Speaker 0:09

Alright guys. Welcome to another a DB podcast. I'm your host, Mitch Lees, and today we're gonna be talking about the 300 cc two stroke hardened Duro Shootout. That we have done in the magazine an issue or two ago, and it is exactly what it sounds like. It's a shootout for 300 cc, two strokes, and the terrain we've set for it is hard and Duro. The loop that we used is actually on my family cattle farm. It's quite mountainous and it backs onto the great dividing range, so we've got lots of kind of hills and gullies and everything else. We had a collection of seven 300 cc, two strokes, and we had, Six testers and we kind of had a bunch of testers that ranged from people like myself and Christian and Graham, who are that Clubman spec, through to the pro guys like Jeff Briggs and Jeff Braco. So it was, we tried to get a mix of everyone in terms of capability. So we get a broad spread of scores. Now, the way these shootouts work is that everyone has to ride every single bike, uh, at least for two laps, um, or at least one lap, and then possibly a second. At the end of every lap you come in and you have to score the bike out of, 10 on a scorecard. And that'll include everything from how the suspension performed to the motor. And we break down all the components into minute details. So you've got, bottom end torque. You've got top end, you've got compression, you've got rebound, you've got the top of the fork, you've got the bottom of the fork. You're feeling, you've got seat comfort. All that kind of stuff is scored. So. Without further ado, I'll introduce the three guys that we had on the test with us, for the 300 cc two Stroke Harding Euro Shootout. And then after that I will, tell you what bike won straight up, so you know which one our 300 cc two Stroke Harding Euro Shootout. Then we're gonna go through each of the bikes and talk about what we liked and what we didn't like as briefly as we can. To give you guys a bit of an idea out there, who's looking to buy one of these steeds and keep in the garage, which, bike might suit you best. So I'll start with you Briggsy. We have Jeff Briggs, Briggsy, you are in your early forties. You race everything from, motocross to Enduro to desert, and I'm still yet to get you out on a hard Enduro race. That'd be a lot of fun. And you've also tested pretty much everything that we can throw at you from adventure bikes to motocross bikes, to, four stroke and Giro two stroking Giro for the last seven, eight years with a DB. Have I left anything out? Briggsy Yeah.

Speaker 2 2:32

Let electric and some trials bikes. So,

Speaker 2:34

uh, that's true. We, you've, you've done a lot of the stark stuff and we have tested those, um, blue, the emo uh, electric trials bikes with and without the clutch, which was fun. So. Yes. Uh, that's brey. Good to, good to have you here, bud. Then we've also got Jeff Braco, he's our Enduro editor. Braco has been testing bikes for a DB since 2008 or oh nine. I think. I, I started on two in, on a DB back in 2009, and Jeff had been there for a year or two before me. So, and Jeff, as you can imagine, has tested. Everything on the planet. And, he is in his late thirties. He, has just put his, under 1-year-old to bed to do this podcast., You're in the same boat as Briggsy where you haven't raced the hard Enduro before, but you've done plenty of, very, very challenging enduros. You've done six days where they're probably doing harder sections than what we had on a hard Enduro shootout. Is there anything I've left out?

Speaker 3 3:25

Uh, not really. I. I'm one of the guys. Look, I enjoy doing hard Enduro, but I don't love trashing my bike. So I'm a bit of a princess with hard Enduro stuff, but I can do it fairly well. Um, I enjoy it, but if it's on someone else's wallet, I enjoy it even more. But yes, if I'm pushing a bike up a hill, it's not as much fun, but thankfully. I was, uh, I was okay at this one.

Speaker 3:53

Yeah, you did pretty good, mate. I mean, considering, uh, you, it wasn't something that you do every day. Um, it was bloody imp impressive to watch you rip around. And we've also got Christian Gibson joining us. Christian's a long time, a DB reader. And I met Christian actually out riding and he's a, um, uh, Harding Juro enthusiast. I would say. He owns a 300 cc two stroke that he set up for Harding Giro. And he has also raced Harding Juro before. Christian, you, I'm gonna say are in your late forties, early fifties. Have I got that right?

Speaker 4 4:24

Uh, there. Thereabouts, mate. Yeah.

Speaker 4:26

Good stuff. And have I left? How long have you been riding for?

Speaker 4 4:30

Um, I started riding when I was 12 years old and then I had a break for a couple of decades and I've been riding the hardest stuff in and around Sydney now for about 12 years.

Speaker 4:40

And you ride, uh, pretty much every week. I am correct.

Speaker 4 4:43

Every week. Yeah.

Speaker 4:44

And how many hours do you have on your Beta 300? Uh,

Speaker 4 4:47

150.

Speaker 4:49

Well, that's not too bad. I think that you, that's a new one though. I remember you, when I first met, you had your older one had, I'm gonna say over 300 hours.

Speaker 4 4:56

Yeah, that's right. Excuse me. A

Speaker 4:58

lot of hours, so that's impressive. Yeah, so Christian has done the time in and amongst the rocks, um, to justify coming on this shootout with us and being able to go back to back on seven bikes. And I probably should say too, it's not easy going back to back on seven bikes, especially when each lap is 15 minutes and you are pushing and pulling and none of these bikes are set up for us. They're set up standard, how they come outta the crate. So it's. Yeah, it's always a bit of a challenge physically to do these things and we only want testers that can survive, um, an entire day of, of testing bikes. I don't know. It sounds like a lot of fun, but it's also a lot of work. Um, alright, so that's our testers guys. We're gonna tell you which bike won our 20 25 300 cc two stroke Hard in Duro Shootout. And that was the beater. It was the Beater X Pro. The 300 X Pro that actually won our hard Enduro shootout. Um, we have another podcast on the 300 cc two Stroke Trail Shootout, which used completely different terrain and some of the manufacturers supplied different bikes Now. Beta decided to supply the X Pro because, uh, they believe it was probably better suited, which I guess they were correct.'cause it won better suited to the hardened Euro terrain with the softer suspension and, um, a little less bling on it to, I guess, like Braco said, drag down the rocks. So knowing that our beta, uh, uh, 300 X Pro was the winner, it is what we declare the best hard Enduro. Uh, mule for 2025. We're not gonna start with that one. Why don't we, why don't I list, I'll list all the bikes that we had, um, at the shootout, and that was the FTIC XE 300. That's the fuel injected Fantic. Uh, they're an Italian bike and they're pretty new to Australia. Um, well, this current model is, anyway, they've been around before, but this current model has been reintroduced after a long hiatus from Australia, there is the beta. RR 300 X Pro. Um, we had the gas, gas EEC 300. We had the KDM 300 EXC champion edition. That's the slightly up spec version of the standard 300 EXC. We had the TM EN N 300 course, so that's the Italian tm. And uh, obviously that thing was a lot of fun. We had that one in the carb model. Um, then we also had the Sheko 300 SE factory. Uh, they have a racing version, which we've also tested, but we got the factory version. Uh, the cat amongst the pig was the Hus Vana TE two 50 Heritage Edition. We did not get a Hus Vanna 300. They couldn't supply us one, and we couldn't get one brand spanking new to te. So they have supplied a Hus Vana. TE two 50 Heritage. So boys, we're gonna start back at the top with the Fantic XE 300, Christian, I'm gonna start with you. Can you remember back, what was your thoughts on the Fantic XE 300?

