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Jets And Giants Draft Reactions With The Picks That Shocked Everyone

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The NFL Draft has turned into a traveling mega-event, but the real story is how weird the decision-making feels once the picks start flying. We walk through the night from a fan and team-builder perspective, starting with the Jets and Giants and the choices that could define their next few seasons. Why does one team prioritize an edge rusher, another trades for a massive offensive tackle, and everyone argues over whether a quarterback was taken a round too early?

We get specific on the players and the logic: the Jets’ top defensive swing, the “reach” debate at quarterback, and the always-loaded question of drafting a tight end in Round 1. On the Giants side, we break down how stabilizing the trenches competes with the temptation to grab a blue-chip defender like Caleb Downs and how Dallas stepping in can change the entire draft board in the NFC East. Along the way, we hit bigger NFL Draft strategy topics like trades, positional value, depth in the middle rounds, and why “win now” teams still draft like they’re planning for 2028.

Then we pull the camera back even further. We talk about how college football NIL money is reshaping who enters the draft and why undrafted free agents may matter more than ever. And because it’s a full sports weekend, we pivot to F1 returning in Miami and a Kentucky Derby preview that covers pace, post positions, trainers, jockeys, odds value, and the horses we’d actually put into exotics.

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Welcome To Sports Live

SPEAKER_02

Hello everyone and welcome to Sports Live with Steven Justin. This week we go over the massive the massive draft about what happened, where happened, and why it happened. If you think we can answer that, you're a better man than me. Here on Sports Live with Steve and Justin. Hello, Justin. How are you?

SPEAKER_03

Good afternoon, Steve. How are you feeling?

SPEAKER_02

Um so I I made all these screens to bring up about the draft, since we're going to talk about the draft, to list all the giant people and the jet people, and who was drafted, and what round they went in and where they came from. And I put all those together. And I brought I bought this new kind of equipment so we could load them in and watch them and talk about them with them being on the screen so everybody knows what we're talking about. Well, you had to save them, which I did on this little teeny card. You see this little thing?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And when I while I'm doing it, a judge called and he wanted to have a court conference with somebody about one of my cases. And I'm like, sure, Your Honor, what am I gonna say? No. I'm about to do a podcast. So, right? And and it turns out he's the judge on like three other cases that I'm doing. So I'm about to I finally get it open, I get the plastic, I pull it back, pull back the plastic, I go to grab it out.

SPEAKER_03

Oh no. It's on the floor with those Lego pieces.

SPEAKER_02

I I listen, there is no way in the world you could figure out where that went in this room.

SPEAKER_03

We'll have to get you a Roomba.

Why The Draft Felt Different

SPEAKER_02

I mean, it I I'm not even gonna look for it. I'm gonna have to buy another one. Oh man. But but we're gonna be able to like charts and things. I push a button, it's gonna come up, we're gonna be able to talk about it. If the little videos, you can push a button, they're gonna come up, we're gonna be able to talk about it. The only the only thing is, is on that when I do that, you won't see me unless I install another camera, which I also can do. But um that's the story. I'm sticking to it. And here we are. So we saw the NFL draft, and to me, it was the weirdest draft I remember. A lot of people didn't even show up, kind of like a COVID thing. The number one draft pick had a party at his house, and it looked that house looked bigger than Radio City Music Hall where they used to have the uh it was gigantic. There were hundreds of people outside around the pool.

SPEAKER_03

It is really a tremendous event what goes into putting on this show. I mean, they had something like 300,000 people plus at the draft in Pittsburgh. It's amazing what it's turned into for sure.

SPEAKER_02

It's really crazy.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, people are eating it up. I mean, it's good for the cities. I think it's good that they rotate it now. Um, you know, usually I'm a fan of tradition and keeping things the same, but they've given these cities and teams something to look forward to, and the fans are able to travel, and everybody kind of seemingly has a piece of this. So it's uh it's it's certainly something to behold. I couldn't believe when I saw the crowd. I mean, it looked like an inauguration. It was incredible. Giving me second thoughts on us doing a live podcast from the draft next year, if there's gonna be that many people. I don't know where we don't worry.

SPEAKER_02

Don't worry, we're not getting past security unless we go to a presidential function. The security is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I can imagine. But it looked like a good time. People said they had a good time, you know. I think people enjoy the experience. I mean, I I I would love to go. I think I still would rather go to the combine, which is probably way more boring than the draft, but I agree. In terms of attendance, but it's much less.

SPEAKER_02

You think I'm gonna make it if I have to pee in that crowd to the bedroom?

SPEAKER_03

Well, yeah, we'll stand near the portion.

Jets Picks And Team Needs

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that's gotta have a great, a great odor to it. Anyway, so let's let's start with the Jets. All right. Okay. What's interesting about the Jets, their first pick, of course, David Bailey. They were big on him. They really liked him, Texas Tap. I mean, if you're looking for an edge, you can't really complain about the guy.

SPEAKER_03

No, I don't think so. I mean, he was clearly the top talent at the position in the draft. You know, we talk we talked about this draft being, you know, light, and I think the comps for all the guys at the top were lighter than you'd like for first-round picks. It's not a knock against these guys. You can't compare everybody to a Hall of Famer. You can only go by what they do. Plus, the league is changing. So it it's it's a little different now. You know, the rules have changed. So, you know, you don't have to find Reggie White. You can find Reggie White light, and that's probably good enough to get by now.

SPEAKER_02

Well, but the talent at the top. I I don't think when it comes to the first round, I don't think the draft was, I mean, other than having five awesome quarterbacks.

SPEAKER_03

I really don't think that's an anomaly. You're not going to have that every year.

