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Sports Live! Steve & Justin React To the Super Bowl

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We break down a defense-first championship where Seattle’s patience and coaching discipline outlast New England’s stalled offense, and we unpack how the halftime show signals the NFL’s global push. We also share updates on our charity plunge, offseason plans, and upcoming guests.

• defensive game control and low penalties
• Seattle’s field goals over fourth-down aggression
• Darnold’s mistake-free play and tight windows
• New England’s pass protection collapse
• Kenneth Walker III’s patient, explosive runs
• special teams execution without errors
• coaching choices, situational football, and adaptation
• halftime show as signal of NFL global expansion
• broadcast takeaways and ad hits and misses
• athlete longevity, legacy, and knowing when to retire
• offseason roadmap: draft, hockey, basketball, F1, and guests

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Super Bowl Reactions And Housekeeping

SPEAKER_02

Hello, everyone, and I'm sure you're all recovering from the Super Bowl, and it's left over left over something. And I know I've never seen so many complaints. It was boring. It was great. It was the halftime was no good. The halftime was great. It's ridiculous. So we're gonna talk all about it here on Sports Talk with Steve and Justin. How are you, Justin?

SPEAKER_00

Nursing my Super Bowl hangover. How are you?

SPEAKER_02

I don't drink, so I can't have a hangover, but I didn't even drop.

SPEAKER_00

I'm just exhausted.

SPEAKER_02

I am tired too, and I went to bed early. I mean, it went off early, I thought, because there are no penalties. The game never stopped. It just kind of cranked right on through. There was a few penalties towards the end when they didn't matter anymore.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Nothing, nothing crazy, nothing major.

Charity Plunge And Community Support

SPEAKER_02

No, and I really thought it was a good game. Let's get this. Well, before we get there, I want to thank everybody for watching today. Uh, we welcome all you. Please like and subscribe. We've been really having a lot of subscriptions lately. We really, since I complained, we haven't had any. Now we're having a group. So uh thank you all for subscribing. Please continue. Like it. Please give us comments. We like to hear it. And before we get going today, I just want to mention about Justin's uh doing a fundraiser kind of in the name of our show, and just tell him a little bit about it, Justin.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so we sponsored uh or Galata House is holding the hosted the plunge this past weekend, and we were a sponsor. Uh so the goal was to raise$1,500 for Galata House. We're almost there. Donations will be accepted through this evening until 10 o'clock. So I'm gonna hold this up so if you can see that. If you can go to galottahouse.org and look for Justin Takes the Plunge, you'll be able to donate uh in my name if you want, or you could just donate straight to the charity. Uh, there are a few live auctions happening right now. Uh, there's an Aaron Judge baseball autographed, they're taking auctions for that, and all of it goes to Galata House. Galata House is a charity here in Westchester County that helps families suffering hardships. I did the plunge this weekend. Typically, we jump in the Hudson River every year. This is my fourth year doing it. Unfortunately, the river was frozen over. We couldn't actually jump in the water, but despite that, I braved the coals in nine-degree weather, single digits for sure, in asining at 10 a.m. The wind chill factor was a real fill temperature of minus 13 degrees, and the asining fire department was kind enough to come down and spray us with their hose. So I got hose this week, and it was invigorating to say the least. I bet it was.

SPEAKER_02

Just remind me before when we get off that I go on there and and make a donation. I I wasn't aware it was so quick upon us.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you.

Defensive Duel And Special Teams Edge

SPEAKER_02

And obviously, I didn't go outside at all this weekend because I wasn't freezing my little tail off. When I went out in the car, I didn't bring my coat, so I knew that I wasn't gonna get out of the car. So that's that's the way we did it. Smart. So the Super Bowl, a lot of hype. Most people picked Seattle because of the strength of their defense, and I thought both defenses played well. I think one played better than the other. You know, Gonzalez in the secondary there for for uh New England. I mean, he could have almost gotten the MVP. But for him, so there's two parts to those passes that were thrown. The first part is but for him, they get clobbered. Um those passes were were were great, would have been great catches, but he was right Johnny on the spot, and he's credit needs to be given. The flip side to that is the reason he was able to make those plays, even though it was an amazing job on himself, that he was even able to get a chance to make those plays, was because Donald was thrown behind the runner.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Not not terrible, but I mean that that was a tight window to begin with, and that's kind of a bang bang play.

SPEAKER_02

Right. And if he would have led them, they would have been great plays. But what are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I'm not gonna kill Sam Darnold for that because if he had defeated thrown behind him, you know, at fault, he would have been intercepted. He had to make a great play on the ball. Absolutely, you know, you're talking about less than inches in terms of where the ball could have been thrown for the only the receiver to catch it, and Sam Darnold's, you know, he's not that guy, and I'm not knocking him. He played great, but both defenses, like you said, played tremendous. The Patriots played a very brand style of bend but don't break defense, and just were waiting for their offense to come alive and show some life, and that just never transpired. And then obviously Seattle's defense as the game wore on just completely dominated as as time wore on. But also, I thought both special teams played great. Yes, I thought there was zero mistakes, you know. It it it would have been nice not to have that stupid kickoff because New England was gonna need something, even though it probably would have played out that you knew that onside kick was coming anyway. But taking away the element of surprise from that play is just one more detraction for me from the kickoff. Other than that, I thought it was a very well-played game by both defenses, both special teams. The only knock I could really have on if I had to knock somebody was the the Patriots' offensive line just was unable to stop the pass rush. I mean, Seattle got more and more relentless as the game wore on, and Drake May did not have time to throw.

SPEAKER_02

Well, it's not like Los Angeles was able to control them either. You know, the Rams weren't really able to control them. But and you have to remember, too, Sam Darnold had no interceptions in all the playoffs and Super Bowl. So there were no turnovers related to him, and that's a biggie. Absolutely. That's a biggie.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, he did everything, you know, we talked about them doing playing within himself, not being asked to do things that he isn't, you know, accustomed to doing outside of his game.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

Quarterback Play And O-Line Struggles

SPEAKER_00

You know, relying on him when they had to make a play, but not making him the focal point of the offense, which worked in their favor. And we also talked about when Charbonnet went down for Seattle, how that was kind of an addition by subtraction or plus-minus, if you will, that they could concentrate using one running back to solidify their offense rather than juggling two guys. And to his credit, you know, Walker the third is incredibly versatile running back, catching passes out of the backfield as well as running the ball, and that just added continuity to their offense through this postseason, and it showed in the Super Bowl he won the MVP.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Well, I have to say something else um about you know, one of the things I thought was the big difference in a game was coaching. I thought the uh and what's his name from Seattle? Uh McDonald's. McDonald coached an amazing game. He seemed to always have the call, the right call. I have to give him credit because it was almost a changing of the guard. Yeah. Because prior Super Bowls or prior playoff teams, we had these young, which he is, obviously, aggressive coaches, where they all went on fourth down. Well, he won the game by doing the opposite. Stuck to the point. By kicking field goals, took the points, knew it's a defensive game, it's not going to be a lot of points. Give me three, six, and it was nine-nothing shortly into the game. You know, three times they had the ball, three times it was nine-nothing. And rather going on that fourth down. We saw no tush-push. We didn't see any of that crap.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And you saw a good football game.

