Let's Talk About Healing - My Guest Apostle Laurence Rothschild

Are you ready to have your eyes opened?

Apostle Israel sits down with Apostle Laurence Rothschild, a man uniquely called into the powerful and often misunderstood world of deliverance ministry. In this gripping episode, Apostle Rothschild breaks down who needs deliverance, how it is conducted, and what it truly looks like in practice.

But that's not all. He pulls back the curtain on some of his most extraordinary personal experiences - encounters so jaw-dropping they will leave you speechless.

This is an episode that will shake you, stir you, and open your eyes to the very real spiritual battles being fought all around us. Whether you have never thought about deliverance before or it is something close to your heart, this conversation will challenge the way you think about demonic oppression, possession, and the freedom that is available to every believer.

Don't miss it. This one will stay with you.

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 1:22

Um how do we prepare for healing Mirror Wonders and Jesus glorified.

SPEAKER_03 1:52

Let's talk about healing. Tune in now.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

And welcome.

SPEAKER_07 2:03

I thought I got a record there.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

Okay, I think we are good. Welcome everyone. Welcome to Let's Talk About Healing. I'm your host, Apostle Israel. And today I have a very, very, very interesting gentleman with a very, very interesting ministry, which I cannot wait to hear about. Okay. So my guest today is Apostle Lawrence Rothschild. And he and I have been conversing over a few things over the last few months, including being a guest speaker at his leadership conference and all of that. So before we begin, I'm gonna just say hi to Apostle Lawrence. God bless you, and thank you so much for being with me today.

SPEAKER_08 2:45

Oh thank you, Apostle Israel. It's firstly, it's a pleasure to be on live with you. And it's always a pleasure to glorify Jesus Christ and talk of the wonders in which He is doing in the earth today, of which we are grateful and thankful. Amen.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

Amen and amen. So before we continue, Apostle Lawrence, I'm just gonna ask you to pray for the audience, for everybody who's listening, and everybody who's gonna be joining us and those who are going to be who are going to be watching. And remember, when you are watching this program, please tell us where you're watching from. While Apostle Israel, Apostle Lawrence prays for us. Glory to you. While Apostle Lawrence prays for us, um, let us know where you are from and don't forget to share. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_08 3:29

All right, Heavenly Father, Lord, we give glory. And first, oh God, Lord, we say thank you, Lord God, for our salvation before we step into anything else. We thank you for the grace and the mercy that is applied on our lives through Jesus Christ. Lord, I pray for this live stream and Apostle Israel and the audience and everyone watching that somehow that there will be an interaction of your Holy Spirit. Thank you for the anointing that is here right now, that is upon Apostle Israel and upon myself. Thank you for these ministries and thank you, Lord God, Father, for what is about to be said and done. I pray for signs and wonders and a real incorporation, Lord God, of your Holy Spirit, of your glory, and that you will deliver and speak to your people today. We just pray a great blessing right now in Jesus' wonderful name. Amen.

SPEAKER_02 4:19

And amen and amen. Hallelujah. Oh, I can see somebody's watching from Saba Salim is says hi and blessing both. God bless you all for watching. Listen, guys, you know the drill. When we come to this platform, we go into our Facebook, remember, and we go in and we share. Okay. So share the post. I'm gonna be sharing it right now on all of my platforms. So feel free, don't be shy, because what is gonna happen on this platform today is a very interesting program because I have never had a deliverance minister or a deliverance apostle come on here, but today I have got Apostle Lawrence Ross. I cannot wait here. The deliverance service on Easter Sunday. I cannot wait to get into that. That's you know what? I'll tell you the truth. I don't even get to hear anything about these stories. As you hear them, I hear them. This is why I've got so many questions to ask them while they are here. Nothing is pre-programmed, nothing, no screening questions or anything. We get to hear it live and we get to hear it raw. And good afternoon to you, Margaret Chirik Chik Chirikeny. God bless you for watching. Thank you, Jesus. Yes, so share, share, share, share, share. Whether you're watching us from YouTube or you're watching us from Facebook, please share. Or if you're watching us on Christian World Media, please also share as well. And don't forget to scan and give to the ministry. We've been running this now for almost a year. And you, I'm sure you've all been blessed by all the wonderful testimonies that you've been hearing. So, Apostle Israel, Apostle Lawrence, you are in the hot seat today. Tell us a little bit about yourself for those of you who don't, for those people that don't know you, let them know who Apostle Lawrence is and where he's coming from, and what exactly it is that you you do.

SPEAKER_08 6:17

Well, firstly, Apostle Israel, thank you for inviting me as your guest. It's a pleasure to be here, and that in itself is just a real blessing to me. So thank you so much for that. And now we're in trying to answer the question without the waffling. Yes, amen. My my name is Apostle Lawrence, and I call myself an Apostle Lawrence because that is my title, that is my calling. I have a genuine calling and a genuine anointing on that. But let me just mention, just quickly in a nutshell, who I am. I'm originally from Wales. I came to London in 2014, and in coming to London, the Lord has told me and asked me to do numerous things. One of them is start Revival Ministries London or RML Church. I was a minister in in Wales as well, and I was ordained in 1999 in Wales. I'm an ex-drug addict, criminal, jail, drug addict.

SPEAKER_02 7:09

Hold on, hold on, you're in what now?

SPEAKER_08 7:11

Yeah, drug rehabs, all kinds of stuff, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:14

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_08 7:15

Yeah, I've really come from a very, very bad, destructive past, and I got wonderfully saved at 27 years old.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

Praise the Lord.

SPEAKER_08 7:25

But oh, I can sense that anointing now. But my walk has not been easy. My walk's been very difficult. I walked into a pastor's office and prayed to receive Christ, and I walked in depressed, and I walked out depressed. Right. Yeah, I walked out just as bad as I walked in. And it took me a long time, years of restoration, years of healing, years of getting my heart and my mind right. And you know, so I went to a church for quite a long time in Wales. I was trained there. I eventually ordained there. I was supposed to take over that church and continue it, but God had different plans and told me to go to London in 2014. I got married, moved in with my wife in London, a wonderful lady named Joanne, Pastor Joanne. And then the Lord has just continued and he told me to start Revival Ministries London. I'm that is still running to this day. Oh gosh, there's there's there's so much. And I think over the years I've grown a great deal, and the Lord has just ministered to me so wonderfully. I was ordained as a pastor, I've been separated as an evangelist, I've evangelized quite a lot in street preacher. I just those so many hats, it seems, I've been wearing. And in 2023, the Lord placed the apostle on me, and it's like I had a vision of Jesus Christ the following day, and it's just I feel like a changed man again after that. Deliverance ministry, that's another thing.

