The Knicks’ Secret Sauce: Poise, Depth, And Clutch Plays

The Knicks are up, the Garden is about to explode, and somehow the loudest debate still isn’t just about basketball. We’re staring straight at the messy intersection of NBA Finals officiating, superstar expectations, and the kind of late-game calm that turns one possession into a championship swing.

We talk through the calls that had us shaking our heads: the physicality that seems to change by jersey, the rescinded technical that only raises more questions, and why “inconsistency” feels so brutal when every trip matters. Then we get into the stuff that actually decides games, like Jalen Brunson reading a play before it happens, securing possession, and using bonus rules and body control to manufacture the free throws that win it. That’s not just clutch scoring, that’s chess in real time.

From there, we zoom out on why this Knicks run feels unreal: Josh Hart’s nonstop rebounding and discipline, Karl-Anthony Towns showing real two-way effort, a bench that gives clean minutes, and a roster that plays like it’s been together forever. We also preview Game 3 with all the extra noise, including the security lockdown and the pressure cooker atmosphere at Madison Square Garden, plus what San Antonio needs from Victor Wembanyama, especially if the low post stays quiet.

Yes, we even hit the prop bets and cash-out dilemmas, with a real reminder about the risks that come with gambling. Hit play, then subscribe, share the show, and leave a review. What’s the bigger story to you right now: the whistle, Brunson’s poise, or the Spurs’ adjustments?

Transcript

Welcome And Knicks Set Up

SPEAKER_04 0:13

Hello everyone, and welcome to Sports Live with Steve and Justin. How are you, Justin? Doing all right.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

I thought I was tired.

SPEAKER_04 0:24

Yeah, well, you were. Because we were just at the club. I made lunch today, and next week. Put me in a food coma. Justin was sound asleep, so that was a good sandwich. Thank you. Thank you for lunch. You're welcome. Welcome. A little dark in here today. Maybe I'll turn on my other light. There we go. A little better. There you go. So, New York Knicks. Unbelievable. So today's show is going to be the New York Knicks. We got the rabbi coming in. I'm going to let him in. He was here a second ago and now he's gone. Oh, there he is. And uh we also have a soccer preview by a soccer friend. So I look forward to today's show. And you notice that Justin is wearing his my best Walclive Fraser tribute suit. Just remember, no matter what happens over the next three days, no Nick is ever better than Walt Frasier. I just like to say that for now. But anyway, we're gonna let in a rabbi.

Game Three Hype And Guests

SPEAKER_03 1:32

Rabbi? There he is. Reading from the Torah, getting ready for game three.

SPEAKER_04 1:39

How's everyone? We're good. Game three. New York Knicks. Boy, if they couldn't want to make it any worse, they have the whole the whole area cordoned off. You can't get anywhere near the stadium. I guess they're checking for tickets. Uh, because the president of the United States is coming, the mayor of New York is coming.

SPEAKER_02 2:00

I I heard they might get Charles Oakley, too.

SPEAKER_04 2:03

No, I heard I heard it ain't happening. I heard that uh Jordan called the owner and tried to tried to settle that a little bit, but it went nowhere. Ah, really? I mean, you know.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

I mean, it's it it I I it's not really the thing I want to be talking about with so many great games going on. Let's Charles Oakley come to the game, Josh.

SPEAKER_04 2:29

Rabbi, so let's let's talk about this for a second.

Officiating Complaints And Strange Calls

SPEAKER_02 2:34

How is it possible that not until the final minutes of the game, the final minutes of the whole second half, that the Knicks, or should I say the Spurs, aren't called for Well Yeah, I mean, well, they they had they they I mean they've been called for a few, but they literally, I I with as physical as they had been playing, you know, I'm watching the game and I'm like, gosh, they might they're probably you know bonus, whatever. Like there was with with less than a minute left, they had a foul to give. With 24 seconds left, actually, they had a foul to give, which was crazy because I'm like, you know, I mean, you know, defense in the NBA, you know, in in the playoffs is always very physical. I I'm fine with letting them play. Uh I felt like I felt like they had some awful calls, and I mean the Mitchell Robbins technical, which they've rescinded now, the first time they've ever rescinded a technical from the finals.

SPEAKER_04 3:30

Well, that's even more suspect.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

Yeah, that would that I that was ridiculous. That was, I mean, that was the the the that was the only one the NBA was willing to own, but they were very physical in the game on Brunson in particular. I mean, Brunson had like, I mean, he probably had the DNA of like everybody on the Spurs. He probably he's probably pregnant at this point. He has so much D. I mean, like, you know, like, I mean, you know, I mean, literally, like, there's like he's like, he comes over half court, he's got two guys draped all over him. I mean, but you know, they let the game get physical, which was fine.

SPEAKER_04 4:01

Except they called those same fouls on the Knicks.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

Yeah, that it was.

SPEAKER_04 4:06

They didn't let the game get physical. They let San Antonio get physical and not get the fouls called.

SPEAKER_02 4:13

Well, and you know, it it's funny. It's like I mean, one of the one of my favorite jokes in coaching is like officials every year call this big meeting at the beginning of the season you got to go to, and you sit down and they basically start the meeting, spend the first 15 minutes talking about no hand checks. Now we're you know, we're calling hand checks, we're cracking down on hand checks this year. So for 21 years, I heard people telling me about, and I'm watching uh and and as the year goes, yeah, they call them early in the season. By the NBA finals, Jalen Brunson like had like hands on him constantly. It was like a sales, man. I I couldn't believe how physical the game got, but you know, I I was okay with that. And actually, I think the the the guy who used that most brilliantly was Brunson down the stretch, but because Brunson is, you know, like you know, like the Albert Einstein of of uh professional basketball. I mean, the play he makes towards the end, which we'll talk about a little bit later, was outrageous. But yeah, I mean, like it wasn't a well-efficiated game. The the kickball with Coronette was a weird, I mean, I didn't think he intended to kick the ball on it, but doesn't matter. Yeah, I mean, well, no, in that case, intent does. If if it just glances off his foot and goes, and you know, then it's not a kickball. If he intends to kick it, I mean that's the rule book, uh, which I uh, you know, how how you can diagnose intent in a tenth of a second by looking at a seven foot two guy and how his foot hits a ball, I have no idea. But usually that wouldn't be called a kick in that situation. So I was okay with that. I thought it was a little, but the problem was it came after a series of just like, were they not gonna call that? Okay, they're gonna call that, okay, they're not gonna call that. It felt a little inconsistent, but you know, again, I think I agree with you.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

But I I have to say, There's a lot going on that they ignored, and then that happened, and it was like you gotta call something here.

