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NFL - Week Two and Other Stories
Steve and Justin celebrate their growing audience across platforms and discuss how their viewership has expanded from a handful of live viewers to hundreds of subscribers.
• Discussing MLB umpire controversies and how officials are increasingly injecting themselves into games
• Analyzing the NFL's "tush push" play and inconsistent rule enforcement around it
• Examining the crisis in offensive line play across the NFL and its impact on quarterback injuries
• Debating how teams like the Jets and Giants fail to build proper foundations while expecting quarterback success
• Highlighting surprising 2-0 teams like Indianapolis and Arizona
• Exploring Joe Burrow's turf toe injury and its potential long-term implications
• Discussing Dallas signing Jadeveon Clowney after defensive struggles
• Analyzing the shift from pay-per-view to subscription models in combat sports
• Previewing Week 3 NFL matchups and their implications
• Paying tribute to NHL legend Eddie Giacomin who recently passed away
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Hello everybody and welcome back to Sports Live with Steve and Justin. How are you, justin? I'm good. Steve. How are you? I'm good. There we go. I needed to push a button. We're there on the side, but we're not there in full when I don't bring back the intro. So we've had quite a week, I have to tell you. I mean, we went from having a couple of subscribers on YouTube to having a couple of hundred subscribers on YouTube.
Speaker 2:Fantastic. Thanks to all those for joining us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you. And then also we are now on my Facebook page Broadcasting Live as well, as we're on X. Those don't have dedicated accounts yet with the name of the program, but we are out there. X does something interesting they don't allow you to. They allow you to schedule a live, but they don't allow you to tell anybody about it. So when you go live, it becomes live.
Speaker 2:Interesting. That's nice that we had some growth. Yeah, I would like to say thank you to you for having me on these past few weeks. I got a lot of positive feedback from friends who are encouraging both of us to keep going because they're enjoying it, so it's nice to hear that.
Speaker 1:Well, that's good. Well, most of our views and I think last time we had a few live, but a handful most of our views are after the fact, a handful Most of our views are after the fact. And to say so, I ask everybody to like and subscribe. Whether you're listening to us live, whether you see the recording after the fact on YouTube, or whether you see us or hear us on the recordings, we're all on. Audio version of the podcasts are on every streaming service. So you know Apple, spotify, all the little ones, Amazon. We do them all. The only thing we're not on is iHeart. For some reason I chose not to do it and I apologize to the iHeart people but I will. So that's been good. So keep going, like and subscribe. Maybe we could do a little advertising or something.
Speaker 1:And before we get into football and I know we have a lot to say about football I did want to mention something I mentioned to you. I mean just a few minutes ago, when we came on, I was watching the Met game on Friday night and this is probably a lead-in to officiating everywhere and I have a pet peeve, and I know we've never talked about it or spoke about it. My pet peeve is umpires, especially in baseball, and it was way more prevalent, way more prevalent when umpires were when there were two separate unions for both leagues. I think it was way more prevalent. And I think that umpires put themselves in the game. They decide they're going to take some action about something. I mean to me umpires should be seen and not heard, I mean other than making decisions, but they shouldn't go out of their way to put themselves in a game.
Speaker 1:And I thought that's what happened Friday night and I was watching the Mets game and there was who was up, what was his name, against the Tetris Ragers and DeGrom was pitching and we all know he's the former Mets player and McNeil was at bat and it was a full count. There was a fastball at the bottom of the strike zone from DeGrom that I think it was low. Yes, I thought it was low, but the umpire called it strike DeGrom and it happened very quickly. After being called out, whose name is Scott Barry ejected him.
Speaker 2:Threw his bat, slammed his helmet and just got the hook and got to her.
Speaker 1:Now, this is the first ejection of McNeil's entire career yeah, the first ejection of McNeil's entire career. And it seemed to be that the umpire. And it seemed to me while watching the game and I'm not talking about what I read afterwards that umpires routinely some umpires anyway routinely get involved in what's going on and I don't go for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's definitely taken on. You know, a new face. You know, for such a long time we had to suffer with Angel Hernandez in baseball games and the guy was such a diva and clearly he was, you know, injecting himself into baseball games and having an effect on the outcome of games and Major League Baseball ignored it. For a very long time he sued Major League Baseball. But in this particular case, a couple things. Mcneil, as far as I know, is a really good ballplayer. He's a wonderful teammate, he's well-liked. He's not that guy right Like, he's not a diva, he's not-liked. He's not that guy right Like, he's not a diva, he's not a guy that's going to show up the umpire. You have to allow for baseball players I mean, this is their livelihood to be frustrated and disagree with a call.
Speaker 1:And they were losing and they were frustrated because they looked like.
Speaker 2:Well, they were losing that game 6-0 before DeGrom even took them out Right. So I imagine his frustration was probably already at a peak level. If not, I agree, and it's funny because on plays that are reviewable you never see anybody get ejected from a game, arguing they were safer out. It's always the home plate umpire and balls and strikes. I know, know they changed the rule. You're not allowed to argue balls and strikes. They're just asking for you know trouble and they're giving umpires a reason to inject themselves into the game where they just shouldn't have that ability. If you know it becomes abusive obviously if you bump, a touch or touch or spit on an umpire. That's unacceptable.
Speaker 2:When I was growing up I had some really smart, awesome baseball coaches and I was fortunate to play for a few guys that I really love. Charlie Leitze was my varsity baseball coach. He was a teacher in the school system for many years. I've known him since I'm five years old. He taught us how to argue balls and strikes without saying a word. If you thought the ball was outside, just draw a line in the dirt and get back in the box and that'll let the umpire know that you disagree with the call and you're just adjusting your strike zone. Or, if it's inside, draw a line in the dirt, step back off the plate, get back in the box. I saw a baseball player do that a few years back in the minors and the guy got ejected. And I thought to myself if you can't even do it without saying a word, are you going to get ejected? The umpire lost his mind, took off his mask. You're not drawing a line, not my game. You get out of here. Draw a line, get the hell out of here. And I just thought to myself what recourse do you have to contest something that you think is wrong, because it's a mental game too? You're going to let the umpire know I'm not happy with that call you better smarten up. And even managers, can't you know their hands are tied. As soon as you start arguing, you're out. A few years back with Brett Gardner, he got called out. He went back to the dugout and he was pounding the bat into the roof of the dugout and they threw him out.
Speaker 2:And I thought to myself this is really unfair. I mean, there's no. You know, as an umpire you have to be. You know you can't take sides. You're taking sides. You need to be objective and ignore that stuff. You have to be above it. I thought that I think it was a Snickers commercial where the guy was watching TV and his wife was screaming at him. And then they or the first he was. He's an umpire and he's taken and yelling and screaming from the managers and he's just sitting there and then all of a sudden it's still him but his wife is screaming in his ear and he's just ignoring her. I thought that was. I thought that was hysterical, but it was. That's how umpires should be. Just ignore it.
Speaker 1:Walk away, unless it gets physical or personal Walk away.
Speaker 2:Turn around, walk away, right, you know. If the verbiage or the language is abusive and it's you know too much, all right, then maybe the guy needs to get thrown out so it doesn't happen again. So it's in his mind. But you know, throwing the bat, slamming the helmet out of frustration, you got to let that go. You can't jump on that.
Speaker 1:I agree, agree 100%. That's a little bit of a fade into some of the officiating going on in the nfl. I think we saw a lot of. We saw you know something I have a pet peeve for, that I don't really like and that's the tush push whatever what I don't even like the name. I think if they gave it a different name maybe I'd like it a little more, but but I don't like the idea of somehow.
Speaker 1:You should just call it a quarterback sneak Right Of somehow aiming a quarterback and pushing him through. I mean it's all going to be legal until somebody you know shoots their eye out. Somebody gets really hurt.
Speaker 2:Well, it'll change if somebody loses a game that they don't want to have, lose an important game. But right now you know the eagles and the chiefs and whoever else, darlings of football, and it's not going to change I mean.