SPEAKER_02 8:53

That's what I'm interested in.

SPEAKER_08 8:54

Yeah, I know we're gonna get to that because that is really on my heart as well, and that is where I seemingly specialize in. Like this is really, I got a heart for this, and um, I've been through deliverance, I've had three long sessions of deliverance on me, so I've actually been through it, you know, and I've sworn at the deliverance minister and and said numerous bad things, and I had some nasty spirits pulled out of me, some stuff to do with Freemasonry, some stuff to do with Mormonism, stuff from my past, and it because you open many doors, you don't realize it, and then all of a sudden your bloodline is so infested you don't realize what's going on. So I had three very, very serious deliverance sessions on me, and I had a heart to learn about deliverance and to possibly get involved in it. So, what I did is I watched quite a bit of it online. This is going back a few years, and I did then some training with Bob Larson Ministries in America. Well, you most probably heard of him, Apostle Israel, or seen some of his stuff.

SPEAKER_02 9:59

Sadly, this is the first time I'm actually hearing his name. I should be ashamed in high school.

SPEAKER_08 10:03

Oh, you're not, no, no, no shame on you. Now stop that. But yeah, it's uh, you know, when I wanted to do deliverance, I wanted to do it correctly, and I wanted to make sure that I got to the root of the problem with the people in order to see them experience liberty and freedom, which is so very, very special. And I think a lot of people don't realize that they're bound because they are so immersed, right, in mental problems, soul ties, the demonic controlling them, being demonized, and they just go about their normal business until they start to realize and have a self-realization that things aren't really as good as they should be. And then people start to think, do I need deliverance? And I think the problem in the church today is that people have put deliverance on the back burner, they've ignored it, they put it to the side, and they said everybody can just jump up and down, have good meetings and stuff, and and a Christian can't have a devil, which is a total lie of the pit. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 11:13

So I actually want to want to kind of go into that because I think that's a very interesting one. So you said a Christian cannot have a devil in them. Let's start from there where this whole deliverance thing is uh is concerned. First of all, I think my question would be, Apostle Lawrence, you are in a church, how would you be able to discern that this particular person has got a devil in them if they don't come forward for deliverance?

SPEAKER_08 11:45

I think for myself, because I've been doing this now a long time and I've grown a great deal in this, the Lord's also given me, I believe, discernment and a lot of discernment, deep, deep, strong discernment, and the the ability to recognize certain gestures, the ability to recognize the way that somebody would speak, the ability to recognize body language on a particular individual, just going up to someone and the anointing on me is very strong. Just going up to someone and just standing there and seeing the reaction that takes place, because the reaction so much is not physically from that person, it's what's happening with them spiritually. We have to remember as well that the authority of Jesus Christ, the cross of Calvary, over and completely defeated the enemy. When someone is moving in deliverance, they understand their authority and their ability and that they have confidence in deliverance. The enemy always gets twitchy when you're around them.

SPEAKER_02 12:48

You are you are saying something that's really interesting because I found that when I go and minister, some people tend to be very uneasy around me and they are not, you know, kind of like really focused, they are moving around a lot. Whereas some people are standing there and they are really taking in the presence of God. But these particular these particular people are just like wondering wonderers. They are of not fixed the board in an auditorium where you are ministering. Would that be a sign that something not right?

SPEAKER_08 13:18

I think there's a possibility that the person, there's an uncomfortableness about the person because of the anointing on you, right? Because there's the anointing and the presence of the Holy Spirit, right? Which can make some people very uncomfortable. And then you have to ask yourself, a person, well, why would you be uncomfortable with the anointing? Why would you be uncomfortable with the Holy Spirit? Something is reacting, something is manifesting. Um I do deliverance a lot. I can, you know, in my own meetings, I can just have it. I know in the Lord, I need to pray for that person, I need to start to minister to that person. There's something I can see, and I can see it as well by the looks in people's eyes. I can see the anger on times, I can see the staring, I can see the daggers, and sometimes I can see spirits behind people's eyes. I can actually see things moving behind the eyes of an individual because you know the Bible tells us that the eye is the window to the soul.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

100%. So when people say, you know, what do you do to this person who's who's who's come in and you've noticed that they they've got this little devil in them, you see it in their eyes. Because I think I've had one incident where I looked at somebody and suddenly their pupils, it's like the the interior of their pupil was all black. There was there was nothing, it was just black, like yeah, that's that's the devil for you, literally.

SPEAKER_08 14:48

That is the devil for you. That's the devil for you, right? That's the darkness in them as well. And um, with myself, I've learned a method in the Bob Larson school, and I say it respectfully about him, he's an international well-known deliverance minister, right? Bob Larson, he's now classed as Dr. Bob Larson, right? He has the he teaches a certain method, and I did the Bible school as well. The International School of Exorcism is called, right? It did the Bible school, and I took a whole year to take my time and just go through this teaching quite deeply. At the minute, I'm now doing another one, it's called the Advanced Deliverance School as well. It goes even deeper again, and it really teaches myself, right? That is about anointing. I anoint, I would anoint someone on their forehead with the sign of a cross with the oil.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_08 15:42

I would have a word of God here, it's the scriptures, and and I would say, with the sword of the spirit, I divide soul and spirit, right? There's a particular method, I divide soul and spirit. What happens, right? It's like you're unzipping between the soul and the spirit, and whatever is hiding in that soul and is ready to manifest and come forward will come forward. Sometimes it might take a bit of aggressive commanding. Who are you? Come forward, who are you? Is there anybody there? This kind of thing. And to be honest, right, nine times out of ten, that is a manifestation, pretty quick.

SPEAKER_02 16:16

Wow.