SPEAKER_02

I I don't I don't think the draft is that bad. I think it's different, and I think you're in a changing NFL world where the the the wants and needs of people are changing, and they're still trying to figure that out themselves.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I think the changing, you know, the change in the NFL having an impact on the draft, but also the the the NIL and the college money and everything has you know scripted this a little differently because you're hearing rumblings from the NFL and coaches and and you know executives that the you know fifth, sixth, seventh round are not as deep as they used to be. And you know, some of that is because players are staying in college longer, so you're actually drafting older players at the top, presumably, which conceivably gives them more experience, which you want if you're drafting somebody, especially if they played in an NFL type system with some good coaches, which I think you see in the first round with all those guys from Ohio State going. The Big Ten itself, I think had like 10 players drafted, but also that that that talent at the bottom is is, you know, you I mean, chances are you're not drafting a sixth or seventh round guy to come in and start. If you are, your team's in trouble. But what's happened now is those middle rounds. That yeah, they are. But the the importance of the third, fourth, and fifth round is exponential because it used to be vitally important before this. Now, you know, you're scrambling to find talent, and I think some teams panicked a little bit and made some moves jumping for players, but at the same time, you realize maybe they had to do it because on their board they had somebody ranked higher than somebody else for whatever reason at whatever position. They wanted to fill that need before somebody else grabbed them. So interesting dynamic to this year's draft when you break it down. I'm sure in five, ten years we'll be able to look back and and pinpoint more, but for now you're watching it a kind of a changing of the guard, so to speak.

SPEAKER_02

I agree, but we know that defense plays a bigger role. We know defense gets you to the Super Bowl. We know what defense is. You know that the edge rushers are important because quarterbacks are so important.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02

What some people we also know that the Super Bowl was won by a running back last year. And or this year.

SPEAKER_03

We say it every week when we talk about the NFL, how important it is to protect the quarterback and run the football. So, you know, part of that is, you know, getting after the quarterback. You know, when you enter this draft, you have to find the talent that matches your scheme and pick the best player that's available to fit that scheme.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so I I think um, you know, the Jets Jets seemed to get a lot of. I don't know anything about this quarterback from Clemson that they picked up. Do you?

Giants Plan At Picks Five Ten

SPEAKER_03

I thought it was a tremendous reach. I thought if they were gonna reach up in this draft that they should have drafted the kid from Penn State in the third round. I had a suspicion that he would go in the third round. On paper, Alar was far and away, and that's not to say I think he's a great talent, but I don't think he's a bust either. He just fits the criteria that you want. If you go by the Parcell's draft criteria for a quarterback, he checks most, if not all, the boxes. But uh Klubnik, I didn't really see anything special about him before the draft. The Jets obviously saw something they thought was worth moving up for. But again, you know, the teams that we always consider to draft well, that's where Alar went. He went to the Steelers. The Jets did okay. I thought that was one blemish on their on their day. I thought that might have been a reach. I know I spoke to a couple of Jet fans who are pretty, you know, season ticket holders that are pretty in tune with what goes on, both college and pro, and one specifically was in agreement that Klubnik was a reach.

SPEAKER_02

So then you have You have the Giants, right? They take number one fifth pick, they take the other edge russer that gets talked about, and that's Avril Reese. I mean, they have him down as a linebacker, but he's an he's an edge russer, correct?

SPEAKER_03

So he he plays multiple positions, right? He moved inside, outside. He can play down, he can play up, he can play in the middle. Predominantly for Ohio State this past year. I think he was outside and standing up. So I think what the Giants did, Michael texted us earlier in the week that, you know, Harbaugh basically got the two best players available to them at that spot in the draft. Said, what did he say? They got their Ray Lewis and their Jonathan Ogget. I don't know that I would put either one of those players in this class, but I think what he's trying to say is they picked players that stabilized two key positions for them to be successful in their in their scheme.

SPEAKER_02

Well, the the um Francis, what is it, Magua? Mag Magua? Maui Maui Gagua. Magua. Maui, something like that.

SPEAKER_03

Magui?

SPEAKER_02

Sorry. Maui Gaia. He's a beast of an offensive tackle.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, well, we've talked about that during the national championship game. Right. Right. When we were texting back and forth, who is this monster? You know, and then we looked it up. He's six foot six and three hundred and something pounds, and he's pretty agile for a big man.

SPEAKER_02

Um above 350.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Um certainly a Mauler. Somebody's going to set the ton on offense, protect your quarterback. I, you know, I have no problem with the Giants taking that pick there. I think it probably for them had to have come down to Caleb Downs at safety or the offensive lineman. And I think they probably thought, you know, I know Caleb Downs had some injury history with the MCL, but initially, when it happened, the Cowboys moved right up and took Caleb Downs. And I thought to myself, my goodness, did the Giants just do it again? Thinking that, you know, a long deterrent of uh Micah Parsons, who they just basically handed over on a silver platter to the Cowboys. So I think the Giants basically said, look, we have to be practical about this. And they were, you know, they had a plan going in. They got the offensive lineman they wanted after they made the trade for the 10th pick. I did think they were going to go defense because they did just trade away their best defensive player. So I thought Arvell Reese, you come back with downs at 10 and you just made up for what you lost, you know, kind of like uh almost like an analytics type situation. But uh, they got a good football player regardless. I just think that if it were me, if it were mine at that moment, I probably would have taken Caleb Downs at that position just because I would not have to necessarily worry about my defense going forward. But maybe they there was something that they saw in their injury report that we don't know. It didn't bother the Cowboys, but obviously the Giants went in a different direction. I'm not, I don't know if that's the reason why. They probably figured that Maui Gold was a little higher on their board and they made the move to get him. But Downs was, you know, some people had downs projected as high as two going to the Jets, which I thought was high. But again, you get an incredibly talented player who can tackle and lead your defense.

Rams Take A QB Too Early

SPEAKER_02

So So here here are the two the two moves that got the most, and I really mean the most talk. One is Ty Simpson going to Arizona. The Rams. The Rams, I mean. Yeah, I can't believe that. I like it. I don't know what you think about it.

SPEAKER_03

I mean I don't mind taking a quarterback, but not him and not there. I thought the Rams could have done more to protect their quarterback.

SPEAKER_02

But he wasn't gonna have a bad weapon. If you like him and they did, you're not gonna get him when you're open again to make a pick. So you either have to decide to trade back and take a risk, or you make the pick. And if he's your guy, he's your guy. I don't understand why why is that hard to I think for a guy that doesn't like analytics, you're really caught up in it.

SPEAKER_03

I I'm I'm I just think that you have a quarterback and you're in a win-now situation, and it numb with your number one pick, you have to get and oh, don't forget, their special teams let them down there. So I'm not saying take a special team. I agree. I just think that there was more talent available at the quarterback position somewhere else later in the draft, that they didn't have to make that move. They surprised everybody by making the move, but I think they could have either gotten a defensive player or an offensive weapon to help out their Asian quarterback and seemingly, you know, win now offense. I think, listen, the biggest Yeah, I have no problem with setting yourself up for the future with another quarterback.