SPEAKER_04 5:56

A few a few things. I mean, they really called absolutely nothing in favor of the Knicks, and I don't care what you say. I mean, there were things that there were things that I thought were technical and that were reversed for the other team. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I don't I don't even know what to say about that. I I And it if you I mean listen, everybody says the West is better than the East, whatever. To me, if I was a suspicious guy, I would say that the league was controlling the game. That they didn't want a 20-point blowout. We knew going in that that was gonna happen. With those penalties, you get a 20-point blowout. Possible. I mean, yeah, it's it's highly possible. And not only did they not want they were controlling the game, they wanted a fair game. They wanted to go more than four because they make more money, right? And everybody was in on a fix except for San Antonio, because they didn't play, first of all, the last play of the game was the most ill-set up shot I've ever seen in my life. And I'll just say, we saw Villanova take a last shot, what we're gonna say, five years ago, six years ago, eight years ago, when they at the last second they made the shot and won the game. There may have been a few nights.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

I'm sorry. I I thought Mitch Johnson could I actually thought his end of game play was a was a beautiful call. I mean, he calls the stagger screen. Mitchell Robinson thinks that uh Wembiano's going to the basket, which is, you know, again, in a one-point game, you're going you you send the seven-foot guy to the basket. You know, he's going to draw a contact. He gets the he gets a great look at the basket. I mean, he got a wide open look at the basket. That's the play design. The problem is he didn't make it. You know, I mean, like that might, you know, like I didn't have a problem with I didn't have a problem with what Johnson drew up. I mean, Wenbiana's got to make that shot. That's a 19-foot jump shot. He makes that, you know, most of the time. He made a few derming.

SPEAKER_04 8:03

Even the last shot when he wasn't there. The last, the very last shot of the game.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

Oh, the the yeah, he uh uh what's his name uh from Florida State. They uh he a vassal.

SPEAKER_04 8:16

He had he you know, he tried to get the thing off and it just Yeah, but it it wasn't you mean that should have been really set up.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:23

A pass and a shot. Well, and and it seemed like nobody wanted to take it.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

Yeah. Well, his thinking was Wembiana was gonna take the shot and was gonna knock it down, and that was gonna be the game. I mean, the design for the play was he was supposed to drain that, you know, with like, you know, half a second left on the clock, so the Knicks didn't get it back. It I mean, you know, because again, they would, you know, they could get it down the other side of the floor. But I mean, you know, they got a great look. I mean, you know, he he should have hit the shot. I mean, you know, like usually he hits the shot. Mitchell Robinson tries to kind of come over across the screen and he gets his feet tangled up a little bit. Wembiana threw the flop in at the end, which I thought was a little ridiculous. But I mean, like, that's a shot you gotta make. I mean, this is this like you're a star caliber player, you make that shot. That's I thought that was I I thought the bigger problem was he has to make that shot. That's the that's that's why this is the guy for San Antonio. The difference between him and Brunson, I think Brunson made a play with nine seconds left that was absolutely brilliant, that had nothing to do with the shot, but uh but Wembiana with the game on the line didn't make the shot.

SPEAKER_04 9:24

You know, I mean it's you know, there's that was here's my belief, and I don't know, I may have talked about it in one of those little shorts. I probably sent it to you, the little advertisement for today's podcast. So I hear Marv Albert on the Mad Dog Channel with the guy in the afternoon at 12 o'clock. What's his name?

SPEAKER_03 9:45

Oh, uh Roberts?

SPEAKER_02 9:48

No. Not Cory. I I know what you're talking about. Uh they're on the FAN? No, no, no, no, no. Oh, is it on FAN or Mad Dog Channel?

SPEAKER_04 9:57

No, Mad Dog Channel. Uh yeah, I'm serious. The guy in the morning. Anyway, he has I I keep thinking Shine. Oh, yeah, okay. Adam Shine? Yeah, yeah. Adam Shine. Former so he has on Marv Albert. And they're talking about the teams, and he goes, and he goes, listen. I want to say something. And I want you to listen. Kind of. And you're like, okay, now this is a guy that if you want to pick somebody that's seen every great basketball Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

Wow, blackout. Did we lose the judge? The judge is gone. Have you seen the judge? Anybody, judge where'd he go? Order in order in the court. Yeah, I was gonna mistrunk.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

Before he comes back, I just wanted to mention Katz's fourth foul in that in that fourth quarter. Uh you know, we're talking about fouls. It was like a phantom call. It was just like they were waiting for anything to happen that they could slightly, you know, if it if the needle pointed anywhere towards San Antonio, call foul, give it to the, you know, give it to San Antonio. And then they they knew going in that they, you know, the the officiating crew was different as well. Yeah. The officiating crew was not the same crew from game one. And I know that that's you know, there's a rotating thing or whatever, but to me, it's like, how is it not the same crew on the same court, and then maybe a different crew when you're on the road? What, you know, yeah, no, it's it makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

And I'm not sure how they did the assignments, but I I would say the the crew in the first game did a nice job. It was a physical game on both sides. They they ran Wembi on off the line. They were very physical with him. In the second game, the last maybe five, six minutes, there's a lot of bad calls. I mean, there's a lot going on there. Towns foul was bad. But the De'Aaron Fox double dribble was like, you know, like, I mean, I guess you get but i i if they're not calling everything the the way they had, you know, if they hadn't been calling that, you know, like pretty much everything all game on the Knicks and very little on the Spurs, that one doesn't stand out. But that was a bad call. You know, I mean I you know, I will say this though, they did in the most important moment in the game, they made a great call, which was we got the judge back? We got the judge.