SPEAKER_08 16:17

It's getting on top of that, then getting on top of it and finding out why that spirit is there, what are the curses, what was the doll in their bloodline, no matter how many generations ago, and it can go all the way back to Adam and Eve. If you have a curse going back all the way to that particular destination, you have a very strong curse. There's also then finding out the legal rights. What are the legal rights that then this spirit might be holding? Is chief spirit there? If there is a chief spirit there, how many then are under that chief spirit, tying them together, binding them together, all of these different things, right? And eventually bringing that person and at the end of that and getting that spirit to confess and repeat after me, then it leaves and it and I say, You go to the pit, come out, go to the pit, and most of the time I would see a successful deliverance, and I would see people literally being set free in front of me.

SPEAKER_02 17:18

Wow, wow, that's amazing. That is truly, truly amazing. So, would you say that? I mean, a lot of people throw this question around and they say, for example, you know, if you're going to go for a deliverance service, then you yourself need to be really like trade up and all of this, you know, because if something jumps out of somebody, they can jump into you. Would you say that's a fair comment?

SPEAKER_08 17:42

I think we're talking transference there, right? And I don't think it happens as easy as that sounds. Right. Because I think if someone's blood bore and uh under the blood of Jesus Christ, for a spirit to jump from one and to get into another, there has to be a there has to be some manner of permission. Right, right, the spirit just has not got that freedom and that liberty just to jump from one person into another person, it'd be absolute chaos in a meeting.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

You wouldn't but you see, the thing is, you we I I I'm I'm asking these questions because there's somebody out there who's probably been told this, and you know, so they don't go to deliverance meetings because they are afraid if they get there and if a demon jumps out, they're gonna jump into them.

SPEAKER_08 18:33

No, I think that's yeah, I think that's a slight bit of a myth, right? I if there is an element of truth to it, it's it's a small element, right? You know, maybe the person is in sin, they couldn't care less about Jesus Christ, and maybe a spirit would find a loophole in that person's character and or some way and try and find a way. And maybe there is an element of it, right? But in the general gist of it, right? I would say no. I would I would say no. Go to a deliverance meeting, see what it's about. Obviously, be prayed up under the blood, repent, make sure you're not living in sin and fornication and all the rest of it. Because if you are, you are you get grouped.

SPEAKER_09 19:14

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

Oh my goodness. Listen, ladies and gentlemen, I know you're all that for everybody who's watching this. I can I can see that you're all enjoying it. I can see all your comments there. Please like and share because what we are sharing here is probably some of the most important things that you are ever going to hear. And good afternoon, Victoria from Kent, Victoria Shepard. Lovely for you to join us this afternoon. Please do share, share, share. You know, sharing is caring. So I want to ask a question which is probably going to be very, very, very, very controversial. If you were asking me something about healing, I would say go for it. But you, you, you are the guru in this, in this uh probably better than me. But so tell me, when we talk about people having mental illness, and we talk about people having anxiety, and talk about people having depression, and we talk talk about people having all these phobias, do they fall in the category of a lot of it, it does. Right.

SPEAKER_08 20:23

A lot of it actually does. And we're when we're talking about psychiatric difficulties, right? You know, my heart really is. I when I do deliverance on people, I minister to them not only in the office in which I am, but I do it with a shepherd's heart and a caring attitude. And I realize that people are hurting, and some people are still traumatized over events in their past. And some of these events, right, can affect the mind. And then you have split personality, you have a disassociation syndromes, DID, which is disassociation identity disorder, which is a new term for split personality, and these different aspects, right? And people's minds can actually be healed, right? Not all not everyone who is suffering with voices in their mind has a split personality because some of this is a natural spirit. It's a spirit that is trying to identify itself as a schizophrenic spirit, and that schizophrenic spirit is a spirit and it can be cast out like the others, and to bring someone back into a perfect place of mind and wholeness, some of it is not so. There can be people who do have a slight mental illness or psychiatric illness because things do go wrong or slightly go off kilt a bit, it does happen. But I know this as well: God heals the mind, God heals a broken finger, God heals a broken toe, and God can heal a broken soul. And if we're walking in true authority in the Lord and we're open to the miracle working power of the Holy Spirit, there is no reason why somebody can't be brought back into their right mind. And I say because God can do it, not of deliverance minister or someone else, but because of God is God, amen. Because God is God and has the ultimate say, the ultimate power and the ultimate ability of miracles and bringing people into restoration, restoration, etc., well, then it is possible because there is nothing impossible with God.

SPEAKER_02 22:26

Amen. Amen. I love that. I love that. Yeah, because it's all about Jesus and it's all about the authority that He's given us as people, because without Him, we can do nothing, we can do absolutely nothing. And you know, as we are just we as we are just speaking, Apostle Lawrence, I just sense that somebody's watching and they have been having a lot of these mental health issues. What would you say to somebody like that? I I genuinely sense that somebody who's watching, and if you are the one who's watching right now, just say me. Because I sense that somebody has been really struggling with battles of the mind. Just say it's me on the on the on the on the chat there. You know, we can have Apostle Lawrence pray for you right now.

SPEAKER_08 23:09

I can't actually see any of the chat anything by end.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

Really? There's a it's there's There's that panel to the left that is all the, you know, where you'd normally have your graphics and your captions. There's also the chat history there.

SPEAKER_08 23:21

Oh, hold on. Let's see if I can let's see what that is.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

Yeah, it's it's right there.

SPEAKER_08 23:26

Oh, I've got it.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

There you go.

SPEAKER_08 23:29

Good, good, good.

SPEAKER_02 23:30

Yes, so we've got quite a few people there that are watching. God bless you guys for watching. Please do like and share this with all the Christian groups that you have because somebody needs to hear what Apostle Lawrence is sharing this this afternoon. And you have to remember that deliverance is also healing. It is the mind. You know, it's not just a physical healing as we always talk about on Let's Talk About Healing. It's also deliverance. Deliverance is also the healing of the mind. So you you know, Apostle Lawrence is coming up with some really is he's doing some myth busting, mythbusters. So if you are here and you're watching, yeah, it's it's gonna benefit you so much. So please do share this link, right? I I I I've got a question. So I let's say, for example, that you know, uh I I suffer with all of these anxiety, depression, and all of these things, and I have come to this minister and they've prayed for me and nothing's happened. I've gone to that person, nothing's happened, I've gone to that, and I'm now in that place where you know I've I've gone to every healing service that's under the sun in in the UK, and I go home exactly the same way that I've come in. Is that a minister thing or is that a me thing?

