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Wisdom Teller Podcast
Episode 2: Everything But The Kitchen Sink
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In this episode of the Wisdom Teller podcast, the wisdom is all over the place! We’re talking about everything including-how we got the first episode launched, working to live or living to work, fake honey, taking things to the lab, dancing in parking lots, bullying on the job, and we spend an exceptional amount of time discussing protein bars.
Okay, first of all, congratulations because that's so exciting. And it sounds like you sent it to a bunch of people too. I sent it to everybody and their grandmother.
SPEAKER_00I sent it to John. I sent it to John. I wondered if you sent it to John. I thought about that. I told him he's on the on tap for being interviewed. What did he say about that? Oh, he didn't say anything yet. But there are so many people I want to talk to. I wish I could do this. Oh good. No offense to my full-time job because I'm grateful to have it. But I love this so much.
SPEAKER_01Yay! Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. I'm excited too because we have some ideas for future episodes that I really, really, really want to talk about for our planning. But okay, so first, just so I make sure I understand. So BuzzSprout is what you used to upload the audio that we did the last time for the first quote unquote episode. And then once you uploaded it, basically what BuzzSprout did is it created the RSS feed and gave you a link. And then that link is what you put into Spotify so that Spotify, so the actual podcast would appear on Spotify.
SPEAKER_00So one of them, I think it was Spotify, that literally I just pushed a button and it's like you're posted. And I was like, what? And yeah, and then Apple, you had to go through a couple of steps where you list it and then you claim it.
SPEAKER_01Okay. So it was generally easy once you knew what was going on.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I mean, if I was creating, uh I'm creating SOPs at work and I feel like, okay, let me just public service announcement for any future people creating SOPs. Standard operating procedures. Thank you. Thank you. Standard operating procedures. I think people did not have to do the peanut butter jar exercise when they were in school. Did you have to do the peanut butter jar exercise?
SPEAKER_01With the stones in the peanut butter jar?
SPEAKER_00No, no, but that's a good we should talk about that one too. But there was an exercise when I was in school. So thank you to whatever teacher, where it's like, it wasn't a peanut butter jar. Sorry, I'm saying it wrong. It's how to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Oh. How to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. So in school back in the day, you had to do a writing project of explaining to somebody who, like an alien, comes down and doesn't know how to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, and you have to describe it from start to finish. So what I am finding is that many people create standard operating procedures as if they are saying to someone, go in the kitchen, get the peanut butter, get the bread, spread the peanut butter, get some jam, put it on there. They're not saying, get out a knife. Open the jar by turning in a counterclockwise direction. Put the knife in the peanut butter. You know what I'm saying? Is the bread toasted? What kind of bread are we using? Are we using French bread? Are we are we toasting the bread? So I am finding that as a librarian, we're trained to create really beautiful how-to documents with screenshots and all these things. So I think most people just don't know the how-to process. So if I was doing a how-to process for the Buzz Sprout, I would include a little screenshot of Apple and where you go because where you think you need to be is not where you need to be to get the Apple link. You figure out where that is, it's easy.
SPEAKER_01Yes, there's these huge leaps of assumption that you know where to get bread. Yes.
SPEAKER_00That you know what bread is, that you know exactly. It's like people are doing math problems and they're not showing their work, they're just doing it in their head. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So apparently that's not a thing anymore. They don't mind how we had to do all those advanced measurement classes and we had to show all of our proof, all of our work, because people don't think it's a thing anymore. And I have to say, with AI, they probably are feeling like I don't even need to do it now, much less figure out a proof.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, the way these kids are learning. I mean, these kids kids these days, they their math is so weird the way they learn.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh, I saw some samples of it on Reddit, and it was it seems so much more complex to me. But maybe that's just how their critical thinking patterns are or the way their brains are working. Yeah, I wish I had an example of that, but okay, okay. Yay, congratulations, cheers, cheers, cheers, cheers, what are you drinking?
SPEAKER_00Water and coffee, but I don't want to drink in the microphone. Let me do this.
SPEAKER_01Oh, that's okay. I don't think you can hear it, especially on Apple microphones. Not good for Apple microphones. Okay, good. Rosemary ginger tea.
SPEAKER_00Oh, rosemary ginger tea is lovely. What what brand is it?
SPEAKER_01Uh mine. I just cut up ginger and I threw in rosemary and I boiled the heck out of it. And it smells so good when you're boiling it. And I think it's really good for the environment. Not for the bugs, though, they don't like it, which is good too. Yeah. But um, yeah, it's really and I put a little bit of lavender honey. Oh my god, that's so lovely. The way you live.
SPEAKER_00It's so good.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh, it's just tea. But anyway, we'll talk more about those things. Yeah, I'm gonna have a whole episode on tea. I love it. And I want to do an episode on protein bars because I don't want to be, I don't want to have a spoiler alert, but I want to know. I'm really excited. Is was there did something happen with you in a protein bar?
