Join Mick and Dave along with Venetian Plasterer Mr Kevin Byrne + a 80's Trivia Quiz

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Join Mick and Dave along with special guest Venetian Plasterer Mr Kevin Byrne for another cracking episode of The Plasterers Podcast: The Mick & Dave Show!

This one has a bit of everything…
🔥 Venetian plastering chat
😂 Plenty of laughs and site banter
🎵 An 80’s trivia quiz that will test your memory
🍺 Stories, opinions and the usual load of bollocks!

If you grew up in the 80’s, worked on the tools, or just enjoy listening to real tradesmen talking honestly and having a laugh, this episode is for you.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:46

Hey Nick, how are you? Well not four. How are you? I'm good, mate. I'm good. Looking forward to tonight's show. What we got what we got going? What? What the fucking hell? What the fuck are we? Oh I mean. Go on. I'm gonna think you've got it written down somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:09

I've lost it. That's what I went on.

SPEAKER_02 1:13

He's lost his piece of bloody paper for fuck's sake.

SPEAKER_03 1:17

Have luck on it, too. Have we got it? We are getting an introduction to Venetian Blaster by uh one of our good friends, Mr. Kevin Byrne.

SPEAKER_02 1:28

Really? That'll be a good one. Fantastic. Have we hotels going on?

SPEAKER_03 1:33

Yeah, we have, haven't we? Guess what?

SPEAKER_02 1:36

Go on. Found me a piece of paper. Well, bloody hell fighting is half a chance now. We might we might have to get a show going now. Hang on, we should pick it up with an organization. Total chaos. Yeah, well, it's gotta be in it.

SPEAKER_03 1:50

Anyway, we're having a little change from our music quiz format. And we're gonna do an 80s quiz. All right. Like a trivia type of thing.

SPEAKER_02 2:04

Oh all right. Oh brilliant. And guess what's back? I didn't hear that. What did you say? Guess what's back? What's back? I've no idea. Oh yeah. Brilliant. So it's got a big show. So let's let's waste no time and get on with it. Well, this evening we'd like to introduce well, Kev again, Kev Byrne, Mr. Kev Byrne. It's the second time he's been with us. Top guy. Tonight he's gonna talk to us about Venetian plastering. Do we need Venetian plastering? Do you use it and how do you do it? So Kev, can you give us a bit of information about you know you your you know you what you do to your Venetian plastering? How much work do you get? And you know, is it worthwhile doing and learning?

SPEAKER_01 3:21

Yeah, so the Venetian plastering side of my skills came about a little bit by accident. And I'd heard of it. Uh it's probably talking about maybe 15 years ago when I first had heard about it, but I was teaching over at Kirklees, as I've mentioned before, and my line manager Johnny, he he's a plasterer, and he'd he'd done a bit of it. Basically, he'd been on this course a few years previously with a guy from Bury. Uh and this lad from Bury, John Boyle, he uh he'd moved out of his back double back garage and got himself a little unit in Haywood, not too far from where you were teaching, Mick now.

SPEAKER_09 4:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

What he did, he bought an old pub and he converted the pub to living accommodation. But the downstairs of the pub he made it into a training centre for Venetian. So my my mate, because he'd trained with him previously, they had an open day. And Johnny, my line manager, sent me a link. He said, There's an open day over here near you. He said, I can't make it. He said, You fancy going having a look at it? And it was on a Saturday. So I did, so I just rocked up, I didn't pre-book it. Well, it was an open day anyway. Went in and met John, lovely, lovely man. Showed me around the studio, showed me what what they were doing. I wasn't I loved the finishes. There's a plethora of finishes you can do with Venetian, and then I'll talk you through the Microsoft side of things that came afterwards. And I was pretty impressed with it. Uh so I had a little play around with some stuff. Big transition going from a midget trowel from a 17-inch skimming trowel and floating trowel. Yeah, yeah. So it was a big transition. So yeah, you've got transferable skills, but you have to hone them skills back. You're going from doing massive big strokes to tiny small strokes to uh build up what you're trying to do, certainly with the polished plaster, which is what Venetian bases itself on. So the materials, that's what you can find out. So I had a lot of practice, I was interested, then I got in touch with him and I and I booked myself on a three-day course with him. So that's how it started for me. And you start a little practice board because they're only small practice boards, but it gives you a feel for the materials and the the how you mix the materials and add the colours because there's lots of different colours you can put in there. I know that we've got the primary colours, but you can do all sorts with them.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

So just interrupt you, mate. Do you can you buy the stuff pre-mixed colours? Or do you like you say?

