Sports Cinema Deep Dive with Steve, Justin and The Rabbi

Picking a couple “best sports movies” should be easy, right up until you realize you have about twenty you would defend in court. We start part two of our live hang by setting up a sports movie draft, then immediately tumble into a fast, opinionated watchlist: baseball staples like Major League, kid classics like Rookie of the Year and Little Big League, and football favorites that range from Any Given Sunday to The Longest Yard and even the front-office chess of Draft Day.

From there, the conversation finds its emotional center in boxing films. We talk about why the ring is such a perfect setup for storytelling, and why The Champ still hits like a gut punch decades later. That thread pulls in heavy hitters like Raging Bull, The Fighter, and Million Dollar Baby, plus a nod to Fight Club and the strange truth that combat on screen can be both brutal and oddly revealing.

Then we pivot to hockey with Slap Shot, not just as a comedy but as sharp sports satire about money, spectacle, and what happens when the “product” starts to crowd out the game. And because our movie brains never stay on one track, we detour through The Hustler, Twilight Zone memories, classic Western directors, and even the weird world of movies you suddenly cannot find anywhere. There is also a quick plug for our other show, History Agenda, where we go deeper on UFOs and remote viewing.

If you love sports movies, film history, and chaotic recommendation energy, queue this up, then tell us your all-time favorite sports film. Subscribe, share the episode with a friend, and leave a review so more movie fans can find us.

Transcript

Welcome And Part Two Setup

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hello everyone and welcome back to part two of our live broadcast from from Monday. I kind of split it up only because now we're going to start talking about sports movies that goes on to all kinds of movies. So we the first part, if you haven't seen it, please go back and watch it about the NBA draft and trades and what we predict. And now that we're going to start our conversations regarding sports movies, which gets into all kinds of movies. I hope you enjoy it. Please like and subscribe. Thank you. Next

Planning A Sports Movie Draft

SPEAKER_01 0:52

week, if you guys are interested, we'll do our movie. Oh, yeah. Let's do it. Everybody, you know, the three of us are going to pick two movies each. Sports movies. And feel free in the comments or message us or on any of the things, let us know what your favorite sports movies are. Um I'm having a hard time picking just two.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

I've been I've been all over the map with this one, too, Judge. I'm like, you know, I mean, I got like 20. I I I I try to put together a list of like the my ten favorite just to winnow it down. And like I like six six of them are boxing films, so I figure that's like one category. But man, there's a lot of good sports films. I didn't even think I didn't even think about boxing, to be honest. Yeah. Well, here's one. Like the other one I was thinking about, do we count in that? Are we gonna count film something? I'm sorry, Justin.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

We get sidetracked again.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

Yeah, we I'm hearing something upstairs and nobody's home, and I don't know if the dog is in trouble or not. It's cash.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

You want to go, you go.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

I'm hearing a banging out there.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

We'll be here. We're gonna talk. We'll talk about movies for five minutes.

unknown 1:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

So yeah, I mean, if you want to if you want to know what my two I'm picking, I'll tell you. And all right.

Baseball Kid Movies And Classics

SPEAKER_01 2:00

I mean your mom said Major League, Justin. I mean Yeah, that that was I was thinking about it. I mean, I I I I didn't I like that, you know. I loved Angels in the Outfield, stupid movies. If you want a stupid movie, but you know, uh any of the ones that Ken Coster were in are fine. I think for if you're talking about baseball movie, I I th I think it's my god, I hate when things blow right out of my head. I I think it's for the love of the game.

unknown 2:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Even though the other two movies are my favorite, I think for the love of the game, corners baseball. Yeah. What it does, what it meant to be play it, what it means to play with other people that are better than you, which everyone does except for a handful. I think that's right. And the other is probably one of the funniest movies, and it really covers the other part of the game, and that's the fans, and that's Celtic Pride. I don't know if you've ever seen it.

SPEAKER_00 3:01

Celtic Pride is just a hysterical. Yes, I agree. Totally underrated film, too. Was it Randy Quaid in that? That was yeah, that was a fun movie, man.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Like uh like Randy Quaid was an angels in the outfield, too. Remember, he was the guy screaming in the back? Uh you know, we could do a Rookie of the Year, those kid kind of movies.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

Rookie of the Year is a great movie. I I I I absolutely love that one. And there were the two kid films. There was the one, The Kid Who Owns the Minnesota Twins, and then there was the one the kid throws 107 miles an hour and they put him on the Cubs, you know, and it was like both of them were absurd. That's Rookie of the Year.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

The kid that throws the that breaks his arm and then he becomes and that's Rookie of the Year.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

And then Little Big League is the one that that Minnesota. And that movie is actually really that movie's legitimately very funny because Daniel Stern, who, you know, I mean, you know, he's uh one of the great physical actors of all time. You know, everybody remembers him from Home Alone, but I would say in terms of physical comedy, some of the stuff he does in Little Big League is like absolutely hysterical. Also, it's a film with Timothy Busfield around children, so that's probably not a film we we want to cover. But yeah, that was gonna say that that was well.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

The other the other baseball one that's really good is you mentioned Dennis Quaid, and that is rookie. Yeah. When when he's the coach of the baseball team and they make him go out and try out again, and he makes the team, and it's a true story.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

I remember when that story happened, thinking to myself, there's no way it's like the 37 years old, and the and the Rays brought him up, and you're like, wow, you know, like that was a cool story.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

I mean, if I was gonna and I and I'll let you guys talk after this. If I was gonna pick football, it would be any given Sunday. I love that movie. I I I agree. It's the best war film I've ever seen about football. And the stupid one, the replacements.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

That's a great one. Yeah. No, it's fun. I mean football, I would I would probably I would probably go with North Dallas 40.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

And uh very good. I forgot about that one. Good one.

SPEAKER_02 5:07

And uh semi-titans. Yeah, remember remember the Titans, just because I I love that movie. I love Denzel. It's sure it's a great movie. Baseball, obviously, I'd go with Major League. If I had to throw a second baseball movie in there, just because I love Alan Arkin, I would go with um Million Dollar Arm, where they they go out to India. John Hamm goes out to like India to recruit, which is also, you know, that's a true.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

I forgot about that one. Yeah, that's a pretty funny movie.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

And it's I don't think it's meant to be a comedy, but it's it's a pretty good standalone

The Champ And Boxing Movie Power

SPEAKER_02 5:36

movie. Uh but the two movies I picked for our little thing is Major League and The Champ. And the Champ is probably the closest thing I could say to for the love of the game, because it's it's a boxing movie with horse racing. And there's no there's no horse race and there's only one fight, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:53

Well, and it was funny when you said the champ, I started thinking about different, you know, different kinds of films that were sports films, and I've started thinking about like like over the top, the Stallone arm wrestling film. Then I realized it is exactly the same film as The Champ. Like the same story, it's just one's about armor wrestling, one's about boxing, and the room.

