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Wheels & Deals with The Old Car Lady, the UK's classic car podcast for people who love the stories behind the cars.
Sam Grange-Bailey isn't a presenter. She's a classic car dealer and a car dealer's daughter who grew up in the Manchester motor trade. She lived through the golden era of the British car business — the 1960s, '70s, '80s, and early '90s — when deals were done on a handshake, the cars had genuine personality, and the dealers who sold them were larger-than-life characters.
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Wheels & Deals with The Old Car Lady
Tim Ashworth | Austin Metro Launch Archive, Applejack Paint & the Cassette Nobody Has Played
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The Old Car Lady is back with Tim Ashworth of Stockley Classics, and this time Tim has brought the archive: the original 1980 Austin Metro dealer launch pack, brochures, mechanic notes, a Metro Plus brochure even Tim had forgotten he had, and a cassette unplayed for 45 years.
They go through it all page by page. The Union Jack campaign, the 9X prototype that never was, the Applejack and Peridot colours that almost nobody ordered, the asymmetric rear seat brochure with its pop-up pages, and British Leyland’s claim that the Metro does 83 miles per gallon at a steady 30. Tim calls that one.
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The Dealer Pack That Survived: One pack per dealer, not for customers, sent in October 1980 to prepare the showrooms for launch night. Launch schedule, marketing order forms, mechanic guidance notes, Union Jack tease materials and a cassette. Tim’s is intact. The cassette has never been played.
The 9X That Never Was: Issigonis designed a Mini successor in 1968 with a hatchback and advanced engine. BL killed it. Ten years later the Metro arrived instead, redesigned after customer clinics rejected the original styling mule.
Applejack, Peridot and the Colours Nobody Ordered: Applejack, Snapdragon, Peridot, Cinnabar, Vermillion. Strobe seats colour-coded to match. Almost none were ordered in significant numbers. The Metros that survive are mostly red, white and blue.
Metro Plus: The Brochure Tim Forgot He Had: Bucket seats, short shift, spot lamps, Ronal wheels: a separate package on top of a standard Metro, almost a homage to the Cooper S. Tim found it mid-conversation and had forgotten he had it.
83 Miles Per Gallon at a Steady 30: The launch brochure claims 83 mpg at a steady 30. Sam asks Tim whether he is having that. He is not.
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How many I know you've owned a gazillion metros over the years. How many have you come across with this sort of a file, with this sort of a pack? Not many. No.
SPEAKER_00Many. Because they were they were ever big cars. They were used and abused and they may have been scrapped or sold on. And people didn't keep the stuff. Didn't value it. Didn't value it at the time. So this is a collection of stuff that's been amassed over many years. I suppose the precursor for doing it all was the GJJW car, which I've got, which is a press launch car. And so I thought, hang on me, what we need to do is try and get the stuff together that would have been available at the time when that car was being test drove and/or at the launch. So this is.
SPEAKER_01I just need to have a look at this.
SPEAKER_00So it's So this is from October 1980.
SPEAKER_01Motor Metro BL's new winner. Question mark. I like the way that they put the question mark in there.
SPEAKER_00Question mark, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Ultimate sporting luxury. Legonda tested. So what does Lagonda tested mean?
SPEAKER_00There you go. That was the Lagonda. That's the Martin Lagonda, I guess.
SPEAKER_01Oh I thought you meant that they tested the Metro against the Lagonda. Right, sweetie meaning.
SPEAKER_00But there was a metro file metro special feature here. So if we go to Ball Tied In, because it was launched at the motor show in October 1980, which I think was was one of the first motor shows to be held at uh the NEC. Um so Because you still think of the NEC as being the new. I know. The new, the new. Yeah. If you go to 47 here, so this is the metrophile. So this is all the so these are the early Very odd-looking the prototypes we're doing. Very strange looking. Mini metromorphosis.
SPEAKER_01BL went all out launching this, didn't they?
SPEAKER_00They did. They did. They they really did capture the imagination of I was around at the time, I was you were Sam, and I I remember when it was launched.