SPEAKER_00 12:11

Not yet.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

Is he going? Nice jacket, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

It's my best uh look at that. I like it. Well, Clyde Frazier and pay tribute to the greatest. Since I don't have any Knicks gear other than the hat, which I wasn't gonna wear because it's too hot today. But uh, you know, we knew going into game one that I don't know if you've read it, but the officiating crew that they had in game one, the Knicks were 10 and up. Oh, really? With that crew, or with one of the the lead ref, whoever it was. Conversely, they were like four and ten with the with a crew from from game two. And and the Spurs were like 10 and 4, 14 and 2, something had you know, they had a winning record. And you know, you have to wonder like how that transpires. How did how is it not relatively even, maybe, but the Spurs won 62 games, so I'm not gonna get too into it. Yeah, but they knew that you know that there was gonna be a problem or that there was gonna be a disparage between a huge difference between game one and game two, and that the Knicks were gonna have to play the refs. Yeah so give them credit. You know, you mentioned we talked about it last week about you know, Brunson being a finisher and him executing plays where yeah, you said, what'd you say? Look like an octopus. It was I mean he really has put this team on his shoulders, but it's not to say that he's carrying the team over, it's just that he's making these plays where other guys that are his contemporaries, not necessarily the guys on the team, don't finish these plays. And he does. Yeah, yeah. So I look like John Starks, and he texted me back, much smarter player, and I didn't realize at the time because I was behind the bar. He had 15 rebounds in that game.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

He had it the probably the greatest three-point game in the history of the NBA finals. He scored three points in the game, had no points in game two, but he had 15 rebounds. He was a plus 22. Yeah, it's six assists, four four steals. I mean, he was fabulous in that game. And he kept he kept doing things like Towns was in the wrong spot, and he's directing traffic and bringing guys over. Hart, Judge, huge in that.

SPEAKER_04 14:29

So all this equipment, I put my foot down and turned off the power switch on the power strip. So it turned off my camera, it turned off everything. I let my fit up, it went back on, except the video roadcaster that I use. You have to reboot it. When I rebooted it, it went to all the standard stuff for the computer except the high-tech stuff.

SPEAKER_02 14:51

So needless to say, while you were gone, the Knicks

Brunson’s Genius And Late-Game Execution

SPEAKER_02 14:55

they called another technical foul on the Knicks.

SPEAKER_04 14:58

So wait, let me let me finish my story here. Yeah, go ahead. So I was gonna say Herb Albert. Marv Albert is that, right? So Marv Albert says, let me be clear. No matter how hard the league wants Wemby to be Michael Jordan, he's not. And no matter what they do, he's not gonna be Michael Jordan. There will never be another Michael Jordan, he goes. So there's no way to make that happen. It has to be him that makes it happen. Sure. And I and I got that impression that the league, that the the officials or referees or whatever they call them, are calling fouls to kind of even the playing field. Yet here's a guy that misses sh big shots. What are you shaking your head at? I'm sorry, not not you. I'm I'm doing a little recon. Okay. He he he doesn't he misses big shots. And what do we know about Jordan? He never missed a big shot. And if he missed a big shot, he went in, got the rebound, and dumped it. Yeah. Right? It was like Jordan made everybody else standing still. Sure. Sure. And he took players that had tons of talent and maybe no, first of all, he had probably the second best player in the league playing with him. Let's not forget that. I mean, Pippen was, if it wasn't for Jordan, Pippen would be like one of those big time players. I thought he was anyway. I agree. I agree. And you know it, as much as they fought during a time period and maybe maybe stepped on each other's toes, he'll tell you right now, I saw an interview with him, and he said, No team is a complete without Pippen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

So Unfortunately, the documentary wasn't edited that way, but Correct.

SPEAKER_04 17:02

It wasn't. But I earned an interview with him afterwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean Pippen was a good one. And he took what's his name and turned him into the animal rebounder. Whenever he stepped out of line, he screamed at him. And you know what? You play with Michael Jordan, you say to yourself, dude, I gotta, I gotta make this happen. Our screens are different than they usually are, right? Yeah, like you're there and I'm there, but I don't know if the audience. Yeah, it's like the I I think it's a new software. I think. I mean, listen, I could change it. Let me see what I could change it to. It's cool. I could change it. This is what we have, this is what we have. They do it.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

Before we lose them again, you're on sports live with T and Justin.

SPEAKER_04 17:50

So speaking about losing it again, please like, subscribe, and share it with my friends. Yeah. Please like uh like us on X, because we're live on X, live on YouTube, live on Facebook, and live on Riverside System. However, that works, I have no idea, but they say I am. So I just want to point out something else. Last week we talked about having 250,000 downloads. This week we have 300,000 downloads. And we now have 4,000 subscribers. So I thank the both of you for making that happen. I just push buttons, sometimes with my feet by accident, and and try to get it done.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

So well, thank you, Judge. You know, like and I know I I don't have 4,000 relatives, so it's it's getting out there. I mean, no, you know, I keep I tell you, I keep having people coming up to be Rabbi, what's going on? Blah, blah, blah. I got invited to like four bar mitzvahs this week from this show. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 18:46

And I've told that Andrew Dice Clay story so many times, I can't even tell. That was I mean, we can't make that up. But anyway, yeah, so there's something about what's going on in these finals that doesn't make sense to me. And I don't I don't know what to say. That the Knicks have a two-game lead. I mean, and and still has still they would have, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:09

But think how many games they won in a row. Yeah, 13 now. Last time they lost was April 25th. I mean, they uh is we're in June. We're like, you know, like I mean, I think the Mets were just eliminated. I mean, we're that deep in June, you know. So, I mean, it's I mean, I I you know, the only run I can think of like this was a 76er team that only lost one game on, you know, one lost one game uh, you know, go uh on their run in the playoffs. 82 and 10. And that was Dr. J, right? Yeah, and Moses Malone and you know, Andrew Tony, the Boston Strangler. I mean, you know, one of the great all-time teams. Nobody's really ever done this before, though. I mean, you know, there was I remember that it was like a two-to-one series, and the Hawks were up, and like, you know, people were like, I don't know about the Knicks this year, and now, you know, and they haven't lost since. And it's been, I've never really seen anything in the NBA like this before. I mean, you know, this is not, you know, you look at this Knicks roster, they're playing great. This is not an all-time great team, though. You know, this isn't a dynasty, but this is this is a run like I've never seen before.

SPEAKER_04 20:12

So that's because only because they don't have that big player. I mean, they don't have that legendary player. Brunson's making himself a legendary player.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

He might end up, he he might end up creating a new archetype for what a legendary NBA player is.

SPEAKER_04 20:28

Some six foot two guy with a lot of great pivot moves can be and making and and creating a team, which is this is like the anti-Lebron scenario, right?

SPEAKER_00 20:42

Yeah, this there's no big three, there's no putting this together with big big names. I mean, they did a great job putting this team together, and the payroll and everything they've done to bring these guys in there, and they're playing cohesively and unselfishly, which you rarely ever see from these teams with loaded with superstars, right? These super teams are selfish. And you thought maybe for a good 10 years that, you know, this is what the league is gonna look like now, and this is what you're gonna have to do to beat a super team is to have a big three. The Knicks just stayed the course, and you know, they built this team from the ground up, and I know you know it's all pieces from somewhere else, but they had to give pieces to get pieces, and they made that happen, and there was no guarantee that it would work. And while just you what'd you say, April 25th or 29th? 25th, yeah. April 25th. On April 24th, if I told you the Knicks should trade Brunson or or any one of those, and just come towns and go get Giannis, I think 90% of people would have agreed with that. Yeah, now no chance, forget about it, yeah. Completely opposite of that.

