Hunger That Sings | Ghost & Ghouls Ep 11 | Season 1

Tyler set out for a simple evening of vlogging and camping, but the singing and what followed will  be with him forever. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to the Ghost and Ghouls podcast. I'm your host, Tyler. And with me, I have the goblin gutter gremlin guner himself, co-host Anthony.

SPEAKER_01 0:08

Okay. That was a tongue pull.

SPEAKER_02 0:12

A little bit. I had to prepare myself. That's what I was licking my doing today. Doing good. I'm doing good. If you're new here, this is how this works. I'm gonna read Anthony here, a fictional horror story about some kind of cryptid monster, ghost, ghoul, gremlin, goblin, extraterrestrial, paranormal entity, monster thing. Where I've removed the name of the thing from the story and replaced it with descriptions. Then Anthony here gets to uh guess and see if he can guess what we're talking about today. Then after that, we'll do a a history of the creature and its origins. Then we'll look into its pop culture, if it has any significant pop culture references, and then a little what would you do if you had to fight this thing scenario? And finally, our monster movie maker moment where we'll come up with a glorious movie idea. Maybe describe some shots, a little bit of script action, maybe some casting options, we don't know. Just even picking a genre, horror comedy, you know, horror romance, romance, you know, just snuff film, we don't know.

unknown 1:24

Gosh.

SPEAKER_02 1:25

Maybe we'll do porn one time. I don't know. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

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SPEAKER_02 2:05

Leave a rating if you listen. If you're one of our audio people, leave us a rating. Five stars, tell them in the in the in the rating, Anthony sounds sexy AF. I want to know what that tongue do.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

See, I was I was just thinking of five star, and then just like the worst thing you could ever possibly say.

SPEAKER_02 2:27

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SPEAKER_01 2:51

Yeah, I'm cool. Yeah, I'm cool. I'm cool, yeah. I'm good. I'm good. Yeah, I'm chilling, I'm good.

SPEAKER_02 2:57

How's that new? I'm good. How's that new Baja Cabo Citrus? That's what it is. It's cabo citrus, tropical citrus punch. Kaboo. That's a that's a that's an O. It's under the jet.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

That is a U. Oh, it is an O.

SPEAKER_02 3:16

See what I'm working with here, people? Well So to get this started, I give Ant here three yes or no questions um to kind of narrow down what we might be talking about, or possibly uh a location, something along those lines. He bounces all over the place. Um, I kind of thought he would kind of go to like a standard three questions, but he hasn't yet. Now, I will say this. In season zero, we were all over the globe. I was throwing darts anywhere and everywhere. We were talking about this monster, that monster. We went from the Philippines to Europe, to Africa, back to Europe, back to Europe, back to Europe, and then back to North America, and then back to Europe. We're we're in Europe a lot. But for season one, we've primarily focused on the North American content continent. So, are you ready, Anthony?

SPEAKER_01 4:07

Absolutely. Uh but what do you mean by standard questions?

SPEAKER_02 4:12

So I thought you were going to go into like uh you know how like have you ever done the wordle? No. You've never played Wordle? No. Do you do you know what Wordle is? Yes. Okay, so everybody comes up with like a standard word for the Wordle. Okay. Right? And it'd be like, I'm gonna put this in first because this is gonna give me a little bit of information, right? And I thought, like, you would come up with like three questions like, is it corporeal? Meaning, is it like physical? Or, you know, so that tells you we're either talking about something that has a physical body or talking about some kind of paranormal entity.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

You know, we're we're going at the ten dollar word, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

I'm not very corporeal. Yeah, um or you could, you know, you know, you could potentially, is it older than a hundred years old?

SPEAKER_01 5:03

Well, that's what I I say. Like, is it a demonic entity? You know?

SPEAKER_02 5:07

Yeah, but but demonic entity and ghost are two very different things. But if you said, does it have a physical form, then that takes it a little more.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

Well, I've been saying, like, is it bipedal? Is it lives underwater, or can it survive underwater?

SPEAKER_02 5:22

But I don't but you haven't really done the the same question multiple times to really like lock it in. And I think, uh hear me out, I think by the middle of the season, by the middle of the year, you're gonna have like two questions that are gonna be like the narrow down, like, oh go, because you'll be able to say, well, we talked about this, we talked about that.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

Is it ethereal? Excuse me. Is it ethereal? No. Okay. What does ethereal mean? No. Not on question. Spirit form, I'm assuming. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

Yeah, it kind of like same into the formula. Is it uh is it Yeah, okay. Does it have a physical form or is it in the ether?

SPEAKER_01 6:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

No, it is it is not in the ether.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

I'm going to say, I'm gonna ask, does this primarily hunt humans?

SPEAKER_00 6:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

Okay. Uh I'm going to ask, is this a very well-known fantasy creature? No. Really? No. Okay. See, alright, the that last question, the reason I had said that was because of the name that you gave me at the very beginning, and I was like, oh, well, last episode we did that with the hag. This one you said something about a goblin. And I was like, It was like, is it a goblin, you know? Something like that. So, no. Oh, well, now I'm stumped. And I forgot my other questions that I had asked. I asked if it was ethereal and if it primarily fed on humans. It does hunt, yeah, it hunts humans. Hunt humans. So, but that that could be a lot of things. But if it primarily hunts humans, I'm going to assume I'm going to say I'm gonna go with my safety pig and just say when to go.

SPEAKER_02 7:18

Close, but no.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

Yeah, wait close. You'll see.

