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Bringing Back the Factoids with Ryan Chiaverini | The Pat McGann Show Ep. 38

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We're celebrating Pat's 50th with three Chicago guys and one matching outfit. This week, ABC7 Chicago's lead sports anchor and Windy City Live co-host Ryan Chiaverini joins Pat and Dwayne for a long-overdue conversation.

Ryan shares what it was actually like to replace Oprah Winfrey on live television the day after she retired — including the Yahoo comment section, which was not kind. Also: Mike Tyson's tigers (he had a whole house for them), the celebrity who broke Ryan's heart the most, and John Travolta calling a piece of family history "the coolest factoid anyone's ever told me."

That factoid? Ryan's dad had a song in Pulp Fiction — and the royalty check situation is exactly what you'd expect. Along the way: Route 66 road trips, the economics of lounge singing, and why Dwayne's show may leave you in tears.


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EXECUTIVE PRODUCER - Kelley Thornton

PRODUCER - Paula Thornton

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0:00 Intro & Hantavirus
14:22 Meet Ryan Chiaverini
15:21 Sports vs. Hard News
19:52 Replacing Oprah
23:07 Mike Tyson's Tigers
25:08 Justin Timberlake
27:38 Henry Winkler & The Fonz
29:18 Indiana Lotto Rant
34:37 Growing Up & Sports
35:42 Dad's Pulp Fiction Song
36:17 John Travolta's Factoid
41:41 Music & Richard Marx
42:40 Brother in the NFL
46:15 Starting in Montana
50:15 Coming to Chicago
54:04 Sweet Caroline Incident
1:07:47 Going Viral in a Movie
1:10:16 Chicago P.D. & Shameless
1:14:44 Pat's Crowd Work
1:15:40 Pat Turns 50

SPEAKER_02

It's episode 38 of the Pat McGann Show. This week, Pat welcomes Dwayne Kennedy and Ryan Shaverini. The Pat McGann Show, as always, is brought to you by Teach Hanley, a complicated skincare for men. And now, here's Pat. Alright, everybody, we're back.

SPEAKER_04

Thanks for tuning in. It is so nice to be back. Dwayne Kennedy is here, and our guest today, we're gonna dive right in with our guest, Ryan Shaverini is here. Bob, good to see you. Thank you guys. You said we're back. I didn't know. Were we here before? It's just a uh weekly I never know how to start the podcast. I'm still I'm looking for that steady hook. You know? I'm just a little off. I have a like a little hint, I think, of the hantavirus. Uh you got a hint of hant. A hint of hantha. Soon struggling just a little bit. Yeah. Is this on your radar? Have you guys been uh brother?

SPEAKER_07

I think about that all the time. You know, I was doing the cruise ships. Was what am I doing here?

SPEAKER_06

I need to be quarantined from you guys both. That's true. Yeah, working on in the news, like it's frightening. Like the entire A block of the news is, you know, it's it's bad stuff. Yeah, yeah. So it's like crime, violence. Yeah. But but doing sports for me, it's like I'm in the I'm sort of in the playground, right? But I gotta wait. I'm I'm sitting in on the bench waiting to get called in the game. And in that first segment of the news, you you know way too much about the world. No, right? You know, you want to wait. Like when I was just doing a talk show, it was way better because like ignorance is bliss.

SPEAKER_04

Now it's like you know too much. And you gotta follow those stories with like I always felt like sports, and and got if for people that don't know Ryan Shaverini, if you're not in Chicago watching local news, Ryan is the lead sportscaster for ABC. You're on what? How many shps how many shows do you do of 800 shows a week? 800 shows. Yeah, it is a lot, a lot of work.

SPEAKER_06

Five, six, and ten Monday through Friday, and then I still do Windy City, which you've been on Windy City Live 15 years now. I'm still doing that on Friday morning, so it's it's it's a lot. And I'm about to go um take a trip on Route 66. You know, it starts at Navy Pier now. They change the start. I don't know how you do that. You change the start of a road that doesn't exist anymore? Well, it still exists, it still exists, but there's some it's a rerouted. It's been rerouted here and there, but now it goes from Navy Pier to Santa Monica Pier in LA. And I'm actually gonna drive this with a crew for the 100-year anniversary. Are you really? I'm about to do that this summer.

SPEAKER_04

No kidding. How much time do you have allotted to accomplish that?

SPEAKER_06

So, with the magic of TV, because they wanted to just fly me to like a couple different uh states, and you know, you shoot the stand-up and it's fake. I was like, no, no, no. I want to do this. I like I really want to do this. So we're gonna take a week per month in the summer for four months. So I'm gonna do it over four weeks, but we're gonna start and stop like right where we left off. Oh, wow. So we're gonna they don't want me off the air for the for like the whole summer, right? So I'm gonna be driving it, flying back, and then we'll fly back, you know, the f a few weeks later, and then we'll pick up.

SPEAKER_04

That is uh the route, it starts in Chicago, goes to California, but it goes south, right? It jogs out west and then goes down through eight states.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, Missouri, what's the city?

SPEAKER_04

Oh, is it only eight states? Oh, the Nat King Colson, the Flask F Arizona?

SPEAKER_05

Right, right, right, right, right. Oh, are you talking about the Eagles? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_04

Isn't that a uh get your kick on roots?

SPEAKER_07

Everybody's covered.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's like Oklahoma, Texas, uh Kansas, real short, uh, obviously uh Vegas, Arizona. I think I can name all the Did this catch your eye? Did this did you pitch this story? No, so like the our president general manager, John Eiler, there's like his baby. I don't know why, but he I think he he's a Harley guy, and I think he's driven it a couple times, and and it was a like a big story right now that it's the 100-year anniversary, it's a 250-year anniversary of America. Yeah, yeah. So it's like this big thing where Route 66 is getting a lot of attention. And so we shot like a proof of concept show for all the ABC stations, and we we got it sponsored.

SPEAKER_07

What do you do? Proof of concept.

SPEAKER_06

We just went out and shot a pilot, basically. Essentially, went out with a camera crew. We shot some stuff in Chicago, and then we pitch it to all of our affiliates, try to sell the show. Got bought. Um, Hyundai is is going to give us a Palisades to drive. Oh, yeah. Those look nice.

SPEAKER_04

They've got like a little Range Rover body type now.

SPEAKER_06

They're really nice because that's the thing. It's like you're gonna drive all this way, it's like 3,000 miles. You want to make sure you're like sure the car's not American. Yeah, I'd love to do it in a in an old like convertible Mustang, but I also don't want to be on the side of the road.

SPEAKER_04

Like, it'd be nice to get there uninterrupted.

SPEAKER_06

My my first car was a 62 Cadillac with the big fins. Really? It's what the original Batmobile was made out of the 62 Cadillac. It got like eight miles to the gallon. When I made a left turn, I had a full tank. I made a right turn, it was reality. I ran out of gas in that car so many times. I thought that would be so cool to have that car again and drive it on Route 66. But again, I wouldn't get out of the state. Are you a car guy? I haven't had a car in 15 years, but I'm sort of itching to get a car again. Yeah, I haven't had a car in forever. I just, it was the best move I ever did because you know, you get your car towed in Chicago and everybody does, and you got to go down to the seventh circle of hell. Oh my gosh. Down at Lower Whacker. I mean, you don't even know Lower Whacker went down that far.

SPEAKER_04

You live like loop-ish. You're downtown. You're a downtown guy.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And this is you mentioned Windy City Live, and I was, you know, I have so much we're gonna get into, but you never know where to start. But Windy City Live, I do want to talk about because here's a daily show that you guys replaced Oprah Winfrey. In in what year? What year did she do?