SPEAKER_02

The biggest thing about him that everyone has a slight about is they say he's not tall enough. And there have been many and have been many in Philadelphia quarterbacks that aren't as tall as some of the others, 6'4, 6'5. And I just think that even though he's only played one year, I think what you see from him is is quality outings. I think he really has a certain control of the game that you don't think, and I think he's gonna be a very successful quarterback in this league.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I mean, it the breakdown being, you know, are you into guys that have a high percentage completion, uh high completion percentage on short passes and you know, out routes and things like that, versus, you know, uh prototypical big arm, tall quarterback who can stand in the pocket and deliver down the field. So, you know, if that's where the Lions are headed, that's where they're headed. I mean, it is what it is. I agree. If you want a gunslinger, you're not taking that kid with all due respect. And to me, Matthew Stafford is vastly different in all areas than Ty Simpson. Not that Ty Simpson can't learn from Matthew Stafford, or it's not a good idea to have a plan for the future. I just think that you still needed help offensively. You could have gotten defensive help. There were other areas where they could have gone in this draft at that position or trade out and take a quarterback somewhere else in this draft. But he obviously was much higher on their board than any of the other quarterbacks available, and they took a shot. But their future was seemingly more important than right now. But May's always wanted to make moves. I mean, they always do a pretty good job of bringing guys in via free agency and making trades, so they must have something up their sleeve to make a move like that. I don't think they're done making moves.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I think that's I um I I think that's fair.

Arizona Picks A Running Back

SPEAKER_02

The other one obviously has to do with Arizona. I'm sorry I let the cat out of the bag. I mean, love is a good running back. And, you know, they say he's like the best player out there in the draft. And though he's a running back, which have gotten a new look, people don't think running backs are as important anymore. They're all about wide receivers blocking and passing. And I disagree. I I think I think that the NFL is like a pendulum and it swings back and forth. And in this case, I think the pendulum's starting to swim back to those running backs, those big backs. And he's not that big, but he's very good. He's good out of the backfield. And I think there's something else that, you know, now we talk about he doesn't make 52 million. I think he makes 50 million at picked at his level, which is what, third? Third. Third overall. I think he makes 50 million. I think it's guaranteed, too. A lot of money. And that's a lot of money. But on the other hand, you know what Arizona doesn't have? They don't have a player that people come to the park to see. It doesn't have it. It doesn't have they don't have the Larry Fitzgerald anymore. And they're hoping they picked Saquon Barkley because when the Giants had Saquon Barkley, they had no team. They had no blocking, they had no quarterback, they had no rare receiver, they had no defense, and Saquon was still somebody who came to watch. And I think that's what they're hoping for. They have no plenty of cap room. They only have two players over$10 million. A lot of that cap is in running backs, strangely enough.

SPEAKER_03

Starting to enter Cleveland Brown territory with that, if that's where they're going, because selling jerseys is vastly less important than winning football games. And my Notre Dame bias aside, uh, you know, people were talking about how they had two running backs, and the other one got drafted at the end of the first round. Hold on. So you don't like Notre Dame players? Is that what you're telling me? I make no bones about it.

SPEAKER_02

You don't like Notre Dame players?

SPEAKER_03

I'm not taking a running back from Notre Dame from a team with two losses when you tell me that both running backs are good. I'm sorry, this is not Oklahoma State 1988. This is not, you know, Barry Sanders and uh Thurman Thomas. You know, this is these are two, you know, uh uh slightly above average talents. I I just don't see it.

SPEAKER_02

This is I really don't see it. This is just another time where one day in the future you say, you know, Steve, you were right about that.

SPEAKER_03

All right. Well, we'll five years.

SPEAKER_02

In long list of things that you had to say that about.

SPEAKER_03

I don't think that you're wrong in that they don't have anybody to come put fannies in the seats. I just don't think this guy is gonna do that. And I don't think he's made he made their team much better. I know they had issues at running back, and I probably would have clean house too, and I just would have waited, you know, I would I would have gone somewhere else with that draft pick, or I would have traded it to get more value somewhere down the road. Especially if you knew you wanted a running back, because I don't think for one second anybody else, except outside maybe the Saints, were gonna take a running back. And frankly, it's a gamble I would have taken because if his backup is just as good as he is, why not get more draft picks and just take the backup?

SPEAKER_02

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

You take a guy at three, you have to get Saquon Barkley or Ladanian Tomlinson or you know, Thurman Thomas or Barry Sanders or Emmett Smith. I'm sorry, I just don't put love in that category. Well, because they're not there yet. They're not there yet. But also the NFL is is different, and you need somebody who can catch passes out of the backfield, somebody who has good hands, somebody you can count on, reliable, doesn't put the football on the ground. So you got that in this guy. If they were one player away or short, just a running back on offense, or you know, behind a tremendous offensive line, that I would say, you know what, I don't have a problem with that pick.

SPEAKER_01

But they are way far away from that. And I don't know who's gonna protect their seemingly new quarterback. Nobody.

SPEAKER_02

But maybe they give them a quick out that keeps the pressure off from when it's on.

SPEAKER_03

There's that for sure. No doubt about it. That's a lot of pressure to put on a rookie running back.

SPEAKER_02

Well, he's getting$50 million.

SPEAKER_03

But maybe they go back to running the running the maybe they're, you know, like you said, they have to see Seattle twice a year, and they're in that division. The 49ers run the football a lot, so they probably need to compete. They knew they couldn't outrun everybody, they couldn't outpass everybody. Their defense is bad, so they got to stabilize it somehow. So there's, you know, that would be some justification for the pick. I still just think he's not worth the third pick.

Jets Tight End Debate And Grade

SPEAKER_02

Okay. I'll give you that. Kinda sorta. What else? What else about the draft? I think the Giants we saw the Giants, Giants took defensive linemen from Auburn. They took an offensive tackle.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, these are all picks you need on the both teams did it did a decent job. I don't like that the Jets again took a tight end in the first round, and it seems a little gimmicky because oh he's fast. Uh, you know, I know he he's made some outstanding plays, but he also the knock on him was that he had some draw. I'm just not a big fan of I have tight end fright. Kyle Brady, Dustin Keller, Anthony Becht, just you know, same old Jets. Surprisingly, they're one of the teams that has taken the fewest tight ends, I think, in the first round overall in the past 25 years. But it's so glaring when they pick one because they seemingly always fail at it.

