Blood in the Trough | Ghost & Ghouls Ep 16 | Season 1

When Evan and Marissa started their drive through the Vermont countryside, they never would have  expected him to show up in the middle of the road....

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to the Ghost and Ghouls podcast. I'm your host, Tyler, and with me I have the undead star of such films as Knight of the Giving Head, 28 Lays Later, and uh The Graveyard Smash and Pass, my co-host Anthony.

SPEAKER_02 0:15

I'm the director?

SPEAKER_00 0:16

No, you're the star. I'm the star? In such films as Knight of the Giving Head, 28 Lays Later, and The Graveyard Smash and Pass. Ghost and Ghouls! If you're new here, this is how this works. I'm gonna read Anthony here, a fictional horror story that I've come up with about some weird cryptid creature, paranormal entity, extraterrestrial event, something or another monster thing, undue dead ghoul, goes something. Where he gets where I've removed all the names of the creature and replaced it with descriptions. Then he gets to guess and figure out what we're talking about. Then we're gonna go over its history and use some pop culture, if any, a little uh what would you do, choose your own, choose your own adventure books. Oh. You remember those? A little choose your own adventure book, and finally our monster movie maker moment where us two knuckleheads will come together and come up with one, two, three, maybe five uh wonderful uh horror movie ideas about the creature we're talking about, and uh Hollywood pick us up.

SPEAKER_02 1:29

Uh, you know what? We can make our own Hollywood.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

Anthony really wants to meet uh No, we can make our own Hollywood. Um Riley Reed.

SPEAKER_02 1:41

Um I'm not meeting it.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Um what's another porn star?

SPEAKER_02 1:48

Body blue me clue.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

And he really wants to to to work with uh what's that dude's name? Miami Pete. Who? Miami Pete. Never heard of the Epstein dude, the Epstein lookalike. Palm Beach Pete, that's it. He really wants to meet Palm Beach Pete. No, that's not even Hollywood. Yeah, but he's got money, it's fucking Epstein.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

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SPEAKER_00 2:55

All the mess ups, me slurring through words.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

Yeah. Our arguments, technical difficulties, everything.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

Our discussion about Palm Beach Pete.

SPEAKER_02 3:08

Uh we don't discuss him.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

Daily.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

We do never, we never.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

Alright, so to start this off, Ant gets three yes or no questions to kind of narrow down what we might be talking about. And then he gets a little shot in the dark guest to uh see if he can off-rip get what this creature might be. Um so for season zero, we were all over the globe. We were just kind of picking whatever seemed cool. Um this season, season one, we got 52 weeks of North America. We've been primarily in the States because that's pretty much where all the research lies for me, and it's kind of like the easiest way I can find like film and movies and stuff regarding a lot of these things. So it's kind of what I just kind of keep doing. But we're gonna branch out here in a couple weeks.

SPEAKER_04 3:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:56

I got a couple more on my on my list that it seemed really, really fun. Ten more weeks and we'll be halfway done. That hurts my brain. So three yes or no questions there, big boy.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

Okay, so first of all, I think the biggest thing that does help is is this thing of native origin? No. Okay, so this kind of lowers this. Is this thing a type of spirit or demonic spirit? Is this a type of spirit? No. Is this a closely related creature that we've done? No. Okay. Now it's my turn to remember all the creatures that we have done. So let's see. Uh, that is. That was such a terrible one, actually.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

Well, I don't know, man, because there's like 60 different Bigfoot variants out there.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

That's what I was saying. Uh, you know, that's why I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Yeah, no, eventually I'm gonna run out. I'm just gonna have to do Bigfoots. Bigfoot?

SPEAKER_02 4:59

Well, I feel like you can go through SCPs.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

Yeah, that'll be a later season.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

No, because some of them are America.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

Yeah, no, no. What I'm saying is SCPs will just be like we're gonna have a whole season about SCPs.

SPEAKER_02 5:13

Oh, just SCPs. And just SCPs.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

I already I already started thinking brainstorming that one too.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

Yeah, I'm thinking next season two for 2027, I think we're gonna go to Asia. But yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:28

Oh I'm gonna go ahead and guess the windigo.

