Healing or Hooked? The Truth About the Wellness Industry

Welcome back to Bless Your Heart: The Podcast That Spills Secrets & Heals Souls. This week, we’re diving into the wellness world and asking the question no one wants to say out loud: is it actually helping us heal—or quietly keeping us stuck? From supplement stacks and detox trends to the pressure to constantly “optimize,” we explore the line between true healing and clever marketing, and how to reconnect with your intuition in a world full of noise—because bless your heart, not everything labeled “wellness” is actually well. Disclaimer: This episode reflects personal opinions and experiences and is for informational and entertainment purposes only; it is not medical advice, and listeners should consult a qualified healthcare provider for personalized guidance.

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

And welcome back to Bless Your Heart. I'm Carlisle and I'm Heather. And before we get started, just a little disclaimer: this is for entertainment purposes only. We're not doctors, we're not nutritionists, and we're not wellness coaches. We're just two girls out here following the dots. And the dots have led us on a health journey, but they've also led us to question the health journey. So let's get into it with a little kickoff and catch up on what's going on in the world. So I can start it off with since our last episode on the food industry, man, the chips they're already falling. So West Virginia has passed the first full state food dye ban. Then a federal judge blocked it, siding with the dye manufacturers. So a state, a state went ahead and said no to the petroleum dyes, but then a judge went ahead and rolled it back. So again, we always know that the judge is in the pocket of the industries. They're really our judicial system is owned by the corporations, in my opinion. In my opinion, it judges get a piece of the table.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

Yes, I agree. And it keeps going. So, you know, we talked about the dyes and the candies and stuff last week. And I have uncovered a few more things. So in South Carolina, we have a SNAP benefit that you use your EBT card. So your SNAP benefits are your supplemental nutritional assistance program. So these are the people that decide what's healthy or what should be on our EBT. If you cannot afford groceries or you cannot afford, you have EBT system. So in South Carolina, we have SNAP. Well, because I'm in the candy industry, I'm uncovering all these things that are changing, which is great for our podcast because we're learning in live what's going on in the world and how we're gradually becoming healthier, just like some of the other uh countries like Europe and Asia and things like that, that Turkey and stuff that have their natural dyes and not petroleum-based dyes. Well, I learned this week that South Carolina and a couple other southern states like Texas, Arkansas, Alabama, there's about six of them that I noticed, and they all seem to be the southern states. Well, they have decided that they are no longer gonna allow energy drinks, candy, or soda drinks to be a part of this SNAP assistance program anymore. So I don't know who the hell put it on there to begin with and thought that this would be healthy for um us to have. But I thought it was interesting because I love sugar. I I have to eat a piece of candy like every day, even if it's just like a small little piece. But I thought it was interesting how the southern states are the ones that are doing this first when we're the ones who love our sugar so much, but we're the ones that are gonna take off candy and soda drinks. But the energy drinks, I thought that was interesting, but not every state is doing all three of those. Some of them are just doing candy and soft drinks.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

You know what's crazy about that though is you can't use your Snap EBT to buy organic produce, but you can use it to buy junk food that's going to make you sick. So it's like these programs that were for the poor, they can't, it's like we're setting them up for failure. Come on, man. Like you can't buy organic produce, but you can buy you can buy all the candy that you want. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 3:18

It's crazy. So RFK Jr., up on a couple episodes ago when we talked about the food pyramid flipping. RFK Jr. came out and said to the government, this flat out said, the government lied to us for 50 years about the food pyramid. I mean, sitting HHS secretary is now finally saying this out loud. It's sad that it has to come to that, but hey, we're getting somewhere, right? Because it's not conspiracy anymore. It's the actual news now. And so we don't look like the loony ones with the uh tinfoil hat, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Because we're not loony with tinfoil hats. We just had extreme pattern recognition. It's like, apologize to your conspiracy theory friends because they just saw it before you did. And it's it's also disturbing to see these things. Like when I realize that we're being lied to and it's coming to you from every direction, it's really disheartening, right? Like, it's like, oh, is this a losing battle? But it's not. Like we could slowly take things back into our own hands. Like, look, I feel like all of this food stuff has come from social media pressure. People reposting, about it on social media. No one knew about all of these problems. And grassroots efforts are like, they're coming. The grassroots efforts are here, and I love it.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

And you know, one thing I forgot, you know how last week I was telling you because of the time change? I forgot to mention this. So I had my checkup with my holistic doctor today, and I brought up to her that I was feeling like brain fog. I just my like equilibrium was off, like it just felt so weird. And she goes, Well, of course she did. Lots of people do. And she goes, you know what's the sad part? Is the government knows that this happens. That she goes, look up the the amount of the amount of um emergency room visits the day after time change or the day of a full moon. There will be more heart attacks and more people going to the emergency room than any other day. And the government knows this, she said. And they still allow us to continue to have daylight savings time.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

