The Menger Hotel Part 1/3

We are coming to you from the Menger Hotel in San Antonio Texas! In this episode we talk about the history of the Menger and some of its most notable guests, some of whom still roam the halls to this day.  Our G-Host Erica is back on, and something seems to be trying to get her attention while we were recording. After we finish with the history, Chase tells us about the last time she stayed here, and gives us LOTS OF REASONS TO LEAVE, but instead we roamed the halls at all hours of the night! Our Crystal of the week this week is Aly's favorite stone, Labradorite. Stay Chaotic!

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Like this is this is one of the hotels that made me realize, like, okay, I'm not crazy in believing in ghosts. You know, like a lot of those people were like, oh, I used to, I wasn't a believer then, but I am now. Like, I was a believer before, but thought I was kind of crazy. And after being here and having the experiences that I had, I'm like, no, there's no way they are not real. There's no way ghosts don't exist.

SPEAKER_02 0:36

Welcome to Condor in Chaos. We're three witchy weirdos with microphones. I'm Allie, and this is my co-host Chase.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

And I'm Erica.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

And Erica. And I've never seen Remember the Titans.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

And we're here to tell you something weird. Let's set the vibe. Alrighty guys, so those of you have listened to it before, uh, you guys know what's coming next. We're gonna go ahead and take our deep breaths before we begin. So, deep breath in. And out. Was that sure enough for your little thing?

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Yeah, I was even smart and I breathed slower than normal just in case, but you definitely took that into consideration. Breathe through my diaphragm to all the damn smoke I've inhaled in my life. Break my ribs to breathe like Ollie. Okay, pull a finger. Erica. Alright, let me pull your finger. You want to know something crazy, actually? So my mom recently reminded me that when I was a little girl, almost every time that my uncle Brian would like greet me, like when I like walked into his house or he walked into our house or anything like that, he would always say, pull my finger every single time. I grew up with this man though, so I didn't. I mean, I did. I argued with him about how old I was on my fourth birthday. Yeah, no, he he opens, he like peeks his head of my door and he's like, Hey Booger, how old are you? And I went, This many, and he goes, Uh-uh, you're this many now. And I was like, No, I'm this many. And and he's like, uh-uh, no, you're this many now. It's your birthday. And I was like, I'm gonna tell my mom money because it's against the rules to lie. That's one of my first memories is telling my uncle that he I was gonna tattle on him because he was lying to me about my age on my fourth birthday because we had the we're having the birthday party on my actual birthday, and I still didn't completely understand. Yeah. Anyways, what's chaotic in your life?

SPEAKER_00 2:41

No.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Finger.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

Oh my finger!

SPEAKER_02 2:44

Erica. Go go ahead. Are you ready to put her fingers up and her fucks down, Erica? Make me put my fucks down.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

Okay. Put your fucks down.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

Yes, ma'am. Put your fucks down.

SPEAKER_00 2:56

Okay. Number 34. I do not fold under pressure. I fucking rise.

SPEAKER_02 3:03

Yes. Yes. Oh, oh my god. What did you do? Something went down the wrong pipe. Oh god.

unknown 3:12

Oh we should be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

I wonder if that story swallow that I saw today uh has things go wrong down the wrong pipe sometimes. No. No, she doesn't even want to think about it. Do you want to see the video? They'd be dead. Oh, you might have seen the video already. I did.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

But if it went down like wrong, then you'd be like, Oh, yeah, they would be dead.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

Absolutely. Because it's like off to the side of the pastry down. Well, you know, um, I learned today, I guess maybe this is what's chaotic in my life, is today I learned that they no longer issue licenses that could be wait. No, he said that was a lie. He said, Don't look it up. It's true, is what he said. So he said they don't allow people to become sword swallowers or swallowers and because of how dangerous it is. But then he did tell us, don't look it up. It's totally true. And I'm like, maybe that man with the baskets clipped to his eyelids is not telling the truth. It was horrible.

SPEAKER_02 4:07

It was one of three tear baskets for smaller.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

For like fruit and then bigger. And he it was it was so it was traumatizing. I spent the entire time going. I was it was not fun. That's what's chaotic in my life. Okay, Allie, what's chaotic in your life this week?

SPEAKER_02 4:27

Actually, you got to see what was chaotic in my life. So I got to give a presentation for three hours with no notes.

