MAGIC INCLINED with Rohini Moradi

Rohini Moradi is a multidisciplinary storyteller whose work moves across film, music, writing, and performance. Her creative practice explores the unseen forces that shape imagination, creativity, and human experience, often blending cinematic storytelling with philosophical and spiritual inquiry.

At the center of her work is a fascination with where ideas come from and how creativity moves through us. Her book, Tapping Into the Akasha, explores the concept of the Akasha—the universal field believed to hold the memory of all experiences—and how individuals can access this deeper source of intuition, insight, and creative inspiration.

Through her projects across multiple mediums, Moradi creates work that invites audiences to slow down, listen deeply, and reconnect with the mysterious origins of their own creativity.

In this episode, Rohini talks about working with the Akashic Records, her relationship to grief and how to use it as a form of alchemy, moving on from an "addiction to healing," plus so much more.

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Welcome And Why Akasha Matters

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Welcome to Immaterial World, a dedicated and transparent space to recenter how we explore glamour, magic, culture, and everything else we love together. Rohini Marathi is a multidisciplinary storyteller whose work moves across film, music, writing, and performance. Her creative practice explores the unseen forces that shape imagination, creativity, and human experience, often blending cinematic storytelling with philosophical and spiritual inquiry. At the center of her work is a fascination with where ideas come from and how creativity moves through us. Her book, Tapping into the Akasha, explores the concept of the Akasha, the universal field believed to hold the memory of all experiences, and how individuals can access this deeper source of intuition, insight, and creative inspiration. Through her projects across multiple mediums, Marathi creates work that invites audiences to slow down, listen deeply, and reconnect with the mysterious origins of their own creativity.

SPEAKER_02 2:48

I'm really hoping that our guest today has seen a show that I recently binged because as I was watching it, I said, is this about the Akashic Records? And I kept watching it. And as I moved through the season, the answer was definitely no, because there was a lot of judgment involved in how the information was being presented. The show was pleuribist, by the way. So I'm very curious to see. Oh, it looks like she's gonna say no to this. So I am going to be able to plug this show that I have nothing to do with. But it was so fantastic. And I was really thinking it was about the Akasha for about two episodes. But it's fantastic either way. It might be about AI, it might be about collective psychism, how we're all tapped into one source. But we are so thrilled either way to talk about the more important creative works that come from our guest, Rohini Marathi. And she's gonna help us unpack all about channeling the divine. Welcome to the immaterial world.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Thank you so much for having me.

Childhood In Tehran During War

SPEAKER_02 3:43

It's an honor to sit with you both. Yes, yes, so exciting. I mean, tell us all about your journey and how we got to be in this place now. Where to begin? I know. Like, well, I was born in Yes, please start there.

Discovering Akasha Without Gatekeeping

SPEAKER_01 3:59

Started a long time. Well, I don't know. You know, um, we all have a unique upbringing. Mine started in Tehran during the Muslim revolution, a couple years after the Muslim Revolution happened. And I grew up in the only Hindu temple there was. So I I had um not there was, but there was Iran. There are many Hindu temples in the world, but I grew up the only one in Iran. So it really created um contrasting upbringing for me where you know the walls that surrounded me were filled with joy and possibility and love and passion and big ideas and all the fun, good things where I could explore my own imagination and have a lot of fun, be a kid. But like right outside of the walls, it was destruction, bombs falling. It was during the Iran-Iraq war, also, which lay last about eight years. So yeah, it was weird. And I think that's really where it all started. And I took this idea of a contrasting life with me. And one of the main principles that I thought about a lot as a child was the idea of attachment, you know. And you know, in Hinduism, we say Maya is the material world, and all our attachment to it creates suffering, you know, like whatever the more you attach yourself to material world stuff, the more suffering will come up come about. And thank God we're in the immaterial world. Yeah. Exactly. But that's what they say. I don't know. So when we moved to the US, we we were able to escape in 1989. It was not an easy journey. We went to Dubai for a few months to get our paperwork done. And then once we had our paperwork done, that got us out of like, you know, Iran kind of. Um, we went to India to get our green carts to come to America. Oh, oh, oh, it was a whole thing. And then we finally landed here. I was so I remember being so excited, and like the feeling was like everything's so much bigger here. Because you know, it's built later in in um human history, so there's more room, there's room for cars to drive. It's just like everything seems bigger. So I was really excited. Um, but in that transition, I realized that everything that I was taught and grew up with as a child were targets here. So I started like hiding those things about myself and not even trying to fit in, but just like go incognito. But I mean, like I'm a weirdo, like you can't hide a weirdo, like I'm gonna stick out no matter what. So I was a target for a while. And um, I learned how to mask throughout those years, and it wasn't until um I suffered like a big tragedy where uh I I like to say it this way, I was made into a puddle and I had to rebuild myself, and I just left all this stuff I didn't need and all the masks and things like that behind. Then intentionally they weren't it becomes really obvious when something bad happens, like what's serving you and what's not, what's beneficial and what's not, and you're like, I don't need that anymore. So yeah, and that's how I landed here is um all the spiritual stuff that I grew up with uh really helped me heal and navigate through that time. So I started exploring a little more and I came about the concept of the Akashic Records through this exploration, and it didn't make sense to me. Like I just kept seeing the word for a long time. Um and every time I looked it up, it was like seven years ago. So just imagine what was online about it then. It was weird, okay. And everything that I ran into was I don't know, it fell off. Like the w the I the idea of the Akasha I resonated with, but everything I was learning about it was really it seemed religious. Like there was a lot of religious implications put on this ideology where you go to these masters and ask for permission to be granted into this field of information that everyone should have access to. I don't I just it just didn't make sense to me for a long time. So I started um studying the origins of this stuff, and I don't um and we we emailed a little about this about talking about maybe the theosophical society, so maybe I'm bringing it up prematurely. But I started learning about the colonization of new age spirituality and all this stuff, and I was like, oh my god, and in reading all this stuff, it kind of just hit me. It was like, wait a minute, is the Akasha or the Akashic Records as they call it, like what the Rishis were talking about, who wrote the Vedas? So I started researching more that, and sure enough, Akash was the ether pre-manifest as they it was the fifth element. Um, and they held it in high regards. It it's it's where everything comes from before it collapses into our timeline or into material, you know, uh our material our Maya material way of living. Um so I started it, I don't know, that whole experience opened a lot up for me and made me feel comfortable. And um, I started talking about it to people keeping that regard in hand and maybe educating more about what we can do ourselves rather than and how it's like a deeper part of us instead of something outside of us. And I noticed like an ease that's coming over people because people would come with with fear, like do you think this is something that I can break into? You know, like it's that feeling like it's a hierarchy kind of thing, and you might be not not be good enough to be able to tap into this conscious field. I don't know about you. Did you do everything right in life, you know? So um yeah, I think I blabbed enough. Am I in a place where I'm blabbed enough? I think that is so perfect.

