Marcelo Balboa, Aaron Marino & Antonio Centeno: World Cup, Shark Tank & Loafers | TPMS Ep. 45

This week Pat and Dwayne Kennedy ring in the 4th of July, remember Stacey King, and Marcelo Balboa checks in from the World Cup to explain how Paraguay wrecked everyone's bracket.

Then two of the internet's original men's-style influencers, Aaron Marino (Alpha M.) and Antonio Centeno (Real Men Real Style), join back to back to talk nose hair, Sears jackets, and how a Marine Corps uniform was essentially the kickstarter to an entire business empire. 

Aaron traces his brand back to a childhood on a miniature Sicilian donkey farm outside Philadelphia, and the Porsche dealership moment that convinced him his midlife crisis had officially arrived. There's also a very specific colonoscopy story that earns him the title of "ass man," and a shared goal with Antonio to be the best-looking guy at his own funeral. It's equal parts vanity, mortality, and miniature donkeys. (Should we get one for the studio??) 

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0:00 – Intro: July 4th plans & fireworks stories
10:15 – White Sox game & Dwayne's birthday
14:46 – Marcelo Balboa: World Cup knockout round
26:15 – Aaron Marino joins: his YouTube origin story
35:34 – Shark Tank pitches and big flops
38:58 – Pete & Pedro and TJ Hanley origin
50:42 – Turning 50, health scare, and skincare
55:16 – Antonio Santino: Real Men Real Style
57:35 – Marine Corps values and service stories
1:06:16 – Custom suits and building a style brand
1:11:38 – Family life, Ukraine, and casual style tips
1:15:54 – Final fashion advice and wrap-up

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

It's episode 45 of the Pat McGann Show. This week, Pat welcomes men's self-improvement influencers Aaron Marino and Antonio Centeno. And as always, Dwayne Kennedy. Pat McGann Show as always is brought to you by Teach Hanley, Uncomplicated Skin Care for Men. And now, here's Pat. Away we go, episode 45, Let Freedom Ring.

SPEAKER_05 0:19

It is uh we're we are upon the 250th birthday of our great nation, but that doesn't stop us from getting together. We're working.

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 0:28

I'm here with Dwayne Kennedy. Dwayne, great to see you. Are you fired up for the uh for the holiday?

SPEAKER_02 0:34

Uh no more or less fired up than I am for the other previous 249. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 0:42

This one seems to be like, I don't know, there's just plenty going on without even giving it so much attention, but it feels like maybe it's particularly everyone's on their own.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

Disastrous.

SPEAKER_05 0:54

Yeah. Everyone party on your own.

SPEAKER_02 0:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 0:57

Be safe. Don't blow your fingers off.

SPEAKER_02 0:59

Oh man, come on. That's the thing. At some point, or did you were you ever a big fireworks guy? Like, you know, throwing fireworks and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:13

No, I was not allowed near them, really. I mean, but I'm laughing because I I've told you a lot of stories about like my uh Southside childhood and some of my buddies, and I'm just picturing, you know, daytime, middle of the day, and my buddy like shooting a Roman candle at us, you know. Yeah, that would be like the extent of you'd be interacting with fireworks when people would take them from their house and out, but no, I wasn't blowing stuff off in front of my house.

SPEAKER_02 1:45

Yeah, when we were kids, I remember uh being in in um I mean, really young kids, and we were in um we used to I used to go to Michigan a lot, and then um we were in Canada. My grandmother had taken us to Canada. She knew people in Canada because you know they were in the uh they were in Ipsy, Ann Arbor, and that area, which is like 40 miles what south of Detroit of Detroit, which in Detroit is right across the river from you know Canada, basically, like in Windsor, you know, was like almost like a suburb of Detroit. Anyway, we went, I just remember being in in Canada, and we had these, she gave us firecrackers. I remember like I had a uh my not really my my uncle, but he was not that much older than me. He was like we're like cousins, and putting a whole thing of firecrackers in his backpack and light. Oh man, how old are you? Uh I don't know, nine or ten. I don't know, man. But when you get older, man, it's like, yeah, fireworks are horrible, man, to be playing with.

SPEAKER_05 2:54

Yeah, it haven't really changed much. Although they're start are they starting to now? Are the drone shows uh part of their that's a cool new thing? That is a cool new thing. Yeah, because forever there's been no update, no change. I mean, you will you look at movies, they're in uh the the revolution, they're blowing off the same fireworks where we are now. They look at the ones at Kamisky Park. Yeah, they're all the same.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

Do you do you remember this during the pandemic? 20 and in 20. For some reason, I don't know if it was I think it was everywhere, but I know on the south side, for some reason, man, the year of 20, when at the point they declared the pandemic was what March, there seemed like an inordinate amount of fireworks. Because you know, you can hear fireworks all the way up until July 4th, right? You know what I'm saying? But this was like, man, I mean, like, it was heavy, like every day. I mean, like M80s and just every day, man. It was just something going on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:53

A lot of fireworks, a lot of sirens, too. I remember.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:56

A lot more of fireworks. As a result of the fireworks, everyone was just home. Everyone was just doing, blowing stuff up.

SPEAKER_02 4:02

That's what it was. I think that's what it was.

SPEAKER_05 4:03

That's what people do when they're bored. You remember light something on fire.

SPEAKER_02 4:06

Yeah, yeah, yes. You remember uh uh Jason Pierre Paul? He played, he was a uh um uh what do you call it? Edge rusher. At the time they just called it defensive end for the Giants. And then he went to the and the cat blew off some of his fingers.

SPEAKER_05 4:23

Oh man. Yeah. I had a guy on my show. I was talking to him, like just interacting with him, and he held his hand up and it was like, oh boy. Couple digits missing. Yeah, he was Shaka from he was like literally missing these three. I have a qu I have a clip of it on posted. Oh, for real? Yeah, what was the uh oh man, uh I just remember his name was Brian or something. Uh anyway, there's something on there. And he blew just fireworks. Yeah, he said it was a firework accident. Oh man, that's our message. Be careful. Yeah, but I don't know if you got big plans.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

Um just leave it to the professionals.

SPEAKER_05 5:02

Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_02 5:03

Or something.

SPEAKER_05 5:04

Yeah, it's gonna be hot here. I know there's a heat wave going through the nation. Right. Maybe that's gonna put a damper on some of the uh but you can just chill. You can watch, you know. You know what I've been watching? What? Um I got into this World War II Tom Hanks on the History Channel is doing a World War II. He kind of he loves World War II, man.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

Yeah. Tom Hanks. World War II was his job.

SPEAKER_05 5:26

No one's monetized World War II more than start start a whole yeah, this guy making money.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

You ever see, did you ever see Saving Private Ryan? Oh, yeah. Man, I'm gonna tell you something. In my opinion, like I've never two things like the Sopranos. You know, I love the Sopranos. Now, I mean I've never been in the mafia, whatever. But to me, the Sopranos, and I'm sure uh actual Mafia cat could just refute it and dispute what I'm saying. But to me, that seems authentic. A lot of that just seems authentic. The same way with Saving Private Ryan, never been to war, but when I saw the opening of Save a Private Ryan, I was like, that's how it goes for real.

SPEAKER_05 6:13

Oh, no doubt. You know what I mean? That was the first time you saw for me as well, like war being depicted as how brutal it must be.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Yes, brutal, random, chaotic. Do you know?

SPEAKER_05 6:26

What's the closest to war you think you've ever been?

SPEAKER_02 6:28

Well, earlier today I was on 63rd and nah.

SPEAKER_05 6:34

I thought you were gonna say like Friday late show.

SPEAKER_02 6:36

Friday late show, yeah. I did a gig in Hammond, and woo! You know, I got my pen. Yeah, veteran of the Hammond Bar Shows. No, um, closest to war.

SPEAKER_05 6:47

Well, that was like, you know, I went to Pearl Harbor recently, and that was kind of like right into that World War II thing going on. So I was talking to my buddy about it. I'm like, man, I've been watching this Tom Hanks thing. He's like, dude, meet that got me back in the band of brothers.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_05 7:01

Do you remember that? Yeah. Man, that went not a movie about the temptations, by the way.

unknown 7:07

Right, right.

SPEAKER_05 7:08

Or the Eisley. The Eisley's. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:11

It's a documentary. And they were brothers. Yeah. The Band of Brothers, man, that series went almost as long as World War II, dude. Oh, man, it was long.

unknown 7:21

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:22

Everybody's in that series, right? David Schwimmer.

SPEAKER_05 7:25

Yes, he is. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

Uh uh Damien Lewis.

SPEAKER_05 7:28

Damien Lewis. That was like his breakout, I think. Right.

SPEAKER_02 7:31

Isn't he Australian? What is he?

SPEAKER_05 7:33

I think he is. Yeah. British or Australian.

SPEAKER_02 7:35

Over here taking all the World War II.

SPEAKER_05 7:37

How about it? What are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 7:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:39

Couldn't find a real American?

SPEAKER_02 7:40

Go fight your own war.

SPEAKER_05 7:44

But uh that that is like, I don't know. My my daughter was saying they watched some of it in her history class. You know?

SPEAKER_02 7:51

My father fought in the Korean War.

SPEAKER_05 7:53

Did he really?

SPEAKER_02 7:53

Mm-hmm. Marines, brother.

SPEAKER_05 7:55

Wow. Oh. The few of the proud. Did he talk about it? Did he tell you much?