SPEAKER_02 21:48

You know, Brunson, Brunson is a unique player in a lot of ways, in that, like he again, his shooting numbers haven't been great, but he makes plays for me, the play of The game was, you know, first off, Wembiana does a lot of great things. He's not Jordan yet. I mean, it's his third season. I mean, I I think there's a chance that he'll be one of the greatest players.

SPEAKER_00 22:09

He's not that type of player.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

But yeah, I mean, you know, he's he's you know, he's got to get a lot around him, everything like that. It's pretty amazing he's gotten him this far at this point. And they they have been a great team all year. But, you know, so Wembiana, you know, basically, you know, the play where that that everybody's sort of focusing on where Wembiana hits Castle in the back with a pass. First of all, I I've watched that play a hundred times. I cannot tell you what Castle was thinking, why he's like he just turns away. And, you know, I think Wembiana was thinking timeout, Castle was thinking timeout, it never got called. But watch Brunson on the play. What's amazing about the play is not only does Brunson see the ball coming at Castle, where Castle doesn't, he follows in, grabs the ball. But what's amazing is when he grabs the ball, he establishes possession and he sees Wembiana all seven foot five running at him, and he manages to take a little bit of contact and fall. And it really was a foul. But Brunson saw that opportunity there. When he gets the steal, some guys, I mean, Towns was there. He could have, he could have dribbled, he could have passed it off to Towns, but he saw Wembiana coming out of control and kind of rolled into him, leaned into him, and fell over. Which, you know, position-wise is a correct, I mean, they they did call that one correctly, and he ended up he made one of the two free throws, which won the game. But that play right there, you know, the the presence of mind in a moment like that to know to take a foul and to know how to take the foul. I mean, you know, in a split second to change for everything to change and for you to totally be locked in. I've just never seen a player with that kind of court awareness. He's remarkable. I mean, he's just looked like a free safety on that play. He was fantastic on it. I mean, but you know, the part where he takes the foul is just genius, you know, because like, you know, he knows that they had just burned their last foul, so now they're in the bonus. He he kind of, you know, Wembiana's not coming like he's trying to foul him, but it clearly, once he takes the contact, he rolls with it, and you're like, oh yeah, he he's on the line now, you know. And and so instead of having that moment where they got to draw up a play, he's sitting at the free throw line. I mean, it was, it was, you know, it was just this small moment in time where Jalen Brunson's awareness was in one direction, just at one level. And when Bianna lost focus for maybe a half of a second, when I used to coach, I used to tell people it's not what you do, it's what you did after that that matters. The thing about Brunson is like if something happens, as you were saying about Jordan, if he missed the shot, he go get the rebound. Brunson is always aware after the play of where to be. So he misses a shot, he's always in the right place, he's back on defense. He's just I think the whole team plays that way. Yeah, I agree, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

And he keeps, you know, and they hustle. We were just talking about Josh Hart. Why into the 15 rebounds, but rarely do you see a player like him at that position crash the boards from the perimeter and get, you know, rebounds and run the floor all 90 feet plus, you know, playing on both ends of the of the court. It's it's it's unusual. It's atypical, especially of this calip, you know, this league and the way guys play. They don't run the floor that way. That guy is, you know, I mean, talking about packing a lunch and and grinding it out, he's not afraid to to run the floor at any moment in during the game. Yeah. So but they all play like that.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

They seemingly all play that way. And they get contributions out of guys like Landry Shamut is a journeyman. Like Landry Shamut is a guy like, if, if, you know, I mean, I I loved him at Wichita State. He's been a solid pro, about like in, you know, seven-point a game guy's whole career, been bouncing around the league for 10 years or something like that. Landry Shamut has hit has had 13 points in two in the in the two games of the playoffs. I mean, you know, like he just Brunson just finds guys and gets them in rhythm. Towns has been, I mean, Towns was good in the first game. Towns was fantastic in the second game. You know, again, hit three three-pointers, was efficient, uh, you know, didn't miss a lot, and played, you know, the best defense I've ever seen Carl Anthony Towns has played has been in the last two games. And they really have all stepped up. I mean, you know, and guys like Brunson and Ananube are wonderful to watch because they just kind of fill in the gaps, you know. When they need a bucket, you know, Bridges will go get one. But it's not, you know, Bridges will finish with 20 points. He's pretty efficient, but he just sort of fills in the space. They run the they run the offense through towns for the first three quarters, and then the end of the game, they let they let the man take over. And Brunson does it every time. He finds a way to win.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

One of the

Why The Knicks Keep Winning

SPEAKER_00 26:40

things that impresses me the most about this Knicks team is their ability to keep their emotions in check. They do not overreact to things the way we've seen guys in this league overreact, scream at officials, and I'm not even I you know exactly who I'm talking about. And it, you know, you've seen guys that are seven feet tall, you know, 275 pounds of muscle, crying like babies over ticky tack stuff. The Knicks just let it roll off their back and they just keep grinding. And Towns is part of that. As big as he is, he got absolutely molested on that fourth foul and other points during the game. And if anybody was gonna lose it and start screaming at the refs, he certainly has earned that right at this point. But he's not, he doesn't, this team doesn't do that. Yeah, they're that's that's part of their maturity, I guess, but also this that's what a championship team looks like. Like you have to be able to play through those things and not let it bother you, and they just keep doing that.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