SPEAKER_01

Maybe.

SPEAKER_03

But this kid is a, you know, look, it he's an incredible talent. I know they were talking about him going higher than that. I think sometimes the past catches up to you in the present when you're living in the wake of guys like Antonio Gates and Kelsey and, you know, big tight end talents. But Sadiq is is not three. He's not a mauler. He's not gonna be on the on the field to block defensive ends, you know, defensive edge rushers or tackles. He's there to be a mismatch guy and catch passes when they've got either uh a lesser nickel or dime back on him or a linebacker covering him, you know, in open space. That's where he's gonna be most dangerous. So that's where they wanted to be. And then they still they came back to the Jets and got a wide receiver that people had much higher ranked. They moved up to get Cooper to come back. So they got two offensive weapons after getting seemingly the best defensive player in the draft. So I think they get an A, A minus overall. I mean, certainly the first round, they did a great job. They came into the draft with a lot ahead. Like, where are they going? What is the direction of this franchise? And they needed to kind of solidify the positions on offense with filling positions that where they needed weaponry. And I think they got that. Cooper is six feet tall, so he's gonna be a number two receiver. I think the ceiling for somebody like him, if he's if he's tough enough, is he if he's physical enough, is to be kind of like a Heinz Ward type player. Um, you know, this is not a long player who's six foot four, six foot five who's gonna have a jump ball in the end zone, but he's probably a move the chains guy for sure. And he moved up and got him after the Bills seemingly dropped the ball on that because I know the Bills needed weapons. Although the Bills seem to like larger targets for their quarterbacks. They're they're just the Bills are just huge, right? Their quarterback is six five, six six, right, Alan. And uh their tight ends are big for the most part. So I think that I think the Jets made the right move there. I they saw a guy that could play now and help their team win, move the football down the field, and they they struck. So I give them credit for that.

SPEAKER_02

So what do you think of um what do you think of Dallas?

SPEAKER_03

I think Dallas made a tremendous move getting Caleb Downs uh moving up to get him. Yeah, I mean, he's a tough, hard-nosed player. Uh, you know, it was the third, fourth pick from Ohio State in the top 11, uh, which I don't think anybody had on their draft board. Um and the wide receiver went went first out of that group of players. But I thought that Dallas, you know, Dallas has a knack for sticking it to the Giants. And once they saw the opportunity, they were like, we're moving up to get this guy. I mean, Downs was, you know, Downs was ranked as high as two in some people's boards, maybe even the best player in the draft. Some people had him pretty high. You watch the tape, the guy can tackle. You know, he's a hybrid type, you know, for today's NFL standards as far as safeties go. He certainly can play in this, in this era, if you will. So it'll be interesting. I mean, he's a he's a solid football player. I know got a lot, a lot of guys liked him. Uh, and a lot of guys had them on their board at 10 for the Giants, especially Giant fans.

SPEAKER_02

So you look at who who they drafted: Caleb Downs, safety. Lawrence, he's an edge. Linebacker from Michigan, Barham. A cornerback, Devin Moore from Florida, Overton defensive end from Miami from Alabama, and Anthony Smith for wide receiver. So they're looking to they're looking to put that dominant defense back on the on the yeah, read the names of the schools that they drafted from again. Ohi Ohio State, UCF, which is uh University of Central Florida. Michigan, Penn State, Florida. It just went East Carolina. I'm sorry, went on to the next line.

SPEAKER_03

So Big Ten SEC guys, a Florida guy from UCF, and then they got a talent out of out of uh uh the uh Malachi Lawrence, who he had a good combine. He he was a high-ranked edge rusher. They needed one. Uh they short up the defense after getting, you know, they made some trades, you know. Obviously, they lost Micah Parsons last year. Uh, so they seemingly reloaded their defense, they got younger, and you know, they're gonna have control. I mean, you know, they get four to five defensive players. It's a lot more than anybody else. The positions they picked, the players they picked were in the right spots. They got a the best safety available, which I thought was a gift to them at 11. They got an edge rusher with their second pick in the first round, which again, you get a legit edge rusher anywhere in the draft as your second pick, and it's legit. You got it, you got a good first round. They didn't have a second round pick. I think they traded their second round pick, if I'm not mistaken. But they came back with Barn from Michigan, who's a solid player, good linebacker. I think if they put him in the middle, I'm not sure what they're gonna do, where he's gonna play, but obviously, tough Big Ten, anybody outside of you know, coming from the Big Ten, especially teams like Ohio State and Michigan, you're gonna get an NFL level ready player. And then, you know, their offensive tackle, you know, they need, you know, that that offensive line, you know, they waited to the fourth round to get him. That's why I thought the Giants, you know, should have taken downs because like, where would Dallas be on this draft board if the Giants had taken downs? I don't think they were taking an offensive lineman that high. I think they were looking at defense.

SPEAKER_02

So you think about how many things would have would have totally changed the picks by just a different Giants draft downs changes everything.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that the the rest of the first round shakes out a little differently for sure. No doubt about it. Now that uh and the and the love pick, I think, shook the draft right from the beginning. No, it wasn't really much of a reach for Jets taking Bailey. It was either Bailey or Reese, right? They we knew they needed an edge rusher, and it was gonna be one of those two guys. And I think because of the system that they play, and Bailey has an edge because he's ready now, versus, you know, not that Reese can't play, he's gonna play. I mean, the Giants are in a really good position, they have tremendous depth now on defense uh with with adding Reese to their to their lineup. So maybe they'll pull a trade, or maybe they double down and go get one more defensive player, you know, because you still, you know, how do you replace Dexter Lawrence? You can't. So yeah. But I think both teams did well overall. Listen, it's like we said, if you're drafting seven players or six players, and they all have to start right away, you probably don't have a very good football team. Now, if you've added depth and you're cutting players, you probably have a good football team.

Bills Holes And Undrafted Value

SPEAKER_02

It's funny. I'm looking at the draft tracker. Did did Buffalo not have a first round pick?

SPEAKER_03

I don't believe I I did they move back up into the first round to take somebody? I'm trying to remember who they picked who they picked. They may not have had, because there was I think there was like six teams that had multiple picks in the first round. Yeah, I mean it looks like Dallas had two, the Giants had two, the Jets moved up, they had three, Miami had multiple picks, I believe, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I mean so Buffalo picked second round, 35th pick. Right? They get Clemson Parker, TJ Parker, he's an off outside linebacker. 6'3, 263.

