#41 - Using Energetics to Sell, Lead & Grow in Business - With Anna-Teresa

What happens when energy work meets grounded business strategy? In this episode, I sit down with Anna-Teresa for a powerful conversation about energy, visibility, money, embodiment, and what it truly takes to build a business that feels aligned. We explore the balance between energetics and strategy, the hidden fears many healers and facilitators carry around being seen, and why your business growth is always connected to your personal growth.

Key Takeaways

⚡ Why healers and facilitators often carry unconscious fears around visibility and money
⚡ The difference between strategy that supports you vs. strategy that disconnects you from yourself
⚡ How embodiment changes the way you sell, lead, and hold success
 ⚡ Why business growth is one of the fastest paths for personal and energetic expansion

About Anna-Teresa

Anna-Teresa is an energetic business mentor and energy worker who supports healers, facilitators, and creators in building aligned businesses through embodiment, nervous system work, energetic clearing, and strategy. After years guiding Kundalini transformation journeys and facilitator trainings, she now combines energetic precision work with business mentoring to help clients create sustainable success and deeper alignment.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

In this episode, I'm talking with Anna. We're talking about energy and strategy and what it really takes to grow your business. I love her perspective on this and how embodied she is in the work that she does. She also just went through a massive transition, going from being a Kundalini teacher and giving teacher trainings around Kundalini. Now she is an energetic business coach. She works with energy, she works with healers, with creators, and I really wanted to invite her into this podcast because I know that you will love this conversation. If you ever felt like you're doing all the right things, but something is not going the way you wanted it to go, this episode might shift how you look at money visibility and what might really be holding you back. And whether it is more strategy that you need or a shift in your energy. Welcome to the Bold Expansion Podcast. You are here because you know your business is meant for more. I'm your host, Ame Drost, and this is where you'll learn how to make more money, create transformational offers, and step into your truth as a leader. Through premium strategy, identity work and my signature method, Millionaire Breath Work. Each week you'll get the strategy and the shifts to expand your wealth, your impact, and your freedom. This is Bold Expansion. Are you ready? Hello Anne. So good to have you here on the podcast episode. I am super excited to share your work with my audience and to have a juicy conversation because you are an energy worker and business mentor. For those who are listening here today, can you give a short introduction about yourself?

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Hi, I am so happy and grateful to be here with you. Super exciting. Yes, so my path has been quite a deep one in the spiritual world and has lately brought me into business mentoring as well. And my work has transformed many times, but basically just going deeper and deeper into the more subtle worlds. And recently I felt a call to bring more grounding into all of that and use my skills and strategies as a business mentor as well, and bring that into the healing world. Yeah. So can you share a little bit about those chapters?

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Where have you been before you became a business mentor?

SPEAKER_00 2:19

Yeah, I'd love to. It's actually been a long path. I came to India the first time when I was 18 years old from a very disrupted household childhood, and found my grounding, my embodiment there for the first time in my life in yoga, in Ayurveda, in all those alternative medicine studies that I followed for many years. I was there for 15 years, on and on. And yeah, from going into ashrams for months and meditation retreats and all that kind of stuff. At some point it just emerged that I couldn't fit into the Western kind of concepts of life anymore. And this was really what I wanted to do with my life. Besides all of that journey, I was also studying. I was an anthropologist, I have a master's degree in migration management as well. And I was working in the NGO field. So I was working with refugees and victims of human trafficking for many times and many years. And basically, I went from burnout to burnout because I could never help enough. I could never do enough as what I really wanted to do in the world. And it took a switch at some point where I realized that helping people on a one-on-one level can actually transform so, so much. And for that, the switch also had to be that I had to take care of myself first and foremost to be able to shine into this world and to be able to actually make a difference and not surf from a place of flack or scarcity myself. And yeah, the last four years I was guiding people through kundalini transformations, which resulted from my own kundalini awakening. And I just had to go through the hardest, toughest time myself, and I had to pull myself out of it. And this just led to me being uh having a really deep understanding of this energy and how it works with the body and how we can manage all these symptoms of awakening, of ascension. And yeah, so I guided people through longer journeys, three months' journeys online with me, and then ran a lot of facilitated trainings in Kundalini activation. And last year there was a switch, and I said, okay, there must be something new. I want to bring something else into this world. I'm craving more grounding. And I unpacked my skills from a time in advertising agencies and marketing agencies and brought this into my work. So now today I'm working with energy with a technique that is a very high precision kind of technique. And I combine it with the business, with the personal branding, with the strategy skills.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