SPEAKER_02 7:59

No. No. Nothing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:03

Like ever talk trash? Like, hey, you having fun doing all your little jokes?

SPEAKER_02 8:06

He did used to say, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think one time he was talking to my nephew, trying to use him to try to shape up his life. We already got one clown in the family. One clown. Still doing your little clown act. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_05 8:23

Dude, you say clown. My buddy sent me an article the other day. This girl got arrested. I don't even know if it's true. I didn't like check, you know, fact-check it. No. But some girl got arrested because her boyfriend broke up with her, I think. So she sent a she hired a clown to slow clap at all of his softball games.

SPEAKER_02 8:45

Oh, that's true.

SPEAKER_05 8:46

He played in like a men's league.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

That's crazy. I hope that's true, man.

SPEAKER_05 8:53

Just making a mockery, like your men's league. Oh man. Playing?

SPEAKER_02 9:04

A clown. The worst, the worst blow-off I ever got from a woman, I asked her out and she said she couldn't go out with me because this was like a Tuesday. Hey, you want to go out? No, I can't because my friend, I got a friend that's graduating from clown college tonight.

SPEAKER_05 9:22

Oh man. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 9:24

Everybody knows they don't have clown college graduations on a Tuesday. Yeah, whatever.

unknown 9:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:33

Do you think that that was she was just putting the word clown in there for you? Like sift through all this information. The word that sticks out. That's what I'm that's what I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

Yeah, that subliminal message.

SPEAKER_05 9:46

Oh man. I can't attend. It's an extra detail that you don't really need.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

Yeah. Clown. Man. Well.

SPEAKER_05 9:52

Well, good for you for approaching. They say people don't even approach each other anymore. You know, that's a I guess. Now it's all like uh people are not really, they say the young people, they're not, they're not talking to each other. They're not going out, they're not drinking.

SPEAKER_02 10:06

No.

SPEAKER_05 10:06

They're swiping and go out and have some drinks and watch watch some uh some soccer to celebrate the 4th of July. Nothing more American than that. Yeah, we got a uh oh dude, I wanted to talk about the uh the White Sox. I went to a game the other night. Yeah, I saw Chuck Garfine and Ozzie. I st uh I had my kids with me. We were going for my guy's birthday, and then we we we saw, you know, I've had Chuck Garfine on here. Got to say say hi to him and Ozzy. Just a great night. They were honoring the 83 team this weekend.

SPEAKER_02 10:35

Oh they get honored a lot, don't they? Yeah, every five years, I think they're and they always bring out the the jersey.

SPEAKER_05 10:41

Well, that's the Yeah, they didn't wear that this time. They didn't? Yeah, I wish they would. Now they're doing like the City Connect, the one with the the Bulls and uh Oh, yeah, and it's got multiple logos on it or something.

SPEAKER_02 10:53

What do you think about that jersey?

SPEAKER_05 10:55

I don't know. It's just like everything's being monetized. Yeah now I bring up the Bulls. I saw the uh Remembering Stacey King. I don't know if we ever talked about Stacey King on there, man. Dude. That was a big shock to the city, and what a send-off for this guy. He really touched a lot of people's lives, and uh, they had a special on last night.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

He has such a great personality, man. Oh yeah. I mean, when he was back in his playing days, I didn't know much about him, but then I I grew more to know more about just as an announcer and how great he was when he was um broadcasting for when uh the Derrick Rose teams. Oh, yeah? Oh man, sad. Too big, yeah, too fast, too strong, too good.

SPEAKER_05 11:35

He had so many great sayings. Yeah, so we gotta pour out some hot sauce for Stacy King, man.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

Right. Oh, what was the one when he had oh what was the cat? His last name was Watson. He played on the on our on the book.

SPEAKER_05 11:49

Oh CJ Watson.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

CJ Watson. He was like CJ Watson, like Randy Watson from uh sexual chocolate. Yeah, sexual chocolate. CJ Watson. Yeah, love it, man.

SPEAKER_05 12:02

We're gonna miss Stacy and uh but anyway. I mentioned my son's birthday. That means it was your birthday, Dwayne Kennedy.

SPEAKER_02 12:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:12

My uh son Elliot, and we were at lunch, we discovered that you guys had the same birthday.

SPEAKER_02 12:16

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_05 12:17

You kept your birthday a secret from me in the past.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

Yeah, I've kept it a secret from everybody.

SPEAKER_05 12:22

You brought it out because he said it was his.

SPEAKER_02 12:23

Yeah, I was compelled, man, because he's just such a good guy. In the way, we got the same. That's why you're a good guy. We got the same birthday.

SPEAKER_05 12:31

I felt like I cracked a code. I felt like I got more information about you.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

Yeah, then he said, How old are you, sir? That's none of your business, kids. You don't worry about that. You don't talk back to elders. Did you celebrate? You know, Pat, just another day being alive is a celebration. No, I didn't do anything, man. Not really. I just had I had a uh a bite to eat with a couple of friends, but no, that was it, man.

SPEAKER_05 12:59

But I'm sounds like you had a great time.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

You know me, brother. You know, sat stared at a wall.

SPEAKER_05 13:05

You're like, how can I trim this down, give them the least amount of information? I had a bite to eat with some people I'm not gonna disclose to you right now. Well, I want to wish you a happy birthday, man. Thanks, man. I hope it was a great time. You give uh us so much here on the show and love that we get to spend this time together because of the show.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

Yeah, this is cool, man. This is cool.

SPEAKER_05 13:29

So happy birthday to Dwayne Kennedy. All right, let's get this thing moving because we do have, as I like to say, another banger of an episode. We got a lot more in these episodes lately. We're gonna be talking to Marcelo Balboa today, World Cup. We're gonna check in with Marcelo, and then we have a guest joining us as well, big time influencer in the in the male, everything male space. Yeah, right? Yes. So we're gonna walk out of here like a little bit more dude by the end of the day. All right, with better posture.

SPEAKER_02 14:02

Face of the day.

SPEAKER_05 14:03

All right, buckle up, everyone. Here we go. Let's kick it off with Marcelo Balboa. Hey guys, quick question. Are you washing your face with the same soap you wash your car with? Do you shower in the driveway too? It's time to step things up. That's why I like Tiege Hanley. It's a super simple skincare system made for guys. Cleanse, moisturize, exfoliate. It's all laid out so you don't have to think about it. Just a few minutes a day, and your skin actually looks better. Head to Tiege.com slash pat for 40% off and a free gift. Start taking care of your face like an adult. That's Tiege.com slash Pat. Alright, it's time to check in with our World Cup wizard. I have really I find myself looking forward to this conversation. Marcelo Balboa joining us again. Man, man, now we're into it. The tournament is seems very real now with the elimination round being upon us. Um tell us about these games. What are you seeing?

SPEAKER_03 15:09

What are you enjoying? Um, well, Paraguay busted my bracket, and so did the Netherlands. So, you know, I think we've had uh two big surprises there with Germany losing to Paraguay and then not really an upset, but uh a difficult loss for the Netherlands. I think a lot of people had the Netherlands reaching the final this year. So um the knockout games.

SPEAKER_05 15:34

So they were would you say that they were the better team than the Germans?

SPEAKER_03 15:39

Um no, no, I just think that the Germans couldn't find a way to put the ball in the back of the net. You know what I mean? And when you go to penalties, it's it's a crapshoot. And that's what ended up happening. The goalkeeper Hill had a great game, made two saves, and uh Tog missed the third one, and that's the end of the game. Germany's gone home, and Paraguay, who got spanked, let's be honest, four to one by the U.S. in the first game, all of a sudden now is into the uh into the next round.

SPEAKER_05 16:08

Yeah, pretty insane. I wanted to ask you, um, as a player, and you know, you played at the highest level, what is your take on penalty kicks deciding a game of that magnitude?

SPEAKER_03 16:21

Well, listen, you can only play for so long before your body and your legs give out, and 120 minutes is about the breaking point for a lot of players. So yeah, I think that uh I'm not a big fan, but uh, I think that's really the only way you could really figure out how that game, because you can't keep playing until somebody scores. Or you go back, you go back to golden goal when you go into extra time, the first team that scores, it's over. The game's over. So um I like penalty kicks. I like the drama. Um, I don't have to take them anymore, so it's great. So, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 16:54

Did you have a couple in your mind when you were approaching the ball?

SPEAKER_03 16:58

Like when do you make your you you have a spot picked, but when we played, it's different. Uh you pick a spot and you hit it. Nowadays, you can see the strategic run-up by a player. He runs, he slows down, he runs, he slows down, he pauses and see if the goalkeeper leans, and then he can go in either direction. So it's a little bit more sophisticated now.

SPEAKER_05 17:18

Do you guys communicate with each other about hey, I'm gonna work the upper right or I'm going to go?

SPEAKER_03 17:24

No, no, no, no. You you walk up, you pick a spot, and you go. That's it. Once you start questioning yourself, then that's where you have that doubt. That's where you mishit it. And uh once you walk up there, you kind of already see the keeper. You have your spot picked, and you go.

SPEAKER_05 17:40

It would be kind of cool with basketball. Instead of over time, they used to pick some players to go one-on-one five times. Right? That could be cool if they just tried that in like preseason. I I'm not sure how that would work.

SPEAKER_03 17:56

I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_05 17:58

All right, I always like to talk to you also about some of the stuff that's happened, like on the peripheral, like the um other issues that people are talking about. I know climate is one because these games are scattered all over, and some people are playing in some miserable conditions, and some people. What is your take on the uh do you think it's a really huge issue playing in this heat? Should they be taking more breaks or should they postpone games?