Speaker 4 7:45

Right off the bat. Um, I just wanna say more broadly, like all the bikes were fantastic and it was an amazing experience that, that, that dirt bike to me, stock suspension, it was probably the best stock suspended dirt bike I've ever ridden. Um, for my style and for the kind of terrain that we were into on that hard and Duro day in that rocky Gully, the creek bed. I found both the fork caption and the shock were just supple. Um, kept the bike planted and gave great front and rear wheel traction.

Speaker 8:15

Yeah. And agreed. And what, and motor wise, where Braco Briggsy, where'd you find the motor on the Fantic? I agree with Christian. I thought the suspension was actually pretty good. It, I thought it would be real firm, but it wasn't. It was pretty subtle. Uh, subtle, I should say. Um, but motor, where did you guys put the motor for a Harding Jro motor.

Speaker 2 8:35

Um, I'll let you go first. Briggsy. Yeah. Cheers. Oh, I just wanna say too, did we ding a bike through this whole test, or, or what? No. Surprisingly no. Ding bike.

Speaker 8:44

We had a couple of bikes get cartwheeled, you might remember, right down into a gully. And we didn't even

Speaker 5 8:48

break a lever. Yeah. So, yeah, I think that's, that was a ring in too, wasn't it?

Speaker 8:53

It was, it wasn't actually a tester, it was someone we needed to ride a bike into a gully for a photo that ended up cartwheeling

Speaker 2 8:59

For me, the fan, um, I found it lacked a little bit of bottom, to be honest, um, compared to with some of the others, especially the. It sort of had that light switch mode, but I did find that the hard Enduro shootout brought all the bikes closer together. So the bikes that I found were worlds apart on the trail days actually coming to their own a little bit more on the hard Enduro side, and the Fantech was one of them for other reasons. Uh, the motor wasn't the best, I'd say it was around the mid pack for me, but it was definitely a good bike and. I think with a bit of tuning, um, and mapping that that motor could be really good in them, them conditions, to be honest. Mm.

Speaker 9:44

And, and Braco, um, I think you mentioned obviously the Fantic has a five speed gearbox for this kind of crawling slow stuff. Is a bigger gearbox more beneficial?'cause it'll have a slightly lower talkier gear, do you think?

Speaker 3 10:00

Um, I think for me the, the fantic was more the, I'm not sure if, I can't quite remember if it was the one that I rated the, the lowest out of the group, just in the Harding stuff, mainly because it felt like it was the one that was, it was obviously the newest to the bunch, so it felt. The most foreign motor wise of the group. Like you could tell, you could tell of the group, which, which manufacturers have invested heavily in that particular type of riding. Um, but the, the fantic for me, the motor, the fantic for me was it wants to be, it wants to be ridden out on a track. They haven't quite got the, the Harding Giro stuff dialed, like the super low end power. Mm-hmm. Um. It's still really nice to ride, like it's super stable and that sort of stuff. But the just a few little things that, you know, that comes with being a brand new, you know, bike into that, into that I suppose category. I guess you could just tell that it was more so that it just needed more time and development. Um, the five ski, five speed gearbox in that stuff. Um, yeah, I mean. Sort of if you have a six speed box, then there's, the gears are shorter, so maybe that might make it a little bit easier.'cause in the extreme stuff, you're only really riding first, second, and third gear. So you know where the KDM or the, or the, the sheko or the beta might sit, you know, first, second, third might be closer together. The gear box on the fantic put have been a bit further apart. So if you were going up a hill change third, change into third from second, that jump could be a little bit bigger than the. Other bikes, which then, you know, in essence could get you in a little bit of trouble. But, um, no, I think the fantic was definitely, you know, it was, it was a solid, awesome bike. But I think yeah, like, just being so new to the, to the situation, you could definitely tell that they just needed a little bit of refining and Yep. Come with time for sure. Um, but it's just a matter of, you know, they've just gotta get the right people involved, you know, whether they start putting'em into the, you know, the hard Enduro series or whatnot, to then. Change around with maps or to lean it off a little bit or just make it a bit cleaner off the bottom. And yeah, I, I thoroughly enjoyed it, but it just, it wasn't as easy to ride through that stuff as the bikes that had been around and. Tried and tested for all these years.

Speaker 12:16

Yeah, I think the general feedback was that it suits the more flowy and open stuff. I know you said that, um, Braco as we, soon as we finished the test and um, and, and you know, it comes with KYB suspension, which is nice. And the motor, um, you know, it was good at the fastest stuff, but. Some of the little things that are gonna hurt it, I guess in the Harding Jo world too is it doesn't come standard with hand guards. I know that's a gr a big issue for some people. Yeah, I think any bike going into the bush braco, we've mentioned this in the past, should come standard with hand guards. So there's a few extra bits you're gonna have to bolt onto it. And that bike is$18,495 plus on roads. So it's certainly at the more expensive end. It's an exotic bike. It's a more expensive end of the 300 cc two strokes and, Yeah, maybe better suited to the faster open stuff. We're gonna move down then to the gas, gas EC 300. Briggsy. What did you think of the, the gasso? It is the more affordable Austrian of the group, and it is what KDM, group, even markets as their kind of, entry level 300, so to speak. If a 300 could be entry level, what was your take on the gassa?