SPEAKER_02 6:11

The ending of The Champ is by far the best Hollywood ending to a movie that's not a traditional Hollywood ending.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

Yes, yes, that's where that gets there. Right?

SPEAKER_02 6:20

I had to re- I had to re-watch the movie because I hadn't seen it probably since I was five years old or six years old. And you want to talk about childhood trauma. It was incredible to re-watch that movie. The acting was actually I mean, John Voigt is incredible. Yes. And I mean he's a great actor on his own to begin with. And then you got Faye Dunaway, who everything in the opinion was overacting, but it was so over the top that it was it made it good because that's the character that she had to play. But the exchange between John Voigt and Ricky Schroeder was I mean, talk about pulling out your hair, your heartstrings. If if anybody had, I mean, I experienced it at a very young age, so it was traumatic for me. But rewatching it at 50 years old, I mean, it's a great movie. I mean, there's so many little things in there that happen that you can relate to and that you can appreciate. Because everybody I think knows a guy like that, but I mean, not a a boxing champion, but you know somebody who acts that way. You know a lot of characters in that move in that movie, much like Rocky Warner 2, you know, people that are like the characters in that movie. So rather than be cliche and go with Rocky or Rocky Two.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

On boxing movies, and forgive me, I forgot the big one, Raging Ball. Yeah, yeah. That one I I mean that that's really a great. And I don't know if you've ever seen Requiem for a Heavyweight.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

Yes, Anthony Quinn, uh written by Rod Sterling. I was actually talking to Tom about that today. That's really weird. Yeah, we're and it's uh today? Yeah, what do you guys think? I don't know. It's all blue and one believe.

SPEAKER_01 7:53

You know, The Harder They Fall, which is about uh, you know, if you really want to see a documentary, it's called Unforgivable Blackness, The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson. And it and it's a documentary done by Ked Burns. I saw that about about Jack Johnson, who was a heavyweight champ, his wife was a white woman in the time.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

It was basically illegal. What was the movie? James Earl Jones plays him in a m and I can't think of the name of the film. The film is fantastic as well. Um I gotta do it. No, no, no. The I can't think of the name of it. And he's he's it was like early 70s, fantastic one really great James Earl Jones performance.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

I I know exactly what you're talking about. Let's give me a second, I'll think of it.

SPEAKER_02 8:40

It's not part of a champion.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

No, it's a great film though. No, but it's some name like that. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

The Fighter's a really good boxing movie, too. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

Also a true story. You know, you going back to football, the one that's The Great White Hype. That's it. Well, the great yeah, the Great White Hope was uh Great White Hype was the one where was that exact one? What? Great White Hope. Oh no, I'm thinking, I'm thinking of Digstown. I'm thinking James Woods and Lil Gossett Jr. where he has to fight like 10 guys. Like, you know, there's just so many good bots. Like, is there a bad boxing film ever? Okay, that's not true. There is one bot the one where they bring Stallone in to fight De Niro, rival rematch, that movie was awful. I I I missed that. Boxing boxing films are fabulous. It's to be the perfect setup for a movie.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

So I guess we're gonna do this right now.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

We're gonna talk about movies. Well, no, I mean we do draft. I'll I mean, I like I can do films all day. I mean, I was just thinking about the champ, you know, like one of the things about that film that's unique is they got a director in Franco Zefferelli who had like never done a sports film. His entire background was Shakespearean. And so, like, you're watching this guy do a sports film who doesn't really have a feel for it, but then at the end, the drama part feels right out of like Shakespeare. You're like, the whole movie sets you up for that.

SPEAKER_02 9:58

Yes, the whole movie sets you up for the ending. I mean, it's really, which is, you know, uh let's it's it's Shakespearean in and of itself. But you know, it's a movie that if you're a sports fan and you've seen all these other movies that are, you know, the standard stock movies that we all talk about, you have to see the champ. If you're a Rocky fan, you have to see the champ. If you're a boxing fan, you have to see the champ. It's it's a movie, and if you're a movie person, you've got to see it. It's just it's something you should have on your shelf, so to speak, because it really is an incredible movie that I think probably because of the era, you know, the post-Godfather era of films and these, you know, transitioning into the 80s where they made these giant blockbusters. Of course, Rocky being what it was at the time, and this the the Rocky, you know, trilogy quadruple, whatever. You know, that movie kind of gets lost in that time, but it's it's a movie for all time.

Football Picks And Front Office Films

SPEAKER_01 10:52

Well, to talk about football once again. Invincible's a pretty good movie. Yeah, that's a good movie. With more I forgot all about that one.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Yeah. Story about that. Go ahead and listen. No, that's an off-air one. But uh, the one I like, and I it was like my fate, my favorite sports film growing up, and I actually love the remake of it too, is the longest yard. The longest yard is kind of like uh the original is great because you have all of the you have all like they used real players. So you have Ray Nitsky Nitchkey in it. You have to get it. You have like all of the original one.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

The original one's really good.

SPEAKER_00 11:25

You know, and and you know, the the remake I thought with Sandler was a good film, and you know, but like the original with Burt Reynolds is like, my God, what a fun movie that is. For me, the hardest I've ever laughed in a movie is the scene where Burt Reynolds comes in and Bernadette Peters has her hair done up like Mark Simpson. Right, goes, You ever get spiders caught in that thing? I mean, I lost it when I heard that the first time. So, you know, yeah, no, it's it's that that one, you know, and and again, the remake wasn't bad. Having Jim Rome show up in a movie isn't ideal, usually, but I mean, like that the the remake was actually kind of fun, you know.