I love that so much. Okay, we're definitely gonna dive more into the business side of things as well. But let's start with the first word that you mentioned about the Kundalini awakening. I know a lot of my listeners probably recognize themselves in some things that you were sharing about going to India, about having all those realizations, but also being in burnout and in and out of burnouts. I've done that path myself a little bit, although I would say that I've just had one really big burnout and then I was done with that. But yeah, the pattern of overgiving is something that's very well known in the coaching industry. A lot of people get into this space, into the healer's space because they overgive. And I think the sweet spot is when you actually balance that because you can only give as much as you're willing to receive as well. I am a little bit familiar with Kundalini and I've had one experience with it where I was guided by someone. I'm very curious about it still because I've only done it once and I know it takes longer. So it makes me super happy to hear that you've done those longer journeys with people of three months minimum. Because yeah, for me, that's something that I always tell when there's actually quite some people who do kundalini who reach out to me, who are curious about working with me. A lot of them don't see that it can go beyond just one workshop or one one-on-one session, or maybe someone does like multiple sessions, but then there's not a lot of guidance in that type of transformation. And yeah, for the business model that I work with, the premium expansion model, it's very connected towards not just using the tool, but really focusing on what is that transformation. And it sounds like you've been really integrating that in your work as well. Could you share a little bit about how that's different than what most Kundalini teachers or reciditators do? And what I'm also curious to hear from you is Kundalini Awakening. I know there's a big difference, but I think for the listeners, not everybody might know that. And the reason why I understand this so deeply is because I've asked my person that I went on this journey with, like the one that I did a session with about it, because I'm very picky with who I do energy work with. I really need to know that I trust this person, that I like their energy, because otherwise I don't want them messing with mine. So yeah, I was very careful with who I selected. I said no to a lot of opportunities to kundalini. And with her, she also explained that she had a kundalini awakening, and she explained to me how it was very different than just feeling a little bit of the kundalini energy. And I think it's important to make that distinction. So, can you share a little bit about that? Yeah, so we know the difference here.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

Yeah, I'd love to. What people are knowing about this kind of practice today, these Kundalini activations, is actually this one little experience where there is a lot of pranic energy or life force energy going through your system when you're being facilitated and somebody holds the field, holds the resonance so that your energy can actually flow freely. But what a proper kundalini awakening is, so mine was in a vipassana center in India, and at I don't know, day six or something, I just had a lightning bolt going through my spine, and it was a total bliss experience, followed by months and months of sleeplessness, totally losing it, my nervous system being burnt down to the ground, and it was really the toughest time of my life. So, what has happened here is that this energy was being set free, and with that, all of the karmic trauma energy that was still present in the lower parts of my spine. And this is why a Kundalini awakening, you don't want to force a full-on kundalini awakening with anyone. Because it's really challenging to work through all these emotions of this lifetime, of past lifetimes that you haven't had a chance to look at yet. So I really had to understand all the somatics, I had to understand how energy works. I was already practicing yoga for so long, so deeply, and still it was so challenging for me. And what I did in my three-month program is I taught people all of these aspects. So, what does your diet have to do with your energy? What does somatics have to do with it? Why is yoga a really important practice on this path? What about all the subtle outer energies, or what is the whole universe concept of dimensions and all of that has to do with it? And it's so freaking complex, and three months were of course never enough for that either. But it gave me a way to say, okay, I feel I feel that the work that I'm doing somehow has more substance than what has been taught in this kind of area, in this field up until then. And I would only take people through a Kundalini e-activation facilitator training once they have done these three months with me, at least. So today I feel it's great what is happening out there in the world. I feel it's amazing that people get to have these experiences, these little flashes. But also, yeah, the knowledge around that is super important because every now and then it's just like this little activation that must might have been missing for a person to have a really big awakening moment and to be able to manage that, living in a still normal Western world kind of life with a nine to five job, it's really challenging. I don't know if people can manage that. But at the same time, it brings us, it brings humanity to the level of consciousness where we realize, okay, maybe this model of life is just outdated, and that's not what we actually want. That's not what we are actually here for. And this is really the core of my mission in this world to give people the understanding to come back to themselves again and to work from that place and to share to with the world from that place. And the ones that feel called, that they are just right on spot for that.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

I love that. And I love that you're making it mandatory that they go through that own journey. I did something similar before I got my breathwork certificates. A lot of people asked me where I got my certificates. I actually had a mentor that did money breath work, and for a full year I was in her high-paid mastermind doing weekly once or twice at least my own breathwork. And then the second year I went in her facilitator training, which I think she didn't fully continue with, or I'm not sure about that. It wasn't the best because it was quite chaotic. It was the first round, but because we had that full year of fully embodying everything that we were teaching, it was completely different than anything else. And so this is something that you see with a lot of teacher trainings where it's just okay, someone did a session once and then they got excited and they did a teacher training, but that's not full embodiment. And yeah, I love that you combine that. And when I did my one Kundalini session, I had a really big opening as well, but nothing like what you're describing. And I remember coming out of it, like, oh, should I bring Kundalini also in what I do? Because a lot of people think that, right? And I had the thought as well. And there was this tarot card or the card deck laying there, and I remember going in with the intention, okay, yeah, maybe this is for me because I really love energy. My language speaks a lot about energy. I feel energy even before someone speaks. Even with the breastwork, I feel people's emotions just in the air. That's why I focus on power in my breath works because it's a much nicer emotion to feel for me. But yeah, that's what I went in with the intention for the card deck. And I kid you not, I picked up one card and it said no. Yeah. And then I was looking at this card and I was like, I don't understand it. I don't know. And it was the most clearest message I've ever gotten. And then I got home and I was like thinking about it was just not the answer I wished I got, but it was very clear.