Speaker 1:So there were two of these plays and you could clearly see when they went on as the offensive guards together leap forward to block before the Bulls hiked in both plays. As you're looking at this happen, you can see the official on the sideline watching what you're watching from the other side and they're letting it go on.
Speaker 2:They're paid to watch for that and they still don't get it, which calls into question a whole other Both guards both times and it makes me believe they're being trained to do that by whoever in their team.
Speaker 1:And I also think I also think that we all know it went to the rules committee or the competition committee or whatever the heck. They talked about it and they chose not to make it illegal. The Tush put.
Speaker 2:Apparently it was a big debate among the owners.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And it was not. It was heavily contested by a couple of owners.
Speaker 1:And in the end result is that nothing happened and they didn't change anything. And that's the way it is. Part of me believes that this is the officials reacting to something they wanted changed. So they're letting these offsides go on until it comes to a point almost like they're forcing the owner's hand. Where it has to be legislated. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's interesting. I don't necessarily have a problem with the play. I haven't heard an argument against it that I would stop and say that's a good point. They shouldn't do that.
Speaker 2:The difference between, I guess, the tush-push and a quarterback sneak is that when it's a quarterback sneak you don't know it's coming. You may think it's coming, but this they're lined up in that formation, everybody's tight. I don't know that it's any different than handing off to a fullback or running back and having the setback push him through the line of scrimmage. Some guys are more equipped to do the push than others. Even you know, if you look at Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts, so this is probably the two biggest offenders in this case. Josh Allen's really tall, so he kind of handles it differently. He can go above his linemen to reach across to get that marker, whereas Jalen Hurts seems to have to sneak in through the tackles or behind somebody and he uses that push a little more to his advantage, I would think.
Speaker 2:But I clearly remember there being a rule where you could not push somebody from behind to gain yardage or climb over or climb over anyone. So you know, it's probably something that they might have to look at more. You know me, I'm a traditionalist. I'm not for rule changes. I think we saw enough result from that this weekend with some of the rule changes. But you know this one is it's not going anywhere for now and you have to wonder where it's headed.
Speaker 1:It's funny because you can't climb up on somebody or push someone to block a field goal, right, right.
Speaker 2:But which we saw. We saw in the Denver and the Colts game last night.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we did, that was that was pretty, it's.
Speaker 2:It's remarkable because you know, it is a rule I. I tend to agree with that rule. I mean I wasn't very good at long snapping but I did play center and I can understand, especially in the nfl, wanting to protect the center, especially the long snap excuse me, specifically the long snapper from sustaining any sort of terrible injury, because they start out in a terrible position. Their head is down, they're not even looking forward, they're looking through their legs, kind of thing. So they took the player off the center. You're still allowed to rush, but you're not allowed to line up directly over the center. What's happening is these guys are crashing down on the center before you can get back up and they're leveraging him for somebody else to either jump over the Giants did it a couple years ago and it wasn't called. So they haven't perfected the rule or they just haven't enforced or educated the referees enough to enforce it correctly, because once you start enforcing something correctly, they stop doing it.
Speaker 2:But it also has enabled kickers to kick 60-plus-yard field goals like they're nothing. You know, 40 and 50-yard field goals now are tip shots for these guys because the kickers don't have the timing is different, right, they don't have to rush the kick. They probably get close to half a second more, which is an eternity for a kicker not to have to rush his kick, and that makes a huge difference. They can blast off from 60 yards, so I'm assuming it's increased scoring. Perhaps it's certainly changed the complexion of these games, especially at the end. You know we saw it last night with the late game. What was it? Minnesota and Atlanta when they let them score. I mean, I know field goals weren't a part of it, but knowing that you have that in your arsenal, it changes the way they coach the game for sure. I think we're going to see a 70-yard field goal at some point this season.
Speaker 1:I mean. What I found interesting in last night's game, since you brought it up, is you can't decide if which is rampant throughout all the NFL, except for a few teams. You can't decide whether the offensive line is so bad that you can't believe it or are the defenses that good. In that game it may have been a combination of both, but the offensive line I mean Minnesota's offensive line there's no way your quarterback survives being sacked five or six times.
Speaker 2:These guys are. Yeah, I mean, it only takes one shot and you know JJ's out now, two to four weeks after last night. He got hammered right he, he took, I think he got sacked seven or eight times last night. I mean, it was it just, they just kept coming ridiculous and yeah, and there was a few times that phoenix got got dropped and it looked like a jailbreak and you know that, know that I think.
Speaker 1:I think there was something like 11 sacks all the way around. I believe that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a lot of sacks for a game. If you like defense, it's great. I just like guys that make plays, so I like it one way or the other, except when it happens, obviously, to your team. You know it's a lack of. You know I don't want to say there's a lack of talent in the NFL, but you can't rotate in offensive linemen the same way you rotate in and out defensive linemen. There's just no continuity if you do that.
Speaker 2:And in the NFL I think they have a problem and I think it's been a problem for quite some time where offensive linemen are like the first ones, cut from the roster to save money. You can go back to the Jets we talked about it, I think, on our first podcast when they couldn't afford, or they said they couldn't afford, to pay to break a shot, Ferguson and Nick Mangold, and they both retired. Now that was a personal choice for them, but they wanted more money to come back and I think the NFL has to address that, because offensive linemen are just a different breed altogether. They're not skilled guys that are going to run and score touchdowns and make plays and all that, and it's kind of the unattractive or unsexy part of the game for the secondary and tertiary markets that are watching for football guys, we love seeing that stuff. We love terms like hog molly right.
Speaker 1:And what about Kelsey's brother? I forget his first name off the top of my head, but I mean he. He became famous when he stopped playing. Yeah, Jason, Kelsey and he, he would have became famous. Forget about his brother and his girlfriend and all that stuff. Jason would have became famous without his brother. Oh, absolutely. He came in and he let his hair down and he started doing things and everybody loves a big lineman doing stupid stuff. Everybody loves it.
Speaker 2:Big lineman doing anything. If they have personality and character, it just makes them lovable.
Speaker 1:He has better personality than his brother and he was a Hall of Fame player. I believe he is. And you have to say to yourself how do you not know about this guy? How do you not? I mean, listen, you pay a lot. Listen, I hate the Eagles, right, I apologize to Eagle fans out there, but I'm a Giants fan. We have to hate the Eagles.
Speaker 1:I remember the first time I went down there, the first time I went to Philadelphia and to see the Rolling Stones, when I was a kid, like 16 or 17 years old, and we're throwing a football out on the stands and the kid yells to me to show my age hey, jaworsorski, throw it over here. And we went. What we went, what? Who you talking about? Jaworski? We, like you know we got into a whole thing with these guys because you know we were Giants fan, yeah, and friendly, banter friend, like what Jaworski. And I met Jaworski years later. He was a very nice guy. The thing I remember about Jaworski and I don't want to get sidetracked is all the videos of him saying watch this. He goes up to get the ball when they're playing the Giants and he's looking around to see where Lawrence Taylor is. And you see his head pivoting around looking for Lawrence Taylor, because Lawrence always had his number.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I think he sacked Jaworski more than anybody else, anybody else.
Speaker 1:I remember there's the one video he goes son you got to. He gets up and goes son, you better start thinking about something else and walks away. Something to that effect. I may be paraphrasing a little bit, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean that has it's relevant to what we're talking about with offensive linemen, because Lawrence Taylor changed the game and made left tackle probably the most important position on the field. Because you're protecting the franchise and you know you can see it every weekend. The teams that struggle are struggling primarily because their offensive line play is not good. And you know, I remember a few years no, it's more than a few years, it's got to be 20, 25 years ago when I remember the Jets were going into Seattle and Seattle got rid of all five of their offensive linemen and brought in like three guys from Grand Union that were stuffing paper bags and they completely changed their entire offense and of course they beat the Jets with five nobodies on the offensive line.