SPEAKER_01 4:34

Amazing. You did so good, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 4:37

I know. I was I explained this. Chase got to be there. She she gave the presentation with me.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Whoa, no, I basically assisted you. I I think I only took the floor for like a solid five minutes total, like for two different things, maybe a whole minute or two each.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

But that was a conversation that we had before. So uh we we had a we had to go over kind of the meeting um before the meeting started. Uh, and then she's over here asking me, she's like, Oh, okay, she's like, I like your your PowerPoint. And she's like, and I assume you have your uh your flashcards.

SPEAKER_01 5:07

It's just like uh nope, it's in my head, and I was like, that's how you burn yourself out.

SPEAKER_02 5:16

But yeah, so when I do presentations, it all comes out my ass right then and there.

SPEAKER_01 5:20

No, well, for what it's worth, I sometimes do my best work that way. Like I did it a full-blown butterfly texture cut and texture class this past week with no like no preparation whatsoever. Don't tell my boss.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

My boss, don't listen to this.

SPEAKER_01 5:36

Brad, please don't listen to what I just said.

SPEAKER_02 5:39

Anyways, yeah, Erico, it's been chaotic in your life lately.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

So, what y'all will learn more about in a little bit, we are at the Meager Hotel, and I'm sitting in the freaking courtyard area, and my bracelet just like shatters and spreads all across that like I couldn't find them all.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

They're just dispersed, they disappeared, just yes, and there was just like a little bit of them left on the stream sitting next to you.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Yeah, it was really weird. Um, something's going on.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

According to that EMF, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

Clearly, I think some the windows making it go off. I don't know. There could be like wires through the wall or something like that. To the window, to the wall. To the wall. But um, yeah, no, so I I've always heard that uh when bracelets break like that, it's because they've either done all they can or uh because they're protecting you from something. So that was a thing. It was uh what kind of bracelet was it again?

SPEAKER_00 6:38

Uh flower, I get. Um, but after it broke, I felt a little cold and I was like, oh, he was protecting me from whatever this is.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

And then I went inside. Yeah, yeah, yeah. After I went and like talked to these random people on the balcony because we're in the courtyard, and I was like, oh my god, look at that balcony. And I was like, that's the only real balcony in this whole courtyard. And I thought, I want to stay in that freaking room. And so I went up to the second floor uh to see what room was like right there in that area, and learned that it's just a public balcony. And I walked past it and I was like, is that an EMF on the table? And so I walked back past the window and I was like, that is an EMF. So I walked out and like told uh the people on the camp on the thing, I was like, Hey, I see you have an EMF. I just want you to know like third floor is where it's at. And he's like, Yeah, yeah, I heard that. Told them a couple of the experiences that I had last time that I stayed here, which I will grace y'all with today, of course. And uh made some friends, so that was cool, and uh told them to listen. So hello, I hope that you're listening. Um, if I remember correctly, I think it was Mark and Noah. And if I forgot, please, please, please don't stop listening. Um okay, so um, as you heard, we are at the Minger Hotel. And should we start with the history and then go into my experiences? Yeah, okay. Okay, let's do that. So I we have a little bit to tell. Um, y'all feel free to split up, pass when you're ready, or if y'all want to do that and you want me to read, feel free to make me do that. Yeah, go ahead. I guess let's get chaotic.

SPEAKER_02 8:26

Before we get a little too chaotic, I'm gonna give you a quick uh history background about the chaos. Widely and loosely referred to as the most haunted hotel in Texas, the Menger Hotel next to the Alamo is allegedly the home to as many as 32 ghosts. Absolutely none of them have been reported as threatening, but they are very active. The founder, William Menger, was a German immigrant who arrived in San Antonio in the 1840s and established the Menger Brewery in 1855. Oh, it was a brewery. A lot of things in San Antonio were a brewery, like the Pearl Brewery, the place, and yeah, nice. Um it was the first of its kind in Texas. His beer was so popular and potent that patrons often fell asleep on the brewery benches. That's pretty funny. Popular and potent that patrons. To agominate the need for lodging for these customers, Menger and his wife Mary commissioned a 50-room hotel. Architectural pedigree. The original two-story stone building was designed by John M. Fry's. The same architect who repaired the Alamo's damaged chapel in 1850. Oh, oh. Nice. It was it was built right next to the Alamo, placing it on the site where the Battle of the Alamo took place. The battle lasted from February 23rd to March 6, 1836, as part of the Texas Revolution against Mexican rule. Would you like to talk a little bit about uh what happened during the Civil War?