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Yeah, no, you can't. Some do that. This is what transitioned after us. So, yeah, because there's a few suppliers out there, and I've I've been on quite a few courses. But it started with John, John Boyle, great, great bloke, a very skilled man, painter and decorator original. Come from a painting background, but he got into all this Venetian stuff a long time before anybody else, certainly in the Northwest. Yeah, so so all it is, it's it's it's the polished plaster, it's just lime putty. So you buy it as the same as pure lime putty, and you add your colours into it, and again, you're building up very, very thin layers when you do it, and so again, it's it's the total opposite of what you're used to as a as a spread. Yeah, so you're building up small layers, very thin, less less than 0.5 mil thickness as you build it up. So yeah, you're spreading paint more or less, a little bit thick thicker than paint. But once you get your first coat on, you get a bit of suction on it, then if you leave it a few hours or certainly leave it overnight, so then you could sort of build on it from there. And you're looking at short, very short strokes, but going in a random way. It's it you you tend to when you first start doing it, you tend to go the same way where you're not getting the pattern and the colour texture that you're looking for. If you've seen any polished plastic ones, you want to see the truck, you want to see the trial marks, not chattering, you don't want to see chattering, and you don't want to see stab marks where you're trying stabbed, so it's very, very fluent. So you get used to uh moving through it, and basically you build it up, and uh and a full covering, even on your practice boards or when you want to full walls, will be thickness-wise, will be no more than 1.5 mil. So you your background has got to be top quality, which is good for us as spreads, because the painters who come in they don't have the transferable skills like us, so we can get paid twice often. If the walls are in poor shape, we can PVA and skim, or stick some boards on and skim it up and go onto a nice flat surface. Plus, the other thing you can charge a normal rate for plastering, but because you're covering it afterwards, you don't need to drow it up, just get it nice and flat. So that's fair, but yeah, yeah. So you can so you as as spreads, we can get two payments out of a lot of jobs.

SPEAKER_03 8:23

So it's that what's it like for keying off then, Kev? On a basic bong standard finished wall. What do you mean, keying off? As in, and do you need to keep PVA cracking on the right?

SPEAKER_01 8:35

Yeah, well, you're right. The same rules apply like they would for painters and like wood for us. Yeah, preparation about your end is everything, especially it's unforgiving with it being so thin. So they have their own, they have their own primers and PVAs and stuff like that. So you come with a full package for everything, so there might be there might be six, six or seven processes to go through, which is one reason why it's expensive. You can't always finish on the same day. So and you're not you're generally not doing five walls at a time, they tend to be feature walls. So you can spend four three, four hours at one at one place, and then you've got to go away till the day after and let it dry before you can apply your next ones, generally speaking, and then you've got a whole kit that goes around that, so as well as your small trowels, you it's soon easy to pick up how to do the mixings and stuff, because like I say, it's it's pure lime putty, and you buy your colours and you can add what colours you want yourself and mix that up. Some companies do it, you can have it pre-mix, they've got a very much like your painting machines. So if you see in the paint, have you seen the painting machines where they do the colour add-ins for the for the TC 15s, you know, the thin coat renders. Yeah, it's just the same as that. They're doing the same with the colours like they do on the TC 15s and thin coat renders.

SPEAKER_03 9:56

So basically pumped into it, aren't they?

SPEAKER_01 10:00

Yeah, they have a mixing machine which is expensive, but you can mix it yourself. The only thing about mixing it yourself is you've it's got to be a thorough mix because you don't want it raspberry pulls and stuff like that. Yeah. So it can take a little bit longer when you're adding yourself, but you're not more in control. And obviously, with it being a lion putty, it doesn't set, it sets like line would do. So you can build it up over, you know, you're not under pressure, you're not, you're not under setting time pressures. So you can you can get what you need to do and come back another day. Try and get another court on the same day, which on a big wall is doable. Uh you start at the top, and by the time you get to the other end, you've got some suction at the other end. But sometimes you might only get one court on on smaller areas and then you've got to go away. Worst thing you can do is try and build up, you know, try and rush it. Yeah, so but preparing background make like yes, uh, they've got different different preparations for different surfaces, but generally speaking, they will will be very similar to a PVA with a very, very, very fine grit in it. Yeah, and you would apply that and you can paint that on or roller it, let it go off. That little bit of grit gives it that key. So you first call when you've got a technically, it's not like uh you know the PVA and grit, it's it's very, very fine. You can feel it when you rub your hand on it, it feels a little bit like light sandpaper, that gives it a great key. But when you've got to use use it with the grit in it, then you're probably looking at four coatings already because your first go up, you first caught over with your line putty, it sticks on the on the sand like it would do, and then the second coat covers it, and then you don't hit the sticks, and you can get your bit on stuff like that. So yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's just if you're a spread and you're interested, it's it's like when we all first started doing the rendering. It's you know how to plaster, it's product knowledge. Just a job. The only way you can go, yeah, the only way you can go and find out how these materials work is get your elbows deep and have a go. Yeah, uh, like we we all had to do with the rendering. I mean, how many times early on when we were entering with scraped scrape textures and think or renders? You don't have to get into the big gable end, do you? You do it, you do it again as well for you.

SPEAKER_03 12:18

I always I always hated the monikush, always have done. Yeah. And it's not because I can't do it, because I can. I just don't like giving. Yeah, I just don't like him. Yeah. I don't like the material, I don't like the finish. So I'd I'd rather go down the thin coat route. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Thin coat's pretty pretty easy steady way, and you you're getting the same aren't you all the way through. The only downside of that is you're dodging, you're dodging the weather with the uh with the silicon, yeah. With with the thin coat, whereas at least did you get a bit of an autumnal day and you can get same-day scrape on a on a couche. At least you know you're going to finish it that day.

