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DON’T CALL IT WOO with Kathleen Funk
Dr. Kathleen Funk, DAOM, LAc, is a fourth-generation traditional healer, licensed acupuncturist, and multidisciplinary artist. With over a decade of clinical experience, she integrates Traditional Chinese Medicine, intuitive energy practices, and ancestral wisdom. She is the founder of Energy Maps, a signature process that reveals and recalibrates the patterns held in the energetic body. In addition to her healing practice, she facilitates the Patreon community Don’t Call It Woo and creates large-scale artworks that act as talismanic mirrors of energy and spirit.
In this episode, Kathleen discusses healing across all medicines; channeling the chakras of her clients into art; trusting the messages of intuition; and art as a healing language.
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SPEAKER_01:Kathleen Funk is a multidisciplinary healer and artist, blending art, acupuncture, and energy work to support holistic well-being and authentic self-expression. A fourth generation traditional healer with a doctorate in acupuncture and oriental medicine is from a decade-long private practice to remote energy alignment sessions and acupuncture pop-ups, creating more accessible ways to connect. Amazing. We are so excited to have one of my healers and dear friends, Kathleen Funk, here with us today. Hello, Kathleen.
SPEAKER_00:Hi, how are you? I know we did pleasantries prior to, but now it's the official start of the podcast.
SPEAKER_02:We did, we did. Yeah. So psyched to have you here. And um, yeah, I mean, we just love starting with this question of talking about the path you took to where you are today. And we love to hear about greatest influences too, because we shouting out people is one of our favorite things to do here.
SPEAKER_00:Love, love, love, love. Yes. I I appreciate the time to the opportunity to take time to give thanks to the folks that made way for me. So this is exciting. Yeah. So um influences and how I got here, gosh, you know, it's been a really roundabout journey because um I come from a family of healers, sort of traditional healers. But because of the war in the Philippines and then immigrating here to the States, there's always this idea that one has to get into a career that is valid and will further uh the family line, right? And so usually uh as an immigrant, it would be like law or medicine. And naturally, like because we were healers and that was always in a background, I thought, okay, so I think I'll become a doctor. And so my initial foray into this path was really like through Western medicine, interestingly enough. And it wasn't until I got to like a philosophy of medicine class where one of my professors, being as keen as he was, went told me, you know, you don't have to be this kind of physician. And that really turned on a light bulb in my mind. Because I'm like, what do you mean? Yeah, I don't have to be this kind of physician. He's like, well, I mean, it's clear that you have like this background and you you have all of these other interests. There are different types of doctors, and like you can be a different type of healer. And for me, that was so freeing to consider, um, much to the dismay of my parents at the time. But but uh I really took that background in medicine and clinical training, and I really applied it to the intuitive cultivation that my family had really given me as I was growing up. And I found it to work hand in hand with each other. And I know that like these days, you know, there's this idea that intuition and logic seem to be like paradoxical, like uh diametrically opposed to each other, and it just simply isn't. And uh, when you're able to hold space with accuracy and clarity, but also allow wisdom and intuition to flow through to inform that, I think that one can have such a holistic practice. And so um, long story short, that's kind of how I got to where I am. Um backtrack a little bit. I'm a fourth generation traditional healer, um, went around the long way, came back and went, oh, this is the medicine for me. Um, and so I jumped from pre-med to uh to Chinese medicine. And I went to uh grad school for Chinese medicine, got my master's, got my doctorate. Um, I've been practicing Chinese medicine and functional medicine for over a decade now. And I have recently, in the past couple years, made a shift into really delving into the intuitive and energetic uh medicine of my family, and that's been really exciting.