SPEAKER_01I was just gonna say it's before my time, I won't get away with it now, you tell the truth.
SPEAKER_00You're older than you look, obviously. Yeah, I made they made a big show of it. That's interesting. You can see there, so this was the 9X that was designed by Alec Isigolis in the late 60s.
SPEAKER_01Who also designed the Mini?
SPEAKER_00Correct. So this was the meant to be the successors of the moon, but various people within Bia were not keen, despite the fact that number one, it had a hatchback in 1968. Yeah. True pioneer in motoring. And number two, it had quite an advanced little engine as well. That so that never got built. Then step forward, say, ten years or so, and here's the precursor, the styling mule, as it were. This was what was going to be launched as Nimetro, this strange rear here.
SPEAKER_01That looks a bit like a Nova back window to me.
SPEAKER_00So that's the car that went to all the customer clinics, and customers say, I don't really like that. And as a consequence, it got re redesigned.
SPEAKER_01The legend that we now know.
SPEAKER_00To the legend that we now know, and a far better looking legend, actually. Absolutely. So this is all this is all really this is all very interesting. Of course you've got Long Bridge there, which is no more, but you've got specific production line for the metro, which was needed because at one point in time there was a wait list.
SPEAKER_01Is that because of the demand, or that they just they just failed to get out of the factory when they should have?
SPEAKER_00No, absolutely no demand. Absolutely. That's what this is quite interesting. So we've talked about we've talked about colours before, Sam. So this is lovely. So that there, I think that's an L because that's got the stripe down the side. That is an Apple Jack. I love Applejack.
SPEAKER_01I I well one of the lesser seen, but the best colours for these, I think.
SPEAKER_00That's such a good colour. That's Snapdragon, yellow, that's on an S. You've got the interior there of the S. So like I said before about strobe seats, they are spectacular seats. And they're colour-coded to whatever colour you had. So the Snapdragon ones had the green ones. If you got a brownie coloured, you've got the brown.
SPEAKER_01That must be a rare red.
SPEAKER_00A rare thing now. You've got to look at it.
SPEAKER_01Do you think it says something about the people that were buying them that just the those kind of brave colours weren't ordered in big numbers because metros really that red, white, blue?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, generally speaking, the ones that you see out and about now, it's quite rare to see an Applejack Metro. I don't think I've ever seen one in a metro. My friend Mass had one, which he completely restored, which was amazing when it was done. But there you go again. So back to that is still being referred to in October 1980 as the mini metro. As the mini metro. So that's that's quite interesting, that one. We've got this dealer pack here, which is Metro Mechanics for Metro Mechanics. That's really some guidance notes to the guys that'd be working on metros in dealerships when they came back for warranty.
SPEAKER_01So it's like it's like a Haynes pamphlet. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's not yeah, I'm guessing there were and there were additional things there as well, which I can show you. But this is almost like a picture guide of the various bits and bobs going on with metros.
SPEAKER_01So I suppose if you were in a took your brand new metro that the mechanics hadn't seen before to your local garage, you'd hand them that. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Yes. And you might also give them this here because you've got the guidance notes there on the Churchill pump-up machine for the hydroelastic.
SPEAKER_01Okay. You've got God, this is where I tend to have.
SPEAKER_00Some additional guidance here in terms of how the metro was built. Metro in the workshop. I'm trying to oh yeah. So that that that's a great colour that. So that colour is called Peridot. And it's like I like greeny, yellowy metallic. It's just the most amazing colour. And I think what BL were doing here at the time, I think they had a very they had a broad range of colours available at the time, but also the unipart stuff as well. You could really bespoke your metro if you wanted to. You could really tailor it to something really quite special.
SPEAKER_01And other cars when you were buying other cars in its class, so for example, a Forge Fiesta or a VG Video Polo. It seems like a very big accessories catalogue for those metros compared to the other marks that are available at the cars.
SPEAKER_00I think it was. Yeah, look at this. So this is an Austin Mini Metro supplementary job sheet. So this is what the mechanic would fit in when the metro arrived, in terms of what was required to be done.