Yeah. For me, the best example of them keeping their their their cool about them is you know, like in game one, things are starting to go sideways. They had done a nice job pushing Wembiana off the line. Hart steps in, you know, Wembiana missed dribbles, Hart gets the ball, and Hart's got a fast break down the court. They got they got numbers, and instead of jacking the ball at the basket with, you know, with 45 seconds left, Hart brings it out, draws the defense, finds Brunson. Not only that, finds Brunson with the correct with the correct matchup, and then runs a clear out play, and Brunson gets the look. I mean, Brunson, again, makes the shot, but Hart keeping his cool burns 20 seconds on that possession. And that was huge at that point. Went from a four-point game to a six-point game. That's all about Josh Hart deciding. I mean, Josh Hart goes down the court and does what most people would do in that spot. He's looking for a layup. He's jacking the ball up. Maybe they score, maybe they don't. Maybe San Antonio gets it, goes back in the other direction and, you know, you know, cuts it to one, right? Hart and had the presence of mind to find Brunson, find the right matchup, and to clear the floor. That's what these guys do, man. Like they're just, they just really, they, they, they, they're just, you know, again, they're locked in and they really see the floor without the same emotion a lot of teams get into. You know, Brunson, again, the difference, the difference in that game was the split second in game two, where Brunson realized he could draw a foul if he leaned a little bit, if where Brunson saw what was going on, and Wembiana just lost control of his head just for a half second. You know, that's who the Knicks are. I mean, that's their margin. Their margin isn't huge. They're not a great team, but they are playing like one right now. I mean, we've never seen a 13-game run like this in the playoffs before. I mean, it's not it's exceptional. And I think you're right, Justin. It's that that coolness under pressure. Brunson is the essence of it, but all those guys really feed off that. They do not get rattled.

SPEAKER_04 29:33

But let's not forget three of those guys been playing together since college. Jay Wright. Yeah. The Villanova basketball factory. And and they really and there's something about that, right? There's something about that camaraderie, the the times they've done it before. The times they won at Villanova. That and and this coach understands the bench, which last year's coach didn't. And that bench has been incredible. When guys are slow, what's his name? He had 20 points, right? Uh came off the bench.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

Okay, Bridges. Shaman had 13. I bridges had 20, but uh, I'm trying to think who might be. Um I'm not sure which game way with. But yeah, no, they're getting they're getting guys like Miles McBride giving him 10 minutes off the bench that are valuable. They there's no there's no guy that's ever on the floor when you look at the Knicks' roster, at least for the last 13 games, where you're like, oh God, they gotta, they gotta hide that guy. You know, like everybody, everybody, everybody plays their position. Everybody sort of has, you know, finds their niche and their value out there, you know. And Brown's done a great job bringing that together. I agree with you though, Judge. Like, I think Thibodeau last year tended to lean on the starters really hard, and the bench didn't always contribute in ways that I think they could have. This team really, everybody feels like, you know, like if they're on the floor for a minute, they're giving them a good minute, you know. So that's what it's been. And I think uh, you know, again, tonight that's gonna be a huge part of it because I think the Spurs came out much more aggressive in game two. They really attacked the glass. I think they're gonna come out crazy. They didn't finish. Yeah. They didn't finish.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

They had a 14-point lead and the refs in their pocket, and they didn't finish.

SPEAKER_02 31:20

Yeah, yeah. I mean, the the Spurs, I mean, the Spurs kept coming. I mean, I I I don't think the Spurs team is done. I mean, it's it's you know, I I think they gotta win tonight. You know, like they they can't, you know, they can't go down 3-0. I mean, I guess they can go down 3-0, but I mean, already losing the first two at home, nobody's ever come back from that. Come through 3-0, it's like, you know, then again, you know, I I don't want to bring up teams coming back from 3-0 because I know you're you're all some Yankee fans, and that's a sore subject. So I'll just I'll just skip on past that. But the Knicks are probably gonna win the series if they win tonight, but I think you're gonna see a Spurs team come out with fire in their eyes, you know? And if the Knicks lose tonight, I mean, this is the spotlight. There's people How did they not come out with fire in their eyes in game two? I think they did. I think I I I think in the second half they got tentative. They really came, you know, early in the game when beyond, I kept going to the glass over and over. And it's like in the second half, he kind of got a little he got tentative. I mean, it's the first time in the playoffs I've seen him really sort of shrink away from the role. But, you know, you know, Brunson didn't. So, you know, I again that's that that's what made the difference. I think tonight you're gonna see a Spurs team, you know, Darren Fox is playing totally banged up, but he's gonna come out on fire. These guys are gonna come out playing really hard. They're gonna give the Knicks their best shot. And I think if the Knicks can weather the. But I think they have done that.

SPEAKER_04 32:44

I think they have given the Knicks their best shot. And the Knicks and the Knicks and the Knicks keep doing the same thing. Yeah. Like, guys, we've been here before. We know what to do. And they go out and do it. And even what I find amazing about the Knicks is no matter how bad they play, they don't give up. Yeah. And that's what great teams do. Sure. They come back, we can win this. They're down a handful of points towards the end of the game. And you're saying yourself, there's four minutes. Well, what happens? Spurs miss a basket, they get a rebound, Brunson hits a three-pointer. Next thing you know, they're down a point.

SPEAKER_02 33:23

Yeah. The only thing concerns me is, you know, this 13-game run has been magical, right? They they've gotten, they've made plays every time they need to make one. You know, I do wonder when you get a run like this, what happens if you lose a game? You know, like what happens if all of

Garden Security And A Presidential Visit

SPEAKER_02 33:42

a sudden they blow a 20-point lead or something like that? Does that change? Does that rattle get get in their head? I think the Knicks aren't likely to get rattled, but the game tonight, I mean, like I said, the cheapest seat in there is what, $12,000? And that's uh in the 300 section. People have to do that. It's funny the prices are on this game.

SPEAKER_04 33:58

So now that the president came and's going to the game tonight, all the prices dropped. Joe. Because the second they put a fence blocks around the garden. They're not letting anybody in. And everybody's got to be screened. You got to have a ticket, no handbags. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 34:19

Well, you know, I get actually the Knicks, you know, are they I guess they they they don't have to do pregame interviews for the first time. So they probably are thrilled about that because, you know, they're not letting the press anywhere near the team because of this. So it in in a way that might actually be a good thing for the Knicks because having, I mean, they're gonna have, you know, people just flying at them. They usually in this situation would have a ton of people coming at them, especially, you know, this is like the one of the biggest, you know, basketball stores in Newark in my lifetime, right? And, you know, the amount of pressure, you know, kind of having that away from them, having Trump there and having something else to focus on almost, I think, helps the Knicks. Uh it does. I, in my opinion, it does. It takes a little bit of pressure off the game, which, you know, again, it's it's you know, the political part of it, I don't, I, you know, it it's it's whether a president should be a bit of a basketball game, I don't care. Uh but you know, I mean, again, I think it's cool. I I think, you know, basketball's a big thing. Having the president of the United States there is a cool thing, whatever. But I do think for the Knicks, it actually might be an advantage because they the the there it's not the whole will they win it story completely. It's the you know, the the fence, Trump being there, other things like that. That actually I think helps them a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 35:29

I think the team will do a fine job of separating that moment from the game itself. Once the tip-off happens, they're locked in. As far as the president being at the game, I think there's a little bit more to it for us as fans, especially New York fans, living in this post-9-11 world where as abnormal as this presidency may be, or him as a president, politics aside, there's normalcy to us as a country hosting one of our championship events, sporting events, and having the president of the United States be there. And example that it's safe to be here and it's a healthy environment for everybody. And outside of politics, we can celebrate this and also it puts the spotlight on the men and women in uniform that protect us every day and never really get the due that they deserve. So as much as it puts more onus on them to come to work today and be there in overtime and everything else, and all the money that's involved in Secret Service and planning this out and whatever, it they get their due today, and it shouldn't go unnoticed that the men and women who served to protect us are in the spotlight tonight, and they deserve just as much credit as anybody else. Sure.

