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From Trowel to Teacher – The Tom Marsden Story

What happens when you swap the building site for the classroom?

In this latest episode of The Mick & Dave Show, we sit down with Tom Marsden to hear his journey from life on the tools to inspiring the next generation of tradespeople.

💬 Honest conversations.
😂 Plenty of laughs.
💪 Real-life experiences from someone who's lived it.

Whether you're a plasterer, a tradesperson, thinking about getting into teaching, or just enjoy a great story, this episode is well worth a listen.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:44

Hey mate, how are you doing? How are you? So go on. I'm not free bad yourself. Well, tell a lie, you know I'm a bit bad because I've knackered me Achilles, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 0:53

Yeah, you silly fucker, are you?

SPEAKER_00 0:55

Anyhow.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Playing football at your edge, you bloody hell fire. Well, you know. You're not a teenager, you know. Well, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

Well, shit happens. Anyway, what have we got on tonight?

SPEAKER_01 1:09

Anyway, what's on the show? You're what's on the show tonight? Well, this evening, we're yeah, we're going to have with a young teacher and new ladies. A young ladies just got into teaching. I met him ten years ago. There was a session for British Gypsy. He's got his level two, level three plastering. And he's always had this desire to become a teacher. Mr. Tom Moyes didn't. So finally he's managed to secure a position at a local college. So let's find out how his first year must have been. So let's get on with it. I first came across Tom about ten years ago. I was doing a testing for Bush Gipson, and Tom applied to be an accredited plaster. He passed up with, you know, we're honest type of thing. He's got his level two, level three plastering. Well, I think he's got a desire to get into teaching. And I'm pleased to say, in the last few months, he's managed to secure a full-time position at a local college. Is that right, Tom?

SPEAKER_07 3:12

Yeah, correct.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

So, right, we'll start. How you find the interview?

SPEAKER_07 3:19

It was daunting at the first because it's out of my comfort zone. My comfort zone's just been in the house on my own, blastering.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 3:27

So to be in front of a room doing something powerpointy.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 3:33

It's a bit different.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

How many people did they bring in front of you when you were didn't they bring like a with me, they brought like a group of students in?

SPEAKER_07 3:42

No, it was it was only two of them, luckily.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

Two students?

SPEAKER_07 3:45

No, not bad. No, two adults. I think there was uh two two managers of uh the department, if you will. But that was dawning enough to do it in front of that, like I said, but I've never something I've never done.

SPEAKER_00 4:01

That that's the the thing when when it's unusual that it's usually yeah, you usually get a group of at least six. Yeah, yeah. You go off. I had to watch one a couple of months ago. A lad starting with us, and I could see the sheer terror in his eyes. I felt really sorry for him, I really did. And it goes to put the first trowel full on the wall, and you could see the arms stuttering as it was going up the wall. I'm like, oh man, just do me a favor, just chill out.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

So you got your full-time position, and basically, so like you your first day you went in, you had to do online training, get used to using the computer.

SPEAKER_07 4:48

Yeah, yeah. So that that online training was I had a week to come complete it, so it was all different trainings, if you will.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

Yeah, different to like health of the energy.

SPEAKER_00 5:00

And you know, yeah, I've just I did mine a couple of months ago. It's it's it's there, and it's like all of a sudden this list appears in front of you. Yeah, I think I counted 27 to do at the time, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 5:13

And then you think you've got one, and then another one crops up, another one crops, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

And then when you think you've finished another four turn up, yeah, yeah, and great fun.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

So, do you think obviously it's new into teaching you within a few months? Is it going to be everything you thought it would be, or is it something totally different? Like you've come from the tools, you know, your environment sitting in a house skimming walls or outside rendering or whatever, all of a sudden you come into a classroom environment. Is it totally alien to you? Is it something like you had kind of expected?

SPEAKER_07 5:51

Well, after speaking to you, it was a bit terrifying, really.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

But then it does that for everyone, Tom, don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_07 6:00

When it when I got there and and met everyone, I think I think the more terrifying bit is the amount of paperwork you've got to do, yeah, and how long you actually are in front of a computer. I think it'd be great if you could just go in and teach blastering all the time.