Speaker 2 13:18

Another bike without hand guards, mind you. So that was pretty frustrating, especially with all them thorn bushes

Speaker 3 13:23

I'll pay$20 for gas. Gas to put hand guards. It can't be that much. Seriously. They probably

Speaker 2 13:29

don't even pay that much for'em when they buy 2000 steps or something, so. Totally. Uh, yeah, for me, look. I like the gas. Gas. I found it comfortable. It's the bike you can ride all day, especially the ergos that seats nice and big compared to some of the others. Um, but the motor just doesn't have that KDM tune and I think it lets itself down a little bit like that. Uh, but overall it's a really great bike. It held up well in the stroke, in the fork, and, and the shock was fine. And it, it's, you know, that's still chassy. A lot than the alloy has in that sort of stuff, in my opinion. Just them little nuances where you're going and hit a Yeah. But yeah, I really like gas, gas. As a cheaper auction bike. Um, it definitely didn't excel in the hard Enduro, but it was more than capable, um, in my opinion.

Speaker 14:23

And Christian, you mentioned that it's the best open cartridge fork you've tested. Now it doesn't have the same fork that the KDM and the Hus Vana have. The closed cartridge fork, it still has the open cartridge fork. We think it had significantly improved from the last time we did a 300 CC Hard and Duro Shootout, which is back in 2020. We didn't like the Explore fork back then and we didn't like the TPI I. Why. So what did you like about the gas, gas open cartridge fork for this stuff that we were doing,

Speaker 4 14:52

Mitch, I, I've just found in the past, um. Even at, even at slower speed, sometimes open cartridge, forks just kind of blow through and they're, they can be quite harsh. Um, that fork, I, I'm not sure if it was the, uh, the setting that they put in it, if they've improved it, fantastic. Um, it, it should be plush in that terrain and it was plush. Um, and I thought that helped the bike steer really well. Um, you know, for the kind of stuff that, that I ride regularly. For caption is probably the number one thing, um, in terms of importance to actually, you know, put a smile on your dial and make you get through your day. So I was really impressed with, uh, with the fork action. Uh, same as briggsy. I thought the seat was super comfy, um, and the bike just seemed to. Do everything reasonably well. Um, it probably had less power than the KTM. Definitely. And I, again, I think I mentioned in my notes it it's, was it just a little bit noisier as well? A little bit less refined is the way I'd describe it.

Speaker 15:46

Yeah. You mentioned that it was noisier and it is interesting that, um, we all found it slightly underpowered as good. You mentioned that Christian, compared to the KDM and Hus and the Hus Vana, no, no. 300 cc two truck is really gonna feel underpowered just in comparison to them. So for people out there that think. Well, aren't they just the same bite with the different color plastics? They're actually not everyone. Everything runs a different airbox. They run their own unique, uh, air intake. So, and they have other bits and pieces that change slightly, which does change the power. So that's probably a good point, Christian. Um, it was probably the more tamer of the three Austrian models. Braco. Anything to add to that as our kinda racer out there? I know you, we were doing Harding, and this is specifically for Harding Endure, but as someone at the pro level, how did you find the Gassa?

Speaker 3 16:30

Um. I didn't really, excuse me. I didn't really have any complaints really, apart from the hand guards, to be honest. Like it's the, that particular platform, um, is very, just easy to ride. Um, I would definitely classify it like you could, you could tell that it, it almost felt like, let's say you have two 50 in the 300, 2 50 husk in the 300, the gas, gas almost sort of felt like a two 80 compared to. You know what I mean? Like it sort of just had that little bit of a sluggishness. Um, but again, could that'd just be maybe restricted to the airbox, but yeah, I mean, overall, no, same thing, like super plush and easy to ride and I mean, if you are going out there to just do that sort of stuff. That's what you want to, and a very good option. How much cheaper is it compared to the Husky and the Cato? I know it was a fair bit because it was a Champions edition, but is it much cheaper? Like what's the budget?

Speaker 17:27

Yeah, it is. So it's the, the price we've got on that is 16,565. Now, that might have fluctuated since we've done the test a month or so ago. But that's significantly cheaper. If you're looking at the KDM Champion edition, that's up around 19 and 5,000 and the gas gas is 16 and a half thousand and, and the fantic is, what did I say? 18 and a half. So you're talking a two to three grand difference, which, you know, I know it doesn't come with hand guards and a bash plate, but they don't cost three grand, so,

Speaker 3 17:55

you know. Yeah. So that, that's your, that's what you gotta look at there, right there. It's like a set of hand guides is what, 50 bucks And a good B blade is. You know, I know 200, 300 bucks maybe. So Yeah. For, for your money. Like in this particular one, I mean the other, you know, we other shootouts where the gas, gas is, you know, essentially the budget option, but they're not a stupid amount cheaper compared to, you know, the Cato and the Husky in the stock trim. But in this particular instance, yes, the GATS gas could possibly be. The most, you know, value for money of the bunch, I guess maybe. Yeah. But um, yeah, no, overall like it was just easy to ride. No, no real complaints. And yeah, when you go on second, third gear through the creeks and you just wanna have that good response, like you let go the clutch and good traction and whatnot. I think it comes with Max's tires, so they're not great, but again, you know, that's just their budget option. So

Speaker 18:51

yeah, it is the Maxis Max in Duro Tire and. Yes, it is probably a tire that you might, if you're gonna be doing hard and injury, let's be honest, if you're serious about hard and injury, you're gonna switch to a gummy no matter what bike you buy, brand new. So, um, the top, I've never end on a

Speaker 3 19:05

gummy, so I don't know.

Speaker 19:06

They're good. It's like cheating. Chris Christian and I have spent lots of time on'em, and I, man, I swear by'em in the, in the, in this nasty stuff. Yeah,

Speaker 3 19:14

you got, you guys kept saying that that day, didn't you? Oh, this would be so much better. With a gummy. I've been pretty good with a regular tire.

Speaker 19:20

We had to have some excuse come on.

Speaker 3 19:23

Yeah.

Speaker 2 19:23

Least the front brake work on this one.

Speaker 19:25

Yeah, that's true. The last model we tested back in 20 20 20, oh man. Or 2022, was it? We, we, we nearly died going down some of these similar hills with the front brake on the Gasser, so That's a good point, man. Has it improved? It was. It was solid and it pulled us up and it stopped Nice. Compared to the predecessors. That's a good thing.

Speaker 2 19:42

Yeah, the four, because they had the

Speaker 19:43

old, they had the old breaks.

Speaker 2 19:45

Yeah.

Speaker 19:45

Yeah, they had the old breaks and the old four, the break text. Yep. Yeah, it was scary. Uh, alright, next up we've got the KDM 300 E XE champion edition. Jeff Braco, you wrote this for a, a fair bit for us'cause you did a separate feature on it and, and we got a cover and everything out of it in the pre, uh, in the issue. Before this, um, tell us what'd you think about the 300 e XE champion edition?