Speaker 2:But that's a problem in the NFL, because you want your offenses to run efficiently and you want scoring right. You want the quarterbacks to be protected and safe. That's why you're inventing all these penalties to keep guys off of them. So you know there's a little. I think there's one more thing they could do to protect quarterbacks. But as far as offensive linemen go, there has to be some sort of allowance to pay offensive linemen to keep them, because you need the continuity and the structure to run your offense. And I know you know injuries are part of the game and contracts and all that, it's all part of it. But the product is suffering. You know you want to expand from 32 to 40 T. Whatever they're they're they got their eyes on. Where are you going to find these guys? Right?
Speaker 2:I just you know they're they're a different breed of human being altogether, that they don't grow on trees and they get hurt a lot. And they get hurt a lot and they are sustaining injuries and so on and so forth. So you know you want to protect the good ones so that they can protect the quarterbacks. You know, I know paying a guy more money isn't going to keep him from getting injured. But tell me a guy like Elijah Vera Tucker, who can't stay healthy Once he leaves the Jets, he's probably going to get a decent contract somewhere. Maybe he gets a one-year deal and he stays healthy and then he gets a huge-year deal and he stays healthy and then he gets a a huge deal if he plays well. Guy, even the guys that get injured are still sought after if they're good, as opposed to some guy who's never been injured but he can't play or he's just a warm body or maybe he's less talented or he's not strong enough or he's not tall enough or big enough or whatever. But like you said, they're a different breed and you know the NFL has to address that because it can't just be. We're going to get to the point where it's two hand touch and you don't want that and you don't want to see the product suffer and they have to find a way to.
Speaker 2:You know, gear up and protect offensive linemen, cause that's that's where these games are won and lost and that's how you make your money. And just, you don't want to see, you know, five sacks in a game, six, 10 sacks in a game, five on each side. Whatever you know, if defenses are good, they're good. If somebody is getting beat, fine, the coaching staff found something and they're blitzing them from all over the place and the coach can't figure it out, that's on them. But if your offensive line is going out week after week and just getting annihilated and shredded and there's nothing you can do, and you can't run with a fullback or you can't use a tight end of chip or you can't, they can't sustain play like that, they just can't.
Speaker 1:I agree. I mean, look at what happened to what happened to Kansas City in the Super Bowl. I mean first of all, Philadelphia's defense was all on the money that day.
Speaker 2:Well, it's case in point, right, philly is. I think they're the ones that had started this rotation of defense. The Giants did it too, I think, back when they were winning Super Bowls. They rotate these guys in and out on the defensive line. They have seven or eight guys in the hopper and they rotate them in and out three at a time so that they're fresh, so that they can catch their breath, they can make big plays on big downs. You can't do that with an offensive lineman, you just can't.
Speaker 2:It shows, and kudos to the defensive teams and the defensive coordinators who know how to rotate these guys in and out well, you could say well, justin, you know, if you run a offense with no huddle, you just get right back up and they're not going to be able to make these switches, but that's. You can only sustain that for so long. You can't really do that all game strangely.
Speaker 1:Strangely enough, the defensive coordinator of Kansas City used to be the defensive coordinator for the Giants. Of course they're doing that, but they put and listen. There's injuries but, as you're saying, there are no backups. If you saw the game last night which you did because I was with you there were times they were saying this is like the third string offensive lineman they put in. They were saying that this guy was on the practice squad a week ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, and this is what they find that they're going to come after you. You know they always come after you. Once they see any they're going to come after you.
Speaker 1:They always come after you once they see any weakness whatsoever of course, and that's good coaching.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's what you have to do, that's right, that's what it's for, yeah, but it's hard to believe that these teams are deep enough.
Speaker 1:But they need to be deeper in the offensive line. If they're going to spend all this money on quarterbacks, they've got to protect them, and if the NFL is not going to protect them, they're not going to make rules. What are they going to make? Rules that you can't hit them anymore? I mean, what's next?
Speaker 2:We're going to see that eventually Going to have red shirt, red shirt.
Speaker 1:Red shirt quarterbacks. Anybody who would wear a red shirt can't be touched.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Got the red penny on. I don't think the NFL is going to expand rosters. Owners don't want to pay as it is. They're not going to pay six or eight more guys. They're not going to expand the roster to 55, 58, 60. It's just not going to happen. And if they did, they wouldn't be doing it to go get more offensive linemen. They'd be getting, you know, three more wide receivers and two more backs and a special teams guy. I mean it would go to the skilled positions.
Speaker 1:Right, they'd hire some old wide receiver that could go out there two times and break on a post, and if you have a quarterback and hit them, they get a touchdown. What do they need to worry about anything else except their quarterbacks getting pounded into existence?
Speaker 2:I think one of the things they could do to protect the quarterbacks is allow them to throw the football away without having to get outside the tackle box.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:I think they've over-legislated that and it's kind of unnatural to the game. You want to protect the court? Just let him throw it in the dirt. Just let him throw it away. Just let him throw it out of bounds. Throw it in the dirt, throw here. Anything can happen. He might throw it to somebody who runs it back for six, you know right but this idea that I mean.
Speaker 2:Look at patrick mahomes right, he holds the ball long sometimes but he's got the ability to use his legs to find an open receiver or somebody gets open because he can run. But there's a lot of times when he's inside that tackle box and he has to make an extraordinary athletic play to get rid of the football, even if he's thrown it away. Right, and the whole idea of oh, he was in the grasp of the defender, okay, but it was still a smart play to get rid of the ball. Why is that a problem? Excruciatingly frustrating for the defender. But I don't think if he's in the pocket and he sees the pocket collapsing, he should be able to get rid of the ball. Now, maybe the argument to that rid of the ball Now maybe the argument to that is well, you know he's going to get hit, but Brett Favre used to throw the ball and run backwards to get away from getting hit Probably the smartest thing I've ever seen a quarterback do. I don't see them doing that much anymore.
Speaker 1:And the position has changed. A lot of guys use their legs to make plays. John Ameth used to do. He used to like put it the time he had that he put his hands out after he got in the end zone.
Speaker 2:Nobody hit me, he would back straight up about 10 steps before he got rid of the ball and I don't think he could stop himself because his knees were so bad.
Speaker 1:So I guess now that I brought up the Jets they were positively abysmal, right. I guess now that I brought up the Jets.
Speaker 2:They were positively abysmal right At least they're consistent.
Speaker 1:They really had nothing going on.
Speaker 2:So they went from week one looking like they had something cooking and now we realize that maybe the Pittsburgh defense with all its Kings horses and all its Kings men and pro bowlers and Julius Peppers now, and they're probably either not very good or, and I dare say, they're not well coached. I think that's a well coached team, but the Jets look good against what we now think probably is not a very good defense at this moment. The Jets played the Bills defense which a week ago gave up 40 points to the ravens and in my opinion the jets have maybe not that level of ability in terms of weapons on offense, but they're similar styles and they have two really good running backs and the bills ran their ball down the uh, excuse me, the ravens ran the ball down the bill's thro, the Ravens ran the ball down the Bills' throats and the Jets seemingly couldn't get the run game going yesterday.
Speaker 1:It was unbelievable and you have to think well, pittsburgh did really. You know their defense was horrible yesterday or the day before, whatever it was.
Speaker 2:They did not play well.
Speaker 1:Yesterday it was. They did not play well at all.
Speaker 2:Not only did they not play well. They played against the team that came across the country with a brand new quarterback, even though he had success last year. San donald and they, they did not look good.
Speaker 2:They were in their own building and they got beat soundly. I know it's only week two, as aaron rogers said, come on guys. But you know I'm sure pittsburgh will right the ship at some point. But they have enough talent on that team that they can't be a nine and eight wildcard team. They they have to take advantage of that ravens loss. They have to stay ahead of them if they want to win that division. And you know that's one of those games where you know you can't have a letdown game in a game like that. In my opinion, unless and I know seattle's loaded with talent on offense I mean they've got cooper cup, who looked like old cooper cup yesterday, jackson smith and jigba, who I think is world-class, you know wide receiver right tremendous talent, tremendous upside.