SPEAKER_00 10:10

During the Civil War, the hotel suspended guest rooms to aid the war effort, serving as a hospital for wounded soldiers and a dining hall for military personnel as the Confederate headquarters. Following the war, the hotel became a vital spot on the Chisholm Trail, where cattle barons negotiated major livestock deals in the lobby. After William died in 1871, Mary Mingre managed the property adding the murder of Sally White, a beloved chambermaid, who was attacked by her jealous husband just outside the hotel. She managed to crawl back um to the mingro where she died two days later on the third floor in 1876.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

The third the floor that we're currently staying on, by the way. Yeah. I got real cold when she said that, and the AC is off right now.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

It it is, but it's freezing right here, anyways. Um don't hurt me, guys.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

Only on my shoulders and this part of my arms are fine. Me too. The inside of my arms are fine. It's like literally just like this area. So it almost and across my shoulders.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

It almost feels like I'm being like grabbed right here. But like with cold. Like it's scary. Anyways, um Leave me alone.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

Probably not the right attitude to give right now.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

Major J.H. Campton purchased the hotel in 1881. In 1887, his son Herman transformed the bar into a replica of the house of Lord's Pub, which is in London, featuring cherry wood panelling, French mirrors, and uh gold-plated spittoons. Whatever that means.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Spittoons, that's where people spend their tobacco spit.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Um Captain Richard King, the founder of King Ranch, was also fond of the hotel. He chose to spend his final days there while battling stomach cancer. So he died in his favorite suite um in 1885, and that was 2052. In 1897, a police officer committed suicide at the bar in front of the guests. Oh my god.

unknown 12:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

In 1903, a sick male clerk who took his own life in his room out of desperation over his health. Um that's so sad.

SPEAKER_01 12:53

Um one thing I didn't mention is that the the suite that um Richard King died in is now named the King Ranch Suite.

SPEAKER_02 13:03

Okay. So probably one of the most expensive rooms.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

Oh yeah, I know it is the nicest room in the in the entire hotel.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

Um, let's see. Uh the bar the bar was Teddy Roosevelt's headquarters for recruiting the Rough Riders in 1898. Um the Minger family founder, William Minger, died on site in 1871, and some believe he remains to oversee the standards of the hotel he built. The hotel faced potential demolition um in the 1940s, but it was saved and renovated by W. L. Moody Jr., whose family still owns it today. The hotel remains famous for its colonial dining room, which still serves Mary Minger's original recipes, most notably her mango ice cream. That sounds really good. The manger was added to the National Register of Historic Places in 1976 as part of the Alamo Plaza History District.

SPEAKER_02 14:12

The manger mango ice cream. I like that. Say that 10 times last. Wait, where do they sell this? Because I need to try it before we leave.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

At the bar? It's in the colonial dining room. I think you have to be catered to get it. There's no fucking way. They have to be able to sell it.

SPEAKER_03 14:30

Maybe, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

You can always ask. Um, okay, I think it's interesting that you gave me the renovation. Yeah. Um this is a fun part. Okay, so the renovation. And you know, I'm I'm partial to this particular part for a reason, which I'll disclose here in a second. Renowned architect Alfred Giles was enlisted to perform a massive renovation of the Minger Hotel in 1909. Fun fact, he's my great-great-great-grandfather. I'm really proud of that. He was responsible for transforming the hotel's appearance from its original 1859 design to the elegant Renaissance revival landmark scene today. He designed the famous interior rotunda atrium, which serves as a central circulation hub and provides natural light to the building's interior. And he renovated the original lobby into a neoclassical style. He added the marble floors and encased the original cast iron columns in decorative plaster to create Corinthian columns. And he installed a lead glass ceiling and filigre balustrades. B-A-L-U-S-T-R-A-D-E-S. Like ballad. Ballastrides. No idea. Yep. Balse drags. Ballest. Balastradus. Um yes. We don't know this word, but please excuse me on that. And then he added a 50-room addition to the south side of the hotel to keep it competitive with newer hotels like the Gunther and the Crockett. Uh, Giles' work was so impactful that it defined the Mingers character-defining features for the next century. So, like, all the cool stuff in that room that makes it such a beautiful room was my great, great, great, great, grandfather. Just saying, I think that's pretty stinking cool. But all right, Ali, uh, go ahead and tell us about some notable guests that uh have visited the hotel. Aside from you? Aside from me. Am I notable? I don't know if I'm notable. You're notable to us. I'm influential.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