SPEAKER_03

I'm actually kind of shocked by that because well, I shouldn't say that. They couldn't stop the run last year. They need to be they need people that can tackle, but they also seemingly need weapons on offense. I think we're gonna see a trade. I think it's likely that AJ Brown might be in the mix. I know people haven't gone to the Patriots, but something tells me that Buffalo might sneak in there with an offer. So we'll see.

SPEAKER_02

Then they take a cornerback, a guard tackle from Boston College, the cornerbacks from Ohio State, a wide receiver, another linebacker, TCU, safety. I mean, they're they were getting, let's not forget, they would score a touchdown, the other team would march down the field and march down the field and come right back. So it came to whoever had the ball last. That's not what you want.

SPEAKER_03

But they I mean they were their wide receivers were anemic last year outside of digs. They were not good. They just seemingly got worse as the season went on.

SPEAKER_02

But you know what you see a lot of this year, more than you've ever had before, is people signing undrafted players as free agents.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I think.

SPEAKER_02

There are a lot of signings this year. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, they do, you know, seemingly every year you have these undrafted guys that for whatever reason fall out of the draft. Sometimes I think that's a benefit to the player who signs undrafted because there's less pressure on them and they can sign their own situation, you know. Um, if there's somebody or some coach they want to play for or some city they want to play in, that usually ends up being to their benefit as opposed to getting drafted by a team, you don't want to be there, you don't want to be any part of the organization, or the coach is somebody you don't like, or whatever it is. Usually I would think I would defer obviously to Matt on this one, but I think these players have their networks, these coaches have their networks and they draft players from within their network before they go outside of the box, you know, after the first round. First, second round. They reach out and find out about a guy who has a good work ethic, shows up early for practice, last one out of the gym. Things like that matter the further down you go in this in the draft. And that's when the coaches really rely on their networks to find out about players. Unfortunately, especially for the Jets, the coaches don't always have autonomy over who the team picks when the owner gets involved in medals. So and that's at any position, especially in the first round, because these owners they want to want to be the guy that made the right pick in the first round.

SPEAKER_01

They want to have input on that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So, I mean, I I think you didn't hear much, and I I was kind of scratching my head of any pick. I scratched my head the most about it's Kansas City. I mean, they moved up and then drafted somebody and then nobody knew who the hell was.

SPEAKER_01

Uh well I mean, I I'm not saying he's not good, but you've got to say to yourself.

SPEAKER_03

What did they give up? They only get I'm trying to remember I there were so many trades that I was trying to keep up with. At this point, if you're if you're trading talent, if you're trading for talent and you're giving up sixth and seventh round picks, even fifth round picks in this year's draft, I'm not gonna like I said, uh you can't possibly need seven, eight, nine guys to come and fill out your roster because then you just you didn't have a good football team to begin with. If you're cutting bait or cutting some dead weight, you're gonna give a guy a chance to compete, different story. Then you got a good football team.

SPEAKER_02

So here's their here's their picks. Peter Wood's defensive tackle, first round, number 29.

SPEAKER_03

Yep.

SPEAKER_02

Round one, pick six, the one they moved up for from Cleveland, who had a load of picks and just.

SPEAKER_03

Well, didn't wait, Kansas City, didn't they have the ninth pick? Then they did they move up to take the corner? I thought they moved up, right?

SPEAKER_02

They moved, they moved up. Mansor Delane from LSU. I mean, he could be amazing. I have no idea. Round two, the 40th pick, so this is their third pick now. Mason Thomas Edge from Oklahoma. Then round four, you have Jardon Kandei, whatever it is. Looks like Kennedy. Katie Kennedy. Yeah, Oregon. Then Emmert Johnson, running back Nebraska, and Cyrus Allen, wide receiver, reported as Cincinnati LSU, whatever that means. And then the last pick, seventh round, 245th pick, they picked Garrett Neusmeyer for the quarterback from LSU.

SPEAKER_03

Nussmeyer's an interesting pick there, but back to the first round. Moving up, they moved up, right? Did they trade with the Saints? Right? The Saints had the ninth pick and they traded with the Saints. Is that right? Trying to remember.

SPEAKER_02

But they did move up, right?

SPEAKER_03

They moved up to take a corner from LSU. The corner from LSU, Delaney, there's a transfer. I forgot what school he went to. Solid corner. I just, you know, there's certain positions. I'm not. If you're not, if you're not Champ Bailey or Charles Woodson or Deion Sanders, I'm not moving up to take you around.

SPEAKER_02

That was the bizarre point.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I just, I need somebody who's more than a lockdown cover corner. They got to bring something else to the city.

SPEAKER_02

I thought they were going to go after a wide receiver when they moved up, but or a tight end.

SPEAKER_03

Even an offensive tackle. Yeah. I I think maybe what happened, and I'm speculating. We had talked about them needing a running back. I said I thought maybe they had their running back in-house. I thought if love was there where it was their pick, that they definitely would have taken Love there. I think after Love got taken, they probably saw the way the draft was shaken out, and they didn't want to lose the guy that they had slated. So they moved up to get Delaney to show up there because they traded one of their corners, right? They got the and they got back to 29th pick, right? They traded one of their corners to the Rams and they got back to 29th pick. And then they used that to take a defensive lineman. So they replaced one guy with two, essentially.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

Did The League Know Picks Early

SPEAKER_03

Not a bad move. I, you know, I'm not going to question the Chiefs. I mean, they're they're perennial winners, except for last year. And then they come back with another edge rusher. Thomas, I think, is in that second tier of guys. But again, they need it, they need somebody on the edge. They need somebody to rush a passer. So they need somebody out there that they can plug in and get reps. And, you know, is he listed as the top-tier guy? No, but can he play the position? He sure can. And he's locked in. He's not a hybrid guy. He's going to play down. He's going to rush the passer. He's going to, you know, uh, he's going to get after it. And I think that kid, especially coming from Oklahoma, has a good, a good ethic. So I think that that's the right pick for them there. Also, you know, I was trying to figure this out. It said nothing to do with the Chiefs. I'm totally off topic here. They the draft went more than 32 picks per round, right? There was more than 240-something picks. There was like 270, whatever it was. I was trying to figure out where these supplemental picks came from or how that works out. And I just I didn't have enough time to comprehend what I was reading. But in a draft where we said, oh, this, you know, with all these picks, uh, they they they got even more picks than than usual. And it went pretty quick, too.