SPEAKER_06

It was 2011, and we went on the air the day after she retired. The day after. That was like the worst idea ever. Like, give it a rest. Like just let it go off and like run like San Vernon Sun or something, like a rerun for a while, and then people will be like, hey, I want to see something new. No, no, no. We did it the day after it was May 26th. You want to keep everybody in that hat, turning it on? Yeah. 9 a.m. I remember so so we replaced the Oprah time slot. Nobody replaces Oprah, right? It's like you don't replace you don't replace Bay Ruth. But uh when they chose Val and I, and we went through like an American Idol type audition, it was just audition after audition, all these different people. Um, even Stephen A. Smith auditioned, the best job he never got. Oh man. He auditioned with Val. We still have the tape, we've run it before. Oh, you have? Yeah. But like Nick Lachey, no, Drew Lachey audition. There was some a lot of out-of-towners. Yeah, some actors and actresses, and and they kept pairing different people together. And we went through all this, all these different pairings. We had a cocktail party together with the top 40. It was literally like American Idol. Really? Yeah. And then every round, you know, they would give you like certain topics to talk about, and you'd have a little bit of time to prepare. And then you would just go and see how it went for seven minutes. And I remember I had to do all mine back to back to back because I had to go cover the bears. I was a sportscaster at the time.

SPEAKER_04

Well, you're still doing that.

SPEAKER_06

So I was covering the bears, so I had I had to get out of there. So they let me do the audition. And I so I was basically auditioning for 45 minutes straight.

SPEAKER_04

Unbelievable, dude.

SPEAKER_06

Crazy.

SPEAKER_04

And the show's still going now. It's in a weekend format. Right.

SPEAKER_06

But hold on, when I got the gig, I was at spring training, I got the call from the boss, and of course I was ecstatic. And then I'll never forget on on yahoo.com, you know how they have like the regional stories that pop up? It says, uh, Oprah, here are your replacements. And it's a picture of me and a picture of Val. And I'm like, what? And then the comment section was just brutal. We hate you. Yes. Oh my God. It was so very cute. It's an April Fool's joke. People were so man, and my family was like so hurt because they had never seen like negative write-ups about me. You know, I never showed them those. They're used to it by now. Yeah, now another one. Yeah. But they um they were so hurt. I go, God, guys, it's don't worry, it's that's just part of this business. You have to have thick skin. And thankfully the bosses stuck with us because we had a rough go out of the gate. You're still finding yourself. Val and I didn't really know each other. She was coming over from another station, so it took time. Yeah, but they stuck with us.

SPEAKER_07

And do some people blame you thinking that you are one of the reasons that Oprah wasn't on anymore.

SPEAKER_06

Why'd you take Oprah off the air? Yeah. Say it, Dwayne.

SPEAKER_04

Who cares?

SPEAKER_06

She retired. She retired, she's starting her own network. You're still gonna be able to find her. That's a lie! Yeah, and she's on the cover of her own magazine every week, every month. It's her picture on her own magazine, so you're gonna see plenty of her. What magazine? I don't read magazines. But over the years, we had Stedman on the show a few times. Really? Yeah, and um, and we played basketball with him.

SPEAKER_04

You know, he's very tall and he's very I was on a flight with Stedman Graham one time, and I'm only bringing it up because it was Southwest out of Midway. And I was like, dude, how'd you end up here?

SPEAKER_06

I was on a flight. I was on a flight with Drew Rosenhaus, the the mega super agent, the NFL agent Southwest as well. I'm thinking, what is he doing? He's got like Tom Brady's contract in the goal.

SPEAKER_04

Siegfried and Roy, one of them, before they got you know attacked by the tiger. One of them was on a southwest flight, the blonde one, and he was in the middle. I think that's Siegfried. I think that was two lines, he had a tiger next to him, and I no, but he really was on the Southwest flight. I'm like, buddy, man, middle seats.

SPEAKER_06

Was it his like anxiety pet? Like they could just get a therapy tiger.

SPEAKER_07

What do you think made him more uncomfortable? Be in that middle seat or getting chewed up by a tiger.

SPEAKER_06

Well, you know, we had we had Mike Tyson on Windy City many times. Uh he one of the kindest, warmest guys I have ever met. And I've and I've now met him probably five times. Yeah, yeah. Totally has now so gentle. No, but really, he was such a gentle guy. But we asked him, I asked him about the tigers. I said, Do you have any of the tigers anymore? He's like, Oh no, they won't let me have those anymore. They won't let them. He said he bought house, he bought like three houses on the same block, three or four on the same block in Vegas, and one of them was just for the tigers. A house just for the tigers. He had pigeons too, wasn't he? He would swim with them. Oh, he's big on the pigeons, but he would sleep with the tigers, he said, in his own bed. You know, he swam with them, he would hold on to them, and they would pull them in the water.

SPEAKER_03

All right, all right, Mike. Good night, Tiger. Yeah. Hope I wake up tomorrow.

SPEAKER_06

Back in those days, I think tigers were scared of him. It was like the Chuck Norris stories. Yeah, yeah, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

You've had to have uh a crazy list of people that you've met doing uh Wendy City Live, interviewing people. Do you have like a go-to of when you're telling somebody about you know some of your experiences, like people that impressed you or maybe made you feel a little bit nervous or people always ask me who's the nicest and who's who's not the nicest.

SPEAKER_06

Not the nicest, everybody always wants to know that first. And I'll tell you the guy who broke my heart the most. Oh, yeah? Because I wanted him to be nice. And I wanted him to be cool. You wanted him to be cool, and he was not cool. The Pope. Yes, he slapped me right in the face. The Pope. Justin Timberlake, man. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_07

That sounds about right, Ryan. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_06

I know. Look, everybody's upset. You had faith in just buddy, but this was before he kind of went through that where people are going, oh, maybe he's got some demons or he's skill a little shady. This was when he was like altar boy reputation, like the pretty boy, nice guy, net guy next door, like you know, coming up.

SPEAKER_07

Janet Jackson's top down.

SPEAKER_06

Uh yeah, before that, even I told him about this.

SPEAKER_04

I told him that you were upset with him, and you know what you said? Cry me a river. No! Yeah, whoa.

SPEAKER_06

I I interviewed him. I interviewed him. That's it.

SPEAKER_04

We're done. Done. Episode over.

SPEAKER_06

I interviewed him and Jason Siegel together. Jason Siegel couldn't have been more kind.

SPEAKER_04

Were they doing a project together?

SPEAKER_06

They were doing a bad movie called Bad Teacher. Oh, yeah. Okay. Terrible movie. Oh, really? So, you know, you go in the junket rooms, you get five minutes with the star, and uh Cameron Diaz, lovely, just incredible, sweet. So I do a five-minute interview with her, and then for whatever reason, sometimes they they pair the actors together. So it was Jason and and Timberlake. And I'd ask one guy a question, Jason Siegel, so kind, gives me a great answer. I asked Justin a question, just cold and sarcastic. Really? It was weird. I I got back and my producer came to me and she goes, What was the deal with you and Timberlake? I go, I have no idea. Yeah, he was just like, didn't like any question I had to ask. Everything was dumb. Like he he it was like he didn't like the question. Really? I asked him about like having a love for acting. You know, we know you, you know, you've you grew up dancing, acting, Mickey Mouse Club, all that, you know. But when did when did like the acting really become you know your true passion? Because he had done a string of films and he was doing pretty well. And he was just like like the dumbest passion. Really?

SPEAKER_04

He stood out to me in uh for the first time I saw him differently because at that time I think he was just doing you know the the music. But wasn't he in um the Facebook movie? Social network? Yeah, he was good in that, yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, he's good, he's talented, but just not nice, the nicest guy you'll ever meet, the nicest star you will ever meet. Well, there's a couple, uh, but the Fonz man. Yes, really Henry Winkler.

SPEAKER_07

I met him once years and years ago.

SPEAKER_06

Sweetest man. I I got to have um breakfast with him at the Palace Grill, and we did an interview, and we had breakfast, and he was just the kindest soul. And I'll always remember what he said when he said, Um, you know, there's some celebrities when somebody asks them for a picture or to stop, and he's like, Oh yeah, and they don't have time for this person that gave you the life that you have. And he's like, I wouldn't, I just he goes, That this makes me so angry. He goes, I don't have time. This person has invested a half hour of their time every day, like watching Happy Days, right? For years, and all they want to do is just say hello to you and take a picture. Right. It's not not that difficult. What a career he's had. Oh, yeah. And just a comeback, right? And then finally win the Emmy.