SPEAKER_01:I I mean, you know, I'm such a fan and I love this. And I I like what you started to say, which is that logic and intuition don't need to be at war with each other. And so even if as we're framing this as, you know, it's Eastern versus what Western medicine or it's physical medicine versus energetic medicine, I think it would be so beautiful if you explain, you know, your particular brand of healing that you've curated and what it is like to have this sort of session with you and and incorporate all of those different elements.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. I the way that I hold space for someone is simply how I think that the spirit needs to be held. And when I say that, I know that that sounds like like mumbo jumbo right now, but what I really mean is that I deeply want a person to feel seen and to be heard and to be understood, um, not just from like a like laboratory analysis, but also from an energetic understanding and even from like a psychological profile. And being able to meet someone where they are, I think first like deeply heals us on a very deep level, um, both for me and for the person I'm holding space for, uh, but it also informs the decisions and recommendations I make afterwards. And so within the context of the person where they are, then we can start to um filter into the information of what's going on in their labs, what's going on in their life, um, what's going on in the particular season of life that they're going through. Um, and even then we can add on another layer, right? Like what did their intuitive guides and their ancestral guides want to chip in to help with that guidance? So that's somewhat how I work with someone.
SPEAKER_01:No, and I think you know, it's so beautiful because I even think my super uh, you know, physical diagnosis that I was trying to give myself and share with you is oh, you know, I'm coming to to work with you because I have so much sludge hanging around in my energy. Can you help me? Sludge.
SPEAKER_00:So in Chinese medicine, we have a word for that sludge, you know, like we have uh patterns and diagnoses for that sludge. And so I think that you you came to the table with such really keen uh body awareness and body literacy that it's so helpful and like easy to work with you in that sense.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, thank you, thank you. Yeah, and building off of the um difficulty there is sometimes explaining energetic medicine to folks who are familiar with it, you have this great Patreon title, Don't Call It Woo, and we would love to uh hear you share more about why you chose this title.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, I would love to share on this because it it's a big deal for me because I I feel like a lot of times people in the holistic space, yogis, even acupuncturists, Chinese medical doctors, whatever, we tend to go, oh yes, I do this. And then like there's a little bit of this, yeah, I'm kind of into woo. And we say this in like an apologetic sort of way, in a very dismissive sort of way. And so um woo-woo is meant to kind of like cast shadow on something, to cast um uh like reasonable doubt on something because it isn't like so serious, and it's almost apologetic that we practice it or that we're into it, like it's something to be shameful about. Um, but the truth is that these things that we currently call woo-woo um are lived cultures, medicines, and experiences of indigenous folk, of traditional practitioners, of traditional um medicine carriers. And when we label something as woo-woo, we fail to understand the context of the practice, we fail to understand the reasoning, we fail to understand the mechanism, and we lose out on a lot of the medicine. And so I find it really funny how for decades meditation alone, just like the act of meditating, was considered woo-woo, right? But then suddenly um neuroscience is going, oh, wait, we need meditation. We need meditation because it regulates the ANS. It it helps us get out of fight or flight into rest and digest. And the difference, the main difference here is that they've used language to affirm it. Whereas, like, we've we've understood this in traditional medicine for literally millennia. And I think that there are a lot of things that we're overlooking simply because we've um categorized it as something woo-woo.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I am loving this because there is such a funny thing happening in culture right now, and I'm really particularly listening to it in a way I haven't before. But I also think that it's not been spoke about as much as it is. So, a good example of this is, you know, one of my middle-age lady behaviors that I have is I like to watch Amy Polar's podcast. Oh yeah, like I I will text Jasmina every single episode because somehow Amy Polar will ask the guest, what woo-woo practices do you and it doesn't matter who it is. And I'm like, how did she get there without any? Like, it's one of those like one-two, and like there it comes. Some people are super into this conversation, but it's really funny because yes, there is such a disparaging light using that phrase to go into a conversation, but you want someone to be on the same level. So I I love this. What would you ask people to rebrand it as or rename it as instead of woo-woo? Like, what should we be saying?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I mean, like we can reframe it as mind-body practices, we can reframe it as like traditional cultivative practices. Uh, what sort of regulatory or like somatic practices do you gravitate to? And sometimes, you know, we find ourselves in a position where we have to say woo because we don't, uh many folks don't really know what we're pointing at or trying to describe. And that that is somewhat of a pain point. Um, but it also uh makes it clear for someone. And so, you know, I think that this is something that I would love to like poke at and and like try in describing to other folks who probably aren't as open to this and see what lands best. And I I really have been trying because like, you know, I'll get I'll get older folks who approach me um and they're like, you know, I've been following you on Instagram and like I'm really trying to get your philosophy, but I don't understand it. And I find myself quite honestly like falling back into very similar patterns and just like, oh, you know, like it's a little woo, and like, and I'm like, oh, there it is again. But it's something that they understand. And I'm hoping that the more that we speak on it and the more that we we allow people access to it, be uh and make it more accessible for people to not just see it as like something mystical and like esoteric far away from them. Um, we can make it something that is just everyday help, like which is exactly what it was like for our indigenous, for our indigenous indigenous brothers and sisters. So uh all that to say, I don't know what to call it. What would you call it?