SPEAKER_00 6:19

It's not as easy as we find it out. No, but there's only one way to do that, and that's go part-time, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 6:26

But saying that, I'm I'm I want to learn it, I'll I want to put my stamp. I've already made a marking up there how I want my base set out and everything like that. So I want things to be done. I think what one of the big things is what helped me a lot there was the the team that's there for you, really, because the as we call it is the trial team. So we've got we've got a decorator, she's programme leader, and then there's three brickies, but we still have the crack, and I think that's what you need coming off site and trial, you need that crack.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

You you need you need to be able to do it. Just be careful because you'll have a vice principal who'll come in and say to you the banter is a very fine line to bullying. Yeah, no, seriously, we've had it that we've had it the last month, and it's like you sit there and you're like, Really? Because it's what we're used to, yeah. Yeah, we have a laugh, we take the piss. Yeah, it's what we've done for donkeys years, yeah. It is, and then she comes in kicking off about leaving fire doors open and propping them open with boots and bricks and shit.

SPEAKER_07 7:34

Well, we did that last week, we left the fire doors open, it was too hot in the workshop.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

Oh, dude, yeah, you know. But you get your air too for that one as well. Yeah, bulletin for that one, bloody old. Yeah, yeah, it's it's madness sometimes, but I can't you kind of get where they're coming from, but sometimes you've got to have a little bit of common sense. Yeah, if it's baking up, you ain't got no air con in there, which nine times out of ten you won't have in a workshop. No, so let's use a bit of common sense.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

Yeah, I've been in the college workshop, it's very good, you know. You do have a good setup down there, you you you really do. Yeah, there's no twice about it. What level students are you working with? Are you working with first years or are you working with second years? Uh are you doing a level three program? It's not what people seem to be doing.

SPEAKER_07 8:22

We're doing like first and second years.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

First and second years.

SPEAKER_07 8:26

Yeah. Yeah, over his two-year course.

SPEAKER_01 8:29

So I didn't put you in the classroom yet.

SPEAKER_07 8:32

Yeah, I've been in the classroom, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Have you?

SPEAKER_07 8:34

Yeah. I kind of came in and there was a there was a a guy who took over the plastering just while he found a job for plastering lecturer, and I kind of slowly took over him, if you will. So I went shadowing him in the classroom and obviously said my bit because he's a brickie and I'm a plasterer. So I put my knowledge across, and then now I've had him in the workshop more, really, and now waiting for the new set.

SPEAKER_01 9:04

How did you find working in the you know, teaching in the classroom? How did you find you know the the actual environment? Some people find it totally out-putting, some people freeze, yeah, you know, you have nearly like makes them really grumbling broke to tears being completely different, innit, in the classroom.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

It's a different book, yeah, different books.

SPEAKER_07 9:26

When everyone's completely when everyone's just staring at you, yes, and they're expecting you to deliver them and know everything and just get all the information across.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

Right. The thing is, never admit to know everything. Yeah, if you don't know it, yeah, just say no, I don't know. Find it out, yeah. That's it. Just say, well, that's a good, can you find out? Because I'm not allowed. What what you do find, do you have apprentices?

SPEAKER_07 9:50

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

What I've found in the past with apprentices, the bosses give them questions to try and trick you up. I'll ask you this tomorrow. Yeah, and you can tell, you can tell it's not the student, the apprentice, because you haven't covered that theory yet. You know, he's saying, you know, what's a muffle on the ball, whatever. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 10:11

They haven't got the knowledge to come out with a question like that. That's correct, mate. Yeah, yeah, and you can usually tell with the way the question's worded as to whether it's come from the kid or it's come from an employer. Yeah, yeah, that's but again, these are all things you pick up as as you're going through the journey with experience.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

It is, yeah, yeah, then them things. And another good tip for you when you're in the classroom, don't fix yourself banned bored. No, walk round, walk round the classroom. It's called it's psychological. What it is called it's high ground and low ground. If you stand in front, can you there's been shot at, yeah, and basically the kids will lie and have you. But if you're walking around, they have no bloody clue way, are they?

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Yeah, and also there's less there's less eyes on you when you when you're moving as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To be fair. So that takes away the nervy element a little bit. Yeah, it does.