Magic Inclined As A Writing Space

SPEAKER_03 10:07

No, I mean I love this feeling of how I I identify with how important it is to make spirituality feel accessible for everyone and not have these um barriers around who's good enough, but also I feel like you're touching on that these practices do come from somewhere, and that's important also to acknowledge. But I would love to talk for a moment about your brand. I mean, you've done so much under the brand magic inclined. Where did that concept come from? What has that journey been like? What is it doing now?

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Oh, you know, to be honest, um, I wasn't even trying to build a brand, but it was.

SPEAKER_03 10:50

And that's when it usually works.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

I know. Like I wasn't trying. My husband kind of coined the term magic inclined. You know, he was like, you should just call because I was like, I think I was calling my page. I wanted to have a separate page from my personal page. So that's a very private page, and I don't, you know, it's family and friends kind of thing. Um, and I was like, I think I want to go more public and share stories and stuff. And I was calling it Moonwaves Mary Gold. I don't know why. Um I'm like, I hate that name. I don't know why I hate it, but it's just like not me. And then finally he's like, you should just call it Magic Inclined. I'm like, okay. So I did, and then I just started sharing stories, and uh I got in practice of sharing stories every day until this tragedy happened, and I kept on even during that time, um, which I think made a strong connection with people, and I think that's maybe why it could even be a brand or whatever it is, but I don't consider it a brand. I think it's just like a space to like for me to be able to share deeply because I I think very deep thoughts, and I'm not a very good speaker, but I love to write. Uh so that's what it is. That's what Magic and Klein is, just a place where I can write more.

SPEAKER_03 12:03

Yeah, because you have, you know, a newsletter and your story, and it's where people can find your book. There's music, there's courses. Like I love it's a beautiful landing page. And thank you.

What Akasha Is Versus Readings

SPEAKER_02 12:16

Yes, like owning your multi-hypheniteness, which is so, so cool, and building community there. I know that we want to get into your book in more detail, but I think we have to start for those who are a bit uninitiated, coming back to what are the Akashic records and how do we define them? If someone was going to have their Akashic records read, what should they expect? Or like what do practitioners imagine when they're thinking about the Akashic records?

SPEAKER_01 12:47

Um, I can't tell you what practitioners think about it because I feel like um my theories and interpretation are very detached from the overarching um idea of the Akashic Records. The way I learned about the Akashic Records was that it's a library that your consciousness goes to and accesses different parts of life. And that's not the way I've experienced it. So it's not that to me. Um, and I think it's great if you think that that's what it is, and I feel like our imagination is really strong and we can believe whatever we want and make whatever happen. But what the akasha is, is ether pre-manifest, and it's just the um our collective consciousness is the best way to uh describe it to me. It's where all of our consciousness, whether we're on this plane or not, lives. And this consciousness is ever encompassing of the past, present, and possible future. So it's always changing. It's like this weird thing that's always formulating based on what's happening in the present, which is really cool. Um, so we're always updating this data, um, universal data. And um again, like the readings, like that's a different thing, I think, than in the book. We talk a little bit about reading our own records and for others, but it's more about going so deep within to that very center of our being where this release of information flows through. For example, um like the Rishis are these um saints who used to sit at the foot of the Himalayas and they live their whole lives um in yoga. Like they practice not just the asanas and like the shapes and whatnot, but they they paid attention to every part of their being. I think that's like living in full, like there are different um sects of yoga, but yoga is like an idea an ideology on how to like live with your full body and spirit, right? So um they ate foods that fed their body and soul to keep it clear so that they can receive this information. They moved energy in their body through yoga asana so that it's always flowing so they can receive new information. So, in that sense, like what we're doing is we are opening our internal channels so that we can open up that deep inner part of ourselves for information to come through clearly, which it does for all of us. That's like intuition in a way, too. Um, but it's a deeper version of intuition. Because sometimes I feel like intuition is like our future self or something, being like, do this, do that, like guiding us, you know, like higher self-guidance. But the Akasha is like a little more widened than that, where it's it's a deeper universal, it's a connecting information rather than individualized, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 15:58