SPEAKER_03 18:27

No, that's not true. Yeah, I know there's a heat wave coming. So there's already there's already changed our sport from two halves to four quarters.

SPEAKER_05 18:36

The hydration breaks we're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 18:38

But they're already high, we already have hydration breaks at the 20th minute or the 22nd minute right in there, you get uh a break in the first half and you get a break in the second half. So I think uh FIFA is uh putting doing that, and I get it. If it's over 90 degrees, I get the hydration break. But let's think they've been bribed by big water. Nah, listen, it's not smart water, maybe, but it's not uh it's not it's listen. In our sport, there's no such thing as a as a hydration break unless it's over 90 some degrees where the players need it. But uh when it gets hotter in the summer here, yeah, I could see the hydration break uh being important.

SPEAKER_05 19:20

Yeah, and the teams are traveling in between these uh locations as well, right? So some have further gone than others. What are you looking forward to in this next round? Because here we are. We already have some teams eliminated from this round of 32. Yeah. Japan's out. Yeah. Germany and Netherlands, we already discussed, and uh South Africa out.

SPEAKER_03 19:43

Yeah, it's getting it's getting interesting. I think today's game, France, Sweden will be will be quite interesting. Canada's already through. So France and Sweden. That sounds like uh break out in a hug. So that's the clearing hug.

SPEAKER_05 20:00

Yes. Hey, you guys you guys take it.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Yeah, no, it's uh it'll it'll be an interesting game. Everybody's got the French reaching the final already. So uh I think this will be a first uh big step for them to see what's going on. They have the they have them in the final. They have right now a lot of people have uh France, Argentina in the final, and the path just got a little easier for France. If they beat Sweden, they get Paraguay. So that's and everybody was expecting Germany to win, and we'd see France, Germany in the round of 16.

SPEAKER_05 20:36

And Paraguay is the Cinderella right now?

SPEAKER_03 20:39

Yeah, right now they are very much the Cinderella story.

SPEAKER_05 20:43

Now the United States, um, I don't know if it's because we're the greatest country. Uh we are we have to play two nations. We have to play Bosnia and Herzegovina. Everyone else is playing one country. But of course, USA, we got to take on this is the round of 33.

SPEAKER_03 21:01

Yes, yes, yes. Bosnia and Herzegovina, do they warm up separately? Do they come out? Do they have the same uniforms? They they they they uh they come out in two different locker rooms. They meet each other on the field and they warm up. No, this is a round of 32, and uh this would be a good team. They they tied Canada. They're uh they'll be a good challenge for the U.S.

SPEAKER_05 21:23

Do you have a prediction? Would it be a monumental upset if America lost this game?

SPEAKER_03 21:28

Yeah, I think, and I don't know if it'd be an upset. This this group in the playoffs beat Italy to get into the World Cup. So, but I think that we are not the underdogs. We are we are the favorites in this in this game. So let's hope the uh the boys go out and get the job done.

SPEAKER_05 21:44

How would you describe our style of play when you're looking at all these other countries? Would you say our team is a aggressive physical what what's or fast and agile?

SPEAKER_03 21:56

We're a high pressing team. You know what I mean? We're a team that that's very Very athletic or a team that is um would just say very uh energetic on the field. They'll press and they'll repress, um, they'll run all day. Mentality of an American, we're gonna fight for 90 minutes, we're gonna make the game as possible as difficult as possible for you. So I expect to see that same kind of mentality and tactics against a team like Bosnia.

SPEAKER_05 22:27

And when is uh United States playing? Are we playing on July? Is it first?

SPEAKER_03 22:32

July 1st, it will play on Wednesday at uh San Francisco and Santa Clara Levi Stadium.

SPEAKER_05 22:38

And will the next round start on the 4th of July? Is there an up is there a chance to be there?

SPEAKER_03 22:43

No, no, no. We won't we won't play on the 4th of July. We won't play on the 4th of July. Yeah, I think the next game as I'm looking here would be July between the 4th and the 7th. I think we're the 6th, I believe.

SPEAKER_05 22:59

Yeah, it's pretty cool to have, you know, with the uh 250th anniversary and the 4th of July coming up. It's nice to have the World Cup here. It kind of adds another element. People are fired up, and we do have all these visitors. We talked last time about people that are checking out our country for the first time and sharing how great it is. That's the fun thing, and I like that angle for casual fans. Can you also hype up some of these games for the casual fan? Because I find myself getting a lot more into it now that we're in the single elimination situation.

SPEAKER_03 23:28

I'm gonna hype up your local MLS team. I'm gonna tell you right now, Chicago Fire just ended up buying Lewandowski from Barcelona. So he will be a Chicago Fire in the next week. And if you don't know who he is, look him up. He is a badass. Oh, that is crazy. He is a great signing. Polish International, this guy. This is a fantastic signing uh for the Chicago Fire. But some of the better games that you're gonna look at throughout uh, you know, Portugal, Croatia, Spain, Austria, US, Bosnia should be pretty good when you look at some of the other ones. Uh uh Ivory Coast and Norway, which we'll play today, England, Congo. Um everybody wants to see Cabo Verde. They play Argentina, they're the Cinderella story right now.

SPEAKER_06 24:14

There's another one, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:15

Yeah, there's another one, and then uh Colombia and Ghana would probably be some of the better games you're coming up here in the next uh two to three days.

SPEAKER_05 24:25

Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. And I know you're gonna be very busy. How is uh uh how's your life going? Are you really wrapped into it? You fired up?

SPEAKER_03 24:34

It's slowing down a little bit, which is nice. Instead of having six games, we're having three games a day. So it's starting to relax a little bit. I get to go to Chicago uh tomorrow morning. I leave at uh six o'clock in the morning. We're gonna do a watch-along in Chicago, so we'll have a blast there with all the uh with all the fan fests. So we'll have a good time, then we'll head back.

SPEAKER_05 24:56

You gotta tell me where that's at. I might swing behind.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

I gotta bring you some uh bring you some skincare. Yes, please set up. I will uh I will hook you up and let you know where we're gonna be tomorrow.

SPEAKER_05 25:08

All right, man. That would be great to meet you in person. I appreciate your time again, Marcelo. I do enjoy talking to you, bud. Your expertise, you've added a really nice element, the recurring expert on the show.

SPEAKER_03 25:22

I'm trying, my friend. I'm trying. I'm trying to be insightful for you.

SPEAKER_05 25:27

That's outstanding stuff, man. All right, Marcelo Balboa, thank you, bud, for joining us, and uh, we'll talk to you next week. You got it. Thanks, buddy. When your skin looks better, you feel more confident everywhere you go. At work, out with friends, on a date, or like me at a big show. That's why I like Tiege Hanley. They make skincare simple with a routine that takes about two minutes a day. Just wash, exfoliate, moisturize, and you're done. No complicated routines or cluttered bathroom shelves. If you want to look better without overthinking it, try Tiege Hanley. Check it out at Tiege.com slash Pat and get 40% off and a free gift. That's Tiege.com slash Pat. Tiege Hanley. Put your best face forward. Alright, really happy to be welcoming in to the show, Aaron Marino. Aaron, I I'm gonna introduce you as like one of the top influencers on everything, men's style. You you get you have a wildly popular YouTube channel, Alpha M. Yep. Can you uh how do you define yourself?

SPEAKER_01 26:35

Like how would you describe I uh how do I define myself? I'm a yeah, I'm a content creator that just kind of got lucky, you know, and the internet, um, especially you know, on YouTube, it's they say you're either first fabulous or you're fucked. And I was just simply first. And so I was uh back in 2008, the first guy I had just gone through a bankruptcy, my my fitness center was failing, or it failed at that point, and I was like, you know, what I really like to do is help guys, you know, just kind of dress. And and I didn't know much about style, if I'm being honest, but you know, I learned enough and I knew more than like my buddies and their uncles. And so um it was one of those things where there was a friend of mine at the Weather Channel, um, Steve, who was a meteorologist, and he always dressed terribly and he had a date and he was like, hey, I don't know what to wear. And so I'm like, okay, cool, like why don't we go shopping? And uh, you know, while we're at it, let's you know, go to this guy that I know to get your hair cut and your nose hairs are nuts, so let's go handle it. And um, and so so we did, and and uh he went to the house. Why was this guy on television? Well, he wasn't, he's behind the scenes, exactly. But after this, see the nose hair exactly on the forecast. Nope. So after that, he went back to work, and uh one of his female coworkers said, Hey Steve, you look amazing. You know, what happened? He's like, Oh, I've got this guy who took me shopping, and um she's like, Well, Willie, take my husband. And so that was kind of like when the light bulb kind of went off. From the age of 12, all I really wanted to do was own a fitness center. And then when that happened, and then it ended up failing, I was like, I don't know what my next kind of move is, but maybe this will be fun. And so I started, you know, basically posting um, you know, or I should say, I I had my my friend who was my assistant, um, do a website. We started Google advertising back in the day when you could get a click for like 50 cents, started advertising, and right away I started getting clients from all over the country, these divorced guys that just basically wanted to just look better for dating. And um, and so in 2007, my wife gave me a video camera. I thought it was because she wanted to, you know, film ourselves, you know, getting freaky. You dig that was not the case. And so I'm like, you know, I have a big mouth and and uh video camera. So I thought, you know what? I'm I'm starting this like image consulting business. Did you tried using the camera for that? No, she not even, dude. Exactly. It was it was big and clunky, but I do have a funny story about that. I'll get to our time. Exactly. Exactly. I used the nanny cam. The nanny cam. No, I'm kidding. And so uh, so anyway, so um I I ended up posting a video online back in 2008, and um I went shopping at at Sears and bought all these like really big oversized jackets because I didn't understand how things were supposed to fit. I thought that because I was able to tie like a Windsor knot, I like new style and it looked ridiculous, and that was me and the first like 50 videos. And so I just started posting, and I just kept posting and posting and posting. And this was in 2008 when at the time you know YouTube really started in 06. Um, it was cat videos and me. It was there was not much going on.

