Spit, Suspensions, and What Crosses the Line in the NFL

From Pittsburgh to pure chaos across the NFL, this episode of The Inner Circle is a ride.

We open with Aaron Donald going home: Pitt rolls out the red carpet, his jersey hits the rafters, he jumps on College GameDay, and yes… the shirt comes off. AD gets real about being overlooked in high school — only three offers, Pitt, Toledo and Akron — and what it felt like seeing that banner drop: “I never dreamed that big… it all came from just working my ass off.”

Then we pivot hard to the moment lighting up the league: Jamar Chase spitting at Jalen Ramsey. The crew doesn’t sugarcoat it. “You don’t spit on anybody,” and “that’s the ultimate disrespect,” AD says, while Todd breaks down how a one-game suspension plus per-game active bonuses turns that loogie into hundreds of thousands of dollars lost.

Matt and AD take listeners onto the field with a brutally honest grass vs. turf debate, reacting to the futuristic hybrid surface in Madrid and explaining why Mondays hurt a lot more after turf games.

We hit Lane Johnson’s injury and what losing an elite right tackle really does to an offense. Matt ranks O-line positions, explains why tackles are king, and how game plans quietly shift to protect a weak link.

Plus: Shador Sanders’ zero reps with the ones, why that’s actually normal in today’s NFL, the accountability message behind benching CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens, AD’s “I’ll tell you when you’re bad and when you’re good” apology to the Dallas defense, and his Defensive Player of the Week love — including an ode to Rams punter Ethan Evans as a secret weapon.

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Transcript

Zach Klein (00:00)
Hey, how we doing everybody? Zach Klein here on the Inner Circle Podcast. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. Please like, subscribe, tell a friend. We appreciate your time. A great episode for you today. AD with some very strong opinions on what went down between Jamar Chase and Jalen Ramsey. ⁓ Matt dives into the Philadelphia Eagles losing their all everything right tackle Lane Johnson, how that affects the team. And he actually will rank the importance of all the positions on the offensive line for you.

Todd dives into the contract situation with the fines and the possible appeals. But we begin with our man, our legend, Aaron Donald, being honored, recognized at his alma mater, Pittsburgh, going on ESPN's College Game Day, taking off his shirt. And he also lets us know that he was only recruited, had offers from just three schools. What are those schools? Hope you enjoy this episode of the Inner Circle Podcast.

T$ (00:49)
you want to what we were going to do for you today? Matt, Zach and I, come on guys, let's go. I'm just kidding. Zach, don't do it. Don't do it. No. Yeah, no. I mean, our workouts are good, but we don't need to do

AD (00:52)
What was that?

Matt Ryan (00:56)
Yeah, I don't think so. Nobody needs that. Nobody needs that.

Zach Klein (00:57)
Good night.

You look good, AD. Let me walk us through, man. You're having fun styling, profiling the shades on. This is at the end. What was it like?

AD (01:07)
and

It was good, man. Had some fun. Obviously, be up there with college game day and talking ball, having some fun with Pat. I enjoyed it, man. It was a special day for me and even better to be able to be a part of the show, ⁓ Flex a little bit, show the body, and have some fun, man. We had a lot of fun doing this. Look at it.

T$ (01:28)
Dude.

Matt Ryan (01:28)
Hey, was this pre-planned?

Did you guys talk about this before or was a pure reaction when you saw it?

AD (01:31)
So

he told me he was gonna take his shirt off and I was like, hey, shit, I'm always down to take my shirt off. don't tip me with a good time. But I did tell him if he would've picked Notre Dame, I was gonna throw his ass off the stage. And I thought it was gonna go, and then I said, That's my guy, man. We had fun, man. It was all fun. A lot of love for them guys. Definitely Pittsburgh guy himself. So even though he went to West V, he's still my guy, man. So we had some fun.

T$ (01:37)
Hahaha

AD (01:59)
Yeah, it's a lot of fun, man.

Zach Klein (01:59)
I love Saban's

reaction. Saban was like, you he was all fired up. Did you get the chance to talk to coach at all?

AD (02:03)
And I was, that

was my first time meeting Coach Saban, man. So I was like, I'm honored to meet you. It was super dope to meet him, man. Obviously I knew a couple of the guys already up there, but I think Pit pulled, they definitely rolled the red carpet out for me, man. Showed a lot of love. I felt all the love in the building as soon as I walked in, man. It was a special day, obviously, my family, my friends, my loved ones being there, getting to spend that, experience stuff with my kids.

I ain't think I was gonna get emotional, but once I seen that banner fall, man, I start watering a little bit. But just took it all in, man. Just obviously thinking about the journey to get to that, right? So it was special. It was for sure special, man. I enjoyed every moment of it. Even though it was overwhelming, it was a lot going this way, that way, but I enjoyed it. I definitely did, man. The Pitt did it the right way for me, man. So I appreciate them.

T$ (02:49)
you were coming out of high school and you obviously picked Pitt, and I know you were from there, but were you considering anywhere else? Was that all you had? Like, and what made you choose Pitt at the time?

AD (02:58)
So the only offers I had was Pitt, Toledo, and Acre. So the reason why a lot of schools didn't want me because they said I wasn't the biggest guy. They didn't think I was going to be able to transition what I did in high school to the college level because of my size. But it take one school to give you an opportunity. Pitt was that school for me, man. And I took it and ran with it, right? And the rest was history.

Matt Ryan (03:20)
What would your, I always think this like on nights like that where it's really like a lifetime achievement award when your Jersey goes into the rafters, you know, at like 14 or 15, you know, and the vision that you have for your life, what would your 14 or 15 year old self said as you see that kind of going up in there ⁓ next to like a Dan Marino or Tony Dorsett and some of the legends that are there.

AD (03:43)
And the crazy thing, Dan Marino called me later that day, early that morning to congratulate me. So I'm like, this is dope. But I never dreamed that big, bro. think I had dreams and aspirations to do some cool stuff and accomplish some great things. Obviously trying to be an All-American, but I never dreamed like I want to go to college, dominate the game and get my jersey retired. I wasn't on my bucket list to do, but on the verge of just working my ass off and you know.

being consistent and doing what I need to do to just become a top tier guy, man. Hard work, a lot of hard work and it just paid off big for me, man. Because there was a lot of doubters, a lot of people saying, I don't think you can do this because you ain't the biggest guy. I don't think this, from high school to college, even my transition to get to the pros, the same type of stuff. to see everything come full circle, man, and to be done with the game and still reaping the benefits of what I did years ago, one hell of a feeling, man. It really is.