That's so crazy. I can't believe it though. So just like one random side note about Ted. He emailed me from the emergency room on the full moon and he made a comment about how many he said, the uh the emergency room is overflowing right now, lots of screaming children. And he goes to the emergency room like four or five times a week. So I just thought it was interesting that he he said that randomly in his email when he was talking about the emergency room. So I believe it. I believe it. It's interesting. So it's crazy that all of this is coming from social media. No, even our our TikTok is up to 5,000 followers. So, like, we have our Bless Your Heart inner circle, which is growing. So it's like, yay, I just wanted to shout that out. Um, for everyone that is new, we hope that this reaches the right audience, just like two pattern recognition girlies out here questioning things and uh not believing the narrative that we're told. It's like, hi friends, I am not from the government and am here to help you. But like speaking also of social media, I have come across this girl. Her name is like Casia Casia Julius, and she's paralyzed from the waist down. But she has been documenting her journey of microdosing mushrooms and how it wakes her legs up. And um, it's even she's starting to even take them and like try to relearn how to walk. So while she's microdosing the mushrooms, it's like her legs start shaking and they like really come alive. So a long time ago, I watched a Vice documentary talking about microdosing THC and mushrooms uh to children with like seizure disorders and whatnot, and how it really helped uh calm them. And I'm starting to see people like different people come out on social media. So I really think like the revolution is here. Are we going back to like 70s culture, like anti-government, like grassroots? I kind of get the 70s now. Um we get our parents and why they did the things they did back then. Yeah. That's fun. I get it. But you know, I I often go back and forth. Like, if I could time travel, would I want to go back to like the 70s? And then I think about it and I'm like, no, I want to go back to whatever time that the Biltmore house and houses like all of these grand buildings and structures around the world when they were actually thriving. Because I have so many questions, and it's just so crazy. The social media, our video regarding the Biltmore House pool, the indoor pool, where it's just like it's 2026. Are we questioning like that? This was still used for recreation, a million likes, 26 million views. Like, people are curious. I always thought I was the only person that walked through the Biltmore and was like, this place just doesn't add up to me. No. My mom was always like, Sunshine, butterflies, gilded age, this is so glorious. And I was like, You build this with a cart and buggy, and it's this grand and this perfect, and still, and I know they have to like restore it and keep it up, but the materials used, you just like we don't use buildings building materials like that anymore. Our roads, the potholes on our roads, like, are you kidding me? The construction is not is clearly like not translating it from one end to the other. So I we could go on and on about that, but I think we need to revisit the Biltmore house and have a deep dive episode, maybe a bonus episode later on, because obviously people like it. People are curious.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

It makes people start to question things as well. And maybe that's the intro. Maybe it sounds like that's the perfect intro for us to get more followers because everybody's interested, especially where the pool is, because it freaks you out as soon as you walk in there. Yeah. But we could talk about a bit more later. So, speaking of our internet thing, let's get into our bless your heart moments. I accidentally found mine this week looking for the best pizza takeout in Mount Pleasant. And you know, when you, you know, you search Google and it has other questions that it recommends that you might want to have answered. Randomly enough, it had the wealthiest person in Charleston. So I was very intrigued. So let's see who it is. Well, it is a lady named Anita Zucker. Even though her last name looks like Zucker, my husband just happens to know who this person is as well and said no, it's pronounced Zucker. Anyway, so she is the wealthiest person in Charleston. She is the CEO of Intertech Group here in South Carolina. It is a North Charleston chemical manufacturing colomerate. Now I thought that was very interesting. Of course she's the richest or wealthiest person in Charleston. It just makes you wonder, you know, the amount of chemicals that go into our food that get sprayed on us. Like somebody's got to sell it, somebody's got to make money of it, because I mean you still have to dispose of chemicals at the end of the day. So I just thought this was interesting. So it's about an estimate revenue, about$3 billion. She also owns an aerospace engineering firm as well as significant commercial real estate. We found that her husband, Jerry Zucker, passed away, and that's why she's now running it. He just happened to be an immigrant from Israel, and she just happens to be a daughter of a Holocaust survivor. Noticing patterns, that's all. Um, I also thought it was interesting that I uncovered all of this the same day that I woke up that morning, just was glancing through TikTok, and it had put on my feed these people and Greer and it a person here in Megat, um, right outside of Charleston. And both of these people own farms. And they were at the South Carolina Town Council basically talking about the how should we say this, the geoengineering that is going on in our skies, and that you and I are not the only ones that notice uh around 12 o'clock, or even sometimes in the mornings, our skies are beautiful, they're beautiful, they're blue, and then all of a sudden these lines appear, and then these clouds appear, and then you can't see the sun because it's blocked, or you know the next day it's gonna rain because of these things. So they were basically showed what they found, like their evidence, any kind of testing that they did on their own. I love to see it, especially for South Carolina, but it does seem to be that it's just very interesting to me that the wealthiest person in Charleston just happens to own a chemical manufacturing company as well as an aeros, an aerospace uh engineering firm. It just is interesting to me. And I think people should just question that. And so that's why I thought it would be a perfect bless your heart for this week, especially going into our health and you know, how do we keep our body healthy with the things that we face every day? And I just thought that was interesting how it just landed like that on my lap.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

Yeah, I mean, it's you can't lie that the bugs are disappearing. I mean, we talked about that on our episodes, like, how many butterflies do you see? How many bees do you see? I've saw like I've seen one butterfly, and that like broke my heart that I just was like, where are all the butterflies? And like, when was the last time you saw honeysuckles in the wild? I used to remember when I would walk, there would be honeysuckles everywhere, and there's no honeysuckles. We're getting rid of all of the pollinator plants, so we all need to like start creating our little pollinator gardens. But that's like another note. And after they spray, then it's like all of a sudden, all of our animals have like runny eyes all the time. Like, what's that about? We had a really interesting talk this weekend, but I'm gonna save that for a future episode, and I'm going to pivot because there has been a major operation where they're rescuing, trying to rescue thousands of dogs from this Wisconsin plant where they're experimenting on animals, like they're growing parasites on them and actively, actively like documenting it. There's all of these suits out against them for animal abuse. And so this guy, Wayne Husing, I think that's how you pronounce it, he got together in a grassroots operation and went and rescued, I think like 200 of the beagles of the 2,000 beagles. Um, and they actually returned like 22 of them. The police uh took a lot of the took a lot of the activists into custody, which I kind of get, but the fact that they returned 22 of the dogs back to the place that was torturing them. It's like, I understand doing your job, but you gotta take these people to jail and due process, but the fact that you literally, these dogs were gonna see freedom, and then I see videos of them playing for the first time. Yeah, they are bred to be experimented on, and then they're euthanized, and that is so sick. And I found out that there's like the godly Snell Research Center at Clemson University, and I'm just saying it is very vague what their description is, but according to AI, they definitely are doing animal experiments there, and it's not necessary. Animal experiments are not necessary, they're not, they have some sort of research, like imaging research there where they can track disease progression. So I'm like, are they in are they infecting animals with diseases and then watching it how it progresses through their body? Because if so, like F. Um, and the fact that it's so vague, their website is so vague that I'm like, there's something going on there. There's a watchdog website, and they have five complaints over the past year. So they are doing something there that people don't want to be talking about.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