SPEAKER_00

I know the score was kind of boring or whatever.

SPEAKER_02

But well, it was only boring because you didn't win your game.

SPEAKER_00

It was a very well-played game, I thought, with the exception of, you know, the stalling offense. The first half I thought was good. The first half is typically low scoring in the Super Bowl. And at 9-0, the Patriots weren't out of it by any means. But opening the second half with a three-and-out was disastrous for them.

Seattle’s Run Game And Walker’s MVP

SPEAKER_02

So I thought something I thought I was thinking about something you said and said at length about the strength of schedule for New England. New England. And maybe at the end of the day, for a new coach, a new head coach, that the strength of schedule did them a disservice. That they had to pull back in and say, okay, let's do something different. Let's do they seemed to run the same plays, and they didn't work. And they didn't work the first time, the second time, or the third time. They never really got. And it seemed very evident to everyone else when they did do something different, like there was the end around where it was a toss to one of the really fast uh wide receivers or something.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And the time there was nothing, and and May ran that they were successful. And I don't know why that light didn't go off in their head, other than I guess they were were worried about taking a risk and causing a fumble or something if they got out of the box. But there just comes a time, cost-benefit analysis there, that you're like, all you got is risk. You want to win this game, all you have is risk. And it just didn't seem it seemed like going into the second half or in the end of the first half, that they almost said, our game isn't working, these guys are better. We give up.

SPEAKER_00

I didn't feel that they gave up. I felt that they stuck to their game plan and that they were not they were not necessarily ready to go with a plan B because it's not like they were getting blown out. Their defense was keeping them in the game. And for them all season long, they did make plays that you would consider home run plays, and I think they were just kind of waiting for that to happen. You know, that's Josh McDaniel and his, you know, he's who's got more experience in the Super Bowl than him as an offensive coordinator. So I think I don't know if that came from him or if it came from Vrabel. Let's just keep doing what we're doing. We're gonna break through. But for me, the the lack of touches by by Trevion Henderson, and I I know he got hurt a few weeks back. I don't know if that was a factor because he's their home run hitter. And right I thought that that was gonna be I was waiting for that to happen. I was like, there's gotta they gotta come out here in the second half. You know, they don't have to hit a home run, but they have to they have to do something to get points on the board, even if it's just a field goal, because if they come out from halftime and they don't score, I even texted Mike, if the Patriots don't score on this drive, I think they're cooked.

SPEAKER_02

And then later I texted you guys when I was on that text.

Coaching Philosophy And Taking The Points

SPEAKER_00

When Jackson Smith and Jigba came out of the game, I said, This is it, because now's your opportunity to score, stop them and score again when that guy's not on the field, and they just couldn't keep their defense. I mean, they were going three and out and three and out and not moving the ball and barely getting first downs, and it just seemed like they were waiting for the big play to happen, and they just couldn't connect, they couldn't get any spark out of their running game. The Seattle defense just completely controlled the offense the script line of scrimmage, and the Patriots never changed the plan, which I respect that. If you you know, we've talked about teams being down 14 points and they're still running the football, and you think uh do they think they're winning this game 14-0? But you know, this is a little different. This is the Super Bowl. At some point, you can't wait until you're in the time crunch hole to start chucking the ball down the field. Or you know, I I thought they like you said, at the end of that first half, they they could have maybe they could have taken a shot, but certainly to come out in the second half, it just seemed like the same thing. It didn't change anything.

SPEAKER_02

And well, it seemed to remind me of last year's game. I mean, you had a team, you had the Chiefs who adjust are ridiculous at adjusting their offense to try to try to win that the defense was so dominant last year that by Philadelphia they had their number, and the offensive line of Kansas City was so bad that no matter what they did, and i it was just a total collapse on Kansas City's part, and they still haven't recovered from it.

SPEAKER_00

Both teams threw the ball a lot more than they they should have. I think that that's what it comes down to is these, you know, these high-powered or high-tech, really, not high-powered, high-tech offenses with motion and slot and short passing, and sometimes they get too far ahead of themselves, and it might be too smart to read what's happening in the game.

SPEAKER_02

And I I don't think I've ever seen a back like I don't know, Williams, Kenneth Williams's Walker, Walker, the third. I don't think I've ever seen a back like I've never seen anybody so patient. And they talked about it. He would seem to get behind the line, he would get the ball, and he'd wait, and he'd wait for the opening, kind of stutter stepped, maybe step to the side, and all of a sudden, he's so explosive that he has that ability. And then soon as the explosive. I mean, it's ridiculous. He takes off in one of the runs that he really went for a while in the second half. One of the defensemen grabbed his arm and and he kept running, and finally the guy couldn't hold on. I mean, it was amazing, and you saw that again and again. And his explosive, and he's a free agent this year, which is amazing in itself, because he's the backup, right? Their main, their main guy got hurt.

Halftime Show, Global Expansion, And Money

SPEAKER_00

Well, they've been sharing, they've been sharing time all season until Charbonnet got hurt. I wouldn't say Charbonnet is the main guy. Um, they've both been sharing time all season long. And you know, not that fantasy football is a factor, but if you're a fantasy football player and you have either one of those running backs on your roster, you had a frustrating season. Right. Because one week one guy has all the the points, the other week the next guy has all the points, which worked for Seattle's offense for for a while to have kind of a balance. But but since Charbonnet went down, this offense has just exploded with points. I mean, they well, I mean, I know last night it was all field goals, but it's a little tougher. The Patriots defense is good. Um but uh the running game absolutely exploded, in my opinion, because like we talked about previously, the continuity changes when you know you have a feel for who's playing quarterback or who's in running back when you're an offensive lineman. And it sounds crazy, but it's kind of like the same thing as in baseball when one pitcher's on the mound and the defense is just raises their level of play because they know they have a chance to win or whatever it is. Or another guy's pitch and they know it's going to be a long day and it's a little more frustrating defensively and it lags offensively or whatever the case may be. But in this case, you have one guy playing running back, and and it I've always felt that you know the offensive line plays more cohesively when they are comfortable with who's leading them down the field.