Speaker 2:He's only in what? Year two or year three. So you know they've got two decent running backs and obviously the quarterback is playing well. But you know they came across the country into Pittsburgh and I mean they let him have it.
Speaker 1:It was unbelievable. And then, if you want to go to my home team, yours may be the Jets, but mine is the Giants. I didn't see much of that game because I couldn't get it where I was yesterday, but you don't know what to say. You don't know what to say.
Speaker 2:Well, I think if you look at the first game between Philly and Dallas, you thought, wow, is Dallas good, did Philly win? But are they not as good? I think what you seen yesterday was Dallas' offense was pretty much clicking on all cylinders. It looked it and Dak played very well. Their offensive line is still really good. I know they lost I think they lost somebody this week one of their offensive linemen, but they're still. You know, they're still very good.
Speaker 2:They've been good for a very long time and their defense was porous at best. I mean they were allowing guys to get over the top of the defense. They were playing soft and letting guys run right by them. I mean they were not playing very well at all in the secondary. You know, I know they had the interception at the end of the game which I think Russell probably was a miscommunication, because we saw in the end. Was it the end of the game which I think Russell probably was a miscommunication because we saw in the end, was it the end of regulation where he missed Wandel Robinson who stopped running in the middle of his route and then turned around and said oh, I couldn't see the ball. You stopped running before you even looked for the ball, so the Giants have.
Speaker 2:They have some serious issues that they need to fix, primarily their offensive line. I know that there's rumblings now. We talked about a couple of weeks ago. I said I like Dable and you were like no, I'm not that big of a fan. I said it was more Joe Shane than anything else. Now I'm starting to see that there might be more to it with Dable, that he's starting to or maybe he has already lost the locker room. There was an argument on the sidelines.
Speaker 1:It was horrible, did you see it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was Bowen. I can't remember the player's name, but you know he took the guy off the field and they were moving the football and he took him off in the middle of the drive and that's a bad look, it's a bad optic. Sometimes as a coach you have to suck it up, and I'm sure there's more to that story. But even though their offense scored almost 40 points or whatever it was, they did not look crisp. They looked great on certain plays and then they looked abysmal on the others, so it was like an all-or-nothing kind of game.
Speaker 1:Well, I think you win the game and fight with them later.
Speaker 2:Right, you got to. Yeah, I mean, that's what you're there for.
Speaker 1:Go win the game.
Speaker 2:Go win Because Dallas, think about Dallas right, dallas won the game. They're going to celebrate, but don't think they're not going to go in on a film session today and say you guys can't play like this, you can't play soft, you have to make plays in the secondary. You guys can't be back there letting receivers second and third tier wide receivers blow the top off the defense. So they won, but they you know I'm sure their coaches are going to get after it, and the first thing they did after the game was they went and signed jadavian clowney.
Speaker 2:So they addressed their issues immediately, because dallas believes they're good enough to compete with the e for the division. They believe they're a playoff team. I know, you know, the Micah Parsons trade is still everybody's calling it illogical, but not to sound like Mike Francesa, but if, if Jadavion Clowney is the Jadavion Clowney, he's Genghis Khan. I mean he's just going to come in there and wreck your city and sack your quarterback and it's game over. I don't know that he still can play at that level after what is it 10 or 11 plus seasons in the NFL? But the guy is talented and is a player and clearly Dallas addressed the issue, at least for this week. We'll see if the guy can dress and stay healthy and make a difference. You know he was certainly formidable his whole career. I don't know that that's going to fix everything, but it's one more weapon in the stash.
Speaker 2:So Dallas, at least in hindsight, has done the right thing to address their problems. And frankly, you know, I mean I know they played the Giants and I'm not knocking the Giants but the Giants' offensive line is not good. They couldn't run the football very well. Dallas seemed to be able to hold or handle the run, but their secondary allowed too many big plays and that's something they have to address. But that's also kind of indicative of the NFL. These days, you know there's no more bump and run coverage. You can't lock up receivers there's.
Speaker 1:I mean, let's talk about you, talk about Kleine, think of Von Miller, right? Oh yeah, I mean he's in. I mean, does he play every play? You don't know what effect he's going to have? He certainly.
Speaker 2:He's a luxury to have on your rotation. For sure, he doesn't have to play every down now.
Speaker 1:So you know, I mean he doesn't need to play every down. I mean they have a good defense, so it's a little bit different, but so does Dallas. I mean Dallas has a good defense, they have some great players, so I mean that's really the way it goes. I mean they need to. I think Connie, I forgot about him being out there.
Speaker 2:He's always out there because he doesn't seem to get along with anyone. I guess, yeah, he sounds from team to team. I guess there must be some personality clashes. Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 1:But nevertheless, I think he's going to have an effect on that team. I think they're going to be glad to have him.
Speaker 2:You hope it's a positive effect. He's definitely going to love playing for Dallas. If he's successful, the fans will embrace him. They I mean you took away the heart of their defense, the heart of their city. So you know you can't expect Clowney to fill those shoes right now, but he just has to be himself. And you know you make a play or two and sack the quarterback and they're going to scream and cheer and they're going to get behind you.
Speaker 1:You know he can't ruin Dallas any more than Jerry Jones has.
Speaker 2:Certainly not. But this is just a typical Jerry move at the same time. So it fits the mantra of the circus tent.
Speaker 1:You didn't hear how much they paid him, because I'm really curious about that.
Speaker 2:I tried before to see if I could find it. I didn't. I don't know, it's probably disclosed at this point, but I'm sure it's just a one-year deal and he's probably going to get, you know, a few million bucks, I'm sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's probably more than a few.
Speaker 2:I doubt it's like an incentive-laden contract. It's got to be, you know, in the tens of millions, all right.
Speaker 1:So what do you want to talk about next? So the other thing I wanted to bring up we went through. I forget Buffalo, we could run.
Speaker 2:I forget Buffalo, we could run down the games I mean there was a lot of you know I think the field goals were big yesterday all over the league. How about Joe Burrow? I mean the guy's going to be out three months. That's a terrible. And we just talked about it last week about him being healthy and having Jamar Chase and playing. You know he can get back to playing healthy football, that they'll be formidable. They can win that division. They went to the Super Bowl a few years ago and now that's all you know. You're wondering what the future of his career is going to look like. Turf toe injury that he needs surgery for, just based on the injury alone. The history of that injury, especially in the NFL, it's never good. It's never good. It seems like guys cannot recover from that injury and that the surgery itself is. You know, I don't know that it's a. What was the one that everybody had? Liz Frank was another one. You get surgery on your feet, your ankles. It's never good, it's never good.
Speaker 1:It's never good.
Speaker 2:And I'm not rooting against Joe Burr, I love the guy.
Speaker 1:Well, we talk so highly about him.
Speaker 2:I hope he's able to recover. I don't even want to see him play again this year. Get the surgery, rest, recover and be healthy for next season, because if you're going to be out three months, how cool is that I for next season, because if you're going to be out three months, how cool is that?
Speaker 1:I can't imagine. You know it's funny because you, just when you go to my profile, my picture just says live underneath it. I never looked before. That's pretty cool. And you just and I'm there holding the microphone and you click on it and it comes up and there we are. Not that anybody's clicked, but you know there are a few people online but not many few people online and and people.
Speaker 1:It's so funny because hundreds, hundreds and hundreds of people watch it afterwards and the uh amount of people is is uh and how much time. You know when you look at it you have all these stats and one of the stats is how many hours people watch, so you know they'll watch you 30 seconds or whatever, and I do it too. I start to watch something it's something different than I thought and then I turn it off, but people are really watching. So I appreciate that we're going to try to do better things. It makes a lot of fun.
Speaker 2:A lot of fun.
Speaker 1:Hopefully we're going to work on getting some guests and things in the future. I kind of have finally worked out all the technical things. I think most of them. There are a couple things I'd like to further get, but I think we're out there. We're on a whole bunch of things. I think most of them. There are a couple things I'd like to further get, but I think we're out there, we're on a whole bunch of things.