And that's not the only one, Carlisle. I learned about one here in South Carolina a couple years ago during 2020, because um Fauci, the NIH, had something to do with it, and they cut the vocal cords out of the Beagles so they could not, when they were crying and stuff, they couldn't. It was it's oh my god, I remember crying when I first, but they finally I I believe they closed it down, or I remember even riding the governor during like 2021. I think it was 2021. But that's crazy. Well, I'm glad to know that it's still it's finally starting to get around. I don't know why they picked beagles.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

That once apparently apparently they pick them because they're really like docile dogs out of all of the breeds, like it's specific to the beagles. But it's I saw that because of social media pressure, the wife of the main activists they dropped like the charges, her arrests. So, like, kudos. They're planning on going back out on April 17th with thousands of people to rescue the remainder of the dogs. Like, they have a serious operation, they're going about it like completely legal ways of taking these dogs back. And like, if I weren't chick too chicken, I would go up there and help them break out the beagles, but uh I gotta like get a little oomph in me. But you know, my grandparents were a part of a grassroots effort in Beaver Dam, North Carolina, the little farm town that they were to stop a new dumping site from coming to their to their community, and it would have completely changed the entire landscape of Western North Carolina. I'm talking about they were going to like the spent nuclear canisters, they were going to bury there. And my grandparents proved that that was not a rural area. They went every night in Canvas and took their own survey of the area to show that there were residents where they were trying to say that they weren't. And they took water jugs from their watershed because it's some of the purest in the country, to Washington, D.C., met with, met with all of their congressmen and their senators, and then they had someone from the White House come and land like on their front lawn, one of the what are they called, the president's cabinet, one of the cabinet members came to their house to see this area, and this little tidy community stopped a nuclear dump from coming to Western North Carolina. That's a huge thing. My grandparents always used to talk about don't lie to the Secret Service because they know and they are the people. I found I found a recording. Um, this college in Western North Carolina did an oral interview with my grandmother before she passed away in her 80s to tell the story. So I have to like dig into that and figure out how to get that story out there. But I'm I'm like, I don't know, I'm kind of pumped for humanity. I think that we can bring back more grassroots efforts with social media. It's like the wellness journey. We've been on this since 2020, probably for me, 2019. Thank goodness I got off of alcohol the year before COVID because I would be dead for sure. Um, but that started my whole wellness journey. And then 2020, people started getting on uh social media and TikTok and sharing their journeys and the government's weird pressure made everybody go, Wait, why what's the peer pressure about? Like if it's so safe, let me make my own decision about it, like back off a little bit. The pre the pressure of it all makes you wonder. But then when you start thinking about the wellness industry, you have to think about the food industry, and it's so crazy.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

So let's get into it. So is every system we've talked about this season runs on the same thing, control the access, control who benefits, and make the people inside it too busy surviving to ask the questions?

SPEAKER_01 18:53

I know. I mean, when you put it that way, like you have to look at the entire system. So I took a step back and I was like, how does the health system and the food system, how do they play in together? So it's a seven-step playbook. First, you gotta engineer the food. You strip the nutrition, add addiction, okay, chronic inflammation. Then you sit back and you wait for the symptoms: obesity, diabetes, ADHD, sleep apnea, anxiety, depression, chronic respiratory issues. Then you sell them the treatment, you sell them medications, devices, procedures. Each symptom equals its own unique revenue system, which is crazy in itself. But then you patent the cure so the drugs can't be generic and they say expensive. And then after you do that, after you patent all the drugs so no one can get better, then you own the insurance agencies. Only approved treatment you can have. It's so crazy when you ask about getting things tested and they won't do it because there's no kickback for them. Everything has to go through its approved channel and process. So it makes you think like now people are filing without insurance and finding out that some things are actually cheaper, which is its own its own little loophole in itself. So then people start awakening. People notice, they like go looking for alternatives. Everybody wants to know if we are getting played, how can we pay you back? But then when they start looking for everything, then they're like, okay, now we can start to get better. But someone has to sell you the wellness products, right? So then they gobble up the wellness industry. So the same people who are making you sick, selling you the medication with the side effects, getting you all of these health issues are now selling you the cure. And you have to have money to be able to dig into the cure, right? So we really got to look into it. But when you just look at those seven steps, it's pretty wild.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

It makes perfect sense because that's exactly what happened in both of our journeys. I mean, step by step, we finally started looking for other alternatives.

SPEAKER_01 21:06

I know. I mentioned a little bit like thank goodness that I got sober in 2019, but it's like once I stopped drinking, that was only like the surface level of the problem. I had to figure out how did I get to the addiction, what caused the addiction. Then I had to look at the damage that the addiction had done on my body and start like healing my gut, healing my mind, healing my body in general. Um, so it was this whole, like a whole cycle of healing. But during that process, I have almost gotten addicted to the wellness industry because you can start figuring out all of these things for you, right? Like I found out that you could look at your DNA and you could find your gene mutations. And that's how I found out that I had MTHFR. And then I found out that you had to take like drops for that. And then there's all of these supplements that you need to take. So then you have to start step back and look at like, oh my gosh, okay. So what What supplements do I really need? What supplements do I not need? What's causing my ADHD? Is it the food? If I just cut out all of this food and do anti-inflammatory for the rest of my life, will I be okay? So it's like the wellness industry is a wild ride in itself, and you can kind of get carried away in it, right?

SPEAKER_00 22:18

Yes, you can. Because if your doctor didn't tell you because they didn't test for it, they didn't test for it because there's no prescription to write for it. Isn't it interesting what gets left out instead of just finding a cure?

SPEAKER_01 22:30

I know. And then it's like, uh, so your doctor won't test for it. So then you have to go to an alternative doctor who, like, I love her dearly, but I can't use my insurance to see her. So I have to pay out of pocket. The first, you know, the first visit with her is a very good, solid consult, so it costs a lot of money. And then the follow-up appointments, they aren't cheap either. And you can use your HSA, but insurance won't cover it. And it's like a whole gamut in itself. It's like you got to be rich to run the system, right? You have to have serious money to invest in your health now. It's like a material flex, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:08

And it's done like that on purpose, we're finding it. Or it seems like it's done on purpose. It's totally like it.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

So during your, we've talked a bit about your hospital when you had to detox and all of that stuff. What has been your what have you noticed with the wellness industry?

