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Immaterial World
A dedicated and transparent space to re-center how we explore glamour, fashion, magic, wellness, culture, and everything else we love, together.
hosted by Jessica Richards and Jezmina Von Thiele
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EVIDENCE OF MAGIC with Holy Crow
Holy Crow is a multidisciplinary artist and fortune-teller, best known for their magical and macabre handmade jewelry. In illustration, photography, and assemblage, their visual landscapes are playgrounds of unmade or forgotten worlds for outcasts, monsters, and wanderers as seen in The Toast, The Princeton Review, Rain Taxi, and DapperQ.
They curate vintage and antique treasures resonant with their passion for natural science, occult history, gender liberation, hauntology, and vintage fashion and are set to open their first store, a sanctuary for art, relics, and magic in Marblehead, Massachusetts in 2025.
In this episode, they share how to work with the energies of antique and vintage items, designing magical jewelry, and curating for the curious in their new shop.
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SPEAKER_02:Best known for their magical and macabre handmade jewelry. In illustration, photography, and assemblage, their visual landscapes are playgrounds of unmade or forgotten worlds for outcasts, monsters, and wanderers, as seen in The Toast, The Princeton Review, Rain Taxi, and Dapper Q. They curate vintage and antique treasures resonant with their passion for natural science, occult history, gender liberation, ontology, and vintage fashion, and are set to open their first door, a sanctuary for art, relics, and magic in Marblehead, Massachusetts in 2025.
SPEAKER_03:Whew! Okay, the vibes. The vibes this week. Are you feeling them?
SPEAKER_04:Yes, it is a very, it is a very eclipse portal portal.
SPEAKER_03:It truly is. And you know, I have so many of my friends and colleagues' birth charts at this point that I am just like secretly checking for those Pisces placements. Although I will say this, and I just want to be super clear to the listener that at the time of this recording, we are in the middle of this eclipse portal. And the only people that I think are really truly hanging in there are the ones with Pisces placements. Everyone else is acting like a Pisces right now. Like the crashing out, emotional, no boundaries. It's it's really, you know, open season out there. But the Pisces are hanging in there. So me, the Pisces, 12th Tus Stellium, you the Pisces moon, we've we've got this.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, no, I while it's crazy, I also feel comfortable. So this is we're recording on September 15th, and this will probably come out in October. So future us will be on the other side of the portal, forever changed.
SPEAKER_03:I love the thought of being on the other side of this, but I'm really excited for our guest today, who I think feels vibes more than anyone I've ever met before. Would you not agree?
SPEAKER_05:I absolutely agree. One could say that it's their whole job.
SPEAKER_03:It is vibes, Nancy. Literally, literally the vibes, Nancy of it all.
SPEAKER_05:So, Holy Crow, would you like to introduce yourself to our listeners who may not have been introduced to you before?
SPEAKER_00:Holy Crow is art, design, and evidence of magic. Um, and funny enough, the the kind of the goal when I first started making jewelry, and the reason that I chose evidence of magic as part of my tag is that I wanted to find legitimately magical objects and put them in people's hands who may have never held something like that before and just open a conversation about it. Um and so I got my start with jewelry making, um, making pieces inspired from uh my Italian grandmother. She was the only queen in the family. She's the only one who required fancy dresses and fancy jewelry and loved going out, loved getting drunk, loved getting going out dancing. She on New Year's Eve, she used to call me a lush. She was just such a treasure. And um, you know, of course, she gave me a charm bracelet. It's very traditional to give a charm bracelet to a kid when you're like 12 or so. And um, and I and she also classic Italian, she's Sicilian, but classic Italian necklace that has all the little saint charms and things like that hanging. And I did not grow up Catholic, but you know, so all of my experience of Catholicism was really through her and uh through the family, but kind of from an outsider perspective. Um, my dad went through 16 years of Cal Catholic schooling and was like, nope. And so we became witches. And um, it's actually a very natural progression. There's only two choices.
SPEAKER_03:There really are only two choices, or third, which is you're both at the same time.
SPEAKER_00:Totally. Um and so, like, you know, as a young child, I remember like looking at her magical necklace that had my grandfather's wedding ring on it and a little charm from Venezuela when she took a cruise by herself to Venezuela, which I thought was so brave. Um, her, she was a Pisces, so she always had her Pisces charm on there. And um, and then thinking about the charm bracelet. And so I got my start sort of making literal charm bracelets. That's what I called them. So I took your traditional charms, but I would make them themed on, you know, protection magic or forest magic or, you know, um something else. And I would combine them and looked for gems and beads and all kinds of things to combine to make. And so, like over time, you know, um, I've just hunted down like more and more objects that I get a very strong vibe from. And um, it's sort of become something that is just so normal to me, but I recognize it's not necessarily how people consciously relate to their environment. And um so, you know, as I'm now opening a shop in Marblehead, um, I'm thinking more about, you know, I'm expanding to antiques and I'm expanding to vintage and of course more handmade and a lot of vintage upcycled objects and that sort of thing. And so, you know, I'm always thinking about, you know, the vibrations of the objects, the things we're saying. How can we invite magic into our everyday lives? How can we invite, you know, into the way that we live, you know, incorporate it. And also just from a practical standpoint, you know, there are so many objects that are just getting going to get thrown in the trash. And it's, you know, so I'm constantly figuring out what is plentiful that people don't really value anymore that can be repurposed, reused, recontextualized, made important again, you know, um, keep it in circulation. And uh in part because I don't want us to lose our history, you know, um, you know, and to be able to create an object that you then add to the to the history of the piece and then put it back out again, that's that's very satisfying to me. So that's a lot of what drives my work. I don't know, that's a long intro.
SPEAKER_03:I that's okay. I have some questions already. Story of your grandmother, which is amazing. How did you move into a space where you were sourcing and creating and and knew that that would be your path? And I also, this is sort of a two-dual question. What's how do you recognize that you have this ability to sense the energy in an object? Was that a surprise to you, or have you always had this ability?