SPEAKER_02 7:22

So, you ready for this story? Absolutely. Alright. This story is called Hunger That Sings. No houses, no traffic, just pale rock towers rising from the shoreline like the bones of something enormous buried in the earth. Tyler pulled up his truck onto the gravel and killed the engine. The silence rushed in immediately. He grabbed his camera and stepped into the cold night air. The wind carried the salty stink of the lake, and the faint odor of rot from dead brine flies along the shores. Alright, he whispered into the camera. Middle of nowhere, mono basin. Local stories talk about something that wanders these flats at night. The moon hung low and yellow. White rock spires cast long skeletal shadows across the ground, and for several minutes nothing happened. And Tyler heard it, a thin sound drifting across the lake. Singing. It was quiet at first, almost like someone humming with a mouth full of gravel. The melody was wrong, it had broken though. The notes dragged and cracked like dry brones rubbing together. Tyler frowned and turned towards the sound. Below, the singing stopped instantly. The silence afterward felt heavy, like something had been listening. Then came a faint crunch, footsteps slow. Tyler lifted the camera towards those rock towers. Something shifted between them. At first he thought it was a person walking through the rocks. Then the figure stepped into the moonlight. Tyler's breath caught in his throat. It was thin. Its body looked like a corpse that had been starved, its skin had stretched back onto a skeleton. Grey strips of flesh hung from its arms like rotting ribbons. Its ribs bulged outwards beneath tight skin that looked chewed and torn. Some of the ribs were even cracked. Others were missing chunks entirely. Dark blood had dried and black crust along its stomach. The creature's jaw hung open slightly. There were no lips, just exposed teeth slicked with something wet. It hummed softly as it walked. It sounded like a lullaby. The sound rattled out of the throat. It looked half collapsed. The skin there gnawed open to show glimpses of spine underneath. Tyler stumbled backwards. The creature stopped. Its head turned slowly towards two sunken eyes stared from the deep socket, and it sniffed. The sound it made was awful. A wet inhale hissed through broken sinus. The humming stopped. The creature spoke. The word gurgled through a throat full of clotted blood. Tyler turned and ran. Gravel sprayed behind him as he sprinted for the truck. Behind him the singing started again, but it was now louder, excited. Crotch, crutch, crutch! The footsteps were gaining. Tyler risked a glance over his shoulder. The skeletal thing was loping towards him on long jerky limbs, the stun its stomach splitting further with each movement. A long tear opened as its abdomen and something dark spilled out, loops of intestine dragged behind it in the dirt. It didn't slow down, it didn't seem to care. The creature simply grabbed the dangling organs with one skeletal hand and stuffed them into its mouth while running. The bones in its jaws cracked loudly as it chewed, and Tyler screamed and dove into the truck. He slammed the door and locked it. The creature slammed inside of the vehicle a second later. The impact rocked the truck violently. Tyler looked up. It stood in its head in the headlights now. Up close it was worse. Much worse. The flesh of its along its arm has been eaten down to bone in places. The exposed ribs were coated in old bite marks, as if the creature had gnawed on itself for years. The stomach cavity hung partially open. Something inside moved. The creature leaned towards the windshield, blood dripped from its chin. Then it smiled, if you could call that a smile, and began tapping on the glass with a long finger. Each tap left a smear of dark blood. Tyler jammed the key into the ignition, the engine roared to life, and as the truck lurched forward, the creature suddenly shrieked, and it lunged at the hood. Its face smashed against the windshield with a sickening crack, and for a split second, Tyler saw everything. The empty eye sockets, torn gums, the ragged throat moving as it tried to sing again. Then the truck hit it. The body rolled under the wheel with a wet snapping sound. Tyler sped down the road, heart pounding, leaving the lake far behind. Hours later, shaking in his apartment, he reviewed the footage from the camera. The video showed everything. The singing. The creature. The moment it slammed against the windshield, the final seconds of the recording made Tyler feel sick. Because after the truck drove away and the camera kept running, somewhere behind the microphone, very close to the lens, came a sound. A thin voice. A wet, hungry voice. And it was still singing.

SPEAKER_01 12:15

I'm stoned. I completely had a different thought of what it was. I thought it was when you said something about singing. What was the story name? Hunger That Sings. The Hunger That Sings. See, when you when you first said it, I was like, oh, uh I was thinking of like mermaids, nymphs, and stuff like that, but I'm pretty sure those are more European. There's a there surprisingly, there's a lot of those tales here in America. Well I know, but they I I'm assuming they originated. A lot of them do, yeah. You know. Uh, but then you started saying that this thing was on land, and now I just like I don't even know. The the picture that comes to mind is uh fiddlesticks.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

I've been playing a lot of league, and like I just have that that scarecrow, horror scarecrow, spindly.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

But it eating itself just because it can't uh this sounds like the um not the windigo, but the the other one that was more northern, like in Canada creature. Okay I forgot what the name of that one is. That's like the it's like the windigo. But they get like a frost heart and everything, the icy heart.