So before before Chase ever stepped into this hotel, presidents like Ulysses S. Grant. Oh my god. Way more notable than me. Presidents like Ulysses S. Grant, Dwight B. Eisenhower, and Bill Clinton have stayed in the hotel. Okay. Okay, hold on. Why no, this is notorious. Some other historical figures include Robert E. Lee, Sam Houston, and Buffalo Bill Cody. Artists who have also stayed in the room include Oscar Wilde, ooh, who complained the hotel was too quiet. Oh, that's a dumb complaint. We wish we got those complaints now. And Winson Borglum, who sketched early designs for Mount Rushmore in his suite. Oh, that's cool.

SPEAKER_01 17:51

Yeah, his head, his tombstone is made out of rock from Mount Rushmore.

SPEAKER_02 17:56

Yes. That is cool. So if you find the cemetery and touch his headstone, you can say you've been around rushmore for Mr.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

But you touched Mount Rushmore. You could say I touched Mount Rushmore in wherever his headstone is located. Is that it for the history of the Minger? I believe so. I mean this uh place is like wrapped in history.

SPEAKER_02 18:16

I'm pretty sure there's more history that we're gonna be covering in this today.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

And then like for what it's worth, it is built literally on grounds that the Battle of Alamo was fought on. Like, we're literally, like, the edge of this building is literally 10 feet from the mission wall that still stands today, you know? And to think that we're literally where parts of the mission existed and where people fought for their lives. And died. And died. And lost. I mean, mind you, that's one thing they didn't teach us in history class in Texas is that we actually lost the Battle of the Alamo. Um, so before I talk about my first experience at the Maker, would you like to pick out some abstract advice for us today?

SPEAKER_02 18:55

Yes, ma'am. We have not done that in a good minute. No. No, I'm excited to hear somebody.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

It's this is one of the places that whenever, you know how, like sometimes people be like, I don't believe in ghosts. And then my response is always, I genuinely envy you for being able to believe that. This hotel is one of the ones that ha holds stories as to why that's something I say. That's crazy. Yeah. And I mean we've already talked about the coochie swipe, so the coochie swipe?

SPEAKER_02 19:22

The Driscoll. True. I I think we should definitely um use some of these advices. And let's see. So I'll read off the first one when I pick it out. Let's see. I'm just gonna oh, I picked it from the middle, and it was the same color as a card on half. Interesting. Let's see. Oh, collect postcards from the places you survived.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

Oh god! That's very exciting. Right. That means that I need one from the Minger and from the Driscoll. And from the shop that I used to work at when I just finished cosmetology school.

SPEAKER_02 19:56

Where did you guys survive the uh the almost subduction? My mom's house. Oh, that too, but I meant the one for work.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Oh my god, Minneapolis! Oh, I forgot about that. Oh yeah. It's locked in my.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

Yeah. Alright. Um, protect your peace and disappear as soon as the conversation gets awkward.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Oh my god, that is disappeared.

SPEAKER_04 20:31

Odd brand for me.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Just like it's like the Homer Simpson meme. Where he disappears into the bush. Right. Oh, you want me to do one too? Oh yeah. Okay, I have to do this one in like a sultry voice for our listeners because it's cute. It's cute. Optimism. The art of smiling while silently screaming inside. I love that voice. I had to do it that way. There's no other way to do it. So I have a corny joke for y'all. Why is tennis such a loud game?

unknown 21:11

Why?

SPEAKER_02 21:11

All I was thinking is that movie was Zendaya, and I can give so many reasons why it was loud, but uh none of them are appropriate.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

So will you tell me what this joke is? Because each player raises a racket.

SPEAKER_03 21:26

That is my monster. Where is that?