SPEAKER_01 12:01

So And you know what's you know what's a really good one, but people miss it because it's kind of like a B movie. And I I'm not sure it was really released in the theaters, was Draft Day.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Yeah, I do I remember that.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

I that's Kevin Costner. Yes, I watch it all the time.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

Yeah, that one it had a feel like it was a less heavy-handed version of Jerry Maguire, right? It was kind of like it was it didn't have the Jerry Maguire is a great heartstring puller, but it like some of it is a little bit much for me. But yeah, I thought Draft Day was a little bit more. That's a love story. Yeah. Yeah, Draft Day was a little bit more than a lot of things. I mean, it's a chit flick. Draft Day is about how he maneuvers everything, you know. So yes. I I kind of as far as you know, films about drafts and agents, like I I kind of Well, that's like saying heavy can weight is a is a football film, you know. Yes, it is. Both versions of it. I th there is a uh there's the the Warren Beatty version, but then there was a Chris Rock version of it in 2002 that I think was called Down to Earth that I really liked as well. But the Beatty one was really good. Warren Beatty on the Rams. I mean, perfect. He could have started for the Rams back then, so you know. I think Roman Gabriel was quarterback. He could have come in for Roman Gabriel in Orbans, you know.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

So yeah Boy, did we get tangential today, huh? Yeah, well, we might as well talk about it now because we're on it. I mean, well, I feel like we got to shut up about it.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Anyway, then go ahead. I'm I'm I'm rolling.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

Well, we already am talking about it, so I'm in. You know, it's kind of like I mean, there's so many, and there's so many ones that aren't really about football. Yeah. You know, there's so many ones.

Slap Shot And Hockey Satire

SPEAKER_01 13:36

What other sport are we leaving out?

SPEAKER_00 13:37

Hockey. We didn't mention Slapshot. That's that's very clear, very likely gonna be. Snapshot is the hockey movie. There is nothing else. Well, also, you know, what's great about that that movie though is it's like really it's one of the best satires ever written about a sport because it really is. I mean, it's a you know, like it's a film that's very funny, but also like the whole idea of like how sports and money really don't mix particularly well, and how the product can be cheapened by you know by you know by money being thrown into it. And you know, like really that film does it as well as any film I've ever seen. And it's got, I mean, it's got it's got brilliant moments like that. And then it goes from really, really sharp satire to the Hansen brothers coming on, which is maybe the funniest three minutes in any film ever. I mean, that's like airplane funny. And then you have Froger Martin as the owner, who's fantastic, and Paul Newman just running around. It's a great film, you know.

SPEAKER_02 14:32

Like it's Did any of those other sports movies that we've mentioned have a leading man that's equivalent to Paul Newman? I mean, at that time in air.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

Well, there are very few people that are equivalent to Paul Newman, but that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 14:46

It's like the one movie that has like a serious leading man. Not to knock anyone.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

Draft Day has Kevin Coster, and the baseball movies all have Kevin Costan. But he's not the athlete.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

But how about this one? The only way you can tie it.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

No, but he's an athlete in the other three baseball ones and Field of Dreams and Bull Dorum, which is a great movie, and others.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

The only thing better than Paul Newman is Paul Newman, though. So Paul Newman in The Hustler might be better than Paul Newman in Slapshot, because that is one of the great performances

The Hustler Twilight Zone And Pool

SPEAKER_00 15:16

of all time. With George C. Scott in that film. I mean, I know it's a pool film, but I mean, pool million. I just think that's a good pick. I I love that movie. I do too. Walter Kenneth is a fabulous writer, and I I absolutely love that film.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

So and it always reminds me of the Twilight Zone.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

Yes. Yeah, I was talking to Dom about that too. This is weird. We're like locked into the mouth of the stoner. We're talking about the episode with Walter Mathau.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

Walter Mathau comes out and he and he's like wants to beat the greatest, but the guy doesn't exist anymore. He's dead. No Klugman. Yes. So uh what did I say, Walter Mathau? I'm sorry, I'm getting my uh odd couples mixed up. So, and that's for those of you who don't see it, and you could find these shows of of the Twilight Zone basically everywhere. But so Jack Klugman is this amazing player, but everyone says so he's not as big as the great one, Fats. He's a fats too. It's not Minnesota Fats, but it's someone and it's Jackie Gleason. And and all of a sudden, as Twilight Zone does, he comes back in time and comes back from the grave and plays him and and beats him. So so I get.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

What's funny is I do the same thing. Incredible episode. I always think that Jackie Gleason is the one in the Jackie Gleason's in the hustler, and the one in the in the Twilight Zone episode is Jonathan Winters, who is like clearly Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, that's a big enough. You're right. I make it mistake all the time. And it's like it's it, they're they're both kind of the same performance. And I always I mean, I love I'm a huge Twilight Zone fan. I love that they tried to take like the hustler and basically remake it, but like with a Twilight Zone ending, and that ending does. I mean, that is a killer ending. Um that's always that's a great episode.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

So can I sidetrack for Jackie Gleason for a minute? Oh, yeah, absolutely. We're we're we're rolling. So

UFOs Remote Viewing And Side Podcast

SPEAKER_01 17:10

if anybody, if any talking about movies, if anybody has seen Disclosure Day, there is a reference in the movie Disclosure Day of the president of the United States, Richard Nixon, going to meet his good friend Gleason, Jackie Gleason, to show him it. It was widely known that Gleason was obsessed with UFOs. And the story goes that Nixon, and they reference it in a movie, Nixon wanted to impress upon Gleason how powerful he was, and he took him somewhere, some base in Florida to show him a UFO that they had captured.

SPEAKER_00 17:47

Wow. Okay, I I I got it. I've heard about Disclosure Day. The only thing I I I've talked to a few people who've seen it who really liked it. The only thing I know about it is I looked at the trailer and I saw Francisco Lindor in it, and I'm like, great, we can get him in a trailer, but he's never in the starting lineup, right? But yeah, no, that sounds awesome. And I didn't know the Nixon angle or the Jack, I didn't know the Jackie Gleason story. I didn't realize all that.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

It's a little blurb of reality, and and and every every researcher saying it was true. So that that that Nixon really did that. And they reference a whole bunch of these things. You know, it's funny that the movie comes out right as the government's disclosing these things. And they and, you know, this has to do with my other podcasts. You can watch the whole podcast if you registered. It's called History Agenda. It's also on all the podcasting service, and it's also where we did a two-part deep dive into UFOs as they stand today in our world.

SPEAKER_02 18:40

Pretty incredible stuff, actually.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

And the the the the also, if you want to watch it remotely, if you you can remote view that episode. The remote viewing episode was the one that most mean. That episode blew my mind. But the great thing about the remote, if you if you've studied the remote stuff, you can actually not have the computer on and watch that episode.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

That's not exactly how remote viewing works, but anyway. You'll at least get the coordinates for the judge's time. Just if you want to know more about remote viewing, you can tune into our other look at that.

SPEAKER_00 19:09

That episode in particular, watch it.

SPEAKER_01 19:11

Yeah, the the late the latest one. I there's three I think I've done on remote viewing, but the most recent one has a very sophisticated gentleman who is one of the foremost authorities in remote viewing.