SPEAKER_02

Right. Well, I I mean, there's a whole lot of things going on with the Seattle Seahawks. One is they have good ownership, and so does and and and obviously so does New England, but they have great ownership, and their new coach is old school.

SPEAKER_00

I mean from the hardware coaching family tree.

SPEAKER_02

Right. And he play, he they practice with pants, they go full speed at practice, they don't do the things that other teams do in today's world, and that has gotten all the players to buy in. If you heard every interview, great bunch of guys, where they're all there for each other, we love Sam Darnold. I mean, to me, all bought in. They're all bought in. And look what they got. They got the they got the world. And first of all, if you saw the interview with the coach, I mean, it's almost like a joke. He doesn't want to talk about himself.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So, I mean, that's something in it in itself, too.

SPEAKER_00

And he said to the team at the beginning of the season that he had to be a better public speaker, right? Which I found out yesterday. I thought that was incredible.

SPEAKER_01

I know.

SPEAKER_00

Because we did talk, you remember we were talking about Rex Ryan taking bullets for the team. Right. He's just so out there, it's all about him, but it protects the players. The players can say and do dumb things, and Rex will hold my beer and one up them and keep the focus on him. And not saying McDonald has to do that, but good for him for recognizing that and saying, hey, I gotta do a little bit better of a job, you know, protecting you guys from the media.

SPEAKER_02

And speaking of that, to change.

SPEAKER_00

But that works in Seattle. That might not work in New York.

SPEAKER_02

Did you see um, did you see Rex this morning on the get up? I missed it. So Rex, I mean, he couldn't stop saying, what an amazing coaching, what amazing coach. We say coaching doesn't matter. Here's your example, coaching Matt. He couldn't say enough good things about the Seattle coaching staff in its entirety, actually. And as we know, their defensive coordinator is going to offensive coordinator. Offensive coordinator is going to Kubiak. Yeah, Kubiak is going to uh the Raiders and basically I think left last night.

SPEAKER_00

He didn't even get uh they were like I missed the interview after the game, um, because I was busy, you know, counting other people's money, but I I I saw it this morning, I forgot the reporter's name. She asked him on the side uh on the field, and he's like, Yeah, it's up to God. And she's like, So you have no comment, you're not gonna tell us anything, you're not planning on, and he's like, Well, you guys already know I'm going to Las Vegas.

SPEAKER_02

Yep, and I'm leaving after the game. I think he left right after the game because you know, we're paying you, we're giving you a load of money, which he is getting a load of money, and and it's like, come on down, you you're ours now. That game's over.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So, you know, he doesn't really get a chance, and to really enjoy the kind of rememb reminds me of when the Rain New York Ranger hockey team won the Stanley Cup, and uh coach whose name skips me at the moment faxed in the next day I quit. See you later.

SPEAKER_00

It was the Knicks. That was uh No, no, it was Wasn't Pat Riley the one who sent the fax.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I think Pat Riley did it too, yeah. But but Pat Riley is but listen, whatever you want to say about Pat Riley, winner, winner, winner. I mean, he was he spoke when I worked years ago when I was uh a lonely shoe salesman at Nordstrom's in Paramus, New Jersey, he came and spoke to the employees, and I I've never seen anybody speak to a group of people like that in my life. I mean, he was just motivational altogether. I don't know what they paid him, but whatever it was, it was worth it. People really got motivated, and some people there changed their lives, not me, but other people did change their lives and and became, you know, realized that everything's important. And, you know, even if it seems your job is mundane, you could turn it into something more than mundane.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And that was, you know, that was he was a motivator. It didn't matter. I mean, look who he he coached the best of the best.

SPEAKER_00

And he still certainly did. And you still have to motivate guys.

SPEAKER_02

And you still have to motivate them. And he didn't really care what they thought. He caught about winning and winning and winning. And and that's what it's really all about when it comes to the professional sports, maybe not in basketball as much. And we'll we're gonna start talking about basketball a little bit more because there's some crazy things going on now where teams are teams uh you know, the the talk is today, you know, teams are starting to maneuver themselves to get the first draft pick now. So it's unbelievable. The fans mean nothing.

SPEAKER_00

It's all about money.

SPEAKER_02

It's all about money.

SPEAKER_00

It has nothing to do with winning. It really doesn't. It's just how can we sell our terrible season for next year by getting a higher draft pick?

Celebrity Tributes And Athlete Longevity

SPEAKER_02

And I think that's a good segue into the halftime show. Um if anyone out there thinks that the halftime show was some kind of woke statement or whatever you want to call it, I don't even know, not really sure what woke is, but I'm sure people thought that they're crazy. Because what it was is entirely about money, because the NFL is expanding to other countries. And a lot of other countries are looking to expand in and and market the NFL as it is to these other countries. They're increasing to nine games next year. And I I'm pretty sure the year after they want to do every every week. So there'll be one game, and so it'll be the NFL from 9 a.m. to 11 p.m. every Sunday. Um and I think they realize that there are, first of all, somebody somebody needs to pass around a map and let them realize that Puerto Rico is an American possession and that it's part of America. And, you know, whatever you want to say, bad bunny. And I don't, I've never listened to him in my life. First time I really saw him live was when he won uh a handful of Grammys the other night at the Grammys. I realized his entire thing was in Spanish. The only thing you didn't hear him say in Spanish was God bless America or I love America or whatever he said.

SPEAKER_00

His message was more about the continents and the countries as one and coming together, if you will.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00

So I I'd never listened to his music. I couldn't identify a song if I heard it. Realized a knock on him. I did watch the halftime show.

SPEAKER_02

He went to Puerto Rico when Puerto Rico's in a total disarray, and he did uh what do they call that where he does a whole bunch of shows um and and brought in to the to the country$400 million worth of revenue to the country. Businesses, people, of course. Well, even if it's just the local businesses give people uh time back. So so there's something to be said for that. I didn't I agree 100%. I listen, I saw the first Super Bowl, the second Super Bowl, the third Super Bowl. There was a long time that the big halftime show was a group called Up With People. And you guys could go look it up on YouTube. It's not even a marching band. It was a bunch of dancers that were probably hired right before, trained, and they played like musac through, you know, musak of cover songs and stuff through the PA system, and they danced around. The only thing I remember from it is, you know.

SPEAKER_00

There was no messaging, it was just entertainment. It was just, it was just filler.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And it was a song I know, up with people. It was really like it was every year you said to myself, why are we watching this? And it's all we have to take a break because the players got to go and do halftime. So they filled it with that. And then somewhere along the line that changed.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it changed because now, well, but there's a few factors, right? Money being the number one factor.

SPEAKER_02

But I think that was an NFL decision about expanding the brand in Spanish speaking areas.