SPEAKER_01 21:31

Where is this? It was so bad it stuttered. It's time to as promised. The first time that I came to this hotel, and I'm gonna try really hard to stay chronological. However, I apologize if I have to backtrack. So uh bubble up. It is a wild ride. So upon arriving. The first time, like I walked in, and I mean y'all both felt it. It's so heavy in that lobby. You can just feel it's like it's like walking through butter or something. Um, and so when when I first arrived, I walked into the lobby and it was pretty full. And um I was trying to find like a spot to sit or sis at my things, and there was this woman sitting in a chair in this like really old style dress, and I remember like looking at her, and it's like she was like looking through me and she was knitting, and I just thought it was really out of place because like she wasn't with anyone, she wasn't talking to anyone, she wasn't even paying attention to anybody, she was just like blank stare and like sitting there knitting, and she wasn't even like looking at what she was knitting, it was really just off-putting, and I didn't think anything of it until later that night when I started reading about the different ghosts, which we're gonna talk about in the next episode, by the way. We're not completely done with the manger. We have two more episodes for y'all. I learned later that that's actually one of the operations that's known to be in the go in the hotel, and then like as we were checking in, my friend was like checking us in, and I was standing there. And you know, when you are standing at the desk and there's like the concierge to the right of that hallway that we walk down. Yeah. So neck in the corner, like the right side of the opening of the of that hallway next to the concierge desk there, that's always empty, by the way. Like there's never a concierge available here. Um but like you know when okay, I saw like a weird spot, and you know how when you're looking at like a hot roof in the summer, how it has a weird wavy look to it. So I kind of saw like loosely shape of a person, but in that kind of weird, like warbly, distorted, clear, it didn't look like an actual person standing there. It was really weird. It's like I could see their energy. It looked very similar to when I can see someone's aura, but I can't tell what color it is. Um, so that was just like really off-putting to begin with. And then um we went up to our room and we sat down, and as I was like putting stuff up or whatever, because we had like some food with us and our stuff, and I was like moving around the room. I kept like avoiding a certain space of the room, and it was just weird. And the person who I was with like even called it out, she's like, Am I like in your way? You keep like walking in a big circle around like this spot that I'm that I'm like standing, and I was like, I know, right? Yeah, no, seriously. I was like smell, right? Yeah, she was like, Am I taking am I in your way? I was like, No, she's like, You just take keep walking in like a big circle around me. I was like, actually, I'm not avoiding you, I'm avoiding like this space right here. And she's like, That's weird, why? I was like, I don't, I don't know, like I didn't even realize why. And so then we decided like relax before dinner, and we're sitting on our phones, each on our bed, and I was laying kind of facing the doorway, and I heard like people in the hallway, and I was like, Oh, I wonder if I can see them, right? I and I went to like look through the the peephole. Like, I like sat up in my bed, I didn't get up or anything, and I like tried to like look through the peephole from afar, and when I looked up, I saw basically like the shoulders, neck, and head of a person, but like the back of them, and it was like they got they were transparent, but they got more transparent towards the armpit area, and then they just like disappeared all the way at that point. So that's literally all I could see is like armpits up, like human loading. It was yeah, it was weird, but one thing that was very like distinctive like I could see like a blue, like a bluish-grayish jacket, and I could see his collar, and I could see like he had some brown hair coming out of a cap that was flat all the way around the sides with a flat top, guys. Oh okay, and so so I see like this person, and I could like kind of see colors, but they were very translucent. Translucent? Oh translucent, colorful, yeah. Transparent, you're right. And they were but they were like transparent, and like I saw them, like it looked like they kind of like marched in place for two steps and then they walked forward through the door. Like walked straight through it. Yeah, it was really weird. I can't wait to have that power as a ghost. Right? Well, some of them can quote free roam, and some of them are stuck to the floor planslash layout of what what it was when you they died. And so I've heard stories of people who like their house was like lifted up or new house was built where the floor was much higher than the original house that was on that land, and the ghosts are like walking through the floor like it have like it's like cut off at their their yeah. I've heard stories of like that, or like where they walk through a specific spot in the wall all the time where there used to be a door, but there's not. And I think that those ones are usually residual hauntings as opposed to intelligent hauntings. Do y'all know the difference? Uh you can explain it to me. Okay. So uh a residual haunting is basically like leftover energy that stays in a loop. Oh. Right? So it's just the energy, it's not actually a real apparition, it's just the energy of it that's like basically like stuck there forever, right? And those can be usually those are are distinguished by they always happen at the exact same time on the exact same day, or the exact same time every day, or the same exact day and time every year. And then an intelligent haunting is an apparition, a ghost, a spirit, anything like that that can actually like answer questions, move things, do stuff. So that's what the difference is. Um, this was non-corporeal, the one that I saw. Like I said, armades up, it disappeared closer than it got to that point. Yeah, it was no well, because it was completely transparent too. Like it was transparent, but colors, if that makes any sense at all. But um, yeah, so that was like when we first got to the room. And then uh we went let's see, we went to dinner. Yes, we went to dinner, and when we came back, I was holding like our leftovers because we had a lot and they were in like a box, and so I like took my phone and put it on record and then just held it to the front of the box trying to be sneaky, right? And so we're walking around, and then I got brave and I just held it up and started recording. And this security guard comes and he starts talking to us while we're talking about it, and I got some of the conversation, but while he's talking in the video itself, you can see like it looks like a handprint like appears and disappears off the window, like it like rolls palm up and then rolls palm off to the fingers. Yeah, it was really weird. So that one was it was just creepy.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

I didn't even know it until like you watch the video afterwards.