SPEAKER_06 11:10

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:11

It's like I I start at the classroom, then I'll at the front, then I'll work my way around the tables. Usually finish up at the back if I've got them on a task.

SPEAKER_06 11:20

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Yeah, so they so they can't focus on me, they've got to focus on what they're doing.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

That that's that's yeah, that that's that's the way. And if you're you know, saying you get one messing about on one thing and so you just turn around and go, what do you think of that thing? You know what I mean? You put them out of the comfort zone, yeah. You know, you to be a question, what's your response to that? Well, he's not be listening, you know what I mean? Or then the all the stun, they're like, Oh, shit, you might have spent you know it's all that topic, it's all the psychology go into teaching a hell of a lot.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

It really is, so it's a thing that's probably that'll probably be the best bit of your teaching qual that you'll actually enjoy because it's relevant, it is relevant, the rest of it's a load of bollocks. Oh, did I say that out loud? Yeah, not long, not loud enough though. Well, me and you have had this argument for donkeys years that it's it's based for somebody that teaches in a school, yeah, that's that's not doing something that's like trade-wise or vocational, yeah. Because they're expecting you to have a class of say 25, 26 that are impeccable behaved and do exactly as you want them to do. That doesn't work in vocation, it's never worked. You normally have a group of about 18, 12 are not too bad, and you've usually got six knob heads. Truth be no.

SPEAKER_07 12:46

Yeah, I do think they should be taught slightly different in in the construction, especially when you say you're getting them sight ready, and yeah, yeah, some of them you they just get eaten alive.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Oh, big time, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

If you don't speak to them the way you should get speak spoken to, you know, you have to talk. Don't talk, never don't talk down to people, talk to them. Yeah, and school all the time they've been spoken down to oh, you'll never make out in your life, and yeah, you know that type of thing. Talk to them and say, praise them. A lot of these kids have never had any praise. Yeah, they come from a rough background, you know what I mean? They've never had it all the life in school, they've been told, Oh, you'll never make them, and and then when you praise them, all of a sudden you see a change, you know what I mean? But you're not praised easily, no, they'll learn it, and then what they'll do, they'll look for it, and you know, you'll get oh, did you skim that wall? Yeah, yeah, that's fantastic. And then um, next time they walk in back, do you look at my wall top? Can you just have a look? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 13:50

They want the praise, they're looking for it. Yeah, I've had that a few times already.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

Have you?

SPEAKER_07 13:55

Yeah, but like I say, I think I feel you've got to praise them because plastering art, in my opinion, it you get better and better gradually over time. It doesn't just click to you, and I don't think in two years, if you've only come into college four days a week or three days a week, whatever it is, you're not gonna pick up the trade in them two years, are you? And master it always you're always learning, aren't you?

SPEAKER_00 14:18

Yeah, you're getting the basics in the first two years, and then your education starts when you finish. Yeah, which sounds wrong, but it's basically facts. Yeah, it's like two years you're learning to master skills, identify materials and the likes of, yeah, and learn how to put it on warp, yeah, or ceiling, whichever, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 14:40

And then when you're on the job, that's when you learn your trends.

SPEAKER_00 14:43

That's it. And then because the one that always gets me is every time we finish a load of second years, they walk around like, oh, I'm qualified now. And I'm like, No, you're actually not, but you can plaster to a level two standard, yeah, and that's that's where it all falls apart a little bit. Because if you've got a a young, a young head case that thinks he can comes onto site and says to you, Oh, I've got my level two, I'm I'm qualified. Yeah, your brain looks at him and goes, Hang on a minute, you're 18, 19 year old. You ain't qualified. And and that that's the hard bit about it, is sort of kind of breaking it to him gently that this is where your education starts again.

SPEAKER_01 15:33

Yeah, you're 100% correct. And what there should be a better progression route for full-time students into employment, where they could go as an improver or something along that type of line. Okay, they've got the qualification, but you have no site experience whatsoever. You know what I mean? And even everyone carried a plasterboard upstairs, you know what I mean? They've no site experience, and that's where there should be like a level where psychologists think into employees who've got some good improvers here. Yeah, they've got the knowledge, they've some basic skills, they've been site experience.