It really is.

T$ (04:31)
can tell you this, you guys, recruiting Aaron Donald out of college, and I know I've mentioned it before, he is the exact same guy today, except he's just a little more talkative. He laughs, every time I get done talking to him, I'm like, I think I should do standup. I literally think I can do it. I know I can do it. See, here he is laughing. He always is laughing. He always makes me feel good. Always does.

Zach Klein (04:42)
Yeah

Matt Ryan (04:50)
makes you feel good about yourself.

T$ (04:53)
I actually went and saw Nate Bragazzi the other day. I don't if you guys are familiar with him, but the comedian. It was at State Farm. He was unbelievable. I was like, I can compete with him. Based on Aaron Donald's reactions, we, no, I can. If I talk to Aaron. No, that's fine. That's fair. Thanks. Yeah. You actually do make me feel shitty working out, know, ripping me on, no, but AD is literally the same person. I think that's tremendous that it speaks to his character because

Matt Ryan (04:57)
Yeah.

AD (05:02)
You

Matt Ryan (05:02)
Yeah, you can't. I'm gonna

be your other friend here. I'm gonna be the guy who makes you feel shitty about yourself most of the time, right? AD can serve that role, I'll serve the other. Bring you back down to earth. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

AD (05:12)
You

T$ (05:20)
There's a lot of guys that have had a lot of success and make tons of money and a lot of fame and they change. He has been the exact same person and you would not know that he has achieved what he's achieved. so like watching that go down and just seeing you there and it's awesome from my standpoint, just from me being involved with your life as obviously a friend, but also from a business standpoint. I mean, I literally remember walking out of your apartment and you were wearing flip-flops with socks, you know, and walking down the elevator and you're walking me out.

AD (05:37)
appreciate that.

You

Matt Ryan (05:47)
Fashion faux

pas, man, fashion faux pas.

T$ (05:49)
Oh, was

about like sat in a...

AD (05:52)
And that hot ass with them hot ass lights beaming on you.

T$ (05:55)
I sat in his apartment and like, you know how when you were in an apartment, you have those like the little kitchen that has a little miniature bar with like two stools. That was like facing the kitchen. Well, I turned that around because that was where the den was, where like the family and everyone was. And above it was like those spotlights. And it was like beaming on me and it was so hot. And when I talk, I get passionate and I'm doing this thing. Of course, I'm telling jokes, AD's laughing. I think I'm killing it.

AD (05:57)
a little ass apartment.

Hot,

You

T$ (06:21)
But we're doing this whole thing, yes. And I remember walking out with Aaron down the hallway and then down the elevator, I was like, I felt like I was on a spotlight. I felt like I was on trial in there. Everyone was looking at me, but it went great. And obviously watching his whole career has been unbelievable. But seeing you recognized for it is awesome. it's just, it's amazing to see and it's so well-deserved. And I love the fact that you are just the exact same person as you always have been.

Zach Klein (06:21)
Yeah.

AD (06:27)
Yeah.

Zach Klein (06:39)
for sure.

AD (06:42)
I appreciate that, man. I appreciate that. I appreciate it.

Matt Ryan (06:43)
No doubt. AD, I got,

I was gonna say, so not only a great day for you and the family to see it, you know, go into the rafters, you were really good on game day. And so I'm curious, like, yeah, you did, you were great on there, very natural, had fun with it. And I thought, you know, did an excellent job in that spot. I'm curious, does it give you any itch? Does it give you any itch to maybe do some of that?

AD (06:54)
Yeah, have some fun.

Matt Ryan (07:06)
that work, you know, we've got this podcast going, but do any of that work in the media space? Because I think he'd be very good.

AD (07:12)
If you would have asked me that three to four years ago, would have said hell no. But obviously, I've been thinking about it obviously, Todd know this, having some conversations, but doing college game day and being up there, I was like, I think I got a little itch to do this. I think I can see it. I look good on TV. This face is made for TV, man. It's made for TV, man. So, I,

Matt Ryan (07:27)
Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 90 % visual. It's a

Zach Klein (07:27)
Yeah, that is. Amen.

T$ (07:28)
You

Matt Ryan (07:31)
90 % visual medium.

AD (07:33)
So if the right opportunity

Zach Klein (07:33)
But it.

AD (07:34)
come, if it presents itself for sure, I'm open to it. know, 2026, we got a lot of big things coming. So hopefully, man, you might see me. You never know. We're gonna

Zach Klein (07:42)
close are you to swearing? Is that the hardest part of this potential TV gig?

AD (07:45)
Nah, I wasn't gonna swear. It's different on the part, because we in my own, I'm in my own, you know, it's different.

Matt Ryan (07:47)
was gonna say though, on game day, I see

all these guys, all these guys swearing.

Zach Klein (07:52)
You ever come close on CBS, Matt? Because that's different.

Matt Ryan (07:55)
I don't think that works on our end. I'm pretty professional when it comes to the language we have on there. And we still have a ton of fun doing it, but no, never been close to dropping an F-bomb. I think you can...

Zach Klein (07:56)
No.

T$ (08:05)
That's awesome that you're professional on CBS

AD (08:05)
You

T$ (08:07)
but you're not professional on this. Great. Appreciate that. That's awesome. Good. It's the really... For sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Zach Klein (08:09)
Yeah. ⁓

Matt Ryan (08:10)
Well, I feel like I'm pretty professional. It's a different venue. It's a different venue.

AD (08:11)
This is casual. Yeah, you good.

Zach Klein (08:14)
Different vibe.

Matt Ryan (08:15)
Everybody that's a fan of the NFL has heard me drop an F-bomb before with all of the mic'd up stuff that we've had. So it wouldn't be the first time. I am very professional when it's time to do it on CBS and have so much respect for everybody there that I wouldn't do that. But I think, I think the world has changed so much in that space, though, too.

AD (08:22)
You

Zach Klein (08:22)
That's true.

Matt Ryan (08:35)
you can get away with a lot more now than you could 10 years ago. And I think there's, you know, a handful of things that just can't come out of your mouth and

AD (08:39)
Yeah.

It

depends what you say, right? It depends what you say. can't be on that motherfucker say a fuck bitch shit like that. That's a no no. They can't do that. No, you know.