SPEAKER_09 12:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:57

Uh with monica, with the thin courts, it's like. Again, it's knowing the products, isn't it? So the niche is very much the same, knowing the products. So I did that with with John and with him being close to me, 25 minutes from my house, maybe at that. I struck up a good relationship and friendship with him. And he was the man to go to, definitely. His knowledge was massive, and he was always happy to help you. He was selling the products as well, to be fair. So it was in his interest to have a good relationship with people.

SPEAKER_02 13:26

Is it plenty of work?

SPEAKER_01 13:28

Kevin, is it plenty of work? Uh well, you've got to push it, it's very niche. You've got to push it, and I haven't really pushed it because I've always had to be busy teaching, busy plastering, rendering, and then fitting a bit of a bit of Venetian in in between. And you've got a lot of work to put in. Somebody asks, somebody ring you up for a Venetian job. Right, what do you want? All right, well, I want this wild and feature or what colours do you want? Right, I want these colours, so you can't just go and do it. You've got to spend time. So you need yourself a little workshop as well. You want to spend time doing sample boards, and you go back, you'll you'll do two or three sample boards. Right, right. Well, look, you go back and do again, but you soon learn on that. I used to do loads of sample boards, me and and include it in my price, and then sometimes at the end they go, Oh no, I'm not sure if I want it done. And you could spend 150 quid doing sample boards and not convert it into a job, you know what I mean? Yeah, could you not? So, what you learn there quickly is that if you're going to do sample boards, could you not charge it? If you're going to buy the buy the materials, you've got to buy the sample boards, and you've got to supply the materials and your time to be to produce sample boards. Yeah. So you quickly learn. So I used to charge 35 quid a board, sample boards, and what I'd said to the client was, I'll do as many sample boards as you want, but I will charge you 35 pounds per board. However, if you place an order, I will take that off uh your orders. But obviously, obviously, I still put those nine boards on the price of the job before I did it, so I was still getting it, but yeah, yeah, yeah. You hide that within the price. Uh but at least you've had a conversation. If you produce seven sample boards and then it doesn't convert to an order, they have to pay you for the sample boards. Because you spent your time stuffing. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, some clients don't say like that though, Dave. Yeah, I'm huge.

SPEAKER_03 15:21

You should have these sample words in the colours already. Well, you're not going to do that because everybody wants to be able to do it. You don't know what colours are going to want.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

No, you can check and give them an idea and say, Oh, I love that finish, but can you do it in such and such a colour? Or can you buy two colours? Or can you put me a bit of gold leaf in it? Can you put me some veining in it? Which I'm getting a bit technical and stuff to her, but you pick all this up as you go along, and minimum, depending on what you're doing, you're looking at£100 a square metre. Yeah, and it's pretty light work, it's very light work. I I did a job four or five years ago for a mate of mine who's a builder, and he has his own plasters and renders. It's a good friend of mine, but I've never done his plastering. And they're good plasters and renders, and they were rendering the outside of this building, and I think they were charging 2,700 something like that, for labour only, to be fair. Word of draft, five of them on it, so you have five wages coming out of that. I went in and did while they did the rendering, I did three three bispo walls in different rooms, spent a lot less than they did on materials, and I'd I probably walked away with seven or eight hundred quid more than that whole operation, what theirs was, and I didn't get a sweats on. And they were taking piss out of me, oh look at your liquor, ooh, and as I walked out, I went, Oh, look at all this money I've got in my pocket. That's my blood, loads of money. He's on phone to me. How do you get into that, Kevin? And that might just are. I told him where to go. He never followed through with it, to be honest with you. No, but you've got some lads dedicating themselves to it and they're doing okay. There's a few local lads, and then they usually, if they dedicate themselves to it, they usually open up their own workshop and and start doing a bit of training themselves, which is fair enough. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:14

I'm gonna say I've I've seen more more of these little workshops cropping up and advertisements for it than I ever I've ever seen before.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

Yeah. I've done a couple of sessions uh through Fe contacts where I've gone in and done train the trainer days. I went to Leeds with Wayne and I went to uh Wigan and Lee when Michael was there. He's working for Kendony, and I did a couple of training, train the trainer days there, and uh, you know, I've got to be a bit of decent money for that. But it I didn't push it, I could have gone all through my college contacts and and and offered my services, but I was just too I've never really pushed it, so I don't know whether that's more fooled me or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 17:53

It depends on what you're happy with, doesn't it? Yeah, if you're happy just doing the little bits of your five time, then yeah, fair cool.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