SPEAKER_00 23:25

So one thing, one thing I will notice, I don't like going to hospitals in general. Even if I have a friend that is in the hospital, it could just I don't like going, right? Because I was in the hospital and then my sister was in the hospital. So we spent a lot of time in the hospital. They are not the cleanest. I'm just kind of surprised how they're kind of dirty. And especially not just my case, but even for my sister's case. And we went to two completely different hospitals in Charleston. Now, I had some of the best nurses, I had a great doctor that I like. Um, so I mean, other than that, like I enjoyed it. But the walls start closing in on you. At least that's how I felt in the hospital. And by day four, I mean, if I felt somewhat coherent, I was scratching to get the heck out. And the amount of process it is to leave, they would not let me leave unless I had a primary doctor already picked out, already have an appointment follow up after my after me being in the hospital, you know, to do all my run all of these tests again, basically, like run my blood and all of that. Because I was basically anemic at that point. And the other part I would say is this the antibiotics they put me on, because they didn't know what was wrong with me because it was a bacterial infection, so that's what they claimed it was. I don't know if a parasite was in me, worm. I did see a worm later, so I don't really know, but something was in me. And the antibiotics that they put me on were so strong to kill it, and I get it. They had to do what they what antibiotics they had available. So I whatever, I get that. But nobody went through like what the antibiotics are, what the side effects are, right? So month later, all of a sudden my hair starts falling out, and it's you know, for a girl for your hair to fall out, it's kind of a big deal. And you kind of start to get depressed. You just get depressed from just having to sit at the house right after the hospital. And nobody really shares that piece about it. And I remember when my sister got sick after I did, I said, listen, that depression, it will sneak up on you. And before you know it, you're like sitting there by yourself. You can't do hardly anything. Nobody really wants to hang out because all you can do is sit there. I mean, because you're trying to heal, and and rest actually is one of the biggest cures. If our body can heal itself, you just have to allow it to rest. And also the antibiotics, I had crazy gut problems. I had to take antibiotics. I mean, uh, excuse me, while I was taking the antibiotics um and then the steroids, I also had to take a probiotic in order to help clear my gut because the meds are just destroying it. So they were in turn making me more dehydrated. So that is why I had to say, like, we need to find another alternative. I was going up to my follow-up doctor appointments that were specialist and they were spending five minutes with me after, you know, running blood, and I had to go three or four different times, and it's just, and then sometimes they didn't they didn't run all my blood work like they were supposed to. Um, it it's kind of it's a frustrating process. I can't imagine when you become like 80 and older when you constantly are having all kinds of issues like my parents are starting to. My mom always said getting old isn't for wussies, and there's some truth to it because I can't imagine somebody who already has health issues, you know, because they were born with a weak immune system anyway, right? And like they're gonna easily catch anything that might take a while for me, or if I get the flu, I can get over it a couple days where that person might not be able to. I just can't imagine. And the amount of money I am still paying for my hospital visit. And you were talking about how you know, you know, some of the insurance things. My cousin was telling me, because she has um like five kids and she's in she's a nurse practitioner. Well, she's the one who told me a couple years ago that it's actually cheaper. There are options when you're at the doctor or at the hospital if you do not have insurance, and they will definitely give you a lower cost than if you had insurance. Because I know that's one thing we're gonna talk about later and how backwards that thing is.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

Yeah, it's so it's so funny the rabbit holes that you can go down to go down. But then it's funny, someone like we can't go to the hospital because it's going to cost us so much money, right? But then someone like Ted, who's homeless, goes to the emergency room and gets whatever he needs like four or five times a week. So it's like the system is not set up right.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

And then there were two homeless people there when I checked myself in to the emergency room. I forgot about that. And I was wondering what the heck is going on because they were actually like forcing those people out. Like after they knew they really were not that sick, like they were making them leave and getting them out as fast as they could. It was you're right. There's a system that's broken that they know that you can go in for a little while.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

Yeah, so you go to the hospital, right? And you have two options. You can do what the doctor tells you to do, which is gonna be take a bunch of pills that are gonna have a bunch of side effects, and then you're gonna have to probably take another pill for your side effect or your new like health issue that's going on, or you can like go the holistic route and try to go like woo-woo and uh, you know, go with the eastern medicine. So it's like eastern medicine versus western medicine. Well, like the eastern medicine is like cool and everything, but now the industries have figured out that they can get into the eastern medicine and charge us an arm and a leg. So you get into that cycle. But while we were talking, we were talking about like getting old isn't for wussies, and it made me think about my grandparents and how they all passed away. My mom's mom had breast cancer at 35, and then again later on in life. My dad's mom ended up dying ultimately of stomach cancer, but she also had breast cancer at some point. And then my dad's dad, he died of Parkinson's, and all of these things scream environmental to me. So they grew up near this mill, right? And the mill wasn't cleaned up until, gosh, sometime in my lifetime. Like I can remember when I was young, there used to be these giant like foam blobs that were almost like iridescent floating down the river, and it was from all of the waste from the paper mill. And my grandfather worked at the paper mill, but when you think about all of these people, and it's like, how did that actually affect them? And when I think about their deaths, I think about that. But when you when I asked about my grandmother, I went to the gynecologist and I asked, Well, my grandmother had breast cancer at 35. So does that mean that I need to get a mammogram early? And they were like, Well, they said, Does your did your mom have cancer early? And I said, No, she didn't. And so they said, Well, then no, you don't need to get it because it's not genetic. So that makes me think about it's it's environmental even more. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