SPEAKER_01How did she get hold of that? From the old garage.
SPEAKER_00You know what, Sam, I don't know. It's all lost in the it's all lost in history.
SPEAKER_01Lost in the annals of time.
SPEAKER_00And then here's a little this is just a little catalogue there, a little handbook. Again, Banch of Mini Metros. That is data, I'm guessing that's 1980. There you go, it's a 1980 before.
SPEAKER_01So it's it's quite as a mark, it's quite confusing. So it's Austin Morris Mini Metro, then it was Austin Metro, but you could also get them G Metro. Yes. And then it eventually changed to the Morris Metro as well.
SPEAKER_00So that's so that's the interesting thing.
SPEAKER_01So confused.
SPEAKER_00So so the Morris so you they had the Morris Atown. Yes. Which people generally think was the last Morris you produced. But it wasn't. Because Morris also made a Morris Metro van. And that was going until about 82, 83. So that was actually the last Morris that was built, not the Italy.
SPEAKER_01Fun fact. So when did the when did they start production of the Morris Metros?
SPEAKER_00I think I I think it was 82, 83, 84, round about that time. I think it was short production. Short production run then. Okay. Yeah. So bad engineering gone mad there as well. And yeah, so and then what else I've got in here? I've got so this is all related to the launch of the macho. This is the original. Now this is quite interesting. So this is the original launch brochure for the macho from 1980. And they really went to town on this because it's, you know. Applejack again. It's Applejack there again. There's a picture in here I just wanted to show you, I think, which is the where is it? It's the full range. It's the full range of them.
SPEAKER_01Ah, there we go. So this is the collection that you won't touch.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, this was the start of it, really. I thought we're gonna have everything, but I I never really got there. My my pre-production press car is an HLS uh in Cinnabot. It might actually be familiar because they introduced Cinnabot after a million. I've had a Metro L before as well. I've never had an S. I've never had an HLE, I've never had a standard Metro or a base. But that was the range that was launched in 1980.
SPEAKER_01A British car to beat the world.
SPEAKER_00There you go. That that kind of patriotism again. Good timing. And then here's the here's the accessories again from the new part that we've talked about already. A few extra pictures there. Yeah, so that that's quite nice. And then you've got this here, which is which is This I'm fascinated by this term.
SPEAKER_01I can't wait to see this. This got I'm actually gonna because I really want to get something sent to this.
SPEAKER_00So this pack got sent to all the dealers. Okay. Yeah. So this pack got sent to all the dealers. Just one per dealer, or could they hand them out to customers? No, cust not customer issue at all. Okay. And in this cardboard folder. So if I get this as it easier. So you've got an enhanced version of the launch brochure here for start. So this was in September. This was a schedule of the launch of the Metro. So this was the build-up. So you can see here on the 29th of September 1980, display the special Union Jack tease material. Again, the patriotism thank and kind of building.
SPEAKER_01They were really leaning into that British.
SPEAKER_008th of October, the press embargo is lifted. Newspaper coverage will start. 13th October, the big night, launch preview evenings. I went to the launch preview evening. I was the Metro train at James Edwards in Hesville. So that must have been on 13th October, that was when I was 13.
SPEAKER_01So you really have been with these metros from the very beginning, haven't you?
SPEAKER_00I think I have. I think I have in the 14th October, the big day. So that's the rundown there.
SPEAKER_01Can I just have a quick look at this? I'm absolutely. Where else would you actually get to see a copy of this? Make certain, along with yourself, all your departmental managers, read the marketing guide included.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so they were they were really going for it.
SPEAKER_01So here's that, AJ coming at Ops Director Project Marketing.
SPEAKER_00And then we've got this how we'll support your metro from Orange. So this is how the business, how BL will support you.
SPEAKER_01As a dealer.
SPEAKER_00This is all the marketing material that they would provide.
SPEAKER_01So by this point, it's all Austin Metro, isn't it? I know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's all yeah, it's yeah. They're under the banner of Austin Morris, but it wasn't known as an Austin Mini Metro.