Speaker 3 20:09

Um, well, it was the, the coolest looking of the bunch, obviously, you know? Mm-hmm. It's just the way it is. The orange frame always looks trick. Um, I've been a real skeptic of the T-P-I-T-B-I changes since they went to that away from carby. I,'cause, you know, I raced 3 0 2 strokes in many years at, we could just have that thing just. Singing all the time. And um, so I've always been a little bit like, oh, this TPI is not really doing it for me. And the TPIs just not enough sort of thing, but this new, how refined they've got it. The bike that KDM was everything about it was just super, super easy. There was hop on it, comfy, you know, the grip of was awesome for that, that day. Um, the, the, the new forks that they've got in there were. Pretty impressive how they actually went. It was awesome for the trail shoot out, and it was actually really good for the, um, for the harder Giro stuff too. And I mean, yeah. Is it, so it was the most expensive one in the group too, I, I think, is that correct?

Speaker 21:11

It was, yes. Correct.

Speaker 3 21:12

And in all honesty, like yeah, it was. Hop on it and I didn't wanna change nothing about it. Um, I definitely didn't wanna fall over on it and scratch nothing. Yeah. Um, but I mean, yeah, like, it was, it was super nice and for me it was very, very, very close to my top bike. Um, there was only just a couple of little, like, maybe one or two things for me that the beta did better. Um, but the KDM is very, very, very, very close second like. Yeah, I would say like, I think it was, I think when we add up all the scores, it was 0.1 or 0.2, or it was something ridiculous how close these bikes were and. It was, it was an awesome machine for sure. Yeah,

Speaker 21:56

it was close. A very close second. Christian, you also had it in your top three. You, you had the sheko, the beta, and the KDM as splitting hairs for you. And I think, I think, you know, one of the most impressive things is that this bike with the, in the TPI model was hard to tractor and lug and real, really grovel. Whereas the newer TBI version of this bike, you mentioned this as well in your feedback, Christian has improved the bike outta sight compared with the old, uh, version of injection they had. Um, what did you think of the KDM Christian?

Speaker 4 22:25

Yeah, look, I, I, I think, um, just to remember what, uh, Broco said, I think the, the improvement, um, in the finesse of the motor, um, and how close it it is to a carby feel was really impressive. Look, you know, straight off the bat guys, I'm not really KTM guys. I own K tms and. Hus in the past. Um, I'm also a carb guy. I know how to set a carburetor up to get out of it what I need to. Um, so, you know, even, I guess, um, in spite of myself, I found myself enjoying that motor much more than I thought I would. Um, because of how close it felt to a carburetor, it had oodles of power for a, you know, for a, just a, you know, like a weekend more like myself. Um, the fi finish of the bike was second to none. Um, and I found it very easy to ride. Um, it, it had more power than I ever needing that terrain. Certainly, um, an epic front fork and a, a really well modulated front break as well. Just round off what was, you know, a pretty frigging awesome package.

Speaker 23:19

Yeah, it does. It's a good over overall package and I think KDM does that well across their range. They produce a good bike front to back. Briggsy, you mentioned that the bike produces heaps of torque for, uh, TPI and way more than the TPI. Same as what Christian said. Did you notice a significant improvement over the previous TPI models that we've tested?

Speaker 2 23:38

Oh yeah. Night and day. Um, I think for me, you always ride a two stroke and you want that bit of excitement, right? Like that power band feel and that mid where it just starts to really get going. And the previous few years, they just lost that. It was like they were trying to turn a two stroke into a four stroke, and I, I'm not a fan of that. I'm like, I like the characteristics of the two stroke versus a four, the different beaches. And they really refined that feeling back into this bike. Um, it has a closer feel to a car. You would've thought it was a carby if you didn't know any better, in my opinion. Um. It just rode so well. For me, it was the all rounder, um, over the whole weekend for us. Um, I could do anything on it, whether it was the Harding Dro, the Trail, the other stuff, but it just, it was just like Breaker said, an easy bike to ride. It needed nothing. It just, you got on, you didn't have to adjust anything. It had that comfy ergo feel. The grip of seat was a standout, and it just did everything perfectly. Like there was no. Sudden, you know, explosion of the rear shock coming back at you or anything like that. It was just predictable and just comfortable to ride, and I just found it. It was the one that I just got on and I just had fun. I just had fun on that bike.

Speaker 24:59

Yeah. Yeah, you, you can see why Manny Le Ler has been so dominant on it, because it just does everything so well. And, um, they have turned it into quite a good, hard and dro mill compared to what the previous model was. So, and I know they've used some, uh, TSP stuff in previous models and some of'em are using it in this model, but they don't need it as desperately as they did in the old stuff. So that's probably a credit to KDM. It was a battle, it was on the podium in the end, and it was, um, only just missing out on, um, first place. So. Just missed out, but okay. We'll move on to the next bite. That's the tm EN 300 course. So it's the slightly up spec version of the TM EN 300. And, well, Briggsy, we're just chatting. Why don't you talk us through what you thought of the tm. You mentioned that, um, it was in the fastest stuff when we did the 300 cc two stroke trail test. Um, it wasn't great. There were some things you didn't like about it, but you thought it did better in the, uh, in the Harding. Can you remember why, why you thought that?

Speaker 2 25:58

Yes. So for me, the TM had no mid, um, it had a little bit of bottom and then she'd just turn on like a light switch and you were kind of hanging on and she'd break traction and off would go. Which is weird because the day that we tested that, uh, injected version, I found the complete opposite. It was very linear and, and tracked it a lot better, and I thought they kind of let themselves down by not bringing that bike. I think the carby just needs a little bit more refinement. Coming to the Harding Euro stuff, it actually come into its own a bit more and from being probably my least favorite bike on the open stuff to, you know, that just outside that top three to five range. On the Harding, it was above a few other bikes, but probably not my favorite, obviously. Mm. But it's a bike that I think has the potential to be up there, so I really enjoyed it. Um, I did, I liked the look of it. It was a cool looking bike, a little bit different with the gray, which you don't often see in the blue. Mm. Um, the allo frame really stands out and it did, it did everything reasonably well. I wouldn't say it stood out in any areas. Um, but yeah, it definitely. Was easier to ride in the hard rather than the dry slippery trail stuff. For sure.