SPEAKER_05 29:39

So you are like one of the first people producing, or you were the I was the first person talking about like grooming style, fitness, that type of stuff. And so um And you're taking everyone to Sears?

SPEAKER_01 29:51

Yeah, well, yeah, or or like thrift stores. I didn't know what the hell I was doing, and so um I'd uh like I said, I just kept posting. And it was uh one of those things where it just started. I was thinking to myself, you know, like what is something that you know, if you know I didn't have like a channel, because I didn't, you know, growing up, I had to figure, you know, I'm I'm 50.

SPEAKER_05 30:10

And so and you're from Philly, you grew up in Philadelphia. Did you grow up using technology? No, cameras, anything? No, so this was not intuitive.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

I was scared of technology. My wife tried to get me to buy a Blackberry. I'm like, what if I can't figure it out? I know I I run from I there's late adopters, early adopters, and then there's like only adopting if you absolutely have to, and they're taking away query keyboards from your phone. That's that's that's me in terms of technology. But yeah, just just kind of figured it out and um kept doing it. I'm not real great at it, technologically speaking. I still suck, but um, I just kept doing it and I just fell in love with it because I think for for me, and what I really loved about fitness was helping people. And um I didn't know like what success really looked like when I was filing bankruptcy and going through that whole situation. But then I came to realize that, you know, for me, once I started posting content, it was really just about feeling like I mattered or like I was able to help somebody. And so um that was at that point, it's like this is it, I'm gonna do this for the rest of my life because I felt like I was kind of just like valued and like you know, coming from kind of a a bad, you know, family situation, like you know, having that that ability to kind of connect with people, and it was just amazing. And so I kept doing it. And so now I don't know, it's uh 19 years since I started. So I keep doing it.

SPEAKER_05 31:31

And how many subscribers you have at this point? Uh like not to say that this is what measures everything, and I kind of don't love that. Yeah, speaking to someone that only has a handful.

SPEAKER_01 31:40

Yeah, it was like but it's you know You hate to see like, but it is an impressive number. How many Yeah, it it sounds impressive. It's like close to seven million, but it's it's funny. It took me So like six million? No, yeah, uh yeah, like six million seven hundred, but who's counting? Thousand, but who's counting? Um yeah, but it's it's for the first like five, it took me, I think, five or six years to get like a million, and then the next million came in the next like eight months.

SPEAKER_05 32:07

I mean, it was it was a really slow And what did you see was the most that people were connecting with? And and was in some ways, could you distill some of this advice or tips you're giving guys?

SPEAKER_01 32:21

A lot of it, a lot of it was just basic like grooming stuff. One of my most popular videos, like how to handle butt hair. And like, you know, how to, how to, how to like how to what?

SPEAKER_05 32:31

How to get out of your teeth?

SPEAKER_01 32:32

Exactly. When you're eating ass.

SPEAKER_05 32:35

No. All right. If you want your salad too. Dwayne needs a breather. I think we all need a breather.

SPEAKER_02 32:41

Somebody give me my Bible because I'm a uh butt hair.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

And then like cutting my own hair. I always did that because you know, growing up when you didn't have any money.

SPEAKER_05 32:51

I This is like talking to Pryor, and his first bit was about taking a dump. You ever hear him talk about how he got his start and then his start? You know, his most popular video was butt hair.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

Butthair.

SPEAKER_02 33:03

And uh just talking about you knew that.

SPEAKER_01 33:06

It is, it is, and now, like, yeah, manscaping and all that. It's uh yes, so just talking about things that I was comfortable talking about just because I am kind of an open book and that at the time, now it's a different world, just because now you've got 50,000 people talking about the most ridiculous, crazy shit they can think of. Um, for me, it was just let me just, you know, say things or talk about things that I had questions about, or I think I would want to know if I was, you know, a young guy and I didn't have the resource and so, or a father or brother, or somebody to ask. And that's one of the things that like now I meet a lot of guys that'll be like, oh my God, I, you know, I used to watch you when I was in high school. And my wife at first was like, Well, why don't they still? I'm like, listen, it's like it's an evolution type of thing. It's like I served the purpose for a time for a lot of young guys as they were growing up. They kind of we kind of came up together. I just happened to be an older guy talking about these, these, these things, but like, hey, you're the guy that you're you're why I wax my crack. Exactly. You're the guy, yes, exactly. And so, so yeah, so that's how it kind of started. So that allowed me to kind of parlay. One of the big things when you're doing social media is okay, well, how do I make a living from this? At the time that I started, there was nobody making any money from there was no idea that you could ever make money from this platform. Now it kind of gets a little bit perverted because everybody goes into it knowing I could be a millionaire or I could make a ton of money if you know I do or say or or I become popular. Back in the day, it was very, very organic. It was very just because I've got something I want to share, I want to say. And so it was very, I want to say pure, but it was it was pure. There wasn't the um, there were a lot of you know, comedians that were now they're not there anymore because basically YouTube has changed a lot. The platform has gone through a lot of different iterations. You know, you used to not or used to be able to say whatever you want, you used to be able to curse, you used to this and that. Now they've become a lot more PC because they're focused on making money through their advertising sponsorships. And so it's become very different. But back in the early day, it was like, all right, well, how am I gonna make how am I gonna make money from this? And so it ended up being, you know, I tried a few different products. I, you know, came out with the Alpha M style system, was based which was basically like a a DVD system to teach guys how to dress. I was on Shark Tank for that, which was really cool experience.

SPEAKER_05 35:34

Yeah, I want to hear about that experience because you were on Shark Tank a couple times. Yeah, that was the first time you pitched them a uh style system.

SPEAKER_01 35:41

It was DV, physical DVDs. That's how technologically unsavvy I am. Nobody at the time nobody had DVD players. Everybody's like, okay, what what do we do with this thing?

SPEAKER_05 35:51

They had already been funny, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

They're like, wait, we don't even what's like this doesn't even work anymore. And so, but I was like, I'm gonna kill it and I'm gonna make so much money. And I was on Shark Tank, and the night of the part or the Shark Tank that airing, I was like, you know what? They didn't buy it, they didn't like it, but whatever. I'm gonna make hundreds of thousands of dollars because I'm gonna be in front of like 10 million people, and um, I had all these people over my house. I, you know, spent all this money getting my inventory ready. I had all this like extra, you know, like like technology and and bandwidth. So my website didn't crash, and the first night or the night that it aired, guess how many style systems I sold?

SPEAKER_02 36:30

Um let me see three. What's your guess?

SPEAKER_05 36:35

Um, I'll guess uh twenty.

SPEAKER_02 36:37

No, you know what? None.

SPEAKER_01 36:40

One, you were close. One style system, okay, and I'm sitting there and I'm like, fuck.

SPEAKER_05 36:45

And your website crashed.

SPEAKER_01 36:46

And my website didn't crash, nothing happened. I think like three people went. But that's all right, you know. You uh live and learn, and it was a great experience, and I got to go back on again.

SPEAKER_05 36:55

And uh isn't that funny though? Because the perception is, and maybe that's more powerful to people watching it. The perception is that it was bigger than that. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

Right. Oh yeah, absolutely. Like, and that's the thing that everybody thinks, and and it I think it was true earlier on with Shark Tank. It's such an incredibly popular show, and it's done really well. I think earlier on you had a lot more of these, like, you're on Shark Tank, and if it was the right product, the right price, the right demographic, you just went to the moon. You know, the scrub daddy. I got to meet that guy when I was out there filming, you know, and he's one of the most successful people, but it's gotta be the right product. If it's not, then you're literally not gonna it doesn't matter if nine, ten, twenty million people see it. If it doesn't connect with an audience or it doesn't connect for whatever reason, whether or not it's the cost, the price, you're misaligned with what you're selling and what their you know need is, um, you're not gonna sell shit.

SPEAKER_05 37:49

And so I took a big L on that one, but you know, but so you it spins you out a little bit. Yep. You regroup. Regrouped. Now you're back on Shark Tank.

SPEAKER_01 37:59

Back on Shark Tank.

SPEAKER_05 38:00

You got a different product, different product. And you look a little different too. Were you trying to like disguise yourself like you're hey, I'm back. No, I just I just got the Costco sample table. No, no, me again.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

No, no, no, no. I uh I I didn't look different, I just was more matricular.

SPEAKER_05 38:17

I thought you were like clean shaven the first time. Were you?

SPEAKER_01 38:19

Didn't you have more of the it might have been, but I I had a suit that fit better finally.

SPEAKER_05 38:23

Oh yeah, because the first time I go, I go to this like this We're trying to sell a styling package in a suit that didn't fit.

SPEAKER_01 38:30

Oh God. That's what I'm telling you. I didn't know. I just I was first, and uh that's the only reason why I was able to capture that market. But yeah, so went on the second time and I'm a no.