Matt Ryan (08:45)
Right.

You can't do that. You can't do exactly what you just, yeah, you can't do

that. That's right. That's right.

Zach Klein (08:52)
That's why you will

always have a home here on the Inner Circle Podcast AD, because you can see that shit right here. All right. So stay with the fam. There you go. It is. ⁓ would circle of trust, circle of trust. You would think, gentlemen, that the football field would also be a safe haven. It's physical. You guys talk your shit. You have fun. But I think we all have agreed that when you spit in another man's face, you cross that line. So Bengals wide receiver Jamar Chase, man, suspended a game for spitting in Jalen Ramsey's face.

AD (08:55)
There you go, there you go. This is my safe place, my safe place.

T$ (09:00)
Yes, you're in the trust, the circle of trust, the trust tree, here we go.

Zach Klein (09:20)
⁓ This is Ramsey after the game. already nominating this for the short post-game sound bite of the year. This is it, short to the point, Jalen Ramsey. Here we go.

AD (09:36)
That's That's my dog.

Zach Klein (09:36)
Respectfully.

AD (09:37)
my dog. That's my dog. No, but I feel him. You're like, think there's a line before like football, talking shit, you know, bumping, being physical. That's normal. You crossed the line. He didn't just spit. It was like a loogie. It was like, that's that. That's the ultimate disrespect. That's like, I understand as a, you you'd be like, I'm a leader. You expect your guys to do things a certain type of way, but you know.

person's speed on anybody. I don't care about none of that. It's a respect factor. I think he did good. Cause if it was me, that guy spit on like that, I don't know how y'all could be able to get me off his neck. I would have been choking his ass. You know what I'm saying? Cause that's the ultimate disrespect, man. So I'm all for the talking shit, the bumping after the play, all that. That's football, but you turn and just lose. I can't get with that, man. At all. At all.

Matt Ryan (10:22)
No, I mean, there's just

no place for it. There really isn't. you know, I'm with AD, I think there are justified reactions to things like that. And, you know, you saw the one game suspension immediately come that precedent already set, although we had that discussion early in the year with Jalen

AD (10:25)
at all.

Matt Ryan (10:41)
where that happened prior to the game.

AD (10:41)
But it wasn't it

wasn't a, it wasn't a loogie though. That was, it was like he spit at the ground. feel like that was a, and that shit all, hell nah man. Yeah, I'm with you.

Matt Ryan (10:44)
Yeah, no.

I just think any, I think they are coming

T$ (10:49)
I hope the sound effects are coming out. Those are great.

Matt Ryan (10:52)
through. Todd, you're a sound effect guy. Go ahead. You did the horses galloping. could do, okay. These are a little hawk to a, huh? Okay. All right. Yeah.

T$ (10:55)
⁓ just because I did the horses that one time. Yeah.

I can't do the spitting

⁓ sound effect. I'll leave that to AD. He seems to be covering it really well.

Matt Ryan (11:04)
That's right.

There's no place for it though. And I think the league is clear about it. We're recording this on Tuesday. I know he'll probably appeal the suspension, but that one is not going anywhere.

AD (11:05)
Yeah, not at all.

Zach Klein (11:14)
Why do you peel that though?

AD (11:14)
Y'all bust,

I was just about to ask Ty, what you gonna appeal? What you gonna give back for that? Videos there.

T$ (11:19)
You know, I

don't want to speak for him or their team or whatever, but I understand, you know, there's always two sides to the story. And the video might show one thing, but, and I'm not justifying anything, obviously, but, you know, who knows what their angle is going to be or what they'll say. But obviously they feel, it could be they feel the amount is wrong. They could feel that why it happened is wrong. You just don't know what their angle is going to be. But, you know, clearly they want to attempt to do something to change it. So I'm not real sure of all the specifics.

Zach Klein (11:46)
Well, specifically, he's lost a game check if it does go through $448,000 and change and a $58,823 per game active bonus that is now forfeiting. I mean, I've heard of preseason bonuses, workout bonuses, touchdown bonuses, Todd, but what's a per game active bonus?

AD (11:56)
Mm.

T$ (12:04)
Yeah, so it's just another mechanism that these teams try to put in the contract. as an agent, mean, ideally you prefer your salary to be in your, I mean, your money to all be in your salary because you're going to get it whether you're playing or whether you're hurt or not. But teams will carve out a portion, let's just say for even math, know, $50,000 a game, you know, times whatever it is X amount, you have a $500,000 in per game active roster bonuses, which means playing. So if he hurt his hamstring and missed three games,

You're losing out on 50 times three games, you're losing out on $150,000. It's just another way for a team to not automatically give you that money. But yet, when they sell the package to the agent, or they sell the package to the player, and then in turn it's sold to the media, it looks like a bigger number. But those dollars are truly at risk, not for just this situation, but they're at risk for an ankle sprain. They're at risk for a hammy. They're at risk for your wife's giving birth, and you can't be there for the game. You're going to lose money.

teams would rather have that extra layer of protection as opposed to all in your salary where you automatically get it. So it's something we try to fight as an agent, sometimes, depending on different contracts and agents and philosophies and situations, they're in there. But that's how they are.

Zach Klein (13:15)
don't know you guys saw the game in Madrid, Spain, ⁓ between the Dolphins and commanders. It was played and we're showing video right now on YouTube. So if you're listening on the audio version, please check us out on YouTube and always like and subscribe and tell your friends. ⁓ know, this is the same field. Yeah. Killing Mbappe and Real Madrid use. ⁓ But the difference between this and what the NFL guys, they made it to withstand obviously the big bodies in the national football league. It's a hybrid ryegrass surface and it's stored underneath, under the stadium ground.

T$ (13:27)
This is incredible.

Zach Klein (13:43)
And when it goes underneath, they got UV growth lights, it's humidity temperature controlled. I'm going to fast forward to the end of the video and you can see guys underneath what it looks like. So there's the infrared underneath the stadium. Obviously it costs a shitload of money. I don't know how much it costs, but for Matt and AD.

AD (13:58)
You're about to say how

much?

Zach Klein (14:00)
to you guys.

T$ (14:00)
I can't tell you what it cost to

put turf in the backyard of your house. can't imagine what that's, what that is. Probably pretty expensive.

Zach Klein (14:03)
Yeah.

Did you guys feel a difference on Mondays after playing on Sundays on grass versus turf?