SPEAKER_01How to organise the smoothest launch in town. Oh you went Tim, was it the smoothest launch?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was. I'll tell you what, from memory, it was busy. It was packed. Was it? It was packed.
SPEAKER_01Do you think there's lots of excitement around this? There was. Because knowing how long and how popular and how well loved the mini was, what was the high hopes for this?
SPEAKER_00There was high hopes, and I think as well, at the time the matchup was launched, the rest of the BL range was fairly tired. You'd be Maxi De Marina Stroke Tow.
SPEAKER_01They were dated.
SPEAKER_00They were dated. A little bit dated. This was the new kid on the block, this was the way forward, this was the future of Bishop Sainland, which were then it would morph into the Maestro, morph into the Montego. But the building block of all of that was the Metro. The metro had to succeed for the other cars to come on stream.
SPEAKER_01The Maestro Montego were actually really disappointed for them in terms of sales, weren't they?
SPEAKER_00They were.
SPEAKER_01I think that they thought that on the back of the metro they would build a whole brand range and it didn't happen, did it? Can I just demonstrations are vital?
SPEAKER_00There you go. Yes.
SPEAKER_01I always say that the best way to sell them on a car is to get him to drive it. Best way to sell a personal car is to get them to drive it.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. And then we've got the order forms for all the display. So for the marketing material, so you could order So that's for your posters and multicoloured tube lights, you could order a motor slashed curtains for one pound ninety.
SPEAKER_01For the Grand Reveal.
SPEAKER_00You could order a perfume pack.
SPEAKER_01The smell of metros.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, done that. What? Foils. File for burning. So yeah, so this is this is all good stuff. Coffee mugs, £3.30.
SPEAKER_01See that's X £3.30 in 1988, so it's quite expensive.
SPEAKER_00Num a number of plates, dunno. And then yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's wonderful.
SPEAKER_00It's great, isn't it? It really is. There's a little brochure there as well about there's the asymmetric rear split. So you know, if you're loading up a pop-up book. It's a pop-up book, yeah. You put that down, which meant you could still get Auntie Sally in the back there. Or you could if you wanted to, you could put that one down and have two kids in the back there, but still have your step ladders there, or you can have them both down.
SPEAKER_01So you've got uh bear in mind that they said that they'd gone from a mini as a hatchback with fold-down seats. That was a a really interesting and usable concept, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. Test drive the car with two back seats, there you go. Wow, it's quite asymmetric rear split. There's a 12,000 mile service in there, Simon, that you mentioned. Your optimistic servicing schedule, yeah. Test drive the British car to beat the world. I think that's painter metro. They've really good. Oh, it's like haven't they?
SPEAKER_01So you could keep the you keep the kids busy when you're slotting the cars into the mother.
SPEAKER_00Half the robots in Britain can't be wrong. Robot built.
SPEAKER_01We've not mentioned that, we haven't touched that.
SPEAKER_00No, we haven't, haven't we? We haven't. No, it's a brand new production line. 62 miles per gallon. 62 miles at the HLE. Although I'm sure I've seen another sign that says oh, here you go. It does 83 MPG at a steady 30. There you go.
SPEAKER_0183 miles per gallon on the Metro. Are we having that, Tim? I'm gonna have to call bollocks on that one, I think.
SPEAKER_00And then we've got the engines. Yeah. That'll be low compression, that'll be high compression, that'll be HLE, which is the economy version, that'll be on 1.3 there. So maximum speed. You're gonna touch hopefully 100 mile an hour nearly or tailwind.
SPEAKER_01But it is gonna take 18.2 seconds to get to 60.
SPEAKER_00Correct. Quite nippy, quite nippy, 0 to 60, 10. No, 12.3, yeah. 12.3. And then 30 to 50, 10.3.