SPEAKER_08 24:44

It could be both ways.

SPEAKER_02 24:46

Okay, it could be both ways.

SPEAKER_08 24:48

I you know, I think sometimes you have to take each account. You can't tarnish everything with the same brush, you have to take each mo uh each each account differently and look of what's happening. One, it could be the minister that they don't really know what they're doing. And I'm gonna say something slightly controversial in a moment, but I'll welcome to my world.

SPEAKER_02 25:17

Those of you watching, please don't stone Apostle Lawrence. He's a ministry, you know, he's got a ministry of deliverance, so don't stone him if he says the controversy.

SPEAKER_08 25:26

No, I'm used to it, don't worry. So well, one, let's put let's put it this way one, the individual, right? Sometimes, right, they're not ready. I found right that people, right, they could come to me for deliverance, right? And I've had no breakthrough with them whatsoever.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

Right.

SPEAKER_08 25:40

Nothing wrong, my end, right? Because I do a lot of fasting and praying as well, right? And nearly every week, right? And I'm there, I'm in the Lord, I got the oil, I got my word, I got the authority, everything's there, right? And I can start praying for them, bang, bang, bang, start praying for them and get nowhere, right? The person then there's no response whatsoever. I carry on with it, I go hard at it, right? And there's there's nothing going on. And then um, I don't know why my comments aren't moving up, and I don't know what's going on there, right? But and I could then say to the person, you need to go back, you need to fast. You need to fast, right? And I'll give you some renunciation prayers, we'll give you a list of renunciation prayers. Go back, pray these prayers out loud as if you mean them, do it for a while, go back over it, go back over it, do some fasting, seek God about your deliverance, and then come back. Also, I also do what's called is a profile form. It's a form with multiple questions. Where were you born? What is your culture? What sin have you done? Have you done this? Have you done the other? Have you been involved in this? Have you been involved in that? Has your grandparents done witchcraft? Have you done witchcraft? Yes, no answers kind of stuff, right?

unknown 26:52

Right.

SPEAKER_08 26:52

And I it's a long form, we do this all the time, and I will look through that form and I will pray over certain things on that form. And then when I eventually meet the person, I have roughly an idea then of where some of the problems are, some of the roots are. And then you're able then to specifically hone your prayer down to more of a specific area and start to pray in alignment with the information you've already had with the willing participant who is the individual. People I find who come to me for the first time, right? I find right is a bit of a mixed bag. Some people they can have deliverance, right? And some people don't. And it's not because of anything wrong with the person. I think what's happening here, right, is that they're not being explained to at the outset, right, that they need to make preparation in their own time, fast, pray, seek God, right, and then go and see a deliverance minister at the right time. I think there's a time for everything, right? All right, and we've had this time and time again. And on this deliverance meeting, which we had on Resurrection Sunday, it was a registration event only. And the the reason we did that one event bright and for people to come was because we had on the on the registration and on the explanation about the whole of the meeting and what the meeting was about. We also put a part on there of what we would expect from the people before they came, before they came to the meeting, and that was to fill out a profile form. You don't fill out a profile form, you can't come to the meeting. Right. You don't do your renunciations and and take it seriously, don't come to the meeting. You're wasting my time, you're wasting your time, and you're gonna you're gonna waste time that I could be praying for someone else.

SPEAKER_02 28:40

Right.

SPEAKER_08 28:41

Right, and and although that sounds slightly tough, there's reasons for it. And I have found that people just off the cuff, they want deliverance, they won't make no preparation themselves, they won't seek God for themselves. I mean, in preparation, they they they won't fast, they won't this, they won't the other, but they want the deliverance minister to do everything for them.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

Right.

SPEAKER_08 29:04

Right, it doesn't work that easy. Sometimes it does. Then some people might get a breakthrough pretty quick and they'll say, Well, thank God for that. That was great, you know, praise God. But mostly, right, it takes preparation, it takes time in fasting and seeking God, and then going to a true deliverance minister that you know with integrity, with a true anointing, they really love God, that you can go there and you can say, Okay, I'm ready.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

Powerful, powerful. We have a question here from one of the people who's uh who's watching. Jonathan Hinks is asking a question. How do you know you have a problem that requires deliverance? And what is deliverance? That's a question from Jonathan Hinks.

SPEAKER_08 29:47

Okay, well, it I think one problem, right, is where is our thought life? Where is our thought life, and what are the thoughts that we find going around our mind or our heart, right? What are emotional problems that we might be suffering with for some reason? Is there things that habits that we have that we can't seem to break from, or that we're struggling in the flesh with something? Right? That's just a quick throw it out there. Deliverance and exorcism are two different things. Deliverance is the process that leads up to exorcism. Deliverance is going through the process of trying to interrogate the demon, of trying to find out where the curse began, of what the curse is, who did it, what ancestors did what, and even the name of the ancestors. Because what happens, and we're going slightly technical here, and I'm not going to cruise too much, right? I then go after the ancestor and the disassociation. Like a soul tie of an ancestor of an individual is locked into the bloodline. I try and get that out of the bloodline as well, get the demon out of the bloodline so the person can truly be set free. Deliverance is the process. Deliverance is sitting in front of the mist, maybe sitting in front of the minister under the power of the anointing and of the Holy Spirit. The the demon might have taken over to a point. They're saying things, they're they're saying things, they're swearing, they're spitting, they're they're like a snake, all of this kind of stuff, right? It might be I, you know, on um on Easter Sunday, resurrection Sunday more soul, I started praying for a woman in the method that I do anoint with oil, say, in the name of Jesus Christ, I separate you for the ministry of deliverance. And I go like this and I say, This now is the work of God. You're under the anointing, you're under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Get the sword of the spirit, I divide soul and spirit. I started that this particular person, it was a lady, and I never met her before, but she'd gone through the process, she'd done the profile form, she'd done the renunciation. So I knew that when I started to pray for her, at least she took it seriously. Right. Right? So I knew that when I was standing this before this person, I knew that there's possibly a manifestation gonna come. What it was, I didn't know, but I thought I'm ready for it. Right, and and all of a sudden, right, there was an absolute explosion, a full screaming pitch that you could hear two miles away, like a banshee. Violence, aggression. The woman was thrown on the floor, right? Absolutely thrown on the floor. I stopped what I was doing and I brought the person back to their senses. I says, Come on, let's get you up. I says, I want you to go and sit in your chair for 10 minutes. I says, I'm gonna pray for someone else. I'll come back too. I says, Don't worry. I says, I'll come back. So after 10-15 minutes, I brought the woman back and I said, Right, I said, We're gonna do this again.