Well, it's funny that we want to talk about uh the health, you know, the health system and how it's not really designed to keep us healthy. We're finding out. But since I'm 40, my mother had breast cancer, and she had breast cancer, not from our family, but because she had menopause medication that the doctor did not tell her to stop taking, and she continued to take it. And so it basically fed her estrogen and gave her breast cancer, which in turn had to do radiation and had to do all these other things. And now every so what every year she has to go get checked again. So she started pressuring me a little bit, but because you and I had already had these kind of conversations, I was like, you know what? Since we're gonna do this podcast about this subject, let's all learn something together. So I went to asking Claude AI a couple questions, like, hey, what's the difference between you know the mammograms in America versus the mammograms in Europe? You know, are any countries banning mammograms? So questions like that. Well, no country is technically ban them, but there are definitely studies being done. And I think the amount of how often we get them and how early we get them may not really be necessary, is what I'm learned. Let's dig into it. So the Switzerland study in 2013, the Swiss medical board reviewed all mammogram screening evidence and recommended no new programs be introduced. And then the existing ones actually start to be phased out in favor of the individual informed decision. So, which we all want to make our body our choice, right? So making, all right, so basically a woman and her daughter can decide what they should do, right? If they should start screening at 50 or if they should start screening at 40. So that's what the the study was about. Now, on social media, it spread like wildflower fire that you know it's it's banned in Switzerland. And that was the one thing that Claude said that's definitely not the case, which I actually thought it was banned. So I'm kind of surprised, but it's still interesting. So we find out that Switzerland, Canada, and most of Europe have actually pulled back significantly on routine annual screenings. They actually start theirs at 50 and they do it every two to three years, whereas Americans, we start it at 40 and do it every year. Who wants to squeeze those tatas? I mean, that many times. I know.

SPEAKER_01 33:05

I've heard that there's a lot of false positives. And you know, it's like uh you want to be able to screen for breast cancer, obviously, but so what are like the false positive statistics?

SPEAKER_00 33:17

So it's it's kind of shocking what it said. Over a 10-year period of you getting annual screenings, the percentage goes up 50 to 60 percent of having a false positive. That is shocking to me. Only 10 years. So think about it. If I started it now at 40, and by the time I'm 50, they're definitely gonna say there's 50% chance they're gonna say, I have something. And then I'm gonna have to be all worried and scared, and then I become fearful, and then you go into the negative low energy cycle, and then you become even, then you do become really sick, then, but anyway, so they also over-diagnosis is basically what this is. So for every breast cancer death prevented, an estimated three to four women may be unnecessarily treated for cancers that would have never harmed them. That is so crazy to think about.

SPEAKER_01 34:08

For every one woman that is saved by screening, three to four maybe unnecessarily treated put under cancer treatment.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

That is wild. Because when you go under um the chemo treatments and stuff, man, it basically kills you and brings you back. I mean, you lose your hair, you're all pale. I'm at Family Good Three. You look deadly, and the amount of money that we spend on cancer treatments is a joke. There's like a whole industry of just cancer stuff now.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

The chemo thing, I've like kind of I've kind of dipped my toe into looking into the actual statistics of like what is the percentage that chemo and radiation have like saved lives. It's really not like significantly higher than it was before chemo and radiation came onto the playbook. So um, I think that there's like other ways to screen, right? Screen for breast cancer. I'm not saying that we're not saying like don't get a mammogram. If you want to get a mammogram and that's good for you, I think that everybody should just be informed of could be the outcomes from that and that there could be a false positive. I don't know if women are informed that it's a 50 per to 60 percent chance of a false positive after 10 years of screening. Like, I would want to know that just so maybe for a little bit of peace of mind, right? But you can talk to your doctor and that you could get tested for the raca mutation. Yeah. You could do like MRIs, breast ultrasounds, and now there's something called like PD tomo synth synthesis, tomosynthesis.

SPEAKER_02 35:50

Yeah, I had an idea.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

There's different things that you can do. If Europe is banning them or doing away with programs, though, I always think that you should look at it because again, their healthcare system is run by the government, so it's not perfect, but they also don't want you to be sick because you cost them more money. So that's kind of how like we're in even into this like awakening market, right? So everybody's like, I don't want to do anything that the healthcare system tells me to do. Like, it's scary out there to trust your doctor. I could not even like 10 years ago, if you would have said, well, I've never really trusted my doctor fully, but if you would have said that doctors are just there to check boxes and push pills, the mainstream would have been like, no way. But we have this whole movement going into the wellness industry. Everybody's looking into their DNA, they're wearing their aura rings, they're getting glucose monitors when they don't have diabetes and checking their glucose constantly. You know, it's like all of these crazy things. It's almost like the new chic thing is to talk about basically your health score. Like girls sit around the dinner table and talk about their aura ring and their heart rate value. And uh it used to be cool to smoke cigarettes. Now apparently it's cool to like live. Everybody wants to live forever. So instead of instead of chasing cigarettes and booze, now people are chasing their circadian rhythm and their cortisol levels. It's it's like I'm obsessed with this brand called Nello, and their drinks are straight vitamins. They have one for nighttime, they have one for senior hormones, and they have one for uh ADHD support, and they're delicious. They are good. I like they are good as far as I know, straight vitamins, but eventually they'll get bought by some big company and it won't be the same anymore, you know? I know, like my rayos. I know. Well, I was looking at all of these brands that have been gobbled up because now the wellness industry, it's cool, it's cool to eat healthy. So now you just all of these big companies like gobbling up. It's like Poppy, the probiotic drink, they sold for billions of dollars to to cook.

SPEAKER_00 37:59

I noticed it used to be sold in the refrigeration system where my fruit, like where my real juice drinks that I'll drink in the morning, like the ginger drinks were, and now they're not there anymore. They're on the shelf where it's not refrigerated. And I immediately was like, wait a minute, that tells me they took something out. If it's on the shelf, it doesn't have to be refrigerated.

SPEAKER_01 38:18

Right. And now, you know, even Miss Fitz Market, they're they're owned by Coca-Cola. So it's like, how much can we even trust the healthy person? I know. I saw a meme the other day, and I kind of agreed with it. It was like they're poisoning us from the skies. So, girl, drink that, Dr. Pepper, and enjoy yourself a little bit. And might as well, right? And it's like, you know, it's really, it's a vicious cycle. I thought like getting on the health train was gonna be cool and fun, and I was gonna get really healthy and a half, but it's a never-ending journey because it is an uphill battle. It's depressing being American. I want to go live in on a d in a different country where they're not poisoning me. I'm like, I'm not even kidding anymore.