SPEAKER_00 13:15

Yeah, and that's the problem because these trainings they last for five days, and then people are being sent out into the world, and as you said, the own resonance of a facilitator has a lot of impact, and people are not so aware of that. And this is yeah, this is a topic that is not much talked about because it's not really developed or really explored by a lot of people yet, and to be careful whom you're choosing to work with is definitely a thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

Yeah, I think like I always say, especially with theesthetic dance, which I'm very big on. People sometimes ask when they're new to it, yeah, I did one and I really didn't like it. And but yeah, it really depends on the DJ. And it's the same with any party, right? If you don't like the DJ, you probably don't like the party or the dance as much. And I think it's the same with facilitators. If you had a really bad experience with breath work, it doesn't mean breath work sucks. It just means that you had the wrong quote-unquote DJ in front of you.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

And it's the same with Kundalini. So yeah, it's so important. And I think the main thing here is embodiment, being embodied in your work. I keep repeating this to my clients, even to myself. Like, how can I reach a new level of embodiment? Because selling premium offers is really cool, and it's amazing that you can make a transformation for someone happen. But when you're not embodied in your work, everything is gonna feel harder. The sales part, the showing up part. So embodiment is key in everything. And I can see that you've really walked your walk there. And yeah, you went into a new season. You've worked with many clients, you have many people through your facilitation training, and now you're stepping into being a business mentor. How did you go about making that decision?

SPEAKER_00 14:53

Yeah, exactly. Actually, I had a few months last year where I was totally blank. I was like, okay, I don't want to do the kundalini work anymore. What's coming in for me? I'm not sure. And it was quite scary, I have to say, to have this kind of period, which is totally normal in a business or in a profession where you live by your own truth. And then at some point you have these seasons where you just like redevelop or re-emerge. And at some point I realized, wow, I had a lot of, I always wanted to do some kind of business mentoring, and it all kept coming back into my field, like old clients asking me about it, and me just being not sure until I realized, okay, there was some kind of emotional setback still that would hold me back from stepping into this role. And as soon as I overcame it, it was crystal clear. The offer was there, everything like the download, it was just like boom, full on. And the idea behind it was really to help all these people, all these facilitators, all these space holders, all these healers that I met along the path to bring embodiment into their practice to actually live off it and to actually come into abundance and come into this embodiment of this is also my business. This is also what I live off. This is not just my private journey, but this is what I'm here for to share. And these people that I've worked with, as I said, I went on longer journeys with them. So they actually did the work. They actually saw how gifted they were and how much medicine they carried for the world. But still, with some kind of holdbacks into bringing that work outside and living off it. And for me, it was a kind of grounding that I could bring into the world from all the transformational activation work and all of that, reaching other spiritual realms. I was like, okay, but this planet's on fire and we gotta do something. And it was a really beautiful step for me and still is to bring actual grounding into all these spiritual experiences and all of this work.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

I love that. Yeah, I think it's very related to the work that I do, although I think the balance is slightly different. Like I come more from the strategic side, you're a little bit more into energetics. We'll talk a bit about that as well. But it's so important. We're here in this human experience, and there's so many healers, facilitators, light workers, and they are very connected to spirit, to other realms. But yeah, if you really look down at why did I come to Earth, it is to be human and to really live here. And that means including the practical side of things like business, like money. And for me, this is really the game that we're in. It's really reaching a next level after another level. And for me making money and the income goals that I have, they're directly related to the impact that I'm making here. And I think a lot of healers, facilitators, they have some blockages around that still because of past conditioning. I would love to hear from you a bit like how do you see these things from strategy and energetics? Because you're more on the energetic side, right? And are you still working with Kundalini with your clients as well?

SPEAKER_00 19:18

Yeah, no, I'm not. I'm using another technique now, which is really high precision energy work, and I love that because we can actually go into all these, and I call them blocks just for the lack of a better wording, but we can go into all these energetic kinds of entities that might still be holding us back to embody our highest truth or shine our gift into the world. So I'm working with them with a technique that really goes into all kinds of realms, but for example, we could clear out fears of visibility, fears of responsibility, whatever it is that might block a person to actually step into their business from the limbic brain, from the amygdala, even more precisely. There is a lot of other work that I bring into these nervous system practices and kind of old kundalini yogic practices that are working with the energy field. And at the same time, I use this high precision energy work to clear out very specifically, which allows us to have really fast, really good results. And yeah, I know you're coming more from the strategic side, and I love that. And I used to say 80% of your business are not strategy, they're actually energy. And it's what's holding you back. It's like all the fears, all the doubts, all the guilt, all the shame that you're holding somewhere. And it's very common for healers to hold these kinds of emotions, to hold a kind of survival fear around being seen. Why? Because in past lives, there is a high chance that you had a past life in this kind of field as a healer, as somebody who brings healing into broken systems, and therefore being persecuted, being all the witch stories and so on. So, this is something, this is a resonance that we are actually carrying in our field, in this life, in our karmic body. And so a fear of being seen can become a survival fear, means the total nervous system goes into a total shutdown. And we can do as much nervous system work and stabilizing work as we want sometimes, but some of these are really gooey and really sticky and really hard to transcend. So, this is where I like to set in with my work to really go to the root. Before there's anything physicalized in the body, we actually go to the root of the problem and therefore can achieve a way, way faster transformation.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