SPEAKER_02

Well, they didn't go into the second round, right? Because it went quick because it was 10 minutes. They changed the time from 15 minutes to 10 minutes. I mean, obviously, my understanding is is, and it somehow got emailed out inappropriately, is that the commissioner had the first 10 picks all set up already. That's why it went quick in the beginning.

SPEAKER_03

That's incredible because that adds to what people who are conspiracy theorists talk about things being scripted.

SPEAKER_02

Well, but yeah, but but you know, you'd think people already know. I mean, you're you're giving a guy$50 million. You're at the second pick. 52 million.

SPEAKER_03

You should know who you're taking.

SPEAKER_02

You don't know who you're gonna take? No question. Well, you're gonna you guys arguing about it? No question. I mean realize realizing it's Woody Johnson, and maybe, yeah, that they are doing that, but well, what's interesting too about that is Jay Glazer told I think it was Craig Carton on WFAN that he couldn't say who until they were on the clock that a major trade was coming in the first ten picks.

SPEAKER_03

Um, or or early in the draft. I don't know if he said first ten picks. Um and we saw we saw one trade, right? We saw one or two trades in the top ten.

SPEAKER_02

We saw a couple. Yeah. You saw Kansas City, yeah, and you saw something else.

SPEAKER_03

So he knew something, which means, you know, if like you said, if if they're scripting this or if they knew ahead of, I mean, I would think you probably know the first three or four picks. To have in hand the first 10 picks, I I I want to know who's making that decision. Because if I'm an owner of a team, I'm not giving anybody anything. If I'm the head coach, I'm not giving you a damn thing. I'm not letting you know a damn thing until I'm on the clock. And I'm gonna wait the whole 10 minutes just because you never know if that phone rings, somebody might want to make you a deal that blows you out of the water, right? Versus if you know for sure this is your guy, do you want to put the press on the team behind you, or maybe there's somebody in your division close behind that you want to make your pick to put the press on them? It all plays a part. But if you tell me they have the first 10 picks, that means Dallas knew that they were gonna get Caleb Downs. I mean, that's that's very valuable information because what if after the Jets picked and then love goes off the board, Dallas decides, man, we got to move up. We got to get Caleb Downs now because the Giants are gonna take him. If they knew the Giants were taking an offensive lineman, they just sat and waited it out. And that's I think that's a bad look. You think? I mean, that's not good. And there's no way, there is absolutely, positively no way that if the commissioner had the first top ten picks in hand that Jerry Jones didn't know, okay? And now we're in the territory of ownership that's involved in these gambling entities, and you're now we're completely off the rails. So once again, it's unavoidable.

SPEAKER_02

You're in bed with these gambling companies, and now this I saw a picture of the of the list, and all the names were blocked out, uh, and it was being held in somebody's hand. And they accidentally sent it out and it went to whatever.

SPEAKER_03

So are the names available?

SPEAKER_02

They have to be. The names were available, but they were blacked out. They were redacted. Redacted from the picture that was sent around.

SPEAKER_03

So it came, it came from the FBI.

SPEAKER_02

Obviously, if you had the information as a reporter and you put it out there ahead of time, the NFL would be all over you and you wouldn't get anywhere.

SPEAKER_03

But even if you're the reporter, well, that's true for sure. But how the NFL should be Nobody's more of that than the NFL.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

That is that is tremendous. I mean, if you have the top 10, how come you don't have the first 32? You know, sometimes you have to wonder because there are guys at the draft and they seemingly know they're gonna get picked. I thought Mendoza had a tremendous poker face. I don't know what the timing of was the of the uh I don't know what the timing was of the live feed from his house, if it was actually live, because when they were making the selection, he was sitting there stonefaced, and that's when I texted you, is Mendoza not going number one? There's I don't see a phone call. And then I'm thinking, oh, maybe that was prior to when he actually got picked. And then right out of the first break, there was a commercial with Mendoza for LinkedIn. Looked like they filmed the commercial right in his house.

SPEAKER_02

That's probably what they did. But yeah, so but we knew Mendoza's something. If they let it slip, Mendoza's going number one, big deal. They're not telling anybody, and they didn't know. Yeah, I but and and it It is possible you you sign contracts to say you know, he doesn't say in the in the thing he gwent number one pick. He talks about he signs a contract. If he gets picked, that there's, you know, these contracts are signed long before, you know, LinkedIn, Disney, you know. Come on.

SPEAKER_03

I can only think of one other time when a player made a deal with a team before the draft and it was public. It was uh for some reason I'm thinking it was Jadini, Jadevian Clowney, but when he went to the where'd he go, the Texans? Did the Texans draft him?

SPEAKER_02

Yes. I think when Wyatt when when JT when Wyatt was there.

SPEAKER_03

Just somebody that can't I I think it was I'm pretty sure it was Clowney. I it's the only time we could think of, yeah, it was the only time I could think of that like days before the draft, it was announced he's already signed with this team. Which, you know, again, you're giving information. Yeah, you're giving information to other teams that I think could be a hinder, you know, especially look what happened on on with Tuncil on draft day. Ten minutes before the Giants are picking, they released a photo of him and a video of smoking pot with the gas mask on. Imagine that was your first pick, and then all of a sudden, you know, you already announced, hey, we we're gonna sign this guy, and there he is with the gas mask on and a cloud of smoke, and you're like, oh my goodness, what do we do now? So I I it's a very slippery slope. It's a dangerous thing to that the NFL is allowing teams to go down this path. I mean, the history is there for you to see. It's probably a bad idea. Well, you're taking away from the suspense. You know, you want more people locked in and looking at what's going on.

SPEAKER_02

What do you want? 500,000 people outside.

SPEAKER_03

The NFL, they they're gonna shoot for a million, you know? They're gonna have this thing at uh Burning Man if they could.

SPEAKER_02

They're gonna be out there in the middle of nowhere with a million people. Wait till they start having it outside the United States.

SPEAKER_03

Well, they're gonna have it outside the United States. The top 10 picks will be scripted, nobody else will be there, everybody will get drafted out of the green room. Well, the it won't be any drama.