SPEAKER_00 5:33

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

You ready? Yeah, sure, yeah. Alright. This story is called Blood in the Trough. The locals in rural Vermont never called it by name. They just say don't drive that road after midnight. Daniel laughed when the old cashier warned him. He tossed a pack of gum onto the counter and glanced at Marissa. We'll be fine, he says. It's just backwoods ghost stories. Marissa didn't laugh. The woman's eyes had lingered too long, not dramatic, just tired. Like she'd watched people ignore that warning before. Still they went. The road was barely a road at all, just a narrow strip of cracked asphalt cutting through the dense forest. The trees leaned inwards, their branches knitting together overhead like ribs. The headlights tunneled through the darkness, catching glimpses of rotting fences and collapsing barns swallowed by the woods. No houses, no lights, no sounds. Even the crickets had gone silent. Okay, Marissa said, hugging her jacket tighter. This is officially a bad idea. Daniel forced a grin. That's the fun part, right? But his foot eased off the gas. Something felt wrong. Not scary, but like they were being watched. The radio crackled. A sudden burst of static shattered the silence, and Daniel reached for the dial, frowning. I did the static shifted. Not random, layered, like breath dragging through something wet. Then a voice, low and hoarse. Turn around. Marissa froze. Daniel, I heard it. Too late and the radio cut dead. The car filled with silence again. But it wasn't empty silence anymore. It felt occupied. That's when they saw him standing in the road. Not an animal, but a man. At least that's what Daniel thought at first. Tall, broad-shouldered, naked, except for ragged strips of cloth hanging from his waist. His posture was wrong. Too still. Arms hanging loosely at his sides, fingers slightly curled, like he'd forgotten how to use them. His head was bowed. Hey! Daniel called out, rolling the car to a stop a few yards away. You okay, man? The figure didn't respond. Marissa grabbed Daniel's arm. Don't, something's wrong. And she was right. Slowly the man lifted his head, and the headlights washed over his face, and the illusion broke. His features were almost human. Almost. His nose was flattened, split at the tip, like a pig's snout that had been forced into a human shape. His skin was pale, stretched across his cheekbones, but sagging in patches around his jaw. Sparse coarse bristles dotted parts of his face and neck, and his mouth, God, his mouth. It curled into something that resembled a smile, but that didn't reach his eyes. His eyes were the worst part. Clear, thinking, hungry. Daniel! Marissa whispered, panic rising. Go now! The man took a step forward, bare feet slapping softly against the pavement. Then another and another. Too fast. Go! Daniel slammed the gas, the car lurched forward, but the man moved faster than seemed possible. One moment he was yards away, the next he was at the driver's side window. His hand shot out, slamming against the glass with a sickening crack. The impact spiderweb the window instantly. Daniel swerved, shouting, but the man kept pace, running alongside the car with unnatural ease. His movements were jerky but powerful, like a puppet pulled by something too strong. Then he spoke, not through the radio, right beside them. Daniel! The voice was wrong, wet, layered, like more than one throat trying to form the same word. Daniel's blood ran cold. How does he know my the glass shattered. The man's arm punched to the window, grabbing Daniel by the collar. The car veered wildly as Daniel fought the wheel, Marissa screaming beside him. Let go! The thing leaned in closer, its face forcing through the broken frame, cutting its skin, but it didn't react. Blood ran down its cheek, mixing with saliva that dripped from its m from its two wide mouth. You should have come. It rasped, then it yanked. The strength was impossible. Daniel was dragged halfway out of the car, his body twisting as the vehicle skidded off the road and slammed into a ditch. Metal screamed, engine died, and the world went still. Marissa scrambled out of the passenger side, hitting the ground hard. She turned just in time to see Daniel kicking, fighting. The man pinned him up against the crumpled door. Up close it was worse. His body was human, but wrong in subtle, horrifying ways. His limbs were slightly too long. His joys bent just a little too far. His chest rose and fell rapidly as if he was constantly on the verge of hyperventilating, like he wasn't used to breathing. Daniel choked, trying to push him away. Please! The thing tilted its head, studying him. Then its mouth opened until the corner started to split. Rows of uneven human teeth, too many, packed too tightly, gleamed in the dark, and it bent into Daniel's throat hard. The sound was a thick and final. Marissa screamed, but the man didn't stop. He held Daniel there, jaw locked, tearing and chewing with slow, deliberate movements, blood soaked his chest, dripping onto gravel. Then suddenly, he stopped, he lifted his head, his eyes locked onto Marissa. She ran. She didn't think, she just ran, branches toward her skin as she fled into the woods, her breath ragged, her vision blurring with tears behind her. She heard nothing at first, but then footsteps, bare feet unhurried. It wasn't chasing her, it was following. Because he knew. She tripped. A root caught she tripped. A root caught her foot, and she went down hard, the air exploding from her lungs. She tried to crawl to scream to move, but he was already there. Standing just a few feet away, watching her. Up close, he looked even more human. And that was the worst part. The way his express expressions shifted. Curiosity, recognition, hunger. He stepped closer and crouched slowly, his joints cracking softly. Marissa, he said. Her blood turned to ice. How? Oh listen, he whispered. Then his hands reached out, brushing a strand of hair from her face with something almost gentle. And for a moment, just a moment, he looked like a man. Then his lips peeled back, that impossible mouth opened again, and Marissa screamed. The car was found two days later, empty. Blood soaked the seat and the dirt around it. No bodies, no footprints leading away, just one thing. Carved into the inside of the driver's door, deep enough to expose the metal underneath, were crude words. Stay off my road. The locals didn't need to explain some said he used to be human, some said he still was. But everyone agreed on one thing. He knew your name before you ever met him.