SPEAKER_02:I run into this a lot when I'm reading um people's palms because where I work, um when I work in person, sometimes I'll be reading for people who are just there for fun. Yeah, which is fine and great. And so it might not be like in their day-to-day. And there are lines that speak to like what your spiritual practices are and where your spiritual learning is. And sometimes the word spiritual can really it can be triggering for people, it can turn them off. And so I I always find myself saying, like, you know, the spiritual things or emotionally regulating things that whether you're spiritual, you're doing them and they make you feel right with yourself. Usually people are like, okay, but it's like takes a whole sentence to get there.
SPEAKER_00:Right. Right. But what does that say about us as a society where we like have to we have to like talk around it, right? Like we have to like point around it and then hope that somebody lands. Yeah. And even the thing that they have the the most clarity on is the sort of like distorted understanding of what it really is. Yeah. And that this is why like I love that you both are are taking up space in this way and allowing uh fellow healers too to like to be able to chat about this because it's so important that we it's it's part of our humanity, and yet we don't even know what to talk, what to call it, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but that's good to talk about it.
SPEAKER_01:Um oh yeah, you were gonna say oh no, I was gonna say, you know, uh one thing with you two, and we we you never even touched on this in your bio that you just gave us, but you're also an artist, and one of your big languages that you love to communicate in is art. And I think that that's such a significant way to to do things without words, and sometimes there are no words for the things that we're doing.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, yes. I um so something that I started, I'm this is going to be a little bit of a long story, but I hope that it's interesting enough. So when I first started in Chinese medical school, um, we had to learn how to read pulses. And reading pulses is more like listening for textures in feeling someone's pulse. Um, and for me, I'm a really visual learner. And the words that they were using to describe the pulses were like slippery or wiry or choppy, which makes sense to me, but it was easier for me to draw out someone's pulse to understand like the whole. And I found that after doing this for so long, I started not just to uh sketch out someone's pulse, but also like the texture of their energy. And it was always something like as an aside for me, where like I would have my regular soap notes and then I would put it on the back of the soap notes or something so that it looked innocuous or like nobody really knew what it was. They just looked like scribbles. Um, but it always gave me context for the patient. And as I continued in my practice, I actually ended up um going into abstract art as a way to regulate myself, as a way to like help with my nervous system and holding space for other folks. And it's become this really beautiful cultivative practice for me. It's like a litmus test of like um how in line am I with my guides and my intuition, or am I like painting from a place of um, oh, I wonder what somebody thinks about this. Oh, I wonder if uh if this would like fit somewhere, if that makes sense. Anyway, that aside, we're going on a long journey. Um after really getting into art, I started bringing a lot of those techniques into my medicine as well, because it just felt really organic. And I found that when I was holding space for folks um virtually, it was really helpful to be able to show them their energetic body. Because like I I could tell someone so many ways, like, oh yes, your your aura is this color and it has like the texture of like pricklies. But uh being able to draw it out really allows me to hone in in that space. So on one, in one end, it also like helps me get into that um that channeling space, but it also allows me to be able to communicate to my clients even clearer like this is where you're leaking, this is where you're holding all this shit, um, or like this is where your guides are pointing to. And that in turn allows them to be able to integrate it more as opposed to something that's like completely abstract. That is so cool.