SPEAKER_04

And how was he like that? Looking back, you're like, it's funny that he was the Fonz.

SPEAKER_06

Right.

SPEAKER_04

Because he doesn't seem to be.

SPEAKER_06

Couldn't it be more different? And he said that. He goes, I th the Fonz was a guy I wanted to be. He's like, I wasn't cool. I didn't, this wasn't me at all, but I wanted to be that guy.

SPEAKER_04

I wanted to be able to lean on a jukebox.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, and just a leather jacket. Everybody wanted to be the Fonz. The Fonz is the reason why we all own a leather jacket.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

The Fonz and Danny Zuko.

SPEAKER_04

It's kind of funny how uh that's two episodes in a row, we've had a grease reference. That's uh funny to have uh like that was the concept of cool back then, you know, and he was they have a statue of the Fonzie in Milwaukee.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, a fictional statue.

SPEAKER_07

That's how little Milwaukee has going for it. I mean, uh cut, not Milwaukee's great. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_06

One time I I was on the show and I made a reference to there's the the most lotto winners ever. Do you know where it is? The most lotto winners. Indiana. Indiana. Yes. And I said, I said a bad thing about Indiana on TV, not thinking that our show bleeds into Indiana. I got so much. I said, and we're on a live show, so you know, you just it just I go, well, that's because God feels sorry for people that live in Indiana. And I and the audience laughed, right? And you know, now I think Bears fans would laugh at that since we don't want to lose our team. Oh man. But Indiana people did not like that. No, no, no. I got I'm sorry, Indiana. Please don't steal the bears.

SPEAKER_07

You got letters spelled wrong. No. Little cutouts of the newspaper. Oh man, this is mass murderer. Yeah. That's too smug. No. Indiana's a decent place. Yeah. Uh more Powerball winners. What are their name? What's the common male surname or first name for a Powerball winner? Ooh.

SPEAKER_06

Um is it is it a short name?

SPEAKER_07

Yes.

SPEAKER_06

Okay. It's a very common name.

SPEAKER_07

Yes.

SPEAKER_06

Mike or John?

SPEAKER_07

Close. Tom. Tom. Really? Yeah. Back when I was researching on how to win the Powerball.

SPEAKER_04

Were you gonna change your name?

SPEAKER_07

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, people call me Change.

SPEAKER_06

Change your name to Tom.

SPEAKER_04

Moved Indiana. Yeah. Yeah. And start buying some tickets.

SPEAKER_06

I've been using ChatGPT to pick my numbers. Have you really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, you played you played a lot?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I never do. Never.

SPEAKER_06

But I play on the app. I play all the time, brother. I'm playing now. I play on the app, and everybody says you can't win on the app. And so I Googled it, and it says that the reason why people think you can't win is because most people don't use the app. So naturally the numbers are smaller for the people that win. But it does seem like the people that win the jackpot, it's always a small little town, small little gas station. So you know, 66, I'll be making some stocks. There you go. Right.

SPEAKER_04

Do you know off the top of your head right now what's what does this sit at?

SPEAKER_06

Oh no, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04

Powerball or I could find out in two on my app. That's a bunch of states, isn't it? Well, they have different ones.

SPEAKER_06

The lotto's just Illinois, right? And then they have the Powerball and the Mega.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

It's just I play for the Dream. It'd be so fun to just like I play for the Dream.

SPEAKER_04

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SPEAKER_07

What would you do, man? Say just when it was like at a billion dollars, right? And you play, you won. Yep. Would you continue with your career or would you just say this just turn on the TV in one day is where's Ryan at? Yeah, that's B. B. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

You'd be done.

SPEAKER_06

A, A, or B, B, I'd be gone. Really? Yeah. Listen, I I I would I love what I do. Absolutely. But like life is short. Like this, I mean, I think with AI and stuff, we're gonna live to be like well over a hundred. I do believe that. I believe that too. Yeah, I do think that.

SPEAKER_04

No matter what. No matter your condition, genetics.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, it's just gonna change a lot. If we like they say we live like another five years, which God willing, we will.

SPEAKER_07

It was what 78. 76. 76.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's the Powerball is now.

SPEAKER_06

For women, I think it's 81. I think for a man it's 76. Okay. Maybe it's 78. But so it's like life is short. We're already on the back nine right now. So if I had a billion dollars, oh man. But you know, you know what I what I would do though, and I always think about this, is community centers and sports for youth. I would have my name would be on so many different buildings to help the youth because I just think covering sports, when I see athletes like Carrie Wood and his wife Sarah.

SPEAKER_04

Would you insist on your name being on there? Well, it doesn't have to be.

SPEAKER_06

My name's too long. My name's too long. Maybe just the the Shev Center, RC center. But I I just I look at like, you know, Walter Payton's got his name on a school and and there's Peyton right there. And I I I would I wish Michael had more more his name on more things here. You know, I know he's done a lot in in North Carolina, and he's done a lot more, I think, in the in his later years. Yeah, yeah. In some of the stuff he does.

SPEAKER_07

He does it to Hale's Franciscan years ago. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06

And some of the stuff that he does, he doesn't publicize, and I get that. But I just think like I love like when Derek Rose gave a million dollars to After School Matters and Chancer Rapper, you know, it's like I I just that's a good thing. I don't remember when Jordan had that. Honestly, what the money would be for ultimately after, you know, after everything's taken care of and your family's taken care of. What else is there? It's make the world better, right? Help help make the world better. Yeah, and help and like sports was such a big thing for me. My brother and I grew up in a in a in a you know broken home, and my mom was an addict, and we went through a lot of bad things, and like literally were on like welfare as a kid at times. And it was coaches, the coaches that like changed our life that picked us up from practice and gave us an outlet, and like literally like waived our fees, or or a parent would pay for us to play sports. My brother ended up playing in the NFL, he's a coach, and now he mentors and coaches. It's like for me, it's like this this dictated my path in life. So, like, not to not to get you guys all right, man.

SPEAKER_04

I think that's a significant way to contribute back, and it sounds like that's had such an influence on you. You mentioned your brother, you mentioned um you grew up in California, yeah, correct?

SPEAKER_06

Yep. So my my grandparents were in Chicago, hated the cold weather, as we all do, left and went out west. My dad's from the East Coast.

SPEAKER_04

You undid all that.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Trove, met my mom. My dad was a professional singer for 50 years. He was in a surf band called The Lively Ones.

SPEAKER_04

And um Pulp Fiction, right? Pulp Fiction.

SPEAKER_06

Quentin Tarantino picks all the songs himself, and he loved this song. And he put it on the very last scene of the movie when they're in the diner and they're putting the guns on their ankles and all that, and they're about to walk out of the diner, and the whole song plays. Usually you get a song in a movie, it's like 10 seconds. The whole song plays. And I got to interview John Travolta, another guy that I would put in my top five nicest guys I've ever met. Interviewed him and Kelly Preston, R.I.P. Kelly. Are you a Scientologist? I'm not. Can't afford to be can't afford to you gotta have a lot of dough for that. But he he brought his Scientologist like teacher with him at this interview. Oh really? He tr he travels with them.

SPEAKER_04

Was that John's idea or the uh the other one? I'll be with you, I'll be observing all the money he receives.

SPEAKER_06

Yes. But so I I interviewed him and we're waiting to do the interview. And so a lot of times, like when you do the junkets, it's already set up like this. You just you sit down, you got five minutes, the cameras are already rolling. This was a local shoot, so we had to go meet him there. It was at that um really iconic, and I'm blanking right now, the iconic Italian restaurant here on the is it in the north? Fizzoli's? No. Fizzoli's. It'll it'll come to me. No, it'll come to me. Tefanos? No. But anyway, we um we go there. It's it's he's doing the movie Gotti. He's playing John Gotti, which sadly the movie. Oh man, didn't do great. Yeah. Yeah. But he but we're waiting for them to set up the light and all that. So we're just making small talk, right? And and I'm and I tell him the story about my dad. I go, hey, you know, my dad's got a song in your movie in Pulp Fiction. And he was so engaged to ask me like questions about the band. And he's like, Oh, I love that song. I love this and that. And he was like kind of humming the song. And then he, and so we're sitting there chatting, he's like, Yeah, so do you play music, this, that? And so he's asking me a zillion questions about my dad's band, like, like he really cared. And then he goes, That's one of the coolest factoids anyone's ever told me. I'm like, that's my one good impression. And and I go, I'm thinking, you're John Travolta, like people tell you stuff all the time. But he he's much taller than I thought he was gonna be, like, and big. He's just like big dude. Oh, he's a big guy, he's like 6'3, yeah. Is he?