SPEAKER_00 19:24

I I knew I knew almost nothing about it. And after I saw it, I went back and started reading uh the The Men Who Stare at Goats because like I I heard that was exactly it. Yeah, and yeah, you know, the movie I didn't think was great with it, but the book is phenomenal. And they're talking all about it in there, and I'm like, wow, like the whole dude making the ghost heart explode, and you know, but no, the there's there's I mean the remote viewing stuff. I talked a lot this week uh with different people about it, and I'm like fascinated by it. It's actually really an amazing concept. And that that podcast totally got me into it, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

Well, remote viewing is done blindly, it's not like you could be told something and then remote view it. It's done uh double blind or triple blind or whatever it is. So you don't go searching for something you know it is, you go searching for things that you don't know what are, and that's how you know it's it's true, or else, or else three of us would be remote viewing the World Series and put a big bet on.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

I'd be sitting at a poker table if I could see see things that were right in front of me.

Rounders Fight Club And Movie Rules

SPEAKER_02 20:23

Well, yeah, I mean, you know, I thought you wish if you want to add to the movie conversation, rounders I don't know if you consider poker players athletes, but it certainly involves skill, right?

SPEAKER_00 20:34

Great, great film. The one thing that kills me in that film, I just if I got to hear John Malkovich do the Russian accent one more film, I'm dying listening with Oriol Cookie. I'm like, this is just like he's a great actor. Why do you keep doing putting him in this they're doing the man his mind?

SPEAKER_01 20:51

He does that himself. He does that himself. It's like having don't you ever see the guy do the imitation? What's his name from Saturday Live? He goes, I don't talk anything like that. And he goes, You talk exactly like that. He goes.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

I mean, you know, I like that, you know, I I think he's a phenomenal actor, and but like that, but we want to talk about boxing.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

You could talk about fight club.

SPEAKER_00 21:23

Yeah, you want to talk about a movie. That's the rule. But I guess I just did.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

Have you seen the commercial they did from there with the two of them? What's the second rule of fight club?

SPEAKER_00 21:33

I I have not seen that. I gotta check it out. I am uh yeah, no, fight. I mean, like, well, but honestly, like, is there anything more cinematic than two people beating the hell out of each other? You know what I mean? Like, I'll give you another one, and it it it's another one, like it's in the champ territory. You ever see a million dollar baby? Like, God, oh yeah, yeah, it's uh God. Like, I mean, the scene in the end where the family comes to visit her, and you know, Clinius, what is just staring with horror? It's one of the most Heartbreaking movies I've ever seen. But again, any boxing film seems to work except for like the the one I mentioned earlier. I mean, it's like boxing films are almost, you know, it's it's almost the perfect setup for a movie. So, you know, we could probably just do a whole show on boxing. I think we just did actually. So uh the only thing we didn't mention is I didn't mention hands of stone with rodeo. Yeah, and and and Duran, you know, like good one. It's good. I go forever on this stuff.

Rodeo Picks And Peckinpah Rabbit Hole

SPEAKER_02 22:29

The only rodeo movie that comes to mind is Eight Seconds, but I know there's another one with Steve McQueen from probably the 70s. I just I can't think of the name of it, but my father was a big, big rodeo fan.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Eight Seconds is not a bad film, by the way. That's John Abelson who directed the Karate Kid and uh Rocky. And it's like it's he I he does a good job. I thought that was that was about as interested in rodeo as I've ever gotten. I'm trying to think of the one your dad liked. I know your dad loved Jeremiah Johnson. That was like we've talked about him like a hundred times.

SPEAKER_02 22:57

My dad wanted to be Jeremiah Johnson.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Well, the reason why the reason why it was good because it's the directed by Sam Pickinpaw, he's one of the great directors of all time. The name of the movie is Junior Boner. Oh, it's Steve McQueen.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. I haven't seen it. I've seen a lot of Peckin Paw. I've probably watched a wild book. That was in the 70s, right? Yeah. Yeah, like yeah, I you know what? That's that's one I haven't seen. I've seen a lot of Steve McQueen, too. But yeah, I haven't seen that one. Okay, that's going on the list. I'll probably watch that tonight, actually.

SPEAKER_01 23:31

Here's Sam Peckinpaw. Look at this. So here's his spouse. So he was married to Marie Selin, married in 47, divorced in 60. Bagano, Bagano Palacos. He was married in 64, divorced in 65, married again in 65, divorced in 67, then married again in 74. Now you gotta love a guy like that.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

And when he passed away in 1984, he didn't remember any of it. I mean, he was like, he was he was a great director, but he was actually hammered when he was doing those films. I mean, the wild the wild budge was.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

He did Major Dundee, he did the Wild Budge. Oh god, the opening of the Wild Budge. The getaway's and and and that was the one because you know it was redone later on, but that was the one where Ally McGraw was married to what's the guy, the big producer. The guy with the tan all the time. And he went and did the movie, and she had an affair with Steve McQueen.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

That's right, that's right. And you know who's in that one? The guy who plays Virgil the Turk Salazzo in The Godfather. It's like the only other film. He's he like in like three films, like that was one he was in. And like every time I'm like, I feel like he's in the wrong film, you know? What was that? Alateri. You're welcome. There you go. Boom. Oh my god. Alateri reference today. Good night. He did Osterman Weekend. That's that was the last film he did, which is a Robert Ludlum book and kind of a mess of a movie. But if you like Peck and Paw, it's like I didn't think it was a mess of a movie. It was great. Did you like that one?

SPEAKER_01 25:03

I mean, I I you know I like John Hurt, Burst Lancaster, Dennis Hopper. They're all stuck in like a in a vacation house together. I heard, but the the his director's cut was amazing. I haven't seen the director's card. I've never seen it, but I will go back and watch all the bloodshed. Bring me the head of Alfred Alfredo Garcia.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

That's my film. Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia has always been like just, I mean, I you know what was hysterical? They did an episode of that, it was it was one of the episodes of the one of the Disney shows, uh, was the Boba Fett show. And the beginning of it was like a 10-minute homage to Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia. They brought the Mandalorian in and he had to get somebody's head. And I'm like, when I saw that film for the first time, it's literally Warren Oates running around with a head in a back. And you're like, this is the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life. Oh, what a great film, though, man. It's like grotesque, but it's such a cool movie. I mean, it's it's to me, that and the wild bunch, you can't go wrong. I was a cross of he and I had a bunch of Peck and Paul was brain. Just go on, don't you know, watch the podcast next week, but just watch nothing but Sam, but Sam Peckin Paw between now and then you'll be fine.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

You know? Yeah, he he was he was one of those guys, you know. Bloody saying one of those guys that everybody wanted to work with and nobody could tolerate. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

He uh, you know, there there were a lot of good genre directors like that, but I mean for me, West, I mean, you know, like there was you know, Leone's probably my favorite Western director.