SPEAKER_02 13:34

Oh, oh, oh, that was the chinoo. The chinoo. Yeah, similar to the chinoo.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

It is similar to the chinoo and the wendigo. Because of the eating itself and the hunger, it's never satisfied. But I don't know. I I throw on the towel? I've got to. I don't know what this thing could be.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

It is very close to those two creatures. Yeah. So close that it is of Native American origin. Mmm. The one time I don't ask. So this is the Nin Tikati. Ninekata Ninne Tekati. Ninne tekati. Be careful now. Nini nini nine-ticati in the mono language, or more commonly referred to, because that word is very hard to say, the walking skeleton. Okay. It is a chilling figure in the folklore of the Mono people, that uh a lot of this is based out of the region bet like California, Nevada. Oh, okay. And that kind of in the the uh in the rocks.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

Right, yeah, yeah. Because when you said the desert too, I I started thinking, okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:46

It's a terrifying legend that has roots in the harsh realities of life in the Great Basin. The myth emerged as a cautionary tale warning against the dangers of extreme hunger and the lengths to which desperation can drive a person. The walking skeleton is described as a fearsome man-eating monster that was once human. According to the legend, this being was transformed into a walking skeleton after consuming its own flesh during a severe famine. The creature is said to have an insatia insatiable desire for human flesh, making it a constant threat to the living. One of the most terrifying aspects of the walking skeleton is the ability to cause death by simply to cause death simply by being seen or heard. Those who encounter the walking skeleton and hear its eerie singing or whistling are said to have fallen dead on the spot. Um now there are a couple origin stories that I saw. A lot of them link to it being like actually being a woman. Because in the Mono tribe, uh you kind of had uh multiple, like you had some witchcraft legends and stuff like that, and then when this came, um almost similar to like a banshee as well, like a high level of banshee because the singing like a Wendigo and a Banshee put together.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

Because you said that the singing can kill. The singing can kill, yeah. Yeah, so it can literally just go and then being primarily a woman as well, it being okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

So she she resorted to in famine chewing on herself, and then once she kind of did that, that curse of eating human flesh, she kind of then proceeded to become this thing. Um the cultural significance of this thing. The Ninne Teikati legend holds great cultural significance for the Mono people. It serves as a powerful reminder of the port and the importance of community and sharing resources, especially during times of scarcity. The tale also reflects the Mono's people's deep connection to their environment and the challenges they face in the harsh landscape around the mo around Mono Lake. The walking skeleton myth is a part of rich tradition in the storytelling among the Mono people. These stories often operate on multiple levels, providing not only entertainment but also valuable lessons about living in harmony with the land and its resources. The walking skeleton legend in particular may have served as a way to discourage selfish behavior and promote cooperation within their community. Um, such folklore plays a crucial role in preserving traditional knowledge and values. The walking skeleton myth, like other stories in the mono repertoire, helped to sustain a proper order that has been arranged long ago, connecting present generations to their ancestors and the lands they've inhabited for centuries. This is that's literally all the history I could really find on this thing. That it is an oral tradition that's been passed down from generation to generation to generation within the Mono people that talk about a woman who ate herself and went crazy doing it, and then proceeded to eat other people. Also, cautionary tale, hey, don't be a dick. Share your food. We don't need to make another skeleton.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 18:01

Yeah, once it kind of goes back again to cannibalism, which is just insanity to me that so many cultures quite literally have the don't eat your friends, don't eat yourself, biting's bad.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Right. Yeah, and then to and I'm assuming in this one, like you said, is to show the importance of sharing within a human.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

You have you have to take care of your fellow man. Pop culture-wise, this monster actually came from my wife. The only thing I could find pop culture-wise, and I I mean this like the idea of this thing running around this desert landscape around this lake, just like killing people and eating them was like terrifying to me. And I'm like, dude, like we got to have like, you know, like the Wendigo came into like pop culture, like, you know, kind of blew up over like I felt like the Wendigo blew up over like a series of like two years. But then you have this thing, and I'm like, this thing is almost to me even more scary. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Like, it can kill you with singing, it can lure you in and just be like, Well, it I I also think it's because the Wendigo shadows it, but then it's also potentially a Banshee, but a Banshee uh because of the singing, right? A Banshee shadows it. So it's like you got these other creatures that it could be that just are more popular.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

And I also think with the Wendigo, the story is in a bigger it's I want to say it was the Algonquin people, which incorporates a lot of tribes.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

Oh, so it was just I think it was more passed around.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

Okay, whereas this is like the mono tribe. Yeah, one one very specific tribe.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

Yeah, one region.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

Um, but like I said, my wife, we were laying in bed, and she's like, Oh, I'm reading this book, and I have a monster for you. Uh-huh. And I was like, the fuck? Like, what? And she was like, write this down. And I was like, okay. So I wrote it down. Um, this was mentioned in the Final Girl Support Group, a novel by Grady Hendricks, which I am currently reading another one of her books, which is My Best Friend's Exorcism, which has been very interesting so far. I'm only about a fifth of the way through the book, but it's been fun. So, yeah, that's the only pop culture that I could find like regarding this. I found like a couple uh like YouTube videos where they literally were like the same thing, and then I found like two other websites that talk about this thing.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Because what's because what this thing also starts to transform into is essentially a zombie. Yeah. You know, I mean a ghoul. Or ghoul as well. Yeah. Uh but if you want to be like uh overshadowed with like entertainment or pop culture wise, yeah, zombie would be like the more at because of it starves for like it's always starving, its gut's hanging out, it'll eat itself. Yeah, that's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_02 21:06

Like it punctured its its abdomen and its intestines spell out, and it's just chewing on them. Yeah, all right. So, this I changed up the way then the scenario goes, okay? Okay. To make this a little more fun, okay? So you're at Mono Lake. Okay. You're camping. The moon is out, this beautiful stargazing weather, there's a cool breeze, you were f you were in peace, right? Yeah, absolutely. At first you hear the singing drifting across the lake. A thin and broken, like someone humming through the throat that barely works, and it echoes through these rock pillars, Herbert.