AD (14:12)
it 100%. I will say this, when I came in the league young, I used to love playing on turf, because I felt like I ran faster. That was when I was younger though. And all the older guys used be like, damn, my knees hurt. I'm like, man, we all old as hell. As I got older in the league and I started playing on that damn turf and repaired to the grass the day after the game, like if I play on turf, my knees gonna be hurting after the game, my toes, my whole body just feel beat up. So as I got older, I stopped becoming a fan of the turf and was like, I would have loved to play on grass.

Matt Ryan (14:24)
You

AD (14:40)
lot softer surface, better for your body. You still gonna have your aches and pains, but it's just, for me, I had a lot of knee and toe problems. And that turf used to beat my body up to a pulp, man. I know a lot of people dislike the turf and want the grass. I prefer the grass too. I know it's a lot more maintenance and things to take care of it in that space, but I think it's kind of like...

Time to go back to the grass space, man, with this football stuff. I think it'd be a lot better for these guys with injuries as well too,

Matt Ryan (15:08)
I mean, my preference was always grass as well. And I think, you know, this isn't science backed or anything like that, but just, you know, anecdotal that I felt better after I played on grass. And I think, AD, it's even to the point, like, I used to remember, forget even playing, but like you'd be standing there in the preseason games, not playing. And when you were on turf, it was amazing how sore you would get just standing there watching the games on the turf, right? 100%.

AD (15:19)
Yes.

Man, what? I felt more sore standing there than playing.

Matt Ryan (15:34)
I always felt worse in pre-season games, standing there on the turf, just watching than I did actually playing. At least when you're flying around, you got adrenaline and all of that stuff going. for sure, do feel like, and maybe it's a placebo, maybe it's not, I don't know. I'd have to see the science and the numbers on all of that stuff. But I certainly felt better the day after games when I played on grass.

AD (15:36)
What? Yes.

Yes.

I'm there.

Zach Klein (15:56)
Philly guy, did

ever go to the old vet and see the Astro Turf they had there? I mean, was like...

Matt Ryan (15:58)
Yeah, yeah, I played on that. played.

So I played in a thing called the Carpenter Cup in high school, which is like an all star baseball series that they have. There's like a Catholic League, public league, and then the Interact League, which I played in. And they have kind of a round robin tournament that like the all stars from each of these leagues play. So I played, I played in the Carpenter Cup at at the vet. It was a great surface to field ground balls off of because it was true. The hops were true. It was fast.

Zach Klein (16:26)
True.

Matt Ryan (16:27)
But there was no bad hops or anything when you were playing the infield. And so played on there. But again, I was like, I was 17, 17 years old, 18 years old at the time. You feel good on anything. Like AB was saying, you're laughing at these old guys who are saying they were sore. I actually, when I first got to Boston College, this is how old I am. BC still had AstroTurf my freshman year at BC. And I remember playing on it. We switched to like the FieldTurf.

AD (16:37)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

to use.

Matt Ryan (16:54)
my second year at BC, but we had AstroTurf my first year and I remember playing in the spring game, my freshman year where it was still AstroTurf. I took off, I was running and I did like the, you know, I slid, I slid on my left leg and I didn't have long socks on. I kid you not, the whole left side of my shin, gone. The skin just like gone, gone. The worst turf burn you've ever seen, still have like patchy like.

AD (17:08)
Mmm.

Grrrr

Matt Ryan (17:19)
white skin underneath the hair on my legs on my left side that never really came back. So that old turf was...

T$ (17:24)
So I'm not wearing

sweats to work out when we work out.

Matt Ryan (17:27)
You know, it's okay. My bad Todd. I'll wear shorts tomorrow. My bad dog. I'm not embarrassed to my legs, you know, but ⁓ Yeah, that turf that old that old old turf was no joke

Zach Klein (17:28)
Yeah.

T$ (17:30)
I'm kidding. I'm kidding. All right. I'm going to check out the scars. All right.

Yeah, that's crazy. ⁓

The field turf versus grass, do you end up more banged up from like what you're talking about, being scratched and bleeding and that type of stuff, one surface versus the other?

Matt Ryan (17:49)
Yeah, I feel like that. AD, I don't know if it happened as much for D Lyman, like I used to have like on my left side, I mean, Zach will probably remember, but like a lot of times mid game, I would go from wearing like the half sleeve to this full sleeve on my left side because you get my elbows would just get torn to pieces on the ⁓ on the field turf. And that just never really happened on grass.

AD (17:51)
Hell yeah.

Zach Klein (18:06)
pellets.

AD (18:09)
Yeah.

Zach Klein (18:09)
Moving on now, and this is a story, non-story, Shador Sanders. Todd, you were at this game, right? You went to the Cleveland Browns Baltimore Ravens game. So you got to see Shador Sanders. I to get your take on that. Not Shador, but just the game in general a little bit. The third quarter, Dylan Gabriel goes down, guys, with a concussion. Shador comes in, thrusts into action, and he goes 4-16 for 47 yards in interception. Got a huge ovation, fired up the

T$ (18:18)
Yes.

Zach Klein (18:33)
But then after the game, Kevin Stefanski confirmed that in the second half, was Shador Sanders' first snaps with the starting offense since he was drafted by the Browns.

and Twitter X, whatever platform you're on, just loses their mind. He's not ready, yada, yada, yada, yada. Matt, can you walk us through a real practice week and how many times is the starting quarterback of an NFL team, a third or fourth stringer, would see the field with the number ones?

Matt Ryan (18:58)
Zero, zero. That's exactly correct. If I was healthy, our backup did not take a rep during the week. I feel like maybe in the past, 15, 20 years ago when practices were a lot longer and there were a lot more reps in practice, maybe that would have been a different scenario. when I was in the NFL, we had longer practices under Mike Smith, but I was a young player.

Zach Klein (18:59)
Big, big ear.

Matt Ryan (19:23)
And so every week that I was available and ready to go, I needed every rep I could get. ⁓ And then, you you develop your routine that way where I'm taking everything because I just need him, I need him, I need him. And then, you know, incrementally, as I played longer and longer in the league, the practice got shorter and the number of reps that you would get got shorter. And so there was there was no chance somebody was.

AD (19:28)
Mm-hmm.

Matt Ryan (19:46)
getting reps if I was playing that week. was just, there was no opportunity for that because practices aren't long enough. So, you know, as, as outraged as people might be, this is, this is common practice across the league. And I think AD, you could probably speak to it of all the practices you watch. That starter is not coming out unless you've got something going on. You're nicked up. You're taking every rep.