SPEAKER_00Yes, a lot is happening with me and protein bars. So uh yeah, right. I cannot find a protein bar that simultaneously tastes good and doesn't have a lot of crap in it. Oh, and I do have some favorites, and I will discuss on our podcast episode. Okay, but I what I do is every time I go to Rolling Oats, I buy a new brand and I try it. And that's fun, right? It's so much fun. And I do have one that's my favorite that gets all melty and stuff. Oh and I don't love that it gets melty. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01I think that would be nice that it would be kind of melty. Oh, but not if you're in transit and it's gooing up everywhere.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I feel like we I would like to talk to the protein bar companies about yeah, this. I feel like I'm gonna do the episode soon. So that's coming.
SPEAKER_01Trailer, trailer. We we we need to have a change the world episodes, and episode one will be protein bars. What needs to be done? What needs to be done, exactly. And now every what role can you play in this?
SPEAKER_00That's right. Everything has protein now. We're gonna talk about that in the episode anyway.
SPEAKER_01Okay, yeah, okay, thank you. But I'm really excited about talk about protein bars. But we okay, so but we said we want this to be a planning chat. And so did you have some a direction you wanted to go with the planning, or were you just like, I want to talk about the people I want to interview, or do we want to talk about the questions we want to ask? What are you thinking?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so all of the above. I was thinking we have some great ideas for future podcasts. I want to talk about who, yeah, who we want to interview. And then you gave some great questions already about like things we would want to ask people.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00And then also, how do we want to recruit people? Is it just simply people we know that's like, hey, you want to be on the podcast, or do we put it out on Facebook? By the way, I posted it on Facebook. Hope that's it.
SPEAKER_02Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00I guess we'll we're gonna we need to market ourselves. I mean, the young people who do this are probably laughing at us, like, what are these people doing?
SPEAKER_01Man, sure. Is there a category below boomers where they are like, hey Xers? Or yeah, I like that though. I like it. Proud to be Generation X. Yeah, definitely. Okay, so it's just a quick question before we jump into this. Did you know that they consider Generation X to be feral children that had complete run of their own lives and society and were just kind of thrown out there to the wolves, raised by wolves and thrown out there to the wolves? Did you know that?
SPEAKER_00I didn't know that, and they have not met my mother because I didn't live like that. That was not my experience.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so that was completely my experience. I'm pretty sure my mom had no idea where I was from age eight, no, maybe even earlier, like seven until now. She has she still up and know she still can't figure it out for different reasons now than then.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, isn't that interesting? It's interesting, and I just feel like if you look at like stranger things, I don't, I don't, I doubt you've watched it, but it's just delightful. I haven't, but I heard it's really fun. I mean, you know, it's ooey-gooey and scary and spooky and stuff, but the kids are on it, and that is true. Like we were, this is why we are wonderful, reliable adults, I think, because we were on it, we got things done as Generation X kids. We were little adults, so maybe we were some of us were feral, but not in a negative way. We were self-sufficient, you know.
SPEAKER_01Like that's that's more what it's about. I think I think feral might be a stretch for some people, but the point was completely self-maintaining, completely independent. Well, not obviously not completely, that's a bit delusional because somebody had to pay for our stuff and you know, early on. But yes, totally independent in terms of yes, I'm making my own food at seven years old. And oh yeah, I'm you know, figuring out what I want to do with my life. But I thought that was interesting because that feral part I could definitely identify with. We'll have an episode on that too.
SPEAKER_00I would love to, and I'll just take this moment as a shout out to my mom, who simultaneously was in graduate school, worked full-time, had dinner on the table, had everything organized. I do not know, helped us with our homework. Like, I don't know how she did that.
SPEAKER_01So she's a super mom, yeah.
SPEAKER_00But we did have oversight for sure.
SPEAKER_01That's good. That was good. That's probably what keep kept you off the streets, Priscilla.
SPEAKER_00Because you know my inclination is to be on the streets. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01I know you dancing in parking lots. Oh, well, this is true. Yeah, this is true. Okay, so planning. So do you want to talk about the next episode and if we want to interview somebody, or do you want to be more like the bigger framework of like where do we get people? Like you said. I really want to talk about protein bars. I'm not getting no. Should we talk about it on this episode then? Can we talk about it compelling? Yeah, yeah, because I'm curious now because I want to, first of all, I have questions. I want to ask you, so protein could mean a lot of things. When you say a protein bar, are you looking for like a soylent green kind of thing where it's got everything in it that you need to sustain life? Or are you just talking about you want a little bit of extra protein in your life? And so you want something that's healthy, but will give you that little extra.
SPEAKER_00I'm talking about something else. Um, women of a certain age, which we shall shall not disclose on the podcast, need more protein. At least the trend of the day is that we need more protein and weight training to sustain and build muscle. So I find it really difficult to eat that much protein. And so I supplement with protein bars and sometimes protein shakes. And since I've gotten on this protein bar kick, I have tried different kinds. Some upset my stomach, some, you know, it's it just depends on the kind of protein. So I my hope was to have different bars to show and sample, but I think people can look it up themselves because I won't off the top of my head know the ingredients and how much protein in the bar.