Speaker 1:Step by step, step by step, but certainly there were Cincinnati's got to be the fans that got to be losing their mind.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's frustrating if you're a Cincinnati fan, for sure, I mean, although their backup quarterback played very well and Jamar Chase had a career day, so maybe there's something there. You know, you hope you don't want to see a team go down the tubes losing one player, even when it's the quarterback.
Speaker 1:Think about Philadelphia with flacco and uh, flacco it was right and carson wentz yeah well, no, it was yeah yeah false, nick false. I'm sorry, I always get the two of them confused.
Speaker 2:I have no idea why, but I always do false, false wins a super bowl and they said he shipped him off and they should he off.
Speaker 1:And they shipped him off, but he was also hurt.
Speaker 2:I think he had concussion issues, right.
Speaker 1:Yep, and then Wentz went down the tube somehow, somehow he just I think it was the coach more than him, but somehow he lost a little bit of his oomph.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he had some toughness to him and I thought he was perfect for Philadelphia because of how he played the game. They made the decision to move on, which you know what? They've won a super bowl or two super bowls. So I, you know it can't argue, especially when there's a regime change. That's not your quarterback. You want to go a different route. Obviously it's a different run offense than when carson wentz was there.
Speaker 1:So, um, oh, I know what I wanted to mention Indianapolis.
Speaker 2:Indies 2-0. Nobody expected that, so I mean I'm not going to get into the field goals. The Broncos kicked a field goal, missed Lutz missed a field goal, but Indianapolis committed the same penalty that the Broncos got called for on that 55 yarder or whatever it was 60 yarder. So there goes the rule again affecting the game call non-call it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2:Indy is like we started off talking about offensive line. They are protecting their quarterback and daniel jones is starting to look like indiana jones. He's, he's you know. He's a different guy altogether, indiana jones, and he's you know, I think because he's having this success early, it's further you shining a light on, or maybe I should use another term, putting Dable under the microscope, because we can blame the offensive line play. It's still coaching and there were times when Daniel Jones just looked lost and he's a completely different guy right now.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. And listen, he spent a year in Minnesota, right, yeah, but you know, I think of it like this. You remember George, who was the former general manager for there, forever under the old and he beat out the other guy who was their starter. That's correct, and they drafted him to be the starter. And he beat out the other guy who was their starter. That's correct and they drafted him to be the starter and he drafted him.
Speaker 1:And Daniel Jones came in there and made his mark. Now you have to say that management in the New York Giants just don't get what it takes to build a team. They don't have that mindset that Pittsburgh probably has or others have. Where they go around and they draft these supporting players and build a foundation, I like to say, and so they need to build offensive line, defensive line, and they go and draft a quarterback and the quarterback's going to say you would think these guys never watched football before.
Speaker 2:It certainly seems that way, yeah.
Speaker 1:You're like oh no, let's get Tom Brady in here. If Tom Brady played on the Giants he wouldn't win a game Because he'd get slammed.
Speaker 2:He would be hard-pressed to find a victory for sure.
Speaker 1:So what about this, don't you understand? And when you see guys and I think I'll throw the Jets in there, and I probably said this last week too I mean, when you see the Sam Darnels and the Geno Smiths and the Daniel Jones go out there and be successful in other places, do you ever think to yourself, maybe we need to do more to make them successful? I mean, isn't that something I would learn if I was a general manager?
Speaker 2:Let the players play, let the coaches coach. You've got to coach them up. I mean you can't just throw somebody out there with talent and say go win me a football game.
Speaker 1:Oh, no, let's fire another coach and hire another coach, oh, but we won't hire one. Oh, and let's keep the general manager, because I actually like having coffee with him in the morning. So you know and listen, I get so fired up over that. The Jets fired their coach last year after he won in front of the owner's friends from England. I mean, I am fired up over that, not for anything. He's in San Francisco, right, yep?
Speaker 2:And went back.
Speaker 1:He's the defense coordinator and a defense coordinator and defense looks pretty good there and, better yet, what's his name? From New England? Is there a backup quarterback? Because Purdy's hurt Matt Jones. Matt Jones and he had a good game yesterday. He played very well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's ironic Football 2-0.
Speaker 1:Right. All things don't fit in all places.
Speaker 2:It really is. It comes down to coaching. I mean, I agree, look at the Redskins right, like when they had RG3, ironically enough, their quarterbacks hurt. This week too. He's got a knee injury. I'm sure that's got to not sit well with the fans in washington. They're probably on edge.
Speaker 2:I mean, you don't want to see a young quarterback get hurt or miss time. But uh, he's being replaced by mariotta next weekend. So you know you gotta take into account he's playing well and then this happens. There's nothing you can do, right. But you'll see, when Mariota comes in, that this coaching staff is prepared for what comes and they'll probably still win games. I'm not expecting Mariota to be, you know great. But you know Washington is a well coached team and you know it'll show you know on the field on Sunday, whereas, like you just said, these guys leave New York and all of a sudden they can play football Seemingly overnight. Well, I mean, you know Donald did have his year in San Francisco and I think he was undershot and I was there and he did say he learned a lot. But these guys look like different people. You know these quarterbacks get thrown to the wolves in New York and it's hard.
Speaker 1:Geno Smith his first year in Seattle, you were like oh my goodness, who is that guy?
Speaker 2:Just tremendous, tremendous.
Speaker 1:And then Sam Donald.
Speaker 2:He's in Seattle now, but he was in Minnesota last year. Yeah, minnesota, and they were a good football team, weren't they? 13-4, 14-3.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean they were good, I mean he got pounded in the playoffs.
Speaker 2:But yeah, came back to earth.
Speaker 1:But I mean, it's the first time you get in the playoffs. You're a young quarterback, you know the pressure is unbelievable. It just goes to show he doesn't play well with pressure because he couldn't play in New York and now he couldn't play when the pressure got turned on in the Vikings. But I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think they had. I think it almost looked like they got ambushed in that game. They just seemed ill-prepared, which is a major letdown. But that's also not the first time we've seen that happen to the Vikings in the playoffs and I'm sure you know all too well as a Giants fan. You're playing one of the most talented offenses in football history and you beat them 41-0 in the playoff game. So I know that was many moons ago, Many moons ago.
Speaker 1:I remember that game completely.
Speaker 2:You got a big one tonight. I mean the Raiders and the Chargers tonight. That's tonight, right yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, raiders and Chargers which was just to point out, just to mention that I did my four-game parlay and that was my fourth game and I wimped out and cashed in because I won the first three and I wimped out just because they offered me good money.
Speaker 2:So I apologize for that A win's a win.
Speaker 1:I was like, let me cash out, then I'll place more bets next week. So I took the money, wimped that I am and I acknowledge it In public like this and recorded I should have.
Speaker 2:Well, listen, now you have more money to place more bets.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right. And then what about Tampa Bay? I mean, where'd that guy become a quarterback?
Speaker 2:So I think, well, I think, he became a quarterback in his first game against the Jets that was. Was that four?
Speaker 1:years ago. He's got a really good coach and for some reason the Jets didn't want to realize he was a really good coach.
Speaker 2:So they're playing tonight. Baker Mayfield, as good as he's been, is now 1-7 on Monday night and has lost seven straight games, I think, on Monday night. I think, the only win was against the Jets.
Speaker 1:I hate stats like that Monday night. He doesn't play well in the snow on Tuesday in December.
Speaker 2:The bright lights are on Monday night, I mean all focus is on you.
Speaker 2:I guess, but there, you know he's got some talent on that offense the wide receiver from Ohio State, emeka Agbuka. You know they can move the football. They're well coached. You know he doesn't have to do anything special for that offense to move. I don't think they're going to ask him to do anything crazy. You know he just has to get back in the pocket, find an open receiver and sling it. I know they do. You know, move the football around, get him out of the pocket to protect him a little bit. They have a decent running back. Move the football around, get him out of the pocket to protect him a little bit. They have a decent running back. They are going to have their hands full, they're playing the Texans tonight?