Speaker 27:12

Yeah. Okay. Interesting. And Christian, you mentioned that you found the suspension a little bit stiff. You were probably one of our lighter testers, um, on the day you're in the, uh, early 80 kilo range, I'm guessing. Um, yeah, yeah. Talk us through, so you found the suspension stiff. Can you remember what it felt like in the Harding Drew stuff?

Speaker 4 27:31

Well, it, it's funny, I, I preferred it like Jeff, I preferred it, um, in hard J compared to, uh, compared to the more open terrain. Mm-hmm. Um, and that's probably because we were doing lower speeds. Uh, once the bike got, uh, up on top out of that gully, um, on, uh, along that straightaway before the creek crossing back up to the cars, um, I, I found it, I found it much, uh, yeah, just a little bit, a little bit harsh, I think like probably halfway through the stroke. But, um, again, I. I found the ergos even on the hard and Giro day. Just difficult to kind of get my head around. All the other bikes are quite similar in terms of reach for levers. You know, fear shifter, I found that bike, it, you kind of had to concentrate on where you're putting your hands and feet, and that's what you don't want, um, in that kind of terrain on your farm each. So yeah, it was, it wasn't one of my favorite bikes in the day. Um, again, it looks amazing and I, and I mentioned that in my notes as well. It, it's just a work of art. The welding's perfect, the frame's just crazy beautiful wheels as well. Um, but yeah, I, I just found it a little bit harder to live with than the other Euro bikes.

Speaker 28:35

The craftsmanship on that Italian bike is, um, second to none. It's very impressive. Um, I think, yeah, it'll be interesting to see where they go with that bike. TM has a lot of history building motorcycles and fast motorcycles and motorcycles that win championships. So they know, they, they know what they're doing. And there are two different versions of this bike and injected in a carb model. And we were testing the, uh, obviously the injected version. Um, so yes, sorry. The carb model, we were testing the carb model and we did prefer the injected version, uh, when we tested it a year earlier. So yeah, it was, I felt the same as you Christian. I did find the suspension was quite firm and I found the engine was a little bit harder to manage than, uh, the other bikes. Um, and some of the bits and pieces on it, some of the ergos were a little bit tricky to get used to. Braco, do you have anything to add to that? Um, some of that feedback.

Speaker 3 29:26

Uh, well first of all, I apologize for the dog that you would've just been hearing. Um, so the, the team, I think we had a, we had a, it was pretty rich. It was running really rich to start with. So we fluffed about with that in the morning of the hard Enduro stuff, and that helped out with the bottom end power. Uh, like the other boys said it, the slower stuff, definitely brought it closer into the group. Um, we still had that little bit of a drama with the clutch surging. Um, that they, they did say to us that they were, you know, fixing it or they were aware of the issue that was going on there. Um, again, that's just something that those, you know, the, the smaller manufacturers that might have to deal with a little bit, but the boy, the mechanics that were there, that they did everything they could to, to make it better. And yeah, it got better. But I mean, there's still a little bit of fiddling around to go, but, um, the tm, I don't know, it just. It seems, I would put it sort of in the same realm as the fantic that it, they build them to, to just be a bit more aggressive and to just be, I don't think they build them to be Harding Duro bikes, essentially. I don't say that in a, a negative way. I just, I think if you are, if you are going down the Harding route, then maybe the, you know, the bonds of TM and the fantic with the firmest suspension of the bunch. I think that sort of. Goes towards more like a, a trail or a race bike versus the hard, you know, hard you don't, you don't want hard suspension'cause it just, you don't need it. You need to go over that. And so, yeah, you would get a bit more deflection from the, from the harder stuff and, um. Yeah, I think it just, the, it's just funny when you, when you ride a tm, you like, the other bikes are very similar, feel sort of now, but the TM still has that little bit of a, a quirky, you know, euro feel. Um, you know, all it needed was a set of higher bars and it would be. Just, you know, the most euro out of all of them, but thankfully put lower bars on it and, uh, yeah, it was cool. I, I definitely enjoyed riding it more in the harder of euro than the, than the trail stuff for sure. I just think it was, it was closer than, uh, closer to the group and, uh, yeah, I mean, overall it was, it was pretty cool. It was, it was nice to have it there because. These manufacturers put their heart and souls into this situation and it was, it was cool to have that bike there. I haven't seen one for a very long time, and it was awesome to have it there for sure. So,

Speaker 31:48

yeah. Yeah, they like Fantic. They are an impressive machine. Probably better suited to trail riding and racing than hard Enduro, but they're very impressive. They've got so many good components on'em. And um. That one's 18,960 plus on road, the TME and 300 course, the price that we've got here. So it is at the more expensive end, but I think, um, yeah, people out there who want that unique and, uh, exotic style of bike, it certainly fits that bill and it is a good thing. We'll go down to the shirt.

Speaker 2 32:17

Can they, can they bring the pink? The pink? Don't forget. Please forget. Don't forget. We need to, we need

32:20

to

Speaker 3 32:20

think. Sorry. We're having a bit of an over. Don't forget. We need to, what was the, what was the guy's name? Was it Jason who owned the bike? Yep. Shout out to Jace for letting us, uh. For letting us ride his bike for two days. He didn't even, uh, yeah, he, it was brand new for him, wasn't it? And we got to ride instead of him. And yeah, I don't think we scratched it or dinged it up. So shout out to Jake. Appreciate it.

Speaker 32:41

Yeah, getting test bikes is very difficult, especially, uh, bikes like tm, they're quite exclusive. So we had to borrow a bike that hadn't been ridden. It was still brand new, but it was a customer's bike who had already actually bought it. So, yes, thanks Jace for letting us ride it. It was a very, it's a very impressive bike. I'm sure you'll be happy with it and especially for what he said he was gonna do, which was mainly trail riding. He's got probably one of the coolest bikes in his riding group, I'd say. Um. Onto the Circo 300 SE factory. Now this bike was again, a top three contender for pretty much all of us between this, the KDM and the beta for the, for the win. And it wasn't much that split it. Um, it was the same case when we tested these bikes a couple of years ago. The Sheko and the beta back then with the two, the top two. Um, Christian, tell us what you thought of the Shiko and why it maybe just got pipped by the beater.