SPEAKER_06 32:59

Right?

SPEAKER_08 32:59

So I went through the same procedure, right? But this time I did not allow the demon to take authority and control the meeting, and it was as violent as anything. Full on, full on aggression. One person on one arm, one person holding the other arm, someone nearly holding the legs because of the kicking. Oh my gosh. Right, I mean, screaming, shouting, the whole thing, right? And I'm there, I'm there, I'm really now at it full strength, and I'm telling that demon, you are not an authority, you cannot take this time up, you're not in charge here. You will do what I say, and you will do what I say alone. That woman, come on, that woman got set free. Praise God. That woman got set completely free, right? Now, deliverance is a process, it's the questioning of the demon. Sometimes you I tell the demon, go down. I want to talk to the individual, bring the individual back so that they're more in front. I talk to them, I say, Look, this has happened, that's happened, the demon has revealed this. Let's pray about this, let's renounce that, let's break that. And I say, right, we're gonna go back into the deliverance. I go back at it, I start again. I want that demon up, I want that spirit up, come forward, I want you, I want to talk to you. That spirit comes back up. You start going at it again, and what I usually do as well, I say, you are not to lie to the Holy Spirit, you are not to lie to the spirit of truth, to the spirit of holiness. You cannot do that. You try doing it, you're in for more problems than you realize. And I mean, I I even threaten the spirit sometimes. I sometimes I actually tease them and antagonize them with the name of Jesus Christ so that they will actually make a mistake and say something they shouldn't say. Right, wow, right? Yeah, it's quite involved. It is, it's quite involved, it's quite deep, right?

SPEAKER_02 34:51

And uh it is, it is, it is quite deep.

SPEAKER_08 34:54

Oh, it is, it is the full-on, heavyweight deliverance, but I actually enjoy it. I get a lot out of it because it is the ministry of Christ and it is one aspect of healing that people don't talk about.

SPEAKER_02 35:08

That's right. That's that that's why I'm so thrilled to to have you here with me today, because I mean, I have had guests who always flow in the gifts of healing on this program. So to have someone who actually is talking about deliverance is so key, and I'm really grateful that you're here to discuss these things. So moving on to moving on to say, for example, I invite you to come to our conference, and suddenly there's let's say, for example, people begin to manifest. You haven't got you have not profiled them, so you haven't got time to do what you do if it's your meeting, you know. How are you gonna? I mean, how does one handle that? Because you know, do you start?

SPEAKER_08 35:51

I would no, I would go off, I would just go at it.

SPEAKER_02 35:54

Right.

SPEAKER_08 35:55

I would because if there's something manifesting, it means there's there's a reacting to the anointing and to the authority, right? There's a reacting, and if there's a reacting, you have to ask yourself why is it reacting? And if it is reacting and it wants to come and it's being brought forward because of the Holy Spirit and of the kingdom of God, if it's being brought forward, well, I think to myself, I'm gonna give you an almighty smack round your spiritual cheek, and I'm gonna kick you out of this vessel. Because if something is manifesting, it's time to deal with it. Okay, I wouldn't mind about it, I'd be on it in a moment. I I'd be on it, right? I think with deliverance, there's a lot of people who feel uncomfortable with it because it's getting your hands in the dirty work.

SPEAKER_02 36:42

That's right, that's right. All right, I I I find I find that let me just say hello to a few people first. There's Dr. Mark Van Gandhi from he says hey from Wales. Trina Dalton says, Hey there from Canada. Welcome, Sister Trina. And Saba Salim says yes to, I think she's saying yes to mental health. I don't know whether it's to her for herself or she's saying that on behalf of someone else, or she's agreeing with us. I'm not sure which one is which, but here's my here's my sticking point. A child who is demon-possessed.

SPEAKER_08 37:29

Go on, I'm waiting for it. Go on.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

A child who is demon-possessed, and you know that this behavior is definitely demonic, but they are a child, they are seven, they are eight years old. I mean, I think for me, if I'm gonna be I'm just gonna put it out there to the church, not to you, Apostle Lawrence, because I know you know how to fix this thing, you know, I'm putting it out to the church. I think that is why sometimes we find that we we let these things go because we are looking at this child and saying, you know, we feel somewhat way because we are we are not looking at the cause of why this child is being like this, but we are looking at the child and the age and thinking it's a child, but there is a spirit that is old in that child doing things that are ungodly with this child or to this child. How do you do you agree with me that you know we as a church or as a people, we don't cast out enough devils in the church because we look at it and say this is sor and so, how can this sor and so have a devil in them? And then we feel somewhat way, and when we do pray, our prayers are more tailored towards, oh, you know what, just give them sleep, help them to understand, help them to this. I I find I I I've I've experienced that, and I'm thinking, no, we are not dealing with the root cause here. We are looking at the symptoms rather than going to the source.