SPEAKER_01Well, we can find that out easily. I mean, I could do it. You could just send me the bars and then I'll find out the details on them and we can do it.
SPEAKER_00Well, if we're gonna talk about it now though, I will say that I've noticed everything in the grocery store has extra protein, cereal, yeah, that's now protein cereal, pancakes, pudding. Oh my god, thank you, Jesus, whoever made the protein.
SPEAKER_01Extra protein and pudding. So, what gives it the extra protein, like pea protein or whey protein, or the in this one they might have pea protein.
SPEAKER_00I feel like it's really just whole milk and they're now marketing it. Right, right. But I there's a brand of pudding that I love, and it's an almond milk pudding by Zen.
SPEAKER_01Oh with the panda bear? With the panda bear. Oh my god. I used to collect the tops. Oh, so I could get a panda bear t-shirt. Oh my god, and then I collected enough of the tops, and then they stopped doing the t-shirts, and now I still I ate so much Zen panda bear pudding, and I never got a t-shirt.
SPEAKER_00I think if they're listening, which is really highly unlikely, but they could be, they could be. Once we get a following, I think those people need to send you a t-shirt. I don't think they have the panda bear on on the thing anymore. Maybe they do on the cover.
SPEAKER_01See, that's probably why, because people got upset about the t-shirts, I think.
SPEAKER_00Probably. Well, that's such good pudding. They used to make a banana one. I really wish they still made it. But that it doesn't have a lot of protein and it has sugar, but I still eat it. And I found out they have now a brand that is protein pudding. So I got that instead, but it's made with whole milk. It's actually peanut butter chocolate. So you can, you know, you know why it's got protein, but it actually has less sugar. So I eat that instead. Um, and it's actually so rich that I only eat half, but it's got 20 grams for a little cup of pudding. So how many did you decide you need every day? Well, my trainer and my doctor think two different things. Sorry, to both. The doctor said 120 grams. And I was like, I can't do it.
SPEAKER_01That's crazy. Wait. Okay, I need to find out. So so 20 grams in your pudding. Well, yeah. So you'd need to eat six of those a day.
SPEAKER_00This, by the way, disclaimer, we are not nutritionists. We are not so my trainer said that's too much and that he thought the doctor was probably shooting high because he knew that if I aimed for that, I'd at least get 80. So I try to get between 80 and 100, but I don't, I don't get that much. But so these protein bars though, I really love Aloha protein bars. But if you're sensitive to pea protein, if that like will bloat you, then that's not a good bar for you. But they have a bunch of great flavors. I don't know how many grams of proteins in that one. But then there's something else that I just found. And this is the one that gets kind of melty and crumbly, but the taste is really good. And it actually does have some good ingredients, although it does have cane sugar, which I don't like. Um I mean, I like it, but I don't want it. Yeah. Um, is peak protein bars. And they're not yeah, that's because they're not many places. They have them at rolling oats and they have them at sprouts, but I don't know where else. Um, and then there's this one, I forget exactly what it's called. Probably best that I not name it anyway. Okay, but it is made with beef tallow.
SPEAKER_01Oh no, don't do the beef tallow.
SPEAKER_00It is so disgusting.
SPEAKER_01It is so no, because you know why they're doing the beef tallow. No, tell me, because it's doing they're doing the beef tallow because there is the Make America Healthy Again movement. Ooh. And which did I hear? Sorry. Make America Healthy Again. That's awful. No, that's great. The movement, not so much. Sorry. Right, no, no, no. So there are elements of it that are being pushed by people that don't have a background in nutrition, right? And so one of the things that they're saying is that seed oils like sunflower seed, like safflower seed, like all the different seeds, grape seeds, that those are really bad for people and they need to replace them with butter and beef tallow. Oh gosh. Which is gonna cause cardiology. Heart disease, yes. Yes. So I mean, fought so hard in public health and health education to try to get people to stop eating lard, stop eating beef tallow, stop eating straight butter. So that's why when you said the protein bar has beef tallow, I was like, oh my gosh, I wonder if it's always had beef tallow, or it's just because of this new, you know, movement that's getting so much attention. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And let me, you know, let me clarify. I am all for making America making people, everyone, making the world healthier again. And Danielle and I both have doctorates in public health. So we are, we have been trying to get people healthier for years, and that is why we don't like the idea of people, you know, basically injecting lard into their bodies.
SPEAKER_01So I will tell you before we flip back to the Aloha bars and the protein bars here, that when you get a chance, check out the new food pyramid. Oh, I've seen that.
SPEAKER_00And I have a friend who's a nutritionist, and she uh did one that was sideways. That was really cool. It was really cool.
SPEAKER_01I like to see that. Yeah. Maybe we should have an episode on the food.