Speaker 4 33:35

I, I loved it. Um, the last 300 she Road was a few years ago. My brother had a 2017. That was, uh, quite an angry bike. Um, this again, oodles of power. Uh, I believe it's got a 38 mil carb, uh, as opposed to the 36 mil carb on the beta. Um, and look that just gives the bike, uh, a monstrous bottom end. Um, you know, I know why guys like Chris Perry and Anthony Soard rather than in the Australian Hard and Injury Championship because, um, if you are stuck down a gully and you wanna get home. Um, I remember coming up the steep hill, uh, out of the creek bed, and I think I was in third gear hanging off the back of the bike. Just feathering the clutch. That bike will climb anything. Um, I love the suspension as well, and that was my favorite clutch, uh, which obviously is pretty important in hard and gyro. Um, I found the clutch super light, but just really well modulated too. The ergos for me, Mitch, um, I don't know. I'm a tall guy. I'm six foot two. I find that bike has a high seat and a low bar. Mm. Um, that's, that's easily, uh, fixable. But yeah, it was, it was very close to the top for me. Um, and again. Pardon all about the bottom man power. Uh, amazing motor.

Speaker 34:42

Yeah. I think that, um, uh, seating position, the rider Triangle, as they call it, um, you're referring to is a hangover from, I, I believe maybe back when Matt Phillips was riding for Sheko and he was doing a lot of bike development for him and that he won a world championship. For them. So they developed the bike essentially around him and Right, yeah. He prefers that more motocross feel, which is the lower Ben bar and the taller seat. So I, I'm the same as you. I'm six foot two. And I did find just with that shape, just, it felt a tiny bit cramped compared to the beater. Um, but was below that motor in that shiko is insane. You feel like you could pull. All the other bikes by a chain up the hill in the same gear that you'd do it without them hanging off the back of the bike. The, um, the bottom end is super impressive and yeah, I like the suspension, the fact that it's firm. I'm a hundred kilos, so firmer suspension suited me too. I struggled to pick a winner between this one and the beater. Um, but, uh, tell us, Braco, what did you think of the sheko? It's got a more racy feel, which might be more up your alley. What, what did you think of the Sheko?

Speaker 3 35:45

Um. I really like the fork, uh, on these bikes. I think it's super plush and manageable, and yet in the trail stuff the day before, um, it felt really racy as well. So I think the, the front end on that bike is very, very versatile. Um, the, I'm all about the low bars. All of em should have low bars, so that's good. Um, yeah, I agree, bro. Yeah. You guys, you hard and Jira guys love your bar rises. Oh, it's whatever. You can have that I'll get saw back every day of the week rather than every bar. My bike. I just how you turn, but. Yeah, I don't have any shoulders, so I can't do it.

Speaker 5 36:28

Good point.

Speaker 3 36:30

Um, no, honestly, the, the KO's come a long way. I, a couple years back I was struggling a little bit'cause it's got an electronic power valve. I think it's the only one of the group that does,

Speaker 36:42

it's, it does, I'm not sure if it's the only one. Uh, I

Speaker 3 36:43

struggled a bit with the, not a hundred percent. Maybe the new UK though. The tm. Yeah. Um, so that the, you sort of,'cause it's, it's kind of funky because it's, it's carb, it, it's a carb bike, but it's electronic power valve. So it's sort of got that old school two stroke feel and snap, but it's a little bit more linear. Whereas the beta is, you know, full carb, you know, old, a bit more old school power valve I think. So it's more responsive. But yeah, the sheko is a, is a good thing. And they've definitely,'cause they used to be a bit more of an animal, so now they've brought. From back and make it more manageable. But, um, ever since they've put in the the KYB stuff, I think. They've really upped their game with just com right. Of comfort. Um, I did, we did lower the rear end a little bit for the hard nur stuff, I think because it was, um, yeah, riding a bit high in the rear end. Um, but I mean, yeah, like the fit and finish of those bikes is, is pretty cool as well. And it's just nice to see that these guys are putting so much emphasis into their two strokes as well and keeping it alive and that sort of stuff. You know, I, I definitely appreciate that and I think the shiko might be the best sounding bike of the bunch. But again, when you do hard and dro, you don't really rev it, so you don't, you don't hear it that much. But, um, yeah, I was again, like crawl brawling outta that last uphill was, was really easy and really simple and, and whatnot. So, uh, yeah. Yeah. Just I'm gonna go shoot that dog. Saddle the dog,

Speaker 4 38:08

right?

Speaker 3 38:11

Oh mate. Didn't you say it has be the best bark. It's, no, I'm about, and now, now you can probably hear my wife yelling in the background too, so that's pretty handy. You know, nine 30 at night in the middle of Sydney, we just screaming at dogs like, you know, good civilized people that we're

Speaker 38:25

good. Well, sorry about that. That's all right. Briggsy, have you got anything to add to the sheko except for the, the loud bark? That's the sheko, not the bot, not the dog.

Speaker 2 38:33

Um, yeah, I actually like the rider triangle, like it felt like a race bike to me. And that's. Kinda what that Chico race model is tailored around. Um, I like sitting up higher on top of the bike and the lower bars feel like you can steer it really easy. Uh, the tires pellis are good choice. They were really good on the base. Oh, yeah. Forgot about that. Yeah, I knew, I knew you'd like that. So, um, but yeah, I, it just, it, the brakes were great. The suspension light breaker said the fork was really nice on that bike. A little bit firmer so I can understand why some guys don't like it. It was kind of the bike that you could push in the hard in injury, I thought, like through the creek bed you could slam them rocks a little bit and jump in and out of the, the, the little holes and it just held up and, mm. The motor itself, it's, yeah, it's something pretty incredible. And even, I know you didn't like that electronic power valve as much breaker, but I actually found it, it was pretty cool that when you flick that switch, it, it did make a difference compared to some of the other bikes. Some of the other bikes had changed their map. We couldn't really feel it. Whereas this one. Went into a full wet weather mode and, and you could really feel the re like it retarded the ignition or whatever it did as well. And, and it made a big difference for just that little bit of extra traction in certain areas. But I, I like it. It's a race bike. I, I wanna try and go fast when I can and. It's, it's a cool thing.

Speaker 39:53

Yeah. I think the, I'm with you. The electronic controlled exhaust valve is exceptional in that chica, and I think it opens just at the right time. And um, yeah, it allows you to have a big difference in the map change. That's kind of cool. And I think, like you said, Christian, the TM I believe has one as well. It's, I probably should have noted way earlier on too, the ftic. Doesn't run a counterbalance. It's the only bike in this group that doesn't, so it vibrates a little bit more than the others as well. So, um, but that shiko is 16,799 is what we've got here, plus on roads. So it's pretty well priced. It's not the cheapest, but it's in the. Cheaper end of that category of bikes that we've already read out so far. So you're getting a lot of value for money with, um, a lot of fancy shiny parts.'cause it is the factory version and the KYB suspension and hand guards for all that, which is key.