SPEAKER_01 21:45

No, I was thinking of like it being on a G JBL and it's just fetty wow.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

1738. Alright, then you see movement. A tall figure steps from steps from behind one of those pale rock towers, the moonlight revealing something horrifying. The creature looks like a human skeleton wrapped in raggedy grey flesh, its ribs outwards torn its ribs jut outwards through torn skin, and some of them shooed and splintered as if it's been gnawing on its own body for years. Dark blood stains its chest. Its lips are gone, rows of exposed teeth clack softly together as it hums. Something wet hangs from its stomach, long loops of intestines dragging the ground. The creature stops, tilts its heads towards you, sniffs the air, and the singing stops. So I made rules. You quickly realize several things. The creature moves slowly at first, but it can suddenly sprint with terrifying speed. Okay. It seems to be drawn to movement and sound. The closer it gets, the louder the humming becomes, almost like it's excited. Its body is thin and damaged, but it does not seem to feel pain easily. Okay? Okay. Your car is 80 yards away, but the creature is already between you and the shoreline path to get back to the car. Okay? So you're here, car's here 80 yards away, the creature's 40 yards here. And it's moving toward you. Okay. You have your backpack and your pockets, and in them you have your flashlight, a folding knife, a flare gun, a metal water bottle, a phone at low battery, and a lighter. Okay. Around you are the rock formations. So in Mono Lake, they have like these stalagmites.

SPEAKER_01 23:23

Right. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

Uh like formations of rocks. Okay. Some loose gravel on the beach, a few broken branches of driftwood, and deep shadows between the rock towers. So as the moon is casting light towards this thing, right? So the moon's behind you, you have where these stalagmites are whole like held up, they're casting shadows across, but you can see this thing clearly in the moonlight.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

Okay. So is there a lake?

SPEAKER_02 23:53

There's a lake right next to you.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

How close, how far away is it from from am I from the lake? 30 feet. 30 feet, he's 20 feet. He's 20 yards. Oh, 20 yards, okay.

SPEAKER_02 24:05

Uh or 40, 40 yards moving towards you pretty quickly. Like it's it's you you see it like and then you hear the neck crick and it moves a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 24:15

But it's like flashlight, flare, folding knife, and a lighter.

SPEAKER_02 24:21

So flashlight, folding knife, flare gun, metal water bottle, your phone on a low battery, and a lighter. Okay. Giving you options of making you think, huh?

SPEAKER_01 24:31

Absolutely. So what I would do is I would immediately. Okay. I'm I'm I'm not gonna use the flashlight. Okay. Not using the lighter. Okay. I'm going to be using the I'll keep the the folding knife on me. Okay. At all times. I'm going to use the phone and the flare gun. What I'm going to do is I'm going to immediately put on, like, get ready to put like music playing as much as I can. Okay. And then I am shooting a flare, not at him, but to the side of him to make him look that way. Right? And then I'm throwing the phone with the sound towards like treeline or rocks or somewhere in the shadow. And what I'm going to do. Or either at my feet or to the left of me, and then immediately run to the water. Okay. Because I'm going to we're gonna see if the Because I don't know how fast this thing can swim in water, but I feel like because of its intestines and everything, it's slower, way slower in water. Or it can't even swim. It just sinks. Okay. But I'm thinking if I can get into the water and then go around it, but it's distracted by either this the sound and or the sight of the flare gun that maybe I can divert it away. Okay. Instead of trying to fight the same, but I'm gonna keep the knife as a last resort. Okay. And that's that's that's what I'm gonna do to get back to the car. To get back to the car. Interesting. Yes. Uh interesting. So I don't I don't necessarily know like if this thing could swim.

SPEAKER_02 26:17

I would say no. Yeah, you would, because then it it can't get you on the water. Yeah, I I would say these are things So so this is this is my my thought process on on your what you're doing, right? You shoot the flare, it distracts it for a second, you throw the phone, it distracts it for a second, right? You start splashing, it immediately is going to turn and then like like skitter. Like, and that this is the way I view this creature, right? It stumbles like a zombie, right? It stumbles. But the second it gets eyes locked on to its prey.

SPEAKER_01 26:56

Like day Z zombies or Z zombies or I don't even think like Daisy is not Daisy, but uh Dying Lion not Dying Lion, but uh what's the yeah 28 Days Later? I was gonna say that or Left for Dead.

SPEAKER_02 27:13

Yeah, so you know how they kind of move real fast? Yeah. This this to me would move more like uh I'm trying to think of of of a creature that like like sprints. Yeah. Yeah, World War Z. Well, it's not just like a doo doo doo doo doo. It is like a like a like a broken, very like like skittery, almost like a giant spider running at you.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

You know what I mean? But that's the best I could do. I mean, I don't know what I but that but that's the thing. If it can't swim, it's just gonna skirt the lake trying to get to you.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

Could I not just go to the other side of the lake or swim?

SPEAKER_02 27:55

Mono Lake is huge. Oh like from what I could tell, hold on, let me look it up real quick. Just uh Yikes. Okay, well, then maybe I should have kept the phone and then like try to see if I could call someone like yo, I need to get airlifted out or Mono Lake is an ancient highly saline and out and alkaline lake in California. It covers approximately sixty-f70 square miles. It is roughly 13 miles long and nine miles wide with an average depth of 43 to 57 feet and a maximum depth of 159 feet. So it's quite large.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

So I'm gonna be honest with you.

SPEAKER_02 28:40

Brother, if you say I'm gonna swim nine miles, I'm taking you to the pool and I'm gonna make you swim nine miles.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

I think I can do that. I don't think you can. I think I can do that because you're underestimating the human adrenaline of fear. I think you're really underestimating how much fear can make you go. I don't think so. I think that you can swim the human body would let me go. It my brain receptors would unleash all my muscles to just brother.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 29:14

I am not Michael Phelps up in there. I I am gone. Yeah, you think I'm gonna get a cramp on my shit.