SPEAKER_02:I just love so those are your um your energy maps, what that you do with the chakra um system. Oh, that's so gorgeous.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, thank you. That means so much to me. That like I I really love doing this for folks, particularly because like when I show it to them, there's like this this feeling of like I see what you're carrying, I see the space that you're holding. And it gives me goosebumps when I think about it because um I really don't think that people like realize how beautiful they are. Like, especially like spiritually speaking, we're always so concerned with like the physical self and like to really see your energetic body, I feel like there's there's a mirror that you haven't encountered yet. Um, and I don't know, it's just it's really moving for me to be able to hold space in that way. So it makes me happy that you connect with it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. How um how would you introduce this kind of healing uh to people who might be really new to it? Like, how might um people know that this is a good thing for them to do and why? And how do those remote energy sessions work? Like, I'm so curious about the diet, like the what's the word I'm looking for? The logistics of it.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. So like the protocol differs from person to person, it just really depends on what their spirit needs. Um, but basically, like the first half of the session is me sketching out um their energetic body and channeling notes from their guides and any like sort of things that I pick up. And the interesting thing is, is that like I really thought that uh when I first started, it would be mostly energetic downloads. Um, but a lot of my clinical background really filters through. And so like their guides will often give me like physical ailments as well. So it's like, oh, maybe frozen shoulder question mark, maybe like three months long. Oh, it's connected to this fascial, uh, this fascial uh combo, or like um a chain rather. And sometimes I'll get like uh heaviness, let's say in the sacral chakra, and it will be related to kind of cological issues. And those are things that like the guides and the feelings within my own body uh is able to uh to pinpoint. And being able to give that context to someone's energetics can can really help because oftentimes these folks are like, yeah, I've had this for like three years, I don't know what to do with it, I've done everything physical. Um, but being able to give context for the physical, but also like the energetic thing that may be contributing to it uh really helps people get to the root of what's going on.
SPEAKER_02:I hope that that makes sense. It does, yeah. As someone with like mystery chronic illnesses, too, I'm like, oh wow, like yes, this is so cool.
SPEAKER_00:I I often get folks who have who have done everything under the sun. And the thing is is that I don't um I don't negate lab tests also. Like there there are some folks where they will send me their lab results and we'll we'll look at it, but even that requires intuition, right? Because like especially if uh if it's something that um has been patterned and your doctors can uh have found it to be inconclusive, you have to be able to think in different ways outside of that.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, absolutely, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But yeah, that's uh that's usually the first half. So the first half is I draw out and I do channeled notes. Um and then during that time, if there are chords or like energy that is ready to be cleared, then I will do that too. So I do uh medical qigong remotely in order to help hold space for that. And then afterwards we jump on a call. And I really it's so important for me for folks to one, understand what's going on with them, but two, like actually have the tools to know what the F to do once once they have this information. Um, so we go in depth. I go through every single thing, like, hey, your guys are showing me this, this is what's coming up. There's a memory that's coming through that they want you to to pay attention to. Um, hey, maybe you should eat more of this and perhaps take more vitamin D3. Um, but also um watch your sleep, you know, that sort of thing. So it's uh the the consult and the session tends to be something that's incredibly like holistic in that we go through everything energetic, spiritual, emotional, down to the nitty-gritty physical, if it is relevant.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, I can attest to this firsthand and say that, you know, we talked about so much, but then, you know, on the on a very personal energetic level to kind of have this well, you know, you're kind of burning through, and I'm gonna say the wrong thing, dopamine. You really need to start taking more GABA supplements. You need to like balance this back and forth that you have going on because energetically you're experiencing time in this way, or like you're like trying to intuit so many things, and it has made such a difference, and I really have felt it. So I I love that. And I think too, you know, going into this energy piece, into this the guides, so many people are disconnected from who their ancestors might be or who their guides might be. So tell us a little bit about that. How you work with your guides, how you work with the guides of others. Both you and Jasmina have connected with my guides, they're quite loud. So you look embarrassed.