And where do you see this trinity coming in? I'm very curious about this.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

I love that question. Yeah, I see actually I see the strategy is amplifying what your own field is already, or what your own field holds. So if you put a good strategy on all of that, it's just it's just a multiplier. But if at some point your own system is leaking or is holding you back, is get keeps pulling you back into procrastination, into yeah, all kinds of strategies, how we are sabotaging ourselves, really, then you can have the best strategy and nothing will work.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

Yeah, 100%. I will share a little bit about my vision, and I would love to hear your thoughts on that. So for me, it's really be do have, which then also comes with B is also your identity, your energy energy behind that, your belief system. So everything that you mentioned that you're working with. And this is so key. I also know that there's a lot of coaches, heaters, facilitators who have already done so much work there. And of course, there's a new level that you can unlock when you combine it with business. That's also what excites me about personal growth and about business growth combined, because business growth is really this accelerator of your personal growth. But most coaches, heaters, facilitators that I work with, they know to a certain extent how to hold themselves through these things. And then I have the tool of breath work. Some identity work tools, but that's the part of being and really being aware also of the identity, how you're holding yourself back, bringing that awareness, shifting through it. But then if you only work on identity, then there's no action. So without the strategy, a lot of people that I've seen in my field, they get stuck. And they don't get stuck because of their wounds. They get stuck because even without the wound, they don't know where to walk next. And that's for me where strategy, and also why strategy is my focus, because I know a lot of my people already have been doing a lot of the inner work. And when you do the inner work for a very long time, for many years, because most coaches, heaters, facilitators do the work themselves for many years before they become that, it is a very comfortable place for them to hang out. I'm a really big fan of working through blockages, but sometimes blockages are just created by the thought, oh, maybe there's a blockage holding me back, and there's not a lot of confidence in what next step they would take, because it's much more fun, quote unquote, fun, comfortable to stay in the block and to be like, yeah, I have an inner child wound. Yeah, this is wrong, that is wrong, because that's what they know, that's what they are familiar with. So how do you separate, okay, this is actually a block, and this is just something you're creating now because you're not clear on your next step?

SPEAKER_00 24:31

Love that. What I what comes to me is that when you set a map and that is a very clear map that people can follow because you have gone through this process yourself, you have collected all these experiences, and you can see very clearly what a good map for your client would be. And when clients can then follow, that is totally a work or a strategy to work through blocks too. So there is not just one method like energy work, somatic work, whatever it might be, to work through a block. There are like so many methods, and all of them are amazing and valid and have their time and space in everyone's life, I hope. So this what you are doing, setting out a good strategy that works as a framework where they can actually face their shadows, can face their fears, is totally a way to work through blocks. Yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

Yeah, yeah, it's just a different, like it's the same but different. And with the be do have, there's also some people you're familiar with the concept, the be do have?

SPEAKER_00 25:30

Not really.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

So interesting. I thought the whole world knew about this, and a breastwork session here in person in Tenerife the other day, and I was sharing about this, and I asked to raise some hands if they knew what I was talking about, and there was like half a hand from someone that was actually my mastermind client who was there. So I was like, okay, I need to break this down more. So the concept be do have is be first, be the version of you that can have the results. Then you do, because when you be that version, the behavior, the action become natural to you, and then you can have it. So it's not the other way around. A lot of people are like, I want to have this, so what do I need to do for it? And then I will become. But that's thinking the wrong way. And this is also the work that you do, where when you work through the blockages first, you become that version, the identity, and then you do the action step, and it implementation goes much faster, it amplifies. It's the same what I do with the breastwork. But yeah, with me, it it goes a little bit back and forth between be that version and do, because sometimes you just need to try out a certain strategy, just as you need to try out a certain methodology or like a healing technique, and then you will see is it for you, yes or no. Same with the strategy. And in that process, you will also become so it's a little bit of this dance. I compare it to starting your car, and like when you need to put on the key for the engine to start, and then you put the gas pedal. So you do need some force to get started, and then the car just drives smoothly. But yeah, it's about the identity work first, because when you go to the gym, let's say, and you have the identity of I go twice or three times a week to the gym, it's very easy to go. If you miss a day, the next day you're like, Yeah, but I'm someone who goes to the gym. So let me just go to the gym now because that's me. It's the same with showing up in business. Some of my clients, they still have more resistance than others towards implementing strategy or towards money. The other day, one of my clients who had an incredible month in April, she had in three weeks sold out her one-on-one, made 12k pounds, so about 15k in euros. And then we pivoted towards a one-to-many program, and she sold that already as well. So now she's at a 15k pound and she's actually slowing down because she has now a lot of clients that she needs to deliver to and to recalibrate and think about her offers again. But the only reason that she was able to do this, even without creating a website, creating all the things, is because she followed my strategy to a T. She just implemented everything. And another client just joined and asked, does anybody have any advice for me? And she said, just do it, how may explains it. Just lean into it, just really follow all the steps, because that's how I got my results. And she got them so incredibly fast because she was willing to lean in. Some clients they have a harder time with that because of more blocks there. So I think for everybody, there's a different medicine that's needed in different times. Some people can hold themselves better. A lot of my clients actually work with more energy methodologies, and then also in combination with being a business mentor. And one of them, she works with EFT. And this is really powerful. My mom has been working with EFT since I was little, and she was having quite a tough time also implementing things and having some blockages. And the best advice I could give her, the best tool, was to be really embodied in her work. So she dialed up her own practice again, and now she's sending me messages like, I am just so inspired. It's going so fast. I'm going through all my blockages, I'm having more belief in my system. Because she is her own first testimonial. And that's the shift. Like, some people need the strategy because they've been in this way too long in this cycle of digging a hole of there must be another block and that's why it's not working. But actually, they lack the right strategy to move forward. And others are already flying, they're already doing the thing, and they just want to fly faster. Because most of the time, business is just about getting out of your own way.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