SPEAKER_01 29:07

I watched the video later on, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:09

That's the best, is like when you don't know what's going on in your reviewing, you're like, oh shit, I missed that.

SPEAKER_01 29:14

Yeah, yeah. And so then we went up to the room, and this is where things get kind of freaky, right? So y'all know this place looks like a damn maze. Yes. Erica and I are convinced that it's to confuse the ghosts. I think that's probably accurate. Um, and so we start walking to our room, and as we get to our hallway, one of the maids had like a bell hop cart parked like across the hallway, and there was like a cut like a foot and a half between it and the wall, and we had to like squeeze through it. And I just thought it was weird because there was no maid inside. Like, I kind of peeked in the room to look for her and be like, How rude is this? But like, couldn't see her, couldn't she was probably in the bathroom or something, but it was just weird. And so we walked down to our room and I turned to look as I'm like about to put the key in. And I looked down the hallway, and about halfway down the hallway, I literally see I see this seven foot tall shadow person, and I know he's seven feet tall because these doors are about seven or eight, and he was short, a little shorter than the door. Yeah, so um I see him standing there, and like if he had if he had eyes, we would have been making eye contact. Yes, and I just kind of like I was kind of frozen and just staring at him, and my friend's looking down at her phone, just like playing with her phone, and she notices that I'm taking too long to open the door, and she looks over at me and sees I'm staring at something and looks down the hallway. And as she turns her head, this shadow man like disappears in a flash of light. Yeah, like he like shrunk to a middle spot and then like a pop of light, like just like just a flash, like if an orb exploded or if you just saw somebody get ascendant. I have no clue. However, she looks up and as that happens, she goes, huh, and then looks back down at her phone. Oh, right? And so I was like, no, what? What huh? Because I'm reading town immediately. Like, you don't know what I just saw. I need to know what your huh means. And she goes, Oh, I just saw an energy blip. Plant back on the oh yeah, that's normal. All the time. Right. I was like, a what now? And she's like, an energy blip, you know, like a like a flash of light. And I was like, no, you did not. She goes, Yeah. I was like, no, because I literally just saw a big ass shadow man standing there, and when you turned her your head, he disappeared in a flash of light. And she goes, Yeah, energy blip back on her phone, as if nothing happened, right? We get back in the room and we decide that we're gonna like start getting ready to investigate. So we start pulling stuff out. All I had was some flashlights. Yeah, that's it. I just had flashlights. I don't think I had other equipment. A cell phone. We're gonna catch ghosts with flashlights in a cell phone. A cell phone, right? We're gonna try nothing compared to the blue gummy bear back now. And so we get the two flashlights set up for the flashlight game. And I get I try I'm trying so hard to like get my phone connected to the Wi-Fi. So we're getting the flashlight game set up, and you know, for those of you who might not have played it before, it's where you take a flashlight and you unscrew the top of it until you can just barely tap it to make it flash. And usually like one means yes and two means no, or vice versa, right? And it's literally for yes-no questions. So we get it set up, I but I couldn't get my phone to connect to the Wi-Fi, and then I got the other one connected to the Wi-Fi, but like it would not stream live on TikTok. Like, I could not get it to go live, no matter how hard I tried, and that really sucked because I wanted to record the whole thing. So we're doing the flashlight game, and I start asking questions, and then what was that?