SPEAKER_02 36:38

And I the one thing I did hear that was weird is I heard that Trump was upset that they weren't gonna let him throw the first pitch.

Prop Bets And Playoff Gambling Talk

SPEAKER_02 36:45

Sorry. So here's here's one cheap shot. Go ahead, Judge. Sorry.

SPEAKER_04 36:49

I So here's the here's a bet on uh DraftKings. New York state of mind. Knicks win. Brunson has plus thirty, Towns has plus twelve rebounds. I take I'll take that. I'd definitely take that. And OG has two steals. You know, the ball might fall into a say in C 63 people took this because it's plus 1,300.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

Yeah, yeah. That's you know, that could happen to any NBA player and uh, you know, being on the floor 30 minutes. Probably he managed two steals. I can see that.

SPEAKER_04 37:34

So here's the Shaq bet on here. Wemby plus 25 points, Brunson twenty plus twenty-five points, Castle six plus assists, and Chemet two threes.

SPEAKER_02 37:52

I I can see I like the first bet better. I think I could you can bank on the town's number. 30 points from Brunson if he I mean he's taking almost 30 shots a game. So, you know, like you know, you know, putting putting 30 in is not okay, that wouldn't be outrageous. So here's the Stephen A bet. Wow, it's that it happening twice was lightning striking. So So here's the Stephen A bet.

SPEAKER_04 38:19

Knicks win. Carl Anthony Towns has a double double. Okay, which he does every night. So yeah. Michael Bridges plus 15 points. Oh, I what what's what's the what's the number on it? Plus 335. Seriously? Okay ten dollars please forty-three dollars.

SPEAKER_02 38:41

I'm gonna get a box card down on that tonight. That sounds okay. Um yeah, no, that that that I would that I do. That, you know what the kids don't need to go to college next year. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just gonna take the tuition and put it into that. Actually, I love that bet. I mean, I would do that in a heartbeat as long as I didn't have to pay for it if I lost.

Wembanyama’s Missing Low-Post Game

SPEAKER_00 39:03

So speaking of all these bets and points, uh, how do you think where are Wemby's 25 points coming from tonight? Because what I haven't seen in this series, and you're probably not gonna see it because I I don't know that that's his game right now. Wemby in the low post is nonexistent so far as well.

SPEAKER_02 39:19

Although he had he had hit probably the best low post movies had all year, late in the late in the fourth. I mean, that one up and under move was gorgeous. Why is he not why is he not there all game? It's it's just not his game. You know, he's he's he's taken 21 shots in both games. First game, he was really desperate to start his game at to start hitting threes early. I mean, the Knicks guarded him brilliantly in the first game because they pushed him off the line. He could never catch the ball and get a real good shot.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

He was gassed at the end of the first half in game two. He was standing there with his hands on his hips and he was gassed. And I know he had a big speech in the third quarter and they were up and everything else, but he didn't finish. And for them to win a championship, whether it's this year or sometime in his future, he has to develop a low post game because otherwise he's gonna be running the floor all night long, and every team is gonna do the same thing. They're just gonna wear him out. You want to shoot three pointers, big guy? Shoot him all. I'd let him shoot all day. You could stay out there all day long. Well, because he's dangerous in the world.

SPEAKER_02 40:19

He's a minute and night player in the regular season, but like, you know, he's had to what the one of the OKC series, I think he played 28 in one game. Everything was like north of 40 minutes. He played basically the whole time in a double overtime game. I mean, legitimately, like his legs are probably what is he, 22 years old?

SPEAKER_00 40:36

I don't expect him to be Hakim Alajwan under the basket. But I have to say, if you're the coach of that team and you're not working with this kid day in and day out to become a premier low post player, you are not doing your job.

SPEAKER_02 40:48

Well, you know, but it it was interesting to see how Brown came out in the first game defensively again, because they what they did really was they gave the inside to, you know, they let Wembiana come inside. They were they were taking the three-point shot away. To see a guy. They can do that with Josh Hart crashing the boards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was fascinating how they they really kind of, you know, they were playing him like he was a perimeter player. And I agree with you. I mean, I think he needs to be able for stretches of the game to get the ball down low and score. He can do it and has done it. You know, I love when they go the high pick and roll with the lob to him or something like that. But yeah, like a little bit of back to the basket stuff. I felt like he did that, he did that on that one play in the in the fourth quarter that was it was huge. I'd like to see them do more of that tonight. He was attacking the glass, he was up coming off the dribble, you know, which is something that, you know, at 7'5 with the strength he has coming at the basket, that's awesome. But yeah, I'd like to see him catch the ball down low once in a while. I agree with you. I mean, you know, maybe, you know, again, it it opens up another component of his game. But, you know, because the Knicks are the Knicks are really determined. I mean, you know, he's he took he was two for nine from three in the first game, two for six in the second game, but they are like determined to not let him get settled in outside. So he's gonna have to do something in the paint if they want to win today.

SPEAKER_04 42:06

Okay, can I give you one more hypothetical bet? Absolutely. Hypothetically, someone bet 200 for the Knicks to win before the series, that was to pay 540. Okay. They're offering a cash out of 400.

unknown 42:28

Right.

SPEAKER_04 42:29

So you double your money. Double your money by hitting a button.

SPEAKER_00 42:33

Yeah. Yeah, I I think you know, I wouldn't blame it for taking the money and running, but I mean, at this point. You know, all indications being the Knicks gonna win. You're only what are you losing? A hundred bucks, $130? Yeah. You want to take the money and run and double down. Take the $200 and reinvest it on one of those parlays.