SPEAKER_07 16:14

We are hoping maybe to try something where so the apprentices are all different teams to us. So when the plaster and apprentices come in, we'll ask the employer to take one of our students. Oh, that's a good idea on like a day release sort of thing to them. Yeah, just like a swap, yeah. So they get a bit of site site time there with them and see what that's like.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

That that that's a good that's a good idea. You know, the employees up for that, so all of a sudden you have eight to ten apprentices and you could release eight to ten yeah full-time students, yeah. I think that's a brilliant idea to tell you the truth.

SPEAKER_00 16:56

It'll work as long as the kids are all good. Yeah, if you've any that um are a bit not quite there, as soon as you send a bad one, that'll be it, you'll lose the employer. Yeah, that's that's the annoying bit about it. Yeah, that that's that's it's like for me, my I my idea is if I can find a decent patch of ground in the college to to build a bungalow. And then the brickies will build it, the joiners will then go in and put all the stud work up. We can then go in, board it, and skim it out. Yeah, and then every year we can rip it off and do it again.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

There's several colleges already have that. When you get when you left Burnley, we moved into a new workshop and we had a one built in the middle of the workshop, like the mezzanine floor was all the way around the perimeter of the building in the middle with a bungalow. That's where Blackpool didn't.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

Yeah, Blackpool used to do that. Well, that's that's I what I want the bungalow outside. You always want more than you can have, you do. Don't you? What you always want more than you can have. Well, that's me, isn't it? Yeah, but my thoughts are, yeah, if it's in the college and in a workshop, the kids think they're going into college. Yeah. If it's outside, yeah, they've got to turn up in all weathers and work in all weathers, which is real life. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 18:32

I agree with that one. Uh I know you'll have all the Buddy Ball Brigade going down your deck, won't you? Oh, it's the call from to work.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

Well, no, but that's realistic. Yeah, but that's realistic. I know it's realistic. Yeah, and in in the qual now, if you're running a city and guilds one, they've got to have, I think it's 35 hours of either project or site site work.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

Is that right?

SPEAKER_00 19:01

Yeah. Now let's be realistic. If you've got 41st years, you are not gonna get 41st years, 35 hours if you haven't got something else going on.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

So that's the that's to me is the perfect way of doing it. Because every every one of the kids that's in that college will have some input on that bungalow in construction.

SPEAKER_01 19:27

Yeah, yeah. No, yeah, that's that's that's the great, you you know, you cover all trades, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

So I've already sown the seed, I'm just waiting for uh for the for the seedling to start to grow.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

You know, and realistically, you can get a lot of materials from sponsorships. Exactly. You know, very people I can only come across sponsorship deals yet, where contact line suppliers put money into colleges.

SPEAKER_06 19:59

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

The reason behind that being that the student will learn to use their products. Yeah, uh one thing we had a big issue at uh Burnley College, we got sponsored by Canalf, but not by BG. So all our students were working with Canalf products, and BG wouldn't even touch us because oh god, you got Canalf on board, but BG would not give us enough material to use them and what have you. So we had to go for you know the one who's going to give you the most, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

And we so your drawback is our trade is the worst for using material. It's like joiners that can cut a piece of wood a bit smaller, make a smaller model. Yeah, we can't throw a bag of finish on a wall then scrape it back and reuse it.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

No, that's why you're using sand and lime, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 20:55

That's why a lot a lot of the colleges now have come away from running level threes because of the price of casting plaster.

SPEAKER_01 21:03

Yeah, I don't know how much it is now.

SPEAKER_00 21:05

I think that's over 25 quid a bag now. How much big? Over 25 quid a bag.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Fucking hell. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous, is that or that's why you need your sponsorship into it, you know what I mean? And the job of when I was programmed leader, one of my jobs were to get a sponsorship because the college gave you so much money in cheer, but it didn't equate enough per student. Yeah, you might cloud. How many students do we have, Mike? I don't know, 60, 70, 80, whatever. Burnley.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

I bet I'll bet I'll bet there were seven. How many? I'll bet there were seventy. We had two groups at level one, didn't we? Two groups at level two.