Yeah, it it totally does. And like going back to Plurbiz for a second, like the way that I knew that it was not about the Akashic Records, because there's something happening with the characters that I can tell that they're having like a collective experience, like they're sharing some sort of experience inside. But there was a level of judgment. And uh, you know, I've I've worked with an Akashic records reader before, and when she explained the records to me the first time, she was like, if you take 10 selfies right now, the camera's not gonna reject it if and be like, oh, this one's ugly, you're not gonna like it. There's no judgment, it gets uploaded to a cloud. You could delete it, you could keep it, you can post it. Like, there's a bit of free will that comes in.

SPEAKER_01 16:35

Like there's a great way of explaining it.

SPEAKER_02 16:37

Yeah, where intuition is maybe like a little bit more ego-based. It's like, what do I like? How do I make the moves to do what I want to do? But yeah, the Kasha is more just like anything's possible. Here's all of the potential outcomes that you absolutely could be led to.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

It's it's absolutely, and both are really important. Like, if uh if we could explain it, the earth is intuition and the universe is akasha. Does that make like I feel like yeah? I like that a lot.

SPEAKER_03 17:08

I just got like yeah, and I want to bop back to what you were saying about you know the discourse around the Akashic records and cultural appropriation and erasure, because you know, the concept was that we're talking about before um people had uh maybe lifted it definitely from Hindu cosmology. Um, you know, Madame Blavatsky and all these Western theosophists were writing a lot about that. But um, like you said, it was really derived from Hindu cosmology. And so I've seen a lot of discourse um from different practitioners, whether they work with the Akashic Records or not, who are not really sure how to ethically engage with it. Like what should they engage with it at all? How do they do that in a way that doesn't feel appropriative or it feel like erasure? How can they do it in a way that feels like it's honoring where it comes from? Really curious about your thoughts. Um, advice for people who, whether they want to participate or whether they practice how to navigate ethically and respectfully.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

That's really cool. That's a great question. Um I think when because the akash is for everyone. It's not just, well, the Rishis were channeling it, so it's just a part of Hinduism and that's it, and nobody else, it's we they we are it, you know, so we are just a manifestation of it. I don't think it's it anyone's left out. And I feel like that that's the problem I had when I was first learning about the Akashic Records is like, huh, this seems like you're leaving people out when it's like for everybody. Um it's it's a part of all of us. And I think the other problem that I had with like the Theosophical Society and the appropriation of it in that regard specifically, is that it's awesome that um they went, you know, I think they went to oh my gosh, Tibet? I'm not sure where they went. It was somewhere near the Himalayas, um, where they sat with like different Buddhist monks and they practiced in these meditations, and um they brought back the idea, they started writing about it. It wasn't really coined by Blavatsky and later Mary, I can't remember her name, um, but it was it was coined by one of the Theosophical Society people. But the problems there are that they took only a part of it and not the full aspect of it. And I think if we're going to be engaging with like an idea that has already been developed and like, you know, they used to call the Rishi scientists because like they would take this universal data and test it out in real time. Like Ayurveda comes from the Rishi, like there are many different parts of the Vedas. Um, they're scientists, they these theories have been proven, right, over thousands of years. I think leaving a huge aspect of it out and changing it to fit a religious narrative in that way is harmful. So if you are going to be practicing it, maybe like learn about the full spectrum of it and bring it all in, like and and make it inclusive. I think that's the thing. Making it inclusive is being is respecting it. There you go. There you go. We landed somewhere. I was like, if I keep talking, I'll land. Making it making it inclusive is the way to engage with it properly. Because um, what they took is all the love and light parts, and they didn't like include all the shadow stuff and like everything else. And um, I think that's harmful, it's very harmful.

SPEAKER_03 20:47

Yeah, I run into that a lot in my own work where you know people might say, Oh, the um, you know, the golden dawn actually invented the the this way of reading tarot, so we don't need to look at the other cultures that contributed, and it's like, and the golden dawn were inspired by whom? So there's I I think that's a really tactful way of putting it is to be inclusive and to think about the deeper roots of these things, not just people's interpretations more recently.

SPEAKER_01 21:15

And we're all just humans on this earth, you know. Yeah, don't even listen, don't listen to any humans. Like, we're all trying to figure it out, you know, including like my perspective is just a tiny part of it too. I don't know everything. Like I just sat around and thought about this idea and wrote it down, but that doesn't mean I know every aspect of it. I think just being more inclusive and to ideas is um the healthiest way to engage with anything and the most respectful way, I think.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

Yeah, curiosity is a gift.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

Yeah, I love this. I want to come back to that reader that I was talking about before, too, because I think just like you were saying, you know, having the balance of love and light, spirituality with shadow, with experience, with curiosity, like these are all. All so important. And I I really love this idea that she had instilled within me that like there's a lack of judgment when you when you are working with the Akasha. She really was able to see a lot of dramatic changes that I'd be making in my life. And I am someone that really believes in fated events, and that if you are moving through life, you know, you kind of came here with a destination in mind, and you'll be brought to experiences like in one way or another as you're moving along. Um, but you still have the free will to move through it. And I just always found the Akasha fascinating for that reason because it was kind of like here's a read on where you are right now and how you're getting to that destination, like at the on the current path that you're on, which you can divert from at any time. I'm curious as you were going into your own journey with the Akasha, like what was coming up for you, what experiences you were having or discoveries, and why they resonated with you so much?