SPEAKER_02 42:55

Well, and you you That's what they're gonna do anyway. Yeah. Like, you gotta figure like, are the Knicks gonna I mean, you know, Madison Square Garden hasn't been a great place historically for the Knicks. They've lost some pretty huge games there. It's kind of been a house of horrors over the years.

SPEAKER_00 43:07

But like the idea that they're gonna court advantage is not what it was once was across the NBA.

SPEAKER_02 43:12

But the idea that they're gonna lose like two or three games at home is kind of hard to imagine. So yeah, I I I I you know, I I I ride with this. I mean, the fact that they've won two on the road already in this series is unbelievable to me. So, you know, I mean, and then the question is can they go to San Antonio and one? Yeah, they can. So it's like a I I I you know, like, yeah, I I I I can see taking a little more on that. But, you know, again, with other people's money. Because gambling is not safe, kids. It's bad for you, it's bad for your family. Ruin Pete Rose's career. Stay away. Sorry, true. Let's let's talk more prop bets.

SPEAKER_04 43:50

But he he didn't really ruin his career. His career was great. His career was great, actually.

SPEAKER_00 43:56

Ruined his legacy is what he did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

Yeah, well, there's that.

SPEAKER_00 43:59

And and what He did to his teammates by lying to them after them having gone to bat for him for the Hall of Fame is really what would soured everybody else. Yeah. But again, I don't think, you know, I don't think the commissioner handled it properly from Jump Street.

SPEAKER_04 44:14

So I'm looking back at my old bets and I see Kinsaw State on here. Did you bet on Kinshaw State? Did I do did I talk into that one? My apologies. No. It was during the NCAA I paid him out for out of the gate. All right, cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:28

So I wanted to mention um I was gonna say with all the stuff that happening happened with Kennesaw State with gambling, though, we probably shouldn't mention that. So here'sn't been a good year necessarily for searches that have gambling and Kennesaw State in it.

SPEAKER_04 44:45

So uh So here's another one Brunson plus 20, Wimby plus 20, Towns plus 20, Fox plus 20. I think Fox screws you up.

SPEAKER_00 45:01

Yeah, the odds on that. What does that pay?

SPEAKER_02 45:05

Plus 900. Wow. You know, the the Fox is Fox is legitimately hurt. For that to happen, for all those guys to get 20, you got to have a very high scoring game. I mean, what do we have to tell 20? Brunson's got 20. 1,000 people bet that. Yeah, I I get that. I mean, but you know, the thing with Fox is like I I have no, I mean, he's he's a he's a good big game player. He's really hurt, though. I mean, he's got no burst. I mean, literally, he can't push off his he's got here's another one.

SPEAKER_04 45:35

Brunson, three three-pointers. Okay. Champagne, three three-pointers. Anobi, three, two three-pointers. Vassal, two three-pointers.

SPEAKER_02 45:50

Yeah, not impossible. The Brunson one seems like, you know, I mean, he's he's only hit two in both games so far, but I mean, you know, at home, he'll knock a few down. Yeah, when you start to get into OG, you know, I don't know. You know, it's like I who who knows how many he's gonna take. It really, a lot of that stuff, those prop bets are hard because it's like a lot of it's based on the flow of the game and you know, and what's available. So that's you know, again, it's it's like flipping a coin.

SPEAKER_04 46:16

So I wanted to give you where is it? Brunson Burner. Uh Brunson plus 30 points, Brunson plus uh threes, Brunson six assists plus Brunson four rebounds.

SPEAKER_02 46:36

Oh yeah. Yeah, that's a w what what are they giving you? Plus plus 200 on that or what? Plus 850. Really? Oh yeah, okay, no, definitely. Definitely, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:51

Now when it says 30 plus points, does that mean 30 gets it, or you need 31?

SPEAKER_02 46:59

I don't know that. I I think it's I think yeah, if you I was gonna say they did they have it at 30 and a half or 29 and a half or something like that. No, they have 30 plus. That's interesting. It might be the yeah, I mean, is what's the rule? Usually on a parlay, if I I forget if but yeah. I'm trying to I I don't know. Like prop bits have such weird rules sometimes, but I think on the I think on certain type of parlays, if one I I don't know. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna explain it right now.

SPEAKER_04 47:23

Here you go. Empire sweep. Knicks win, Yankees win, Liberty win. Pays plus six for five. I don't know. What do you think? And the Liberty's playing Connecticut, so Yanks are playing Cleveland.

SPEAKER_00 47:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 47:44

Oh, I thought I thought they've been listening to pitching series.

SPEAKER_00 47:47

No, yeah, who's pitching? I I don't I don't like that.

SPEAKER_04 47:50

I don't I don't know. I don't trust anything. I don't like that.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

So cross-pollinating the sports in the prop bet.

SPEAKER_02 47:57

Yeah, that's weird too. You know, it's like especially because the numbers get all like messed up like when they do the when they have this those those uh bets where you can bet like football and basketball and like you know, change uh teasers or whatever, and you can change it around.

SPEAKER_04 48:10

Well, it's okay if you're in the playoffs, right? Yeah. Basketball. You know they're gonna win if they can win. Yes. In the regular season, you don't know what they're gonna do.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

You don't even know who's gonna play. Absolutely. I wouldn't touch the NBA. College is a uh for me, college is much more fun to bet because you know everybody's pretty you know pretty much what you're gonna get out of every team every night. Uh in the NBA, like, you know, you might find out, you know, 10 minutes into a game somebody's gonna play 20 minutes who you thought was gonna play the whole game. So, you know, who knows? I like raising my hand. I found this button. That is cool. I noticed that. I thought you were gonna we were going for like high fives or like you know, something like that, or like can we do fist bumps or can do this too. Oh, nice. Are you guys gonna actually talk about soccer after the F to be?

SPEAKER_04 48:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:53

What Justin, you got something growing out of your head?

SPEAKER_02 48:55

What is that? Oh no, I thought you made that happen. It looks like something's growing out.

SPEAKER_00 48:57

Yeah, it's the lighting behind me. I didn't uh check my lighting. That's the the Yankees baseball bat cup. It's sitting right under the light. So it looks like a spike, kind of like a unicorn. So yeah, no, it's a good look for you though. The unicorn thing.

SPEAKER_01 49:13

The uh the the uh is that better? Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_02 49:17

So so this is you guys are really gonna talk about soccer?

SPEAKER_03 49:20

Like on purpose.

SPEAKER_04 49:20

We can we can do this too, ready?