Speaker 1:right, I believe so. Just look at head up matter of fact.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Stroud has had success against the Bucs already. Once before I think he had a game where he threw five touchdowns against the Bucs Obviously different team now but they're also coming into that game with some question marks, but I think it should be an entertaining game and you root for young quarterbacks, so it's nice to see Baker Mayfield figure it out. Cj Stroud, you know, coming along, you want to see him progress. It's hard to believe he's still as young as he is because he had major success early. You want to see teams like that. For me, a little bit more. For the Texans to take another step forward.
Speaker 2:They've got Nico Collins in that offense and I'm biased because he went to Michigan, but I think he's a tremendous wide receiver talent because he went to Michigan, but I think he's a tremendous wide receiver talent. He is poised to step into that upper echelon of number one wide receivers and he's certainly a favorite target for CJ Stroud. So you might get to see some points tonight, unlike last night when they saw field goals and one touchdown where they gave up the touchdown and they let him score. So it should be vastly different tonight. And then, who else is tonight? Baltimore, not Baltimore.
Speaker 1:No Los Angeles or, I'm sorry, the Chargers against.
Speaker 2:Oh right, the Chargers, Chargers and the Raiders.
Speaker 1:Raiders right, that was my other bet. I had the Chargers. I should have kept it.
Speaker 2:Herbert has had success. I they're well coached. Obviously Harbaugh, you know this is a chance for them to go 2-0 and kind of get an early stranglehold on the division after beating Kansas City last week. You know. On the Raiders, you know, with Pete Carroll, pete Carroll is 5-4 lifetime against Harbaugh. There's some history there, obviously, going back to, I think you know, their college faceoff, so you know it'll be an interesting game for sure. I think they probably know each other very well, so they'll both probably be very well prepared for each other. The tight end is out for the Raiders.
Speaker 2:I think the Chargers are healthy. Actually, I don't know if Bowers is out or not, I think he's a game healthy. Actually, I don't know if Bowers is out or not, I think he's a game. I shouldn't say that. I think he's a game-time decision tonight, bowers, but he does have an injury. I think it's a high ankle sprain or something Right. So something to keep an eye on. It should be an even game, I think. I don, you know much better than the other, but you know, we'll see. I mean I think the Chargers are favored tonight, if I'm not mistaken, after beating Kansas City last week.
Speaker 1:So to change the subject a little bit and maybe to wrap up with just to talk a little bit about I don't know if you had any time to see the fight on Netflix on Friday night, I'm sorry, on Saturday night I did not Alvarez and Crawford, and you know there were four prelims. It's basically the same way, just not pay-per-view. So I mean the payouts, I think they each made a hundred or $150 million each. So they're not. They're not really not really that much different than what you usually get, even though it's not pay-per-view. And it's funny, when I'm watching the prelims, what you see is you know this is a sortie group and you see others I saw Dan White sitting with them who runs or owns, or whatever it is UFC, even though UFC is now owned by that TV group, tv KO or whatever it is.
Speaker 2:Are they owned by them? Or I thought it was just the rights, the TV rights?
Speaker 1:No, I think they sold partially to them or whatever. It was Okay. And then they also own the WWE. They bought that from McMahon when McMahon fell into trouble for billions of dollars or whatever, but the TV rights actually they sold for a UFC to Paramount+. So January 1st all the UFCs are going to be on Paramount+ and it's my understanding, much like Netflix, is this pay-per-view model is going to go away and everything's going to be subscription-based and that's going to be the new. So you know you're going to have and if you know depends what the numbers go up, right, if they don't go up that high, then it's really worth it, right, because you get. So what I usually do and a couple of friends of mine we all meet at a club. We belong to a cigar lounge we belong to and there's a movie room and we sit in the movie room and everybody chips in 20 bucks or whatever it is and we watch the fight.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I mean, so that's part of it, or why we've always been able to do it, but and I'm sure people streaming illegally and lots of other things but they obviously make a lot of money or else they wouldn't be doing it.
Speaker 2:Well, if you have somebody with a fire stick, you can get anything right? I've heard that and it makes me question the money, because it's a major flaw in the streaming system. If you have a I guess they call it a jailbroken fire stick, you get every channel everywhere, anytime, including these huge events, because they're hacked into a server somewhere that broadcasts what you want to watch.
Speaker 1:I think they tell people that it comes from Europe, but I'm not sure they're just not tapped right into the satellite.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. Yeah, it's definitely being downloaded and processed in a server somewhere, because if you've ever watched an event on a fire stick where you didn't have to pay for it, you're probably somewhere between 30 seconds to up to two minutes behind the broadcast. Right?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Right, um, so you know that's I mean for a crowd of people, you know 20, 30 guys, 50 people, whatever. And if you're in a, in a club like we are watching an event, uh, or you know, at the Lyceum, where we can have 100 plus people and we had the Pacquiao and Mayweather fight, they know that that's out there. And to pay all that money to own the rights to sell it to a streaming network and the subscribers that are going to come with it. At this point, I'm shocked that everybody doesn't have a Fire Stick, because you know why would you pay all that money for these different subscriptions when you could pay for a Fire Stick and pay a very small fee yearly to have all of that anytime you want to watch it, without having to pay the subscription fee?
Speaker 1:I have a friend. He pays $15 a month and he can watch one thing and it has movies and I went through it at his house and I was shocked on what's on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it's out there. They know it's out there. Amazon knows it's out there. They're selling the sticks and Amazon is one of those networks that you have to subscribe to. To get you know football, baseball games. You have to have Amazon Prime, but if you have one of their fire sticks, that's somebody's got access to the server or sells you a subscription to their service.
Speaker 1:I think that's part of the strategy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it could be to get everybody off regular television.
Speaker 1:But I think it's part of the strategy that if you just go into a streaming service and you're not paying $90 pay-per-view, that people are less likely to get a Fire Stick. People are less likely because it's access. It's more accessible when you pay $90, that hurts. But if you're paying $15 or $20 a month and you have all the fights and you get to watch whatever you want, I think it's better. I think, even though there might not be that much money, there's certainly a more affordable way to consume all this for sure, and there's more consumers.
Speaker 1:That's the key. There's more, a more affordable way to consume all this for sure. And there's more consumers. That's the key. There's more money to make because you have a bigger herd.
Speaker 2:I type votes, all votes.
Speaker 1:Right, I think with more people you're going to have kids watching it, which you may not. You're not having some 14-year-old kid goes to his mom, dad, hey, can you get the $90 fight for me tonight? That ain't happening. But if you're paying that subscription, maybe him and his friends are watching that fight and you're going to something Major League Baseball can't figure out to save their lives how to get young people to actually watch baseball but they're going to figure out a way to get a mass.
Speaker 1:Anybody making them pay for it. That's for sure. A massive audience, and the audience is going to get a massive audience. And anybody making them pay for it, that's for sure. A massive audience and the audience is going to get so big. You know how much. Like we said when Ronaldo signed a new contract, they made more money in T-shirts and jerseys than they made in the stadium. That's where the money is and that's what I believe is going to change everything.
Speaker 2:It's funny to think that we went from having to listen to baseball games on the radio to black and white TV, to then color TV, where it was more consumable, but you only had one TV in the house back then. Now you got a TV in every room in the house, but it's almost less washable and less accessible. It's crazy to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wrote this paper in college. It was called Free Speech, the Internet and something else I can't really remember and I went through how and I made comparisons. Some of the early legal cases about free speech talked about people riding around with megaphones screaming things out for elections. You know, vote for John Smith. He's running for town supervisor. And there became a distinction.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking of the Blues Brothers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking of, and you have the same thing. You had commercial speech, private speech, what's free, what's exactly what I'm thinking of. And you have the same thing. You had commercial speech, private speech, what's free, what's not? And what happened? What I extrapolated from that is that you're going to have so many people if those cases in the Supreme Court, one of them was called Red Line that seems to be the one I remember at the minute but you're going to have so much out there that they had multiple people driving around in cars and you couldn't figure out what the hell anybody was saying, because everybody's screaming. But that's what you have. It's become like noise and we're part of that noise tonight. Sure, so whatever, but there's so much out there and so many things you don't even know what to listen to. Just like me, I don't watch the news anymore. Why?