SPEAKER_04

Oh man, yeah. The um you were talking about uh your dad, he was asking you about being uh a musician yourself, and you play guitar too. You must have got this from from your father and watching him, dude.

SPEAKER_06

And having your dad last pole fiction, must have been like Yeah, when I was a kid, um so my dad's you know made his living his whole life as as a musician, which is not easy to do. It's like he he had a little bit of fame in the 60s. They opened for Sonny and Sharon, the Beach Boys. If you Google the lively ones, they're all over the internet and they still have like a following. But for the most part, how big of the band was it? How many people were in that? It's like five, five people, five guys. Mainly instrumental surf music. Who wrote the songs? Uh he wrote some of the songs. The the biggest song was actually written by The Ventures, who did um who did Surf Rider first, but then my dad's band recorded it, and for whatever reason, it went to like 15 on the charts back in the 60s, and they were opening for Sonny and Cheron the Beach Boys. So he's got all these cool stories.

SPEAKER_04

Did he surf as well?

SPEAKER_06

He tried. He he is mainly posing for the album. So he was not a surfer, but he looks cool holding the boards and stuff. But it was cool to hear him talk about, you know, uh talking to Sonny. You know, he said Sonny was so smart. Sonny would pull me over and he'd say, Hey, these are the songs we're gonna do. He said Cher was like very young and innocent at that time, and she she just like was never never got to talk. It's like I rarely ever talked to Cher. It was just like a different time. Like the you know, Sonny came over and these are the songs we're doing. Cher was just the singer, and she was so young, she was like 16, 17 years old. Now, when you think about Cher and like the power and the diva she is and has become, it's just crazy to see like once she ditched that once she got rid of Sonny, she started to shine. Yeah, yeah. The um Cher just turned 80 and her boyfriend's like 40. Yeah, I don't even know if he's that.

SPEAKER_07

She's doing it, right?

SPEAKER_04

Oh man, have fun, Cher.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, they yeah.

SPEAKER_04

39? Yeah, we're supposed to have her on next week. Cher, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sweet bringing her in, dude.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, I remember watching Sonny's approval with us.

SPEAKER_03

Well, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_07

I mean, we can conjure somebody if we need to.

SPEAKER_06

But I remember being a kid.

SPEAKER_04

I wanted to say that when you said it. Sonny so smart. I'm like, yeah, skiing in a tree? No. I just remember watching.

SPEAKER_06

I remember watching him as a kid and like just watching him play music, and it was like magic. You know, he had the big headphones on, and he had like a little home studio, and some musicians would come over, and you know, it was it was like magic. So I always wanted to play the guitar, but I didn't have the patience for my dad to teach me. He bought me, you know, a little ukulele when I was young. But like learning from your parents when you're young, you you can't do it because you don't have you don't want to listen to it. Yeah, you don't want to listen. Yeah, you don't want to and my dad's like old school Italian, so he talks a little loud. Yeah, yeah. And you know, he like you know, everything's like easy. Hey, why can't you do that? Just strum that. What are you doing? He well, not everyone's a great teacher either. It's very difficult.

SPEAKER_07

That's not like my father, yeah. Angry, he he couldn't teach you because he was angry that you didn't know. Right. How come you don't know how to drive? That's why you're teaching me.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Over the years, my pops has gotten so much softer. Like the old school Italians, they like now he cries anytime I leave, you know, I give him a hug. When are you coming back? Yeah. Oh man. Yeah, but now and now, like, you know, he always tells me, like, Rah, I never thought you'd ever be able to play the guitar like you can. Like, I'm really proud of you, you know. Yeah, that's great.

SPEAKER_04

You do live shows. Yeah, it's you've got a bunch of stuff online, you've done some great uh charity work with your music.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, I've done some stuff with Jim Peterick and um with Richard Marks. I like that play. I got to play with Max Weinberg, you know.

SPEAKER_04

That's a guy, Richard Marks that he wrote songs. I I didn't realize it's not just what he recorded, he's written a ton of stuff, right?

SPEAKER_06

He's got like a yeah, his big break was he wrote um Right Here Waiting for You, his biggest hit, but he wrote that for uh Barbara Streisand. And he he wrote the song, he gives it to Barbara Streisand, she listens to it and she goes, not recording this. And he's like, Why? You know, Richard, I don't wait for anybody. Oh man, and so yeah, so Barbara Streisand turned it down, he records it, becomes one of the biggest hits of the 80s, right? But yeah, he's written a ton of stuff. He's very, very talented. But yeah, forget the lottery. If I could do music full time, my boss is done. Well, that would have forced you to do that. If I could do music full time. Oh, yeah, for sure. That's what I'd be doing.

SPEAKER_04

Or coach with your brother. You mentioned your brother. You guys are very tight, I know. I've met him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

Who was your brother?

SPEAKER_06

Uh Darren Sheverini was drafted by Cleveland, played for the Cowboys, the Falcons. He still holds a couple records for the Cleveland Browns. Most catches in a game by a rookie, which has stood since 1999. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, the Browns aren't really known for great receivers.

SPEAKER_06

For winning. Yeah. I mean, it's amazing. He was on the very first team that came back. In 1999, they launched the Cleveland Browns again. Okay, they came back to the city.

SPEAKER_07

Tim Couch was his quarterback.

SPEAKER_06

Tim Couch. He sure was. Really? The worst pick in the whole draft. Yeah, University of Kentucky, Tim Couch. Yep. I remember those years.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. And now he's a head coach at Northeastern State.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, Northeastern State. So he's bounced around. You know, he was at Colorado before Dion is offensive. And that's where you guys went, right? Yeah, went to Colorado. And um, he's coached at UCLA. He coached Patrick Mahomes at Texas Tech. Coaching world is move around a lot, but he really wanted to be a head coach, so he took a step back. He said a Division II school in uh Talqua, Oklahoma, and he's really turning this program around. So I think you'll you'll be seeing him on the uh Division I or NFL level in the next couple years.

SPEAKER_07

Great. Yeah. Now, not to get all personal with your, but did your father make a couple of bucks after his song got in Pulp Fiction?

SPEAKER_06

So my dad's agent was Bob Keane. Do you remember La Bamba?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Bob Keene was Richie Vallon's agent. So same guy was my dad's agent. So Bob Keane is the one that calls my dad and goes, hey, there's this. I mean, Quentin Tarantino was nobody in 1994. So he calls and goes, Hey, this guy, this filmmaker wants to put your song in the movie. And my dad's like, Great, you know, let's put it in the movie. So then there became the war over who owned the rights and trying to dig all that stuff up. So long story short, they had to split it a zillion ways with all the all the attorneys and Delphi records. Bob Keane got his cut. So my dad got some money, but he didn't get like retirement money. Yeah, you know. Like I've been I've been in Jim Peterick's Lamborghini. He wrote Eye of the Tiger. His Lamborghini says Eye Tiger. He goes, Oh yeah, let me buy this car. My dad didn't get that. He still got a big father's on a bike.

SPEAKER_07

This is all pop fiction money.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, it could have at least been an e-bike. Yeah, but he still gets a royalty check, though. That's great. I mean, it's just a little mailbox money.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, that's cool, man. I'm sure the lawyers get more than your father gets. That's how that goes.

SPEAKER_06

And then they find out like this the song's been downloaded so many zillions of times in like other countries, like in Europe, and you don't see any of that. Basically, the record company says, Hey, this is what this is what we made, this is what you get. Yeah, just be happy with it. Yep.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, that's but it's also like it's gotta be so validating and to have it come back after he had recorded it years ago. Yeah, and now it's like right.