SPEAKER_02 29:23

You're gonna get a chest cramp and immediately go and then that hand's gonna reach in and pull you up. Um that that's the whole thing. It's like I feel like in that scenario it's gonna skirt back and forth. Now, granted, I make the fucking scenarios, so I have thought processes that he doesn't get. So what I'm doing is I'm shooting the motherfucker in the chest with a flare gun, right? And hoping that it catches on fire because it's a dried out old body. Thump. And then I gotta deal with a fire thing. I'm also probably climbing or attempting to climb one of the rock pillars with the folding knife so I can just stab down at it as it tries to climb up. I can just like I'm sure it doesn't feel pain. I'm sure it doesn't feel pain either, but if I can take its teeth and its fans, like I'm gonna do that.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

I mean, if you could uh get its lower jaw, if you could break up or cut off its lower jaw, and then it's it's you only have to worry about its uh finger. Like I'm sure they're probably s strong or sharper to that's the only thing you need to worry about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:29

But I I mean I don't I res I respect you using the gear. But it's I fuck with that heart.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

That's what I was thinking. I was like, there's Oh, the water bottle. I was gonna keep that as like a uh a DONG. Yeah, it was.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

Well put it in his mouth.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

I was I was gonna fill it with water while I'm swimming, and then if the thing comes to me, I can shove it in his mouth so that I don't get bit, you know say? That's true. I mean it's but again, you would have to be a little bit more.

SPEAKER_02 30:59

Have you ever heard somebody drop like a hydro flask? It's like, yeah. You just crack it in the head with that.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

But like, you need to how accurate is a is a flare gun, truthfully?

SPEAKER_02 31:13

Probably pretty accurate at 20 yards. I don't know. I gotta get a flare gun now. We'll try it. It's one of those things where That's what we we can film that for Patreon. Check that out. Come coming soon. We'll take one of my Halloween skeletons, we'll dress it up, and then we'll put it out there and then we'll shoot it with a flare gun. Just to see. And just to see at 20 yards if I could hit it.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

Okay. I'm so I'm down.

SPEAKER_02 31:34

So you're just getting in the water and rest. Trying to get back to the car. That's obviously the right choice. Evade. Evade and try to get back to the car. Yeah. I mean I'm just hoping because like my whole thing is if if this thing comes out of the rocks at night and I'm out here camping, I'm the only one fucking there, like, is I'm hoping it has an aversion to sunlight, and I just have to fight it off till morning. Yeah, I mean And maybe there's like maybe if I climb one of these rock formations, maybe there's like a chunk of rock I can just use as like a hammer and just really throw it at it.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

If Minecraft taught me anything, you're saved by the d uh sun. Yeah. Actually.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

So, you ready for this? Sure. Welcome to the monster movie maker moment. Brought to you by the Ghost Moves Podcast. Today, we're talking about the Nin Tikati. The walking skeleton of the Mono people legend. The Mono people m myth? Myth? Myth coming from the Mono people of California. Alright, you you think about it. Yeah, I absolutely nothing. I So there's no movies. Yeah. Obviously about this thing. I had just like the darkest, grittiest fucking movie. Where, um, have you seen the clip of the guy who's like like in the super claustrophobic space and he looks up and there's like a woman there smiling at him that's all decrepit, and he like freaks out and he blinks and he's gonna and she's gone. Like, he's crawling through the crawl space of his house, right? And he looks over and that's there, and it disappears that fast. Boom, right? You ever been in a crawl space? Like, bam, that quick.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

I've seen I've seen that uh scene.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

So I had this idea of a movie where a couple goes to Mono Lake, right? They're on their way out there, and I have the idea is you have the the car coming up, right? And you have the headlights, and then you see the like the skeletal ankles step out, and then the like it turns towards the car, and the car locks up, and then you just see it, right? Get hit, and then you like the car slides over top of the camera, right? And then you just see the red lights and you see like the tire marks, right? Yeah, and you can hear the like, oh my god, and you hear the car shut off and people get out, and they run around and like feet, and then the camera kind of starts panning towards them, and it's a man and a woman, and he's like, Oh my god, I didn't see her, blah blah blah. Where'd you, you know, what happened, where'd she go, where'd she go? And they're looking for this woman that they just smoked, right? And like all of a sudden he screams, she gets back in the car and drives off, right? Okay, so then um, there's a series of uh oh, I'm gonna have to get fucking rid of that because that shit just keeps popping up and freaking me the fuck out. Um, so from there, like you have the story goes, like the reporting goes crazy that this guy and his girlfriend went out, like he got mauled by a mountain line or something, just drug his ass off, and there was like no fucking whatever. And the police refuse to go up there because it is protected by the Native American. It's a reservation, and they're like, like, you don't understand, like, there's public access, and they're like, Yeah, we get that, but we don't go, like, we're not gonna go investigate it. Obviously, it was a mountain lion, like, nothing's gonna drag your husband, like your boyfriend off like that, like, whatever. Q podcaster comes in, he's like, Oh shit, like this could be my big break. We could figure out what happened to this guy, right? Like, he's like a true crime pro podcaster. So he pairs up with this chick who everybody's like, Hey, you're crazy, like take the L girl, like your boyfriend's gone.