SPEAKER_00

Listen, this every absolutely, this was a test run. And did it spike during the halftime show? And they watch all of that stuff. Okay, there's no it's not a conspiracy. I'm not making things up. Absolutely, you're 100% correct. They have to sell this product, and we always talk about the product being whether it's watchable or not. They're not concerned necessarily with the watchability of it, they're concerned with revenue. And if they think that they can make even more money hosting this game in Mexico, in Venezuela, in Cancun, in Puerto Rico, in wherever.

SPEAKER_02

In Bulgaria. I mean, uh, they don't care.

Legends Who Left Early And Legacy

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and these are gonna be listen, it's on a neutral site anyway. Okay, I understand there's people that are like we can't have the Super Bowl in a foreign country, that's ridiculous. But you know what? Where do you people vacation? Right? You go to exotic uh uh paradise type locations outside the United States, probably predominantly Mexico. Yeah, people go to Aruba, Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic, all these beautiful Central and South American places. So pump the brakes because you're not going to the Super Bowl anyway, probably. Who cares where they play it? You're just watching what's between the white lines. So, what difference does it make where it's played? It shouldn't make a difference to anybody. Now, you can argue that it should be an American city because of the revenue and the jobs and you know the the local community makes out, whatever. That's uh that's politics. Politics isn't everything, but it was a test run. They're gonna have this Super Bowl sometime in the future, probably in the next 10 years, in Mexico, maybe in London, maybe in Germany, anywhere they're promoting the brand. And maybe it becomes a thing that it skips instead of skipping American cities every year and a different location in America, you might get a five-year run, 10-year run where it's in another country and not even in the United States. So if they think that's going to make more money for them, that's what's gonna happen. If the market data comes back and says nobody watched the game, it really isn't gonna, it's not as popular as we think it. But if you watched the game last night, they had watch parties in all these other Central and South American cities. Did you see those parties? I was like partying at 3 a.m. in London. I was like the game.

SPEAKER_02

How come I didn't get invited to one of these parties? Exactly. Now I'm not saying the NFL doesn't help sponsor them or make things happen.

SPEAKER_00

Maybe they do, but you gotta spend money to make money.

SPEAKER_02

Good for them. I mean, listen, this is a business.

SPEAKER_00

That's Americana right there. That's capitalism.

SPEAKER_02

If it makes the game better, do it.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know that it makes the game better.

SPEAKER_02

But at the end of the day, now it now it's now they're water in the grass, right? They planted some seeds. Yep. They're watering the grass.

SPEAKER_00

It's funny you say that because the halftime show had people dressed as grass.

SPEAKER_02

I know. And I I kind of like, I mean, did I understand a word? And I and I speak a little Spanish. Boy, I I wish I hadn't said that.

SPEAKER_00

But I took five years of it and I still can't speak it.

SPEAKER_02

I he was like 100 miles an hour. I didn't get it. I got a few words where he was talking about things. And uh I I heard him say Trump maybe once. Um, and then and then it was great. And then Lady Gaga, which was a shock.

SPEAKER_00

Well, the football, you had the message on the football, America Together. I I thought the message was good. I thought this was a complete whiff. I mean, I don't want to talk politics, but I thought the president of the United States completely got this wrong. This was an opportunity for him to bring people together, and he didn't do that. Okay. I don't know what Kid Rock did to bring people together. He wanted to have some tell people to go read the Bible. Well, guess what? The majority of Central and South American people are Christian and conservative minded, if you will. So you missed a boat. You you could have extended it. Uh did you see any films ambassadorship here and you did nothing.

SPEAKER_02

Did you see any films of it? All you did was curse and scream. I'm like Right. Yeah, Charlie Kirk's wife.

SPEAKER_00

I didn't I didn't see it. I watched the Super Bowl, I watched the halftime show. I thought if there was anything spectacular that happened elsewhere, I would see it later. And I didn't I didn't get any text messages about it. I didn't get people blowing up my phone. Oh, did you see what Kid Rock did? So it didn't mean anything to them.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

Broadcast Booth, Ads, And Brand Power

SPEAKER_00

And I'm not, you know, I'm not knocking him personally. It's not a I like Kid Rock. I I mean I don't believe him, but the messaging is what's what's most important. You can use the Super Bowl for positivity. That's what this guy did, right? That's what Bad Bunny did. At least absolutely. I'm sure there will be detractors out there today and all this week saying they were there's this and there's that, you know, all the conspiracy theories. I didn't see that, okay. And although I don't understand most of what he said, the music was good. I thought the entertainment was good or watchable, if you will. Some things I didn't understand. But uh when you saw the people climbing the poles and the the power grid thing, I thought that was pretty powerful. And I said when I came back from the Dominican Republic, and I've never been to Puerto Rico, this is a problem that can be fixed. If there's billions of dollars being spent and made on the Super Bowl, you could fix that problem. Do they deserve a power grid that works? Of course they do. And what better place to install something than it not to refer to the country as a test site? But that's where you can do this. You can put this stuff underground and where it belongs and rebuild and make their lives better. They are Americans. So, you know, I know that's a debate for another time. It's not a sports-related, I don't want to get into politics, but I thought the messaging was cool. I thought the halftime show was okay, and I didn't have a problem with it.

SPEAKER_02

So also, I mean, in the beginning of the whatever you want to say about the NFL, you know, they all said all kinds of things. You notice on the back of their helmets and everything, it said the name of the team, and there used to be the the messages about they weren't there.

SPEAKER_00

I wasn't watching that closely. I think it's a good idea.

SPEAKER_02

And you also also noticed they started out with two big time stars that sung America of the Beautiful, amazing job, and the star spangled banner of Charlie Pooth. A ma um I don't know if you know who he is, but he's you wanna you wanna see Charlie Pooth, he looks like a nobody kid, he's not that much of a kid, go on the internet and search the women he's dated in his life. And it's like a who's who of every woman that's been in Maxim magazine. Yeah. So and he's very talented, he writes lots of music. He wrote that, he wrote that song that I did the little video with my my dog that I showed you a while ago, the song from Best and the Furious, where the uh the one actor died in a pla in uh in a car crash.

SPEAKER_00

Paul Walker.

SPEAKER_02

And he wrote the song that where he drives away into the sunset at the end, and they use his brother, uh, who's an identical twin, I think. They use his brother and they use some CGI to show him driving off. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, to me it was a lot to do about nothing. I agree.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, sports fans aren't I mean people are pushing a narrative that are not even sports, you know, historically enjoy watching the games.

SPEAKER_02

And this is my overview. Historically, the halftime shows were meant to bring in watchers to the Super Bowl that weren't gonna watch the football, but they came to watch it because they wanted to see you two or Prince, who is Prince is is is one of his great performances of all time.