SPEAKER_05 38:40

You look like you look like a goof, dude.

SPEAKER_01 38:42

Exactly, exactly. You're like that suit. And they're all like very stylish and they're all you know.

SPEAKER_05 38:47

Was it the regular cast? Was it Mark Cuban?

SPEAKER_01 38:49

Yep, yeah, it was Mark. It was the first time it was Mark, it was Barbara, it was Damon, it was Robert, it was Mr. Wonderful. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:55

Anyway, so now you're back on Shark Teddy.

SPEAKER_01 38:57

Pete and Pedro. Pete and Pedro.

SPEAKER_05 38:59

And what inspired that name?

SPEAKER_01 39:00

Uh my my uh I grew up on a farm outside of Philadelphia with miniature Sicilian donkeys and uh or donkeys as everybody else pronounces it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 39:10

And so uh You grew up with miniature Sicilian donkeys.

SPEAKER_01 39:13

Correct. About 35 of them.

SPEAKER_05 39:15

What? What for what what were they used for?

SPEAKER_01 39:17

Uh circus? No, they were my they were it was it was this weird thing that my my stepfather and my mom um they would basically sell these like miniature cute donkeys to people in like you know I want one nice oh they're amazing. We need one for the studio. You need one for the studio. If we get one, I'll be I'll be a Bill Rancig brought his dog. Why couldn't you bring a miniature little donkey dude? Yeah, yeah. So I uh so so I grew up with these donkeys, and so Pete Peter is my father. Pedro kind of represents my mom. And uh it was just I remember I was on the.

SPEAKER_05 39:49

How does that represent your mom?

SPEAKER_01 39:50

No, just because she was the one that bred these donkeys, not you know, actually breeding them, but you get what I'm saying. And so uh we uh I remember I was on the Stairmaster and I was trying to think of a name. I'm like Pete and Pedro, I'll bet the URL's available, and sure enough it was, and and that was that.

SPEAKER_05 40:05

So And that was the next pitch. That was the next pitch.

SPEAKER_01 40:08

It was uh it was a hair product, it was a private label hair product. So I basically went, I found a lab, I found products that I like, and I I put my label on it, and that was an easy way to basically get into a uh a consumable product that I just really loved, and and since then it's changed and now it's you know more custom, obviously. But uh at the time it was an easy way. I spent 3,000 bucks and um was able to get my full opening inventory. They put my label on the jar and I got a website and and uh I was off to the races.

SPEAKER_05 40:38

Man, you really do have an entrepreneurial spirit. And you had that as a kid too? Were you like the guy?

SPEAKER_01 40:45

I was in a kid, I was like 40.

SPEAKER_05 40:46

No, I'm saying did you have that as a kid? This entrepreneurial like were you the one organizing the a lemonade stand or selling that had a paper out selling stuff?

SPEAKER_02 40:56

I was not. I uh doing miniature sicilian donkey shows rides.

SPEAKER_01 40:59

See, I should donkey shows. Yeah, yeah. Could you ride one of those? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:06

Like would you take it to school?

SPEAKER_01 41:07

Uh I would not take it to school. I was in bar stuff, but I wouldn't let I didn't let anybody know that I had donkeys. So no, very embarrassing growing up as a uh 16-year-old. Now it'd be like now people be like, now I'm like, God, if I could just go back, I wouldn't have any friends, I'd just hang out with the donkeys.

SPEAKER_05 41:23

Film yourself with them, post that exactly.

SPEAKER_01 41:26

I would crush it on social media if I had donkeys.

SPEAKER_05 41:28

Yeah, absolutely. So what are you um your content now? Is it more dialed in or are you still staying kind of pretty broad.

SPEAKER_01 41:37

Um, yeah, uh it's funny because um everything changed when the world shut down for COVID. Everything changed. People's viewing patterns changed, what they were interested in. Nobody was dating, so nobody cared about what they were wearing. It was just, you know. And so I saw a big shift in my viewership, and I'm like, what's going on? Something, it's the algorithm. It's not the algorithm. It's right, no, it went down. My my the best video, I had my number one video during that time. As soon as everybody stopped being able to go out, I'm like, I'll bet it's time to revamp my how to cut your own hair at home.

SPEAKER_05 42:10

This is when people are growing out their butt hair. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 42:13

Yeah, and braiding it, braiding it, styling it, styling it, afro. They had like the whole pick thing. Um, yeah, so I uh no, and and so that it was just very, very different back then. And so, so people's viewing habits have changed, and um, and it bas my my viewership has has dropped like drastically. But there was a while or a time where I was very upset about I'm like, oh, I felt like a huge failure because one of the problems with being a content creator or a podcaster or a comedian is I'd imagine I'm not funny, so I don't know, but uh is that like when when you get a lot of engagement or you're getting a lot of views, like you feel good, and so much of your self-esteem and your your your mood is tied to this like arbitrary thing that you have very little control over when you really unpack it. And so for a very long time, I was unhealthy in the amount that I would allow that to affect my day, my mood, my my everything.

SPEAKER_05 43:11

And so I actually that I posted a clip earlier today, and I kind of want to see how it's doing right now.

SPEAKER_01 43:17

That might that might kill the mood. I'm feeling good.

SPEAKER_05 43:19

No, right? Exactly. I mean, what a shame. We can't be pulled by that, dictated by that, right?

SPEAKER_01 43:25

It well, right. And and so now, because I've kind of had this almost I was also doing a lot of sponsorships back in the day. Like there was a time where YouTube, I was making like four million dollars a year just from from video sponsorships. Really? Yeah, yeah. And so that in turn led I mean, it so it's like that was just a a huge business. And so I was the like the first person that I knew of on YouTube that was really taking these sponsorships, and then I it was one of those things where I was having a difficult time.

SPEAKER_05 43:55

Now, are you hearing from YouTube and at this point? Yeah, yeah. But sometime are they like, hey man. We're noticing that you're do you ever you ever meet the people at YouTube?

SPEAKER_01 44:04

You ever go I've met them one time. And no, they don't give a shit. You are just like they've got you know hundreds of thousands.

SPEAKER_05 44:13

Well, I just saw because you were like in the forefront. You were like this.

SPEAKER_01 44:16

Well, at the time when I was popular, the mo like I was, you know, very popular, and um I was more engaged and involved, but then the universe shut down, and and since then they don't, I mean, you don't have any interaction with them at all. Um But yeah, so so because I was uh doing these sponsorships and because I was talking about style, grooming, lifestyle stuff that people wanted to uh to talk about, that's actually how I met Kelly at Tiege Hanley and Rob. Um they were interested in in me actually promoting the original version of Tiege Hanley, which nobody really knows that there was an original version where um they were using other people's products and thought, you know, Kelly, because he comes from a a uh consumer product kind of world and branding, and he was like, hey, I think there's an opportunity for for skincare. It's a low-hanging fruit. There aren't that many you know, people doing it. And so he and Rob came up with this idea, or I guess it was Kelly came up with the idea and invited Rob to join him about hey, let's let's uh sell other people's products and we'll come up with a few levels of of systems and we'll sell them. And so um they reached he reached out to my my my friend Terry, who was running my uh my advertising agency that we started because we were having a difficult time keeping up with all the uh sponsorship inquiries. And um, and so he said, uh, he's like, you know, hey, he came and and he was like, uh we would like Aaron because they were having a difficult time getting people to buy their kits. I think they sold like two of them, and I think Paula Kelly's wife bought one of them, and maybe his his mom bought the other. And um and it was terrible. And Terry's like, listen, they're gonna pay you 80 grand. Get on the phone with them and talk to them. And I'd always wanted to do skincare. And so, you know, I did hair care, and I'm like, skincare, I'm telling you we could crush this. And so we had a call. It was Terry, my my uh my business partner in my advertising agency, Rob and Kelly and me, and they said, Well, here's our our our business. And so I said, You don't need to pay me, you need to partner with me, and then let me promote it and do what I need to do with my audience. Back in the at that time, I had a huge ability to drive traffic, awareness, and sales to whatever I was promoting. It was, you know, 10 years ago. And um back in like 2016, that was probably I would say, like, the height of my These are the years we like to talk about. These are the years we like to talk about it.

SPEAKER_05 46:38

Yeah, you have the um this um ability to connect with people, and you do you really believe it is just talking directly to them from your own personal stuff?

SPEAKER_01 46:51

Yeah. Um, but one of the things that we did is um I I came to them and I I said, you know, what would you think about allowing me to kind of talk about our business um on a on a different YouTube channel and kind of start just inviting guys to follow along on our journey of starting this, this, this business. And so um they were, I think somebody said no, somebody said yes. I said, well, here's why it's a good idea. Like, let me just like talk about the different things. I won't reveal any like crazy weird secrets, but inviting people along with our journey. No idea what was that was gonna lead to. But um, I started a new YouTube channel called uh Starting a Business, Building a Brand Vlog, and it was the starting of Tiege Hanley. And so um we basically every week I would do a talk, I would talk about something that we were dealing with. We would ask the customers for feedback or opinions. Do you like the white packaging or black? Do you like this or do you like that? And day one that we launched, we had a thousand people that signed up. So we basically went from like zero to a thousand subscribers literally within a day. And so we were able to very quickly and effectively, based solely on my my audience um for the first few years, basically grow the business to almost $10 million with nothing more than just my ability to drive traffic. But then everything changes because, and one of the things that Kelly would say is, you know, eventually you're not gonna be effective. And this was back when I was, you know, no, I'll always be effective.