SPEAKER_01See, 30 to 50 is interesting because that's your overtaking speed. 0 to 60 is a bit of a nonsense, unless you're gonna your chill for traffic lights will go to Santa Pod. 30 to 50, I think, is a really interesting statistic because in real life, in real life driving, 30 to 50 is where if you're gonna need acceleration, yeah, that's where you're gonna need it, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So the 1.3, 1.3, yeah, quite a timeline. Nippy, nippy. Are you missing your finest hour? I don't know. Am I?
SPEAKER_01So just so we would read this out. The new Austin Metro gets 62 miles per gallon, goes 12,000 miles between services, also has an asymmetric split action back seat. You choose between more seats or more space to make an appointment for a test driver to pick up the phone, bring your family, it could be your finest hour. Must have been so exciting. It was exciting. It must have been exciting.
SPEAKER_00It was exciting. It was exciting.
SPEAKER_01I've just seen a cassette.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I've never actually played this because I didn't want the tape to break, but I'm guessing it's some kind of instruction to the dealers in terms of what this pack's all about and what they need to be doing.
SPEAKER_01I'm guessing.
SPEAKER_00I'm guessing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you'd need a pencil at the ready to re-spol it just in case.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but I don't want to play it just in because that that's never been played. 40 odd years old, so I don't want to I don't want to play that.
SPEAKER_01Very frustrated, unfortunately, David's.
SPEAKER_00And then I think these are all this stuff is just duplicates. Ah. Well, that's interesting.
SPEAKER_01Just like Christmas once a year.
SPEAKER_00So plus oh, is this the park?
SPEAKER_01Could you buy warranty?
SPEAKER_00So, yeah, you know what? This is ages since I've read this. So they a lot of wheels on that one. Yeah, alongside the standard metros, you could and this is all to do about tailoring your car.
SPEAKER_01See, I that looks I don't know, it looks quite snazzy.
SPEAKER_00It is quite snazzy, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01I mean look at that. Could you option it without the metro look at the spotlights?
SPEAKER_00You get I think this is almost like a little homage, as it were, to the Cooper S. You look at the bucket seats there, that you look at the short shift. Look at the steering wheel, yeah. The steering wheel, the lights, look at the steering wheeling. The lights on the front, the map light, those wheels are great, aren't they? They're gorgeous. I think they're Ronalds. I think they're Ronaldo wheels.
SPEAKER_01See, I quite want I quite fancy a Metro Plus now, too. You find me one.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But these were not part of the standard kind of launch. These were almost like an add-on.
SPEAKER_01So presumably, you'd have to order this as a completely separate car and you'd go back to the factory and be Metro Plus.
SPEAKER_00I think so. I think so. Yeah. I think so. But that that's interesting, that even I didn't realise I had that.
SPEAKER_01I love the fact they give the dealer sort of Metro-based colouring books to keep the kids happy.
SPEAKER_00Yes. People usually contact there. Anyway, so that's just a nice little bit of extra Extra info about the launch. It's absolutely it's amazing you're still here, actually.
SPEAKER_01It's amazing. And like being in the car and smiling just looking at all of this. Yeah. I don't know whether it's because of our age in terms of nostalgia. This is very familiar to us. We remember and we look back with fond memories to brochures and accessories lists. But even now, as a as an enthusiast, to be able to find a file like this, even if you weren't around at the time, is a pretty special thing. It is. Thank you so much for sharing.
SPEAKER_00No, no, no problem at all.
SPEAKER_01We've touched on the club membership and what a wonderful community and a great scene it is.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So what in terms of club action have you got coming up?
SPEAKER_00So we've got the Minion Metro show in July and also the BMC show in July as well. Though both those events are at Gaydon, which is the British Motor Museum. At the same time, or do they run No week after one's one's one week after the other? At the Motor Museum. It's a Bamberry turn-off on I think it's Junction 12 on the M40.
SPEAKER_01And which one are you taking down?
SPEAKER_00I'll probably take the MG. Okay. My MG Metro on account of the fact that it's probably one of the most reliable metros. He says touching wood.
SPEAKER_01Kiss off, yeah. Jigs stick. No, you've got that one into it.