SPEAKER_00

Who Aerosmith, Michael Jackson, right?

SPEAKER_02

Prince sings Purple Rain, and the and in the middle of all the purple light and dressed in purple, it starts to rain, and he and he finishes a song. So, I mean, you couldn't have planned it any more than that, but yeah. And that was one of his great performances, you know. Tragically, like, you know, he died like others who addicted to painkillers and and and those kinds of things.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's sad. Um you would think that celebrities would have more protection from things like that happening to them, but they're they're people just like us, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Well, it's pretty much the opposite, right? It's the opposite that people give uh look at Amy Winehouse, look at, you know, even famous sayers that they gave them these drugs.

SPEAKER_00

Well, not Janice Chaufflin.

SPEAKER_02

Well, they gave them these drugs to keep them going and be able to perform, and it goes on and on and on. But you got it with Judy Garland, those kinds of things. And you know Jim Morrison. Right. You can't you can't be. Listen, what do we all know for sure? We can't do what we did when we were 18. So imagine, imagine, right? I don't care what aspect of life it is.

SPEAKER_00

I sat on my couch and watched the Super Bowl for the first time in 10 years.

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SPEAKER_02

I I I can't believe what aspect of life it is. You can't do what you do at an 18. And these stars, dancers, singers, whatever, you know, and you have this physical ability to think of McDonna, what she did when she first came up. These big shows, dancing, singing, whatever. I remember I saw her once, they had dancers at Madison Square Garden, I saw her a couple times. I saw the dancers dove off the upper deck and did a roll off a platform that was in the sky, like, and rolled rolled onto the stage and stood up and kept dancing. I mean, you're not doing that. And and uh, and uh, I'll give you another example of that. When you're 40 years old and you try to win another gold medal because you're Lindsay Vaughn, she blows her knee out, blows the ACL out two weeks ago, and then a strange turn of events, her arm gets caught on a gate and she ends up breaking her leg. And our bone, our bones aren't what they used to be at 40, they are when you're 18. You know, things aren't, and I'm and I'm pretty sure at 66, gonna be 67 in a couple months, my boats would are snapping, going up and down stairs. So um unfortunately, I think it's sports even more than anywhere in that there comes a time you have to realize that you're not what you used to be, and your body can't do it anymore. And I'll tell you a story that was told to be like I said, I had a family member at one time who played in the NFL, and he played for the Washington Redskins, and he played uh an ex-family member, I should say. He played from 1959 to 1971 or two or something. And so he and you know, his really good friend just he had paid, he's passed for years, his really good friend, who was quarterback of the Redskins, who just passed away two days ago. Sonny Jorgensen, really good friend of his. And he said when he played under the coach, I forget who the coach was in the 60s, Lombardi was the coach, he played under him, and then George Allen came in, and George Allen said to him, You know, how long do you want to keep doing this? And he goes, Your body's not gonna make it anymore. And he said, No, I feel fine. So George Allen pulled out a video of him just walking, and his gait was so bad that he said to George, Oh my god, I never realized because the mindset, the mind is still there.

SPEAKER_03

Sure.

SPEAKER_02

Right? The mind is like an 18, 20 year old can run through walls.

SPEAKER_00

His legs warning lights and sensors.

SPEAKER_02

And and he retired from watching that video of the way he walked. Because he was afraid one day he wasn't gonna be able to walk at all.

SPEAKER_00

You think about DiMaggio, who retired at 36, I think. Right. And mentioned that he heard people criticizing him and saying that he lost the step or he didn't have it anymore. And he said, Well, you know, if that's the case, it's time for me to hang it up. And I think over time he took some criticism for that, but later, you know, people kind of respected the decision more because he didn't hold on too long. I think we got robbed, maybe. I mean, I wasn't alive, but I think we got robbed of maybe a couple more seasons of of greatness, and maybe he would have hit 500 home runs. I don't know, but you know, everybody comes to that point, and some people come to it sooner rather than later. Jim Brown retired at 29, Rocky Marciano, 29 years old. Though boxing is different, I mean it's got to be like dog ears the way they compete, they take a beating, uh especially those days. Yeah, you know, uh Barry Sanders, right? He left early.

SPEAKER_02

I heard a great interview with him.

SPEAKER_00

So you you know, people have to know their limitations, and you know, there's other things in life that are more important than sports, obviously, like family and just you know, community if you're minded so minded, but everybody's different. You know, we we thirst for the best and we want to see our athletes and our heroes live forever, but uh you know, it doesn't always work out that way.

SPEAKER_02

It's funny with Barry Sanders, you know, in his era, which is doesn't seem like that long ago, so I forget where he went to college, but Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State, and who was the other running back at the time?

SPEAKER_00

Thurman Thomas and Emmons.

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SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so Thurman Thomas was two years ahead of him in Oklahoma State. So he told stories about being behind Thurman Thomas. And Emmons a little bit great back. Emmett's a little bit later. Thurman Thomas is great back. Barry Sanders, I mean, he talked about, listen, I realized that you know the free agency what wasn't then what it is now, if at all, right? So he couldn't just go to another team because he wasn't happy, he realized that Detroit was not gonna win. They would have won already, right? Yeah they're year after year, they're having the same issues, same issues, same issues. And um and he was tired instead of the fight. He wasn't loyal.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he he left and didn't play rather than take his his talents elsewhere, if you will, which he could have. I mean, any other 30, well, at the time, 27 teams uh would have 28, whatever teams would have would have taken him for sure.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, he he wasn't past his prime. I I think he was knee deep in his prime. So was Jim Brown. Jim Brown was knee deep in his prime, and Jim Brown could be the greatest football player ever to live, in my mind. I I think there are two people that could be the greatest athlete that ever lived.

SPEAKER_00

Right, he was in the top five, maybe top three.

SPEAKER_02

Right. He was the greatest lacrosse player in the country, played with the Syracuse, so could be, could be, but in his era it was different. You know, he went and and he had he had changed his mind. He had a little bit of a movie career coming out.

SPEAKER_00

He wanted to be an actor, he was enjoying that, I think.

SPEAKER_02

Yep, and he walked away.

SPEAKER_00

And and Paris they were making all this money back then either.

SPEAKER_02

So and the civil rights movement had a big deal to do with it. He was absolutely he was good, he was friends with a lot of people in the civil rights movement.

SPEAKER_00

And he and he answered the bell.