SPEAKER_00:So I would say I've always had that ability. And also, I was just a baby witch from day one. So I grew up with magic, and it's always been this huge drive to figure out why I can do these things? How does it work? Where does it come from? Are there other people like me? You know, um, what can I do with it? What can I contribute with it? And um, so you know, I definitely would try to test my abilities, um, you know, experiment from an early age, like, can I get anything from this? Why do certain things feel so yucky in the hand? You know, why? Like sometimes they just do. You just feel gross. Or there are things at this point. I I do know why, but you know, but at that point I'd be like, why is that a thing? And why would it be because you know, going into an antique store is a great way to test your psychic ability if you're sensitive to it. You can walk around. Sometimes you feel absolutely nothing. The energy is just dull, like this item has been forgotten and left alone for a long time. Sometimes you pick something up and then you're like, oh my gosh, this was somebody's favorite thing, and you can see how much they loved it and all the little sweet worn places on it where it was loved and adored. And then some things you're like, cursed, cursed. You're not engaged, don't do it.
SPEAKER_05:People get so worried about the cursed items. People are a legit nerd, but you know, I always like to joke too that I mean sweatshop uh energy with fast fashion and newly um mint is has got to be worse. I'd rather have a haunted object, I think.
SPEAKER_00:You know, there's always like a degree, and to have something that's actually for real, literally cursed in a way that is gonna bring you bad luck, that's pretty rare if possible. But in this case, I'm sort of like, you know, there are many items from the past that you just literally are like, wow, okay, great. I don't want to touch that. I don't want that in my life. So, you know, um, but yeah, uh and you know, then partially I got into sourcing weird things for two reasons. One, I named the business Holy Crow. So everything is themed on finding crow treasure. You know, um, everybody knows that if you're nice to crows, they give you gifts. And so um I was channeling the scavenger magic of crows um in the way that I make my pieces. So, you know, um bones, crows scavenge bones, crows scavenge shiny things, crows scavenge, um, you know, like they want to give something precious to people who are nice to them. And that's how I feel too, that I like to give something precious to people. And I feel like I see the best of people behind the table too. Um, and I I love that. I love my customers, they're amazing. You know, I love people who are drawn to looking at magic and looking at treasure. And there are many people who walk up and they just go, whoa, they can absolutely feel all of the eye pieces, and that's always really special too. Um but yeah, I so I started scavenging really early. And um, I'm also one of my favorite artists is Joseph Cornell. He's amazing. He does um, you know, like boxes that are all little mini worlds. He loved space, so he's very inspired by planetary things, and it was very cool because uh the the of you know, like launching NASA and going to the moon and got to witness that in his life time, which I think is so cool because it was like a lifetime love, and he got to just see that arc across his lifetime. Um, but he absolutely inspired his magic is finding little bits, little writing them to tell a story. Um, you know, MPR did a story on him once, and they were like, you know, poets are just like rubbing themselves on the corner of the couch over him. So incredibly poet-brain-minded, you know, just like incredibly, you know, delicious the way that he puts everything together. And it's very true. It's like, you know, I just love his his the way that he does that. So, you know, um the when I started out, I thought I was gonna be more illustration and photography focused. But when I started putting my jewelry out, it was just, it just went crazy. People loved it. So it just kind of took off. And, you know, with jewelry, you get to have a discreet end to your work. With a painting, I feel like it's never finished and it will drive me crazy forever, you know. Um, and that with jewelry, I get to be done and I sell it and it's done and it's out. So I love that about jewelry is that it's so it's a lot more like cooking. I'm like, oh, what a delicious meal, eat it next. You know, it can be more temporary and more zen-like to just sit and make something fabulous and put it out, sell it, it's gone. That's that. So um, yeah, I think that you know, it it really relates on a lot of different fronts. And, you know, I I also just I think because I'm somebody who extenses energy from objects, I'm very driven to learn about the world through objects. So I love getting my hands on something really unique and feeling it and thinking about how it was used and then learning about the historical context and learning about how important it was to the person who would have owned it at the time. How much money would it have cost them? How much work would it have been, you know? Um, like, you know, uh coming from the Italian side, the generation that set up the house bought the full household of things for my grandmother when she got married. And that was passed down to me. You do it one time, you take care of your stuff the whole time. When she moved into a nursing home, she still had the original boxes for almost everything she owned. You know, she kept her little sweatsuits in pristine condition, even though she spilled red sauce on them like every freaking day. Completely magical. Don't know how she did it. Um, so yeah, I so yeah, that's just kind of like how my brain works. That's how it relates to all the objects. I love learning about the history.
SPEAKER_05:How would you recommend people get started checking the energy of an object if they haven't tried it before? Whether or not listeners you feel like you can pick up a vibe or not, like how would you suggest people try it for the first time or maybe try it with more intention?
SPEAKER_00:Well, you know, honestly, getting energy from an object is not necessarily the easiest place to start. It depends. If that's your thing, if that's the way that you sense things, that's great. But that is only one of the ways that I sense things. So it's uh it's part of a whole like wide schmorgish board of psychic techniques. So, you know, one of the classic ways that I used to teach people to sort of start with energy is to do candle meditations, just work on trying to raise the flame and lower the flame and raise the flame and lower the flame. Um see what happens, you know, see what happens when you start talking to that flame and raising and lowering it. If you can do that, um, if you have an object that you think has some kind of vibe on it, um, or somebody told you that there's a vibe, then you can use a pendulum to sense the energy. That's a great way to get started. Uh, really, you anything could be a pendulum, um, but you can buy them pretty cheaply. It's just something heavy on the end of a chain or a string. And basically, um you can use them to answer questions, but you can also use them to see how energy is moving. And so people use them over the different chakras in the body to tell whether your chakra is open or closed, and if it's overactive, underactive, that kind of thing. So they will react if something is putting out an energy, uh a chi of some kind. Another thing you can do is um you can just simply cleanse it if you don't want something that has a charge. Some things cleanse very easily, some things cleanse less easily. Um, we can get into that too. But you know, a simple cleanse, like let's just say from a very practical standpoint, you get something used and it belonged to somebody else. And obviously, once you wash it, you're removing dust, DNA, like whatever was sitting on it physically. So do that physically, you physically wash the object. If it's a dish or something, you can wash it with dish dish soap. If it's clothing, you launder it. But then you want to repeat that on an energetic level. So the second, so you physically clean it and then you energetically clean it. And um, you can do that in a variety of different ways. If you know how to move energy, you can cleanse it using an energy technique. Um, if you are less sure, you can also use a smoke cleanse. A smoke cleanse is a great way to disrupt energies and remove anything. But your third option is to simply uh live with it, you know, like you can get to know it. I mean, in my opinion, if something has mysteriously gained some kind of personality or consciousness, then I don't necessarily want to leap to removing it just because it might be kind of scary to you. Um, I wouldn't, I wouldn't leap to just absolutely like, you know, trapping and killing an animal if it was invading my home either. And so, you know, you think about that, like whether it's something that you can simply just allow to exist. If it makes you uncomfortable, maybe somebody else will want to live with it. If nobody wants to live with it, that's another thing.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, I was gonna say, I feel like, you know, even before you you get there, right? There's so many people that are shopping vintage that never shopped before, or they're shopping antiques. And I feel that there is a hesitation because they're afraid to encounter an energy, even if they don't sense it, that that might be one step prohibiting them from having the comfort level to shop in that market. So, what would you say to someone who may might already be coming into this a little bit afraid? You know, what would what would assure them?