SPEAKER_00We we could interview her, she'd be amazing.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, put it on it to the list. But I do find that a lot of these protein bars, and my trainer's always saying if it has a chocolate coating, that's gonna be worse. It's gonna have sugar. But I um there's one called David's that's pretty clean, but it is also more expensive.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00So there's just all these. What do you mean more expensive? I mean up towards like $375 a bar. Um whereas like maybe a Loha bar is like two something or three dollars. I mean, we can do if people are relying on us for this, we can do actual research. Like we're just doing this impromptu. But um I think it would be interesting to do research on this and like maybe a matrix. We love a matrix, yeah. Where you know, it it I love a matrix. Yeah, you're the one who taught me, remember? You taught me a matrix.
SPEAKER_01And now they have to operationalize things.
SPEAKER_00We have to operationalize all the things, and now people, you know, use a different word for matrix, and you know, in the workplace they call it something, you know, whatever all these things, yeah. All these things, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um that's a whole nother episode. That is an episode after we finish this. Let's go back to the recording and let's write all these down because I'm not writing them down right now. Okay. Um, but those are all really good ideas. I want to I have to go back to the protein just really quickly because I want to say, so I asked um our AI friend here at high protein foods to build your day because I was just curious about how many grams of protein different things have. And it says a cup of Greek yogurt or cottage cheese has 20 to 25. That's really high, and that's really good. Eggs and egg whites, three eggs give you 18. I'm not sure many people are gonna eat 18 grams worth of eggs because that's not that's egg whites too. Um, a half a cup of tofu is 20 grams, a scoop of protein powder is 25. So it sounds like you could get, you really could get oh your 100 just by adding some of those things in it. And then it says Aloha bars have 14 grams of protein in them. And then I wanted to ask you have you ever tried an RX bar? Yes, I have, those are really good. So I love those. I love the chocolate one, and that has 12 grams of protein. And if you get them at Trader Joe's, they're like a dollar less than it's like at Publix, but sometimes Publix has them BOGO. And so you can get two full boxes for the price of one box at Publix.
SPEAKER_00Oh, you know what? I should try those. I do know those, and they are clean. I didn't realize they had this that much protein. That's wonderful.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, they're not organic and they have dates in them, so they might have a little more sugar than some of the other bars, but I don't know. But like natural sugar, so not added. Right.
SPEAKER_00Um, there's one that I tried called Truvani, and I actually really love their protein powder. Um, and it's got it's kind of like an RX bar as far as ingredients. Like there's not a whole lot in there, but like dates and nuts and stuff. Yeah, that's what I like about those. Yeah. And a true bar is another one, but that one doesn't seem to have a lot of protein.
SPEAKER_01Oh, have you tried naked bars? No, I haven't even heard of that. Are they good? Yeah, they're phenomenal. Um, they don't have as much protein per bar, but they're small. Oh. And the price point is really good. And they have so many different flavors and no added sugar. It just comes from date powder. So they have like salted caramel and double chocolate. And again, they're not organic, but two bars would be 14 grams. Um, but they're filling too. That's why I like them.
SPEAKER_00So I and there's one that's delicious, but I'm not sure how good for you in it.
SPEAKER_01Sometimes that's the case.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's bare bells, but I think they're really popular.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, they're not. I did, I saw an article that was talking about those. And I mean, I have to, we have to make it relative though, because some people's diets are really horrendous. Right. And so for them, having a bare bell instead of something would be really good for them. Yeah. But for me, I'm I cut all sugar out, added sugar out of my diet. Oh my god. And so for me, I don't want anything that has, and I don't want a replacement. I don't want a melatol, and I don't want a xylitol, and I don't want a dextrose and all. How do you feel about monk fruit? Are you okay with that? So I think it's better than some of them because the, you know, that insulin factor that they have that causes the spike. From what I've read in the research, it doesn't spike it as high as some of the other sugars. But at the end of the day, it really is a processed sugar. Like they have to process the monk fruit. And so that's why I try to get the bars that are just dates, you know, like date powder in there instead of something that had same with stevia. They say that Reb A in Stevia, that it's the least of some of the evils because it doesn't have the byproducts that some of the other ones do. But at the end of the day, it's still processed and sometimes oftentimes chemically processed.
SPEAKER_00So I find those almost cloying, you just too sweet in a kind of weird way. Um, I love aftertaste too. Yes, aftertaste. I love that you have cut artificial sugar from your diet, and I really wish that you could just, I don't know, magically just like put that ability onto me because yeah, it was such a hard time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, because I don't I realized I didn't, I never really thought about it, but I think I got through grad school on hot tamales and Mike and Ike because I can remember being so proud of myself. This is before I went through the public health program, and I I actually didn't really know about health, even though my mom was such a huge health food store freak, and we were not allowed to have candy when we were growing up or soda or anything like that. Um, but I overcompensated when I became an adult and I had so much sugar. And then when I decided to cut it out, at first it was really difficult, but I did a bunch of research and I realized that it's because we get addicted to the sugar. Yes. So you really go through withdrawals at first. And but once I got through the cravings, I would I weaned off, like I replaced it with some honey or I replaced it with fruit. I was eating so much fruit at one point to try to wean off of that. But um, but once I did that, I I literally now sugar grosses me out. I do not like the even the thought of eating sugar, and it tastes weird too. When I taste something that has sugar, it tastes fake, it doesn't taste, you know, good to me.