SPEAKER_02

And and not for anything, he he was probably I would say the two greatest football players I ever saw, and I never really saw Jim Brown, was him, I would say him and Lawrence Taylor. Uh to me, those are the two athletes that changed football in my mind. I mean, certainly Tom Brady's one of the greatest quarterbacks ever to live, but he didn't really change the game. He learned how to play the game better than anybody else and what it took to win. Where Lawrence Taylor really changed the game, his ability to chase down people and whatever. Quarterbacks, coaches, coached to stop Lawrence Taylor. And and and it was it changed, he changed the game. So to me, Jim Brown, and only because he was so dominant, and you know, I don't think you have that in other sports other than Tiger Woods, greatest golfer ever to live. Certainly there are others, but Tiger Woods' dominance in his year is ridiculous. And obviously, Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan's competitive nature and pure skill and will to win. Is second to none. So I mean, you can argue about others. Muhammad Ali, certainly one of the greatest boxers ever to live. He would tell you Jack Johnson, who was his idol, was the greatest boxer, but hard to compare eras like that.

SPEAKER_00

But I got a text from Don here that said uh DiMaggio retired due to the embarrassment that he was put through with the release of the 1951 Giant Scouting report for the World Series that said DiMaggio had only one throw per game left in his arm. It was released to the press, and I guess DiMaggio was mortified and retired. Per my source.

SPEAKER_02

Per your source. Per my source on other many other podcasts on my other channel. We're gonna have to go by it.

SPEAKER_00

Thanks, Tom.

SPEAKER_02

Thanks, Tom. That's what happens when you have one listener. They're the only one paying attention.

SPEAKER_00

Well, it's a good time to plug the John Lennon podcast. Let it fly.

SPEAKER_02

Well, we did. If you want to check out History's Agenda is my other podcast, uh are we're doing a couple of things. I I I'm doing a series of, and Dom and I should say are doing a series of podcasts about assassinations called I Call It The Assassination Game. We've obviously done stuff on JFK. I'm looking to do something on RFK, and and I I did we did a really, really good one uh that I'm proud of, actually, uh about um about John Lennon, and it's already, I don't know, 6,000 downloads.

SPEAKER_00

I watched it the other night. It was incredible. I watched it with Dom, actually, and it was very good.

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SPEAKER_02

Hasn't even been out a week. And like Justin and I, we're just fledgling podcast guys that turn the camera on and you know, use our ingenuity for whatever that's worth, and a little bit of research and just talk about things that we think others want to talk about. So that that used to be called The Better Life New York was originally called The Better Life, where we talked about food and things, and then it became Better Life New York, and now it's history's agenda where we're focused on history. The other thing we're doing on that channel as well is I'm doing historical with historical podcasts about historical events, not just assassinations, which are historical events. But we're looking, because the two anniversary of America, we're doing a series on the Founding Fathers. We did John Adams, we're doing George Washington this week, and in between, we did John Quincy Adams, which we call the Founding Son. And those podcasts are available on YouTube and audio in uh in all audio series, which are um on a podcast called As of the First of the Year, History's Agenda. And you can go back and look at our JFK stuff. I did JFK stuff, assassinations with Jack and Dom. We just did a round table where the two of them talk about what they thought was important to us, and I got numerous Everett. It's amazing when you talk about something that everybody thinks. And we do our podcasts, not to get off the subjects, but we do our podcasts like this, and I think we do the sports podcast much like that, is that we talk about the facts. We talk about the way we see things. We don't know what the answer is. We leave that up to you to make the decision. Leave that up to the listeners to come to a conclusion. And it's the same way when we talk about assassinations. We know, you know, things we believe, things that people have said, statements people made, investigations that turned up, reports. We talk about facts. And we really we could a lot of people out there say, we know. Well, you may think you know. I mean, we I got so many, we were talking about on the JFK assassination, about when they removed his body from the plane when they landed in New York, whether it was in a body bag, whether it was in a and there were like five different long comments I got from people. You guys are wrong. It was in a pine box, it was this, it was that, his head was in a separate area. I mean, like, I'm like, how the heck do you know? I mean, how does anybody know? Right. I mean, no one knows. Not even the people that lived it know.

SPEAKER_00

It's incredible. It's incredible.

SPEAKER_02

And it's it's yeah, everybody has an opinion, you know, opinions are like, you know what?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So everybody has one.

SPEAKER_02

So, yes, thank you for bringing that up. And uh, I would love everyone who listens to this podcast, which are a lot of people. I mean, we've had some good downloads. The one we did with the coach has over 11,000 downloads now, and that is my best podcast I've done. And I've done lots of them. And we've gotten better.

SPEAKER_00

We'll have you back on soon because he's leaving for uh Austria soon. So we'll have him on before April for sure.

SPEAKER_02

And and just to talk about this podcast for a little bit, we realize this is the end of the football season. There's gonna be a lot to talk about because the NFL has made it that it's a conversation year-round, which it certainly used to be. We're gonna be talking about when it comes to the NFL, we're gonna be talking about draft, we're gonna bring in guests, we're gonna talk about hockey, we're gonna talk about basketball. First F1 race is March 8th. So that's a month less than a month. Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Less than a month.

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SPEAKER_02

And right now they've been their new cars because they changed everything. Their new cars are being tested. So we'll be looking for that. And by the way, if anybody didn't notice we're watching the games, um, Hamilton was with Kim Kardashian at the Super Bowl yesterday. Sorry. So Lewis Hamilton and Kim Kardashian. So you kind of say, listen, he may be the nicest guy she's ever dated because he seems like an incredibly nice guy. He's probably the richest guy he ever died with because he makes a lot of money.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And has for a long time. One of the things I learned about Hamilton, and I watched something about him the other day. There's a new show on Netflix, which is really interesting about him, is his parents happen to be most racers' parents are rich because it cost a fortune. His parents are poor, and I don't know, poor, but don't have means. Um his father worked three jobs to be able to him to race go-karts. And when he was a kid, 10 years old, he said, No, I'm gonna race F1, I'm gonna race F1. He's 10 years old. But he had that will and drive. And what happened was that McLaren had a training program. And they took McLaren took him under their wing and allowed to pay and pay their way so he was able to train. And his first year as a racer in F1, he almost won the championship. He lost by one point. That's how good of a racer he was and is. So that's coming. So any of you F1 fans, which I'm sure both of you are out there that listen to us, I don't know if anybody listens to us for F1, but I love F1.

SPEAKER_00

You got me interested, so I I'll be, I'll, I'll certainly check it out now.

SPEAKER_02

Well, it's it's on Apple TV Plus now. So if you have Apple TV Plus, you don't have to subscribe to the F1 app anymore. Apple TV Plus is carrying all the races. They already have some of the interviews and breakdowns. And I'm telling you, and I'm almost positive, Lewis ain't retire until he wins another championship, and he's going to do it. His will is unbelievable. I think he's like 39 or 40 years old now. And you know.