SPEAKER_02 13:03

Okay, so let me figure this out. So this guy's fast. Or he teleports. Or he's fast, right? He's fast. He's fast. Yeah, okay. Hans um road. I'm assuming it's in Vermont? Like yeah, the story comes from Okay. And the story is called the Bloody Trough. Trough. Trough? What's a trough?

SPEAKER_00 13:33

You don't know? A trough is what barn are barnyard animals either like eat or drink out of. It's like a big basin that they just kind of like pour whatever like food or uh water into. Like a horse trough.

SPEAKER_02 13:48

The bloody trough? Okay. So I am assuming that this thing or person, whatever it is, was a farmer. Uh I'm gonna assume like it's something the name the name of this like entity is of a farmer. Uh but it has to do with the road. Oh good.

SPEAKER_00 14:12

That could be a misdirection.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

Yeah, it could be. I don't I don't know. Like, don't stay off my road. I don't know. Don't think too hard. I can't I I really don't. It's gonna be something so simple. It it really is. Are you serious?

SPEAKER_00 14:28

100%.

unknown 14:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

I don't know. You ready for this? Sure. This is the Northfield Vermont Pig Man. Simple, my aunt. Pig Man. The Northfield. So Vermont. So it comes from Northfield, Vermont. Locals tell of a naked man with a bald head and a pig snout who chases down young couples and brutally attacks them. The legend also began uh began in the 50s and also involved couples out parking in secluded areas. Um, the pigman seems to specifically target boyfriends, leaving girls to run home screaming and terrified. Some of the versions of the story describe the pigmen as being covered in white hair or even wearing a rotting pig's head as a mask. It all started in 1951 when a local teenager named Sam Harris went out on the night before Halloween to get into some mischief. Sam Harris never came home, but soon afterwards, the pigman began terrorizing the area. Some say that Sam sold his soul to the devil and became the pigman. Others say that he was the creature's first victim. A few years later, after his disappearance, a group of teenagers drinking in a sandpit near the high school reported seeing a man, like creature with a pig's face, come lumbering towards them from the woods. They were back to the school dance, but no one believed their story. Soon after this, people all over town began reporting sightings of the pigmen. Drivers claimed he had run in front of them across the road. The farmers reported seeing it on their property, possibly hunting their animals. Teenagers making out at the Devil's Washbowl, an area known for its caves and waterfalls, reported the creature banging on their cars. There were even reports of bones and cloven hoof prints being found in one of the caves. The story's gotten bigger and better over the years, and is one of Vermont's most popular tales to tell after dark. That's actually insane.

SPEAKER_02 16:28

Like, I don't the the pig man. It's like a mutation? That's crazy. Or he sold his soul to the devil. I don't Okay, I don't think it's that.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

I don't I don't think it's that. So I w I it's very, very hard when you put in pigman horror. Yeah. You know how much pig horror there is? Uh one of them, I'm thinking uh uh saw.