SPEAKER_00:It's really, it really depends. So the way that my guides uh started with me, they were candid spirits that I felt were around and they felt more like guardians and protectors. And as I grew into my medicine, I realized that they were also willing to help hold space with me. And so for very many years, they were the ones who were like running, running interference for me, basically. With people were coming in with really heavy energies. Um, it's not just me processing, it's me working with my guides. They're holding space to keep me safe and holding space for my patient to also be safe. Um, is similarly, I like being able to speak to my clientslash patients guides so they can also feel replenished and nourished in a session. Um, and there's a there's a sort of um disconnect that happens when we are like really out of our bodies, right? Like we get our downloads, but we don't know who's telling us, we don't know if it's clear, we don't even know if it's beneficial. But when you start to regulate the nervous system, we start to find clarity in that. And the beautiful thing is that the frequency of the spirit guides and the person starts to sync up. And so there's a really beautiful thing that happens when you like let somebody's guides know and you start helping them on the physical level, and suddenly it's like ding, okay, cool. Now, oh, is that what you meant? And so I the way that I like to uh hold space for folks is to one teach them to learn clarity within their own body first and then start to expand into the guides that they they possibly have. Um, but to also know, and I tell this to everyone, like you don't have to if it doesn't feel right.
SPEAKER_02:That's such a nice segue into that question, which you know, sometimes people are scared of what they might hear. It's can it's scary to be seen sometimes. What might you say to someone who would like to do it, but is maybe feeling a little scared of what they might um receive from the work?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And, you know, I really ask folks to really hold space and to listen to that fear too, not to say like to amplify it or to increase fear-mongering. Um, but it's one of the steps that we have to take in order to understand like this sort of dialogue with our inner selves, right? Because like a lot of times we feel things and we override it and we say, oh, that's not important. And if this is happening um and there's like a there's like an activation that happens when you're trying to work with guides, one we have to honor it. We have to consider like, is there past trauma, uh, whether it be religious or spiritual trauma, that stop me from being able to have um a regulated experience in this? Um, is it because the guide is unsafe? Um, is it because I am not feeling safe physically so that I'm projecting this fear onto there? Um, always being able to uh discern and differentiate is so important before adding in more voices, I think. So in the case of someone like afraid of what they might hear, it's like, girl, honestly, like it ain't anything you don't know. Like you got that internal voice that's already calling you out on stuff, and you're pretty like we we're pretty in tune to it most of the time. Uh, but it's like the interference of noise that tells us that it's not correct. And so it's an opportunity to click in, understand like, why am I resistant to this message? What am I so afraid of hearing?
SPEAKER_01:That and that really resonates with me because I think that we keep coming back to this idea about self-discovery, about being curious, but then that resistance that somehow logic overrides everything intuitive or you know, intellect, or we have to have some sort of scientific reason that emotional and intuitive cues are not enough, even though they're probably screaming at us by the time that we get to you, Kathleen. So what I love is that your social media sort of works as a bridge, right? It's sort of sort of like that entry level of like, come into my world. Here's illustrations of what I do, here's how I talk about the healing that I do. And and truly, besides being aesthetically beautiful, your social media is so prolific in the way that you talk about healing, you talk about right relationship, you set people at ease about exactly where you stand. So, how have you curated such a beautiful account? I I really find it so valuable and I share a lot of things that you have.
SPEAKER_00:That is so kind, truly. Like, I feel thank you so much. Um, that's deeply affirming because so much love goes into that feed. Um, and I I can't get behind something that I don't believe in and that I don't practice myself. And if I'm going to be putting representations of myself out there, like energetically, it has to have integrity, it has to be congruent with what's going on internally. Because if it doesn't, it just doesn't land. Like people, I think that people are a lot more energetically sensitive than than they realize, where they feel the inauthenticity. Um, and my hope too is that like that consistency of authenticity is is healing and it can be recognized so that when they find other accounts or like other um, how do you say? Noisemakers that perhaps may be running distraction, they they understand, hey, something's not right with this. Um, I need to question it. Oh, yeah, we love that.
SPEAKER_01:We won't get too deep into that. We no, we love that because we see a lot and say, yikes.
SPEAKER_00:So uh yeah. I mean, not just from healers, right? From everywhere. And the the core of the um creation on Instagram truly is like I have to love it. I have to love talking about it. Um, it's stuff that I nerd out on, and um, usually what comes up in my own personal practice. And I, you know, like I've tried doing like content plans, I've tried doing like marketing pushes on there, and it just doesn't feel right. I I create when it feels important to speak out on. And the things that I put towards it are 100% my own art, you know, and that makes it exciting for me because it it gives me a vehicle to be able to share more than just information, but to also like allow you to feel like what the message is supposed to be like.