SPEAKER_05 48:20

He says that to me all the time.

SPEAKER_01 48:21

Yeah, eventually you're not gonna be effective.

SPEAKER_02 48:25

He said that during the show.

SPEAKER_05 48:27

I want to ask you though, yeah, because I try and talk about it here, you know. I have a great partnership with Kelly, and I use the product. Yep. And um, you know, I want to be like so obvious about it when we're on the podcast all the time. But, you know, obviously you you seem to be using some some skincare. You got a routine. Yep. What do you say to people when you're talking about the importance of it? And like, you know, it's you know, guys should be doing that. Just take it.

SPEAKER_01 48:52

You know, I think it's I don't necessarily even think now is the conversation about guys should be. I think every guy knows they need to be doing something. At least the people that's going to ever like our customer base, they all know these are the guys that have routines, these are the guys that that take care of themselves, these are the guys that that I'm speaking to, these are the guys that I want basically as a Tiege Hanley, you know, customer. I also want the guys, though, that are just, you know, new to skincare or that have never done anything that would really benefit from an anti-aging serum and a little exfoliation once in a while. And so, you know, my dad, you know, I've got guys that, you know, follow me that are in their 70s that are just now starting to take care of themselves, because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter who you are, because I'm a firm believer, and the reason why I really started YouTube and my whole message was just about confidence. And however you get there, whether or not it's shaving your ass or it's wearing a moisturizer or fixing your hair or dressing well, it's just about feeling good about yourself because a lot of people, this is the thing that is missing. You know, chemists said from day one, we had this great chemist that we worked with. He said, Hey, what are your favorite, you know, products? And let's extract the best ingredients out of your favorite. Let's tweak the formulas to make them better. And one of the questions we asked is, can they be all natural? He goes, Well, they can be, but the question you have to ask yourself is, do you want them to be natural or do you want them to be effective? And we said, Well, can we kind of have a blend of both? And he said, Yeah, we can make it as natural as possible with still having the effectiveness of a very powerful, you know, anti- because technology and lipid technology has come a long way. And I've learned more about things from a skincare perspective and lipids and and uh skin barriers than I ever knew that I would. And uh, you know, it's it's amazing.

SPEAKER_05 50:42

You mentioned turning 50. And I saw you were posting about you wanted to get in the best shape you could.

SPEAKER_01 50:48

50 fucked with me really bad. Can I s can I curse on this? Yeah, you curse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It fucked with me.

SPEAKER_05 50:54

As a uh you just thought like I'm old now, I'm gonna be multiple things.

SPEAKER_01 50:58

It was my I felt like my identity changed for some reason. It was very weird. But anyway, back to your question. What were you saying? Yes, I wanted to get in really good shape. But yeah, it was all it was all of it. I'm like, oh my god, like I'm gonna die. And I never thought like I always would joke like a midlife crisis. If you're just doing what you love and this and that, and I'm not gonna have one. Well, all of a sudden I'm staring there, I'm standing there in the portion dealership looking at this 9-11. I'm like, it's happened. I'm gonna buy that portion drive. My wife was out of town and I was bored. I'm like, let me just go look. And did you?

SPEAKER_05 51:33

Yeah. You bought it? Oh, good for you. What other midlife crisis things have you done?

SPEAKER_01 51:38

That was it. Um all the blood work and all the stuff that goes along with, you know, I I I'm I'm I've always been into health, but you know, blood work has always been one of my annual things that I just go do. And this year, it kind of was it was going in the wrong direction. And so it was like, okay, shit. Not only do I want to, you know, lose a little bit of weight, I need to figure out how to not, you know, basically have a stroke in 20 years. And I'm a big believer in if you can look at it, let's look at it. Because if you catch something early, you can deal with it and a lot of times fix it. And so when I was, I guess it was 42, um, I was I was uh paranoid just because I uh I I believe uh the actor Chazwick Bozeman just passed away from Black Panther. He just passed away from colon cancer.

SPEAKER_02 52:22

I'm like, I'm like he had it when he was shooting Black Panther and didn't tell anybody. Correct.

SPEAKER_01 52:27

And um, you know, I believe James Vanderpeek uh really just he passed away from it as well. There's so many people, and and colon cancer is one of those things, it is the easiest thing to basically prevent if you just go and get checked. And so I said to my doctor, I was not quite to that that age.

SPEAKER_05 52:44

Well, you're down there trimming that.

SPEAKER_01 52:46

I'm big into putting a camera in there. I'm an ass man. And so let's be over here.

SPEAKER_02 52:55

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 52:56

Where do you go? So yeah, so I said to my doctor, I'm like, hey, uh, can we just like like is there any reason I I shouldn't go get one? And she's like, no, like if you want to, you might have to pay out of pocket. I'm like, okay, like let's go do that. And so I did, and and I had five precancerous polyps. And so I my wife always tells a story. I'm at chicken head, I come out from the anesthesia walking like Mr. Burns. They open the car door for me and I go, I just saved my own life. She's like, get in the car, let's go get something to eat. It's important.

SPEAKER_05 53:26

Okay, you do have your um elephant m channel. I want to plug that in. Sure. One more time. Anything else you wanted to plug before?

SPEAKER_01 53:32

Um Tish Hanley, man. We're all here.

SPEAKER_05 53:35

Exactly. And uh you like our studios.

SPEAKER_01 53:37

Then I studios beautiful or what? I didn't uh I I I didn't know where all the money went. Now I see. It's it's gorgeous. But no, it's uh it's amazing. Uh T Sh Hanley, um, for you guys out there watching, listening, just uh go check him out. We uh are really working hard to make sure that you look and feel your best. And uh just uh we we do what we can. We're here because of you. We started because of of you, and um, it's something small that you can do that will have a dramatic impact on how you look and how you feel every day, and age gracefully because at the end of the day, it's not necessarily about turning back the clock, but it's about you know looking good for your age. I think we all should uh try to do that.

SPEAKER_02 54:17

I always tell people my goal is to just be the best looking person at my funeral.

SPEAKER_05 54:22

Great squad here. I I'm lucky to have the team working on the show here. So really great people. Was expecting the same from you. Yeah, and uh really good to meet you, dude. All right, guys, Aaron Marino. Yeah, check out his channel, Alpha M, and uh I'm sure we'll have you back, dude. Awesome. All right, good to see you. Bye. Thanks.

SPEAKER_02 54:44

Teege Hanley has changed my life. My skin has been amazing.

SPEAKER_03 54:48

Uh, we're the number one men's skincare routine in America. When I got here, they go, uh, we're just waiting for the podcast guest. We know you're here for pictures.

SPEAKER_05 54:58

You thought you were a model?

SPEAKER_04 54:58

Yeah, you guys, he's glowing. In fact, Ape Burgazzi was like, your skin's awesome. Just like, I look forward to like, oh, I'm washing my face before I go to sleep. I think we haven't had any 40-year-olds on the podcast, and I said I'm 50.

SPEAKER_05 55:10

And everyone goes, What? T Sh Hanley. It's the way we face the day. All right, it's time to welcome in our next guest. Antonio Centeno is joining us. Antonio, I want to bring you in. You know, you have a lot of titles. You have uh, first of all, how I uh first came across Real Men, Real Style. Yep. Your YouTube channel. This is your bread and butter, this is your uh your biggest platform, would you would you say?

SPEAKER_00 55:38

I would say by subscriber side, you know, it's it's one that I've had since 2012, uh, which in internet years makes it almost like a hundred years old. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, you know, 15 years when you realize you've been in an industry and it flies by, and you get a lot of it it's interesting running into people that grew they tell you they grew up watching your content. They were 17. Now this is a 35-year-old man telling you, you know, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05 56:04

You're like, okay, are they still wearing the clothes from when they were 17? I've been watching since I was 17. These don't fit anymore.

SPEAKER_00 56:11

You know, most of them I'm proud to say they look pretty good. So you know, I was just in San Francisco with my wife, and uh we you know ran into a gentleman from Germany. You have another guy. I mean, most of the people that told me they watched my channel actually looked pretty good.

SPEAKER_05 56:23

So I was like, So that you often get stopped, and people will say, Hey man, I watch your stuff.

SPEAKER_00 56:28

Yeah, you know, that's what's really cool, I think, about you know what what we've been able to build up. It but it is a very particular clientele. Like my super fans are 45-year-old men that maybe sometimes have gone through a divorce or a breakup that has caused them to re-look at their image in their presentation. But uh, but these are great guys, you know, and that's I really I think if anything, one thing I love about social media, it's allowed me to amplify a lot of good messages because when people find my content, they come in for the style, maybe how to tie a tie or how to dress a certain way, how to dress for summer or the heat. But what they find is there's a hidden message in there. Not you know, one actually I want men to become better people, and I really espouse core values um and things I picked up when I was in the military or just growing up, uh, and my mom raising me with those type of uh values.

SPEAKER_05 57:16

Yeah, I saw that. I was reading that you are a uh US Marine, yes, veteran. Awesome. That's incredible. Thank you. Yeah, um that must be at the core of most of what you uh do, as you just said. So what is what are those basic values that are fundamental to you?