John Ford Westerns And Old Hollywood

SPEAKER_00 26:30

Peckinpaw is a very close second. I put both above John Ford, which would get me killed in a lot of conversations, but I just think those two directors are so distinctive that there's just nothing like them. So I just lost all my movie hardcore movie credibility by throwing anybody in front of John Ford, but sorry, what what am I gonna say?

SPEAKER_01 26:46

Did you see, did you see uh the I can't remember the movie, the one that Steven Spielberg did about his childhood and about him becoming a director? Oh, the thing is. Yes, say and he goes in to see Ford. He goes into Steve Ford, and and Ford goes, What do you want, kid? You don't know anything. He goes, You see that picture on the wall? You see that picture, you see where the horizon is. If you got the horizon at the top, oh you got the horizon at the bottom, you're good. If you got the horizon in the middle, you got nothing. Throws him out. Something like that. Well, Ford, Ford didn't I don't remember top, bottom, middle.

SPEAKER_00 27:27

I don't remember. I don't I'm not a big thing. I mean, Ford was great. I don't know if y'all ever saw The Searchers, but like Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

I mean it's the one of the trilogies.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

And and for me, like the only film John Wayne ever played, a bad guy, and to me, John John Wayne's greatest performance by far is the searchers, and John Ford got that out of him. You know, Ford got Henry Fonda's best performance out in the Grapes of Wrath. I mean, he could not only did he have a this panoramic view of the world where he could just see beauty at everything, he he was able to get so much out of every actor. I loved, I mean, I love the guy, but he's no single. Because he was a miserable bastard. Yes, that he was a miserable, yes. I this is this is a common thread in Hollywood, I've heard, which is why I know.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

Here we go. You want to talk about stagecoach, which is your is the one that made John Wayne. One of my faves, and it's not even the big three of the Westerns, My Darling Clementine. Great film opening scene where they're standing in the rain, and he goes, and Walter Brennan goes to Henry Fonda. He goes, Somebody rustled all my cows, so I had to get a job. He goes, A job? What kind of job did you get in Tombstone? He goes, Marshallin. He goes, in Tombstone? And he looks at him like he's crazy. He goes, Oh, what's your name, stranger? And then he goes, Earp, Wyatt, Earp. And you see the blood rush out of Walter Brennan's face, and he walks out into the rain. It's like in the beginning scene.

SPEAKER_00 28:56

It's awesome. Anyway. The the Wyatt Earp story. I mean, how many good movies have I mean, like I could think of at least three great Wyatt Earp movies. You know, Tombstone me the other one that which, yeah, but like I say, that that's the one, you know, the Wyatt Earth.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

I I watched it yesterday. I love that movie.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

It's it's it made Val Kilmer. Yes, I agree. I agree. That in Spartan, I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll go to my grave defending this.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

So wait, he did he did Grapes of Wrath. I wasn't crazy about that, it was a little boring, but he did The Quiet Men, but wait a minute. He did go to the stick to the So then here comes the big ones that he did. Fort Apache, The Searchers, and if you really want to see a movie, you really want to see a movie about the West, you gotta see this one. More people in it than you wouldn't believe. The man who shot Liberty Valence. It's it's a masterpiece. You ever see it, Justin?

SPEAKER_02 29:47

Yeah, as a kid. I used to watch all my friends at all these Westerns on Betamac.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

And really a great, great John Wayne part. You got Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Vera Miles, Lee Marvin. He's with the knife, right?

SPEAKER_02 30:02

And Lee Marvin in the same way.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

Andy Devine.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

I didn't know you were good. Yeah, I didn't know you were good with Western impressions, by the way, Judge. I'm impressed.

SPEAKER_01 30:16

Come on, Andy Devine, the nicest guy. But so he was in Stagecoach, he was in Man of Shot Liberty Valence, he was in How the West Was Won. He was in the adventures of Wild Bill Hickok. He played the voice of Friar Tuck in Robin Hood the Disney movie and whatever. He was in the early one of the stars born 1937. I guess that's Carol Lombard. I forget who the guy is. Frederick Marks.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

Yes, and then you know, just I'm getting in like I'm going my the my tangentometer. I'm like, what's my Frederick, what's my favorite Frederick Marks? My favorite Frederick Marks Marks performance is probably the John Frankenheimer film with uh Bert Lancaster, um, where he plays the president. Uh God. Seven days in May. Yes, that's it. Oh my God, I love him in that film.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

Yeah, like that's a you can give me a high five for that one. Seven days in May. Yeah, that was outstanding.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

I didn't I did not expect anybody to jump in. Part of the Frankenheimer.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

And I own it too. I have it. I watched it about two weeks ago. So I'll give you a good Frederick March story. So my first wife out of the dozen that I've had, the my first wife, her father, and I might have mentioned to you this over the weekend we were talking. Her grandfather was a colonel under Patton, full bird colonel. And he was provincial governor of Sicily when he worked under Patton. And when he came in, they left him to be provincial governor under military occupation when they kicked the Nazis out. And he's gorgeous. Thank you for that. She remembered it wasn't Janet. I said Carol Lombard's Janet Gainer. You're right. I was wrong. But it was Frederick March. So anyway, so there's a town that his wife's family were from that the Nazis, when they left, they took the, and he told me the story, but it also, as you'll know, became famous. They took the bell out of the tower and melted it down. Well, this bell tower was their identity. I don't remember the name of the real town. In the book, it's something different. And so he contacted some ship out at sea, took their bell, because he was a powerful guy, and put it in a tower and made him famous. Well, it got in Stars and Stripes. Tom Hershey wrote a book about it called The Bell for Adono, where he changed all the names. And once Windsor pull its surprise, it becomes a movie with John Houdia and a Broadway play where Frederick March, that's what Brains would be played. So he had all these pictures of all the stuff, and he was a difficult guy. I can't remember his first name off the top of my head. He was a difficult guy. And but he liked me a lot. So we used to talk about stuff. But it was interesting. So he was old and he went to he used to go up to West Point. And one time I went with him. He was so famous on what he did that people would snap to attention and salute him when he was going to the PX. That's cool. So so but but you know, just to give you an idea of American military, what it must have been like. So I'm in I went to school in Italy for a year. We'll leave that aside for now. So I'm in Siena, and I have these, so I'm taking pictures of these murals on the wall, and you can't even use any light. It was before cell phones and crap like that. So you like had a camera and couldn't use a flash because they didn't want the flash to affect the painting. So he's looking through the pictures, you know, and he says to me, Is this in Siena? And I'm like, Yeah. He goes, Oh, that used to be my office. Here's a place you can't even take a flash, and that was his office when he was in the military. Fantastic. And he was very close with Padre Pia. So he amazing guy, it's an amazing guy. And you know what? Nobody in his family appreciated how amazing he was. They were like sick of the stories or whatever, but he because he was Italian, he spoke Italian, and none of the big officers spoke Italian. They were none of them were Italian. They were mostly of of other nationalities that would get promoted in the American military, right? So he was Italian. They never made him a general, even though they he they wanted to. Some wanted to, some didn't. And then Patterson, then Patton died, and that was the end of that. But yes, so he went up the thing and became he was a big shot. That's really cool. And he was tough. Remember when his when he retired or whatever, birthday party? I don't remember his birthday prior. The guys that used to work for him, like you would imagine his driver, his assistant, all the stuff, they're all there. Still there, you know? Just one of those things.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