SPEAKER_00I really I want that so badly from myself. I would really like to do it, and I've tried over the years, and it really is an addiction. I empathize. I've been involved with tobacco control, and I empathize because sugar, it's an addictive process and it's very hard to quit, you know.
SPEAKER_01So we we should make a sugar patch. Oh my god, like a nicotine. Damn. I would I'd actually be taking the patch even when I didn't crave it just to get like the sugar on. Oh my god, like when it's an outro, remember she was in was it the Royal Tenonbals where she put the nicotine patch on her just to get the nicotine hit?
SPEAKER_00Oh my god. Um, so anyway, yeah, that's that's how I feel about the protein bar situation. And I do I'm gonna try the RX bars though. Thank you.
SPEAKER_01We'll do more. Yes, please, and go to Trader Joe's together because they have all the flavors and the prices are much better. I will. Um, I just want to put one more item on the list of things to talk about. I would love to do an episode where we get to take things to the lab. Because I really want to take different things to the lab, like water or things where they say they're organic and see if they're really organic, or take things where they say there are certain ingredients in them. Like, for example, I love to use rosa moschetta on my skin, that rose seed oil. And I, every time I get one, it smells different. Oh, and it looks different. And oftentimes I wonder to myself, because of that whole Italian olive oil scandal, do you remember that? I do. Okay, I can't help but wonder if people are saying to me that this is one thing, but it actually turns out that it's maybe some of that thing, but maybe with some corn oil in it, or maybe with some olive oil in it, or maybe with you know, some cheap filler in it. So I would like to take things to the lab.
SPEAKER_00Do we actually have a lab? Like, I mean, do we have lab people?
SPEAKER_01Well, yes, there's labs all over the place. We would have to find one that does environmental testing, though. So maybe our friends over at the Department of Health, we could talk to them about testing some things. I mean, we could pay for it.
SPEAKER_00I would love to be doing it for free, but yeah, yeah, no, that's a great idea. I do I do also wonder because people are just, I mean, there not only was there an olive oil scandal, there was a honey scandal. You know about that too, right?
SPEAKER_01So I only know that for the longest time I thought all honey was the same. And then I came to find out that no, there's a lot of honey that's actually honey that's they boil the heck out of it so that it just becomes like sugar water. But what was the scandal? I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Well, it was that that that they said it was honey, but it wasn't actually honey, it was just sugar, basically.
SPEAKER_01Oh, it was glucose syrup, basically. Yeah. Oh my gosh, wait. So this is really important too, because I learned that when you go to restaurants, the honey that they put on the table, 99% of the time, it's just honey flavored glucose syrup. Oh my god, what is wrong with people? Yeah, I think it's because it tastes like honey, and most people don't know the difference, especially if they're drowning a stack of pancakes with it. But I had no idea because the way I found out is I went to one of the really fun little breakfast places, and they had on the menu real honey and extra 150. But sitting there on the table was a thing of what I thought was honey. So I said to the woman, I said, What is this real honey? And she said, she said, Oh, that's like real honey, like bee honey. And I said, Well, what is this? And she looked at it and she realized it kind of caught her. She just looked at me, she goes, It's not honey. Oh my god. And I said, Wait, I said, so it's not, but it's but it says honey. She's like, Well, it's just flavored, like like flavored like honey. So that was new to me. That's new to me. I I don't yeah. Well, at a honey episode, at a honey episode, because people, I really want to talk about the bees and I really want to talk about honey. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00Well, I know a I there's a word for this that I can't remember. I can't remember an apiary. That that that I was gonna go with apiary, but I wasn't sure. But what do you call a person that is an apiarist? What is that a word?
SPEAKER_01I call them a beekeeper.
SPEAKER_00Okay. That's a lot simpler. Well, I know one and we should interview her. So that takes me back to people we want to interview. So my friend Ross is volunteering to be interviewed. And he likes, I could talk about mental health, I could talk about addiction and recovery, I can talk about the time I was a chauffeur and personal assistant. And I was like, oh my god, talk about all those things.
SPEAKER_01Wow, that would be amazing. Do we do we want to have initial questions to get people started? Yeah, yeah, that's good.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Um, you you came up with a list of good questions, I thought.