SPEAKER_00 57:35

Well, uh any Marine out there or anyone in the Navy, they could spout these off, but honor, courage, and commitment, those are the three that uh the military, you know, that those groups push in. But the Army has their own, very similar Air Force, Coasties. Um, but I think anyone growing up, maybe, you know, uh in a household that uh maybe is deeply religious, maybe one that, hey, this is just what we stand for, and they've got their own. But uh for me, I always love those three. And you need to define, because I can say the word honor, but what does what does the word mean? I always try to take, I think it was there was a great movie back in the 90s, Rob Roy. You ever Rob Roy. Uh uh. No, I'm not sure. Rob Roy saw, yeah. Oh, there it's it's a great worth rewatch, uh, great villain. But uh he talks about honor is the gift a man gives himself. And it's you know, simply uh he it's his code that he lives by. And he doesn't go into too much more than that, but I think a lot of men out there, we live in a world in which it seems like uh there are people that are just not living by a code or swaying one way or another. So when you meet and you're able to develop that for yourself and know it's something that you live by. I that was, I know for me, why I was drawn to the Marine Corps. My father had been in the army, uh, my stepdad had been in the navy, my grandfather was a merchant marine. But my brother, uh older brother, he was an enlisted Marine and he was in the Persian Gulf War. And I always liked you know, from the uniforms to simply uh the Marine Corps focus in on uh their values and more on the individual and the warrior, less so much on the tech. I mean the Air Force is great that way. The uh the Navy definitely, they've got a system in place. The Army, that that is that is a military unit. The Marine Corps is a religion, and anyone that joins the Marine Corps, I think uh you get kind of wrapped into it. It's a it was a fun, uh fun ride. I went in the officer route, so I did OCS and then I became an officer. But I I knew pretty early.

SPEAKER_05 59:29

So what does that mean? You you went to officer training?

SPEAKER_00 59:32

Officer training. So OCS allows you to skip, like you hear about people going to the academies. Naval Academy, that's where all most Marines would go through. Um and then they they branch them off. You know, you either go to the Navy or you go to the men's department, that's the Marine Corps. So when I went, I decided to call the men's department? That's what they call it. Yeah, what they call it.

SPEAKER_02 59:49

Yeah, my father was a Marine. So he'd always say that. Yeah, yeah. Like the the branches of the Navy and the Marines were yeah, I was in the men's division. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:58

Well, the you know, the department of you know defense and then you know the the name. Yeah, it's just an inner inner joke. But that's one thing I loved about the services is you know, we we uh it's like a it's like brothers, especially for men maybe that didn't grow up with brothers. These are guys that you go through. I'm only you know, I don't know what I can say on this, but it's a pretty shitty uh experience, a lot of it. Uh that being Southern California, uh that was where I was uh based out of most Pendleton. But uh we were deployed to Iraq. Yep, Hollywood Marines. And uh so you know, even the marine in the Marine Corps, you make fun of each other. But I think the the shared experience, whether you were in the Marine Corps or the Army or the Navy or the Air Force, is being away from people that you love, putting yourself in danger, trying to stand up for something that again you get in this not because it's gonna pay you money. In fact, one of the tragedies I think of the U.S. military is entry-level enlisted. They are a lot of these guys are I mean, they basically could qualify for food stamps based off of how much they earn.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:58

So it's are people talking about that? Is there are there bills being pushed around that are like, hey, we need to increase the pay?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:03

Aaron Powell No, because you know, uh we're too busy uh starting wars that we probably don't need to be into and spending money you know needlessly in areas like that. You know, oh you've seen that too? Oh yeah, yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:14

Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that because I'm sure you stay very connected. Once a marine, always a marine.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:19

Aaron Powell To a degree. You know, and being outside of it, you have a different view. And even in the Marine Corps, there are there's you know many supporters, I think, of both sides. Uh but I think that uh one thing about active duty military is they really don't talk about that because they realize, hey, that's what we signed up for. I didn't sign up to get paid well. I signed up to you know, uh you had this idealistic uh belief and then you get in there and you see the reality. But what keeps you around is you know the the companionship, the the brotherhood or the relationships you have with the men and women that you served with. At the time when I was in back in the late 90s, early 2000s, uh the Marine Corps was pretty much combat arms were were mostly men. And uh I was with Third Battalion First Marines out of Pendleton. So specifically, it was an infantry unit. Um and yeah, got deployed uh a couple times. Um, and then I stayed in for five years because I was stop loss for the uh the war in Iraq.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:15

Oh wow. All right, this is a random question. We're gonna just kind of take a turn. While you were enlisted, while you were serving, did you any comics come to your base? Any entertainers?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:26

None that I remember. You know, have you entertained the troops, Dwayne?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:31

No, I never did that.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:32

But the USO has a long history of like flying people over. It was oftentimes and one of the things you just for security and you know, it's so as an officer, one of the the things there was a guy named uh Simon Seneca who wrote a book about this, uh officers eat last, but this was the thing. It was always if you have tickets to an event like that, you do not take that as an officer. You uh sit back, you let the enlisted men. And that's one thing I loved about the Marine Corps is that everything was about supporting the 18 to 19 to 20-year-old, because that's how old these young men are that are at the tip of the spear. These are the guys that are on the ground making decisions which could end up on the news. And the job of a pilot, the job of an officer is to support uh the you know, that young Marine who's there having to make the tough decision on the ground and uh and yeah, lead the way. So that's one thing I loved about it. I took I did take a overall a good impression. I definitely would like to see Marines get and sailors and you know anyone get paid more in the service, but the reality is I think uh they realize their job is to fight and win wars and not you know to be asking for more pay.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:42

Yeah, but certain things that veterans have regardless. No veterans should be homeless, uh, hungry, and that's none of them.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:50

And that's I think the distinction is that veterans, now that we're out, we can say things, we can advocate, um, and that we should be able to, you know, call BS when we see, hey, there should be better like take care of those guys. When you're in, you're under the Code of Unif Uniform Code of Military Justice. So you have a legal system that applies to you that doesn't apply to the average civilian. Because you can if you say something that's disparaging about a higher-up officer, I can go to the brig for that, I can go to jail for that. But no, you know, the uh the Navy is uh pretty good. And personally, I mean, hopefully my wife doesn't watch this, but I will say when you put on that uniform, uh you can take an average guy. I always view to myself, you know, like I'm a six, maybe, you know, I was decent shape, maybe at the height, maybe a six point five. But you put on a Marine Corps uniform, like they're just falling from the sky. It was it was like shooting fish in a barrel. And I don't know what it was, but uh all of a sudden you feel like a 10. Oh and you may not be a 10, but you have the confidence of a 10. And you usually have other guys in the same uniform around you. I remember one guy, and nobody knows what the medals or what they stand for. This guy was he had it Lavodi. He had jumped out of uh yeah, he had the the nice uh basically he had jump wings, but he had convinced a girl, which I think he married her, uh, that he was an astronaut. Yeah, it's just like you and uh oh boy. Yes, yes, but uh things that happen in Montana stay in Montana, so we'll we'll just but yeah, Montana has a reserve unit that is uh uh recon.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:21

So he was able to uh yeah in Montana, they're falling for anything. You know, I'm an athletic.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:27

I think he married her. Yeah, yeah. I th I think she knows now.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:30

I was gonna say, at what point did he break it to her? Yeah, I gotta be honest with you. That's a good one yet. So he just disappears.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:37

I knew a guy who used to tell girls he uh trained penguins at the zoo. Somebody's gonna do that. That used to be popular. And that used to work? Yeah. Girls would be like, Aww. Really? Yeah. So this does inform and drive everything that you do once you're in the military, once you're a Marine. So how do you apply it to what you're doing now?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:59

So Talking about uniforms and dressing in a certain manner, that was what I noticed in the Marine Corps is that when I wore my uniform, which was tailored, which was custom built to me, uh the Marine Corps had we had that. We have a X called the Marine Shop in Quantico, Virginia, and that right there opened up.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:16

That's for the guys that don't really want to fight but can sew.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:19

No, you know, it they they have We have a place for you. Come on over here. It's civilian owned. But uh but yeah, there you basically dress in you and I saw that power in the in the military. So I'm like, yeah, why when I went to business school at Texas, I just noticed that most of the people do not dress well. And I got into custom clothing. It was just something that I'd ordered some custom clothing for me. Not that I have a body type that needs it. I think if you're you know, if you're six foot six, a thinner guy, you're gonna need a custom suit. But if you're five foot, you know, nine like me, about average height, average build, you can get away with off-the-rack clothing. But if you travel over to Hong Kong, if you've been over to Thailand, you've probably seen what you can get made for you and pennies on the dollar. Uh and so once you get that taste of hey, I can get any fabric. I can have any. So that was, and this is back in 2000, you know, just you know, 2000s when I started seeing this. So when I went to business school, I had a custom suit made for me. And I loved it, made me feel more confident. And in the back of my mind, I knew I probably wanted to start a business like that. And that was the first business I started in 2007, was an online custom clothier. Oh wow. That didn't work out. I realized I probably needed to own the factory. There were too much logistics going on. It was it was a tough business to try to.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:39

What were you selling online?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:40