SPEAKER_08 38:57

Yeah, that's a that's a multi-faceted slight answer on this one, right? One, let me say this, right? The problem of the lack of deliverance and in the church generally of today, and the discussions of the deliverance, right, is sadly down to lack of leadership and lots of ministers, right, who don't want to deal with it, they don't want to talk about it, it's too uncomfortable. They prefer the coffers to come into their offerings, keep their members, yeah, right, and have good, comfortable meetings and and candy floss the whole thing, right? At all, than get down to real conversations, right? And say, look, the church has gone away from deliverance, let's teach it, let's go and help the people, let's minister to the congregation, and let's teach the congregation to cast out devils themselves, right? When it comes to children, it's a bit of a more difficult subject. I feel like, you know, I feel for the parents, mothers and fathers, right, who might look at a child and say, Oh my gosh, this behavior is so erratic. There's something a bit more here than just a naughty kid. Right? I would do deliverance personally on a child, but I would not do it without the permission, firstly, of a parent and without the parents being in the same room. Right? Right? Because I think there has to be cautions and guidelines. Can a parent cast out a demon from a child? Yes, they can. In the name of Jesus Christ, use the authority that's been given to you as a believer. Sometimes, if there is a demon in the child, you have to ask yourself, right, what manner of demon is it? Why is it there? And has it been given legal permission to be there by the sins of the ancestors? And again, this is another one because if the sin of the ancestor and the reason of the curse is not found out, sometimes it is difficult to get the devil out. Right? It's like it's like it's this like this, right? Someone says, I got cancer, heal me of cancer, Lord. And the Lord's upstairs is saying, Well, okay, that sounds a good idea. I'd like to heal you of cancer, right? But let's get the spirit of death or cancer out of you first. Because you can pray for someone for the healing of cancer, and you can have a spirit in that person that caused the cancer. There's also a curse on that life that brought the cancer about as well. This is why I go really deep into the into the shall we say, into the jungle of the mess, right? Because that's a good that's a good way of putting it.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

Jungle of a mess.

SPEAKER_08 41:42

But if I was gonna pray for someone and someone said, Well, you know, I got cancer, I've been diagnosed with this, and I say, Have you ever had deliverance? No, would you like deliverance? Well, I don't need it, I'm a Christian. I then here we go, is that light again, right? But there is an issue. Why is there cancer there in the first place? And it's possible there's a spirit of cancer, a spirit of death. There's something else there as well that can bring cancer, right? I'm gonna say it, abortion. Abortion, right, brings the spirit of death, brings Moloch, because Molly, right, was was the the the the uh the deity, right, which the children of Israel wish to bring children, uh, or the abortion and the killing of infants, right? Right, and and anyone who's got an abortion in their bloodline, right, can have a spirit of death enter their bloodline, spirit of death then can also then call bring curses, causes of cancer, uh anything that can cause you to die, right? And all of this is tied up right in the demonic.

SPEAKER_02 42:39

Right. Okay, I'm gonna stop you there because I I I'm I'm sensing something here. Go on. So there are there are women that are watching this program right now. Some of them have not confessed or ever told anyone that they have they've ever had an abortion, and they are hearing you saying this, and they are they're they are thinking in their minds, oh, so I've opened up a door for all these things to come my way. Would you lead them in a prayer right now, Apostle is Apostle Israel? I've been talking to someone else called Israel.

SPEAKER_08 43:16

If I go to bed tonight and I say to myself, my name's been changed. I'm I'm Israel's Sunday, right? I'm gonna be talking to you privately on the telephone. Say, what are you doing to me?

SPEAKER_02 43:29

Apostle Lawrence, can you pray for those women that are actually here and watching this program and feel that they oh, and there's my friend Linda Magnus watching all the way from Iceland. Welcome, Linda. Praise the Lord. And Linda is going to be my guest soon on this program. So people keep your eyes peeled. Would you pray for the with those women who especially those there might be somebody who's got cancer and had this abortion? Is that something that you can pray for with them right now? Is they are watching?

SPEAKER_08 44:01

Yeah, no, no, that's that's not a problem. I'd like to say as well, right? You know, that let's let's get it out there, right? If there is a a man involved and a woman involved, the woman has the abortion, right? The man has also got his, he has to answer as well in being in agreement, right? If their partner had an abortion, it's not all down to the women, and a lot of women seem to take on the guilt and the burden, right, all on themselves when the man is also involved, right? And the man is also liable and answerable before the throne of heaven. And I want to try and say that to all the ladies who are watching, right? That if your partner or if your partner has been in agreement with you, right, that you've had an abortion and he he might not pressurize you, but he was in agreement. Well, guess what? Half of your responsibility, right, is also on him. He's also got he's not getting away with it, which men think they do, he's answerable as well. I also want to say this too, right? That God understands that we're fallen creatures and we make mistakes, right? And abortion is just one of many mistakes that people make, right? But yes. There is forgiveness with God. Let's get that straight right. There's forgiveness through Jesus Christ, and God forgives us.

SPEAKER_02 45:20

Amen.

SPEAKER_08 45:21

Anyone who's had an abortion, I'm sorry to say you've opened the door. You have. You've opened the door, right? And something's come in. It might not be a spirit of death, it might be something else. But something definitely took advantage of that open door. All right. Deliverance is definitely needed. But you know, what would you like me to do, Apostle Israel?

SPEAKER_02 45:40

So pray for these women who have had this abortion and God will never disclose it to anyone. Would you lead them in a prayer to deliverance?

SPEAKER_08 45:49

Yeah, I will. Let me encourage you, ladies, right? You're all just lovely, okay? Let me encourage you, right? I'm gonna, yeah, I'm going to um I'm gonna pray for you. Heavenly Father.

SPEAKER_02 46:01

There's somebody there called wholehearted spirit and says, I need deliverance. I'm not sure. I think that's a manage.

SPEAKER_08 46:08

Yeah, I see it. I see. You know, I do online deliverance as well sometimes, right? But I prefer face to face. I prefer doing it in meetings and things, right? You know, because hands-on is always better, right? But let me deal with this first, what you asked me to do, right? Lord God, I pray for these ladies right now in the name of Jesus. Oh, I got a lovely anointing. I pray for them right now that you will minister, Lord, to them for these ladies who haven't really spoken about this, Lord, to anyone. Maybe even their partner didn't even know that they were pregnant, but they went and did what they believed was right at that time. I pray for them, Lord God, that you'll just come into their situation and show a great deal of mercy, Lord God. And as they pray, and as they pray themselves and approach you in the privacy of their own little prayer closet and ask forgiveness, I know, Lord God, that you give them that forgiveness. But also, Lord God, at the same time, they also need deliverance. And I pray, Lord God, that Father, that you will deliver them and that, Lord God, that they will know, Lord, even of a good deliverance minister, that they can approach in the name of Jesus and find prayer for their problem. We also know this, Lord God, that dear souls, my Lord God, who have lost their time, shall we say, Lord God, are in heaven waiting to be united with these mothers. I bless these mothers, Lord, and my heart goes out to each and every one because, Lord God, this, although as as important as it is, it is one of many sins and problems that many people do. And I bless them in the name of Jesus. And I ask you, Lord God, to come right now and comfort them, Lord God. Come right now, minister to them, and Lord, come right now and deliver them and break the curses in their life in the name of Jesus. Amen.