SPEAKER_01 22:56

Um, well, I was going through a really hard time when I first started uh incorporating this into my meditation. So for me, it was healing on those levels where I'm confronting like really deep parts of myself. But after like after meditating on myself for so long, I got boring. I'm like, I don't want to just ask about me. Like, I'm tired. I'm I already know what's going on in my stupid head. Like so I started just um exploring my relationships and then like the world, and after the world, you know, I started asking about the universe, and it just expanded more and more. And the more I went macro, the more I realized like how maybe I don't even want to ask questions anymore, which is the realization that I came to. I was um doing a lot of readings, I was teaching, and it was around that time where I'm like, I'm gonna stop doing all that, I'm just gonna write it down because at that point I realized like how important all these moments are, and you know, it's the journey that brought me to that realization, which I'm really grateful for. But yeah, I realized I I want to just implement everything that I had learned, which was really to be in the present moment, whether it's easy, joyous, difficult, sad, just to let it ring out and follow I guess the intuition things comes back, but follow like um my solar plexus and where that's leading me. And I started practicing that, and I feel really great about it actually. But that's the the journey in itself, like took me on a whole journey, um, and it's landed me here where I don't know, I have a bigger appreciation for myself, the complicated relationships in my life, um, the easy relationships in my life, and like where like I know no matter what, whether something horrible happens to me or not, like I'm gonna be okay. Like there's that deep um knowing because of the exploration.

Letting Grief In With Reverence

SPEAKER_03 25:25

Yeah, I mean, you're so insightful and self-aware, even when talking about the most challenging experiences you've been through, your relationship to grief, near death experience uh that you speak about often as being your bridge to your destined path and the realization of how interconnected we all are. Why is it so important to recognize grief as an opportunity? And how would you recommend people might try holding themselves in these challenging times with reverence and the potential to alchemize?

SPEAKER_01 26:00

That's nice. Well, grief is unavoidable. Um, we're all gonna go through it in one form or another. It's all it's gonna be different for all of us, but um, it's unavoidable. Like it's just a part of our life. And um fearing it and having a hesitation towards it is only gonna make it harder. And I think that comes back to that whole aspect of attachment to Maya, the material world, but that's what they're talking about. It's like the it takes away the reverence when we have such deep attachments, right? And I don't mean um not having it or not caring about something because I feel like that word can get misinterpreted really easily. Like not having an attachment doesn't mean, well, I don't care about this, like I'm gonna close that part of myself off so that I don't feel anything, so that that doesn't hurt me. That's not what I'm talking about. Um, what I'm talking about is knowing that everything has a cycle and everything that's alive is going to not be alive someday, and that's just a part of life. Um, and once we make amends with that, it's still gonna hurt when it happens. But my advice is when grief does come to visit, to let it in and sit with it and let it do what it needs to, because if you're avoiding it, it's just gonna get more and more difficult. Um it's gonna come in many different ways for different people. So there's not one way, like there's not a remedy for it, but uh I think letting yourself feel the feelings initially is gonna be a lot less painful than waiting to feel them.

When Healing Becomes An Addiction

SPEAKER_02 27:55

I love that. It's it's so beautiful, it really is. And it sort of reminded me, I'd read somewhere a phrase that you had said, uh, you know, it's a good idea at a certain point to move away from an addiction to healing. And that like slapped me across the face because I've been in a few years of like, I'm gonna try this, I'm gonna try this, I'm gonna like explore this. And what one day very recently, I was like, I'm done knowing about myself. Like, I'm good for a little bit, like I can step away from this and just be a little bit more and be present. So I deeply, deeply resonate with that thought. What's sort of a gentle way that you might recognize or someone might recognize this in themselves and like a good time or good, you know, advice to step back and be a bit more present? What would you tell me?

SPEAKER_01 28:46

Girl, get it together. The question is the question to the question is is like, what are you searching for? You know, what are we really searching for when we're searching for healing? Are we searching for comfort? Is that where we're going? Like, do we just want to be comfortable? Is there like a void we're trying to fill? Why do we have that void? Like, it's usually like rooted in you know, early childhood stuff, not to like go back to that, but am I enough? Am I good enough? Do you love me? Um, and I feel like at a certain point, like we have to give ourselves what we need, and we can't search for it outside of ourselves because the world of healing isn't gonna give it to us.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

Right.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

It's a business, you know, and like um realizing that is like, oh, it's a business. It's a business. Which I don't I'm not saying like don't go talk to a therapist or like try to fit, you know, because sometimes we have to go through the world of healing to realize what it is that we're searching for. So when you realize what it is, that's when you that's when you sit with it.