SPEAKER_00:Well, the great thing is that all of our objects will be witch checked and witch approved. So you absolutely stay through shop with us, and we will guarantee um, we will tell you whether we think there's anything attached to an object and you know what it feels like in the description. Um, in general, I think that people get very concerned about demonic attachments and that a lot of that comes from the Warrens and the contouring universe. Um, and those guys were really like pandering to the Catholic Church and really fear-mongering to make a buck. Um, it's just they're still doing it right now. They're trekking, they're taking Annable out on the road right now. Um, and I think they had a little procession with an exorcist and stuff going into the hotel to make a big deal out of it. I think they're keeping her in a cage. I mean, I personally I apologize to the people. I know this is an unpopular opinion because the conjuring universe can be very fun, but I don't I don't really support the Warrens viewpoints.
SPEAKER_03:Do we don't think that she's haunted, Annabelle?
SPEAKER_00:We do think Um I I don't know whether Annabelle is haunted or not because I haven't encountered her in person. But what I do think is that the Warrens were very complicated people who have a real dark side to them, and that they were making a lot of money from fear mongering, and that um there are a lot of alternate theories about what happened in Amityville and some of the other locations.
SPEAKER_05:It's worth looking into, listeners, if you're curious. Just there's a lot wrapped up in the court case and like a lot of other dealings.
SPEAKER_03:And I ask because I think that someone purchased that doll recently and something happened to him. That's why Yeah, he died. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had a heart attack after present. Yeah, yes. That's why I, you know, I respect the the thought of energies that are attached to things, and I would just not dolls are particularly prone to being occupied.
SPEAKER_00:And uh, why is that? Because they are a form and a vessel for intelligence, that's what they're designed to be. Yeah, and I can imagine used magically, and even if Annabelle wasn't haunted to begin with, from a magical theory perspective, it's incredibly likely that they could have called something in simply from telling the story over and over again in front of her. That being said, uh, you know, the Marie Laveau doll in New Orleans I have met, and you have to ask permission to take her picture. And if you don't, her face shows up angry in the photos, and it happens over and over again.
SPEAKER_05:Hmm. Interesting. Yeah, dolls are so fascinating too. So attached to them too. Like that's right. You put pour a lot of energy into them. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Even if you're not intentionally using them magically, yeah, and and I think we also project onto dolls in a different way. You know, we put our own energy into them because they do look human. So it's easier to imagine them as a conscious being, it's easier to name them, it's easier to create a personality for them. That is a magical ritual.
SPEAKER_03:This is so fascinating to think about as someone sort of on the outside of this, because it makes so much sense. And I think of you know, somebody using a doll, carrying it around, you know, using it for comfort, really projecting a lot of energy into this. Ooh, okay. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And for that reason, too, sometimes you get wonderful vibes off of things. Like, actually, this is a great time to mention. So, holy crow, you found beautiful portraits of little Romani children, which I have on my wall behind me. And they have the best energy ever. And I would love for you to share how you found those and like what that was like to feel such good energy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, those were from an auction, and um, you know, it was uh these were originally created in the 40s as part of a series. The person was hired, um, she was an illustrator working in New York for an illustration, you know, firm, and she was hired to do children of the world. So it's especially special that they were Spanish, they were supposed to be Spanish Romani children in the 40s, you know, depicted in such a positive light, given uh if if the Nazi regime.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:That's right. Yeah, if you're if your listeners don't already know, you know, Roma were targeted um during the Nazi regime, uh, you know, and during the Holocaust. And there was a lot of racism. There's still it. So it was just really amazing because they had really incredible energy on them. And there were other items from Eastern Europe in the home, and they very clearly didn't belong to the people who are currently living there. It was like an older person, their family. They had a book about Roma, they had um little beaded purses, little hand-painted uh boxes, and so it was really neat. I was like, ooh, what if, you know, what if there was somebody who was either from Eastern Europe and was Roma or, you know, just very friendly towards Roma um living there. And I thought that was very special, but they had such a positive energy that I just really wanted to give them to you rather rather than selling them because um I just felt like they were special. And even though these particular items, you can find them very easily. They, you know, those illustrations abound. I've seen other ones in person, they didn't have the same energy though. These were very loved, these were loved and adored, they were appreciated, and you could feel it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, when you handed them to me and you were like, feel the energy. I like I felt that like cherished energy off of it. And I was like, oh, this is so beautiful. And so, I mean, I love I love the advice you gave about cleansing objects because sometimes, even if you're not sure if you feel anything, it might make you feel good to just give something a cleanse and be like cool, fresh and new. But I'm like, I would never cleanse these. So I'm like, these are like bringing good energy into my home, which is a really cool part of what you do, like kind of circling back to your intro, is like you are finding objects either imbuing them or like choosing them for their natural energies and making something beautiful of them or like reselling them in like this very intentional way. And I would love to know more about like what is that combination of like research, because you're you also have like an encyclopedic knowledge of antiques, which I I love nerding out with you about these things. Like, what's that combination of like research?
SPEAKER_00:I'm always still learning.
SPEAKER_05:Of course, and that's what makes you so smart that you're always so learning. Um, yeah, that research, that energetic vibe, like tell us more about your process of like finding these.