SPEAKER_02:It really comes through as so personally thoughtful. Yeah. Thank you. It's a really wonderful thing. And we also love to ask, what are your own personal divination and healing tools? Like, what is your personal practice? Like you share a good amount with us already, but we'll have a deep dive.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, yes. Um, oh gosh, it depends on how much anxiety I have, you know. Oh relatable. Like if I if I'm like emotionally regulated, like a ping from my guides, I'm like, yeah, I got this. And then like, you know, another week when I'm like, what the hell is happening in this fing world? And I'm like, tarot cards, crystals, the e-jing. So like I I'm sure that you also relate. But for me, like tarot um is something that feels really, really accessible to me. I love it because of the archetypes that come up. There's always something, there's like a deep current that that flows through it that I feel allows it to be a beautiful mirror to where we are. Um and then as far as divination goes, that's really like tarot is my main gig when it comes to divination. But um, I have a lovely friend who I recently received a an Armenian um coffee reading from. And I I'm gonna be working with her a little bit more for some collabs, but the the thought of the I forget the name of it. And I'm so sorry if I'm it's it's a it's a blank mancy, it's like a pteromancy. Oh, tassiomancy, yeah. I what it what is it? Tassiomancy. Tessiomancy, yes. I I really love that. Um, because I feel like uh it feels really grounding and it feels more, how do you say, like culturally connected for me, especially like with the relationship to tea and coffee grounds. Anyway, uh without getting too deep into that, those are my my two my two jams lately. But I'd love to hear what you all love to do for yourselves because you hold space for so many folks.
SPEAKER_02:I I often use a lot of the same tools I use with clients. I um do tarot, palm, tea leaf reading. Like I love Tassiomancy too. It's like a big part of my upbringing and a big part of Romani spirituality. And I just love it so much. Um, and dream divination is definitely something I do for others, and that's uh a big kroma thing too. But fire reading I often do for myself, fire and smoke reading. I don't offer it for clients currently, and it's something that is just my own practice, as well as um reading with playing cards currently that I only do that for myself, and that's also like a deep family thing.
SPEAKER_00:That's wonderful. I love that. I I'm very interested in the flame reading because like I um lineage-wise, I know that my great-grandmother did it, but I never learned it for myself. And I find it's really fascinating to be able to see this. Like, okay, this is a little bit of a tangent, but did you by any chance see like that old plantation in Louisiana burning? Yes. Oh my gosh. Okay. I just I wanted the tea from like everyone there because there were so many, like there were so many downloads. But um what may I ask what you saw in there?
SPEAKER_02:Um, I just it felt vengeance like, like it was just like burn it down, like it looked like this powerful energy moving through, just destroying something that just shouldn't be revered and it, you know, shouldn't be aesthetic. And that's because I remember seeing like faces in the smoke, and I I wasn't the only person who noticed that. I know.
SPEAKER_00:No, it was it was very, very apparent. Um what about you? What did you see there? Oh my goodness. I I just remember seeing it and I didn't have any context for it, and I immediately got goosebumps. And I because it really looked, I had to double check it because I thought that it had been an altered photo, um, simply because of the the human presences in there. Like they were just like faces that were and they looked they like they had an opinion. Yeah. And so that was my first um my first little foray into that. Um, and being able to like hear your feedback and then like the hundreds of folks that that also like spoke on about it, it was really fascinating to see how we all um we all saw like this through line. And it it's really affirmative because it's just like, okay, so that wasn't just projection, because that's definitely what I saw there.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it was it was powerful. I also saw beadwork uh that someone I someone had posted. I I want to say someone posted that their grandmother did beadwork, but I might be editorializing or like filling in what I don't remember. But I I mean I love people's responses to it artistically, intellectually, like it's so fascinating.