NIL Money And Draft Depth

SPEAKER_02

The interesting thing is, now we know it's a spectacle, and we know they make a lot of money from it, like they do everything else. To me, the interesting thing of it all is this. People are out there saying, because of the NIL, we haven't talked about that yet, how the NIL has affected the later rounds of the draft, whether it's six and seven, where these players, rather than being drafted for some team that they really are not even going to play for, that they stay in school for the hundredth year now, they're in the and they're gonna make a million dollars because phenomenal college players and may not be phenomenal pro players because because that's the way it works.

SPEAKER_03

So they don't have to fight through all the combine and everything else to get even a sniff at a draft pick and make a three-year salary for X amount of dollars at league minimum, wherever the rookie pay scale is. You get your money in college and you don't have to go to the NFL.

SPEAKER_02

So, what's being thrown thrown around out there is maybe we eliminate the draft altogether. Everybody's a free agent.

SPEAKER_03

I talked about that was it last month or the month before last? I thought they could restructure it, but the draft makes the NFL money. They're not getting they won't get rid of it until they f find a way to replace its value. Then they'll get rid of it.

SPEAKER_02

But not just money.

SPEAKER_03

300,000 people in attendance, it's not going anywhere.

SPEAKER_02

Real money. I mean, yeah, they have to and they probably would have to collect the collectively bargain over it because it's a change being a labor attorney. It's a it's it's a change in how terms and conditions of employment, how people, how employees are selected.

Eagles Steal A Late Round Freak

SPEAKER_03

Sure, that's great insight. So speaking of outside the country, did you see who the Eagles drafted?

SPEAKER_02

No.

SPEAKER_03

They took UR Bernard, who's listed as a defensive tackle from Benu State, Nigeria, uh, grew up playing soccer and basketball, had a 4'6, 340 at 6'4, 300 plus pounds. The guy has 6% body fat. It's 300 pounds. A complete chiseled monster. So they've added that to their defensive arsenal. So all the talk about the Giants and the Cowboys and their what they did and getting people at the top and so on and so forth. The Eagles got this guy late. I think it was, man, where was it? I think it was 252. That's late. And they got this guy. I mean, this is a tremendous pick, tremendous athlete to get that kind of talent that late. It's like, did nobody else do their homework? It's like they had it, you know, stashed away. So tremendous.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but couldn't they just sign him as an as an unrestricted free agent?

SPEAKER_03

They could have, but they drafted him. They weren't gonna let that kind of talent, you know, go up for negotiation. They drafted him.

SPEAKER_02

Well, he still has to want to play.

SPEAKER_03

And then I thought also Miami did a good job. Well, he definitely wants to play. There's no question. The guy, the guy had a workout and all that stuff. I'll read this to you from Robert Griffin. Robert Griffin III tweeted this. I taught, we talked with Mark Maiden off off air, who really liked Jacob Rodriguez from Texas Tech. And every time you watch, every watch, you every time you watch the David Bailey highlight, Rodriguez was seemingly in the picture, and you go, Who is that guy? And then you watch his highlight reel and you think, man, this guy can cover, he can run, he can tackle, he makes plays. He was not a highly regarded talent in terms of like being off the charts, but they got themselves a football player for sure. So Robert Griffin, the Miami Dolphins just got the best linebacker in all of college football. Last year in Jacob Rodriguez out of Texas Tech. Jacob is a tackling machine with vision like a quarterback because he actually was one when he first got to college. His ability to diagnose an offense and attack is unmatched. Miami just got a leader in the middle. I thought that was a pretty good pick for them if he's what they think he is. They just solidified their defense, or at least, you know, the captain, their defense, for the next five to ten years. Really good petty football player. You know, it's a football player. You got a good one for sure. So some second-round excitement there anyway.

SPEAKER_02

Enough about the draft. I'd like to talk about the NBA, but I'm not gonna wait till the Knicks are eliminated in the next game.

F1 Returns For Miami Weekend

SPEAKER_03

I hope JoJo's not listening. We've got to be nice. We gotta have our cigar night.

SPEAKER_02

So F1 returns. It's only been a break, and I'm I'm thinking the break has been one it was needed because there had to be um some tweaks to the rules regarding the cars. Everybody was losing their mind. So that's taking place.

SPEAKER_03

I know they just signed a big deal. They're returning to uh India, Pakistan.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know. I didn't read that.

SPEAKER_03

They signed a new deal.

SPEAKER_02

But I know they're in Miami this weekend.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So we're looking forward to that.

SPEAKER_03

Is Kim Kardashian gonna be there?

SPEAKER_02

I'm guessing Lewis Hamilton's gonna be his last year because she's gonna make him retire or something and turn him into a houseboy. But, you know, she does like to be in a limelight, and if she does, she picked the right guy because he's a superstar. He's a superstar. You think she's a superstar? He's a superstar in all the places where she's not.

SPEAKER_03

So according to him, he's found his person.

SPEAKER_01

I read that. Let's hope he doesn't lose her. I hope he doesn't lose it.

SPEAKER_02

I wish him well. Yeah, whatever, but everybody makes their decisions. Listen, the word of the day between them both is prenup.

SPEAKER_03

So they both got their own money. I think they'll be alright.

Kentucky Derby Field And Strategy

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I know. So we have that, and so we have uh F1, and Justin reminded me, and I had forgotten that we have the amazing horse racing this weekend. Kentucky Derby. Derby weekend.

SPEAKER_01

This weekend seems a little uh early to me.

SPEAKER_03

It's uh Saturday's the second, right?

SPEAKER_01

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03

Yep. Post time 6.57 p.m. One and a quarter mile race. So obviously the derby is usually decided by the pace of the race, which you usually have the pace at by the first turn or coming out of the first turn. And, you know, do these horses have you know stamina in this race? Uh the deep closers usually don't factor until the Belmont. So this is not a sprint. It's not a it's not a it's not a uh marathon, but this is a straight mile and a quarter. And um, you know, you've got uh you've got some pretty good horses in this race. Uh the favorite, which is Renegade, is four to one, is coming off the rail at one. It's uh Todd Pletcher's horse, and Irad Ortiz is gonna, Irad Ortiz Jr., excuse me, is uh is the jockey. Um the post position usually doesn't fare well in this race. So they've got to get out early to establish space and not get boxed in, which is a tough thing to do. And usually you don't see the one win this race, historically speaking. Although there have been some tremendous runs by a number one, it's it's few and far between. So he's got his work cut out for him as the favorite. You know, the talent of that horse is because he's in the one at four to one, clearly they respect the horse itself, I think, anyway. I think he got it. He does have a tendency to get boxed in. So it's gonna be a tricky race for him.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_03

Uh then you got what do I have here? I have further ado at six to one, and then commandment at six to one, and they're both trained by Brad Cox, who that I would say is a pretty formidable uh, you know, one-two punch to have favorites, two of them in this race, because you could probably dictate the pace of this race early. Uh, so you're gonna have, you know, one would be your pace horse and the other one's gonna be your closer. And he likes to put pressure on the pace. He likes to keep the pace moving fast early.