SPEAKER_00:I am also somebody who can read energy from pictures, which is very helpful since I do a lot of my shopping online. So I do take a good look. Um, I also sometimes uh if I'm shopping on eBay, I'll check the person's other items to make sure that they don't have anything sketchy, you know, uh, because I want to get a sense of where it's all coming from, who am I giving money to? You know, I spend a lot of time thinking about that. And at auctions, you know, I'll go through and, you know, I'm evaluating for multiple things at once, but you know, sometimes something will just be very like, you know, will shine through. I do the same thing for like, you know, renting a place for vacations. I will vet it through pictures and we'll get the energy through the pictures and check on it. And um, you know, so I haven't done a lot of like using a pendulum on a map to locate things. That's happened a couple of times, but I do like to use if you if you're psychic, you gotta make it work for you, right? So um, but yeah, I I vet through the pictures. And then, you know, at a flea market, um, at this point, I have like a pretty strict sorting mechanism where my brain is just gonna like be zeroing in on certain things, you know. Ooh, this is gonna be good. This is gonna be good because I've been in it long enough. Um, I started working in vintage markets probably like seven years ago or something, um, and just started doing more pieces that had vintage components or vintage upcycles to justify it, but it was partially because I wanted to shop. And so because I'm in vintage markets all the time, I could walk around and I can wait for that one item out of thousands that will call to me that's special and buy one thing and be done. You know, it's a slow process. It's like, you know, very much the opposite of fast fashion when you're doing collecting and when you're, you know, looking for something really special because um, you know, like different different materials hold energy in different ways, you know, like we've already talked about dolls being different, but like paper generally doesn't hold energy very well. Um, I know everybody got very upset about Marie Kondo telling everyone to cut down on their total number of books, but she's literally a Shinto priestess. She's trained, she's a temple priestess. And so what she was really trying to teach us is that if you are not actively using your books, their qi will become dull. And that dullness affects your home. And so what she was doing is she was waking up the books, getting their qi moving again. And that was because she wanted to hate us about how living with objects affects us. How, you know, and and she wasn't saying like if you if you love and use a thousand books, have a thousand books. But if you're not using them, think about how that chi affects the overall flow of your home and how you relate to your home as an active spiritual organism that is working in partnership with you, you know. Uh and you know, if you talk to practitioners uh as much as we do in Jesuit, then you hear a lot about cleaning, you hear a lot about keeping your house cleansed and keeping the energy flowing and all the and letting light in and having plants. And why is that? Because all of those things affect your home. So, you know, books don't hold the energy. You can wake it back up, you know, like Marie Kondo, but um a paper, you know, unless it's handwritten, a signature. There are people who can read, do psychometry just from a signature. All they need is your signature, and also there are people who can do magic on you just from your signature. So keep that in mind and guard it. Um but yeah, things that are handwritten are different, but the paper itself doesn't necessarily hold it. So there's there's different sorts of things. Um, something that was used over and over and over again is gonna feel different, like old cook. Cooking tools that are worn smooth and you know have the oils from cooking and somebody's hands have been on them. That feels different, you know. And I I do think that you people pick up on this uh and just don't necessarily isolate it as part of your inf your sensory information. So we tend to get very overwhelmed when we're out shopping, but I can guarantee you that many of you are already thinking about these things when you're picking up objects, you're just not doing it consciously. So it's about just bringing that into your conscious, you know, thought thought process while you're shopping and being a little more intentional, saying, you know, what am I what am I bringing into my home? You know, how is this gonna help me? How is this gonna build an oasis for me? How is this gonna help contribute with my spiritual, you know, armor?
SPEAKER_05:I love that. I think you're so right. Because yeah, I mean, sometimes uh think of all the times people have been out shopping and you're just sort of drawn to something. It's like, yeah, you're you're interacting. Some of it's aesthetic, sure, but some of it is energetic.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And I think too, you know, with the focus being on conscious consumerism, especially around apparel, there's so much vintage shopping happening. What I find so interesting is there's a lot of fast fashion that's coming into that cycle now, which I feel like is super weird and energetically disruptive.
SPEAKER_00:As I I also feel that way. And I basically quit selling clothes because of it. Because the Y2K uh trend, I don't, you know, I totally understand the nostalgia aspect and some of the fun fashion aspects, but at the end of the day, it's sweatshop a lot of it. And, you know, uh what drew what always drew us to vintage back in the day was how beautiful the fabrics are and how well made things are, and you know, how they're built to last. And so one of the movements that I'm part of here, um, my lovely friends at high energy vintage in Somerville, uh, Jessine Shea Kill Collins has a business where she's teaching people how to do something called visible mending. And so what you do is if you have a vintage object, let's say that it has a little stain, has a little rip, then you embroider it, you know, to cover it up or to stitch it close, but you do it in a way where you're not trying to hide the fact that it's been repaired. You just include that. And all of a sudden your repair and your care of the object is now part of the history of that garment. And you've taken care of it and you've kept it in circulation and it can be passed down. And maybe there's another one, maybe somebody else who owns it in the future also has a little visible, visible mending stitch that goes into it at a later date. And um, and so she in this way she's able to keep so many garments out of the garbage. She actually keeps track of how many things she mends and visibly mends and upcycles in a year so she can see that she's making a difference. Um for those of us who deal in clothes, we're very aware that um the volume of clothes that goes to a thrift store largely ends up in the garbage. It does not get worn. So, you know, if you're considering should I donate clothes or should I give them away, try giving away to a neighbor. Join your buy nothing groups, try to give it to somebody directly, put together an exchange. I mean, if something's worn out, maybe you can use it as rags in your home and avoid using paper towels. You know, people used to wear their clothes down to rags until it couldn't be fixed anymore. And then they would take the rags and they would sell it to the ragman. And that way the garment would be completely used from start to finish. And um, when you think about how much cotton we used in our clothes, cotton is an incredibly waterthirsty plant. So it soaks up lots and lots and lots of water resources just to create the plant. And then we have sweatshop labor of people getting exploited and the manufacturing and the looming and and all of that. And so you put it all together, and the net result is that those types of clothes end up really being a big drain, and then they end up in the landfill. So we're we're all working to encourage everybody to think about, you know, how can we buy something that's vintage that does have a little personality? And if it has a little rip, just fix it up, let's keep it going, you know. Um, you know, she teaches how to darn socks. Nobody talks about those anymore, but you can you can get a little darning kit and you could darn your socks and sew those little holes shut that show up and keep them going longer. Um, it's not just thrifty. I mean, it happens to be thrifty. Like obviously, remember when uh hotels all of a sudden figured out that they could um say, you know, oh, reuse your towels and help the environment because it's harder for them. And they were like, We got this, we're doing it. We're gonna it definitely has no bearing in all of the margin, the cost margin or anything. Um, but you know, like, but it does happen to be economical as well. Because when you buy a good garment, I mean, I have pieces in my collection uh for for vintage clothes that I've had for over 20 years that same hold up, they hold up, they last, they last longer. It's worth the investment. I mean, to a degree, certain vintage uh is sort of a luxury good because it is more expensive. So not everybody has the upfront money for it. Um, but there's lots that's affordable too. And um, plus the fashions are very fun. I've always had a very eclectic fashion sense. So I love mixing eras and styles and colors and patterns um when I'm not wearing black.