Yeah, yeah, totally. I love that. And I love to combine it as well. So in my program, I take clients on the journey where we do the weekly clearings, where we do the energetic practices, but also I take them week by week on a journey where they are developing their own, their own products, their own offers that's really coming from the core of their being. Because that is my belief that I feel like everyone has their offer that's really so aligned to who they are, to their energetic blueprints, that only they can bring into this world. So we are going on a journey where we are developing that, and then I'm giving them a strategy which is also very individualized to who they are and how they can bring it out into the world. So yeah, I definitely think we have to combine them both.

SPEAKER_01 30:11

Yeah, 100%. And I also like what you said, how everybody has slightly different strategy because yeah, like what I gave as an example with my client, she followed that part of my strategy to a T, but I have many strategies and they're all for different phases in your business. And yeah, when were you? I would love to hear like a moment where you had an energy block or an identity block, and you worked through that yourself and you saw the most incredible results. Maybe it's even the moment where you realized, okay, I outgrew the Kundalini business and now I'm going into the next one.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

Totally, exactly. I mentioned it before. I had I had this realization at some point that wow, I still have a kind of guilt story with money or working as a business mentor, or something was still there. I couldn't even like right now, I couldn't even tell you what exactly it was. It could be a story with the masculine, where I don't trust the masculine so much. And I that's why I went into all these feminine practices of rebirthing and emotional activation and so on. But I realized at some point, pretty much in November, October, I remember. And I worked through that. And from there onwards, it emerged like this is actually what I want to do, what I want to bring into this world, because I love working creatively, I love branding, I love all of these things. And it was really just something that held me back. And the first time that I started my online business, as in bringing, taking people on these Kundalini journeys online for many months, a year, and there was a step where I actually came from taking these, creating these facilitated trainings, also these five days' trainings in person, to actually coming online and understanding, okay, so all of my clients will come from online now. This means I have to show up more and I have to actually sell this online and so on. So the evolvement, new kinds of little blocks that would show up. And I remember my friend taking me through the money story, and he would hold his hand on my chest and say, Anna, of course you can ask for that kind of money. Money is not bad. And I would be sobbing. I was crying so much, and I could feel all this guilt that has been accumulating in my body come out, and I was crying through that, and it's so understandable with my story because I was working with refugees, with victims of human trafficking. I always learned that money must be very hard-earned, and there's barely enough ever in the story in how I grew up. So there was so much guilt around that, and also the stories of people with money are bad and so on. We all know that. I had to have the biggest emotional release to go through that. And we always think money is such a rational topic, but no, it's totally emotional. It's energy, of course, it's emotional. So yeah, I had some profound breakthroughs on my journey with uh clearing of blocks and then stepping into a new identity. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

Yeah, I love that, especially the connection with money. I've gone through my own journey there. I think for me growing up, I was very early on shown that money actually can bring you a lot of good things. So for me, money has always been something that I admired a lot. And then also I realized I should not put it on that pedestal as well. And there were some dynamics where I felt like money had left me alone just to sort out my own shit and it wasn't there for me. So it's really this relational connection. And I did uh one of my breastworks, I always theme them. One of them is called Money Loves Me More, and to really play with that energy of it's not just me trying to heal it, because then you're again in this dynamic of a relationship where you're the anxious attached one and you're fighting for it and you're making it happen. But actually, how amazing if you would really feel in your nervous system that money is chasing you and not the other way around. Or maybe it's not even chasing you, but it's just there in a very grounded, healthy way. And there's always more coming to you. And this is so important. It's actually for me one of the most spiritual things that you can do because money is energy, like you said. And the more energy you have, the more space you can take up in this world, the more good you can do with it. So it's really an amplifier. Same with what you said with your tools, it is an amplifier. And what you already have, what you have in place, if you already have an amazing certificate, amazing skills, and learning how to sell will amplify that. But also, if you have a business and you have some strategies that work, then the energy work will amplify that. Yeah, it's super powerful and it's energy. Money is the same, it's also energy. So, yeah, if anybody is listening to this, what comes through for me, if you feel triggered by this, write a letter about how much you love money. And maybe even write a letter from the point of view of money, how much it loves you.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