SPEAKER_00:That is so cool. I would on on a on a separate level, I would love to hear more about your Romani um uh background and and the medicine that you practice because I the traditional um the traditional medicine that comes through that lineage is so powerful, and I don't think that it gets enough uh love and and how do you say just kudos. I don't know, like I'm not making any sense, but like I just don't think that you all get enough credit. Truly, because there's so much like botanical medicine that comes out of that lineage, too. And there's so much that we've all like Western herbalists have uh appropriated that I would really love to understand um the original context.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I'm a huge fan of um Jenaline Um Joseph's who is an Ayurvedic and Romani herbalist. She has Sostomos uh health, I think it's called, or just Sostimos. And um, we quote her in our book, Secrets of Romani Fortune Telling. I can send it to you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I love yay. I could like I literally could nerd out with you both like all day because I'm trying to like contain all of my like ADD tinglys.
SPEAKER_02:Oh my god, we would love that.
SPEAKER_01:We yeah, we would love that. And I love like listening to everyone talk about herbalism because I feel so far removed from the earthy kind of practices, so it gives me a little bit of confidence every time I have some sort of information. So I was like, okay, who who is this new person I need to I need to start looking up and researching?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, well, I mean, like, you know, herbalism is supposed to be like for the people, and it's supposed to be like really down home stuff that you should be able to to make originally like in your kitchen, um, and being able to use food as medicine. And then all of the other fancy stuff is just like once you know, like, oh yeah, this herb does that, this herb does that. Oh, I bet it would be even better with these two. And you just start building uh building formulas from there.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I love that. It's like the real gag of witchcraft is that you don't need to spend any money on all these crystals and you know, this and that. It's like you really, it's very much at home and what you have and like the power that you already have inside of you.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah. That's really fucking cool.
SPEAKER_01:We love that. We love that. Oh, you know what? Before we go, let us know how can people support your work? How can they find you? And what are you working on? What's next for you that you can share with us?
SPEAKER_00:Ooh, okay. So on the energy medicine front, I take a limited amount of um energy medicine sessions every month. And so I release those at the beginning of the month. Um, and you can find announcements for that on my IG at acupuncture, or you can send me a DM. And if there's a wait list, I put you on there and I you get to be the first to know um whenever I open up slots. And you can find a community and some cool nerding out on energy medicine and spiritual practices and traditional medicines on my Patreon. Don't call it woo. Uh, and then what else? On the art front, I have I am working with um an Italian brand, an Italian fashion brand to be dropping a uh uh line of clothing in December and winter. So I don't know when this is gonna hit, but I can't I can't say the name yet. Um but it's gonna be really fun. And um the concept of the line truly is to be able to put my energy maps onto clothing uh and patterns so that it's protective and energetic for the wearer and the I'm nerding out.
SPEAKER_01:Is it printed on the garments? Is it in Tarja? What are we expecting?
SPEAKER_00:I believe that it is going to be full printed. And so the um the material is 100% Italian linen. Uh all the buttons are gonna be like uh abalone, and it's only it's made locally in Italy, I believe in Milan specifically. And um, each one of the pieces are going to be numbered like an art piece. Wow. And uh they they have my sign off on each one of them, which is really, really cool. And so it's uh an extension of the art, yes, but also the medicine. So I'm very excited to see like these beautiful energy maps like out in the world, like being in the wild.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I have to say, if you've never worked in uh fashion or garment production before, the first time you see someone in the wild wearing something that you've touched is it is that's magic. It's electrifying that feeling. I it and it never goes away. So I can't wait for you to be in Italy, to be in Milan, and see someone just randomly wearing your garment because it really is magical and it's so energetic. So I love this for you and I love this for you.
SPEAKER_00:I'm probably gonna toss them and they'd be like, take my things.
SPEAKER_01:You'll be trying to say in Italian, you know, I designed this, this is my art. I love it, I love it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, thank you so much for sharing with us today. It was such a pleasure to sit with you, and we're so excited for people to dive even deeper into your work. You do beautiful things out here.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you, Jasnina. It's such a pleasure to speak to you both. And, you know, like anytime that we healers can get together and talk shit, it makes my heart so happy. It truly like fills my heart. So thank you for holding space with me.
SPEAKER_01:I love you so much. Thank you so much for being here.
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