SPEAKER_03 49:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

God, that makes me feel better, you know? Just like I like that.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

I don't know, it's weird when it cuts it off. I like it.

SPEAKER_02 49:59

Oh, I I need one of those following me around all the time.

SPEAKER_00 50:02

Mark is probably waiting, like, what the hell are these guys? Well, no, but you're gonna talk about soccer.

SPEAKER_01 50:07

Like, I didn't think you guys covered Mark. I don't know. We're gonna just do a preview. Well, but like, is isn't soccer invented by Karl Marx, or is that a rumor?

SPEAKER_02 50:22

I heard the rumor.

SPEAKER_01 50:24

There's a whole international communist conspiracy based around soccer, and like

Cash-Out Decisions And Cross-Sport Parlays

SPEAKER_01 50:29

that's a whole nother podcast. Didn't the Soviets win it like 37 times in a row? And like, you know, like didn't Cuba won it one year, then North Korea won it, and like it's it's isn't it like fully a communist sport? I've heard is that is that true? Or no comment.

SPEAKER_02 50:44

Didn't I heard Joseph Stalin actually scored the game-winning goal against Peru one year? Is I don't know if that's true, but again, it's the hand of God, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 50:54

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

Yeah, that no, I think the World Cup is cool. It's weird though. I don't know anything about it. I just I just know that the the Belgians dress in orange, so I root for that. Never mind.

SPEAKER_04 51:04

So the best thing I like about Marx is that he he pleads all this stuff, yet he married Jenny von Westfall, whose father was nobility. They were aristocrats.

SPEAKER_02 51:17

Yeah, and whose son was and whose son was Paul Westfall, who used to coach uh the Phoenix Suns, played for the Suns for years. No, I'm not, he's not Karl Marx's kid. I just I just would roll him with that. But great kid. But yeah, but actually 50 years ago on the fourth was the game Paul Westfall had was involved in. That was the the the I sent you guys the Garfield Heard game, the uh the triple overtime game in Boston. So that was, and again, so Paul Westfall, who was Karl Marx's grandson, had one of the big plays in that game that sent it to triple overtime. So yeah. I judge, I never thought you'd start a sentence with the thing I love about Mark. Neither did he.

SPEAKER_04 51:56

Well, I read all that stuff, right? I read it, you know, I read all Marx and because I studied the law, I'm a law and society major, and I studied all that crap. So I could, you know, if you wanted to have a, you know, so what I'm I'm doing is podcast on our other podcast history's agenda. And the the guy starts talking about he did remote viewing, and he talks about that he went back to some ancient Samaria where it was the code of Hammurabi. And I'm like, dude, you're the only, I'm the only guy that could ever do a podcast with that actually studied the code of Hammurabi. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:35

I think I don't even think Hammurabi studied it. I mean, I I you know, like that was, but but so that oh, I remember you actually, I think I've listened to that. That was the guy, the remote viewing guy. That was that was kind of fascinating, actually. Well uh are you gonna do like a straight Marxist podcast? I mean, I want to go on the Marxist podcast and like can I can I can I come up with that?

SPEAKER_04 52:55

I'm not gonna do a Marxist anything. Okay. I I don't I don't, you know what you're doing soccer, you're already halfway there. You're a fellow at this point. That stuff needs to be dead and buried, as far as I'm concerned. There's socialism, socialism and communism does not work. And any any any government in the past that has tried it has failed. Well, that's and but except the World Cup keeps going.

SPEAKER_00 53:20

Time of death, 557. We went 10 months and 57 minutes without talking about politics.

SPEAKER_01 53:28

Okay, it's not politics. Now that you're bringing soccer into it, it's not politics. This is America, man. Capitalism.

SPEAKER_00 53:35

We don't have sports gonna come in on the edge of this.

SPEAKER_02 53:41

I'm totally ruining his leading. Sorry, dude.

SPEAKER_00 53:44

You're watching sports live with Steven Justin. We're talking with the rabbi Keith Spillet from the uh CollegeBasketball Times.com and of course the American Basketball Hall of Fame. Keith, what's your prediction on tonight's game?

unknown 53:58

Bing.

SPEAKER_01 54:00

I'm going, I'm going, uh, yeah, Knicks 109. Everybody wins 91.

SPEAKER_04 54:05

They're gonna bring out, it's gonna, it's gonna end after three games. Everybody's gonna win, and everybody's gonna get a trophy.

SPEAKER_02 54:11

I'm good. As long as the Knicks are part of that, everybody's gonna win because I'm not waiting another 50 six.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

Everybody wins. We're not keeping score. Everybody wins.

SPEAKER_02 54:19

I'm good. If everybody listen, if everybody's got to win for the Knicks to win, I'm okay with it. Just my God, the Knicks need to win.

SPEAKER_00 54:26

If we're

Soccer Jokes Then Final Prediction

SPEAKER_00 54:27

here next week and it's 2-2, I want to know what Yankee fans sold the soul to the devil. That Judge had to go on a six weeks of hiatus with a phantom injury, mysterious injury, for the Knicks to win a championship this year. I know somebody made a deal with the devil out there.

SPEAKER_02 54:42

Entirely possible. I made I've made several over the years, been very, very possible. Come on, Rabbi. Hey, but you're right.

SPEAKER_04 54:52

Rabbi, it's been a pleasure. It has been. Thank for all your kind words, and we will see what happens tonight, and we'll see you back next week to talk about how the Knicks won the finals.

SPEAKER_02 55:05

Absolutely. Can't wait. See you guys.

SPEAKER_04 55:11

Am I supposed to put you out or you're gonna go out on your own? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 55:15

I don't know how to how I can't leave. Usually the noise, the music comes up, but now because it's not, I don't know what to do.

SPEAKER_00 55:23

I don't think you can X out. Do you have the X to the top left? I'm trying.

SPEAKER_01 55:27

I I don't know. Or maybe it's uh if I if I don't get out of here, I'm gonna have to talk about soccer. Oh God. Hi, Angela.

SPEAKER_02 55:41

All right, I'm gonna X out here, I think. I think I'm gone now. Goodbye. No, wait, that's wrong. I'm sorry. Well, God, I'm sorry. I'm like the guest that came out.

SPEAKER_04 55:50

I mean, they changed the software. They messed me up. It used to say, here's how you, you know, get rid of. So but I don't see it. Listen, I could I could block you. Okay, that works. I'm out. Good night. I'm back. So let's leave it at that. Jake's Mage. And bring you back. But I'm gonna block you. See you later, Rabbi. Log out. Good night, Rabbi.