And the other the other thing with that, Mick, is it's not usually on your doorstep, so you've got if you're one doing two such two random walls in bloody toother side of Birmingham. Are you driving it down every day? Are you going to charge you for digs? Knowing that you can't do a full wall in one day, you might have to go back three times. So that all comes into your price, you know. If you've got to pay for digs, your time, your materials, masking up, masking up is huge part of it. That's a skill in its own. If you've not, you know, if you're not a payer, the painters are always killers on the masking up because they're so good at it, they've got more patience. So you've got to learn that is a huge skill that when you're masking up, you know, putting masking tape around the edges and getting clean, very clean. Yeah. Yeah. So you can and then the next thing to buy with your your toolkit is you've got to buy you've got to buy a buffing machine, you've got to buy sanding machines, you've got to buy all the pads, you've got all the associated tools that you need to go with it, which are massive loads of them. So you've got an old new toolkit that you never that you can't use for plastering, but you use it for your Venetian stuff. Yeah. Not cheap, so just like a decent sanding machine that you can double up as your as your polishing machine as well. I have a I went, I'm one of them me, I I go in for the deer stuff, so because I know it'll last. So when I needed a sanding machine and a polisher, I went for Fest Tool, which is a VAC as well. So, you know, you can spend 1300 quid on a on a on a good sanding machine and stuff like that, all your trousers and stuff. You easily you're easily into five, six, seven grand when you when you get into it properly, but you're gonna get it back from your first few jobs, aren't you? Then after that, well that's it, and it's like it's not allowed to buy the spray machine's for render, isn't it? You know, all the time. Go spend 10 grand on the machine because you're getting your money back.

SPEAKER_03 19:47

Well, the the crazy thing with that is it it's like I've sprayed Thinco and I don't like the finish. Yeah, but you can spray it and you can still flatten it with uh with floating.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

But it's just yeah, I I prefer the floor finish. Yeah, I've sprayed finish, even with the Rafiner setup, which is easy. You don't need a 10 grand machine for that. The laser was the monocution of the 10 grand machines. I've got the full Rafina setup for spraying uh 800 quid uh with with everything with the hopper and everything.

SPEAKER_03 20:14

Uh I buy basically what bought the compressor for the airline and um hopper and guns.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:22

And I think it came in at less than 300 quid.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

Yeah, because you you want to bought the Rafina uh no.

SPEAKER_03 20:29

Yeah, I didn't buy the Rafina compressor because I'm sure whether I was gonna take to it or not.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

Yeah, you can buy a good compressor for 180 quid, can't you? That's perfectly good enough, yeah. Yeah. The thing what I like about the spray inside of it, Mick, is that you can stop and start and you can repair seamlessly. If you put if you're hand applying with those renders, you've got to break your day, it's gotta dry in the day. You've got to if you're on a big elevation, you've got to keep your wet edges as you're drop in between the scaffolds because you don't want that. You know the damn thing about that, don't you? But if you're spraying, it's a million times quicker. And if you if you don't finish it that day, go back the day after. You've got to be happy with the terrarium finish, can't you? Because essentially it's a terrine finish.

SPEAKER_03 21:20

It is, and that's what I don't talk about.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

Yeah, yeah. But that's personal preference, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 21:25

Yeah, and it is it's like a lot of the lads that I taught from apprentices have now gone into spraying it. And they love it.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Yeah, courses for courses. Again, just show show the client what they want, or sometimes if you just want to spray it, just tell them that's the only finish that they've got. Exactly. It's just bonkers. So going back to the venture So I did that and then you start looking down, you're on social media, you're seeing all sorts of stuff, and you drill into it a little bit. So I got an opportunity. Actually through college, through Johnny at college. Oh, this was alright like this, but it was good for us. So don't ask me how we managed it, but we managed to get four of us, one painter, Johnny our curriculum manager, and me and the other plaster in the lecture from Kent Lee's. We got the college to pay for us to go for five days and do training in a place called Leggi in Italy. Wow. What a fucking job for that. Oh rendering. It was a brilliant, brilliant course. Such lovely people. All the suppliers of these materials are all supplying the same stuff, just put in their own name. But a bit like the rendering materials, you've got eight or nine different companies doing render, the Venetian is very much the same. And they're all pushing their products, and it's right enough. So we went to Italy for five days, they put us up, but all we had to pay for were the flights, and the college paid for the flights. There's no presence in Europe, and there's certainly no presence in the UK. And there's a good reason for this. And again, it's a very much uh it's uh an Italian thing and an English thing. So the example I'll give you, if somebody said first three, whatever age we are now, even now, if somebody said first three, listen, six weeks working Milan doing some renders, we can't we haven't got anybody to do it. I'm gonna pay you good money, will you come over and and it doesn't matter what what your missing says, does it? Because you're going. If she's going to say, what about this? You're going, aren't you? And you're going to work hard and you're going to get the job done, but you're going to play hard while you're there. Because you're right. Flip that on his head and and look at it from a Venetian point of view. So the suppliers in Italy would say we've got a six-week contract in a hotel in Mayfair in London.