Speaker 2:I haven't watched the news in years and I don't even watch TV anymore. Really, I mean, I watch, you know, the game still if I have time, but I consume way less than I did when I was a kid, certainly.
Speaker 1:But why don't we watch the news anymore? Because there's no benefit. But why don't we watch?
Speaker 1:the news anymore, because there's no benefit. We don't have faith in what anyone says why those hours were carved out. They gave these FCC licenses to the television stations and they had to broadcast the news. Yeah, and the purpose? The purpose was that we needed an informed republic Informed electorate is probably a better word, because that gives you great elections. Well, somewhat what they did, that they forgot to say how about? You can't have commercials Because if you're going to turn into a money-making operation, money's going to start ruling the room, money's going to slant your news, and that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, we can go down that road, maybe on another podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, Edward R Murrow went into it in great detail when they gave him the. I don't know, we'll get into Edward R Murrow another day, but anyway, Fair enough, Fair enough. But that's pretty much what's going on with these sporting events. And certainly I you know, I'm one of the crowd I originally thought UFC was just a barbaric sport. Well, somewhere along the line I still do. To be honest, it is barbaric. But listen, I'm fat and old. But when I was in my 20s and 30s I fought all the time, probably every week, Martial arts, whatever. I trained with one of the world champions. That was taught by Bruce Lee, Joe.
Speaker 2:Lewis.
Speaker 1:Joe Lewis and Joe Lewis we didn't see him all the time, maybe once a month. And I trained with a former Navy SEAL and I was useless. Maybe once a month. And I'd trade with a former Navy SEAL and I was useless. I mean, there were guys that were really good, but I tried really hard until I got beat up so bad I could barely walk and then I couldn't do it for a while and then I didn't go back. But it's become more than just a beating in blood. No, it's blood sport. It always has been. It's definitely blood sport, but it's become more than that.
Speaker 2:ESPN used to not televise it because of that. That was their reasoning for not televising it. And now you see the replays. They don't broadcast all the big events, but they give you the rundown during SportsCenter. When the show breaks and it's over, they come back in and they have interviews, they talk about, you know, round by round and all that. They've got a segment for it on one of their shows, one of their channels, where they talk exclusively about UFC. So things have changed because the market dictated that people wanted to watch this stuff. But again, again, it's entirely money driven. So there's no integrity, there are no ethics involved. It's it's just how much money can we make? And that's why I question how it's consumed and how it's broadcast, because there's so much money. I mean just said they made a hundred and something million dollars a piece last night yeah, one 150 million dollars, I'll go get the shit kicked out of me for three rounds unfortunately nobody
Speaker 1:about 24 seconds, but well, I I watched the, watch the movie. I couldn't believe. My girlfriend loved it and we watched warrior with tom hardy. Did you ever see that?
Speaker 2:that I've only seen bits and pieces, but I do know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it's got Tom Hardy, nick Nolte, he's crazy. He was great, it's like from 2011. Eddington Eddington I forget his first name and he's a magnificent actor. He was in the Great Gatsby. He was the rich guy across the water, shakespeare you know and did you see that? Movie.
Speaker 2:I did not. I read the book, but I didn't. Yeah, well, I was, I read a few books I've read in my lifetime.
Speaker 1:I read a lot of a lot of books and I think that book, I think the soliloquy parts of that book are just amazing, where they're talking to you and narrator for lack of a better term but he's actually a player in a book, so he's just narrating, he's going along, and the opening scene in the newer movie of the Great Gatsby is great because they talk about through the narration. But anyway, I'm getting off subject. Anything else before we end today's show, I think we can call it I mean we can run down next week's games quick if you want.
Speaker 1:Yep, let's do it. You got them in front of you. Because I don't?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Arizona is 2-0 at San Francisco.
Speaker 1:Also 2-0. How could you? I brought Purdy's out? Not for anything. I criticized Arizona on our first week. We both did. We were like are they ever going to get their act together?
Speaker 2:Well, guess what fans? They are poised to take control of that division at 3-0 if they beat San Francisco.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:With Purdy out, even though Matt Jones is there. I would think that maybe you know Arizona. In fact, today they were listed at 52 chance to win by fpi moving along. Miami terrible at buffalo. Buffalo is like a 76 favorite to win that game. I don't think miami has a chance the way they're playing right now. I know they played a little better this week but they don't look right. Something's off there, um.
Speaker 1:Something with Tua, yeah, and I hope you know he doesn't get crushed by that Buffalo defense.
Speaker 2:I don't want to see anything bad happen to the kid. I was not a favorite of him being an NFL quarterback, but certainly don't wish any ill upon the guy. I do think you're right when you say there's something off. I hope it's not what we think it is. I think maybe it's something else. Maybe it's the coaching, maybe it's the style of play, maybe it's you know the defenses have caught up, or whatever.
Speaker 1:Well, you hope that coaches didn't say oh yeah, the kid's fine because they put their neck out for their jobs, and now the kid's not fine, and now they don't want to tell anybody because they want to hold on to their jobs as long as they can. I hope that's not the case.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Then you have Cincinnati, minnesota Minnesota's a favorite, even with JJ out. At least that was this morning. They were like a 58% probability. Pittsburgh New England is interesting, pittsburgh one and one it's a pick-em. I think New England is a slight favorite at 50% plus. But that is an interesting game to keep an eye on because that will, I think, give you more of a barometer or a metric on where both teams are headed. Give you more of a barometer or metric on where both teams are headed. You know, these games that are 50-probability games always seem to end up as a blowout. But we'll see who's for real and who's not in that game.
Speaker 2:I think Right, especially after Rodgers' comments. You know, oh, it's great to beat anything associated with the Jets and then it's oh well, we lost. It's only week two guys Give us a break. But she's right. But you know they pay you to win games. Go win this game. This is a game I think Pittsburgh has to win, even though it's only week three. Another two teams going in two different directions Indianapolis 2-0, tennessee 0-2. Tennessee's got some pretty good play from their young quarterback. I think they have a future there. Cam Ward is a player. That throw that he made, going to his right and back across the other side of the field.
Speaker 1:I forgot to talk about that. That was a throw I mean, when you see announcers like on ESPN, they're like people aren't supposed to be able to do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like a 16% probability that that is a completed pass.
Speaker 1:And not only is it a completed pass, it's on the money.
Speaker 2:In fact, I think it's a higher percentage that that pass gets intercepted than it is completed. You got Houston who's playing tonight. They're already 0-1 against Jacksonville, 1-1 next week. We'll see what happens tonight. I guess Jacksonville hasn't been playing terrible. No, they're not the doormat like they've been. I know they had some issue this weekend with Trevor Lawrence waving off one of his coaches after a play, but that'll be an interesting AFC matchup. That game could be a shootout.
Speaker 1:I heard that about it.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of offensive weapons on the field.
Speaker 1:Did you see that video of him waving off? That can't be good boy.
Speaker 2:No, not good, but you know what? He's a veteran quarterback. Now, right, he's been in the league four years, five years. He's a veteran quarterback.
Speaker 1:Now, right, he's been in the league.
Speaker 2:Four years, five years, yeah, but he's not Tom Brady. He's not Tom Brady. But if he's confident enough in himself to wave off the coach and say, calm down, I'll handle this. I'm okay with that Because he has to still progress. He hasn't been as good as we thought he would be coming out of college, so, who knows, maybe that will light a fire under both of them and they'll get it together. Atlanta Carolina oh, we did that right, sorry. Rams are 2-0. Phillies 2-0. Phillies a 58% probability to win that. I think that game is in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1:What's the difference?