SPEAKER_01 21:45

Nine school groups and a level three group. Plus nine school groups. Yeah. We had an awful lot, and there weren't enough money to get everybody. So as a program leader, I had to see you know money coming into the department. to you know you can't shape your lads right you're no run out of money now we've no more money and no more plastic we can't do it because everything's a course and the person who gets the ball the king for that is a program leader because you haven't managed your program you haven't managed your yeah because you you haven't managed anything you've run out of yeah but it's like boarding isn't it with dabbing that's the same thing oh that's a nice the rip them off and we've got to do it again yeah yeah yeah yeah that is so expensive and you'll see a kid walk upstairs with you know you'll cover like a quarter of pizza with a plastic board 84 and leave that yeah you know I mean someone else's on the hang on this like one of those how much is in a plastic board these days and and and and that really we're very lucky because canals they'd put well they were hundreds of boards I think weren't it we were actually hundreds of boards a year they'd put it yeah it was crazy the amount of stuff they threw it through us yeah absolutely ridiculous and I don't think we ever used it all did we no no they they gave us a lot of materials that we'd never use mainly for dry like dry lining and stuff like that you know all that jointing compound I said use you know what I mean but they didn't do an awful lot on fiber tape they give you like boxes of boxes of fiber tape you know what I mean you've got to get the balls on the wall first for you fiber tape it well they give you the exactly so so yeah oh yeah it's and paper tape Jesus Christ I've never seen so much in my life oh paper tape we didn't damn well use it oh well they they did it every every year and because canal was sponsoring Burnley College British Hitson won't touch us yeah the one touchers now I was down in London one time and we were in a meeting and British tipson went there and yeah yeah we we sponsor colleges I said well can you tell me why I won't sponsor Burnley College or you give me six empty bags of plastic to ping on my wall to show what bags of plastic look like you've not given me no material well they took the off yeah they absolutely took the off and they like black me they banned me didn't they basic most people tend to Facebook being the optimum one at the minute and banned for mouth Facebook's a summer else at the moment they're banning everybody day starting a new page and they banned that as well oh it's just a game of cat and mouse is that one definitely yeah so are we finding are you finding you know are you computer literature now yeah well I've always got a computer yeah yeah so yeah I find it's a different kind of tired now aren't you you're mentally tired you're mentally tired at the end of the day which is different different entirely yeah so yeah it it is a different ball game completely but must admit I do enjoy it it's something I wanted to do yeah it's you won't go out yeah so is it is there anything that you struggle with at the minute in regards to what sense the whole thing uh at first it was the the planning with the 35 week plan then there's a scheme of works then there's the lesson plans getting all that trying sorted and yeah itemizing what I'm gonna do yeah have you sort have you got them sorted yeah they're all done now yeah right I've got them right so it's good good team to help me and yeah we've got got my head round it and yeah basically I said I said to them all I said you just need to dumb it all down for me don't use these fancy words all these iphenated words or whatever just dumb it all down and then we can take what you will come across a shitload of abbreviations you just said that yeah yeah yeah yeah um learn the language haven't yeah you've got to learn the lingo and trust me that takes a while you just have a notebook full of these abbreviations letters yeah what they're supposed to mean yeah yeah like another thing i don't I don't I was struggling with with the students is you're asking them well how have you got on at high school what are your grades and the saying about levels yeah I thought yeah I thought it was GCSEs it's all level two three four five and I was like well what does what does this all equate to now then yeah yeah yeah that's another thing and and and it works backwards so one is not good five is brilliant right yeah yeah yeah and it's I was in the same boat when they swapped it over I was like what the fuck are you all on about that makes no sense to me no yeah in my day it was a b c d e it was quite simple yeah I don't understand and you knew e was shit yeah but we used to get I got one thrown at me the other week