Yes. I used to look, my grandfather was a DA, so I would get these stories for him. He got to see Patton speak from about 400 yards away. And I, you know, we had watched, you know, he used to watch the beginning, the George C. Scout movie all the time. And I remember saying to him, I was like, it's like, Pop, was Patton, was Patton like that live? He goes, George C. Scout was better. Like, wait up. You know, you know, but but you know, apparently he didn't sound really much like that. So it was uh, you know, it was kind of kind of clever. Crack me up he said that, you know. So anyway, we had dude, I love to. Yeah, well, he took his words movies of more.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

His words about Patton were his words about Patton were this. It was it was pretty straightforward. It was you didn't think about ever questioning his order or doing anything exactly to what he said. He said you would and he goes, Not only didn't do it, you didn't even think about it.

SPEAKER_00 35:25

Because when you stick your hand in a pile of mush that used to be your best friend's face, you'll know what to do. I mean, I I yeah, that patent man, I I could watch that opening a hundred times. You know, again, the general himself was fascinating, but that movie, which uh Francis Ford Copler wrote like two years before he did The Godfather, is like really a great film. But maybe the best opening ever in a film, you know?

SPEAKER_01 35:47

So by the way, John Ford's real name is John Martin Finney.

SPEAKER_03 35:54

I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_01 35:56

He was born February 1st, 1894. How green was my valley with him, too, right? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 36:02

Okay. We didn't mention that and he was only married once. Do you want to do a Western edition of Sports Talk? I I I think that's a good one. If we could do the Western Conference and then just like, you know, John Ford, Sergio Leone stuff and like Sergio Salima. We there's all sorts of folks we can get into, man.

SPEAKER_01 36:19

Any other sports movies you want to? We we're gonna we're gonna nix it next week. What other sports movies you want to talk about before we didn't mention Above the Rim.

SPEAKER_02 36:28

We mentioned any basketball movies?

SPEAKER_01 36:30

Oh, yeah. That's that's a I mentioned Celtic Pride.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

Yes. You know what? Also, we could do a whole show on movies where chimps are doing certain sports. Do you remember the movie with the chimp playing baseball? And then they have the other one where the chimp plays hockey, and then the best of the chimp series is the one where the chimp is a skater. I mean, I I'm not making this up. There are the all three films exist and they exist in different cinematic universes. You know, so like like I mean, yo, let's let's do this, man. Like a chimp chip sports movies, boom, I'm on. They didn't cover that every day.

SPEAKER_02 37:04

How about the villain? Did you ever see The Villain 1979 with Kirk Douglas? The opening scene is him and the in the stagecoach, and guess who guess who's driving the stagecoach? Don't know. A probably 30-year-old, 20-something-year-old Arnold Schwarzenegger. Really? Yeah. I didn't even know that. It's worth watching just for the opening scene. You're like, what the hell is this?

SPEAKER_00 37:27

Oh god. There's a few of those like that in Westerns.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

The one uh it's a comedy too, so it's you know, it's it's a drag.

SPEAKER_00 37:33

I mean, it's a good, it's a it's a fun movie. Well, the the the fistful of dynamite duck you sucker film with Rod Steiger in the opening shot, and you're walking people eating, like that is like the most jarring sequence. And it is, it it feels like comedy when you're watching it because it's and then James Coburn shows up and starts blowing things up. He's like in I he's with the Irish Republican Army. God, what a great film that is. There's just so much, man. Like, Westerns were the best, man. When was the last time a good western came out? Like, what was the last good western you saw in theaters? True grit, maybe? The remake was really good.

SPEAKER_02 38:03

Yeah, the what was the one with Kevin Costner? They're eating the grass. Silverado? Robert Duval, Kevin Costner, and they're they're free grazer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Free range. Oh, about the wire?

SPEAKER_00 38:16

Yes, good film. Uh the uh the three the retail humor was there.

SPEAKER_02 38:21

The revenant, but that's not really a Western.

SPEAKER_00 38:22

No, I don't think it's Western. I didn't like that movie at all. But you know, it used to be like, it used to be like there was like every film, you know, like you know, it was like we got Frank Sinatra, put him on a horse. You know, it was like whoever, you know, they're just like, hey, we got Elvis, put him on a horse.

SPEAKER_01 38:36

Listen, you you want to talk, you want to talk about good Frank Sinatra movies. There's a lot. I think I'd go a little bit more. If you don't see Minchurian candidates, absolutely that's what I thought you were on. That's actually but two of you.

SPEAKER_00 38:48

You want to see an obscure one, you want to see suddenly. Suddenly, yes, man. You you you're really a film fan because that film is not a film I've talked to a lot of people about. That film 1,300 movies on my iTunes account. Okay, I'll give you my favorite synopsis. Silent films. Man with the Golden Arm. My God, what a film. That film is like one of the most I is uh based on a great Nelson Augurn novel. I I that is Frankie Machine in that is the best, you know. So oh man, uh the we we I so you got like old, like what's the earliest film you got on your

Megalopolis Missing Prints And Lost Films

SPEAKER_00 39:23

thing?

SPEAKER_01 39:23

I have some silent films from you know, Charlie Chaplin, uh, who's the other guy? Buster Keaton. Yeah, Buster and and the other guy. I can't think of his name I'm thinking about. Guy with the clock. Yes. Oh my god, why am I? Flavor Flav? Harvard Lloyd.

SPEAKER_00 39:41

That was like the bet, like the weirdest generational switch in history from Lloyd to like, you know, from well, he's pretty old, Flaves. That was like a 90-year gap between that joke right there. That was beautiful, man. The guy with the clock played.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

You know what was a really good Western? The one with Brad Pitt in it. Hold on, I can't remember the name. It's got a lot of the fall?