SPEAKER_03:Understandable. So wait, so what are some of the eras that you like to shop for for yourself?
SPEAKER_00:Well, I do a lot of vintage cabarets. That's been my main thing for over 15 years. So I have a whole collection of hats and brooches and shrugs and boleros and cocktail dresses and you know, little like, you know, the small clutch bags and things like that. Um, and you know, like pull those out for different characters. Uh, but you know, on a day-to-day, uh I love pulling really from all over because the thing is that they recycle the um, like the even the fast fashion houses recycle the patterns. So you'll see a cut that is absolutely from the 40s or absolutely from the 60s or absolutely from the 80s, or, you know, is a 60s redone in the 80s and then redone again, you know, like because the waistlines will move a little bit and the headlines will move a little bit, but you know, um, so you can kind of find vintage styles in modern clothes still too, if you look for it. So yeah, there's, you know, there's a lot, but um, I would say that I definitely channel a lot from, you know, 50s, like cabaret kind of a look, also very 20s at times. It just depends. You know, that's the great thing. You have you have a fun wardrobe and then you can just like go with what your mood says. And a lot of my characters that I portray are uh are witches and psychics anyway. So, you know, you get a little bit more um free reign when you're creating archetypes for different eras.
SPEAKER_03:It was really funny when you mentioned the Y2K fashions because you know, as a trend forecaster, this is something that I speak a lot of. And it's less about the clothes themselves, I think, is that Gen Z never had that, you know, window of time where it was as carefree and optimistic as we were experiencing in that particular time. And so it I talk about that a lot and why they're dressing like that because the clothes didn't look good, nor are the photos from that era really like doing anything to make people want to buy those clothes. You know, I see these like lace up jeans and like the Britney Spears tops coming back, and it's like interesting to me because it's more about the emotion behind it. So that's why I I am always curious what eras people are calling in because it says something about what they from a you know spiritual perspective, maybe they're seeking as well. Totally.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I definitely when I want to do something comforting, I'll go 90s. If I want to do something rock and roll, I tap the 60s and 70s. When I want a cabaret look, I look to the 20s and 50s and 40s, you know. Um, so yeah, definitely it kind of bounces around. I have different associations. Yeah, I don't do the 80s. I left that out.
SPEAKER_03:I was gonna say I that's 80s. Leave that for me because I have been buying a lot of very strange shoulder pad garments recently. I don't know where I'm going with them, but a lot of like very dynasty kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_05:They're taking you on a journey.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_05:It sounds powerful.
SPEAKER_03:I love it.
SPEAKER_05:I would love to know more about what it's like to create with some of these antique pieces you find, the bones. Like, I mean, you incorporate so many interesting things into your jewelry making too. Like, what is that process like for you creatively, spiritually, when you find like little little fragments or little pieces or treasures? Like, how do you know what they want to become?
SPEAKER_00:So it's more complicated than you might think. I'll tell you a story. Um, the first time I went to Mexico, so I've spent a lot of time in Mexico, and I love um bringing back amulets and all kinds of magical objects from Mexico and using them in my work. Um, it's very meaningful to a lot of different people here, practitioners, also Latino community. And uh it's it's been such a great way to connect with people about a magic that tends to be underrepresented and you know, often pushed to the side and taboo. So it's it's been a wonderful experience to spend so much time there. Um, but the first time I went, we went to the basilica. So the basilica is like the big cathedral. It's a huge cultural institution in Mexico City. It's huge. Um, the there's this, in my opinion, horrible uh like installation sculpture on the side of a hill of all the natives being converted with the sight of the Lord. Um, but then at the same time, there's witches selling magic supplies in the basement and the marketplace. And one of the times I was there, it was flooded with Aztecs coming and doing like a um big powwow type performance. So, anyway, interesting experiences all across the board. But um, in that area, there are a lot of religious items for sale because it is a pilgrimage site. People will go there, they will walk, and then they will finish the last section on their hands and knees sometimes as a way of showing um a Christian word. What penitence? Yeah, that sounds right. Reverend, yeah, yeah. I once again, not Catholic. Um so uh so when I was there, I was like, oh, cool, I'll get some rosaries. They're so beautiful. Look at these beads, you know, they have such an interesting energy. I can take these apart. And then later I went to the witch market, which is Mercado Sonora, and in the front of the witch market, it's actually all children's toys and pinatas, and then inside there's like masks and things you would put inside pinatas, and in the back is all santeria, just like amazing. Um, you know, santaros, and just like every stripe of magic. And so uh so when I was there, I was like, ooh, these are really beautiful beads as well. So it was just like, you know, protection beads with evil eyes on them. And I was like, ooh. So when I was in Mexico, it was fine. But when I came home, I tried to put them even physically together, and the Christian ones were leaping physically away from the ones that were charged with the witch energy. Oh, and I got an instant headache holding both of them at the same time. So I had to take all the rosaries and put them on my altar to let them chill out for a while before I could even start to work with them. I felt like the energy was just physically leaping, like you know, like witnessed not by just myself, but another person that they're physically leaping away. And that's pendulums, you know, that's what I'm talking about with pendulums that they will sense the energy. But these were oppositional energetic forces, so they were literally repelling each other.
SPEAKER_03:That's fascinating. Yeah, yeah. I feel like the super supercharged for sure, coming from there.
SPEAKER_00:They were both supercharged, they were both very strong, you know. And um, and you know, and it's in a place that is filled with intention and with specific kinds of magic and energy and vibrations, and you know, they probably had been prayed over, they may have been blessed, they may have been put, you know, somebody may have put holy water on them. It's hard to say, you know, but regardless, very different energies. And so just like literally jumping physically up.