SPEAKER_00 39:01

I know, I know. I've I'm seriously, there is a trend on TikTok that says people, people that are leaving America. I get it now. I get it. I used to think, oh, America's like the greatest. Everybody's like, oh, America's the greatest. All these people are coming here. And it's like, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_01 39:16

Are we? Like, I'm not, I'm one of the most patriotic people. I love the red, white, and blue, but I am fully convinced that we're actually a giant corporation. We're not a democracy or a republic because people will argue we're not a democracy, we're a republic. Okay, well, we're neither of those. We're actually a giant corporation, guys. We are. I would like to be the republic again. Can we please be the republic again and not have the corporation anymore? I know. My mom's trying to get us to be part of the daughters of the American Revolution because we have a lot of Revolutionary War um ancestors. But it's interesting because it's like they were fighting against like the tyranny. They were like, yo, hold up. And we're almost on the verge of like needing a revolution. How much worse can it get before we're all just like, okay, we're actually coming together and we're gonna revolt because we don't want to be sick all the time. Everybody should be able to agree on the fact that we don't want to feel like shit all the time. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 40:14

But we we don't have to go fight for it, though. We could, I mean, we don't have to go in the streets fighting for it, but we could not buy those products anymore. I think that's like the biggest thing is us consumers can do is not buy these products anymore. As soon as you stop buying them, watch how fast they fall.

SPEAKER_01 40:31

We could talk about the medical world all we want, and then we could talk about the wellness world all we want. But I thought it was interesting uh when I was trying to figure out what was wrong with me, and it just happened to be dairy and gluten that was making me inflamed, so I felt like crap all the time, which seems like an easy thing for your doctor to be like, hey, have you tried your diet? But instead, my doctor was like, let's do allergy testing, let's do a sleep apnea test, let's do an ENT. And so then I was like, Well, wait a minute, how many people are being told that they have sleep apnea and being put on crazy ass CPAP machines and really they just need to change their diet because their body is inflamed. Like if they just lost a little bit of weight, that they would be able to breathe again. It's like when John was so sick last year with mono and so inflamed, he could not breathe at night. And it's like it was like sleep apnea, but really it was just all the inflammation in his body. And I can tell when I'm really inflamed, I he'll comment, like, oh, you were snoring. And I know it's because like I've been eating bad and my body's inflamed. When I'm not eating bad and I'm doing my anti-inflammatory sleep like a baby, have no problems with snoring or waking not feeling rested. But it's like how many people are stuck in this CPAP world when really it's just like they could lose a little bit of weight, but it's a whole industry they want to keep you trapped, right?

SPEAKER_00 41:59

Yeah, because you know, my mom has a CPAP now, and I remember her telling me that she had to go in to do this test. You sit in this room, you know, you go at nighttime, you can't have alcohol, you lay there, and then they they put all this stuff on you and you do the test. And I remember my husband saying, anybody that goes in there to get a test for a CPAP is gonna come out with one because that's how they get you. It's like as soon as you go to the car lot and the car guy comes out running out to get you. I mean, that's his chance or her chance, right? I mean, sometimes I feel like that as a sales rep at the trade shows. I'm like, hey, have you tried McCandy? But anyway, so it's interesting how many people actually do have these CPAPs and how much uh how much money they spend on these things. And then come to find out, was it Phillips? They were sued because so many people were getting sick, like this black stuff was was like in their lungs, and and some of them were coughing it up, and then um they were just finding out this black crap in their lungs, and they come to find out it's like, you know, that mask, and as it's a breathe all night, it has this foam, and that foam eventually breaks down, and then has these small particles come to find out that are like going through your body, and then in turn, because your body's trying to fight it off, you end up getting liver cancer, lung cancer, nose cancer, like the anything with you know your sinuses and um yeah, I didn't know you could have a sinus cancer. I've never even heard of that until I was doing this research for this.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

I know, and when you think about like they're raking in millions, if not billions, of dollars on these CPAP machines that are literally killing you, they're not even helping you. I don't know if they're I don't know if there's like any studies that uh a CPAP machine actually improves anyone's quality of life. Maybe it does, but I think a healthy diet, even trying like a G. GLP1 on a microdose trying to lose some weight. I think the problem with the GLP1s is that they're over-prescribing them. My holistic doctor told me that like peptides and GLPs have been around in the holistic culture for a long time. But the problem is, is doctors are just like pumping people full of them on high levels. And then they're also not telling people, like, hey, you need to eat more protein while you take this. Hey, you need to watch your calcium. There's a record number of women in our age with osteoporosis now. People's bone density, like because they're not compensating for what they're doing to their body. It's so crazy. The industry just gets wilder and wild at it. So it's like you can lose weight, but then you got to be careful losing weight. Can uh you can get these machines to help you breathe, but then actually, are they making you sicker? You know, and then how many products have we been using our whole life that are actually like slowly poisoning us? It's really, it's really crazy to think about.