SPEAKER_09 23:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

And they'll go to the Italian lads. We're going to send you over there for six weeks. You won't see your families, you don't get home at weekends, you get the job done, we're going to pay you fantastic money. What do the Italians say? Won't go. Because they want to stay at home with their families. And they're not interested in doing what we do when we work away. So the companies in Italy will pay sometimes for your flights as well, they'll pay you to go over and do product training on their products, and then they've got a presence in Europe, they've got applicators then in the UK. So they start then trying to get work within the UK to sell their products, and then they'll use their nominated contractors. Not that I've ever got anything off that because I've never pushed it, but that's generally how it works. So they'll look after you, put you up in nice accommodation, feed, feed you, look after you grandly. And these people in lecture, they were absolutely amazing, lovely, lovely people. And we had a great we did work hard and we did do the training. And then we have used their products a bit, but it gets a bit hard for when there's got no real presence in the UK, you you're paying to get a chip. Whereas it's just easier for me to go to 20 minutes away to John Boyle and use his materials, if you know what I mean. I've been three times to Italy and you meet some good people when you're doing the training, but it it's pretty much same. They're trying to sell it is just something different, but the products basically are the same. That some of the companies come up with, but then the other companies will catch up very quickly. One of the things that I caught on a while ago was the metal finish, the metal polish finishes. And again, absolutely amazing finishes, great stuff to use with. And all you all you're doing is you're just putting powdered metal in with the mix. And and there's lots of different powdered metal. Chipping it in, and the the the metal that you had to put in with the mix, so you you it's still your lime putter. You put some metal powder in it, so you're putting bronze in, when you shine it up, it comes up bronze. If you put in aluminium in, it comes up aluminium. So they've got twelve different types of metal colourings, but they were charging it was it would have been cheaper. So I think seven hundred and fifty grams of metal through the Italians initially was coming in at something like ridiculous, about 140 quid for 750 grams, and you could on a full wall you could use five tubs. So it was really, really expensive. So just to have the metal in one wall was coming in at six and seven hundred quid initially. And guess what? I found somewhere in Middleton, which is literally in between Bury, I found this place, and they knew all the same metals plus more for 750 grams were coming in at something like 12, 13 quid. So I the Italian products, I could have bought cocaine cheaper than that, I reckon, and stuck that on my nose and had a good time. You can edit that bit out if you want, Dave, I don't lose less than things, but I don't do that. Honestly, I I like to have a drink, but I don't do drugs. So yeah, so I've been over a few times, learned the products, quite good, and I've done quite a lot of jobs, and I've made good money out of it, but I've never pushed it as hard as I should have done. Oh, brilliant. But it is good work. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

We tried it years ago, didn't we, Dave? Yeah, we we we weren't very good at it, were we? You know, we we we messed it down.

SPEAKER_03 27:45

Yeah, there won't be a first because I think we didn't really get the processes at the time. No because the tub turned up. And for want of a better wording, there was no instruction with it, it was just a case of have a go at this.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

I think I think I just bought some of that.

SPEAKER_01 28:03

That's why the product training, like anything else, is invaluable. You're not gonna walk away from the three, four, five days training, product training, and be an expert applicator, but you've got the knowledge. Yeah, the knowledge of how the product works, so then you go and have a play with it.

SPEAKER_03 28:17

Uh and you finish up with it. It's how we all started, isn't it? We all started having a play with a bit of sound and cement and moved on from there.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

You make you what happens with the Venetian stuff is your missus get sick of you uh turning what random walls in your house without asking permission. Yeah, it sounds about right. I don't like that. That's right, but so you practice on your own little walls. My Porch has got about uh had about 50 different applications in Porch because nobody's bothered with hand courts up in there.

SPEAKER_02 28:49

We're kind of running out of we're kind of running out of time now. So already you know, it's time to fly, it really does, Kev. You know, brilliant to have you on board. I'm coming back for part three then. We're talking point six we're not even trying to write markets, it's you know, we it's really good to have you on board. We're getting so many top people on board, Kev. It's unreal. And we did a research.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

I put your message on the congratulations, congratulations for that landmark that you've just done, guys. Oh, we're aiming for 20 we're aiming now.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

We're now 50,000 five years. Yeah, we're aiming for a year.

SPEAKER_03 29:34

Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_02 29:35

We we found out, Kev, this is the most listened to podcast purely for plastering across the United Kingdom and the USA. Is how's that? It's not in real isn't like you said.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

You will always get in the hair to matter.

SPEAKER_02 29:55

We can't generally call about the knobs, the ones that can't be happy.

SPEAKER_03 30:07

And a touch of jealousy jumps in as well, which is always fun.

SPEAKER_02 30:10

Of course it is. Absolutely. But uh yeah, so Kev.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

What are you doing, but you're still happy to retire?

SPEAKER_02 30:18

I'll never retire, mate. Bloody hell fight, we're on writing a book at moments, aren't we? Which is gonna be coming out at Christmas. Oh, yeah, I've said that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

So so we we're on your I hope you bought as as good a best-selling art as I was.

SPEAKER_02 30:37

We'll be worldwide. I think colleges bought it. We don't do things by half. So yeah, I'm on my whole source, I never stop. Never stop. I'm doing my second knobby gardening, I sell all the gardening gear, grow plants, sell them on and stuff like that. What do you do at my age? You're back in FE lad, killing it.

SPEAKER_03 30:58

Keep your eyes open because there might be a slot going up very in the next year or so. Well, you never know, I mean when Paul calls it quits.

SPEAKER_01 31:06

Yeah, maybe. Maybe. I'm not sure if I if I if I can cope with all the wraparound bullshit with FE. That's that's that's my only money's good.

SPEAKER_03 31:16

I'll be honest with you, that was my my worry. But I don't have cops for any of it at the minute.