SPEAKER_02

So Brad Cox is a phenomenal trainer.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But you also got, you know, Chad Brown in there and Bob Bafford in there. I thought he was barred.

SPEAKER_03

Baffert was was barred for a a certain period of time, wasn't he? It was like a four or five year suspension.

SPEAKER_01

I don't think he was banned for life, was he? I don't know, I'm looking it up. My friend who has a or my client, but he's also a friend who has resources. He used Pritchard all the time. Up at Saratoga. Career, classic history, accomplishments, controversies for suspension.

SPEAKER_03

What was the suspension for? It wasn't doping, right?

SPEAKER_02

It was Yeah, of course, it banned Bafford entering Madeir Sprint and other horses in the 2021 Belmont Steaks and any other race. Bafford sued the association. That doesn't usually get you very far, and had no authority to suspend his license. The suspension without prior notice was a violation of the law. And that could be. On July 14th, the suspension was reversed by the United States federal court and NRA not having not allowed Baffert to perform a few claims, held no hearing, can't do that. And Baffert was charged with NRA for misconduct detrimental to the best interests of racing. Wow. In February you were suspended for 90 days. In February. What are you doing in February anyway? And well, you're preparing for the derby in February. Fine$7,500 by the Katoi by the Kentucky uh Horse Racing Commission.

SPEAKER_01

Big whoop. Big whoop. Mad ban of racetracks, and one year later, July 2004. Ban. Yeah, it's a little scam. I don't like Bafford anyway.

SPEAKER_03

Uh not yeah, not some of these guys are hard to like.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I like Brian Cox a lot, and Todd Putchard's good.

SPEAKER_03

Zito was my favorite.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, well.

SPEAKER_03

So um after those three that I mentioned, you got uh Puma and Chief Wallaby, uh both a 10 to 1. Um I think I'm trying to remember which was which. Puma's like kind of reminds me of Rockhard 10 in terms of, you know, he'll probably be in everybody's exotics, but I don't think he can win this race. He would have to run a perfect race to win. And I think the question on him is is he in this, is he, is he this class of horse? Um can he run distance? So I think the odds are stacked against him. 10 to 1, though, it's a pretty good value. Then Chief Wallaby is kind of one of these horses that benefits from chaos early in the race. So if the pace collapses, he could be somebody that takes over late. But I I still like Renegade, even though he's in the one because I just I love the name. Um but there's some pretty good uh there's some other horses in here that are pretty good. So you got Renegade at one, then Albus 31 at two, Intrepido, or Intrepido, uh 50 to 1, Litmus Test, 30 to 1, Right to Party, 30 to 1 at 5, Commandment, 6 to 1, another good one.

SPEAKER_00

That's a good horse.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, good horse. Dan Bourbon, 20 to 1 and 7. Uh So Happy, uh 15 to 1 and 8. Then you have Puma at 9, 10 to 1. You have Wonder Dean, a Japanese horse, 30 to 1. That would be a major coup if that horse won, but coming from 10. And then you have Incredibolt, another one that I like at 20 to 1. I would put that in my exotics for sure. Chief Wallaby at 12, 8 to 1. Silent Tactic, 20 to 1.

SPEAKER_02

It's it's funny. Chief Wallaby of earnings of$175,000. Everybody else has got almost a million.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. It's kind of like an afterthought almost, but whatever. Silent Tactic, 20 to 1 at 13, then potented 20 to 1 at 14. Emerging market, 15 to 1, and then Pavlovian at 16, 30 to 1. And then you have uh six speed, further ado, golden tempo, and full effort all the way outside at 20 to 1. Uh Pavlovian's interesting. I like the odds on that horse, 30 to 1. I like the name. We don't have jockeys yet, do we? Let's see here.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, Renegade is Irad Ortiz. I got it. Irat, yeah. And then Albus is Manny Franco, Intrepido, Hector Bonares, Litmus Test, Martin Garcia, Right to Party, Chris Elliott. See if my guy's on condiment. He is not.

SPEAKER_03

We don't know yet who's on. Do you have who's on uh commandment and further ado?

SPEAKER_02

Commandment is Luis Sias and further ado. Further ado is John Vasquez, an awesome another good jockey for sure.

SPEAKER_01

I'm a uh Javier Castellano guy. Who's he on? Oh, Tyler Gilford's a good good one too. He's on effort uh full effort. And who's on who's on who'd you say was on full effort? Castellano? No, um, um Tyler Gallofone. Castellano's not on anybody. Is there a female jockey in this race, or we don't know that yet? I I don't know. Not that I see. Unless Kristen Torres is a girl.

SPEAKER_02

Is that Oh, here's Castellano.

SPEAKER_03

He's on Puma. He's on Puma. That's that I think that's good value, ten to one. I think he'd be he rightly so should be in everybody's exotics, especially with Castellano at the top.

SPEAKER_01

No, it's Christian Taurus. Is it Christian Taurus? It's not Christian Taurus. Spelled it differently.

SPEAKER_03

Should definitely try and do something Saturday to watch the derby. I'll have to put out an email and a text to the members of the club to come wash the derby. Or are we oversaturating? Lot going on.

SPEAKER_02

I think I have somewhere I have to go. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

Both of us have pretty full bingo cards, as Gil would say.

Final Derby Horses And Signoff

SPEAKER_02

Well, that's it. Anything else? You can leave it there. That's it.

SPEAKER_03

I like Renegade, Puma, and uh um was the one you liked? The condiment. Condiment. I like those three. Put them in your double and your triple. That's my advice for the derby. I'll do my best.

SPEAKER_02

All right, everybody. Thank you. Thank you, Your Honor. And uh we will see you soon. Later.