AD (19:52)
Yeah, exactly.

For sure, definitely you gotta think, most of the time it's 25, probably 30 something snaps you got to the whole practice. The starters need all them reps. Your backup quarterback is gonna be more likely on the scout team, being a scout team quarterback. That's where he's getting his reps up. But he's throwing to the practice squad players and things, giving the defense a look. He's still getting his work, but he's not gonna be working with the ones and getting no first team snaps because your starter need all them snaps. He's gonna be the one out there playing. You only get so many snaps.

every single practice, was the most important stuff that you need. And get everybody on the same page, because he's to be the one playing the game. And typically, your backup guys, just the scout team quarterback, giving the defense a look. So obviously, from a timing standpoint, and not having an opportunity to work with your starting receiver, from a timing standpoint, where he's throwing it to, and how he's throwing the ball is different than what they used to. it's a process.

Fans in the world don't understand that, but people that's inside that space, that was inside that space and did this understand, that's normal. I know people like, he should have been getting some snaps to just be prepared. But definitely, you talk about Dylan, he's a rookie quarterback and they need every snap he got too. So you can't afford to be trying to split the snaps when you got your guy. So it is what it is. That's just the...

Matt Ryan (21:12)
100%.

I would go so far

as to say too, the only time, the other thing you got to think about in these types of situations, and it's boring, but is like the quarterback center exchange, because every center is a little bit different. Every quarterback's a little bit different. And, you know, we would go so far as, you know, they weren't going to get reps in practice, but every team does it. At the beginning of practice, you do just quarterback center exchange where, you know, you're going through the cadence and you're hearing a play and you're just getting snaps. You're going through.

going on one, going on two, going on hard three, whatever your cadences are. But you're just kind of getting going and you do that. And that was the only time I took snaps with our back. I never did it with our starter ⁓ in practice. It was always with the backup and whoever was going to be our emergency three center. But that was where I got reps of getting snaps with them. So I'm probably sure, Chedir is probably only snaps under center with that guy too, where maybe in a quarterback center exchange if he had that opportunity. But it's interesting to.

Does it make sense? Zach, I'm not sure, but that's the way it is. And that's sort of the way.

AD (22:16)
Yeah, that's it,

Zach Klein (22:16)
It's if you have

four quarterbacks, you have none, right? I think that was the issue going into this season with the Browns.

Matt Ryan (22:20)
Yeah, there you go. There you go.

T$ (22:21)
I have asked. represent

the Brown Center, Ethan Posick. I should have asked him. I didn't even talk to him.

game went but it was fun being there and it's yeah no they did and they played them played them good and it was definitely it was definitely a

Matt Ryan (22:32)
I mean, they had a chance.

AD (22:34)
I think that, yeah they do.

Zach Klein (22:38)
What was the vibe like when Shedeur went in the field? Pretty electric. They love them, don't they?

T$ (22:40)
Actually, I thought someone

scored. I was in the concourse. I think I to the bathroom or on the phone call or something. And then someone had said, there's Shador's Inn. That's why people were going crazy for it. So I mean, you see the signs around and people are excited and the name and all the hype that comes with it. And then the whole PR piece on this, it's so funny from a media standpoint, there's clearly people that have agendas that are the haters.

And then there are clearly the ones that are so pro him. you know, someone tweeted out like, you know, he's never taken a snap. You know, the other person is like, what a joke. Of course he hasn't taken a snap. You know, like you have all the different perspectives, but like protecting him and then bashing him, it's just a very highlighted situation just because of the draft and obviously his last name.

AD (23:05)
Yeah.

Zach Klein (23:20)
It is so.

polarizing to your point out, you see on social media, you know, look at the bad throw he made. That's why he was whatever 416 for 40 something yards and then a few posts later you'll have a breakdown of the offensive line because he didn't have enough time to throw. Thus, that's why he incomplete those pass

T$ (23:37)
No, then

Zach Klein (23:37)
You can make a case that, know, Shador didn't have offensive line help in that game against the Ravens. speaking of the offensive line guys, the Philadelphia Eagles, their stud Lane Johnson, the right tackle. He's might not be back in the regular season. They're hoping he gets back in the playoffs, but he could be headed to injured reserve. You know, Matt, what's, what's the biggest challenge when you have to replace a stud right tackle?

Matt Ryan (23:58)
Well, you know, it's one thing to have to replace, you know, anybody in that spot, but they've already been struggling upfront across the line of scrimmage. Lane's been actually the best part of it, and he has been for a long time. I mean, he's one of the great players in your league. So not only do you have to replace this piece that's really, really strong for you, but you're also, they've been trying to sort it out in these other spots. And so it becomes, you know, increasingly difficult.

AD (24:21)
Yeah, putting them all over the place, know.

Matt Ryan (24:25)
Just from a scheme standpoint, you were having to help on maybe some of these things on the left side and trusting lane on that right side to be on an island and not have to slide protections or use backs to chip. He's so good in the run game as well. So I think it affects the way you game plan. And I think it affects the way defenses are going to attack them. Different pressures coming from that opposite side to try and attack that side of the line. I think you're going to see it more evened out as we get going. I think it's really difficult.

to replace tackles. think on balance, I think it's more difficult to replace guys on the outside than it is to fill a gap at guard center. I just think they're on the island more often. They're one on one more often. You can help guards. You can help the center a little bit easier than you can at that tackle position. So I think it's really difficult to do it. I have so much respect for how Howie does it though.

AD (25:02)
Thanks.

Matt Ryan (25:19)
⁓ in Philadelphia and Todd you can talk about that and in kind of dealing with that organization. I feel like they're always they have plans and Excuse me, but one of the things I think they do a really good job is building depth on both sides of the line of scrimmage on the offensive line on the defensive line So, you know, I don't think you're gonna replace lanes one of the best to ever do it at right tackle So you're not gonna be able to yeah Consistently all pro guy. You're not gonna replace him with one player. They're gonna have to do it with skein

AD (25:39)
He's a pro guy consistently. Yes, correct. Yup.