SPEAKER_01 31:22

Right, that's good. Yeah, all the admin used to do me a day. I don't mind marking wrenching and doing normal stuff, but when they're coming at you with all sorts of rubbish admin, that's not your job, but it should be an admin person's job.

SPEAKER_03 31:33

Yeah, it's like we've got to do the so-called appearance, but it's mm.

SPEAKER_02 31:38

We'll just have to say goodbye to Kev now because we're gonna run out of time. So thanks for coming on board. Let's meet you again in a few more months. I'll do part three. Yep.

SPEAKER_06 31:51

Sounds good to me. I'm gonna play some music for you right now. Here we go.

SPEAKER_02 35:19

What a knowledgeable man he is. He knows it all, he's a fantastic person to have on board, and he's so knowledgeable.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

Only drawback is he comes to the mold on one way, doesn't he? Well, I don't guess we've all got a cross to be.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

Well, yeah, and his support's rugby league, but never mind. Never mind. Some I say, well, crosses to me, but never mind. Right, so that's interview our way. Let's get on with quiz. What do you reckon? Yeah, I record. Right, I'm passing you over to our resident quiz master, the magical Mick. Away you go. So, eighty's truly a quiz.

SPEAKER_03 36:33

Let's hit this hard. Question one. Which music television channel launched in nineteen eighty one? Question two? Which arcade game featured a yellow character eating dots? Question four. What was the name of the nineteen eighty two film about a friendly alien stranded on Earth? Question five, which pop star was known as the king of pop? Question six, which video game console was released by Nintendo in the nineteen eighties? Question seven. What colorful toy cube became a worldwide craze in the nineteen eighties? Question eight. Which nineteen eighty five charity concert was organized by Bob Geldoff and Midge Yore? Question nine. Which movie featured the line I'll be back? Question ten. What was the name of the Berlin Barrier that began falling in nineteen eighty-nine? Question eleven. Which female singer released the hit song Like a Virgin in nineteen eighty-four? Question twelve. Which action film starred Tom Cruise as a fighter pilot maverick? Question thirteen. Which handheld music device became hugely popular in the nineteen eighties? Question fourteen. Which toy line featured robots that could transform into vehicles? Question fifteen. Which space shuttle exploded shortly after launch in nineteen eighty six? Question sixteen? Which band sang the nineteen eighty five hit Take On Me? Question seventeen. Which nineteen eighties TV series featured the characters Blanche, Dorothy, Rose and Sophia. Question eighteen. Which computer company introduced the Macintosh in nineteen eighty four? And question ninety, which boxer became the youngest heavyweight champion in history in nineteen eighty six? Which famous dance movie starred Patrick Swayze and Jenica Gray. As you've noticed, we've no bonus question this week.

SPEAKER_02 43:34

No, that's basically it's just a trivia quiz. If you want to listen to our music quiz, we have the Mick and Dave's load of bottles music quiz. We're up about four episodes now. If you want to if you enjoyed the quizzes, I'll tune on. I'll tune into that. I think we should. You read the question and I'll read the answer.

SPEAKER_03 44:01

So, question one, we asked which music television channel launched in 1981. The music channel was called MTV. Question two, we asked who was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom for most of the 1980s? Yeah, they loved her in Rator.

SPEAKER_02 44:21

It was a Margaret Thatcher.

SPEAKER_03 44:24

I know where I stand. Question three. Which arcade game featured a yellow character eating dots?

SPEAKER_02 44:35

The one and only Pac-Man. God, I hated that game.

SPEAKER_03 44:40

Question four. What was the name of the 1982 film about a friendly alien stranded on the guy who always have to fall in home?

SPEAKER_02 44:51

I got his own bloody mobile phone then days. He was E.T. E.T. extraterrestrial. Question five. Which pop star was known as the king of pop? That pop star was Michael Jackson, very popular in the 80s.

SPEAKER_03 45:08

Question six. Which video game console was released by Nintendo in the 1980s?

SPEAKER_02 45:16

That video console actually was called the Nintendo Entertainment System. Simplistic, really. But if you said NES.

SPEAKER_03 45:25

You're if you said if you said NES, we'll accept it.

SPEAKER_02 45:30

Yeah, go on.

SPEAKER_03 45:32

Question seven. What colourful toy cube became a worldwide craze in the 1980s?

SPEAKER_02 45:41

Oh, God's favor, the Ruby Cube. Never m never sus that. Never sus that.

SPEAKER_03 45:47

I didn't tell me it was easy. You just take the bloody stickers off.

SPEAKER_02 45:51

I think that's the way you bloody well do it.

SPEAKER_03 45:54

Question eight. Which 1985 charity concert was organized by Bob Geldoff amid Jordan?

SPEAKER_02 46:03

Oh, the one and only live aid. What a day that were. Absolutely superb. Oh, Queen, fantastic. You ever get a chance to see Queen? They took they rune, they're cruel. Start again, they control the day. Absolutely phenomenal.

SPEAKER_03 46:20

Go on. I got offered a ticket for that and turned it down. You pilok. Exactly. Question nine, we asked which movie featured the line, I'll be back. I'll be back. The Terminator himself. Question 10. What was the name of the Berlin and barrier that began falling in 1989? Yeah, that was the Berlin Wall.