SPEAKER_00 40:04

Robert The Assassination of Jesse James.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

No, I never the assassination of Jeff Jesse James. Oh my god, is that a good movie? It's got it's got what's his name's brother in it?

SPEAKER_00 40:14

Uh forget the actor in it. Yeah. Yeah, play a goose plays Robert Ford. I can't think of it. But that's uh Andrew Dominic, who's a fabulous director. He's he's done uh what was the one he did? He did that uh the one with Brad Pitt uh Killing Me Softly that I love. Um he also did that Eric there the the film Chopper, the Australian film. I mean, that guy that guy was a great director, but that film it's weird. You gotta really be dug in to watch it to enjoy it. Because it's like two and a half hours and not much happens, but it's good. It's the Assassination.

SPEAKER_01 40:45

And you know, you had the remake at Magnificent Seven, it was okay. It was very good. I I mean, I love that that's by uh uh Antoine Fauquois. Yes, and then you had uh you had uh Beguiled by Sophie Coppola. I love all Sophie Coppola's movies. Great remake. I mean, you really just want to watch everything she did, you know, except for Marie Antoinette. Except what?

SPEAKER_00 41:10

Except what she was acting in the third Godfather, but we'll we'll leave that out. Is that something I liked it? I I I I really like that film as well. And I think it's like unfortunately it's titled The Godfather because it covers, you know, it covers the Roberto Calvi story, which is one of the most utterly fascinating stories ever, and brings it into the Godfather universe. And I I I mean I think Three is a great film. The problem is it's the third best in the series by a pretty good distance. And she's and again, she's a better director than actor, but I think she was, you know, again, that's a magnificent director. Yeah, I mean, like she she's been. I mean, what was it? What was the one with Bill Murray? She did Lost in Translation, which I thought was just. Lost in Translation was great. Yeah, yeah, she did fabulous. I mean, just like Dilma. Did you see the the one I haven't seen? And I thought it was gonna come out on, you know, I I don't usually go to the theater as much anymore, but the the recent copla one, that Megalopolis, I haven't seen it, and I heard it's outrageously cool looking.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

So I've seen it and I get lost in it, and he's you know, he he mortgaged his winery, cost him Aleck $120 million of his own money. The movie Bombed has Adam Driver in it, who's a very good actor. I saw him on Broadway. And he was in Girls, he was very good in girls and did a lot of movies where he's good. And he has taken back every copy. And I'm so you can't see it anywhere. I mean I had it on on like on the uh on the stick, you know, like an illegal copy. And that's how I saw it. We should talk at some point.

SPEAKER_00 42:46

And and and now it's not there anymore. Even the yellow beard copies are gone? Yeah. Because that that's a film like when you know, when it was out of theaters, I was like, you know, i i I just assumed it was gonna be on HBO in two months. I was like, ah, I'll wait till then. You know, and like and it was gone, and it's gone. You can't find it anywhere. It's like it's like the it's uh it's the Jerry Lewis clown film, you know, all of a sudden, you know, like you can't find it anywhere. You know, you know if it's the name of the movie? Uh Megalopolis. The Jerry Lewis Clown film was the the the day of the clown cried, which in itself is the strangest movie story. You you know about that film, right?

SPEAKER_03 43:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:19

Yeah, the Justin, you ever heard that? That was the one where Jerry Lewis played a clown during during in a concentration camp, and it was so awful that Jerry Lewis took every copy of it and ref took it out of circulation so no one could see it. And like only a handful of people who said it was supposed to be released ten years after his death, and it still hasn't come out. So yeah, uh it it it I I hopefully Megalopolis doesn't fall into that category because I'd like to see it sometime before I turn 112.

SPEAKER_01 43:48

But you know, well, I wonder oh, you know what we're forgetting, you're talking about great western dances with wolves. Yes, yeah,

Dances With Wolves Vs Goodfellas

SPEAKER_01 43:54

beautiful. You heard the stor you heard the story about you heard the story about that, right? Where how it came to be. Have you heard it? So Kevin Costner, you know, share an apartment, you know, around the place with this guy who's a friend of his. And, you know, Costner ends up starting to make it, you know, and he ends up starting making money. And this guy starts, but then he kind of falls off. And so Costner is, you know, and then he is, and he's getting married or living with someone, and you know, and this guy's, you know, needs a place to stay, lets him sleep on his couch and use his office. And he's right, he goes, I'm writing the screenplay. It's really good. And I wish you'd read it. And he's like, you know, I've had enough of you. Just get out, take your play and go. Guy go moves to Arizona, contacts him again and gives him a hard time and says, All right, I'll read it. Coster, and he reads it, Dances with Wolves. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 44:45

No, I didn't know that story. You know, Dances with Wolves is probably, I think, I think it's a great film, but it's one of those films that happen to get there are certain films I think that get damned by winning an Academy Award. In a way, that film winning an Academy Award, the year Goodfellas was out, has, I think, in a lot of ways diminished what a great film it was. Because everybody, I anytime you talk about that year, people are always like, well, how did Goodfellas not win? Well, Dances with Wolves was a great film, but I mean like Goodfellows. Great film won. I mean, but I mean Goodfellas, I think, is one of the greatest films ever made. And Dances with Wolves is beautiful, fantastic film, perfectly arguable as best picture, no problem. But as Mike Imperiolis said, you know, when was the last time you just you know pulled Dances with Wolves out? Like, but I watch Goodfellas once every six months, you know, so it's it's it's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 45:31

I mean, I think that's Yeah, but that's because everybody relates to you know the Goomba movie because we're living in it in a time where it's more relevant. Whereas, you know, who how many of us lived in teepees and fought Indians and fought the Civil War? It didn't happen.

SPEAKER_00 45:46

But it's a great picture. It's still a great film. I agree, I agree. But it's funny, like whenever that comes up, this is the first time I've had this conversation where it's come up and someone hasn't said, yeah, but Goodfellas should have won that year. You know, it's like it's kind of it's kind of unfortunate. The thing I love about Goodfellows, though, is it's it's it's a great crowd pleaser of a film, but also technically it's one of the most brilliantly proficient shot films I've ever seen. I mean, it's Scorsese working at at the highest possible level. It means like the few one of the few films you could show down the street at a theater, and everybody would love to show it at their film stores.

SPEAKER_01 46:18

Well, there were a lot of good films. I mean, there were a lot of Henry V, I think, was nominated that year too. Yeah, it was Brana.

SPEAKER_00 46:25

Yeah. That we another great film. We Few.

SPEAKER_01 46:28

We Precious Few, We Band of Brothers.