SPEAKER_00

I didn't think he was that old.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I think he is. And, you know, seven time or whatever he is, world champion. He's looking for number eight. And there's a lot of people out there that are trying to win.

SPEAKER_00

Switching back to the Super Bowl, what did you think of the broadcast itself?

SPEAKER_02

Well, I may like Chris Kyle Collinsworth as a player or something. I don't like him as a broadcaster. Even though that every every time I said something, he said it right after me when I was sitting in the room.

SPEAKER_00

It makes it sound like he's rewriting a historical document for everyone to participate over. I don't particularly care for him as a broadcaster. I like Tarico a lot. Tariko's got a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02

I like Tarico a lot.

SPEAKER_00

Incredible job because he's not only was he doing the Super Bowl last night, we were saturated with NBC and the Olympics. And the cross-pollination of them hosting the Olympics plus the Super Bowl was too much for me. So I thought the NFL probably has to rethink how they handle that. Absolutely. Jeez, I forgot what in Italy. The Olympics are in Italy, right?

SPEAKER_02

They're in Milan, yeah. So I not my favorite, not my favorite city in your in Italy, but I mean it's not bad, don't get me wrong. It's not the city. So maybe I didn't like it because when I flew from uh in the middle of the night, we left at like six o'clock to get there early in the morning, and it was a hundred degrees in Milan. It was the hottest summer ever, and for some reason they didn't have any room for the plane at the terminal, so we had to get off on the middle of the tarmac and carry our luggage. They pulled all our luggage off the plane, plopped it down the middle of the tarmac, and had to carry your luggage all the way across the tarmac into the terminal.

SPEAKER_00

Oh.

SPEAKER_02

So after not sleeping for an entire night, I had to be 140 degrees on the tarmac. It was so hot. And um but I was younger.

SPEAKER_03

Much.

SPEAKER_02

I don't remember how old I was, but I was much younger. Must have been at least a hundred years younger at that point. I'm trying to think about it and I don't.

SPEAKER_00

I I didn't there was a lot going on. There was so much promotion. I mean, I know it's a Super Bowl, but some of the commercials were really cool. I liked the Duncan commercial with Jennifer Aniston and Ben Affleck. That was definitely a shame for my generation, for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Was funny and and um at least memorable. And you knew what the product was.

SPEAKER_00

I thought all the one was like, what are they promoting? Like Coinbase had a commercial, and I was like, who's going on Coinbase right now?

SPEAKER_02

The Coinbase was a horrible commercial.

SPEAKER_00

Horrible commercial. I was what is this commercial for?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, well, the other the other one was Squarespace with um what's her name, the actress, and and like she was unable to get her name and and Squarespace, which I mean the names are controlled by Squarespace.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_02

And she was looking to get her, you know, her name.com. Famous actress, I don't know what me in a minute, but magnificent actress at that. And um she's in La La Land. She was in a lot of things. And uh, just thought some of the commercials were beyond weird.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, try too hard, I think.

SPEAKER_02

There are a couple religious commercials. I don't know if you caught them because you didn't know it at the end. There was like a little a little thing at the bottom. Um the Clydesdale one modified Clydesdale one uh was funny. Right, considering that all that beer is now made in the Netherlands, um because because Anis Bush isn't owned by an American anymore, it's owned by the a company from Anch is owned by uh I should know this.

SPEAKER_00

I can't remember. Heineken or whatever those ones out there. Yeah, it's something it was a change in law or something that allowed that sale to happen.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's only it's only beer. Who cares? So who cares about it?

SPEAKER_00

It is only beer, but it just goes to show you how powerful marketing and advertising is in this country where they can't just let a company fail or or a family business run its course and let something else take over. It just has to keep rebranding itself over and over again.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, well, they had to do something because marketing was not their forte for a little bit.

SPEAKER_00

They took model for success being the place I work at owned a family-owned business for 71 years with no advertising and will always be owned by the same family, or they'll be going out of business. And no one will ever be able to replicate that or take it over, and I think that's the way it should be. There's something to be said for that.

SPEAKER_02

Well, because it's the products and it's the environment, and it's what you sell is is what exists. And every time you go there, um, every time you go there, you're reminded, oh yeah. You know, and and I said to myself, I used to come here in law school. You know, with my friends, I'd cut out a, you know, I thank God I don't practice criminal law because uh me and three of my friends sat in the back of their criminal procedure class, and it was a thing on who would get up first. Because you wanted to get up first and pretend like you were going to the men's room or something, and you didn't want to be the last one after the other three guys left. So you kind of you kind of were like doing one of these, and then as soon as the professor turned his head, you got up and left. And thank God I don't press criminal law because I don't know anything about criminal procedure. I mean, I've done some arraignments, but in federal court, not state court. I would never try to do one in state court. And that's uh and the ones I did in federal court were RICO cases, which is only thing I know about the criminal procedure, criminal law is RICO statute, unfortunately. Only because I used to practice civil RICO, so one blended into the other. So we have a lot of things coming. Is there anything else we want to say about the Super Bowl other than it's over?

SPEAKER_00

Did you win any money?

SPEAKER_02

Um I broke even. You know me, I hedge I hedged whatever. But the grand scheme of things, it wasn't more than$30, I bet, or whatever. So they're not making any money, but I hedged all my bets. Um whatever. But that's what happens when you do a really good pool that costs a lot of money. Oh, well. So if I include that money, yeah, maybe I did lose a little bit. But um so needless to say, next week we're gonna talk about basketball, we're gonna talk about hockey, uh, we're gonna talk about whatever transpires about the teams that can't hire any coaches, though I do think Kyler Murray is gonna go to Miami.

SPEAKER_00

I can see that fresh start.

SPEAKER_02

I think they're looking to get rid of him. They've kind of made it known, and for some reason they almost talked about flip-flopping their quarterbacks. Which would be interesting.

SPEAKER_00

I you know mean to go into Arizona. I mean, if Miami's able to unload the contract, good for them.

SPEAKER_02

I don't think there would have to be some recourse, but you know, Justin and I's point of view are the same on on Tua. We would like to him to take his money and go away. Because he's just too physically he's fragile.

SPEAKER_00

I'm afraid he's gonna get hurt.

SPEAKER_02

He's fragile.

SPEAKER_00

Permanently hurt, bad, you know.

SPEAKER_02

And we're not we're not talking about breaking a leg here. We're talking about concussions, his brain, his things. These things are gonna keep happening to him, and they're gonna happen to him in more frequency, and he needs to walk away. And just like we talked about it before, about people not knowing when to walk away. Two is obviously he's got a big contract. They gave him lots of money. No one has any idea why. And that's and we have a lot of new coaches, they're gonna make try to make really good moves, and the jets are gonna do nothing.