SPEAKER_02 46:48

Yeah, and the communism in Eastern Europe, between East and West Germany.

SPEAKER_03 46:54

Question 11. Which female singer released the hit song Like a Virgin in 1984? That was Madonna. And question 12. Which action film starred Tom Cruise as fighter pilot maverick?

SPEAKER_02 47:12

Oh, Top Gun, superb, absolutely superb. Iconic. If you get to see it's iconic. Iconic, and Top Gun too. Absolutely. Brilliant film. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 47:24

Question 13. What handheld music device became hugely popular during the 1980s?

SPEAKER_02 47:32

That was the Sony Walkman. Everybody had one, you know. Walter Cassette clean away there. Absolutely superb.

SPEAKER_03 47:41

Question 14. Which toy line featured robots that could transform into vehicles?

SPEAKER_02 47:50

Transformers, absolutely. Well, what what were you called? Come on, can you remember your name of any of them? No.

SPEAKER_03 47:57

Don't be silly, they're I was too busy. I was too busy being out playing football.

SPEAKER_02 48:02

All right, fair enough.

SPEAKER_03 48:05

Question 15. Artemis Prime. No, I'm ah yeah. Question 15. Which space shuttle exploded shortly after launch in 1986?

SPEAKER_02 48:21

Well that space shuttle with a challenger. 1986, yeah. Total disaster. Bloody hell, fire, what? Yeah, remembered by all.

SPEAKER_03 48:33

Question 16, which band sang the 1985 hit Take On Me? The band were called Ha Ha.

SPEAKER_02 48:43

I think they were from Norway. I might be wrong, but I'm all saying they were from Norway.

SPEAKER_03 48:48

Are you right? They were from Norway. Brilliant. Question 17. Which 1980s TV series featured the characters Blanche and Dorothy, Rose, and Sophia? The TV show was called The Golden Girls. Question 18. Which computer company introduced the Macintosh in 1984? The company was Apple.

SPEAKER_02 49:22

I'm never going to afford one of them.

SPEAKER_03 49:25

I never liked them. You know. Nope, hated them with a passion. Still do. Question 19. Which boxer became the youngest heavyweight champion in history in 1986? Mike Tyson. The one on the mighty mic. Question 20. Which famous dance movie starred Patrick Swayze and Jennifer Gray?

SPEAKER_02 49:57

It was a film for me and the ladies, and it was The Dirty Dancing. An absolute superb. You know, I really enjoyed that film too. Enjoy the music. That's the end of that quiz. So I hope you enjoyed it. And like I say, if you enjoy the quiz, you know, go and find the other podcast, the Mick and Dave Load of Balls Music quiz. We normally have 25 questions on that. Despite the hard and what we've had on the trivia quiz, and get an awful lot of feedback. People actually enjoy it. So that's the quiz out of the next, Mick. Is it wanker of the wind time?

SPEAKER_03 50:35

Oh yes.

SPEAKER_02 50:36

Right, okay. And again, spoil for choice. Well, we are, aren't we? Well, we are, he's really he's been on it more than we have. Oh dear me.

SPEAKER_03 50:50

Do you know what? I think at the end at the end of the year, we should just give it him and just say, look, you are the wanker of the year, never mind the week.

SPEAKER_02 50:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We should have like a trophy made up for him or something like that. Showing a penis or something like that, isn't it? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 51:07

That'd be an interesting one for him to open up, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_02 51:09

No, that'd be good, yeah. The wank of the week award. There you go, mate.

SPEAKER_03 51:16

But then again, you might use that for something else, given some of the stories that are coming out.

SPEAKER_02 51:21

Oh, yeah, God's sake, yeah, there's all kinds of crap. So are we going for the same, same as usual?

SPEAKER_03 51:28

I think it'd be rude not to, to be fair.

SPEAKER_02 51:30

Well, we'll go for sick here as normal.

SPEAKER_03 51:33

All right. Yeah. I'll tell you what though, Dave. Go on. We're gonna be knacking if he resigns, yeah. Oh my god, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:43

Oh, we don't want him to resign. Fuck you now. My god, we'll have to have a deal with someone else. Right, so yeah, one cool week.

SPEAKER_03 51:53

It's about the only thing he has one, though, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 51:55

To be fair, yeah, yeah. He appears on the show more than we do, like we say. It's regular, yeah. Oh dear me. Right.

SPEAKER_03 52:03

Well, I'm thinking of asking him if he'd like to appear as a guest.

SPEAKER_02 52:08

That'd be interesting, wouldn't it? Oh dear me.

SPEAKER_03 52:12

It'd be funny if nothing else. Oh, we're gonna. Here today we have the wanker of the year, Mr. Kearstarmer.

SPEAKER_00 52:21

Hey, I'm a wanker, I'm a wanker, and it does me good luck, it's me well, should I wanker, I'm a wanker, and I'm always putting my hood.

SPEAKER_02 52:32

Right, we're coming to oh, do you want to have an hero, Mick? Probably your Arsenal manager will be an hero of the week, won't he?