now bearing in mind Dave when I went to school my exams were all CSE yeah yeah yeah so I get this this abbreviation comes up on this board I'm sat down like CSE what the fuck's that doing in there fucking school exams so I've got the safeguarding woman sat in front of me it was actually on induction so I just lean over I went here Beck she went what I said uh what's CSE stand for she went child exploitation child sexual exploitation I went fuck me I thought it was an exam so straight away she just turned around and gave me you know that glare that go looks at you as if to say as if you didn't know just uh yeah yeah another one I was just like do you know what fuck off but yeah it was priceless brilliant brilliant yeah and so basically you're learning a new language someone once said to me well program leader down the college learning teaching is like learning a new skill your apprentice again would you with that yeah so day one is you're paying you've got to learn everything yeah yeah there's so much you have to learn so much you have to learn yeah that's what again on the computer inside it's all to do with paperwork yeah exactly all to do with paperwork and and that's it's knowing yeah and and knowing then you quite look forward to being in the workshop with the kids and teaching teaching how to plaster well yeah yeah yeah you see well that's where everybody falls down because they they go into it thinking oh it's all class workshop based yeah it's not no it's not no and yeah and that's that's the bit you've got to get your head round the higher up you go Nick you'll agree with this the higher up you go the more admin work involved like you know program leader as far no unless you're clever well unless you know because if you get to plu if you get to program leader what you tend to do is paperwork you pass it down the line well yeah you learn that paper line's one of the tricks you have to learn isn't it you know what I mean you have to learn these tricks you know it's called pass the book you listen passing the book it's like you don't pay me enough to sit at a desk all day and fucking use a pen. Have you started doing any qualifications yet you know I mean like your assessors unit you you teach your training are you are they gonna put you through them or have you started you what do you know about some anything or nothing uh well I haven't started them yet I believe I'm going on my assessors next year to start that I think right um that that's all I know with that regards then I'm going on to me my teaching one what what I need to get well you your assessor one is I think far more in far more important to the vocational people than the you know than your search you searched you learn did the squat and you learn shit on it don't you different ball game different ball game it's yeah quite honest you searched more three academic people who are teaching you know sciences and things like that yeah but your your sensors yeah it's vocational you've got the practical knowledge you've you know you know things look like how it should look like and and you can pass your skills once you get the qualification you can go to set a lad on site and you know so well if you're doing this a bit differently you know like I was setting one lad and every time he goes over he put lines in his skinny all the time so they just take the angle you travel a little bit you'll find no pushing as hard you won't put as many lines on yeah you know what I mean but you have to have that knowledge yeah to to show them and and that's what it's all about. Yeah but the the crazy thing is you're probably already doing it you just don't realize you're not realize you're doing it this is it that makes sense yeah yeah well it's as I say so you stand back and uh that's what you're assessing training and showing them how to pass in your knowledge on things like that and and that's it so yeah and it's completely different when it comes to meeting you you're basically not as involved as you you're taking a step back and watching what's happening yeah well what do you mean an assessor's award is a portfolio yeah it's not an exam no all you're doing is is you basically you're being assessed so you're building a portfolio and you're you know your your assessor your teacher what have you will guide you through you all you do is put a portfolio together and what you would do you used to have to have three students and they had to do three tasks to something of that type of line and two students two two students three tasks it used to be Dave is all it is yeah yeah because I remember doing mine quite well yeah yeah yeah you did that burn me didn't you yeah yeah so what you've got to get your head round Tom is that everything in education has to be evidenced.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