SPEAKER_00 45:03

Um, but uh when I was at uh Saltwater Cowboys the other weekend, it's funny we were gonna bring this up on our podcast because she works, I'm not gonna say where, but she works for a pharmacist near you, near the Greer area. And she was the one that was, you know, telling me about this because we were talking about how expensive it is and how once it was so expensive, then people that couldn't afford it were looking for other alternatives, like what we were saying, part of the steps. And, you know, uh if you couldn't afford it, then you were buying compound, you know, you're compounding it by it from different countries and things like that to be able to do it. Well, of course, South Park, it's either South Park or the Simpsons. They always have episodes that either predict what's getting ready to happen or they're telling you what's gonna hap what is going on without like I just love the way they do it. But South Park had an episode about it and it was freaking hilarious. It was right, Randy's daughter, because he owns a pot farm, integrity farms, and his daughter was going to school and she had a crop top, right? Where he's like, You're not going to school with a crop top. Well, he goes, So finally, because mom said she could take the crop top, you know, she wear the crop top to school. Randy goes, All right, well, I'll pick you up and you'll be embarrassed with what I'm wearing. So he shows up with a crop top, and all the moms that had the crop tops with their abs showing, you know, because they're all on a Zympic. So that's how you know that they're on a Zimpic because they have like the abs and the crop top for the South Park. Well, they go, Randy, and they're like, I didn't know that you were on, and so they make it like, oh, you're part of the cool kids club on this drug. And apparently these moms would have like house parties where they would get like the cheaper version and all basically just shoot up the zemping uh knockoff. And so, of course, Carmen, poor Carmen, couldn't afford to get it because he was overweight. And so his friends are like, oh, well, this is another way for us to be able to do it. So they go and and buy the compound, and they have this 18-wheeler coming. And so the moms, it's like fast and furious. The moms are on the on the truck trying to take over the truck because they need the drugs that they can continue to shoot up because they want to be skinny forever and out they they have to be skinny forever. Oh my god, it was so funny. But it took that to explain it to me very easily without even having to take the drug myself. I don't know anybody who has, other than like the housewives, and then you just slowly see them, like they're they're so thin, some of them. It just doesn't even look natural at a certain point if you keep taking it. But it's very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 47:41

It has made its way to my world, and like I sit around the mahjong parties and I listen to everybody talk about it. And like I'm not innocent, I've taken peptides, I haven't done a GLP one, but like I've done like a human growth hormone type of peptide. I I didn't keep up with that one because my ADHD makes it a little hard to be consistent. But I've recently, not recently, John's ex-nephew, he suggested to me, he was like, Oh, Carlisle, you gotta get on this new peptide called Celank. And I was like, Oh, what's Celank about? And he was like, Oh, it's from Russia, it's good for your anxiety and your ADHD. Like, you're gonna love it. I do love it. And it's like mix up this compound and I shoot it up my nose and it quiets my brain, and it kind of almost gives me like an Adderall kind of effect without the Adderall. Like a few minutes after I shoot up my nose, I'm like ready to go. So it's new and it's like, you know, can't be proven. Um, but it's out of Russia and it's a pretty, pretty big thing. And uh so far I love it. I haven't done the weight loss drugs just because I'm really afraid of losing muscle and calcium and all of those things. And uh I just don't feel like I am at the point where I want to go down that route route, but I do hear everybody talking about it, and it really is crazy to sit around the parties and everybody talking about their dose and what's what they've experienced. And most people feel like crap while they do it, I've noticed. So I'm like give myself a shot of something every day that makes me feel like crap. Like, no wonder you're losing so much weight. You feel like crap, you don't want to eat because it makes your stomach. I got it, yeah. You have to choose between like drinking and eating for some reason. There's like all sorts of things. So I haven't gotten into that world, but it's really just interesting how the conversations just like around the mom's like mahjong tables of what everybody's into. Right now, everybody's into their health and their wellness, which I love. Yeah, clearly that we're all on this train. I just want to make sure that we're not on the like what's cool train versus what actually works for us. My holistic practitioner, I really enjoy her because I feel like everybody that I've talked to has a very individualized plan. Like she's not here's your here's your plan and like let's go. But then it annoys me because I want to do this anti-inflammatory diet, right? And I loved it. I found the book, like 10-day anti-inflammatory. Now, if you go to look it up, you can't even really buy the book. You have to buy the program. So I'm lucky because I found a book and I did it for myself. But then when you pay like$200 for this program, that's so easy and should be free to everyone. It's a 10-day anti-inflammatory diet. It should be it should be available for everyone. It shouldn't cost 200 bucks. Yeah, it should not if they need it. Everything's a market. There is a market for everything. Now it's it's wild. I love it though. Um, I'm I'm on board. I'm um on board with the wellness market. We just gotta make sure that we're not getting played and conned and taking stuff that's bad for us. But I'll take that alcohol sales are down because in 2019, when I was first getting uh off of alcohol, like if you went and got a mocktail, it came in a kid's juice class and it was kind of emasculating in a way and made you feel like I'm a little kid and I can't drink alcohol. Now they have mocktails, they have menus. You can pay a whole$12 for a mocktail and$13 for a cocktail now. So I guess we're uh equating that juice is the same price as liquor in these day and age, but I guess you gotta do what you gotta do. So I'll have a mocktail. Usually I just stick to water, soda water. Um, but they have THC drinks now. That whole industry is interesting. It's like, will that will the alcohol world just morph into the THC drink world?

SPEAKER_00 51:31

Yeah. The only, the only is pretty good. They sell that a lot in South Carolina. Have you seen that brand yet? Yeah, I have.

SPEAKER_01 51:39

I heard that they're uh local to the area, so we like to support, we like to support the local brands. But it's interesting. We'll see how the the market plays out. I hope for the sake of the industry that they lean more towards beverages that are uplifting, euphoric, energizing. All of these brands are messing up, in my opinion, because they're only doing night tiding drinks. The mommies at Mahjong want to drink their THC seltzer and they want to feel good. They don't want to feel like I gotta go to bed now. They want to feel upper. We're our age demographic, they want to go grab a THC drink because a lot of people want to get away from alcohol, but they don't want to go to bed. Want to be in a job. So there's a whole there's a whole market there just saying.

SPEAKER_00 52:21

Mm-hmm. And the Gen Z market, I mean, they're the ones that are kind of leading the pack where they don't drink as much as every other generation. I mean, there's been studies on it. They like more of the mushroom or THC options. So hey, I don't see people getting getting in fights when they do those versus drinking alcohol. So I know.

SPEAKER_01 52:43

Okay, so in college, 2010, I went to Ultra Music Festival. I had no idea really what EDM that type of music was. I had like kind of heard of David Getta, but this is before EDM and house music was really mainstream, which we love now. So my brother dug me to the festival, and when we were pulling into town, Heineken had a billboard and it said, Hey, have a beer with 150,000 of your closest friends. And I was like, that's weird. And then we went to this concert and there was 150,000 peaceful people having the time of their lives. Nobody was like breaking out into fights, and it was like peace and love and how things are supposed to be. But you go to like a soccer match in England, for instance, and everybody's getting all boozed up, everybody's in fights in the soccer arena or in the pub over the game. And I was like, this is where I want to be. And what was the difference? The people in the football game and the soccer game that are getting in fights, they're all boozed up. The people at Ultra Music Festival, they're on drugs, baby. Psychedelics, living like. I mean, you might see some people licking trees, but they're gonna give you a hug.