SPEAKER_02 29:55

Yeah. And I mean, for me, I uh a lot is rooted in self-trust. And after all of these years of exploring different modalities and doing journaling and researching and really plugging into myself, if I find myself in a place where I'm questioning my intuition or like doing something just as a first instinct, I'm like, okay, then what was all that time spent for? And it like sort of snaps me back into reality. And it's like you're your own worst enemy when I like don't let the healing work through you and let it let it change you, you know, be receptive to that change that you have called in.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

Yeah, totally. But I think that's a part of the journey too, in a way, to like, you know, shut myself up in a way and rebuttal what I had previously said. But like going through that training, probably got your body ready to be able to recognize that too. So that's also important. But it does become addictive, right? Like where it's like, um, I think if if we're if we're going through the cycles and we're constantly seeking something from the outside to solve something within, it's it's just gonna stay a cycle. But it um if our focus is that we're searching for something within while we're going through the healing, then maybe the process can be faster too. It sounds like you reached that point, which is cool.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Yeah, and I think that I have awareness of my own addictive cycling that I can get into. Like, even like uh I'm working on like sort of the next levels of my astrology knowledge, and it's like now it's all about progress charts. Now it's all about solar return charts. And it's like, how much more can I know about myself? I'm I'm over it. I'm sick of myself. Like you, it's good to step back at this time. I'm like the guy in the meme with like all the like lines connecting, and it's like, oh yeah, it's so interconnected. And it's beautiful. Like, I love having that feeling that I feel so aligned with the interconnectedness of the universe, but like also, girl, get a grip. Like, come come live like a human life on Earth too. So I I just absolutely adored when I read your wherever that was, I can't remember now, but it was like maybe you have an addiction to healing. I was like, guilty, guilty.

Ayahuasca And The Comfort Trap

SPEAKER_01 32:06

I didn't do that. Sometimes it hurts, and you have to like make sense of it. Like, why did this happen to me? You know, but um, yeah, I mean, not everything's in our control. I realized like I was um somehow I got invited to do like an ayahuasca ceremony, and I'm you know, my earlier days, I'm older now. I'm like, I don't don't have time for this. I don't want to recover and like I'm just tired, okay? I'm going to bed at 6 p.m. Leave me alone. But I got invited to do this thing and I thought about it. I had I had been invited before and I said no many times. It just probably wasn't the right people. But I got invited, I did it, and um it was beautiful, it was awesome. I chose the right people, but I've had this like back these back, this horrible back problem. I got in a car accident um when I was like my young 20s, and it's just been a constant shoulder thing in my life where I'm like, oh, it's always hurting. So I made sure I had the most comfortable stuff with me during the ceremony and everything, and just sitting there, I'm like so comfortable, you know. I'm like so comfortable. And as like the medicine hits, I notice I'm just like, oh, I'm not comfortable. And I'm just like for a whole hour, I'm just trying to be comfortable. Like I was just looking for comfort, and it just hit me, and I'm like, oh I think like I just do this in my whole life. Like I'm just looking to be comfortable. Oh wow, of everything because I'm just looking to be comfortable and I'm missing the point. And I started laughing, and I'll then I was like, whoa, what? Because everyone's like, and I'm like, psycho. You're not supposed to talk. Um, but I'm laughing, and then I don't know, I just had the best time after that. I'm like, I'm not gonna look for comfort anymore, and I think that also helped, like in the whole, ooh, my dog agrees. Um we're not looking for comfort. She says she does like to speak up.

SPEAKER_03 34:31

Lily, I'm happy for her. She's a liberated pup.

SPEAKER_01 34:37

But yeah, I feel like that whole I feel like that whole thing is in line with what we're talking about, right? The whole loop of healing.

Staying Grounded In Dysregulating Times

SPEAKER_03 34:45

I mean, that feels so apt too, because we are living in times that are extremely dysregulating, and I never feel comfortable. I mean, not just because I'm chronically ill, but like for a bunch of reasons. It's so like totally reasonable that you would want to be seeking comfort, and also reasonable that that can't always be the only thing we do. But with this in mind, you know, it's more critical than ever to be tapped into our intuitive practices to help us manage this dysregulation, which is probably the hardest time to be intuitive, is when you're dysregulated and to try to listen to your inner voice and cultivate that self-trust. So considering, you know, if you are feeling really activated, or if the world or news around you is very activating, um, what are some ways that you would suggest people try to anchor themselves? So that some of the best practices when you're kind of already in the shit show?

SPEAKER_01 35:38

That is so good. Um, and it's something I need to remind myself because I'm often disregulated looking at the news, especially with everything going on right now and hitting so close to home, uh, literally. Um I struggle with this because I want to say give yourself time away, and that's healthy, and you should. Um but also shutting it out, I feel like is really um harmful in a way. Uh you know, honestly, I think in these times we need to fall in love with ourselves deeply so that we have the um courage and the stamina to keep up instead of and that that will alone get us out of like the fear mode of it and empower us. And I think we need to feel really empowered during these times. We need to feed our soul, we need to tell ourselves how wonderful we are, how we are enough we are supposed to be here. This is the timeline we've incarnated into for a reason, and just give ourselves all the love so that we can be at full capacity to give it to the people around us. And I think if we're talking about the Akasha being the collective consciousness, putting that energy into the collective consciousness does so much more than we could imagine. You know, it anchors like this deep-rooted love for humanity in there. And I think that's really important right now. Um, whether you want to watch the news or not, we feel it. If you're shutting it out, you're probably feeling it more. Um give yourself some love and yeah, step away from that fear aspect because that's feeding the feeding the beast.