Matt Ryan (25:46)
They're going to have to do it with helping you know that that that position and I think it's going to be difficult because it's an offense Quite frankly Zach. It's an offense that hasn't been great You know all year and when you lose one of your best players and you haven't been great I think it becomes even more difficult to to kind of get it going

T$ (26:03)
As a quarterback, you mentioned you have to do it with scheme. That's what I was going to ask you. Do you change things up from a game plan standpoint, knowing like, maybe we've got to compensate for the fact that we're not as confident with the guy on the right side who's replacing him and all that stuff? And also, as a quarterback, does it do anything to you from a mindset standpoint? When you're playing, are you kind of like, all right, I've to really pay extra attention to this right side because now this guy's getting beat a lot more? Or do you just kind of count on everyone? And I know you're going to say next man up. It is what it is. But the reality is sometimes that next man up isn't it.

isn't the same guy at the same level as an all pro guy.

Matt Ryan (26:34)
Sure.

I think when the ball is snapped, when you're actually playing the play, when the ball is snapped, you can't overthink that of who's at that spot. You have to trust the 10 other players around you to do their job, regardless of who that is.

AD (26:45)
At least you getting

your damn head knocked off, you gonna start looking, huh?

Matt Ryan (26:50)
I don't think you can. think as a quarterback, have to try every place in new play, right? And you, you have to.

AD (26:54)
You can be, instead of standing,

I'm saying, hut, you getting hit, know lane's not there before, you can sit in the pocket, be comfortable, you getting that ball down and roll into the left.

Matt Ryan (27:03)
can't do my job

if I'm looking at the right tackle, AD. I can't do it.

AD (27:05)
Now look, I'm talking

about just feel reacting, like getting the ball. I'm gonna roll out to the left a little bit and get away from this, because this guy's having some problems and I've been getting my fucking head knocked off all game.

Matt Ryan (27:12)
I think the way you do that is with scheme, right? I think the play calls that come in matter. The way you play, I think is really difficult to adjust just because somebody's out. I think there's a way you have to play the position where you feel pass rush, but your eyes are down the field that can't change regardless of who's in there. But I'll finish my...

AD (27:16)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. See, that's an MVP quarterback though. That's different. He's different. A lot of guys

T$ (27:31)
AD, do you? Go ahead.

AD (27:35)
looking. My bad. I'm let you talk. Go.

Matt Ryan (27:37)
But

the one thing I will say is when you're doing this, your plan has to be incredibly detailed. The level of detail in these type of plans when you have certain guys out has to be on another level. So we'll go as far as we might run slide protections only one way and we'll figure out how to work the passing concepts, the routes around how we're going to protect. We're going to start there. We may have half our game plan that are one way calls, right? So we'll go into this and say,

This is a left hash only call because it puts our right tackle in a position to be successful. This one is only a right hash only call and we're only going to run it this way because we can help on this side. And I've done that and I think most good football teams do that at different times in the season when you have to help guys in certain positions. And so the level of detail during the week has to go through the roof. You have to be prepared to be able to protect them in your whole plan.

AD (28:10)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Matt Ryan (28:31)
has to be filtered around doing that and considering the other side too, right? Of where is our biggest weak link? They might look at it and say, you know what? We like our right tackle. We still feel like we got an issue over there on the left side. So you still have to protect that side. It's going to be interesting to see what they do. But I think your mindset shifts, AD, to everything we tailor our plan around is to protect maybe this one area. But when the ball's snapped, you have to go play football the way you know how.

AD (28:38)
Yeah.

T$ (28:57)
And the opposite is true, right, for you, A.D.? Like, I mean, if you know that they got a weakness because there's a backup playing this week, I mean, are you attacking that? And do you get more fired up than you normally would knowing that Alain Johnson's not there, who might give you a little more difficult time? I mean...

AD (28:57)
Got you.

Now you're going

to be fired up, for sure, you do the weak, your defense, you're going to try to find on matchups, right? You watch the film. Okay, we know this guy's struggling on this right side tackle, Lane's gone, his backup tackle's having problems. How can we find a matchup with, say if I was playing me on this tackle, like get some different looks to make sure we get this one-on-one with this guy on his back side so you get the win. So you start building things around that. try to, you know, you try to.

you know, finding weaknesses on offensive lines and trying to attack it and trying to find a one-on-one matchup to let your best guys attack and go eat. And that's what it is. But like he said, they gonna find ways to chip and do things to slow guys down. Like if you play like a mouse gear with a backup tackle, I'm pretty sure they'll have guys over there finding ways to chip and trying to find ways to slow them down. That's just smart football. Cause if you don't, we kind of know what's going to happen, right? Possibly, least your guys just bow up and just have a day

Zach Klein (29:57)
most important thing for a quarterback on the positions on the offensive line left tackle guard center right guard right tackle.

Matt Ryan (30:05)
I think it starts with your tackles. I do. I think it gets overblown, like the protecting the front side or the blind side. I think that is overblown. You talk about Lane Johnson. He's one of the best tackles in the league and he protects on the front side. He's not a blind side protector. I think your tackles are the most important. I would say then it becomes

You know what your scheme is how you play, whether it's your center who's setting protections for you or getting you in and out of the run game cause that there's a strong value to that. I think with your guards, you with your center in your guards, there's a lot of double teams.

you know, I think if you assign value, I think it starts outside.

And then depending on how you're built, think center and guard are somewhere in the middle of figuring out who's the next most important.

T$ (30:55)
Makes sense. Contract wise, that's how it's spelled out in terms of highest pay guys, the same way.

Zach Klein (30:55)
and AD had a feel-button. That's it.

AD (31:00)
Because like he said, tackles is on the island most of the time, right? You might get a little chipped, but most of the time that's the one-on-one guys. Inside, like a center, he's a help guy. feel like, you know, he's going be the guy that slides to the protection, that helps them interior guys, them guards. it's like, and you got that, it's less space to work in interior, you know? So it's covered, they covered up a lot more than the outside guys for sure. Cause you know, I talked about this before, like a tackle can choke down on a defensive tackle, meaning he can, before he can chip that in, punch that, punch that.

Outside pair to that defensive tackle to help close that B gap up with an overslap with that guard. And then you got that similar protection coming to help to take that A gap up. So it's a lot more space, a lot more covering guys up to help them and things like that. But on the island outside, you don't got the same kind of sets and things like that. So it's a little different.

Matt Ryan (31:46)
Zach, I will say this. I think it also depends on the construction of your roster too. Like I think the value of your center probably goes up if you have a young quarterback, you know, where you've got a guy and they're setting a lot of the protections and they're doing that. right. And so, you you might be more willing to have a guy that's a dog if you're playing a young, young quarterback and a guy who's super sharp and can take some of that weight off of.