SPEAKER_00 33:12

Um, it felt like something very, very lightly like like tapped like my shoulder, and I was like, oh shit. Or maybe, maybe Ho's sleeping in bed and like their foot just like tapped my shoulder.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

That just reminded me though that when I saw the apparition that walked through the door, I I was like, huh. And then my friend that was with me was like, what? And I was like, I just saw an apparition walk like out of our door, and she goes, Oh, that's weird. I just felt two taps on the top of my head. Yeah, it was weird. Anyways, okay, so flashlight game. So we're sitting there and we're trying to play the game, and but I couldn't get it to like I could get it to work when I was by it. As soon as I sat down though, they both started like flashing really fast, but not like turning all the way off, just like like flickering, like not strobe, like yes, but like flickering like a strobe light, if that makes sense. They weren't turning all the way off, so they weren't full strobe. But uh, I would walk back over to like adjust them again, and they would be turned all the way back closed completely, even though I was unscrewing it all the way until you had to touch it barely to get it to flash. And that happened like I can even tell you, like five, six times until I finally got pissed off and gave up. It's like I don't like this game, yeah. No, it was like fuck you bitches and hoes, no. So that was when I was like, okay, fuck this, I'm not gonna do this anymore, whatever. And we just kind of like decided to finish our drinks, and we're just kind of like sitting there talking, and I'm like, that was really annoying, blah blah blah. And then there was a curtain that covered literally the entire side wall on one side of the room because we had a balcony and it just like covered the doors to the balcony, and it was from walls wall to wall all the way across the side that the balcony was on. And it literally looked like someone took their hand from one side of the curtain all the way down to the corner of the room at the head of the bed that I was supposed to sleep in. Like ruffling it or like like like dragging like it was open and it went like this, and I could literally tell where the hand would have been, like how it vs in like that, I could tell where the hand would have been. And of course, I I like am staring in the corner where sh the whoever it was stopped, and like in my head I can see a woman with blonde curly hair and a white dress, right? I don't know why, that's just what I saw in my mind's eye. And I I'm like staring at this and I was like, hey, did you see that? Did you see that? And then it happens again four more times, all the way back away from the head of the bed to the other wall, all the way back up, all the way back down, all the way back up, as if to say, yeah, fuck it happened. Yum bitch. Yum bitch. Did you see now? So I'm staring in the corner, like turning my head but not my eyes, to my friend. Did you see that? Did you see that? And she's just quiet, and I look over at her, and she's like wide-eyed, like white knuckling the chair she's sitting in, like pushed back up against the back of the chair, and she's just like slowly, like quick, doing like the quick little nod.

SPEAKER_02 36:38

She's like, Did I see that?

SPEAKER_01 36:40

And I was like, I went, that had to have been the AC. She's like, Nope. It's like that had to be the AC. And she goes, No, I turned the AC off when we got here. And mind you, the thermostat in arm room was not as nice as the one in this room. It was like this fucking big and it was analog. Okay. It had dials on it. Seriously, it had like a little whoop whoop whoop whoop switch thingy. Yeah. And so I was like, it's the AC, it has to be the AC. And she goes, No, I turned that off before we even turn the flashlights on. And I was like, no, it has to be the AC. So I walked over to that wall and I was like, yeah, it's significantly colder over here. It has to be the AC. And I start like feeling around in the air. I look like Mr. Miyagi had been training me earlier that day. And I'm like, I don't feel anything. No drafts, nothing. It's just freezing cold over here. And she's like, I turned the AC off before you turn turn on a flashlight, Chase. And so I walk over to the wall to prove to her that she is wrong. And not only had she turned it off when she like it was a button on the side when she pulled her fingers off of it, she had accidentally detached it from the battery on the wall. Oh. I didn't have power even in it. So it was completely off without a thermostat.

SPEAKER_02 38:02

And it was cold and moving.

SPEAKER_01 38:05

But yeah, so that's uh my story, and I'm sticking to it. There's some. Are you ready for a rock? Yeah. So technically it's my turn to read the rock. However, I think Allie needs to read this one because we all saw the picture and we all know exactly what it is.

SPEAKER_02 38:24

And it is my favorite rock. Labratite. Labradorite!

SPEAKER_01 38:31

Laborite. Laborite! That's a little Asian way you see it on little TikTok scoops. Now tell them how it's properly pronounced in case anyone can do it.

SPEAKER_02 38:41

Well, I don't even know if it's proper. So I pronounce it Labradorite. And Chase pronounces it Labradorite. Which I'm pretty sure that that one's more accurate.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

Well, so it's from That's what your grandma calls it.

SPEAKER_02 38:55

It's from Labradorite.

SPEAKER_01 38:57

It's from the island of Labradors. The name of the island, that's the name of the island that it's from. So you can make the judgment call if you want.