SPEAKER_00

And that's just incredulous what's going on with the Jets. I mean, really, it's beyond the scope of my bandwidth to understand now how how deeply terrible they really are. So and I knew they were, and I still can't understand it.

SPEAKER_02

Deeply terrible from a management standpoint, from an executive standpoint.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely. The organization is the worst organization in sports, and that includes the Browns. I mean, think of other franchises that are that are in that category of never winning anything ever. They're they're so whether the top of it or the bottom, whatever, they're they're the pinnacle of terribleness.

SPEAKER_02

Well, the Browns weren't the Browns. The original Browns all moved, right? Wherever they went, they went to Baltimore. Yeah. So so I mean, the original Browns had a long history years ago of of winning. Before the Super Bowl. Um before the Super Bowl, right. So um. But there's a lot of things, you know, you're gonna worry, think about what's gonna happen in Green Bay. Um you have some new stadiums being built, and people are packing up and leaving and going to other places. Now you wonder, even in Buffalo, what's gonna happen there? It's almost like a mystery. Um, they have a new stadium coming in a year or so. It's not next year, it's the year after. I thought it was this year. Oh, maybe it's this year. Is Kansas City the year after? Is that the one?

SPEAKER_00

Kansas City is a little further down the road.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Um, and you know, where everyone's gonna find out that there's Kansas City, Kansas, and Kansas City, Missouri. And, you know, so I wonder if they're gonna rename the team.

SPEAKER_00

You have to wonder. I mean, that's that's an incredible move.

SPEAKER_02

I don't think those owners are ever renaming the team. I mean, too long a history. I mean, Hunt is the.

SPEAKER_00

The stadium's not being built in a prominent city, though. Right?

SPEAKER_02

No, it's like outside of Kansas City, Missouri, I think. Are they in Kansas City, Kansas now? I don't know. No, they're in Mississippi. Are they in Missouri or they're in Missouri? So Kansas City, Kansas, if you ever saw the two cities, one is beautiful, one is beat up. And they're going from beautiful to beat up. So anyone any listeners are.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, you hope they have a long-term plan.

SPEAKER_02

Because somebody's paying.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. You still wanna you still wanna do something to better the community, you know?

SPEAKER_02

And there's a lot of things gonna go on. Uh, believe me, there are gonna be a lot of movement in loss in Las Vegas. You're gonna see a lot of moves, you're gonna you're gonna be drafted number one, you're gonna have to put a team around him. There's gonna be, listen, Tom Brady is pulling a lot of strings there, and he learned from two of the best future Hall of Famers there are Tom Brady, Belichick, and Kraft, ownership coaches. He's gonna believe me, he's gonna follow that model and make a great team there.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I I I imagine they're gonna be. Someone mentioned yesterday that they weren't gonna take Mendoza number one. And I said, unless he has a disaster of a combine, I I I just don't see that happening.

SPEAKER_02

Unless he blows his shoulder out, they're not come on. They're gonna take him even even to put him up and uh trade him. They're gonna take him.

SPEAKER_00

Their position was that they're gonna they're gonna draft a defensive player, number one, or or trade the pick, and then take a quarterback next year, which I I I think they're they're an incredible position. Yeah, but who knows? A quarterback, so who knows?

SPEAKER_02

First of all, look at his performance. That means that you're taking the risk that you're gonna be in a place to be able to get a quarterback. Your hope is so who are you using for quarterback this year? You gotta answer that question.

SPEAKER_01

I I I I can't imagine they're gonna move forward with Gino Smith. I mean, he's not taking Kyler Murray again. Right.

SPEAKER_00

Well, are there any ex Jats available? Because that would be you know, that would be the most likely choice, I guess. Because they I mean they already got Geno, but you know, maybe they can get uh Zach Wilson out. Miami and turn him around to another reclamation.

SPEAKER_02

How bad a mistake did Gino turn out to be? I mean, he really played.

SPEAKER_00

Something's missing there that I think is a coaching thing. That's the only thing I can come up with.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I think the I thought the coach wasn't the reason regardless. I think Seattle realized that he had lost a step, if not two, and didn't rehire him for that reason. Or fire him or whatever they did.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. They upgraded their position. That's that's pretty much what it came down to. Then they had they had Kubiak come in and Kubiak said, you know, this kid's good. Meaning Darnold, let's, you know, you can take a chance on him. And that he became available, you know, is is even more shocking because he won 14 games with Minnesota and they just completely abandoned them. They have to, I you know, who's hurting worse right now? The Jets fans, Minnesota fans? You know, who's who's on the hook worse here? Uh Rams fans gotta be kicking themselves right now. Or at least I don't mean the fans, the organizations.

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But you know probably, probably Minnesota. I mean, he won 14 games, and yes, that he folds up a little bit at the end, but maybe that's your fault, not his fault.

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Right. It was an easy scapegoat. And they didn't trade him, they just let him go, they didn't sign him. And it's not like they replaced him with Aaron Rodgers and or or a or a veteran. They went, and I and I'm not knocking JJ, but they they decided to go with the rookie in the future, and that was it. And they completely abandoned that they had this 14-win team and they restarted. I mean, give them credit if that's you know, that's their plan, and they see something in JJ that that's where they're headed, that's where they want to be, and maybe they thought this was a a one-year-wonder type situation, or that they caught lightning, lightning in a bottle, you know, something somewhere inside the organization said this is smoke and mirrors, or this is an aberration, or this is an anomaly, and they decided to move forward. So I I'll give them credit for that, but they better they better be bringing JJ along and and you know, protect him and get him up to speed. And because Sam Darnold played great for them, and then they just completely went away from that because they I guess they didn't want to pay him.

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So that's what it was all about. It was all about the buddy.

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Like we started the show, it's always about money.

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So I think we can end it there. We look forward to everyone next week. Is there anything else? Please like and subscribe. Please make your donation to put it up again.

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Galatahouse.

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Pull it back a little bit. Here it is. Justin takes the plunge. And it has nothing to do with a stuffed up toilet. Come on, that was a bad joke. Having said that, we have a lot of great stuff coming. Basketball, hockey. Anything else we could think of? F1.

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Yeah, we'll be uh we'll have Alex Lyon on, I think, in the next week or two during the break, hopefully. And we'll get Keith Spillet on to talk a little basketball, maybe just before the tournament, or maybe during the tournament, and then we'll have uh hopefully we'll have Coach Herman on again for the draft or maybe pre-draft, and then uh also Matt Bernstein will join us again to probably go through talking about the combine.

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Great. Thank you everyone. I hope you enjoyed the Super Bowl. I'm sure we did. Did we? We did.

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I sure did.

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