SPEAKER_02 47:58

Amen and amen. Wow, powerful, powerful, powerful. Can we say a prayer for drug misuse for myself? I may have a door open. What's the draw? Okay, now, okay, now I see because I'm not wearing my reading glasses. Now I see who this person is. Okay, Caleb. Right. Can we say a prayer for drug misuse for myself? I may have opened a door. It's Caleb.

SPEAKER_08 48:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 48:27

I know Caleb.

SPEAKER_08 48:28

Yep. Lord God, Father, thank you for Caleb, Lord. We ask you, Lord God, that you'll minister to him. But Caleb, you need to stop the drugs, brother. If you're on the drugs right now, stop them. Do a bit of repentance, please. Okay, Lord, we pray for Caleb. Lord God, that you will step in into his situation and rescue him, Lord, from this drug problem. Rescue him and set him free right now in the name of Jesus. I know, Lord God, that you can do an immediate thing, that you can come to the rescue of an individual person immediately, Lord God. Lord, we break that bond of the enemy, we break that curse in the name of Christ, and we pray that you will come and release him in the name of Jesus. Set him free right now, Lord God, and give him an assurance of your peace and of your presence in Jesus' name. Amen.

SPEAKER_02 49:19

Amen and amen. Hallelujah. Oh, he says I've been off them for years. I guess maybe he's just making a referral point.

SPEAKER_09 49:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:28

Right. We've got about 12 minutes left. Isn't the hour just goes by so quickly? It's like we started five minutes ago. And so we we we want to like we've talked about deliverance in in doors being opened. So would it be fair to say that every sin opens a door to something else?

SPEAKER_08 49:52

I think it's I think depending on the on the level of the sin, because the enemy takes advantage. Right. The enemy, the enemy sees all the spiritual, a lot of the spiritual environment of what's taking place. And we know sin isn't an offense to God. Sin is against everything that heaven stands for.

SPEAKER_02 50:11

Amen.

SPEAKER_08 50:12

Even we even as you know in our sinful conditions, God tells us to not live according to that or to the flesh, but to live according to the spirit and the fruit of the spirit, etc. etc. So there's a real clear distinction and a line in the sand here, right? That sin is a big problem. Different sins can. If you're angry, you punch someone or you step over the line. Yes, it can. If you're if you're on drugs and you lose your reality for a moment, drugs does open the door. Cannabis, weed, hash, right? Do you know a lot of people in Hinduism smoke hash? Because they believe, right? The gurus, some I believe it's Hinduism, right? Some of the gurus believe, right, that a lot of hash smoking, right, opens the spiritual eyes and the dimension, right? And that they can see more. And then we smoke hash and and uh oh, it goes on and on, Israel. It goes on and on.

SPEAKER_02 51:07

Oh, powerful. Well, you somebody Caleb has said I have privately messaged you, Apostle Lawrence. So be expecting a direct message. You you seem to be gaining some some people to come your way there. So exorcism. We we I mean we we've seen buses, the red buses here in London saying the exorcist, you know, but they're not talking about the exorcism that we do in church, are they? They are talking about the ghosts and genius and things like that.

SPEAKER_08 51:44

No, a lot of a lot of that is Hollywood nonsense, right?

SPEAKER_02 51:47

Right, okay, so just to get it out there, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 51:49

Just to try and get yeah, it's entertainment and stuff, right? And you know, you don't see people turning their head around like an owl and all this kind of stuff and trying to spit at you, right? It's more, it's more head-on and it's more in your face. I've seen I've seen the new film, right? What was it? The Pope's Exorcist, right? I believe it was, right? I watched that and I thought the film, in a sense, was quite good. But you know, there's nothing like in tasting exorcism for yourself. And those of you who are watching, if you haven't had deliverance and exorcism, you most probably do need it. I believe every person needs it, right? Because the whole of humanity is fallen. And you know, there's a question here, right? Well, if you got saved, good for you. Do you have Jesus Christ's knife? Yes, praise God, good for you. They say, I'm a Christian, I haven't got a devil. Be quiet. That's an absolute lie. You need deliverance. Everyone needs deliverance, as far as I'm concerned, right? And the church, because the church has gone away from it, right? People are left in their own problems.

SPEAKER_02 52:48

I I agree with you. I think the church has moved away from a lot of the blueprint. Terrible, yeah, terrible. The blueprint of the Bible has been erased from the church. Yeah, and so we have a lot of issues. We have we have people that are teaching Sunday school with mental, proper mental health issues. Yeah, I'll be sitting there thinking, Lord, how does it work? How does it function? This person clearly needs deliverance, but the the church is not doing it. I'll tell you something real quick. I went to a church once upon a time, and while I was there, and I'm just, you know, minding, you know, apostolic business, you go to a church to just sit and to just hear what they preach and what's happening and all of that. And suddenly two people in that church started to manifest like not quietly, like real loud that it caused a disturbance, but the the leaders in the church did not move. Yeah, an inch, they didn't move.

SPEAKER_09 53:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:49

And my my my thinking was, is it because they don't know how to deal with this situation? Yeah, or they're just pretending not to notice, but it was so loud that you couldn't have missed it. So what is our problem in the church there?

SPEAKER_08 54:06

Have you thought, right, that maybe those ministers themselves, right, that you needed deliverance themselves and they had no idea what to do? Right. If I was there, uh I would have got off that stage or whatever it was, I would have gone down to that individual and I would have told them to shut up. I would have put my authority down and told that spirit to shut up, right? To quieten it down. I might have if if if I was there and I had people who are trained in deliverance, maybe at that time I would have taken them to a side room to get them out of the way and do a private deliverance session in the side room. We what we need to do, we need to get back to deliverance and inner healing. Because a lot of people are sick because they got demons, spirit of infirmity, all kinds of stuff in them, right? A lot of people are sick, but nobody wants to deal with the devil. And I thought that we had authority in Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_02 54:59

So somebody's watching and they say, okay, you are talking about all this deliverance. By the way, I did jump, I did jump at it and I and I dealt with those two demonic demoniacs. And it was it was not fun, but it had to be done. You know, sometimes when you're visiting, you just think, well, it's it doesn't look appropriate for me to do this, but I just felt, you know what, I'm Apostle Israel, I don't care what people think, I'm just gonna jump in and do it. So I'm not very popular about that, but you sound like me.