SPEAKER_03 37:38

That's such good advice. I mean, I think that it always feels like such a tall ask or a tall order whenever clients are working with me or I'm I'm working with me if I'm going through it. Um, to be like, oh, you know, you should meditate or something like that. It's like, oh, maybe I just need to lay and cry and think about loving myself and the universe. Maybe that's plenty.

SPEAKER_01 38:01

I like to take a deep bath.

SPEAKER_03 38:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:05

Just relax the muscles. And then like when you feel good, then you can do more, you know. And sometimes we don't have that luxury to be able to have the time to love ourselves. But I think that's what like just having that anchor in the work and maybe like the the loop of healing does for one, like when when it comes to times like this, it's like, oh, I did all this work to prepare myself for this moment. I don't have time to go meditate right now. I gotta get on the streets and like you know, make my voice heard or something. Like, that's great too. Like, we we're doing the work for for it to live inside of our body so that just pops out when it needs to.

SPEAKER_03 38:45

I love that. Yeah, because sometimes action is the thing too, where it's like the the misery comes from not taking action sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

Yeah, for real. Yeah. The self, self-hatred, self-doubt, like you know, um, I should be doing this, the shoulds. Might not just go do it. I it's hard for I know. Everyone, everything has their its place too, you know. Like some people are meant to do this much, some people are meant to do that, or you know, like as long as we put in what what we are good at doing, then I think that's good. And that that adds up to a lot, actually. If everyone just put in like a 1% effort towards something like together, that's unstoppable.

SPEAKER_03 39:27

Yeah, I love the saying we all have a role to play in the resistance. I it's one of my favorites. It is. I think you're right.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

There we can't all be playing the same role. Like it's organized. Yeah, there's a lot going on these days, huh? It's really it's hard. How are you all feeling about everything? Oh, you know.

The Book Born From Shared Dreams

SPEAKER_02 39:57

That's it's it's a very special episode we could do on that topic. Um but I think, you know, to to what you're asking, you know, just being mindful of everyone asking their communities and their friends and their families and checking in and and being receptive to hearing others' worries and what they're going through. So thank you for asking. Yeah, it resonates. It means a lot. Um, I want to go back to the one thing we have not talked about, which is your book. Can you tell us a little bit that our listeners can look forward to reading in in your book? I mean, first of all, congratulations. This is a huge accomplishment and it's in the world and it's beautiful. And I think that it's so important, even with what we were just discussing, you know, listening to your inner voice, listening to your intuition. That's what's keeping you safe. That's what's um, you know, your home inside of your body. So that all has to do with the Akasha as well.

SPEAKER_01 40:54

Absolutely. Um the book is here. I'm so excited, I can't even believe it. Um, I've wanted to write a book since I was in high school. Like my goal, I was like, I just loved my English teacher, and he would give me books to read, um, like after school, like books, you know, and I'm just like, yeah, I want to be an author. And I always told him that. And I went to college with that uh idea of becoming an English teacher just like him because he was so inspiring to me. Didn't happen. I made more money bartending, so I didn't become a teacher, which I'm happy about. Now I have a bartending school and I'm teaching bartending, you know, through that. Uh, so that's great. But the book is uh a lifelong dream. Um and the way it happened was like so I don't know, it's rooted in uh a tragedy, I guess, but it's been alchemized into like this whole bigger thing now. And I don't even know, I don't even know where to start, but it really started with this woman named Sandra who started having dreams about us after we experienced this tragedy. And um we were in India reconciling, and um this woman works with my sister-in-law's husband at um construction company, and she randomly just started having dreams about us, and she told them our first dream, uh her first dream, and they were like, maybe we won't tell them this, you know, it's fine. But then she had another dream, and it was about the exact location we were in in India. Um, so they gave us both dreams while we were there, and it really set us off on this journey/slash mission mission where we met people in real life that she had dreams about that she didn't know about. So it was um that's where it all started, and that's where I started exploring more, and we called ourselves soul detectives at the time. We became like soul detectives, and that's what led me to the Akasha and about teaching about it and bringing the message of you are enough and like connect with yourself. Like that's what that's what the book really is. Sure, practice this, practice that, eat this. This is what this means, this is what the scientific thing says about this, so you should believe it. Sure, surface level, sure, but really it's about really loving yourself, just letting yourself love yourself and accepting yourself and going out into the world knowing that you are enough and you are special. Um, but she is the person who started this and started the whole journey. So I really have to uh I always thank her. It's all because of her and her courage to really share a skill. Scary thing because telling people about your intuitive dreams is a scary thing to do. She's not someone who does this, this isn't her line of work. And she took a really brave step and it changed my life. And now we're here. So thank you. But it's really thanks to Sandra, is what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

So beautiful. So I guess people can really look forward to exploring more of how interconnected we all are, even to our sister's husband's co-worker.

SPEAKER_01 44:34

Isn't that amazing? My God. Like it's all the way in the back. So you can read her dreams and everything that happened.

SPEAKER_02 44:43

But wow.

SPEAKER_01 44:45

It it did change my life.

SPEAKER_02 44:48

Wow. This is so I just got chills for a second. Also, please watch Pluribus and then text me afterwards because I'm like freaking out. I'm like, ah, like you're gonna freak out.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

Like you might just, okay. I wish that was my homework. I would have watched it and then we could have come and talked about it. Like, you have homework to do. You have to watch a show and then come on our show and talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 45:10

And I live alone and I just out loud to myself, I said, is this about the Akashic Records? Like you know, like yelling at out loud.