So basically you're just building an evidence an evident evidential portfolio of you being able to assess somebody doing something right and it it sounds daunting it's actually not no it's not the the only one you've got to remember is the spiel that you give out before you do the assessment if you can't get older one give me a shout and I'll type your crib sheet up for it. Right all right yeah that that's basically so it's a step by step stage yeah it's just taking are you my assessment decision you can appeal against my decision as an assessment it's that type thing you're talking about Mick isn't it well it's the it's the full shebang it's basically step one are you happy to be assessed on XYZ yeah yeah yeah then there's gonna be me there's gonna be somebody else possibly somebody else watching me watching that's the assessment process yeah basically and then you're going through the do you know the appeals procedure do you know how how to appeal if you if you disagree with my decision and it's just it's I literally write it out so that's it's each individual step.

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Yeah once you've got that in your brain you just do it automatically that's right quite honest the assessing when you're assessing it's it's good because it gets you out of the college you're going back to the building site and you know you're meeting up with employees and your students in the work environment yeah you know not your college environment and there were one one incident right at college drawback is Dave nowadays you've got to have it for in college as well yeah all right so that's that's the way it's gone right because the argument is if you haven't got that assessor's qualification how can you prove that you're competent to assess somebody yeah that's the way it's gone well yeah yeah yeah yeah no that's that's where you get everything countersigned or something like that if you haven't got it at the moment everything by you yeah you countersign but once you get that qualification it doesn't need to be no but then you could counter sign someone before you know who comes in after you type of thing so assessing you do start off you do it used to be called the A1 awards I don't know it's changed its name now it's now called taqua taq a what the fucking hell's that ballocks exactly ballocks sounds like bigfoot that yeah I think it's training as an assessing qualification award but I'm not positive on that so don't hold me to it honestly is that what it's called bloody I think so I could be wrong but I'm not positive but yeah it's just uh so what's the next day so you get this qualification and mix your stead and then the next one is called I V is that still what's that called IQA now it's called what IQA and internal quality assurance yeah oh I know I'm not gonna bring you yeah it's loads there's a little book in my desk what all these are for and have a guess what have a guess what the next one is external qualification go on EQA EQA external quality assurance yeah right so then then some qualification that you you'll be working towards you're doing your your assessors award which is you know it's enjoyable type get that out there and then you can then assess people and that you get a number and that stops for you all the time yeah you know what I mean and it's probably the same numbers you have on your qualifications already won't you it is yeah I can tell you mine off the top of my head Dave well you probably can 940 570 apart from that you're showing off the fucking glimpse it's not fucking long since you did yours you won't remember it anyway a little box oh dear me so you you get that qual outway and and then you know you you might get pushed towards doing the internal you know your IQA jobs internal qualification and and that again it it's enjoyable and all you're doing with that like an assessor does an assessment for the year of the student who every you have to do like two a year and they put the portfolio work in front of you and you're double checking what he's done yeah you know making sure the assessment is right and it it's quite good is that you know he's quite good that's the easiest bit it it is it's one of the easiest things to do because if you have a good assessor all you're doing is you know he knows what he's talking about yeah yeah yeah and you're just checking the big feedback yeah you'll find feedback is a big thing in education have you come across that already yeah yeah and to add more and uh spag oh my god he's he's got it already oh my god can you tell people what spag meant no is it's spelling and grammar or something spelling punctuation spelling punctuation and grammar I'm a plasterer I'm not an English teacher but that that's your drawback because you just don't want to become one oh impress me said spike oh brilliant brilliant yeah super so yeah no I'm I'm really glad you you're doing all right and you know you're settling into it yeah and this time I'll go on all I'll say Tom is your best friend at the minute is called chat GBT because it'll write your lesson plans and it'll write everything for you yeah yeah yeah yeah you you yeah still we didn't have that luxury and like you know yeah and it'll even it'll even write your essays for your sir for your certain as well but he doesn't does it because they've been sussed out to you yeah he gets tracked and it tells you how many percentages ai he gets put through a system we have to try another one well but this way I know there's a lad at our place just just done his first year yeah and that was his best friend it were yeah yeah yeah well this is it you know all the information's out there all you're doing is asking AI to find it for you instead of you find it yourself you know and like you type and the easiest way to do it change a few of the words when you run when you type it up that's all you need to do you know and yeah get it rewriting a couple of times what would I will do I mean I'm too that being cheated and knowing how to cheat I'll check it from A and putting through Gemini or some another yeah you know can you alter this can you rewrite this you know I'd I'd definitely get it to do all your Harvard referencing then oh definitely because that'll make life so much easier yeah yeah and that won't mean a thing to you at the minute Tom but it will when you start your search quite scary when you said Harvard yeah yeah this is the this is it when you do the cert head it's a university level and quite honest plaster's not meant for that no and you'll come across I don't you'll come across a plaster or a construction teacher who's enjoyed in the cert ed because it's we're not designed for that we hated we're not capable of doing it. Well we do it but we're not enjoying it and basically a lot of people struggle so much because it's a you know end of the day we're we're practical people aren't we're not academic people if you've been academic you wouldn't have been a plaster you'd have gone into accountancy or lawyers that type of work but well I'm I'm guessing he's listened to episode is it episode two or episode three Rabbit in the headlights yeah yeah listen to them ones yeah yeah well have a listen back and you'll hear about my experience at Sir Ted and what he actually said to me when I rang him up yes he didn't get on very well didn't get on very well with his teacher yeah no he's a punk no not very well no no it's worth listening to he's trying to beat him up that's what I said to you he phoned me phoned me he said Dave uh I've walked out of my lesson I've I've had a fallen out of my first thing with you have it him have you and I know he's a top teacher I didn't want to lose him because I mean he's it's I can't protect him and um but no he kept cool to a degree yeah then you sent me I see John didn't you was curriculum manager at the time yeah that's again you and what did John say to me I've meet him well you meet you had a reputation you were an hot head you know you were oh yeah I was well I could control you not nobody else could you're about the only fucker who could at the time to be fairly right oh and maybe little Linda Lady yeah really yeah little Linda was the staff right well I think it's been a good podcast that so thanks for coming Tom no worries thank you and uh obviously keep us informed we're progressing and yeah you know what I mean I'll I'll be going and come back through another one and tell us we're reincerted and you know you need to what have you yeah when I'm pulling my hair out with it well that's why I know where it needs nowhere I'm going the same way mate it happens trust me oh yeah so yeah anything you get stuck with just drop us drop us an email or give us a shout yeah I appreciate that yeah have you contacted an an APL yeah yeah yeah that's all sorted yeah yeah that's that's good they'll be there to support you as well I think the next one's November ish in Wigan it was supposed to be November the 6th but it will get cancelled because it's GCSE week yeah yeah it's in Wigan isn't it yeah it's and it's at Wigan so it's not too far from me this time well I'm going next one I'm going next oh yeah I'll see you there then you will if I don't see you before hopefully before all right hopefully well once it's this thing's sorted mate then yeah without a doubt shut up mate there's going on enough for you now says Mr.