Yeah. Yeah, I love that. So, one practice that I love to do with my clients is I get them to write out 10 reasons why they should be rich or why they must be rich, actually. And this is a practice that I loved so much for my own process because it showed me how innocent I am with money, really. Because the first thing that I wrote down, and that's that's many years back, was like, I want to be rich, or I should be rich because I want to be always able to afford organic food. I want to be able to give money to my mom. I want to be able to buy fair trade, to buy a land that is actually belonging to the animals then. And all of these kind of really sweet and not innocent things. And was such a beautiful practice to show me, okay, there is, it is really literally a neutral energy, and there is nothing that we have to block out or will make us become a bad person.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

I love that word innocent. I've done a practice like this before, but I've never really reflected it back to myself. Like I know I'm a good human, I have a good heart, it amplifies my heart. So logically, I know that, but this makes it so practical because yeah, I know I want money to help my mom retire in a way that she couldn't ever have imagined. I want to help my dad be able to keep the spiritual center that is closed now that he ran for 20 years for as long as possible without any financial pressure to need to sell it to someone that doesn't make it as beautiful as a place that it has been until now. So there's all these reasons why money has a good place to stay with me. And now with this practice, I'm definitely gonna do it. I can really connect the dots for myself as well because sometimes it stays so abstract, right? Yeah, I would do good things with money, but what would you do with it? And why does it need to flow to you? That's also something that's really sexy to money, like that energy of direction. And there's there's a lot, like we can maybe do another podcast, especially about money, even. But yeah, there's so many dynamics with money and energy and the masculine side of money, the feminine side of money, where the masculine side is just enough money, always enough money. Most people have that actually. Money is very supportive in that way. Whenever you feel like there's not enough, in whatever magical way it appears. But the money that I'm not playing with is feminine energy. It's the money that is in overflow that comes from desire. Not because you need more, because but because you desire more. That's exactly why I'm running the challenge this month or next month, or when this episode goes live, it's already May. About shamelessly sell. And that's really about I don't need more clients, I don't need more money, but I desire it. And I desire it so much that I almost need it because this is my highest calling. This is really what I want to call in. And I want more money because I want to be that example for others. I want to do all those things, like really the shoots, like what should I do when I have the money, and to actually do those and to fulfill them. And yeah, just that energy of I want to feel rich. I want to feel like I'm now also working on the launch of my retreat that is probably only exclusively for the mastermind, but it's called rich and regulated. So playing a lot more also with that archetype of what does it actually mean to feel rich? Not just to have a lot of money in the bank account, but to actually feel I am rich. There's so many things that when I started to earn more money, that I still subconsciously had this thought about I cannot buy this because it's only for the rich. But what does that mean? Quantify. One of the things that I did was I got my eye laser surgery. And I'm so freaking grateful for them every single day. It wasn't that expensive. I had made up this story in my mind that it was like 20,000 euros. I never googled it. Then I Googled it, it's 3,000 euros. You recover within a couple of days. I was like, oh my god, why didn't I do this years ago? And yeah, it's still such a gift to wake up and to be able to see. And a friend of mine just mentioned about how she is making more money now and she invested into a very good chair to sit behind her desk. And she almost felt guilty about spending 100 euros on that. But that's old programming. It's really holding yourself back because if you sit on a chair every freaking day, you deserve a really luxurious chair. I'm actually not sitting on a proper chair right now. That's I think the only downside of being more of a digital nomad and living in different houses that you cannot like all the time get the high-quality stuff. But yeah, those are things like one of the rules I have with money is when you use something every day or almost every day, spend good money on it because it's so important that you treat yourself the way how you want to be treated in this world and not do anything less because of money. Because so many people say, yeah, that's there's so much programming around not wanting to spend too much. And one of the things that really helped me is the energy of respect towards money, not misusing it, also not just like forwarding it and not spending it at all, but seeing it really for what it is and respecting it for the extension that it brings to you and the amplifying of your soul, of your heart, of your being.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

I love that. I love that especially the part of where you divide it into the feminine and masculine energy with money, like the feminine is just this overflow. That's amazing. So playful energy.

SPEAKER_01 40:31

I love that. Yeah. And what would you say in your business has been? We talked a little bit about like where you were using your energy, but the biggest bold expansion moment, and maybe it's just every season is another, like, I see that you're on this ascending path. So maybe every next chapter is this new bold expansion for you. But I also know that you mentioned that every launch that you do sells out.