Speaker 3 40:38

So,

Speaker 40:39

so how, how, I think it comes with

Speaker 3 40:41

a, comes with the exhaust system as well too, doesn't it? It does.

Speaker 2 40:45

Like that's pretty comparable price to gas. Gas even, isn't it?

Speaker 40:48

Yeah. So the gas, not much.

Speaker 2 40:49

Not much more.

Speaker 40:50

Yeah. The gas gas came in at 16,000 506 5, so what's it$200 or more than than a gas, gas guy for money. Super guy. Yeah,

Speaker 3 40:57

I'd pick the, you'd pick the, she wouldn't you? Yeah,

Speaker 40:59

it is, it'd be hard to go past that. Yeah. It's good value for money. Sheko have always kind of had that with their factory version and, and in fact, the racing version, which we were testing the other week too. It's, um, it's another two grand less there again, so, oh my God. Yeah. So the, and the racing version still runs a KYB fork off the top of my head. Just not the same spec as in the factory, but everything else is largely the same. So, um, you know, that's the sheko have a really good value for money bike. I'm with you on that one. Yeah.

Speaker 2 41:26

For the motor felt real similar on that racing one, so Yeah. That's impressive. I did.

Speaker 41:31

Uh, all right, second to last bike. We're gonna move on to the Hus Vanna TE two 50. Heritage. The Heritage is just a graphics kit you get with it. That looks pretty cool, but it was the only two 50 of the group. So Braco, we may as well start with you mate. Hop on on a two 50 compared to all the three hundreds, what did you think? And can it keep up?

Speaker 3 41:50

Yeah, for sure. The, the biggest thing that you can notice straight away is, as ridiculous as it sounds, being 50 cc less, it actually just like the, just tipping left to right. Um, when you, when the motor's running, it feels so different to the other bikes. It just feels a bit more like a, more like a mountain bike, um, in that respect. Like it, there's just a different inertia and yeah, it, you can just feel it and it feels lighter. Um. It doesn't push into the rocks as much. Um, but then it's still, the motor was still very, very impressive, but how much you could lug it, um, and then. I think, I think, yeah, the new graphics is kind of cool. I think we destroyed, like, not destroyed the plastics, but they were, they got stuffed up pretty quick. That kind of bit devastating for such a cool looking bike. Um, but I mean, yeah, like overall, the, the biggest takeaway for the two 50 is the, the, the inertia that the left, the lack of inertia compared to the, the 300 just makes the bike that much easier to just throw around. And I, you do a couple of those little flick turns or you wheelie up something and it's a bit easier to just. You know, left to right. Um, and again, feels awesome. The ergos are really nice. Pork's good. Shock's Good. And yeah, it was, I was expecting more of a, I think I was expecting more of a gap between two 50 and 300, and it was. It was pretty damn close.

Speaker 43:12

Yeah. So yeah, I think if you change the stickers and you didn't tell anyone, a lot of people would struggle to even notice. Um, briggsy you mentioned, what, what do you think of the motor? Is the motor close enough to the 300 that you could ride it in hard Enduro at our level and be able to get along just as good. Yeah, for sure. Like

Speaker 2 43:30

the, the motor itself was probably a surprise package being a two 50, but like it did lack that little bit of bottom, but it wasn't to the point where it was the worst bike outta the bunch. So. Was the crazy thing for me. And that you say we didn't snap a lever, but I did actually snap a lever on this one the day before. Oh, we did the day before. That's right. Trying to bar drag. So yeah, I trying to keep up with Braco. Had a bit of a doozy. But yeah, I really liked it. And it is funny, like you can, like Braco said that it does lack that little bit of inertia, which is really funny. It kind of feels like a 1, 2, 5 at times. Um, just that bit more playful. Really light, but it's a great all around bike. I've really enjoyed the Husky actually. It, it was a surprise pick of the bunch for me. Just really fun to get on.

Speaker 44:20

Yeah. Christian, you said the same thing. You said it for your level. Um, it didn't actually lack any bottom end at all, and it was one of your favorite bikes. Did you, you could ride that two 50 in the hard Enduro stuff without complaining?

Speaker 4 44:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. Mitch, at my level, um, I guess at my weight as well. Um, you know, we all think we're probably, um, well, not not all of us, um, present company, you know, accepted. Uh, you, you probably think sometimes you ride at a higher level than you really do. Um, obviously the two Jess excluded, and you two Mitch. But for me, um, at my level, let's put it this way, if all those bikes were lined up at the top, um, in the paddock and someone said, you've gotta go and do, uh, you know, an hour plus one lap of that loop, um, I'd probably jump on that bike just so I could actually preserve a bit of energy. I found it really manageable. And again, I thought the chassis, the motor, and the suspension package worked really well at, at lower speeds. Um, I also remember standing up, um, having a drink and I, I think I peeked over the hill and I, I can't remember which Jeff it was, but I remember someone ran that bike on, um, on that flat section heading back to the paddock and it sounded incredible. It sounded like a two 50 should do. Um, so yeah, look it, for me, it was the best of both worlds. Um, I found it power manageable, but it was a lot of fun when, when you wound the on.

Speaker 45:35

Definitely. Um, alright guys, that brings us to our last bike, the Beta 300 X Pro, and that is our winning bike. Like I said earlier, it is the bike, the one hour, 300 cc, hard and Giro Shootout. It was the bike we believe is the best for everyone to ride in hard and Giro, but only by Bes dick over the KM and the Sheko. So, Christian, as someone who has spent a fair bit of time on beaters, how does this latest X Pro version go to other beaters you've ridden and compared to the rest of the field?

Speaker 4 46:04

I actually, um, again, I would probably prefer to ride that bike as opposed to the RR 300 race and that kind of terrain. Um, I found a suspension. Uh, the settings, uh, the valving was front and back. Uh, the shock actually felt, um, you know, and remember it's not, it's not, um, KYBI found the shock, um, gave great rear traction. Um, the motor had just kind of goldilocks the right amount of power in all those situations. It's got a slightly smaller frame if I'm, if I'm correct in saying that compared to the other bikes. Um, so a bit more manageable doing pivot turns. Um, I, I love the handlebar and bend on that bike. Nissan and Brakes hard to go past as well. Um, the seat thank God, has got a bit more padding than previous be seats. Um, it steers nice and quick. Um, and again, it's just a bike that you can, you can really, I found myself, um, even though I've never ridden an X Pro, I found myself gelling with it really, really quickly in that harder to terrain.