SPEAKER_00 35:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

So he goes up there and starts trying to like talk to the mono tribe and like talk to the people, talk to the elders, and they're just like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like, get the fuck out. So he goes up there to recreate at night and he sees it, right? Okay, but the thing chases him into like because it's all Rocky. So he runs, runs, like is running from it, like tries to get back in his car, can't get back in the car, the thing's approaching the car, he runs past it, and then he hides in like an outcropping of a cave, right? Right. So he's like there, and then the thing comes and then he backs up, backs up, backs up, backs up, and then he's basically like it's pushing him into the cave, and then so then he like gets down and he starts backing up this way, and then all of a sudden it runs off, but then it's like a cat and mouse game while he's crawling around trying to get out, as this thing is using the tunnels around him to try to like lure him, and then he's finding like human bones, like like skulls and stuff where this thing has been feeding right and eating and eating and eating. And eventually the girl comes up and finds him and they save him, right? Pulls him out, it's like, oh my god, like he's like, No, you don't understand, we gotta get the fuck out of here. Like, this shit's crazy. So they leave, but when they go to leave, the uh the the Native Americans kind of like stop them. They're like, hey, like, sorry, you can't leave. Like now you know our our our problem. Like this this thing has been existing here. And it's like, well, what do you mean this thing has been existing here? And then they tell the story and they have like this really gnarly flashback, right? Right. And you see a Native American woman who's they're obviously starving, right? And she just is like sitting there like like just dry, cracked lips, like they're dehydrated, they're starving. And she just looks down and she just starts chewing on her nail, right? And she just takes a too big of a bite and just like ugh, and then just like starts sucking on her finger and like sucking the blood, and then she just have to take another little bite, and she just keeps doing that again and again, and then all of a sudden she's down into her like the webbing of her hand, and she just swamps down, eats, and then like sped up, like she bites off her own tongue, swallows that, like, and she's just eating herself, like biting her lips off, and it's just like this super like gritty, like like really choppy camera, like almost like it's under a like a strobe light as she's doing it to herself.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

Oh, I was even thinking like having it to where like she's sitting at a fire and the camera's behind, so you just see her back in the fire. Oh yeah, I like that too. You just hear the marching.

SPEAKER_02 38:14

And then like, what are you eating? She turns around, her lips are gone, teeth are all bloody, there's blood all down, her tongue's gone, she's chewing on her hand, and she's just like, Oh, I was hungry. You know, because she now she doesn't have a tongue, she can't really talk. And they're like, Oh my god, and then she runs off into the desert to like, and then she becomes the the walking skeleton. And come to find out, like, the the the leader of the tribe, it's like his great great great grandmother. And so, like, every so often people come up to the lake and they just kind of let her just do her thing, and that's where she's dragging them all back into, is this cave, and she's eating them, right? And so they're like, So we can't let you go because it incriminates us, because we know this monster's here, but it's one of our this one of our oldest members. Like, we can't let you kill us.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

Um not even like a ritual sacrifice. Not a ritual, sorry, not a ritual sacrifice, but uh just a human sacrifice to appease it.

SPEAKER_02 39:17

I don't even think it's like that. I think it's just like we turned a blind eye every now and again so it can live. Oh. And it's like, oh my god. Because it doesn't fuck with the tribe, it only fucks with the outsiders. Oh, okay. Because that's kind of how like the barriers have been set up. Okay. So they end up kind of like they end up kind of like pushing it back, like pushing them back towards the cave, right? And the thing comes out and it pulls them into the cave, right? The people, the people leave while they're scampering, trying to get around it, you know, like kick it in the face, you know, like uh it's biting on them, it's doing all this stuff, trying to attack them. And then they uh they hit it and they it stops moving, like smoke it in the head with a rock, it's down, right? You know, twitching, like they think they've won. They're like, okay, we got it. They've they know the way out, they crawl out, right? They're all gored up, they're all covered in bones. She found her boyfriend, like his coat is all shredded up, like it's obviously him, like bits of his, you know, hair is like I had a like just this visceral image where like it bit down and like pulled cheek out and like pulled, so like his eyes still hanging there and the flesh is like off of his face, right? It's a skull, but like all the meat's still hanging there, like it's got his necklace on, like, scalp is pulled off and intact, but you can tell like this thing has just been like like munched into his head and his brains are gone, like just really just grow grotesque, like broken body. And then um, they get out. They're all like cut up from the rocks and crawling around, their elbows are all scored up, faces are all cut. Um, maybe one of them took like a gnarly like claw slash across the face, and like their foreheads bleed and been bleeding down the side of their face. They're like, oh, okay, it's over with. And then you just see the hands reach out and grab the dude's ankles and just drop him and just yank, and then just like you just see the like the rocks cut them all up, gore line as he just drug down into the cave, and she screams, and then the movie ends. Like, she got out, he dies, like reporter, podcaster, true crime guy dies. But I wanted to have like that undertones of like it's gotta be true crime, I'm gonna help her find her thing, but then they discover something on the more supernatural side, right? And like, boom. Dang, okay. That's yeah, I see that. But I just had this like hard gore, like like just the most yeah, I can picture this thing like coming up to their to to the car and like doing the tap tap tap, like wanting to get in. It walks over and it's like trying to figure out because it's old, and so it's like trying to figure out the door handles and it's like shaking on the car, and the car shaking, and then it's just like it walks around and looks and looks and looks and looks and looks, and then it crawls up on the car and then down or crowds the car. Yeah, and then it gets up and it just is looking in the pass like in the window, and it just goes and just like blows the window out with his head head and it's like oh god. Like, because that's the thing. I don't want it to be like sentient in terms of like well no, it's driven by instinct. Yeah, exactly. It is a it is a is a hunter through and through, but it just knows that it doesn't hunt these people. Yeah, like it doesn't hunt the the these people because it knows it's people.

SPEAKER_01 42:43

It is familial, uh familial instincts as well. It's like yeah, I got you. I was uh going on a similar route of being very horror-wise. I was actually thinking about it being towards the uh I I don't think it's called I don't know if it was the Oregon Trail. No, no, no. Sorry. The game? Not that. Yeah, it was based off of the um the journey or whatever. The Trail of Tears. Trail of Tears, I couldn't think of it for uh not that, sorry. But it was the during the expansion of the pilgrims moving to the west.