SPEAKER_00 40:55

Can you share? Exactly. So I would say the latest moment was that I only just launched my new business in the end two, three months ago. So I'm totally new in all of this. I thought I'd be building on something that I already had established, but in within the first two weeks, I realized no, people have zero idea what I'm talking about. And I really have to set it up from the base again so that people understand what I am doing now and what I'm here for. And yeah, like I said, there was a it was a few months, like two months, three months maybe, where I recalibrated from actually being like, okay, yeah, I really want to do this now, into having the product, having everything come in as a download, being really precise with it, and then launching it. And it was a miracle to myself that I sold this out then within one and a half months to really fill every spot in this program. And I've came to realize that I always did that. So many years ago, I was hosting yoga retreat, and miraculously I had the first retreat during the time of COVID. So COVID hit, and we were like, okay, somehow we're still going to do this. You can imagine people were terrified to go anywhere on holidays with other people. But it was uh the first retreat, and somehow some blessings came in. We had a big influencer joining our the first retreat, and it was a plant-based middle retreat, so she was a plant-based influencer and brought all these clients in at once. And then I did it again. I was feeling the calling that I should share, that I should train people how to do this Kundalini activation facilitator work. Boom, first training sold out. I went online and brought them, brought the bigger journey to people. Boom, sold out. And I always did it this way. And I'm very strong in manifesting. I really know what I want at some point, and then I go for it and I make it work however. And I know how to tweak my energy, I know how to work with the field to make things happen. And I really think that it's something that people can learn and everybody can do this. Yeah, it's a great story to even think of it myself, to go deeper into this kind of knowing that nothing can ever happen to me, to feel even more safe with myself, with money, with supported by the universe, so that I know that whatever I'm gonna do, it will work out.

SPEAKER_01 43:32

It's so exciting. And you're in Rush. Can we celebrate you for your numbers? How many people joined? What is the price point? Do you feel comfortable sharing that?

SPEAKER_00 43:40

Yeah. So it's 10 people now for the first round. I am launching the second round in two days, actually. The numbers, the price will rise a bit because I am yeah, because I'm seeing the results, because I see how it works. I've done the first round, and of course, it will be more precise now for the second one and so on. I I will not share the prices now because I'm not sure how to talk to them yet. But you can always come to my Instagram website, whatever, and check it out. I have a free PDF uploaded where you can see all the details. And yeah, and I'm looking at ways how to expand, of course. So this is something that I love to work with these 10 people because I work very, very individually with everyone. I'm very close with everyone. I really guide them through every step of the process, and I see where somebody is struggling a bit more, I give them more attention and so on. Then also I have the gold package where people can book three extra one-on-one sessions with me, plus have the total WhatsApp support 24-7. And this is something that I just came to realize that this is giving me life because there were moments of doubt of is this not too much? Is this something like even am I giving too much of my energy? And I'm a projector, so I have to be very protective of my energy. And in the end, I swear I do never work more than three, two to three hours a day. Ever and it somehow still works. So I'm good. And I realize that this is a way that I really can serve the best. And I love to do it. I love to be close with the people that are going on this journey with me. Nevertheless, of course, I'm um yeah, so sitting with my expansion strategies now and where I want to be going next. And I think one thing that really comes to my mind is to go more into like masterminds, into where people are already quite successful, but they want to go and reach the next level. So this is something that I'm sitting with at the moment, and we will see. And that's so exciting!

SPEAKER_01 45:54

Yeah, this is definitely something that is very natural in like the next step, whether it comes from a group program, which I know you have a big following on Instagram, so that also makes a lot of sense that a group actually is a natural way to start because most people start really with the one-on-one. And yeah, masterminds are such an amazing place if you have that core offer where you can really grow in and with, where you can develop yourself. There's so much focus, so much dedication, but also for your clients. Yeah, that's I love that for you. Would you say in the next 12 months, do you already have a bit of a vision of where you can see yourself growing with your brand? Or is this really what for yourself, step by step it will unfold and you're just tuning in with your energy?

SPEAKER_00 46:34

Yeah, this is me. This is me. And I know for a lot of people it works differently, like they have the year set up and they're going like quarter by quarter and ticking off the goals, and I'm not like that. I have a I have a vision, but it comes sometimes just in the moment, and then I need to follow it. And I think this is also that has probably to do with my human design or my astrology, or I don't know, however, my energy system is being set up. And I do believe that most people have that. And when we find that, and when we find trusting that individual signature of what we have and what works best for us, then we can really like skyrocket with that. And that is our strategy then. And I yeah, what I can say about my own process in developing and trying to find my business models is that I was totally overwhelmed by all the different business models and what I should be following and what I'm not following, and then feeling, oh, am I missing out on something and am I doing something wrong? And all these doubts being there all the time until I realized, okay, so we just come back to the core and just listen to who we really are because I am a lazy bastard. Let's take it like that. I need to have a lot of free time, I need to move my body a lot, I need to be in nature all the time, I need to have loads and loads of fun to be working my best and to be serving my best. So things that go like that work for five hours a day, they're just not for me. And they will never be. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:16