Speaker 46:59

Yeah. And you said the jetting was as close to perfect as possible? Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 47:02

Sorry, I, I gotta mention that, that bike out of the box, um, Vic Martin had that thing set up. You know, the, the head mechanic from Beta Australia, it was jet to absolute perfection. Um, no ing, no bogging. And then again, um, the top end was just stinging, stinging 300 top end. I really enjoyed writing it. I loved it. Mm,

Speaker 47:19

cool. Um, braco, you, what do you think of the ex pro that we, we had ridden the, uh, race the day before in our 302 stroke trail shootout? What do you think of the X Pro, especially in the Harding Dro stuff?

Speaker 3 47:33

Uh, yeah, so the, the day before we rode the race one, as you said, and it's uh, it's different actually. It's got twin spark motor and that sort of stuff. So we hopped off that bike and we were all sort of like, man, this thing's a fire course. Vic, he's always, as Christian said, Vic's, Vic's always got the bikes like spot on. And, um, that 300 beta motor platform is, is the, it's the old school feel of the group. Um, and I love that. Like I, I really like the, just something about a perfectly jetted two straight 300 is just. Two 50, either one, whatever. But it's, um, amen. Something about it just being so jetted, just so perfectly jetted just makes the ride that much more enjoyable knowing that you have that, you know, you dump a clutch and you can just go up that hill and just pop the clutch and jump, essentially jump the log. Like you just, it didn't matter. Um, the bike's 20 mil lower as well than all the other bikes. And that was, I think that was one of the things that got me over the line for the top, the top spot in that particular thing. You do dab your feet a lot and um, yeah, yeah. I just, I noticed that the forks, the forks for me, like I wouldn't, that's not what I want out of a, out of a set of forks doing a trail thing. But for extreme, I was all about it. I was like, oh wow, these are super, super plush and going over the rocks and through the creek bed. It was, it was staying nice and straight. Um, and yeah, I just having it, I think the. So responsive and so strong, yet so manageable. That was. That was, yeah, that was a big thing for me. I just, yeah, it was really easy to ride. Like it was really skinny. And again, like boy said, they finally put some time on the seat because that was one of the biggest things that you just, for some reason just get off a beatta with a sore ass. And it's just never a, it's not because you've been, it's not, it's because you've been sitting on the frigging subframe. Um, you know, so that was, that was, that was a refreshing feel as well. And, um, yeah, full credit to actually. Doing the separate, you know, the separate edition really. It's essentially what KDM do with the gas, gas and KDM KY sort of thing. But I mean, they've actually, they've nailed it because they've got, they've got everything they need to, but it's just lower spec. But it's still very productive and still very logical with what they've done because, you know, comes with hand guards, comes with dash blade, you know, oh yeah, if you wanna ride this bike here, it's 20 more lower for this reason. And there's, there's reasons behind everything they've done. And it works, you know, like in that particular terrain it was, yeah, it was just the, the bike that you were like, okay, that was, I got around that loop really easy. I got around that loop really simply. Um, and just, yeah, it felt really comfortable and really safe on the bike. So I was, I was happy to put that as, as my top bike. And. Just instantly going down that first gnarly steep hill and then doing that pivot turn into the creek. I was like, wow. It's like it had a sharper turning circle than the other bikes and just turned in there, rode across it, no problem. And yeah, stood up and it, it was again just. Super easy to ride. So I was, I was very impressed with it.

Speaker 50:42

Yeah. Cool. Um, Briggsy, you wrap it up for us. What do you think of the Beta X Pro you, uh, mentioned as well that, uh, you loved how well it crawled up. All the hard stuff had that real, real talky bottom end.

Speaker 2 50:55

Yeah, a hundred percent. I, to be honest, I actually think the seat height was the winner for it.

Speaker 5 51:00

Yeah.

Speaker 2 51:00

Um, really everyone seemed to enjoy that part of it in that terrain. Um, and a shout out to beta too, like. We've gone from having one 300, they've got 4, 302 strokes in the range, which is pretty impressive when you includes the X Trainer and then the rx, which is the motocross version. Um, so they've really refined it. It's a pretty decent bike. And I'm not sure, was this one twin Spark by? No, it's not. No. Okay. Well that's even X PRO is just the stock

Speaker 3 51:29

one. Yeah.

Speaker 2 51:30

Yeah.'cause it, it felt every bit as strong as the rr like the race one. So, um, I was really impressed with it. The fork was really flash. The, the ergos are great on the beat. You do sit up a bit more on top of it, like the sheko, but this one didn't feel kind of like that. Being the lower height and the softer C you kind of sat in it a little more. Mm-hmm. Um, but it did, it just did everything great. The motor, the motor is the standout. Um, between that and the sheko, I think it's hard to pick a winner for me. Um, they both have really good characteristics in all aspects of what we're riding and. Yeah, they're, they're epic bikes. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 52:10

Yeah. Well, and at$15,720 plus on roads, it's excellent value. Especially, I think that probably helped to get the wind too. I think the low seat height, the toy crawly motor and$15,720 plus on roads is pretty, pretty good value. And that was hard for us to go past, even though it didn't have hand guards. That's a big one. Um, like Braco said, they're 50 bucks, so it's not hard to throw a bit of money at at the bike to put a set of hand guards on it. Um, so that's a wrap guys. Thanks Heap for your time tonight and to wrap up the entire 300 cc two stroke Harding Euro Shootout. We will at some stage get round to doing a podcast on the 300 CC Trail shootout where we tested all these bikes and some different versions of them in some fast terrain. So guys out there who don't wanna do anything like the Harding Dro, but do want a 302 stroke for trail riding and racing. Make sure you tune in when we get a chance to do that podcast as we tested all these bikes back to back in that. Con situation, but for now, that's a wrap on our 300 cc two stroke Harding Euro Shootout. Congratulations, Beatta and the Ex Pro. That was the winner only just over the ca and the Sheko that also landed on the podium. And for the other bikes that were in this group, they're also, like Braco said, so impressive compared to what we were riding 10 years ago. There really isn't a bad bike, uh, amongst them. And every one of those bikes will suit someone in some sort and sort of terrain. So. Uh, stay tuned as we come back to you with the 300 cc two stroke trail sheet, but for now, that's buy from us.