SPEAKER_06 43:25

Rabbit thanks for coming all right all right we'll keep in touch yeah thank you yeah cheers talk cheers I'm gonna play some music for you right now here we go

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On down in the toe with a big little rise or swap saw a young boy down in the toe where he was the foam on the feet of sun before the good side and I'll control and all that I'm gonna hit the hollow like a battery while I'm on a still black fan on bite Oh in the middle of this whole I'm about to see the whole night Nothing ever finish one finish one I got up down to all the money I got up down to all of the only thing in the store building wherever Wherever you are wherever you go There's always gonna be so less But I gotta get out I gotta break it down now Before the fuck So we gotta make the most of our one now when it's all I can do be so alone better Let me go with the moment I got better Lady Go Yeah he could listen to Tom there in his first months and teach him So we we wish him good luck for the future and keep in touch Tom and let us know how you go on, you know you've got the dreaded search head coming up and rewards and Montagno Let us know how you go on keeping judge again away.

SPEAKER_01 48:55

At least we all have half an hour recording time.

SPEAKER_00 49:01

Exactly, we haven't got the time for that.

SPEAKER_01 49:02

We've got the time for that. We'll pass on that.

SPEAKER_09 49:10

I'm a wanker, I'm a wanker, and it doesn't mean I'm a wanker, I'm a wanker, and I'm always on it, my good What about Air Roll, like have we got an e-roll?

SPEAKER_00 49:24

This is so easy, it's untrue, innit?

SPEAKER_01 49:27

It's gotta be, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 49:28

There can only there can be only one and it's gotta go to the the maestro that happens to wear the number shirt, number ten shirt, and his name is Mr. Jude Bellingham. Congratulations, sir, you are a hero of the week.

SPEAKER_01 51:02

Yeah, along the England team as well. And look against the podcast now.

SPEAKER_00 51:33

Goodbye from me, Rick, we'll see you soon.

SPEAKER_01 51:35

We'll see you soon. Goodbye.

SPEAKER_10 51:40

Always look on the bright side of life. Always look on the light side of life Life's a piece of shit when you look at it.

SPEAKER_11 52:01

Life's a laugh and death's a joke. It's true. Use it for a show, keep on laughing as you go. Just remember that the last laugh is on you. We come back to nothing. Why you lose? Nothing will come from nothing, you know nice guy. Hey,