SPEAKER_00I did. Now the thing is as well, ideally, in terms of attention, you probably take one of the turbos. But the turbos, by their very nature, are a little bit fragile. They're a bit sensitive, aren't they? They're very sensitive. And if something if something's not right on a turbo, then the whole car won't run right. So it might be your plug gaps, it might be, I don't know, something else. I dust over. They're just more complicated. They're a bit more complicated. That little engine is quite highly stressed with a turbocharge and with a turbocharge.
SPEAKER_01And the gearbox, we've already discussed that.
SPEAKER_00And the gearbox as well. So in terms of edging your bets, as it were, then you want to make sure that you get there.
SPEAKER_01I think the one thing about classic car ownership that we do, all of us, is you do give yourself an easy life. We're here to enjoy them at the end of the day. And if you've got two cars, one that's going to be a stressful journey for you and one that's going to be a thoroughly enjoyable one, you know which one you're going to go for. Absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And so consequently, I'll stick to the MG Metro, I think. Yeah, I don't know. The one we've been at.
SPEAKER_01I don't blame you. Have you ever been to places like the Great British Car Journey with stuff like this? I haven't.
SPEAKER_00No, it's on me, it's on my to-do list this year. Okay. We're gonna hopefully have a metro meet there. The club's gonna organise a meet.
SPEAKER_01I think if you show them this, they would probably make sure you got a slot.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's a fair point actually.
SPEAKER_01If you want the number of the owner, he's lovely because I spoke to him about that blue one.
SPEAKER_00Oh yes. Is that Richard? Yes. Yes, I'm sorry to yes, I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he's he's really I think if he thought he could have access to him be really interested. But it's fabulous.
SPEAKER_00So you're not quite sure how many you've got, which is always a bit of a The ones you have So you've got the three the three you've seen today. Yes. Plus a number of others, shall we say? A number of But let's keep our power powder dry for the next time, as it were, Sam.
SPEAKER_01We can go through the I would I think the project ones are days filming in themselves. I think that's an interesting day to go and have a look at those. But what I for the ones you because you do buy and sell them as well. You are Stockton Classics, you are a classic car D as well as a owner and enthusiast. So for the ones you have for sale, where do we find you? On your website?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, stockneyclassics.com.
SPEAKER_01What have you got on there at the moment?
SPEAKER_00I I've got a Rover 100, I had the Rover Metro, which are there's a Ford Street car on there, which is quite nice. We should all be keeping our eyes out for those. I think so. Yeah. Definitely. I had a for there's a Ford Fiesta on there as well, which is now sold, but there will be another Mark III Fiesta taking its place, which I took as part X. Okay. I've also just bought an 18,000 mile Vauxhall Course B.
SPEAKER_01I have that six.
SPEAKER_00Which is quite interesting. One owner from you.
SPEAKER_01That's fabulous mileage.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, 18,000 miles. And I've also bought at the completely opposite end of the scale is uh Rover Mini RSP. But now that's done 124,000 miles and runs, starts, and drives, but it is a project. Okay. And it's a proper RSP. That's a rare car. That is a rare car. They built just a I think they built 1,050 for the UK market. They built 1,650, I think.
SPEAKER_01So once they're prepped and ready for sale, they do on the website. Correct. In the meantime, to see what you're up to on a day-to-day basis. Social media?
SPEAKER_00Social media, Facebook is my go-to place. Okay. Um experimenting with Instagram.
SPEAKER_01We had a little pod Instagram earlier, anyway.
SPEAKER_00We did, we did. And then eventually as well. I am working towards my own YouTube channel as well. Yeah. Which I quite like to do. Okay. But yeah, Facebook in the main is where you'll find me. So you can follow me on Facebook.
SPEAKER_01I'll put your website and your um uh Facebook handle in the in the notes in the description below. So if anyone can find you. Um and if anybody can't find Tim and wants to speak to him, just get in touch with me. I'll send you his phone number.
SPEAKER_00That'd be super.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00Thank you very much, Sam. Thank you.
SPEAKER_01Thanks for the coffee. All right, and the eggs and the jam.
SPEAKER_00All right, no problem.