SPEAKER_06

It was 30 years later, he was just happy to get anything, yeah, and just kind of like revitalize the band. They did a couple of reunions after that, and it was cool. Yeah, but because for the most part, he was singing like in a cocktail lounge for 20 years, he was in the same bar for 28 years, same place, you know. So it's like to go from like lounge singer, I mean that's what he was for most of his career, and then to kind of get that little bit of that boost, it was kind of fun. Yeah, and then he got a platinum album that hangs in the house.

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Studied broadcast journalism. So I am my brother's my twin, actually. We we we were opposite in every way, but I knew that I wasn't going to the NFL. I mean, we just knew, and I and I was supportive. We we were each other's best friends. So it wasn't like some people go, Hey, how come you didn't play in the NFL like your brother? And I always go, uh, the same reason why you didn't. That wasn't good enough. They didn't want me. Like I was a good, good, high, great high school player, decent college player, knew I wasn't going to the pros. So I actually went to class.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

And I got my journalism degree, and I was doing all the campus radio and the TV and all that stuff. And uh my brother got drafted, so he was making good money. I got my first job in Great Falls, Montana. I drive there from California to Montana. I spent the night in Salt Lake City in this little rat motel. Then I drove and I and my first paycheck, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry, but I was excited just to be there. You know, I I was making uh I think $14,000 a year working full-time for the ABC affiliate in Great Falls, Montana as the weekend sports anchor, and this was in the year 2000, so it's not like this is 1970.

SPEAKER_04

14?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, 14,500.

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How could they even like I know 14, 5?

SPEAKER_06

And what was covering my I was covering rodeos and high school football, six-man football, and you would go out and shoot it. You'd shoot it, and then you'd hopefully you got like a touchdown, and then you would you would drive on a two-lane road in Montana, dangerous roads, and you'd go to another game and you would shoot the second half of that game, then you would rush back, and I got the other we there's two-man department, the other guy would do the same thing. We get back, we hurry up and edit it, and then we get it on the air. We got four games now, high school games, and then yeah, you would go cover rodeos. I knew nothing about a rodeo, and you had to learn all the events, and and it's just a different, just a different thing. How long were you in Montana? Thankfully, I was only there a year and a half, and I got back to Denver. Got enough footage, make a tape. Exactly. There you go.

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Somebody look at this.

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Back then we would mail out VHS tapes. Oh, yeah. VHS, I remember I dubbed a bunch of VHS tapes and I took them to the I took them to the post office, and the post office worker recognized me from TV because there's only like 500 people in the whole town. And she's like, Oh, trying to get out of here, huh?

SPEAKER_07

Oh man. You got that right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

And thankfully, I got back to Denver and I had gone to college in Boulder, so they hired me back. I had interned at that station, and now I'm you know 24 years old and I'm covering, you know, the Broncos and the Avalanche, and it was a great sports town. Yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_04

It could have been a stop. Like you could have pitched a tent, you know, stay there in the world. I thought I was gonna stay there forever. And it's probably grown a ton since you were uh there. That that city just seems to be.

SPEAKER_06

I love I love Denver. I know you perform there. I really do.

SPEAKER_04

I there are very few cities where I go, and I'm like, man, I could live here because I I love Chicago. I do. And when I've been to Denver, and there's a big uh Chicago crowd there too. A lot of people have relocated to Denver.

SPEAKER_07

I saw I was on your Instagram page one time and I saw you doing a set at the comedy works, right? Crushing, and somebody yelled out how funny you are. I said, Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_04

That's my that club is one of the best clubs in the country, comedy works. They got the original one downtown and they got one in the burbs, and they're independently owned, which is uh always the best. And um, they have a ton of sunshine in Denver, which I didn't know.

SPEAKER_06

I mean, almost 300 sunny days a year. Yeah, the weather is is very west coast weather. It's a great place. I thought I was gonna be there forever, and then my agent called me and said, Hey, what do you think about going to Chicago? And I was like, Chicago? I knew I really didn't know much about Chicago, aside from the fact that I had some grandparents that had lived here, but that was a long time ago. I'd never um I had only had flown in and out of O'Hare. I'd never really had spent much time in Chicago at all.

SPEAKER_04

So you weren't really looking. Right. Your agent came to you with this opportunity. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Brad Palmer, who had been the reporter, the professor. Oh man, yeah. Brad Palmer retired after, I don't know, is he still around?

SPEAKER_07

I was gonna say he retired.

SPEAKER_06

He is. He is. He's still he's he I actually talked to him maybe on the phone, maybe like two years ago. Wow. But uh he retired. So for the first time in over 20 years, ABC 7 had a had a uh opening. I mean, that at that time, you know, news was so coveted, these nobody left these jobs. It was Mark Gian Greco as our main guy, Jim Rose, you know, as our second guy, and uh, and then Brad Palmer was our reporter, and then I replaced him, and so I'm now I'm the young kid. They finally made a hire. And my first year here, the Bears went to the Super Bowl, and everybody was calling me the good luck charm at the station. Oh, really? And then they lost, and then all that stuff. And then it went away.

SPEAKER_04

I remember the first time you dropped on my radar, and I was like, is this like Gian Greco's nephew? Like it seemed like such a good pairing, and I know he became a big mentor to you. We've had him on the podcast, um, and I know you guys are still still buddies, right?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, yeah. He's been a he's been like a big brother to me and a mentor, and he was a big reason why I got hired. I mean, I come in and you interview, you you interview with everybody, and he was the guy that was like, I like this guy. I'm gonna I'm gonna, you know, kind of give him my my approval. Yeah, yeah. And uh, and so yeah, he's been good. And when I got hired, I remember the article said in Gian Greco's footsteps. That was the that was the headline. So it's kind of ironic that now 20 years later I'm doing the job that he used to do, you know. But yeah, it's been a it's been an incredible 20 years. I can't believe 20 years. 20. I just hit 20 in uh in March. So now are you are you mentoring anybody coming up? Absolutely, that's a big thing. I'm mentoring far more than just one. I think I've I think I've bit off more than I can chew right now because literally I have uh a few um reels to look at today. Any student that emails me reaches out, I always have them send me their work and I always take the call and I always return the call because I still remember the guys that didn't call me.

SPEAKER_04

You still remember Timberlake, you still remember that too. Screw that guy.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, but there's a saying when you in the elevator gets to the top, you gotta send it back down. Yeah, that's so important because I still remember the guys that I hit all the buttons. Elf. It's an elf. But you know, you got you got everybody has somebody they look up to. Every every athlete has somebody that they try to emulate, right? Like without Jordan, there's no Kobe, you know, without Kobe and LeBron, all these guys looked up to the guys before them. Same thing with TV. You know, I always tell like young students to watch somebody on TV that you like. I'm not saying copy them, but you'll you'll get your own personality, your own rhythm. Same thing with comedy, right? I mean, for sure. There's comics you look up to and you're like, oh, I like his style. And it's not gonna do justice if you go on stage and you try to do be Rodney Dangerfield, but there it maybe there's some things that you we all learn and take from each other.

SPEAKER_04

Exactly. You take a little bit from everything you you know, yeah, and then you use it all too. Yep, and at different points, yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_07

And that's what makes you Carlos Mencia. I mean, I mean I know that's probably not what you meant.

SPEAKER_06

We've had him on many times, very nice guy, but I know he went through a hot water, man. Stealing jokes is like the ultimate sin in all of comedy.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, you cannot do that. Didn't that kind of put Rogan on the map too? Wasn't he the one that called him out?

SPEAKER_07

Came up on stage at the comedy store and just front, right there, man. Yeah, and told him, you know.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, did it in person?

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, he came up, got in his face.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_07

It's a big viral YouTube clip. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, I gotta go back and check that out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

My favorite viral YouTube moment right now, though, and I don't know why this keeps coming on my feed. I guess because I would I I watch a lot of musicians on Instagram, so many talented people. But there was a guy, I don't know if you've seen it, where he's he's singing Sweet Caroline by himself with a guitar, and some guy, he's standing, and some guy just comes up and he just sweeps his legs right from out from under him. Oh, and he just eats it and they start getting in a fight on stage. It's totally real. That's beautiful, and nobody knows why this guy hated Sweet Caroline that much. Or he went on stage and attacked this singer. But he pulses.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, is it a live show?