SPEAKER_03 52:41

No, I'm gonna be very controversial here. Extremely controversial. Go on. My hero of the week this week is three letters. V A R.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

You lucky bastard. That would a goal. That would have fucking goal that you behave yourself.

SPEAKER_03 53:08

There's more than one foul committed there. Arm across the shoulders, gripping the arm, and then another one behind him pulling the shirt.

SPEAKER_02 53:16

Oh boy, no, no, no, oh no, I'm sorry, mate. No, no, no, that was wrong.

SPEAKER_03 53:22

It were wrong, it says I don't give a shit what the BAR just because you support a shit team that are going nowhere, steal my glory.

SPEAKER_02 53:32

Look, we we won championship in 1995. So we did we did not that long ago. Not that long ago.

SPEAKER_03 53:43

95. Yeah, yeah. Let's look at it. What year we're on now. Oh 2026.

SPEAKER_02 53:54

30 years ago, something like that. Oh dear mate, yeah. Well, I've got to have a moment of glory, haven't I? Yeah, mighty. Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:05

Yeah, brilliant. Right, so I thought that would be very controversial controversial just for the sheer hell of it.

SPEAKER_02 54:12

Oh yeah, you know, it were a good one with that. They were, but uh oh yeah. I would achieve when that ball went in there. Yeah, they've done it, West Ham. What are they gonna do? Because like you, I I want Spurs to go down, you know what I mean? And bloody hell. And I thought, no, yeah, they've equalised, and I want City to win championship. Bloody hell, fine. No, I know you don't, but um you'll start castle.

SPEAKER_03 54:36

Right, um you're gonna get in now anyway. Unless you could. Do you know why I don't want him to win it this year? Well, go on. Because their total lack of sportsmanship is a joke. Yeah, go on. Yeah. What's your evidence? If if they they beat us, yeah. Stand up, yeah. They play better than us, they won. Yeah, yeah. So why do you have to go past the manager and go, ah, stay humble?

SPEAKER_02 55:07

Never mind.

SPEAKER_03 55:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:09

Never mind. Do you know what I mean? Well, that's what it is. There's no need for it. Oh, no.

SPEAKER_03 55:15

No need for it at all.

SPEAKER_02 55:18

So you're bitchy then.

SPEAKER_03 55:21

No, I'm not bitter. I just think the total lack of sportsmanship they've shown this year is a disgrace to football.

SPEAKER_02 55:30

Apart from that.

SPEAKER_03 55:34

Apart from that, I heard the wankers get fucking deducted 70 million points for all these 115 charges that have been outstanding for must be three years now. Yeah, it's not going out. It's not going down, really. And then Everton Everton get fined, points deducted off them. Yeah. But was it one forest have had the same? Or what? One, two?

SPEAKER_02 56:01

It ain't going down, is it?

SPEAKER_03 56:02

I just think it's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 56:04

It's not going to happen, is it? Seriously. It's not going to happen.

SPEAKER_03 56:08

Yeah. It'd be interesting to find out what they're gonna do, though.

SPEAKER_02 56:13

Well, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't think they'll get I don't think they'll deduct points, I really don't. They did it with ranges, didn't they? You know what I mean? Go you're going back a three year ago and they got sent ready back down, didn't they, Scotland? And they had to work the way all back up again. They did, thank goodness. Yeah. Well, that's where it is.

SPEAKER_03 56:30

Is it Chef is it Chef Wednesday or is it Chef United? That finished on zero points this year. Because of the deduction that they've had.

SPEAKER_02 56:38

Yeah, it'd be Chef Wednesday that, alright? Yeah. I think.

SPEAKER_03 56:42

So I do get rather annoyed at the fact that when we play, if we win and we play we grind the result out, we're boring. Yeah, yeah. If we play if we played the best football in the league and we finished second, we bottled it, I'm like, you know what? What do you want us to do? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 57:16

Well it is, where it is, mate.

SPEAKER_03 57:22

It just drives me nuts, but it was a bit of a sweet day for me because at the end of the day, I would like to see Spurs go down.

SPEAKER_02 57:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:33

So I did feel a bit guilty about robbing West Hammer through of at least a point.

SPEAKER_02 57:39

Well, yeah, they should have got a point. They should have got a point.

SPEAKER_03 57:41

The greater good mate.

SPEAKER_02 57:43

Anyway, come and change it. It's been a good show. Like I said, I hope everybody's enjoyed it. It's been a good one tonight. We've had Kev on board, you've had a quiz. We're still continuing to get loads of downloads. We really are. It's becoming one of the most listen the most listened to podcasts that is purely for plastering across the UK and the USA now. So yeah, thanks to everybody who listens. Thanks to you know, all the lads in the USA and lads across the UK who listen to us. Yeah, we're gonna carry on and keep doing it.

SPEAKER_03 58:21

And we've started moving into Canada as well, which is quite scary.

SPEAKER_02 58:25

Well, yeah, but this is a bit more world to go out, yeah. Anyway, we better call it a do and say, right, so it's a goodbye from me, Dave. And a do from me, Mick. Hey.

SPEAKER_05 58:42

Always look on the flight, I delight. Always look on the light eye to flight.