SPEAKER_00 53:54

They're not gonna punch you in the face. Oh my god, speaking of trees, I'm a total tree hugger now. I've made my mom a tree hugger now, too. And I don't care who laughs at me, but I swear there is something to it that negative ions that you get from having your your bare feet on the ground and having your hand on that tree. Do it. Close your eyes for a minute. Give me a minute. Like you feel something in your body. It's weird. I saw this old old guy in uh Canada do it. I'm like, well, hell, I'll try.

SPEAKER_01 54:23

You know, it's like when there's a say, they're like, when you feel like shit, just go stuff, go touch some grass. And I love it. I have this old golf course path that they've closed down that I walk through, and people are probably out there like, is that girl carrying her tennis shoes walking through the grass? Yep.

SPEAKER_00 54:41

Oh god, what was that movie? It was my favorite movie, not Dirty Dance, Pretty Woman. They always tell us in movies. If you remember Julie Roberts and Richard Gere, they were on their blanket and they had like their their bare feet, you know, and they were rubbing it in the grass. That's what we're supposed to do. I mean, they always make fun of people who did it, but that's what you're supposed to do. I meditate so much easier when I'm barefoot sitting outside versus trying to meditate inside. That was something I even learned on my own and I didn't even know about.

SPEAKER_01 55:12

I know. But it's even when we were in the BBIs, how everything, the sky was natural, the land was natural, like you could just feel the energy. When I lived in Hawaii, everything just felt different and clean because you're so kind of removed from the rest of the world. And when you're here, you're just like gross, I don't want to feel like this forever. So we have got to learn to take things back into our hands. I think even though things are still tainted by them spraying chemicals everywhere, you still gotta sleep, get your eight hours of sleep, get your sunlight, 20 minutes of sunlight every day. I saw something that said get 20 minutes of sunlight, and if you're too busy, get an hour because that means you're super stressed and you really need that hour of sunlight. So get your sunlight. Like I've been trying, um, I have blue eyes, so they're really sensitive to the sun, but I've heard that you've got to like let the sun into your eyes. So I've like been trying to walk more with just hats and let the sun, the sun kind of get into my eyes. I've stopped wearing sunscreen and just try to manage my time in the sun better, like rotating in and out of the sun to like should do. That's the problem with everyone getting baked, is we put on sunscreen and we think it's normal to stay out in the sun for four hours and want to know like why we got sunburnt, or you know, we should we should just be using our brains to say, like, oh, I'm hot, I've been in the sun for a bit, let me get out of get into the shade for a little while. You know, drink your water. And then I just want people to stop and think if they're buying a wellness product and it requires like a lifetime subscription, it's probably not your product because what we want to do in the wellness world is we want to not have to take these things. Yeah, we want to make ourselves better so we don't have to pump ourselves full of things. We don't want to take our 10 medical prescriptions and then switch them for like 10 other things that we're paying for. We want to try to get to the root cause.

SPEAKER_00 57:12

And I think we just gotta like eat better. I really do. It's amazing what just juicing does. I was I was trying the juicing one after I got sick just to see, you know, get more live fruits. And I had to figure out what the hell is a live fruit, you know? But it's true, when you juice it, it still has so many uh nutrients and stuff. But I mean, they've even had studies done where if you juice and you have an autoimmune disease, that it could, you know, I guess reverse that, I guess is the word, because my dad now has autoimmune disease. So I thought about trying to suggest that to him. But I mean, it is a lot of work. I mean, it's a lot of fruits and vegetables you got to put in there every day, especially when you're used to eating like a solid versus just having liquids all the time. But man, do I feel better after I'm doing that? Even if I just have like one a day with a regular meal, like my skin will start to feel better, like I'll have more energy. But it's something about, you know, that canister, that thing you showed me on TikTok where it had the live water, where it had the vortex. That there is something to that. And I'm glad you found it. I need to try and find another option that might be a little less expensive, but that girl's got it. Like she's dead on. Like I was researching that too, and live water is really where we get our nutrients. We don't really get our nutrients the way water is today because it's not moving. Like, like, think of a stream, I guess, is how you would, because it's constantly moving, so it's alive. So that canister that you should make.

SPEAKER_01 58:40

And think about all of the water that we've drank out of plastic bottles and gotten all the microplastics. They're saying that's where all the stomach cancer is coming from, is like literally drinking bottled water in plastic in plastic bottles. Like, so neither of us are saying that we have anything figured out. I'm like six years into the journey. You know, I think Heather's about the same time. Maybe we've dabbled it in a little bit longer. It's funny, when I was in grad school, I went to this girl and like everybody thought I was crazy because she had me drinking like raw, raw filtered apple juice with green and hip seeds. And people were like, What are you doing? And now everyone is so into it. So I'm glad that people are into the quote unquote woo-woo now. And I'm telling you, everyone that I've sent to my like functional holistic lady has gotten changes and seen results if they followed what she said. Like, I haven't I haven't been in a while. I probably didn't do for a checkup, but I know the steps that I need to take to stay healthy. And I know when I'm not doing those things, if I feel bad, what's causing it? It's the way I'm it's the way that I'm taking care of myself. You know, we gotta stay grounded, we gotta just like keep questioning everything as we always do. So now we've seen like what happens with the food system, we've seen what happens with the wellness system, we've seen what happens with like the healing industry. So now we wanna know where does the money for all of this actually live? We're gonna talk about the financial system next. We're gonna talk about who owns the debt, we're gonna talk about why 2,222 CEOs have resigned in a single year. Like, we're not saying that they know something we don't. We're just asking what's going on. There's something going on. We want to follow the money and we want to see how all of the dots connect. So bless your heart for tuning in tonight. We'll see you next time. See you next time.