SPEAKER_02 39:08

However. Labradors? I thought it came from Alaska. So, okay, so what I what when I first saw this, it was beautiful. It was like one of the first stones that attracted me. Um, but when I researched it, it would tell me that people believe that it came from the Aurora Borealis. That it was the colors of fair.

SPEAKER_01 39:28

I thought it was the opposite. I thought the story was that a warrior saw it in the stone, struck the stone with his spear, and released the colors into the sky to create the Aurora Borealis.

SPEAKER_02 39:40

One of those two, but it has ties to the Aurora Borealis. That's all I know. And I don't know what Labrador Island is, but makes total sense. It would be because of the sheen. Oh man, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. The thing is, it comes in like so many different colored sheens. Like there's some of them that they light up little blue, there's some that light up little yellow, little green. Newfoundland. Newfoundland. Ooh. Labrador. Canada? No, that's not Canada.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

Part of Canada's innermost province. Newfoundland and Labrador, known for its rugged beauty. But, anyways, that's not what I'm calling. Including Viking settlements. Okay, go ahead. Sorry. I got way too inside. Oh, you're good, you're good.

SPEAKER_02 40:28

I have a necklace, a ring, a bracelet with this. I I love it. It's beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 40:32

You have a Labrador, Labradorite mountain that I gave you. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 40:36

I have little rocks that I found everywhere. Anytime I uh look for one, I try to look for one of the different colored gene. But the blue one is always pretty. Anyways, what is it? Labrator Labradorite.

SPEAKER_01 40:48

It's so weird hearing you say it right.

SPEAKER_02 40:50

Say how you normally say it. It is a feldspar mineral first discovered in Canada's frozen north.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

So yeah. I guess Newfoundland must be close to Oh, you said Canada, not Alaska.

SPEAKER_02 41:03

The stone seems to hold the light of the Aurora Borealis just beneath its surface. What? Yeah. The slightly psychedelic iridescent dance is known quite appropriately as Labrador Escence. Labradorescence? How would you say that? Labradorescence. Labrador essence. Who needs it? Adventurers exploring far off lands. Place alchemical, spiritual, artistic, and dreamy. Any Pisces? Oh, my mom's a Pisces. I am I am a big explorer and adventurer, so that's what we're doing right now. Exploring. Uh where to put it? Wherever you cast your spells. Oh nice! My hands! When to use it. When you've lost your faith in magic, the world is a weird, wonderful, whimsical, and watery rock hurtling through space.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

With a bunch of overly evolved monkeys monkeys on it who talk into microphones and think they're funny.

SPEAKER_02 42:15

And yes, and that makes you special. Gaze into the labratterite and delight in that. I love this. Uh so the the the what is it called? The motto. The motto for this one is protect your magic.

SPEAKER_01 42:32

Every time she asks me what is it called, and I always it's a motto.

unknown 42:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:38

You should probably leave it.

SPEAKER_01 42:39

That'd be funny. Every now and then I will. Just for you. Just for you. So the one on this card, it has a blue, green, and like a peachy sheen on it. I like the ones with the rainbow sheen. So we're gonna catch different colors on it. That was beautiful. There was a lot at the the festival today.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

Yeah, yeah. It's a it's a it's funny because I don't ever remember seeing it. But it's one of those things of like when you have it or you see it, then you start seeing it around. Um, when I first found it, I was like, this is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. I have never seen anything like it, and then all of a sudden, it's everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

Everywhere. The the one that I feel that way about is um Larimore. It's like the ocean in a stone. It's hard to explain, but literally looks like water.

unknown 43:25

I love it.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

Does it look like water and sea foam, right? Kinda, yeah. Yeah, like how the sea foam like crisscrosses across the water. Yeah, I looked at it. Yeah, you've shown me a few of those and I always think it's so pretty. Or like how like water reflects across the bottom of a pool. Yeah, it's so pretty. Was that it? Did we do it?

SPEAKER_02 43:44

I think so. Did we do the thing? That was a quick, good, look, quick little history about the place that we're we're staying at right now.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

And um some spine tingling stories. I always forget how like creepy those stories sound when I tell them, and they're My own experiences. I was there. I saw this with my own eyeballs. All of that being said. Thank you for listening to Conjuring Chaos. Make sure to hit that subscribe button and look us up on the social medias.

SPEAKER_02 44:12

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SPEAKER_01 44:16

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SPEAKER_02 44:34

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