SPEAKER_01 45:20

Yes, tell me. It's Frozen 2. Watch Frozen 2 and think about that.

SPEAKER_03 45:26

You know, I can kind of see that. Yeah, no, I get it.

unknown 45:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

That's the movie where I was like, this is literally about the Akashic Records.

SPEAKER_02 45:35

Will will I understand Frozen 2 if I have not seen Frozen One? Yeah. Yeah, you're good.

SPEAKER_03 45:41

It's fine. It's a snowman. It's fine.

Making Soundscapes From Rock Frequency

SPEAKER_02 45:44

Oh my gosh. Amazing. I want to tap into really quickly. We have sort of overlapping interdisciplinary worlds. So I'm so curious to ask you about this as well. In December, you created a soundscape for the shape of memory, which was a multi-sensory experience in collaboration with Fatih Janice for New York City Jewelry Week. Wow. Oh my God, New York City Jewelry Week is like the coolest thing. It's not just showrooms. It's like really cool. Yeah, I want to say it's JB Jones. And I'm trying to think of some of the other founders that I've worked with. But it is like, I don't know how to describe it to anyone except that it's not like showroom appointments or it is like the coolest, most artistic jewelry artisans and craftsmanship and like experiences. So I'm so curious how you got involved in this. And I mean, like, that is a cool, you have so many multi-hyphenate things. I mean, you just said you like run a bar school. Like, what the hell? I'm a weirdo. There's a lot going on. I love this. So please, yeah, please tell me a little bit about how this came to be. And like creating an environment.

SPEAKER_01 46:53

So Fati, um, I've known Fati for like 20 years. She's amazing. She used to front this band called uh Sugar and Gold, which I loved. It was so cool. And um, she knew my husband uh back then. I didn't before I knew him, she knew him. Um but she came to my art show. I did an art show with the beautiful, lovely, I love her so much, Mary Greasy, um, who's an amazing medium channel. She's so cool, and she channels these like woven angel like guardian pieces, like huge, like it's she weaves it all. I don't know, she's so cool, but she we did an art show together where I did the soundscape for her art show. So I um recorded a rose and then I produced the recording that I got as like this loop that played in the gallery, and then I connected um a live rose to a reader and had that as my piece where like if you go and touch it, like it changes the music because it's connected to your frequency. Oh my god, it was really cool. But Fati came to that art show and was like, whoa, can you I'm I'm I'm gonna have an art show for um you know New York City Jewelry Week. Can you do a soundscape for me? And I was like, Yeah. She's like, Can you record rocks? I'm like, probably, yes, I can do it. I didn't know how to record rocks then. I was like, yes, I'm gonna do it. We're gonna do it. So we started planning it and I figured out how to record rocks and like the frequency within them. So I created a loop for her uh solo show, the Shape of Memory, um, which played throughout the gallery, and I made uh two tracks out of it. We didn't have a live demonstration because I was like traveling through the airport and like the weird devices I have. I'm like, I'm Iranian, like I'm not gonna.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

But in my mind's eye, you're like you're if you're in the space and you're like holding a microphone up to a rock, that's how imagine I'm imagining you right now and it's personal.

SPEAKER_01 48:59

It's um I feel these like copper coils that uh that um measure the energy within the rock, and then that is transcribed like that the that energy is measured in like how do I say it? It's it's not a sound, but it's a measurement that I then translate into sound. So I I make the measurement into a sound and then I loop it, and then like I do a little producing. I'm like, sounds cool if I add a little reverb here, or you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 49:30

I'm so obsessed with this. I love this. So, so cool.

SPEAKER_01 49:35

Yeah, it was really fun. I think we're gonna do it again this year, so it's really exciting. Well, then I will see you at New York City Jewelry Week. Oh my gosh, like no. I'm gonna attempt to measure the frequency of metal and turn it into music. So let's see how that goes. It seems a little more difficult than rock because rock is like I don't know, it's so like natural. It's just metal, but I went to the river, you know, there was water involved, like it's a lot easier to measure energy when there are all these like nature elements just working. But with metal, it I I'm I'm curious. We'll see how what happens.

SPEAKER_03 50:13

Yeah, I've never heard that. I've heard plant music before, which is so so cool.

SPEAKER_01 50:18

So cool. Oh we'll see what happens.

Simple Self Care To Get Present

SPEAKER_03 50:23

So shifting gears a little, what tools and practices do you tend to lean on in your own personal care, self-care? Like what are your go-tos?

SPEAKER_01 50:35

Well, um, my go-tos have become really simple these days, usually um wind, just walking in nature, um, sunlight if I can get it, uh, breath. And I like closing my eyes and sitting in silence. Very simple things. Sipping tea, drinking water. I feel like these are like anything that'll bring me to the present moment and get me out of my loops. Um, I feel like are powerful tools for me. It's because I can get I can go, I'm an overthinker, I have a lot of ideas, I'm open to the universe. So sometimes it gets really distracting and convoluted and get lost in my loops. So anything that'll bring me to the present moment is a great tool for me personally. It's different for everyone.