SPEAKER_05:That's such a wonderfully obvious example. I was wondering, like, what should people be looking for if they've haven't really used the pendulum too many times? Like, how do how would you suggest people approach using a pendulum to get the vibe off of an object? Like, what are they looking for the pendulum to be doing? Or yeah, for for the um baby witches out there.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, um, you know, like I would say that some people need to bond with their pendulum for a while first. So keeping it in your pocket, keeping it physically on you, sleep with it under your pillow, bring it with you places, you know, get it out, play with it, talk to it, name it, you know, create a relationship with it. Treat it like something that is going to give you knowledge, just like you would with tarot cards, you know, um, treat it with respect and you know, treat it as a genuine conduit of information.
SPEAKER_05:I love that. Yeah. And I like too how um I've taught classes before with pendulum magic, and it's always really interesting to me how people have different ways of seeing, like maybe it'll go clockwise or counterclockwise for yes or no. It's like, I don't do you have any strong opinions about how people should be able to talk to the pendulum, or do you feel like it it's like up to the person?
SPEAKER_00:The strongest opinion about pendulums is that you should not buy pendulum boards that have maybe on it because that does not give you any information. Just just do yes or no questions and keep it very clear. Why would we want maybe as an answer to a genuine personal question? Is this is this uh is this necklace full of demons? Maybe. Like, no, we don't want that. We want we want clarity. So don't don't buy the pendulum boards that say maybe on them. That's my biggest advice. Uh, my second piece of advice is you know, we always do demonstrations um for people. I'll hold it and I'll say show me yes, and it usually moves this way, and then I'll say pendulum stop, and then it stops moving, and then I say pendulum show me no, and then it will start moving this way. And so I recommend doing that. Think of it as a way to calibrate your energy to the object. Personally, I don't find that I have to really like create a relationship with my pendulums in order to use them. But, you know, if you are just starting out, it will definitely help you. Um, it's a great way to start. And, you know, when uh like, you know, working with other practitioners, we had a very strong focus on divination. I think divination is extremely important. And so one of the things we started doing was carrying our pendulums around with us to see when could you possibly use it? You know, um you can and just try it. See what happens, experiment. You know, um some things it will not react to at all, some things it will start going like crazy immediately. And you're gonna the best thing to do is just get in there, experiment, see what happens.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, that's great advice. I really like um for for me personally, I don't know if you do this, but I I like to ask someone in particular whenever I use a pendulum. Um, and that might just be like I like to know who's on the other line.
SPEAKER_00:But like my grandma's on their protocol, you know.
SPEAKER_05:Basically, it's gonna be an ancestor I trust, or you know, a spirit I work with, or like an a deity that I, you know, connect with or something. Do you call in anyone specific when you use a pendulum?
SPEAKER_00:So because I usually am selling pendulums to the general public, I personally keep it very open and I say, you know, it's up to you where you believe this information is coming from. Is this you communicating with you? Is this your higher self talking? Is this a spirit intervention? Is this, you know, God or a God or, you know, what have you? Um, and you know, or is it just naturally reacting to energy fields? These are all questions. I I am not somebody who's here to tell you what to believe. I just want people to experiment and get in there, apply, you know, go see for yourself, you know, see what kind of quality information you can get back. Um, there's a reason that pendulums have been popular for a long time, though, because you are very likely to get, you know, a result. And you can tell the difference, you know, when it's absolutely not you moving it at all and it's just flying around in a circle, you know, you can tell the difference. Uh, I know there was a situation where um I'd had a run-in with some ghosts, and uh I like I had uh it's sort of like a pendulum. I had fake flowers in a vase, and I heard the rustle of somebody brushing them down, and out of nowhere they just started going like this. You know, um, there was no breeze, there was nobody near there. It was by itself on the top of a television cabinet, and I was like, that's it, everybody out, you know, like you don't have to accept information from just anyone. You can set parameters, you can kick things out if you're getting interference, like you can, you know, that's a whole other area of spirituality. But, you know, like if you feel like something is trying to communicate in a way that you feel uncomfortable with, then just shut it down. Shut it down. Say no. You know, say no. But uh the likelihood of that happening with a pendulum is very, very, very low.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I've always felt really comfortable with them. I I love your advice. Like, I think a lot of people forget you can have boundaries with spirits. You can say no, thank you, even to your ancestors. You can be like no thank you.
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely, and you can choose your own ancestors to your degree too. You know, that's something we talk a lot about with queerness that, you know, your ancestors may not have your blood ancestry may not have accepted you, but you know, that doesn't mean that the ancestors won't. The ancestors are also a class of spirits. Yeah. Um, and you know, in addition to that, you can adopt people to be your queer family and your queer ancestors. You can adopt um, you know, I like queer icons to be your ancestor, put a picture of them up on a wall, like light a candle, um, you know, to the people that came before. Um and uh, you know, and that's another great way to tap ancestry.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. That's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I have just one ancestor that's troublesome that would give me the maybe if I asked certain questions. Like, maybe, maybe. Um, I actually wanted to go back to what your comments about the spirits being, you know, rowdy. Are there a lot of spirits in your shop when you close the doors at night? Are they, you know, do you have any processes of coming in, coming out? Because I would imagine you consider it a shared space with them in some way. So you also want to be respectful of the joy that they bring into your world as well.
SPEAKER_00:So my shop is in a building that's about 120 years old. And it's in a town that is one of the oldest um American settlements. Uh it was colonized about 400 years ago. And the town was a an English fishing village, basically, for a long time. Um, one of the things I like about it is that it's very peaceful in Marblehead. And I haven't had any cause to feel uncomfortable with the vibrations of my store at all. Um and as far as, you know, like inviting things in or banishing or what have you, you know, we I take that on a case-by-case basis. I see what's necessary. I don't start out necessarily, you know, like hardcore cleansing and kicking out every spirit. I consider that like picking all the spice out of your food.
SPEAKER_04:That's a great analogy.
SPEAKER_00:You know, um, there's some amount that I want to live with. Also, my shop is just such a weird little space anyway. It's adorable, but you know, it's like a little hobbit hole. It feels like a ship. It's uh it's a very unique and strange little, you know, hole that I've created. And it's small. And uh yeah, I absolutely expect spirits to pop through. I have a ring camera up now, so I guess we'll find out if they come in.
SPEAKER_05:I can't wait. Love that. On that topic, I would love if you could share a little more about the offerings of this physical space for Holy Crow. Like, what do you offer? What do you have planned? Because I'm so excited that you opened this shop in Marblehead, Massachusetts. And I want everyone else to be excited too.