SPEAKER_06

Yes.

SPEAKER_04

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_06

Yes.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, that's wild.

SPEAKER_06

That one comes up on my feed like three times a week right now. Maybe because I watch it so much. Like I just can't believe I just you're creating that algorithm. I'm just thinking, like, what if this what would I do if this ever happened to me? And I know like it's we've seen like comics get get you know attacked on stage.

SPEAKER_04

It's seems to be more possible than ever, you know, or something thrown at you, yeah, or um confronted after a show, maybe. Yes, I mean I've been lucky with some of that stuff.

SPEAKER_07

Have you ever had an experience where you're like I had uh I was doing some jokes about a particular person. Uh I know this show was uh out at Zany's in St. Charles, and I didn't know this until I got off stage because I couldn't see him. But some people in the audience they said, Well, these women started crying and stuff as I do. You know, I if if if nobody's crying at my show, you know what I mean? I don't consider it a good show, right? Mission unaccomplished, you know. But uh they they walked out crying, and then some of the the dudes that were with them walked out and were giving me the Nazi salute on the way out. Oh yeah, so I mean, you that's my show. You know, you you come a Lutheran, you leave a Nazi. That's why, you know what I mean? Yeah, but I didn't see it though until I got off the show, and then somebody told me um that, you know, because I could it was dark, I couldn't see what was going on.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

So a couple times. I had a woman one time, Zany's on Wells, she got so mad. I was doing again, she tried to storm out during the show, but she walked out, tried to go out the front, and it was locked. You and all you've been on Zany's on Wells. Yes, yeah. So you know if you walk for everybody can see you, I'm just this is I just dude, I would never, I I just that was a long walk for her back in the day. She went out the side.

SPEAKER_04

I was there that night, I think.

SPEAKER_03

Oh man. I forgot about that. Yeah, man. So yeah.

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You have any live shows coming up, Ryan? Are you still uh Yeah, you know, uh so supposed to perform with Max Weinberg coming up. Oh, that's great. So he just went on tour with Bruce again. You know, Bruce is in his upper 70s, yeah. And they just they're on tour again. Yeah, he's been here, right? Bruce. He's at the United States, yeah. He's been Bruce's drummer for over 40 years, and Max is not a young man. You know, remember him from Conan, yeah. He's an unbelievable drummer. So I'm I was supposed to play a show with him. He just rescheduled it, so we're hoping we're gonna get get that on the on the books again. But yeah, doing Windy City still and doing sports, it's been a it's been a life change. I don't get to perform quite as much as I used to, but um, but I'm hoping to get get back out there again soon. And single guy still doing a girlfriend. Oh, yeah. Got a girlfriend, and I got a puppy now.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, buddy. Are you training? Oh, yeah, it's brutal, man.

SPEAKER_06

I love this pup more than anything. In fact, I got a bit that I'm doing for the Crosstown Classic. I always try to do bits with. Animals, now that I got my own, he's gonna be like Michael. What kind of dog? Yeah, I'm gonna be like Joe Jackson. This is gonna be Michael right here. We're gonna we're gonna make some money here, one way or the other. Teach him some tricks. I'm gonna treat him better, but one way or the other. Oh man. So he he's a it's he's a mini Dachshund, and uh and he and so his name's Frankie because ballpark Frank, right? Yeah, right, right. So I got a hot dog costume, the mini wiener dog, and he's gonna he's gonna run in this costume to go pick, you know, the socks or the cubs.

SPEAKER_04

Did you and your girlfriend get the dog together?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, man. I bought it for her birthday.

SPEAKER_04

You did? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_06

They're like, you might as well have gotten her the ring. How did you give it to her? Uh she's begged for this pup for two years. For the two years that we've been together, she's begged for this pup. So finally I just I just did it.

SPEAKER_04

And so how'd you present it to her?

SPEAKER_06

Did you have it in a uh Well, Mutz Cuts delivered it? You know, Dumb and Dumber.

SPEAKER_04

She was like, I was Dumb and Dumber the the van.

SPEAKER_06

Remember? Oh, right. The Shaggin wagon. So it came from Ohio, and I literally was wondering if it was gonna look like Mutz Cuts. It was a normal van, but when the guy got out, I had to ask him. Oh yeah. But yeah, that's how it came. So she knew it was coming. Yeah, because it wasn't like it popped out of the box like the movies. Big stat, man. Yeah, it's a big one. It's it he's a lot. Like I don't have any kids, but this is the this is all of the infant stories I hear from my friends are directly relatable. You know, getting up at three in the morning because I didn't realize puppies.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, but it's still not the same.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Like when I leave the house, I don't leave a bowl of food out for the kids.

SPEAKER_06

We can't we can't even leave him right now. We take him to a sitter.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, you do? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_06

The puppy stage, he he cries and he's gotta go to the bathroom every minutes. He's like he's like my grandpa.

SPEAKER_04

On a flight?

SPEAKER_06

Not yet. I don't want to even be on a flights, restaurants, take him to a restaurant. He sits in a little Frankie bag and he doesn't make a peep.

SPEAKER_04

It's been quite an experience to be what 50? I'm gonna be 50 years old this weekend. I'm turning 50. Oh, happy birthday. And I was just gonna say, like, we've seen the rights of uh dogs increase my time on this earth. And uh humans? Yeah, not so much. Retract it. Dogs, right, right, have the run of the place, right? Right, running all over the restaurant. And that it comes in too. Like I saw it on Mother's Day. Somebody was saying like that on the news, like, Happy Mother's Day, everyone out there. And that includes pet owners. Oh, yeah. That does it.

SPEAKER_06

When my girlfriend goes, Hey, did you and Frankie get me anything from Mother's Day? I'm like, Frankie, why didn't you get her anything? Yeah, I blame Frankie right away. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

Wait till you have to enroll him in school.

SPEAKER_06

Oh man, I need to send him to puppy school right now because it's the I don't know how to train a dog. I'm I'm watching TikTok.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

I'm watching TikTok. You can learn anything from TikTok.

SPEAKER_04

You need a clicker or like a lot of things. I took my dog to a class one time and it just like it petered out, but I remember like the Yeah, we got the little bell.

SPEAKER_06

People go give the bell by the door, and then you tap his paw and when he needs to go out. You know what he does? He just runs over to the bell and bites it like crazy because he's a puppy.

SPEAKER_01

Like he's gonna know this. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Anyway. Uh while we're while we're talking, I don't I'm I'm all over the place, but you um you asked me about like some of my most memorable guests. Um Al Pacino. One of the best I mean, for an Italian kid to meet Al Pacino. And I was like ner he was like, I don't get nervous really to interview anybody. I've interviewed Jordan several times. He's one guy though that when you see him, every time you see him, you're like, wow, that's that's the logo, right? Like that's him. But I've interviewed him Bonchino, but but inner but meeting Al Pacino, I remember I walked in the room and it's a junket style like this, and he's got the big poofy hair, and his suit is like way too big for him. I don't know why he doesn't get a better.

SPEAKER_04

Like the Dick Tracy character, right? Those huge soldiers.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, he looks like a mad scientist, right? But he's still Al Pacino. I walk in, you know, and and I and he, I'm like, hey, hey, Mr. Pacino, how are you? He's like, Oh, call me Al, you know, and he's a you know, I sit down and he goes, Where are you from? I go, Oh, I'm from Chicago. Oh, I love Chicago, my favorite city, right? So we're doing the interview. He's super warm and engaging, he's great. And um, and I was like, I gotta ask him this question, right? I gotta ask him. And you know, I always like something at the end in case it doesn't. Was this a two-minute show? Or was it a straight on it? And so I said, Um, uh Al, when you're walking through an airport, what's the line that somebody throws at you the most? Like, what's the line you get the most?