We actually had an episode here on the podcast with a human design business coach experts with staff. So, yeah, for those who are listening and curious about human design and business, go check that out. And yeah, I love what you said about how you need to have your own flow. I do work with both, to be fair, because for me it works really well to have some sort of structure in my year and in my quarters where I know what I want to create. Because what that helps me do is when I already know, okay, this is the offer that will come around this time, or this is the yearly offer that comes back, it allows me to be even more creative because it opens up this creativity path way before. Like today, I could have already a vision for a program that I have in mind for in a couple of months. I don't know exactly when it will happen, but then I'll just write it down and I go deeper into it. And it I've seen that it makes my work a lot better, but not in the rigid way. Not in, okay, this needs to happen then. And as my clients know, sometimes I say, Yeah, next month this will happen. And then I tune into the field, I tune into what their needs actually are, and it might change a little bit. And that's okay. There's still this flexibility, but also this, yeah, this point where I'm walking towards and this bigger vision. But I don't do like really rigid numbers or like goals because they don't work for me, they put a lot of pressure. And I'm curious, you mentioned about how a lot of different strategies could distract you, right? Which is I know everybody in industry has had that, because there's so much information overload, there's so many directions, there's so many things that can work, but then will they work for you? And that's one of the things I'm really passionate about with my business model, because and why I'm so hyper-focused on coaches, healers, facilitators, especially what you're describing, with wanting a lot of free time, or whether it is because they have a full-time job and they're still transitioning. There's not always the desire to work 40 hours a week. For me personally, there's not. And some parts that I do outside of my business, they might still support my business, like the breathwork journeys, or like even the connections events that I go to, they're most of the time in some way related to my work anyway, because it's so integrated in my day-to-day life. But the actual work hours should not be that much. Sure, there's different seasons where I work harder, and then there's other seasons where I exhale a lot more. And I'm curious, with you navigating through those different strategies, have you actually had a business mentor? Did you invest in yourself or did you figure it all out on your own by working with energy mostly?

SPEAKER_00 50:38

Oh I never had a mentor, really, actually. But the thing is, what I had time in advertising and I was working with big brands, I was working in the biggest advertising agencies here in Austria, and I got a good understanding on how to communicate, on how markets work, and how we target certain audiences, which audiences are good for us, and so on. So I got a really good understanding of that. And from there, I figured it out myself always. But of course, we get so distracted, we get so we are insecure when we start out our journey, of course, because we've not done it before. That's totally normal. So we look at all these different accounts, different kinds of methods, different kinds of strategies, and we are like, okay, is this for me or should I be doing this? And it can get us a bit in this, oh, I should be doing more, I should be doing it differently. And that's something that actually holds us back. I think business mentors are so important, and it's super important to go with the one that really your heart draws you to, because that's the kind of resonance that you need in your life. And I would suggest to everyone do never really make this decision from your mind, but from your heart. Because your heart knows so much more than your mind or your ego thinks it knows best for you. But it's really a matter of this resonance blueprint if somebody is the perfect guide for you or not, is the perfect mentor for you or not. And there are a few people out there that I feel resonance with and that I feel, okay, if I feel called to step into this kind of mentoring, then I would go with either A, B, or C and not anyone else.

SPEAKER_01 52:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:24

But yeah, I think we can make a lot of decisions from our minds, and they are not the most sustainable. It might be a path that we need to take at some point to figure out okay, this is actually not us. But to listen with your heart is something that I would always advise everyone in business as well. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:45

I have a very strong intuition, and always when I know someone is for me, I've had many business mentors. I already know before I make the decision. And sometimes it's not the decision I want because it's not practical. I have another business mentor, but then I feel it already and I cannot resist it. And yeah, that's it's such good advice. I also have a breathwork audio that I always share before someone makes a big decision, especially also with hiring me, because I want to know it comes from a clean energy. And it's called I Make the Right Decision for Me. So it's a short 11-minute breathwork. Anybody listening to this, just send me a message on Instagram. I can share it. It's free. And it's just such a nice gift to give yourself to really understand is this a decision from scarcity or from expansion? And most of the time it is expansion, but you need to know like why am I doing this? I have one final question for you that I'm really curious about. Could you already celebrate a little bit of the results that your client has that your clients had with you in this first round? What did they experience, their growth? Did they create offers? Did they have sales? Did they increase their income? What are the biggest wins that we're celebrating?

SPEAKER_00 53:49

Yeah. Really, we are not even halfway in, but the results and the transformations that I get to see are already like totally crazy. I see people stepping so much up into their power. I can see them transforming their offers that they've maybe have had for many years, and they are like, the blindfolds are coming off. Really, this is me. This is what I meant to share. I was just scared of X, Y, and C. And that they are really coming into touch with their own personal power, which is such a core concept for me, and so important that because we're all such powerful beings, that we are really scared to shine into this world and to operate from this power and to see their transformations, it's yeah, it's mind-blowing for me.

SPEAKER_01 54:38

I love that. For anybody listening to us, and they are like, I want to know everything about Anne, I want to follow her. Where can they find you?

SPEAKER_00 54:46

That's this Instagram for sure. At OvoWonderful, and I hope you can link it in the show notes. Yes. I do have a website, I do have a lot of resources online that are still covering the Kundalini energy work topic, and I'm really excited to bring up this kind of business topic and of business and awakening at the same time more into these online channels soon as well. I love that. Thank you for being with us today. Thank you so much for the invitation. I love to chat with you.

SPEAKER_01 55:20

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