SPEAKER_02 43:20

Okay, right as as European settlers moved west.

SPEAKER_01 43:23

European settlers settlers going at, and they're more going to the west, and I would see like this group maybe they go through and then of course they meet the mono tribe during its time. And I would say that even they they exchange because they have the tradition of helping communities and they help these new settlers because they've shown kindness, and even the settlers showed kindness because they're tired of all the fighting. Yeah, they've had their own deals of war on the east side, that's why they're escaping to the west. And I kind of want to have it like that. And so they've lost like a cowboy horror. Yes, and then and Lost so much, especially their the guy's daughter, right? Okay. She's in full like depression, like eyes and she hasn't eaten for days. She has not eaten for days. The and you know, they're talking to the settler, uh, to the the tribe, they're offering food feast, and she, you know, refuses, and they kind of like side-eye her a little bit and just kind of start wearing like keep trying to pass her stuff, like hey, eat here's here's some here's some chili, some vegetables, here's stuff. Yeah. And you know, just even when she like she doesn't take it, she just like she can't fathom it because she's had so much loss, depression, or whatever. But you know, they go into the storytelling of all this stuff, and they talk about a creature of based off of cannibalism instead, but they don't go into full details about it. Anyway, she starts getting bad. Like she starts getting the symptoms of hunger. Yeah. Um that's kind of how I wanted like it to start transforming as they start because they leave the tribe, they carry on, but the tribe starts noticing a lot more symptoms as in like the nails are starting to get down or whatever. Her lips, of course, crushing like you said, and you're like, a lot more saturated exactly, like they see her doing like that a lot of the times, and but you can just have this picture of okay, we need to move on. They go and the tribe just all gathers together and just looks at them as they leave because they know something that's happening.

SPEAKER_02 45:46

And I okay, I just had I just had like an epiphany like horror movie, right? Europeans like settlers into Western expansion, right? You have the cowboys, you have all this stuff, right? Yes, they come across, they meet the tribe. Yeah. The tribe does have legends of witchcraft. Yes, they inflict this guy's daughter with the witchcraft where she doesn't eat, or like all food that she eats tastes terrible to her.

SPEAKER_03 46:20

Right. Oh, and she's like project vomits or something.

SPEAKER_02 46:23

Like just gets violently ill until she the human flesh, yeah. Until she human fleshes it, and she's like starving, but then you would have the sickest fucking like like Western, like, you know how sinners did like southern gangsters coming from Chicago, yeah, fighting vampires? You could have literally have like cowboys fighting zombies, like, or fighting a supernatural zombie, right?

SPEAKER_01 46:51

Oh yeah. Like, and it's just like the cowboy Indian versus like the the zombies uh uh situation. Uh I kind of wanted to have it like that, right? Especially the witchcraft could could happen.

SPEAKER_02 47:06

Uh but that's like the inkling of like, hey, we're just like we don't want them here. We're gonna we're gonna give them a little bit of a blight.

SPEAKER_01 47:14

I wouldn't say all of them. I would say maybe a more scornful member of the tribe is like just hates these settlers because they she's remembered them or whatever from the early days, yeah. And so she just witchcraft.

SPEAKER_02 47:30

Yep, I'm gonna I'm gonna delve into the dark arts. I'm gonna blight this poor little girl. She's gonna lose her fucking mind, she's gonna starve to death, and he's gonna have to watch, and then she's like starting nibbling, and then that's the one.

SPEAKER_01 47:42

Yeah, because she was already at like depressed and everything, like full to all in depression, eye sunken, could tell like you haven't slept well.

SPEAKER_02 47:51

You could oh my god. You know, did you ever watch Evil Dead? Yes, like the remake where the girl like licks the knife and splits her tongs yes, yes. So you could have it like that kind of grit. You know what I mean? Like they're all dirty, they're all this, they're all that, and then you just look over and she just like just bites down on her lip and it's just blood. I would even have it to where like someone Sam Ramey direct this movie.

SPEAKER_01 48:15

I was even thinking, too, is that some of the Indian tribe members are like they want to help these people, but like the only way to get rid of that is that they have to kill her. Yeah, like they're they're they have to kill her before she turns. Exactly. There's there's no reverse, they're so reluctant to do it. And he's like tries to protect her, so now it's like this hunt, like they're on the run now because he's thinking they're just hunting them down because they're settlers, yeah. You know, of course, and it's just another tribe versus settlers war, and he's just tired of it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:47

But in reality, is they're trying to save that man because or save the even the group, whatever, because she's turning into the second she becomes it, she's immortal, and like she's not gonna die to to to to knives, bows, and gunfire.

SPEAKER_01 49:04

No, I would even say that they would probably have like a uh tradition of they would have to cut off its head, its limbs, bury it, burn it. Yeah. Probably would be in part of its tradition. I don't know it.

SPEAKER_02 49:21

They're this this also kind of reminds me of um the tones in the uh was it Abigail, I think was the movie name. It was about the guys who it's a crew of criminals who are uh paid to go kidnap this like trillionaire, billionaire, whatever, his daughter, and they hold her for ransom. And she tend like they turn out like she be she's a vampire, uh, and she just starts shredding them the fucking death. Like, yeah, but I'm like, dude, like that's kind of like a cool because you could have like that teenage girl who's like, yeah, like maybe her mom died on the on the trail, and she's already a little like that's why she's yeah, she's susceptible to the witchcraft because she's already in a dark place.

SPEAKER_01 50:08

Older brother, yeah. He's lost his son, so he doesn't want to lose another kid as well.