SPEAKER_01

And he goes, Oh, um, a lot of times I get uh hoo-a, you know. He goes, or I get um say hello to my little friend. He goes, or um, depending on the age, sometimes I get uh I'm gonna give you an offer you can't refuse. Because I say that in the godfather.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, pretty, pretty aware of that. I remember that now. He was so cool. And then so then I walk out of the room, I'm like on you know, cloud nine. And I'm trying to like kind of when you're talking to someone like that, you're not you're not trying to be, you know, too much of a fan, but you're trying to be professional. But on the inside, you're like, oh my god, I can't believe I'm talking to this guy. So you I leave the room, he does like several more junket interviews. About 10 minutes later, he walks out. The light's kind of bright, you know, because he's it's in a hotel and he's coming out, and he sees me from across the room, and he goes, Ryan, great to meet you. Oh man. And he keeps walking, and there's a guy from like Entertainment Tonight right next to me, and he thought he was talking to him at first. Oh yeah. Oh, you think he's talking to you? Oh, wow. I was like, Yeah, take that, take that entertainment tonight. There you go. It was like a cool moment where you're like, Man, I feel like that's crazy, like Al Pacino, you know. That's a good story.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, yeah. I'm glad it did. I thought you were gonna say that you heard him say somebody when they said they were from Cleveland, my favorite city. Oh, you're from Fort Wayne. Fort Wayne, my favorite city. Yeah, Indiana, love it. Most lotto winners.

SPEAKER_06

Excellent. Is her name Tom? Yeah, my favorite name. Yeah. Oh, and the other and the other guy, Mr. T. Have you guys met Mr. T?

SPEAKER_04

No, but his daughter does stand up, Erica. She's hilarious. Very funny. She's she's awesome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

We've had her on the show. I've seen her perform as well. But Mr. T, the kindest guy ever. He will stay and take pictures with the audience for two and a half hours. He doesn't care how long it takes, he is staying the entire time. Gives people little keychains that you hit the button, it says, I pity the fool. And he dresses just like B.A. Barackas. Like he's the same guy with the overalls and the boots.

SPEAKER_04

He's Mr. T, man.

SPEAKER_06

True Chicago guy.

SPEAKER_04

And uh he just like walked into that character. They were just like, just be you. Yeah. Right, right.

SPEAKER_06

That's yeah. And you know how he got cast on Rocky III? From uh he was a bouncer, and he went on a show called Toughest Bouncers. I don't think he won, but Stallone was late night watching this flipping channels. Came across this show at the toughest bouncers in the country, and he just loved Mr. T's style, everything about him, and he's like, This is my guy. He had never acted before, and he like seals the show. Yeah he he he he owns that movie. Like he is the guy.

SPEAKER_04

What is his last name in that? Is it clubbering or lang? Lange. I think it is with the G, too. Club. That's one of the best names.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, yeah. Clubber Lang. You know, Stallone had all of Apollo Creed. Yeah, yeah. I saw this the other day. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

You're talking about Travolta earlier. I saw a clip. Do you know Sebastian Stallone's in Staying Alive?

SPEAKER_03

Yes. When he's walking down, he's walking down New York. Stallone directed? Yeah, he directed it. He directed it. He did? Yes.

SPEAKER_06

Well, that's why he's in it.

SPEAKER_03

He's like Hitchcock. He put himself in it.

SPEAKER_04

I didn't know he directed that. He directed it. Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_03

Man. Did you know that? I did not know that was a lot of things. That's right. Yeah. That's a little Stallone special. Frank had the music, and yeah. Frank Stallone. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Oh man, that's badass.

SPEAKER_06

And you've done some movies. I've done a few. Nothing like Stallone.

SPEAKER_04

I was researching. You know, I research my guests. Yeah. You know.

SPEAKER_06

Homework, I like it.

SPEAKER_04

Ten minutes before you guys could hear. Wikipedia. Oh my god. I knew everything about you. I've known you for a while. Yeah. And uh, but you were in a movie, I married black. And then you women blow up. Did Pacino recognize you from that?

SPEAKER_01

Chicago, great. Hey, wait, where do you marry black? Like, you got yeah, I gotta put you in my next film.

SPEAKER_04

I read the synopsis, and it's like a white man marries a black woman, and she basically finds out he's racist.

SPEAKER_06

And he finds out she's black. Yeah, we're trying to teach the public. Trying to teach the public. Yeah, that was a favor for our friend. That that some things you some things you if you could do over, you wouldn't probably do certain movies. Why not though? I mean, yeah, it was fun.

SPEAKER_07

I mean who were you in Netflix? Were you the disapproving cousin?

SPEAKER_06

Um, no, I was actually a cop in the movie. I had like one scene. It was not it wasn't that eventful, but but I did do a lifetime movie, and I just I just shot another one actually. Yeah, I played an attorney in a movie called Switched Before Birth. And this story has actually happened quite a bit where like the embryos get switched and they give somebody the wrong baby. Like the you know, lifetime movies are always based on true stories. So I was the attorney that had to break it to the family that the embryos got switched. So for whatever reason, I did this movie probably five years ago, and it started resurfacing on TikTok recently. Like it's a and it's me. Really? Yeah, it's me. It's going viral for some reason because I guess more and more hospitals, this is happening, and they're like, Oh, this is just like this movie. And and I'm in this, I'm in the scene, the big eventful scene. So it's kind of been fun that it's that it's like recirculating.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, I gotta pull that up. Yeah, so you're the person who who are you in this flip? Yeah, I'm the I'm the I'm the attorney.

SPEAKER_06

I'm the attorney that's representing the hospital. Okay, and I'm trying to, I'm hoping this family's not gonna sue. So I have the two families together, and it's this real intense. Oh, okay. It's like it's like the apex of the film. And so I got I got this big part where it's the important part of the film.

SPEAKER_07

You come in and gaslight the couple, yeah. You're crazy. Yes, and be able to find.

SPEAKER_06

And we don't want them to sue, yeah. It's it's it was it's fun. Acting is so different than doing broadcast TV. Broadcast TV is much like what we're doing right now, right? We're just knocking it out. It's it's one take, we're live, and that's it, and it's over and it's done. We must have shot this scene 25-30 times. And it's not because people messed up, just because when they shoot these films, they shoot them only with a couple of cameras, one for budget, but for two, so that you don't see the camera. Right, right. So they gotta shoot it from every different angle. And so they go around the room and it's like, okay, Dwayne, now it's your turn. We're ISOing Dwayne here, okay? ISO Dwayne, here we go. So you do your whole scene. Now we still gotta do it. We gotta do all the blocking, everything they same. Right. But we're just shooting you on this one from two different angles.

SPEAKER_07

What do you mean, my embryos of this one?

SPEAKER_06

Exactly.

SPEAKER_07

What are you doing?

SPEAKER_06

Exactly. So we do the whole scene of uh say it's four or five minutes, and then boom, okay, here we go, Pat. Now we need your reactions. We're doing it from the top. You do it all over again. That's why films just take forever, and that's why you also see mistakes with you know right different shirts and ties. Sometimes it's a different day.

SPEAKER_04

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SPEAKER_06

I I got to do shameless in an episode of Shameless. This one playing a reporter. Playing a reporter, real, real big stretch there. Yeah, but that's what you want to be doing. That's cool. Yeah, yeah, it was cool to be on set and Jeremy Allen White and um he he had like a seven-minute monologue that I just watched him do. I mean, I wasn't in this scene, but I'm watching him. He's doing it in one take. And I remember I had him on Wendy City shortly after, and I said, How did you do that? Like seven minutes straight, no cut, one camera. It was like the big uh, you know, ending monologue that he had of one of the seasons. And he was just telling me like how you how they study it, and they just try to get you know, paragraph by paragraph, and they just memorize the paragraph and paragraph. And then every day you take on another paragraph, and eventually you get it.

SPEAKER_04

Now the that's how I nailed the state capitals. I would do like five at a time. You know, memorizing it.

SPEAKER_06

So you sing a song and go off in the song, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, but but the soap actor, soap, soap opera actors are by far the hardest working actors. Oh, you did general hospital.

SPEAKER_07

Did general hospital and how many things have you done, right? You're working more than we are.

SPEAKER_06

I know, right? It's like one episode that I'm done. I was a bartender in that one.