AD (31:57)
Yep.

Matt Ryan (32:10)
⁓ off of of a first, second or third year quarterback, I played with a guy in Todd McClure early in in my career, who's the best? We Todd be awesome. Todd's incredible. But you know, thinking back to my experience there and him being such a veteran and being around for such a long time. Like in my case, I think his value in that type of structure of a roster

Zach Klein (32:16)
We gotta get him on the show, man. He's a legend. Yeah.

Matt Ryan (32:31)
was far, far more important than the guards. And I love the guards that we have, but the weight he was taking off my plate was significant. So I think there's, there's a ton of factors that you have to consider in that.

Zach Klein (32:41)
Todd's out west in Las Vegas. So he was there to see CD Lamb and George Pickens spend the opening drive of that game on Monday Night Football on the bench. AD

What does that message say? What does it do? Did it mean anything? Obviously those guys balled out afterwards, but what message was Schottenheimer trying to deliver to those two guys?

AD (32:59)
Accountability, right? I think that's stuff you want, no matter who you are, how important you are to this team. If you ain't where you need to be at the right time and you ain't doing things the right way, you know, it can happen to anybody. his rules is his rules. They did what they did. But I know when them guys came in, man, golly, I know Vegas, which they wasn't playing though, Because the Pickens and Lamb they had a day, man. I think Pickens, man, you just get the ball in that guy's hands, man. He's special, you know, he's not an easy guy to tackle. He run hard.

He can make you miss. He's just good with the ball, man. So, you know, I think Dallas looked good. And let me say something. I know I talked about Dallas defense being one of the worst defenses. I think that Dallas, man, man, that Dallas defense looked good, man, on primetime Monday night ball, man. think Quinnen Williams was a big piece. He had him a day, man, was getting after it, man. I...

Matt Ryan (33:36)
Hey, I think they took your advice. They tried to change the whole defense.

AD (33:50)
So I just wanted to show some love to that Dallas defense, man, for picking it up and having one hell of a game on a prime time stage, man. So my apologies for the stuff I said, fellas, that y'all proved me wrong, man. But let's keep it up. Consistent football is everything.

Matt Ryan (34:02)
That's what we like to see.

AD (34:03)
I'm gonna tell them when they bad, I'm gonna tell them when they good. But now let's be consistent. Let's keep playing like that every single week, Y'all got y'all something.

Matt Ryan (34:07)
There you go.

cause I agree with AD, it's about accountability. It's about, you know, setting, first year head coach, right? Like everything you do matters. How we do everything matters. you know, sending that message when you have guys that miss, particularly when they're impact players like that, and that there are no sacred cows. Like everybody's going to be dealt with.

AD (34:18)
Yep. Yep.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Matt Ryan (34:31)
if you're not all the way in. I think that is so important. And I also think it's extra important because you just brought some other guys in too. We mentioned Quinnen and Williams on that defensive side of the ball and you got this, hey, we're gonna be aggressive. We're trying to change this building. We're trying to change the culture of this building. We're trying to do it the right way of setting that tone of it's unacceptable. If you're not gonna be all in, if you're not gonna do it the right way, there's gonna be repercussions. And I think this was maybe the first time.

AD (34:39)
Mm-hmm.

building a culture. Yep.

Matt Ryan (34:58)
Right? This was the first mishap and maybe it's the second, I have no idea. And it started with one series. But if this continues, like he's setting the tone, it's unacceptable. And I think that's exactly what you need from your head coach. For sure. For sure.

AD (35:08)
Yep.

That's what you want. That's exactly what you want.

Zach Klein (35:14)
AD, we'll strike up the band, get the music playing. You got your defensive player of week for

AD (35:19)
Yes, man, I think it was a good week of football on the defense side of the ball. I'm gonna show some light. know they lost, the Myles Garrett gear with another big week. Four sacks leading the NFL on sacks with 15. I know it ain't the outing he wanted, but I think he's getting out there, man. I wanted to show some light to that Stillers defense too. They played great. Two defensive touchdowns. Eagles defense played great on primetime TV. think Dean, that linebacker.

He was all over the place. They were sending some blisters. He was getting out to the quarterback, affected him in a big way. And I'm gonna show something like to Davis, big nose tackle. know he ain't have to sack sort of the quarterback pressure, but three quarterback batter passes, man. I think that was huge in that game. He affected him in a big way to get out to that good Detroit team and slow him down and cause some three and outs and things like that. So I'm gonna show some light to him. Obviously my Rams defense, man. Played against a good Seattle team. Great. ⁓

I am going to show some light to Ethan Evans, The Rams punter, I think he is a weapon. I think he did... He's a part of the... That's a part of the defense. That's a part of the defense. It was a big four quarter point, with like a minute and 30 left in the game, and landed that on the one, man. He is a weapon, man. He's a special talent. I just wanted to show some light to my dog, man. Kitchens had two interceptions, man, but... And I talked about the Dallas defense, but my number one guy this week...

Matt Ryan (36:15)
Now we're going on the kicking game. I like it. I like it, A-Day. I like it.

Where he dropped it on the one.

AD (36:36)
Denver's cornerback, McMillan, he had a day. Six tackles, two sacks, one interception. And one of them third, that one of them sacks was a third down sack against my homes for them to punt the ball back to that defense, that Denver offense to be able to drive down for that game-winning field goal, man. So, you know, cop it up for McMillan, man. Hell of a day, big dog. Keep it up, man. Flying around all over the place, you know, in a pass game, in a run game, and even after getting up, shit.

getting after the quarterback, man. He had a day, man. So let's keep it up, big dog.

Zach Klein (37:06)
Yeah, clap

up for

Big win for.

T$ (37:07)
As a player

feel like

AD (37:09)
Burns too, man. He had him a day two sex. He's second in the league with sex this year, right? Yup. So he's playing some good ball at 13. And we talk about being consistent and playing consistent week in and week out. No matter if he's winner or losing, he's going to be him. You know, I think he's a talent to have. One hell of a football player. So keep it up, big dog. Keep getting after it.

T$ (37:14)
I that, yes.

Zach Klein (37:16)
13.

Good stuff, AD. Matt, we got the clock ready to... Let's do it.