SPEAKER_03 51:31

Yeah, I love that. It's always so interesting to hear what practitioners think of as their go-to tools, and they're often those deep yet simple. It's like deceptively simple. Like it seems like it's simple, but it's truly not.

SPEAKER_01 51:47

But isn't that like the whole theme for life where we're like kind of like like it's this big thing? It's like, no, it's so simple, actually. Yeah, let's simplify.

SPEAKER_03 51:59

No, I love that. I love it's been a really beautiful theme because I think it brings us back to really anything that we do with intention is a spiritual practice, and it's nice to think about what works for you with intention.

SPEAKER_01 52:11

So true. Whatever brings you to the present moment, I think. Yeah.

Astrology Placements And Busy Minds

SPEAKER_02 52:15

Yeah. We hear a lot of like breathing or moving, like dancing, like those are the things that we hear the most about. It's like the simplest, but like getting out of your mind and getting into your body. And you must constantly be in your mind. I have to know, do you have any Gemini placements? You got like a lot of uh No, I have a lot of Gemini placements. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I I have a few Gemini placements. I have a Gemini moon, and I always tell people it's like having tabs open like all the time. And it's like, which one am I going to like go work on? So highly related. Well, you're three. Highly relate. Oh, I'm a Pisces sun, Gemini moon, Aries rising.

SPEAKER_01 52:55

Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_02 52:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:57

Cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:59

I'm a Gemini rising Leo Sun, Pisces moon.

SPEAKER_01 53:03

Oh, cool. Oh my gosh. Pisces. I have a lot of Pisces in my life. Um, my husband and my son are both spicy Pisces. I like his whole family is Pisces. Um, some of my best friends are Pisces. Yeah, Pipe. I think Pisces and I gel well together. Um, but I'm a Gemini sun, Aquarius moon, Virgo rising. Oh. Like that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 53:27

Yeah. And the Aquarius moon, too, is like you just don't give a fuck what anybody thinks. Like it's the best.

SPEAKER_01 53:34

I'm excited to have Aquarius. I just like I love Aquarius people because of that reason.

Upcoming Album Art Show And Movie

SPEAKER_02 53:42

It's one of my favorites. Yeah, I have an Aquarius Venus, and it is like the best thing. Like in relationships, I tend to want too much space, which is not great. But like when it comes to things that I love and like you know, my work is my life, like I am so detached to what other people think about it. And it's like, I'm just doing it for me, baby. And Aquarius is like that, and I love that so so much. But I was like, I'm I think there's a lot of Gemini going on there. Speaking of Gemini and like running with all those open tabs, what are you focusing on this year? What's the upcoming for you? What's what kind of projects can we expect from you? I know we just sort of previewed, we heard one before we started recording, but you don't have we don't have to talk about it if you're not ready yet.

unknown 54:25

I'm ready, I'm ready.

SPEAKER_01 54:26

Okay, perfect. I'm really excited about the New York City Jewelry, but that's not until like November. Um, I am working on, I have a lot of tabs open, as you would imagine. And one thing that's more immediate is I have a soundtrack for Cloud Watching album coming out, which I recorded water, and um I'm really excited about it. I'm working with an amazing uh partner musician named David Allred, who has produced a lot of the album at this point. I recorded it at Tiny Telephone with Miriam Quotas, who's an amazing producer/slash mixer. And um I'm really excited for this to come out. Fati and I are actually working on an art show to present this soundtrack for cloud watching to the world. Um, the home we had for it was actually recently sold. So the gallery we were gonna have our opening at was sold. So now we're looking for a new gallery. Last minute we'll find it, the right place will come. But we have a really cool art show in place, and she's gonna create a whole uh jewelry line based on cloud watching and clouds, and and it's gonna be a fully immersive experience with the diff the different clouds formating like all throughout the gallery as you're walking through it, and you know, um, we'll see. I mean, maybe I'm like putting too much out there now. It's putting the cart before the horse because our gallery just sold, but it'll happen. It's happening. And um, yeah, besides that, I've been working, I've been writing a lot, and uh I've moved from book to movie. I'm writing a movie and I'm really excited about it. So that's that's what's happening in my life right now. I'm really excited. I'm gonna make a movie. Yeah, I'm like, yeah. You are right now.

SPEAKER_02 56:23

Yes. Oh, I'm so excited for you. That sounds amazing. You have Uranus coming into your sign too. That's gonna help like push all of those things along, like the great disruptor. Oh, yeah, Uranus is going into Gemini. I'm gonna probably misquote. I want to say April 26th. Yeah, so I'm getting ready for that house to be rocked. Yeah. Yeah. In the best way. In the best way. So I feel like the gallery not working out is not a bad thing. Like a bigger place for more clouds is opening up for you. I love it. Thank you. I'm excited.

SPEAKER_01 56:56

Yay.

How To Find Rohini And Closing

SPEAKER_03 56:57

Yeah, that's so exciting. How can people best find you and support your work so they can stay in touch?

SPEAKER_01 57:04

Thanks. Um, best way is just to go to my website, www.magicinclined.com. And everything's there. I feel like you're commercial.

SPEAKER_02 57:20

Thanks. So cute. So cute. Well, thank you so much for joining us today. And we're really excited for everyone to read your book.

SPEAKER_03 57:28

Yes, that's what's so wonderful. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:30

Thank you. Thank you. It was my honor to sit with you too. I'm glad we made it work. Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 57:36

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