SPEAKER_02 50:12

So he's super protective, he gets there, he's trying. The other person's like, no, well, your people killed my like well, like your people, not like, yeah, I get my people might have killed your two people, but your people killed thousands of my people, so blight, and then boom.

SPEAKER_01 50:30

Yeah, but they never meet the witch. I I don't want this to to they meet the witch or whatever because the curse. Maybe towards the end they understand like how it happened. Yeah. Uh because they see signs of witchcraft on her. Even the tribe members in the end, they see it and they're like, we gotta cast her out for even attempting this. Um but I would say that there's probably a scene too where he's backed up to a corner of of like a rock uh formation, and she's behind him and he and he's like torch, maybe even a gun with like a bullet left.

SPEAKER_03 51:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:04

And they're it's like a group of the uh the Indians or whatever the mono tribe just like trying to like we're ready, and like he's like, I'm I'm gonna defend her with my life. This is my daughter, whatever. And then in the back, you just see her like she starts crying, and he's like, it starts like the sound starts being muffled because she's chewing on her tongue. Yeah, and he's just like crying, and then the hair, the the black hair goes down over, and then she looks up, and it's just like he could tell like these eyes of just yeah, and she jumps onto him, he loses the pistol, but like it in the end it would it would almost be cool if you saw the witchcraft happen, you saw the witch, right?

SPEAKER_02 51:48

Yeah, um, she thinks she's gotten away with it. They watch him die, right? They try to enter the the tribe watches the guy die, tries to intervene, but then they're like, Hey, you made this, go deal with it, and they force her to face this thing.

SPEAKER_01 52:03

No, I actually I want him to be like survive, right? Uh-huh. Because uh they they get her off, they don't kill her because she gets runs off, yeah, but she knows the witch. She like feels it, yeah, and she goes back to the tribe, but like on the way, she's just leaving this blood path of like carcasses, it's just ripping her. She's ripping herself apart, ripping, yeah, ripping herself apart, but like it meets like some of the Indians on the way as well, that or some of the tribe members that are on the way to help, and then she meets she goes through like the camp or whatever, but like the father's like, what just happened, blah blah blah blah. We gotta go kill her. And I would see it as like using that final bullet on her, maybe to stop her. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:52

Where either chooses the witch and he just had a really interesting shot in my mind for that little girl and the witch going at it, right? Where it's shot from the lake, right? And the lake's like glass still. So you have the two of them on the shoreline, uh-huh, off in the distance. You can see both of them, and you can see the reflections in the water like pulling far back to you, right? And then she just and just trucks her, and then it's just gore. Yeah. And then like the water starts to like dilute because of the blood spilling into the water, and it starts just like cascading out, and she's just in there just ripping intestines. And like you see like an arm flip off, like um.

SPEAKER_01 53:32

And that's where but that's also where I would like to see the father come up and find her just goring her, and then he just absolutely sends it.

SPEAKER_02 53:42

You could you could do it in such a way, right? That happens, and he limps off, right? Drops the gun, he limps off, right? Just still hurt, right? And then um credits roll, whatever, or maybe he goes back and he sits down with the tribe and they kind of induct him into the tribe, whatever, right? Credits roll, end credit. Moon's rule low. You have the all the lighting, like all the silhouettes of everything, and you see her just like sit up, and you can just see like her mouth open, like nose gone, like you can see almost like the exit wound just like blew out the front of her face, and it's just like the skeleton getting up, and then she just like creaks up and just walks off. It's like oh fuck.

SPEAKER_01 54:26

Absolutely, yeah. That's that's kind of where I was going with it when I heard about like the tribe, and then I was just thinking about ooh, the western movement of you know, yeah, new settlement and all that, because that that was the original, like I dig it. We're getting away, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:42

So I dig it. I would love to see a western, like a cowboy horror film like that. That would be a fucking sick.

SPEAKER_01 54:50

Cause that's how the sinners was as well, is like it started all as well as uh hunting down this vampire, the Indian tribe, whatever. Yeah, they were hunting them down, and I was like, oh, I would love to have that aspect in there too in the movie, but it they didn't really touch upon it as well.

SPEAKER_00 55:07

I didn't I didn't think that I didn't hate it, but I also was like they necessarily needed it to be like it was more of like, oh, that's a plus.

SPEAKER_02 55:18

I think it yeah, it added to the time. Because that was kind of the other thing, too, is with sinners that you felt like you were watching two different movies. No, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:26

So don't get me wrong, the entire movie was amazing. It was amazing.

SPEAKER_02 55:30

I just thought, oh, you wanted more Native American kind of movies.

SPEAKER_01 55:35

Well, no, when I saw that it had Native Americans in it, I was like, oh, that would be pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 55:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:41

But it it is what it is, and I still enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_02 55:45

They spent too much on Michael B. Jordan and made him a made him play two parts. They swear, like they paid too much, though.

SPEAKER_01 55:52

They had double his salary, you know.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

Yeah. But yeah. That was that was kind of my like, I wanted that grisly, like, hey, we got out, like the descent tunnels almost, like, hey, we did it, we're out. No, we're not. And then like old girl just like Yeah. As you hear just like the cracking of this dude dying. Yeah. And then we're gonna do it. It wins, it always wins, the bad guy wins.

SPEAKER_01 56:18

That's all I got for mine. And uh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:21

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SPEAKER_01 56:28

That's uh that's gonna be it for the Ghosts and Ghouls episode of this. The uh I forgot what the name of the story is. Ninny Ticati. Ninny Ticati.

SPEAKER_02 56:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:41

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SPEAKER_02 57:24

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SPEAKER_01 57:30

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