SPEAKER_01I just threw some of them down because I liked super diversity in them. And I was thinking specifically about some of the shows that I've watched where people interview people. And one of the things that I really like are the shows where it shows that they thought about that person before they got on. Right. I don't know if you remember Larry King. He used to have a really famous interview show. Okay, well, I never watched it, but one of the things I read when he passed was that he was famous for never preparing for an interview. Oh, interesting. And so he oftentimes wouldn't even know anything about the person that was sitting across from them. And he just started asking them questions. Oh, wow. And then there's now uh in comparison, there's a show on what's it called? It's something like hot stuff or something. It's the guy that gives people hot sauce in increasing levels. Oh my gosh. Yeah, do you know this show? No, okay, you have to watch it. So I think I'm gonna do like an AI accompaniment while we talk because I'm constantly looking things up because I have so many things in my brain I can't remember. Um, hot sauce talk show guy. I'm gonna put that in a C, and AI will know exactly. Okay, yes, Hot Ones with Sean Evans. Okay, you have to watch one of his episodes. I have a couple of my favorites, but what I think is so phenomenal about him is that he really thinks about the person that he's interviewing before he even gets in front of them. Yeah, and he asks them really probing, interesting questions. So it's not like, so why did you choose this movie? And how did you get into acting? Or why did you become? He goes deep into their childhood and he's like, Oh, I read this about you, and you know, what do you how do you think that developed? And he catches people off guard sometimes, and not only that, as he's doing it, they're going through this the the hot sauce chart, and they're going higher and higher up on the hot sauce chart. So it's makes for a really fun dynamic. But I love that because it's creative and it's unique and it takes extra work, but he really does the work, and the end product is just fantastic. I think it's just really good. It's humor, it's interesting, it's serious. People are crying, but you don't know if they're crying because some of the questions they ask them or because of the hot sauce. So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So I love that idea. And I don't know if you've ever listened to Being Well with Rick Hansen, but Forrest Hansen. Oh, it's my favorite. I love Rick Hansen, but Forrest Hansen is his son, and he prepares the podcast and stuff, and he does so much research on all the people. Oh, so I love that. So, for standard questions, you gave me a list. I feel like we need to trim some of those down.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Well, I guess maybe what we do is we have a pool of questions. Okay. Yep. And then depending on the person and what we know about them and what they might bring to the table, we can then pull specific questions out because I just threw down questions that I thought I would like to know about people out in the world. So, what's something you wish you didn't do or did differently? I I like that one. And I like what's an encounter you had with a person that you still think about and an embarrassing moment you wish you had a chance to explain. Yeah. I like those because I think there's things that people have done in their lives that they felt misunderstood. Right. And they wish they had a chance to give their side of the story. Yes, but they never did. And I feel like it would be really cleansing for people to be able to finally give their side of the story with some things. Now it might crack open a bunch of things too. Maybe we need to have a licensed professional mental health counselor. Oh my gosh. Or give a disclaimer or something, or give medication with the bill. But I but I would like to know things like that about people.
SPEAKER_00I would too. And I know you wanted to interview me, but I also want to interview you and ask you questions about specifically different projects you've worked on, personal projects and stuff. And I want to talk about some job stuff, you know. And so I think I like the idea of interviewing each other as guinea pigs. And then I've just been brainstorming. I want to interview our friend John. I want to interview, if she would be willing, my old boss, Elise. And really, for that episode, I would want to talk about like work and creativity and how did you get there and what are other things you do? Because she has such an interesting broad range of skills, you know.
SPEAKER_01So yes, I have one of the questions on the list here is what is your livelihood? What pays you? What brings in the bill, the money for the bills? But also that's so often different than what do you like to do?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And then so I want to talk about people's, what they do for work, but I also want to talk about work and people's philosophies on it. Because you know, that old cliche of do you live to work or do you work to live? Right. And I've been watching things over the past X years of people that are starting to say, I know that I got educated for this. I know that I invested a bunch in this career, but I did it because my parents, I wanted to make my parents proud, or I did it because of how much money it brings in. Or, and I want to talk to people too that did something that they just loved and it didn't bring in as much money, or they loved and it ended up bringing in money. You know, that balance between the way people live and then the fact that we have to support ourselves and we have to pay our bills.
SPEAKER_00Yes, please. I want to talk about that for sure. And it makes me remember um this morning, I was thinking I want to interview my friends Susan and Sarah, who are both trained MDs and like don't practice. They do not practice. And so kind of interesting, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Looking and actually, that's a big that's a great one because that's a huge investment.
SPEAKER_00That's a huge investment in residencies and internships, and uh they're both amazing and they've had amazing paths, you know. So I would like to talk about that. But yeah, one of the things I learned late in life was I wish somebody would have told me this, like when I'm prepared, was preparing to go to college, that what you like to study and what you like to do can be two different things. So for instance, I absolutely love studying science, in particular human science, you know, bioscience, like biochemistry, neuroscience, physiology. Love, love, love. But learning about that. Oh, love learning about it. But I realize, like I was in medical school for a year and I realized that I love studying science and I want to know what doctors know, but I do not want to do what doctors do because I don't want to be involved with the healthcare system. And I also don't want to have to, you know, do any of the icky things, you know. So, but I love science. But what I like to do is, you know, all the public health program development, public health planning. I love, you know, I've got the background in library science. So I love any kind of information management, knowledge management, content strategy, taxonomy. Those are things that I did not go to college thinking I like to do that. I just sort of along the way figured that out.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Yes, that's so interesting because you start to realize that it takes so much time to figure out what you like and what you don't like. Yes. And we've talked about that before that in the beginning, when you don't like something, you kind of feel like a failure, like, oh, I did this. And I, but it's actually really rewarding to be able to discern that because then you can cross it off the list and no, right, I don't want to do that anymore. And that's right over time becomes so important. What you're saying is so interesting too, because we've also realized that you can be doing the technical things that you love, but if it's in the wrong culture and in the wrong context or with the wrong supervisor, that can just blow the whole thing out of the water because it can ruin everything.