SPEAKER_04

And he came from work and he's about to go back to work.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, right. That's it. You keep going. I'm gonna go take a nap. But but that the to watch them work is actually quite impressive. They don't get the credit they deserve because you know the sets are like high school sets. I mean, they they're they're pretty flimsy. I mean, you knock on the door, it'll fall over.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and some of them are fighting amnesia.

SPEAKER_06

And they come back from the dead. That's crazy. The storylines are nuts. But they they're literally looking at their scripts, they're holding their scripts while the director is counting down. Like, okay, here we go, here we go. We're gonna go in five, four, three. All right, Janice, why why did you cheat on me? What you know, it's like then they get right into character, but they're looking at their scripts because they have to memorize so much copy per day because they don't take, they try not to take a second take. And sometimes you can tell. But it is just like go, go, go.

SPEAKER_04

Did you pick up on this at all? One thing I picked up on when I did that show was that they talk f pretty quietly. Yeah, they were not like projecting, they weren't very much. And some of these guys I think play it small, like that's like a thing.

SPEAKER_07

That's what they say. You're supposed to play it small because they got microphones, they got cameras, so everything is small. Unlike a stage where everything is big because you're playing to the back of the room, right? Yeah, yeah, and then unless you're Marlon Brando as far as memorizing lines, where he the actors and the godfather had lines taped to that. Oh, I've seen those pictures. So he was just reading That's hilarious. He didn't memorize anything. Well, you think that's my style.

SPEAKER_04

You think you hear action and you think you have to be like on, like turn it on, turn it up. Yeah, but it's not often the case, right?

SPEAKER_06

Right, and and especially in like the soap operas because it's like I can't believe you, can't believe you betrayed my brother and you married my sister. You know, it's like everything is like so you know, intense. But uh, but yeah, you get a whole nother appreciation for for actors. It's it's it's a skill, it's like surfing. It look it when it's done well, it looks so easy. Guy surfs a 50-foot wave, no problem. And you're like, oh, that's amazing. You only notice acting when it's bad. Watch Kim Kardashian in a movie. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's raw.

SPEAKER_07

Or like even stand up.

SPEAKER_06

You know, it's like, oh man, I could so many people say it, oh, I could do that, and then they get up there and hardest job in the world. Stand up. I always say that. Hardest job in the world. There's no other profession aside from music, but where you sit down and you go, Okay, like you know what's coming and make me laugh. Like this is we know that this is what he's gonna do. He's gonna make us laugh, make us laugh.

SPEAKER_04

It's like, it's like you ever play make me laugh? Like you ever just in a room? I did this in college with my buddies. Like, we were in a room and we were like, you know, we're gonna try. It was like on TV, it was a game show, and then we tried it, dude. It was like cringe. You know, but everyone tightened up right away. Like, maybe we did it for like 10 seconds.

SPEAKER_06

I was always impressed with your crowd work. Oh man, crowd work made so good.

SPEAKER_07

This cat, and I'm not even saying it because he told me to say it, which he did. But have it taped right here. Yeah, yeah. Awesome, so quick, awesome, super cool. So quick when someone's celebrating a birthday and they're like in their 40s, super quick, man.

SPEAKER_06

Some of the lines, oh, it's dying. I appreciate that, man. Super fun. Yeah, that and I think about Pat every time I style my hair now because he has this hilarious bit. I think about this every time I'm styling my hair, even on the way here, before here. And it takes a while, it takes longer now. He goes, I'm gonna butcher your own joke, but he goes, You can always tell you're getting older because it takes you longer to do your hair. Yeah, you want me to do that? Yeah, you're you're like, you look at your hair and you're like, Okay, guys, I need you today. Stand straight up. Everybody, stand up. Yeah, we need to. Yeah, we need all of you today. And look, look, put your shoulders out. Look thick. Your hair looks beautiful. Oh man, I was yeah, it took me 35, 40 minutes. That's why I was late. Well, you look great, dude, and you got so many uh he's won handsome awards.

SPEAKER_04

No, and you just won the Dante Award. Congratulations, man. Thank you.

SPEAKER_06

That was an honor. It's uh it's the Italian Stanley Cup, I call it. Okay. It's the biggest award that you've ever seen. It's it's a big bust of Dante, who is a famous Italian poet. Yeah, yeah. Dante's Inferno. They give it to um they give it to a journalist in Chicago every year. And Dante Culpepper. I love Dante Culpepper. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna see if that bust looks like Dante Culpepper. It is like the biggest trophy, but it's given it's given by the uh the Joint Civic Committee of Italian Americans, but it they give it to all like pretty much legendary journalists in Chicago. Like I almost I just felt like I wasn't really deserving yet, because it usually goes to like Walter Jacobson was a couple years ago, and it's always these like iconic. I'm like, I either I'm getting old fast or you know, the colour. No, you're not, but you've done a lot in a short amount of time.

SPEAKER_04

Congratulations, yeah. Continue to do it, and I think that you know, there's not a lot of people that are on now that everybody kind of still knows. You ain't kidding, Bob. I don't know anybody. And you're that guy, yeah. And I love seeing you on there. And I want to encourage everyone to check out Ryan on socials. You do post a lot here on Instagram, a lot of great content.

SPEAKER_06

Now, now you're gonna see too much puppy content, but yeah, at Ryan Sheverini.

SPEAKER_04

We gotta um we gotta get some footage of you doing Sweet Caroline, and we'll sweep your legs. We'll post it.

SPEAKER_06

Put it over this interview on that one clip. Just that's what I want to see. Oh, it's so we will for sure. Have any of you guys seen that clip? Well, we're gonna watch it as a group after.

SPEAKER_04

It's gonna, my phone picked it up. I'm gonna I'll pick up my phone and it'll be in there. There we go. I'm gonna see. How about you, Dwayne? You got anything coming up?

SPEAKER_07

Uh, this weekend, no. Next week I'm in San Diego opening for W. Kamal Bell at the at Mic Drop. Oh, nice. Oh, San Diego.

SPEAKER_04

It's wonderful. Beautiful. Yeah. I'm gonna throw this out there. I'm doing a show uh where I'm just gonna kind of work the room. And I did this in December. I'm doing June 7th. Zany's Rosemont. There's a few tickets still available, but here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna give out two tickets, two free tickets. All you gotta do is leave a review to put yourself in the running. We need some reviews on the, you know, on Apple. You go in there on the podcast. It's nice when you get a review. So uh send us a review, give us a review, or send us an email. Just interact with us. Yeah, yeah. Show proof that you bought some Tiege Hanley. How about that? Show proof, and and we I want to ask you about your skincare, because here you go. This is the perfect guy. You should be the model for Tiege.

SPEAKER_06

Do you have a routine? Well, my girlfriend actually works for a skincare company, but uh. But we'll still give it a shot. It's not, yeah. Hopefully, we'll she'll embrace the products, but I I would love to try them out. You're moisturizing? Yes.

SPEAKER_04

What else do you use?

SPEAKER_06

Do you have a uh two two things a dermatologist told me a long time ago? I'm gonna be 49 years old this this year. Two two things that that uh dermatologist always says do not smoke and I don't, and do not get sunburned, and I don't.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06

As much as I want to be tan, I want to look like Gian Greco, don't get sunburned. Just do the just do like a fake, fake tan.

SPEAKER_04

You can get some uh some uh what do you call it? Turmeric drops. Oh, and don't you get some look good drops, you mix it in with the uh lotion. This is what I do. That's it. What is it called? It just gives you a little bit more complexion. Yeah, I'm trying to try to get some of this melanin, man. You know, I'm trying to reboot I Married Black.

SPEAKER_06

I think it's up for an Oscar this year. I think it's up for an Oscar, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

All right, so there you go. We win some tickets, and uh make sure you check out Ryan, Ryan. Thanks so much, dude.

SPEAKER_06

It's so good to see you, man. It is such a pleasure. Anything for you being here, doing this so fun. Thanks for having me, guys.

SPEAKER_04

All right, guys, have a great week. We will be next uh back next week, and I will be 50.

SPEAKER_05

Bye. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Pat McG. Happy birthday to you.

SPEAKER_02

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