Speaker 2:I think, another game where a team's coming across the country to play. You might have to fact check me on that. I think that game's in Philly the Rams are formidable. I mean, let's you know Matthew Stafford with Devontae Adams and they have probably one of the more versatile backs in the NFL. He can run, he can catch passes out of the backfield. Philly, I think, is going to have their hands full Sooner or later. They got to. Yeah, I mean this would be a good litmus test to see where they're at, because frankly, I don't think they played their best game yet. They don't seem to be world beaters, even with Barkley. I mean they're a great team, don be world beaters, even with Barkley. And I mean they're a great team, don't get me wrong, but they have some questions still. So this, I think, would be a good gauge to see where they're at, especially against a team like the Rams. With a Super Bowl winning coach, Super Bowl winning quarterback, that should be a good game. I'm looking forward to trying to get to watch that game.
Speaker 2:Jets and the Bucs. The Jets, like you said, abysmal. I'm sure the probability will change after tonight's game, but it was 68% Bucs favored to win that game today. So that'll be interesting to see what happens after tonight's game. I don't know that there's much interest. If you're just an average football fan and watching that game, I can't tell you oh, you should go watch. It's going to be, you know, electric, uh, kind of a boring matchup, to be honest, unless you're a Jets fan looking for a quick September vacation and that if that game's in Florida you can go down there and enjoy yourself for the weekend. Um, you got, uh you got the Raiders and the Redskins, with Daniels is out. But even with Daniels out and Mariota in Washington was an early favorite at 60%, even though Las Vegas plays tonight.
Speaker 2:Green Bay 2-0, cleveland 0-2. I think Green Bay is just going to roll them. They're 70% chance favorite to win. So I don't think there's much to talk about there other than the two best pass rushers in the league. So maybe you'll see some some defense there, but I think green bay's offense is just gonna steamroll cleveland. I just don't see cleveland being relevant in that game and their defense is pretty good too that defense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what else? I think what do we have? New orleans oh-2, Seattle 1-1. Again, not a very sexy game. I don't think people get excited about Rattlers quarterback for New Orleans. They're already 0-2. I know they have some offensive talent but they're not a very exciting team to watch at this point. I know the Giants, I think, go down there week five. So you know, depending on where the, where the giants are, they might be their only chance at a victory right right, uh, dallas plays chicago.
Speaker 2:Um, in in chicago, I believe. So that's. That's uh interesting. Dallas is a favorite. 55. I thought it would be a little higher, to be honest with with you, but I think that'll be another interesting game to see where Dallas is at because, they haven't played perfect football yet and they'll have Jadavion Clowney, so who knows?
Speaker 2:Then you got your team, the Giants, 0-2, against the 0-2 Kansas City Chiefs, who are favored to win that game. That game's in New York, right, I believe. So That'll be interesting because you know the Giants can score points, the Chiefs are 0-2. And I did want to mention this earlier. I know there was that moment in the game where you saw Travis Kelsey look at his team and scream and yell and he said I'm sick of this crap. And then when the game is, you know, almost you know it's crunch time.
Speaker 2:In the beginning of that game I don't know if you got to watch the game, but that game started with patrick mahomes, in my opinion was really try. You could see he was trying to will his team to win this game and he wanted to score points early and it didn't happen. And you know he had dove for the end zone at one play and he made a really great play, made a couple of good throws and it just seemed like he was. He had the will to just drag this team to victory because they didn't want to start 0-2 and it was a big question. Coming into the game. Kelsey drops a touchdown pass or at least a first down on the goal line and the defender made a play.
Speaker 2:It ended up being an interception and I don't expect Travis Kelsey to run down a defensive back and make a tackle from behind, but his effort on that play was gross, there's no other way to say it. And you just came off the field yelling at your offensive lineman or your defensive, whatever he was yelling at. I'm sick of this expletive. And then you put that effort in on a play where you should have caught the ball and could have got your team back in the game and given yourselves a chance to win. And you're jogging after the guy who made the play on you. To me that's not leadership. That's a guy who mailed it in. I know he's a Hall of Fame player and all that, but it's a bad look. I mean, if I was coaching and this was one of my seniors or, you know, one of the captains of the team and I saw that on the film I'd light that kid's ass up, man.
Speaker 1:I mean at this level he's got to be called out for that. He's ran in the other direction. He wasn't even looking. He was like a baby, like mad or whatever.
Speaker 1:And you know listen listen, I don't care, he just gave up on the play. I don't care about his life, I'm glad he's happy, I'm glad he's doing it and I don't care. He comes in like like that guitarist from acdc with shorts and a suit or whatever. I mean I let him wear whatever he wants. I've seen the craziest thing all fluff. But when you get out there on the field it's always been 120% for him. It didn't seem like he had it yesterday.
Speaker 1:It didn't seem like his head was in the game and I think we spoke about this last night. I think there comes a time on all NFL players where they don't have that drive anymore. No matter what your abilities are still hanging around, you still have to be 120% when you walk on that field or you're going to get hurt.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I agree. It struck me as egregious because before that we saw him yelling at his team that he was sick of the way they were playing and he was screaming at them like it was their fault. And then to give that kind of effort after screaming at your teammates I'm sorry, that's you know. Shame on you agreed, agreed and listen.
Speaker 2:This is not like it happens with him all the time. I just noticed it because I was watching the game and I thought to myself man, how many times have I watched film as a coach and you see a kid not. You know, it's different in high school. Obviously you want to motivate kids, you point it out and you move on. If it's consistent, you pull the kid off the field. He's not coming off the field, he's their starting tight end, he's their team captain, whatever you want to call it. He's a hall of Famer, he's all of those things. If your quarterback is going to go out there and give you the kind of effort he did on Sunday, running for his life and trying to will you to victory, you're just going to be a mouthpiece yelling at guys, put a headset on and get a clipboard, because that kind of effort on the field is unacceptable. I agree and I'm sure that Andy Reid is not going to use that.
Speaker 2:You know, the announcers didn't even talk about it. They showed the play, I watched it, they showed the replay. They didn't mention it. And I'm sitting there saying to myself how are they not pointing this out? Are they not watching the same film that I'm watching. I do think they said it's unlike him to drop a ball like that. Oh yeah, yeah, I don't think he had alligator arms or anything. The defender made a play.
Speaker 1:The defender made a play, yeah, but the ball, he missed the ball. And then the defender made a catch on the missed ball. Yes, it wasn't like he hit it out of his hand.
Speaker 2:That's correct, yeah, whatever. And then the last game you have is Detroit and Baltimore, which could be an absolute slugfest with all that talent. Both teams 1-1. Baltimore is slight favorite 56% chance to win. I think that game is in Baltimore. If that game was in Detroit it would be a track meet. I mean with these two offenses.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I did want to change the subject for a minute. If that's all of them, I just want to mention the passing yesterday of Eddie Jockman, the long long time New York Ranger goalie, back in the day where you didn't wear a mask. I think he was there 65 to 76, which is a long time to be anywhere in professional sports, and then I think he played like three years with the Red Wings. But I did want to mention him. He was a legend. When I first started watching hockey in late grammar school, early high school, eddie Jockerman was just in the end of his career there and I remember those teams. I remember how he played. I remembered he was a legend.
Speaker 2:I played without a face mask.
Speaker 1:Without a face mask.
Speaker 2:Talk about a different breed. I mean we started with offensive linemen talking about them being a face mask. Without a face mask, talk about a different breed. I mean we started with offensive linemen talking about them being a different breed. You play goalie in the NHL with no mask. I don't care what area it's in. The size and weight of the puck hasn't changed. That is not an easy thing to do.
Speaker 1:So I didn't want it to go by without at least mentioning such a great and and probably most. Nhl legend and most of us that remember him are are old, so the people that really saw him play probably unless you were a fan when you were five or six years old which I wasn't, I mean I wasn't so um we didn't watch hockey in my house and it wasn't really broadcast like it wasn't, I mean, I wasn't so um we didn't watch hockey in my house and it wasn't really broadcast like it was broadcast.
Speaker 1:So that's the way it was and that's it, I think. I think we covered all over the bases, I think so. So it was good. We're like an hour and a half so that's our longest one, yet it goes by quick, right, it does. I hope it was good. We'll see you next week.
Speaker 2:Thanks very much for having me, steve.
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