SPEAKER_00:I'm very excited as well. It's um so it's it's sort of a one-stop treasure hoard, you know. Like, imagine a crow witch has spent over a decade like picking through and finding the most spectacular pieces of treasure um that is possible to uncover in New England and assembled it all under one roof. And basically, there's there's visual art, there's magical supplies, there's some crystals, there's my handmade jewelry, there's lots of antiques, there's lots of really beautiful glass. Um, and then of course, you know, the items that I'm upcycling and whatnot. So right now I'm putting together, I'm gonna be making handmade incense, but I'm packaging it with vintage crystal and some sand from local beaches and charcoal and tongs. So you get the complete kit, but you get some vintage elements as well with it. You know, little glass compote dishes, people don't really use them that much anymore. People only do like a big fancy table set for maybe uh a couple of fancy parties a year, you know, holidays, maybe a birthday, maybe a couple dinner parties. But, you know, in general, they're not, they they don't really sell very quickly. So I'm looking at different ways that we can incorporate these objects that are plentiful, that are kind of overlooked right now and kind of like shine a light on them. So have like, you know, 12 little kits I'm gonna be making with the handmade incense, and then this beautiful crystal dish that you'll be able to burn it on that's ready to go right on your altar or just in your bathroom or your kitchen table. I mean, there's lots of ways to incorporate incense. It's you know, any smoke, one of the reasons that smoke cleanses are found all over the world is that smoke naturally is antibacterial. So when you burn smoke, you're killing bacteria in the environment. So again, it's the microcosm, macrocosm, as above so below principle that we're doing it on the physical plane, it's affecting the astral. And so beautiful, you know. Um, and then I have a whole collection of these gorgeous silver platters. I'm gonna be showing you how to incorporate them into your altar setups, showing you how to use Jasmine and I are gonna show you how to use some vintage teacups. I find so many, and people really don't use them anymore. They're like big mugs of tea that they can microwave. I don't blame you. I'm right there with you. I got my big mug.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, I have my little teacup here.
SPEAKER_00:But I, you know, I love a teacup and they are so beautifully made. Those fine bone china, you can tell if it's really nice because you hold it up to the light and it'll be translucent. Yeah, the clues that you have something special. You can check the stamp on the bottom. It'll say like fine bone china from England or where have you know, wherever it came from. And um, and I have some spectacular ones that I would love to incorporate into like a little tea leaf reading kit, you know, to show you how to use that and to show you, you know, to make them precious again, to make them a little bit of your treasure. And then think about how you'll take that item and you'll use it in a sacred way for a number of years. And then all of a sudden, you've created a magical object that has love and meaning poured into it. And one day someone else is gonna pick it up and say, wow, this feels so good. I wonder why that is. I love this.
SPEAKER_03:This is the most magical upcycling that I could imagine. This is so beautiful. I love the way that you're curating these items because I think too, people to walk into an environment, it's hard to imagine what the end purpose could be, right? Like you say, people aren't drinking out of the teacups, so maybe they're not naturally putting together the story of what that could be or the compote and the, you know, you have this whole magical story, and I then it's putting that intention in. Oh, I love this so much.
SPEAKER_00:I think, you know, like a beautiful ornate silver tray or a beautiful cut crystal compote dish, those are extremely beautiful, well-made items, and they're plentiful. And, you know, I think that people don't quite know necessarily how to incorporate them. We are living in smaller and smaller spaces all the time. And so, you know, like people will buy a print and they'll rotate their prints in and out of one frame, you know, because they don't have room to have an entire gallery wall necessarily. And I think that's that's partially why jewelry is nice, because it's a way to make a statement. It doesn't take up very much space, you know. Um, but it's a way to communicate who you are to other people or to set an intention or pull energy in that you're looking to pull into your life. So, you know, I'm hoping to do the same thing with these little collections. And I have, it does, it is absolutely a labor of love. This is not fast fashion. This is not something that will necessarily be like mega expensive either. It's just, you know, I just am able to do it and I think it's such a beautiful way to practice to do it. And I personally have always used antique and vintage objects on my altars and in my practices. Um, I remember like way, way back when I was 15 and went to Knoxville, Tennessee by myself on the bus for the first time and I found a brass chalice in the thrift store. And I still have it because it was so precious. I was so excited to find it, you know. Finding those objects can be very special for people. So, you know, I love being that thing that people were waiting to find, you know, so they could they can pick a treasure. But I more than that, I just think that repurposing and showing how to live, how to use these items, they take up so little space and they can replace plastic. They can replace things that are mass-produced and shipped in from the other side of the world. We don't have to buy things that are mass-produced that are shipped in out of the country. And also with all these tariffs, it's making it complicated anyway. So let's use what we have and let's keep them out of the landfills and let's appreciate these very beautiful objects and call in the energy of the ancestors with the way that we set up our homes and the way that we set up our magic.
SPEAKER_05:I love that so much. And I think sometimes too, people forget that these, like, for instance, the reason why we read with little beautiful little teacups is because their shape is ideal for reading. Like if you're using a mug or like, you know, a tumbler or something, it's hard to see the tea leaves. They get caught in the little corner. But if you're using a shallow bottle, the bottom round Kind of teacup. The leaves distribute beautifully. They're so easy to read. And it's just like it's such a pleasant little moment. And I really love the reverence that you have for the objects that you discover, whether you're repurposing them or like bringing their purpose back into the zeitgeist. It makes me so excited. And I'm so happy that you're going to be running workshops in person and virtually. Or yeah.
SPEAKER_00:In person and virtually. And we also will have a rotating group of readers. So you'll be able to book in person and virtual tarot and palm and um seance sessions and you know all kinds of things. I've met people who do um Reiki and astrology. And I just met somebody who does each in. So, you know, uh I the great thing is that we're gonna have we have a backroom set up with a cozy little fireplace. You'll be able to come in and have a seat and have a very intimate little one-on-one experience back there. And um, and also you'll have a chance to ask questions about, you know, whatever your spiritual quest has taken you.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and Marblehead is right next door to Salem, Massachusetts. So for anyone who is taking a trip to which city and you want to get out of the madness of it, you can bop off the Marblehead beautiful seaside picturesque town, and you're pretty much the only witch shop there.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there's a couple other people who have some readings and crystals, but um there's nobody else who is doing what I do. Yeah. Um, because it is a lot of different things. We and uh, you know, we oh my gosh, my cat. Um Fenneck is coming in for a snuggle. Watch out. Oh, I'm so excited. Fluffy 25-pound baby. Yes, um, that's why he's shaking the screen right now. So um yeah, I I also, you know, I bring that same level of intention to all of my bones and insects and botanical pieces as well. Um, not quite in the oddity universe, but there are parts of it that I really love. And so I work exclusively with found bones that have been nature cleaned. So the energy of the animal had a chance to return to the earth prior to using the bones. This is important to me as somebody who can feel energy from bones. Commercial bones are extremely painful for me to handle. I don't like it. It's um, and it's just makes me very sad as well. So I can often tell how the animal died and you know the feelings that they had prior. So with a wild animal, it's often a lot easier, and especially when the bones have had a chance to return. Plus, they're so sculptural and beautiful that way. I love the fragments, I love the chunks of jaw and you know, that sort of thing. I think it's very pretty. I sometimes replace some of the teeth with crystals.