SPEAKER_00It can. So what part of one of the things I'll I'll just I'll say it now that I was gonna say in the work episode is I have been so fortunate to have had many wonderful bosses, including you, including Elise, including um Brian, and you know, just lots Cindy, Cindy Selleck, that's like amazing. Um, so really great bosses. And then I had two really, really awful bosses. And in fact, one of them uh was so awful that six years later the local newspaper had two articles kind of calling him out on some of the things that that he did. So six years after I would have been validation. It was yeah, it was validating, but also heartbreaking because I loved the job. I loved the work I was doing. Yeah, and I left after a year because it was he it was so damaging the the way that he was. And it wasn't just me, like many people, there was so much turnover. And finally, six years later, it caught up with him. So that was one boss. But but recently I had a real a bully, and um it's really challenging because there really isn't, I don't know, like maybe we can have when we have the the you know psychologist on the show, maybe they can give insight into this. But it feels as though there's nothing you really can do. If that person is your supervisor and they are bullying you, even if you document it, there's just not like HR doesn't, it doesn't feel like HR is there to help you. Maybe we can have an HR specialist on on as well.
SPEAKER_01That would be very interesting. Yeah, yeah, because you can see how their hands, they feel their hands are tied, yeah they don't want to deal with it, or if there's a path of these resistance for just getting rid of one person versus having to deal with the conflict.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yeah, yes, and and you know, contrast that with I work with a group now of the most lovely, lovely people, and it just makes all the difference. I want lovely people.
SPEAKER_01Yes, that's so interesting because when you use the word bully, yeah, it's so curious because you want to think, and this is going to sound, I'm gonna say these words, and I can feel it sounds so naive, but you love to think that in a workplace like one that you're in, I mean, you have PhD, you're surrounded by PhDs, these are high-level people, you're doing things at a national and global level. You would think that bullying would not be a word you would ever use in that kind of workplace. That's for the playground, that's for when you were in high school, that's for a situation where people don't know how to manage themselves or their anger or their tendencies towards psychologically, mentally abusing other people, but you start to realize no, no, no, it's still a thing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I mean maybe we could do a podcast on this because I read a book at the time called Something's Not Right. I think that's what it's called. I have to look it up. Something's not right. And it it is about the subtle nuances of the power moves and the different things that people do to bully in the workplace and the systemic bullying, like and how that supports. Yeah, like like even Catholic Church type stuff, you know, where there's a whole system of abuse happening that nobody's talking about and people are covering up. And so while I'm really grateful to have had so many wonderful bosses, and I'm also glad that that one of the two bad bosses I had was called out, it does make me wonder how is this a person getting away with that? And like, do don't other people see that? And I don't know. I don't know. So it just makes you really grateful when you get the good ones. And I've been fortunate to have a lot of really great ones.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Well, I can see having one episode on work. Yeah. I can see that turning into many episodes because there's so many aspects of it. So yes, let's write that one down for sure. That one I think will be a huge one. And I think people would, I'm really interested to know what people think about work, what they do for work, because there's so much out there that I don't even know about. Things I don't even know exist.
SPEAKER_00Like what they do, but also how how did you become a you know a garbage man? Like, how did you? Like, is this something you wanted to do? Are you just are you trying to save money for your family? Are there perks? Do you enjoy who you work with? Do you like the fact that you're free to throughout the day to you know drive around? Like, not that you're just driving to Starbucks in the garbage truck, but like you're free, you're not trapped in front of a computer. Like, do you like that?
SPEAKER_01Uh yes, I love what you're saying because I think there's these assumptions. Oh, and I hear this all the time. People can be, we humans can be so judgmental and make assumptions based on what our center of beliefs are. Right. So we might automatically say, Oh my gosh, why would somebody ever do X? And then you might talk to that person and they say exactly what you just said. Yeah, are you kidding me? I get paid to be outside all day. I get full benefits. I get to run around, I get exercise, I get to be around people that are really down to earth. And we don't, we're not in an office under fluorescent lights. We don't have to answer to some crazy person that's oppressive. Yeah. So I bet there's so many, so many people out there that we just make these assumptions about, and we have no idea.
SPEAKER_00No idea. I was I was literally thinking because it was Tuesday and Friday, is when they pick up the garbage. And I was thinking, I wonder what that job is like. I can imagine that there's a lot of great things about this job. And then I and then I got thinking, well, I wonder how, you know, I think you apply through the city, and I wonder, you know, if people like it and if they don't like it, and then you know, so I'm yes, I'm very curious about yeah, yeah. People and you hear a lot of stories about people who were who studied to be one thing, but that is not at all what they do.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you know, yeah. Um, but yeah, so I will add that to the work list.