Shakespeare Adaptations And Soccer Victory

SPEAKER_00 46:32

Since we're on tangents, favorite Shakespeare movie, Judge. Henry V. Okay. I that's that's what I was thinking. I'm I'm going with Richard III. Did you ever see the one in in I think 1990 with I think Ian McClellan? It's bizarre. It's such a good movie. Or West Side Story. It's good too. Because it's, you know, Romeo Juliet.

SPEAKER_01 46:49

Justin, am I really gonna have to talk about soccer after this or what?

SPEAKER_02 46:53

March, I was just looking at the bracket, but I'll go with Othello and was it Den Denzel, right?

SPEAKER_01 46:58

Yeah, I saw it?

SPEAKER_02 47:00

I thought it was like Denzel's in the Macbeth.

SPEAKER_01 47:03

Larry Fishwell, I saw Denzel on on Broadway do Othello. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 47:08

Oh man. I always I my favorite character, but probably my favorite character in Shakespeare is Iago. I I love that dude, man. There's a there's a if you're really since we're going down Tangent Boulevard here, uh, there is a Harold Bloom book on Iago where it just studies his character. It's one of the most interesting books I've ever read about Shakespeare. Moving on. Sorry, you're in a you're you really gonna talk about soccer on purpose? Why don't we talk about the Stallone film, Victory with Pele and Michael?

SPEAKER_02 47:31

Mark's not coming. Mark's not gonna come on. He's he's in Portugal, and uh I guess he's he's probably sleeping at this point.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

Well, but what about the film with you? You remember where Stallone's the goalie and Pele's on the team and Michael Fink? Victory. Yeah, and they're shooting back and forth like Michael Victory!

SPEAKER_01 47:49

He's not even a he's not even a soccer player. He gets on a team because he wants to get out of jail or something, right? Victory, that's the name of it, with Michael Kane.

SPEAKER_00 47:58

Yes. Okay, so here is your here's my favorite sports trivia question that I thought of in the last five minutes. What former NFL coach used to be, he was a coordinator, defensive coordinator, used to be Michael Kane stunt double, inventor of the zone blitz, also recorded a pop hit in the 1960s, none other than Dick Lebeau, Pittsburgh Dealers. He was Michael Cain's stunt double in several films. I mean, they got how about that? Full circle, tangent, we ended up with sports, even football. How about that, huh? Yeah? I guess. I guess. How green was my value, right? You know, what can I say? Let him alone, Vance. What movie? I forgot how movie already. No, we looked it up. We were trying to figure that one out. You gotta ask him next time he's on uh Instagram or TikTok. Just say, Dice, let him alone, Vance. What movie? Come on, you've been leaving a screen for 35 years. Eric Roberts, where is he? Where is he? Get me started on Star 80 or Pope of Greenwich Village. We could do that one all day. The artificial inspiration.

SPEAKER_02 48:55

Far cry from basketball.

SPEAKER_00 48:57

Yeah, I know. We could do a whole show on like how Paulie is better as Bed Bug Eddie than he is as Pauli. Bed Bug Eddie is like the greatest, the greatest character ever in any film in the Pope of Greenwich Village. I could watch just Bed Bug Eddie doing monologues for a whole hour and a half would be like my favorite film of all time. We're playing chess with Iago. Angel

Final Tangents Frankenheimer And Goodbye

SPEAKER_00 49:17

Heart. Yeah, I once did an interview when I was doing I ran a heavy metal satire website, and I did an entire interview where all the questions, I used to do really weird interviews, all the questions were quotes from Mickey Rourke and Angel Heart or from Robert De Niro and Angel Heart. And like the person it was in this band called Lucifer, and she was so confused. Yeah, I think English was a second language, she was Swedish, and she was like, she's like, What are like what are you talking about? And I just kept, you know, like Mephistopheles is a mouthful in Manhattan, huh? And she was like, Yeah, you know, uh, that's on clearingfinition.com. It's Bled interviewing Lucifer. Shout out to me, you know. Yeah, that was actually the weirdest interview, one of the weirdest interviews I've ever did. I I've ever did. That that was a new that is that a new tense? Is that like present future tense or present participles or whatever, whatever iambic pentameter? I'm sorry, Judge, I'm rambling. No fool. I think age, I know.

SPEAKER_01 50:10

I think I'm gonna end it there unless you guys have some other movie you want to talk about.

SPEAKER_00 50:14

What time you gotta be at work tomorrow?

SPEAKER_01 50:16

I got hearings at night. I got earrings at 9:30. I got plenty of time.

SPEAKER_00 50:19

Two Frankenheimer films we didn't mention. Seconds? Come on.

SPEAKER_01 50:23

All right, Pat. You can get it. I love Frankenheimer.

SPEAKER_00 50:25

I do too. Seconds is my favorite one of my favorite.

SPEAKER_01 50:27

But if you want to talk about, you know, you gotta say, you gotta say Doctor Strange Love or How to Love the Bob.

SPEAKER_00 50:35

So so is is Black Sunday a sports movie? Because they try to crash a suit uh a the Good Year Oblivion to the Super Bowl. That's Frankenheimer film. Does that count?

SPEAKER_01 50:44

It does, it counts, sure.

SPEAKER_00 50:46

Terrorism and football, and they used like real Steelers or people in Steelers' uniforms for it. So it's supposed to be the Steelers and Cowboys in that one. Anyway, I'm sorry. Yeah, you I mean, I assume you guys eat dinner at some point or something like that. But I mean, I I just stay, honestly, what I do my whole life, I just stay in this spot and keep talking until like the music comes up again. So I'll be here until you you need me again, just talking on the screen.

SPEAKER_01 51:06

All right. Well, we we had an informal movie conversation about sports.

SPEAKER_00 51:12

I get a whole profile. Anybody wants it? It's right here.

SPEAKER_01 51:17

I don't know what we're doing next week, but it ain't that. So thank you, everybody. Thank you for talking about the NBA. We didn't talk about F1 at all. That's okay. It was an amazing race on Sunday. Max Verstappen and and Lewis Hamilton going head to head a lot. It was just amazing to watch. Two of the great races of our time. A seven-time world champion against a four-time world champion. Should have been five, but he got screwed last year.

SPEAKER_00 51:44

But anyway, am I gonna alone film with the car racing? Never mind.

SPEAKER_01 51:49

Okay, sorry. Thank you, everyone. Good to see you guys.

SPEAKER_02 51:54

Thanks for having us, Judge.

SPEAKER_01 51:55

Thank you, Judge. It is always fun.

SPEAKER_00 51:57

This one particularly