SPEAKER_01:I love when you do that. That's so cool.
SPEAKER_00:And um, you know, and so my you know, I use a lot of snake bones, those are ethically sourced as well. Um, I use rattlesnakes because um energetically it's intended to warn you against a snake in the grass. I use coyote teeth that come from the powwow circuit, and those are used uh with the intent of helping you have protection through setting good boundaries because coyotes always own their space wherever they are. Always coyote space. Coyotes in it, it's coyote space. Um everyone else is just a visitor.
unknown:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Um, and what else? Uh yeah, Hercomer Diamonds are another one I use a lot. Those are a wonderful stone from upstate New York that are connected to spiritualist history. People use those to boost their psychic ability. And sometimes two people will each wear one and then it will help you tune your dreams to each other.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, cute. I never heard that before. I love that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Um, we should all do it. I know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, even the astral.
unknown:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Um, and then I get these incredible plants. I get Snapdragon pods and uh carnivorous plants from a farm in British Columbia that are all hand-gathered and dried and preserved before I get them. So those are another great way I get to support farms in the process of making things. So, you know, like it's just I think, you know, one of the reasons I like to order from all over the world and source these things is as a statement that we are all connected. We're all in this together, and that, you know, our magic is all connected. I like being able to combine things from different physical locations to make statements about it. I get my gems hand cut, hand-drilled from my amazing gem cutter in Pakistan. Shout out Muhammad, you're amazing. Um, we've been working together for years, and I love the way he cuts stones. He's so talented. He cuts them very asymmetrically and leaves a lot of character in them. So I do tend to try to find two that match each other, but they're not an exact match. They're complementary, you know. I find complimentary pairs. I don't like too much precision and too much uh uniformity and gem cutting because I feel like part of what draws me to certain stones is the natural beauty of the stone. So, and just like letting it shine and then just sort of framing it like a work of art. So I like working with cherry blossom agate for that reason. You get these beautiful cherry blossom formations that naturally occur in the stone, and it's so pretty, so pretty. So I choose these little asymmetrical cuts so that every person is getting a one-of-a-kind piece also. Um, and this is why like my shop is very small because I am working very hands-on, very, you know, one piece at a time, lots of one-of-a-kind pieces. I'm curating and sorting and cleaning and going through stuff, but it's such a rewarding process, and it does it, it does, it helps to keep so many things out of the landfills, which I think is so important.
SPEAKER_05:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:So we agreed.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. And how can people stay on top of what holy crow is up to in the ether, in the physical? How do people follow you, find you, and support your content?
SPEAKER_00:You can follow us at uh holy.crow on Instagram, holycrowart.com. And um, if you follow along on Instagram, you will get the information about future big drops. I'm gonna be curating collections and dropping them on different days. The other one is if you are in the New England area or interested in antiques or haunted antiques, I will be at Brimfield North in Deerfield, New Hampshire on the 11th and 12th of October. And uh I will be specifically in the haunted antiques and oddities building. So you will be able to come and see any of the things I have collected that I feel have a little bit extra going on. Um, they'll be available for sale. If you dare.
SPEAKER_05:Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. And you have a YouTube channel and a little podcast now. Is that is that true?
SPEAKER_00:That is true. Um, I we have I have a podcast called Um Magical Living with Holy Crow. And we're gonna be, and it'll it'll be on YouTube as well, same name, Magical Living. And um, we're showing you how to use your vintage objects in your everyday practice, um, how to cleanse them and how to get comfortable with you know venturing into the antiquum vintage realms um for sustainable reasons or curiosity or for the love of the treasure hunt. Um, anyway you slice it. It's a fabulous world out there. I did the I went to Kentucky this year and hunted along the 127 yard sale, which spans all the way from Alabama to Michigan, 690 miles of yard sale. Um, I managed to make it through most of Kentucky, but that's as far as we got, and um, and brought back an entire trucklet of treasure uh from there. So there are many, many, many delights yet to be revealed. Um, so follow along YouTube, Magical Living, Fully Crow, Magical Living with Fully Crow, wherever you find your podcasts and um and uh Instagram and the website. And we will be putting information up. I know that I'm curating a really big drop of um Greek inspired pieces, a lot of Bacchus, Cupid, Psyche, Diana, Artemis, like lots, lots and lots of uh, you know, magical Greek-related items. Um, I have these fabulous lamps, like seriously amazing stuff. So if that's your vibe, definitely keep a lookout for that. Um and uh, you know, another thing I love curating is glass. Uh maybe at another time I can explain about how glass relates to the entire history of alchemy.
SPEAKER_05:My gosh.
SPEAKER_00:It's a long story.
SPEAKER_05:I see segments in our future. Yes, I love this.
SPEAKER_03:Well, thank you so much. Thank you so much. This was really incredible. And I know I took away so much. I'm newly a vintage shopper, an antique shopper, and you really empowered me to feel like just go with the vibe of things that feel good.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And you can always hit your thrift stores too. There's in New England, there are plentiful objects available in thrift stores. The benefit of going to an antique or uh vintage store is that we've already done the hard work for you. We've already done the curating and the hunting and sorting and the moving piles and the cleaning and the identifying. So, you know, you come to us and we already have all of that curated for you. We can tell you the history, where it was made, what it's made of, and how to use it.
SPEAKER_05:Beautiful. So fun. Thank you so much. This was a blast. We'll have to have you back because you you know so many things about so many things.
SPEAKER_00:Well, what kind of oracle would I be if I didn't?
SPEAKER_05:Thank you everyone for tuning in. We we love and appreciate you. And um, yeah, yay. More later.
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