SPEAKER_08 55:26

I'm not very popular in some ways as well, but never mind.

SPEAKER_02 55:29

Hallelujah, hallelujah. Well, we've got Samantha Lee Samuel says, Greetings from South Africa. Thank you for joining us. Praise the Lord.

SPEAKER_09 55:38

Amen, amen.

SPEAKER_02 55:39

Right. So now you someone's watching and saying, Apostle Lawrence, you're talking about all this deliverance and exorcism. Well, I want to come to be in person with you and have deliverance. How do I do it? Where do I go? We've got about five minutes left.

SPEAKER_08 55:54

All right, well, look, I run a church called Revival Ministries London in North London. All right, it's in Edmonton, North London. The postcode is N182JQ. Those of you who heard that quickly, or you can write it down, right? You're welcome to come to the church. I'd like to say this as well, right? We don't charge for deliverance. A lot of people, right? I don't charge a penny for nothing. Freely you receive, freely you give, right? I'm not like that. I'm an old school preacher, and all this charging for this, charging for that. I mean, it infuriates me, right? So you are welcome to come to the ministry, but remember this, right? RML Church is not just a deliverance ministry. This is a church with a deliverance angle on it, all right? And sometimes we have to make arrangements to do a private session, all right? That is possible, but the person has to possibly pay for the hire of the room. If we have to hire somewhere, they have to pay for it. Or I can do online deliverance, online deliverance or Zoom. Possibly there's other ways of doing online. But if possible, I'd like people to give a donation of some kind, all right? To cover charges or whatever it is, make some kind of donation. That's up to them how much it is, but it's up to them. But coming for deliverance to myself is not a problem. But remember, I'm just one guy. My wife does deliverance as well, she's trained in it, and we train the people in our church as well to do deliverance, and some of them are well versed in what happens as we do because they actually assist us. But yeah, no, you can come to the church. Not a problem. Not a problem.

SPEAKER_02 57:31

Powerful, powerful. And your church is you your church is at what time on the Sunday, or do you have a it starts at 2:30, it runs till about 4:30.

SPEAKER_08 57:40

It used to go for a little bit longer than that, right? But at the minute, we're till about 4:30. We we meet in what's called the dining hall of Brainham Primary School in Edmonton, North London. It's very easy to find. The postcode is N182JQ. All right, and uh, if people want to contact me, they can, and we'll take it from there. But yeah, if you need deliverance, listen to this program and take some insight and some instruction in from the things that you've already heard.

SPEAKER_02 58:10

Amen. This has been such a powerful, powerful, very powerful, you know. I think I'm going to have you come back, Apostle Lawrence. Would you come back?

SPEAKER_08 58:19

Of course I would. I'm only gonna come back just to see you.

SPEAKER_02 58:23

Praise the Lord, and the people will be blessed for you coming to see me while you talk to them about deliverance. Hallelujah. Praise God. So I'm gonna ask you to pray us out. And is there any last words you want to say to people at this point?

SPEAKER_08 58:38

Yeah, I wanna. It's called Revival Ministries London. Someone's just asked, Revival Ministries London or RML Church. That's what it is, and this church is was started. This church was told the Lord told me to start this church, so it's not a self-promoted church. This is God's church because he told me to start it. So I just want to put that there. Let me pray and Heavenly Father, Lord, we so thank you, Lord God, Father, for the audience and for the people who have interacted with their comments, with their questions. Lord, even just to say, praise the Lord, we thank you for each of them, Lord. And I pray that, Lord God, that at least some of what I've said makes sense, Lord. Yes, and that people can listen to it and realize that they might need deliverance, Lord, and that problems they're going through might be because they actually need deliverance. The things they think about or battle with in their mind is not just because it's there, it's because they need deliverance. And I think, Lord, people need to realize that deliverance and inner healing exorcism is a very, very vital tool that is needed in the church today to set people free. Lord God, thank you for Apostle Israel for doing this channel and for hosting and bringing, Lord, many ministers online, Lord, to be a blessing to others. I pray that this live stream, this broadcast will really bless and benefit people. That Lord, it will be an eye-opener, and that Lord God, that people will realize today, hey, look, it's time to get back to this integral part of the good news and of the gospel in Jesus' name. Amen.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:22

Amen and amen. Praise the Lord. We have ex we have gone up to an hour now, and it's Mark Ian Brislin from Germany. He says, Hello, Israel. I was in Dresden last night at the healing rooms, and I had to do an administration on a Catholic lady who had been involved in 20 to 30 different dark spiritual things. Oh my goodness. All I can tell you, Mark, is that thank goodness I wasn't there with you while you were dealing with this thing. Hallelujah. Praise the praise the Lord. But it's a good thing that we have got ministers out there that are doing deliverance and are actually, you know, doing the work that God has called us to do. It's not all guilt and glam, as many people would think it is. It is actually getting our hands, our hands dirty in fasting and praying often, as Apostle Paul would say, in that is in order that we would be able to actually be used by God to deliver people, whether it's healing emotionally, healing, physically, healing and everything. And I think next time you come back, I want to talk about cancer. I want to talk about cancer because I believe in that session, when we do talk about it, there'll be a lot of people who are going to be healed from cancer. Because once people understand what cancer really is, because I've been doing my own research regarding cancer spiritually, you know, and what the Bible has to say about demonic spirits that bring about things like this. And with your angle of deliverance, I believe that when people listen to it right there like this, they will be healed and they will have that spirit gone in the mighty name of Jesus. So, once again, ladies and gentlemen, I just want to say thank you all for watching. Don't forget to share it, even after it's finished. There was a lot of nuggets that Apostle Lawrence, you know, dished out on this platform. And I want to thank Apostle Lawrence for joining me today. And for those of you, I'll see you next week on Let's Talk About Healing at exactly 3 p.m. God bless you. And Apostle Lawrence, I'll see you in the backstage. No problem.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:16

That's very on. Bye bye now.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:23

Prepare for healing.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:37

One in Jesus glorified.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:46

Let's talk about.