Matt Ryan (37:32)
I'm ready. I'm ready this

week. I'm on it. All right, the order is going to be AD, Zach, Todd. All right, let's start with AD. The clock is rolling. So you mentioned you were between Pitt, Toledo, and Akron. If we took Pitt off the board, would you have gone to Toledo or Akron? Toledo.

AD (37:47)
I don't want the Toledo. Because my brother was a linebacker

there. I would have played with my brother. I always wanted to play football with my brother, so I wouldn't want the Toledo, for sure. Yup.

Matt Ryan (37:54)
I love it. Toledo, you missed your chance. Could have changed

Zach Klein (37:57)
The

Matt Ryan (37:58)
the

Zach Klein (37:59)
course of history.

Matt Ryan (37:59)
program. All right, Zach. Zach, you're running into people every week. Who's the most interesting person you met at a game this weekend?

Zach Klein (38:06)
⁓ I met Quavo again, ⁓ legendary rapper for the Migos and also Brandon Beach, the Treasury, head of the Treasury for the United States. Pretty powerful man. Fascinating to see him just roaming the sidelines, taking in a beautiful night in the classic city.

AD (38:06)
Mm-hmm.

Matt Ryan (38:20)
I love it. You never know who Zach's gonna run into at these games. That's right. Todd, you're always on the road. You're doing these things on the road all the time. I feel like every time we look at you in here, you're sitting in a hotel room, going to see some of your players. I'm curious, favorite city to go to when you have to go to a road game.

Zach Klein (38:22)
You never know. Brandon Beach and Quavo, yes.

AD (38:23)
Yeah

T$ (38:38)
I love Chicago. I grew up in Chicago. If it's the right time of year, I try to get that to the earlier part of the season. Yeah, exactly. For sure. I just love it. Love going back to reconnect with friends and that type of stuff and eat my favorite foods and all that. It's great city for sure.

Matt Ryan (38:45)
prior to Halloween.

AD (38:47)
You

Matt Ryan (38:55)
I agree, Chicago's awesome. All right, AD, when was the last time, you're always stylish, you look great on game day this past week, but Todd told the story about recruiting you and I'm curious, when's the last time you wore socks with flip flops?

AD (39:09)
Shit, probably that day I seen him, the first time I met Todd, That's probably the first and the last time. ⁓

T$ (39:13)
He was trying to impress me.

Matt Ryan (39:15)
That was the first and the last

time after you sign with Todd, Todd France, there was, there was enough money to get you a better, better wardrobe. I got it. All right. Last one. Last one. Zach. All right. we're talking about benching players and we're to go over. I'm gonna stop it right there at two or two, but we consider you our head coach here, right? You put together the agenda. You kind of run the show for us. I'm curious. Who are you benching? Are you benching me?

Zach Klein (39:21)
Yeah, he fronted him some money and it was over.

AD (39:22)
We upgraded, we upgraded

for sure.

T$ (39:25)
Aaron and I had to have a talk.

Zach Klein (39:27)
Yeah.

Matt Ryan (39:41)
because I was absent from the group text last night, which was basically like a team meeting for us. Or are you benching Todd, who is the last person to show up to the actual show today? Who's going on the bench this week?

T$ (39:51)
But wait, time out,

was on time though.

Zach Klein (39:54)
As Mr. France alluded to, I am benching you, Matt, because you did no response to the group chat, no input whatsoever. And Mr. France was on time. He was early, so he was on time. Matt, you're benched. You're fined.

AD (40:00)
He did not come to team meetings.

T$ (40:05)
I would have appealed it. I would have appealed it.

Matt Ryan (40:05)
No, man, AB,

The meetings start when the head coach shows up, right, in the NFL? It doesn't matter what time frame, what time they say, the meeting starts when the head coach shows up.

Zach Klein (40:11)
Yeah. ⁓

AD (40:11)
Yeah. You right. right. You right. You right.

Zach Klein (40:17)
That's why we started the show when Todd showed up. There you go.

AD (40:17)
Accountability.

Matt Ryan (40:19)
There we go. Todd's the My bad. My bad.

T$ (40:20)
Some of us still, some of us doing this pod

have full-time jobs and are going on and you schedule things. And so I was on time, I was good. And Matt, know what? I knew your no response was you were probably tired from traveling the day before. And that just meant like, you'll get it in the morning. I knew you were good.

Zach Klein (40:24)
Yes.

You're a-

Wow.

Matt Ryan (40:37)
I was half asleep watching that Monday night football game. You said it wasn't much of a game.

AD (40:39)
Yeah.

Zach Klein (40:40)
Yeah, Muzzovich

All right. Let's wrap up here on the Inner Circle pod. Another weekend, another weekend where one of our guys is being honored by a team. Raise your hand if you have a celebration of the National Football League. Yeah, that's you, AD. The Rams honoring you. Congratulations. Bobblehead night, bobblehead night at SoFi. What do we got going on there?

T$ (40:41)
I was trying to stay

AD (40:56)
Appreciate it, appreciate it.

Yeah, bobblehead night showing a little love, obviously. You me being the old guy now retired, man, they gonna show some love to me, man. So I'm excited about that, obviously going back to, you know, watch my Rams, you know, hopefully beat up on a Tampa Bay team. That's a pretty good team. So Sunday night football, prime time game. So I'm excited about it, man, pumped up, so.

Zach Klein (41:20)
They're working

hard, man. I mean, we Stafford on last week, you know, that tribute video is coming and they're going to play the celebration. Matt, I'm telling you, man. Yeah, they're coming hard at UAD.

Matt Ryan (41:26)
When's this jersey going into the rafters, man?

AD (41:29)
I don't know, man. I

don't know. I don't know. Let's see. We're going to see. Hopefully soon.

Matt Ryan (41:32)
it's coming. I

promise you that much, it's coming.

T$ (41:36)
Well deserved.

Matt Ryan (41:35)
That's right.

AD (41:35)
Yeah, I like it.

Zach Klein (41:36)
Good stuff, gentlemen.

lot of fun here on the Inner Circle Podcast. Todd, safe travels back to Atlanta. AD, enjoy the moment. Matt, get that workout on with Todd this week and push him a little bit. you for us? All right. Much love to all. Thanks for hanging out here on the Inner Circle Podcast. Enjoy the rest of your week and we'll see you next week.

Matt Ryan (41:46)
We'll do, we'll do boys.

AD (41:47)
I felt this.