Custom suits. So you would enter your measurements and we would build a suit to you. But what I discovered is that not only are there like a thousand things that could go wrong that sometimes do, uh, but also um uh, you know, your definition of good fit. You're talking about, you know, you your jeans here, you know, a friend of mine with, you know, you got thinner, you know, well, closer fit jeans. I like closer fit uh denim. Uh but a lot of guys like really loose stuff. So you could make I had twin brothers I made clothing for, and they were about the same weight. Uh did they dress the same? No. Uh uh. One of them liked the clothing a lot closer fitted to his body. The other one did not. Oh. And so they couldn't even like and when you realize that there's all these factors of personal preference and taste that go into clothing. I I I there are businesses now that are doing this that are very successful. But we started this in 2007, and I didn't have the uh, I think drive to stick with it because what I saw was the opportunity was in the content. And that was in about 2008, 2009, I started blogging when blogging was big. Uh that led to uh, you know, me getting on with a website called the Art of Manliness, and we wrote together for years. Uh and then in 2012 I started on YouTube. And this is when YouTube was still relatively new, uh, started putting up our first videos talking about and all that work I had done about building and designing clothing, especially in particular suits and shirts. Um I was able to tr take that knowledge and then translate it into video at an early phase when you know most people couldn't afford uh video editors. My wife was my video editor, so it was pretty rudimentary stuff that we were doing. But it got the job done. And I think that we approached it with enough detail and there wasn't a lot of competition at the time. So that was, I think, where we kind of, you know, just yeah, cut our cut our teeth, and uh we were able to build up the channel, you know. I think 2019, 2020, that was probably the height of I think views, growth, and uh since then, you know, I've now delved into community and a few other places, but we still have the channel, does well. Um, you know, got a few million subs and that kind of thing. Yeah, that's great, man. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:47

How many suits do you have?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:50

Suits probably only about four to five nowadays.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:53

Um the average guy probably has one or two. Maybe, maybe maybe. And what's the most popular color? What what Navy? Navy, everyone should have a navy suit.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:01

Is that what I think Navy is the go-to for most guys? Charcoal gray would be second. Um, it really depends if you're an older guy. I would go navy. I think it's a more youth, but if you're a really young guy, go with charcoal gray. Uh charcoal at a little bit of age. Black, unfortunately, is also a very popular one. And I say that unfortunately because I think it should be reserved for black tie.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:20

Um, that color it used to be, it seemed like. People didn't wear black suits just to be.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:26

But black suits have become a lot more popular. I'm not, you know, I'm happy if a guy just cares about, and and again, this is where I try not to be a fashion guy. I try to be a guy that's focused in on I I look at a lot of these men as their uncut diamonds. They've got experience, they've got a great education. That's Dwayne's favorite movie, Uncut Gems. Yeah, oh man. Yeah. And and so with that is being able to find that diamond in the rough and to be able to help it shine. And the way you help, you know, an uncut gem shine is you help to cut it. And cutting sometimes takes a bit of pressure. You've got to have the right tools for it. And I think the right tool for a lot of men is because they spend all this time in the gym, they spend all this time at work trying to get the experience, uh, sacrificing so much. Well, why shoot yourself in the foot and address in a manner that people judge you as not being as intelligent as you are or not the leader that you are? So that's where I really just like it to and it, you know, in and fashion can be really confusing. It can really turn a lot of guys off because they ask, really, does it matter? But I think if you have a classic style and you understand it, you can spend a little bit of money, you can spend a little bit of time, do it once, and then you're good.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:37

Do you do personal uh stuff as well? Work with an individual.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:41

I try to build a I try to do it more by scale. I we always have people that reach out to us, and I find that it's better because of just my limitations. I've got five kids, a wife I like to spend time with, um, all these other business ideas that that we're always. How old are your kids? My son's 21, and my youngest just turned four. So one boy, four girls, and oh man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:03

Good for you, man. Yeah, you got your hands full.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:05

Yep, yep. And we've got our nephews that came over from Ukraine. So I've got those two boys. They helped to bring a little bit of testosterone in the house. And uh, so that that was good.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:14

You have family from Ukraine.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:15

Yes, family from Ukraine. They've been living with us since the war started. Um they were in that area that when Russia came down. Uh they were kind of, I don't know, it you know, it's one of those points now in history, but Bucha, um, there was they were some pretty bad stuff that happened. There were about a couple hundred people that were killed. Um just so they're from that town? Uh no, they were one of the villages near it. Really? So they their village got missed. Then the Russians got pushed back. As soon as that happened, they got taken. We we had their uh my nephew's father and my sister-in-law, um, their husband drove them to the border. Men weren't allowed to leave. They said goodbye. They haven't seen their dad for four years. Oh my god. And so uh they've been here living in uh yeah, you know, we live in Wisconsin, and uh, you know, the town, the village that we brought them to, small town Wittenberg, where we lived for a while, um, opened, you know, was was very you know accommodating and we had room in our house. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:10

How do they dress?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:12

You know, they they have their traditional garb, they use color a lot more, I think, than you know, the average American, I think we are a little bit more. I'm black and gray and the navy, that's really it.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:24

I think it depends on which Americans. True. You know what I mean? Yeah. Black folks.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:28

You know, they they bring in a lot of color. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:30

I was talking recently about just uh summer apparel. That's where I struggle. Like the shorts and the shoes matching up, like you don't wear shorts. I do. No, I wear shorts, but I just don't have like I never know what shoes to wear, and I never like I always just punt it. Like every winter I'm wearing the same winter coat. I'm like, I need a new winter coat, and then I'm like, hey, got through another winter.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:49

Get a simple pair of suede loafers. Which kind? A simple pair of suede loafers, some maybe similar to what I've got right here. But uh this you can dress up, you can dress it down, uh go with no-show socks, you pair uh a pair of chino shorts.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:04

So you you would wear those with shorts.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:06

Yeah, chino shorts. I could wear these with performance shorts.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:09

So much of what I do is informed by my upbringing on the South Side. And uh, so everything I put on, I think of okay, how can this be made fun of? Who's gonna who's gonna talk trash about this? Yeah. So I don't know if I could get to the loafers with shorts. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:25

Well, it sounds like you just gotta get over that. I might have issues. Nobody I hate to say it, man, but nobody's looking at you.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:31

Like that's the biggest thing. No one cares.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:35

At your own funeral.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:40

There was a guy I was just listening to. He's talking about like at your own funeral, like they're gonna talk about you for a couple minutes and then it's on to other things. What are they doing the rest of the day? And I mean, I've been it's where's the luncheon? Exactly. Right. You know, did you see what the corpse had on? Yeah, no one's no one's gonna care. So you might as well just wear whatever you want. But seriously, with your build, you know, you could go with you know, a simple t-shirt, chino shorts, and even like white sneakers. What you have here will work great. I would, you know, go for the you know, no-show socks, not the highest.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:13

These are all white gym shoes. I have a pair. Yeah, and I wore them last year. And I wore them all over the country, right? I wore them in my neighborhood. A buddy came up to me and goes and he goes, I'm gonna step under your fucking shoes. So fucking white. I'm gonna scuff those up. I mean, honestly, come to my neighborhood. You should open a shop there. You can help all of us. It does ring true about it when you put something on, when you dress up, you feel better, your head's up, you're ready to take stuff on. It doesn't matter. Yeah. And it's kind of like from the military experience I'm sure you had, you probably make your bed every day. Okay, we're gonna end on a high note. Higher note. Just leave us with some fashion advice, some some must-haves. I know we talked about you, you gotta everyone's gotta have a nice pair of shoes.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:04

You gotta have Well, what I mean, I like it that one thing I love about social media or just online in general is that there are so many places you can go and just find a look that you're impressed by. I think so many men just simply, you know, save that, you know, snap it right there onto their phone, save it, and then rebuild that outfit. Because nobody is going to say, ah, you know, you stole that look, you know, from that particular person. They're gonna be like, no, no, no, you know, Idris Elba, yeah, he made it look good, but on you, people are just gonna be damn, you look good. So dress it in a manner that you know you can show the world that you will, you know, we started with this uncut diamond. You know, and when you shine up that diamond, when it's cut in a particular way, all of a sudden the world can see its brilliance. And uh, you know, it also covers up for a lot of stuff, other stuff too.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:53

So people that are dressed up stand out more than ever now. When you look good and you look like you actually, you know, because it is a casual world, yeah, and it is a roll out of bed world. And I do it all the time, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:04

And you work from home more often, so if you're only in the office one day, two days out of the week, you have no excuse. I mean, just dress well. You know, for me, I'm pretty conservative. It's very simple look, but even that stands out in today's casual age.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:18

Yes, it does stand out. Your YouTube channel also stands out, and I want to mention it again real men, real style style.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:25

All right, man. I I want everyone to check this out. You got some great content on there. And Antonio, it's great to meet you. You just seem like a tremendous dude, a good man, great American. You've given a lot to us being a Marine. I love to uh love to talking with you and just uh, thank you for meeting.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:43

Dwayne, thank you.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:44

Anything else you want to plug while you're uh in town here from Wassaw? No, no, I'm gonna do that. You got any plans, and what are you gonna do in Chicago while you're here?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:52

I'm hanging out with some of the guys at Tiege Hanley, which I know they make this show you know available to us, and I have used Tiege Hanley for quite a quite a long time. That's why you know people look at me and they're I'm saying I'm I'm 50. They're like, man, you look like you're 49. I'm like, T Shannley. But but uh fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:08

That was a good one.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:09

Good stuff, man. All right, guys, there you have it. Antonio Centeno and uh Dwayne Kennedy. Good being with you guys. Dwayne, do you have anything coming up?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:18

Um I'm at the Lath Factory this Saturday and Sunday. Celebrate America with Dwayne Kennedy. Yeah. I'll be throwing M80s at the audience.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:27

Celebrate the 4th of July with the Kennedy! Dwayne Kennedy. Love you, man. Happy birthday again.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:38

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