SPEAKER_00Okay. I mean, I I'm excited. I think we've got a lot of potential episodes here. So to summarize, we're gonna have one or two questions to kick it off, and then we're gonna have a pool of questions, and then we're gonna have one or two questions that we ask everyone that are like the main questions.
SPEAKER_01Um, I like that in order to make them really good. You know, like I really liked this one. Um, what's an encounter you had with a person that you still think about to this day? I like this one too. Who do you think you were in another life and who do you want to be in the next one? Yeah. Because I think many things could come out of that. You know, you might have people that say, whoa, whoa, whoa, there's no other lives. Right. Or, or you know, I don't want to be in the next one. No, that's what I was gonna say.
SPEAKER_00I'm not, let's put it on the record. Please don't make me come back. But yeah, I I love all those. So next time I'm wondering, I could interview you next time, or you could interview me next time. The next couple of shows, I think we should interview each other and try it out, and then we can start getting other people.
SPEAKER_01Yes, I love it. Yeah, let's start with you. I knew you're gonna say that. I knew you're gonna say that. So you have to understand, and you know this. You're so much better at answering questions than I am. You know, I scorn when people ask me questions about myself. I do not like it at all. I know that about the person that's doing a podcast on interviewing people to tell their stories, but I just don't like it. So let's let's interview you first and you can set the tone for it.
SPEAKER_00As long as you promise that we do get to interview you and you can screen the questions. I won't ask anything you don't want me to ask.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I like fun questions.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I'll ask you fun questions like your favorite song to dance to in the parking lot. I will totally ask you that.
SPEAKER_01Do you remember what that was? I don't remember. Do you? Uptown, funk you up. Uptown, funk you up. Oh, but we I don't think we can sing the songs because then it won't get flagged for Oh, we can't sing them?
SPEAKER_00That makes me so sad. Well, all right, but I do want to say that if I had to, I forgot that that was one that is so much fun to dance to the parking lot with.
SPEAKER_01You know, I got a $30 ticket for that for dancing in the parking lot? No, no, if I got a ticket for dancing in the parking lot, I would have that framed on a wall. Oh my god. That we went someplace after we finished our dance party. And then when apparently it was not a parking lot, we broke Oh my God, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_00I didn't know.
SPEAKER_01No, it's okay. I paid it and I sent them a really scathing letter. They never wrote me back or said anything about it. Um, but what was interesting is they never cashed the check. So maybe my appeal worked. I was like, I took, I went down and I took pictures, and I'm like, there was no signs saying that I was not allowed to park here. And I gave I stated my case and I but I paid it. I gave them a check like they asked for, and they never cashed the check, so maybe it worked. Oh, that's really interesting.
SPEAKER_00That is so interesting. Um, there is a song called, oh, I can hear it. It's like whispers on the dance floor. Oh, do you know what I'm saying? It's back, it's an old song. But I can't think of what it's called, but that one is one I would dance to. I'll have to tell you next time. It's an old one, it's an old song. Okay, hold on. I'm looking it up.
SPEAKER_01So as we as we I thought you were telling the shut up and dance with me. Oh no, I love that one. I like that one. Yeah, I didn't.
SPEAKER_00But this one, okay.
SPEAKER_01Wait, I've got it in my what as you look uh that up, I think it's really actually good because I can't sing. And so if I sing the parts of the songs, the copyright flag would probably not even catch it because it wouldn't recognize me either.
SPEAKER_00I cannot sing at all. I know like the music and I know when when the beat's coming, when the violin's coming, I know all of that, but I do not know. I feel like it's called Whispers on the Dance Floor, but that's probably not true. And I have it in this playlist now. Daggum, I want to find it.
SPEAKER_01You'll find it for next time.
SPEAKER_00I've gotta find it for next time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because I would love to have little snippets of music on here because music is so important to us.
SPEAKER_00You know what? I have a playlist called Dancing.
SPEAKER_01I see you have all songs that you like to dance. Yeah, I would love to have that.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I'll send it to you because you should take dance breaks during the day. It's good for you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's teardrops.
SPEAKER_00It's called it's called teardrops. Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to play it. It's called Teardrops by Womac and Womac.
SPEAKER_01Oh, you probably sent me that because you sent me something from Womac and Womac. But I'm gonna listen to it afterwards and I'm gonna look up how we can play tiny little snippets on our podcast because music is very important.
SPEAKER_00It's so important. This makes me so happy. Thank you so much for a wonderful episode.
SPEAKER_01Yes, yeah. Did we do anything? Did we get anything done that we said for the planning? Well, we had a good conversation, is what we did. We always have a good conversation. And we said that you're gonna interview me next month. Yeah, we did do that. Okay, I love it. Okay, yay, thank you. Yay, thank you. Have a beautiful day, you too. Bye. Okay, bye.