SPEAKER_02 16:58

Well, that was a woman, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_00 17:00

It doesn't matter. They're wearing a pig mask.

SPEAKER_02 17:01

Yeah, that's all I was thinking.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

I was like, Your necksaw had uh guy dressed as a pig. I watched a hilarious short uh short film of a guy dressed as a pig. We'll get on that in the pod culture. But hunting down some very specific stuff about this, it all came back to that one kid, Sam Harris, which was crazy to me. Like everything linked back to it.

SPEAKER_02 17:25

Searching up like the North Vermont pigment.

SPEAKER_00 17:28

Everything was like Sam Harris went out on October 30th, did not return home, they searched for him, this thing started showing up. They never found him.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

So everything is connected to just that one boy. Either he was the first victim or he was the one to become.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

So, and this is the other thing, too, is like the devil's wash bowl, um, which I looked up, and it is in the woods, like rural, but like going there, it's freaking gorgeous. So I'm almost wondering, like, okay, like let me go see what some ver some some uh what do you what would you call people from Vermont? Vermontees? Verminians? Alright, well anyway, I went online and I found two stories, of which I think this first one is more of a uh kind of like a a falsehood, right? Uh okay in terms of hey, I just wanted to write a scary story. But the second one had uh a couple things in it that made me kind of like, ooh. I was kind of like, ooh, I don't I don't know about this. Alright, so the first one, this is from uh W. Dolphin. And I mean, this this was started like five years ago. My family lived in Vermont for a number of years in a small town called Northfield, south of Monteplier. Uh, there's a local legend in Northfield of a thing known as the Pigman. The story has multiple versions, but most do, as or as most do, but there are some parts that are always the same. Back in 1951, the night before Halloween, the 17-year-old kid named Sam Harris went out on his own with a basket of eggs to cause some mischief. Nobody knows exactly what happened to him, just that he never came home and was never found. Years later, some high school kids were drinking behind the school one night during a dance. This thing came walking out of the woods on two human legs. It was naked, covered in white hair, and was wearing a hollowed-out pig's head like some kind of grotesque mask. Naturally, the kids tore out of there and went to toll and told people. Word spread, and some farmer admitted he had seen a figure matching that description digging through his garbage one night. Some pigs had also gone missing recently. More sightings were made of the pig man as it became known, and many times the claims were just kids wanting to get attention. Now, whether this thing is Sam Harris or this thing ate Sam Harris, nobody in town knows for sure. But what they do know is that it isn't afraid of people and it really likes to eat meat. There's a place just outside of Northfield known as the Devil's Washbowl, with a river and waterfalls and a number of caves. After more sightings of the pigmen were made out by the washbowl, some people went to investigate and found that one cave in particular was littered with animal bones, some of which were pig. It got around that they'd found the lair of the pigmen and it became a popular for teens to go out to the devil's washbowl at night and try to catch a sight of him. My sister and a couple of her friends went out to the devil's washbowl in their senior year. They took sleeping bags and flashlights and all the gear you'd take to go camping. I wasn't there to give a firsthand account of what transpired. I was only eight at the time. I can only tell you what was told to me. There were six or eight of them, depending on who you ask, all couples. They picked a number of caves, each one a pair. My sister and her boyfriend were in their cave. She was rolling out of the sleeping bags, and she was trying to start a fire when they heard some shouts and screaming from one of the others. When they got there, the girl was curled up in a ball in the farthest corner of the cave, and her boyfriend was nowhere to be found. She told them that the pigmen had come trudging into their cave, completely undaunted by their presence. The guy had started shouting at it and at both to drive it away and to get others' attention. The pigman casually picked up a large rock and struck the guy in the side of the head with it, knocking him unconscious. It picked the guy up, slung him over his shoulder, and shambled out of the cave just moments before the rest arrived. Nobody had seen it exit the cave, nor seen signs of it at all. They did find the rock lying in the cave floor with blood on it and bare footprints in some soft creek mud outside. The girls all drove into town and when Straight to the police. The remaining boys, whether it was two or three of them, grabbed flashlights and makeshift weapons and scoured the woods around that area. The footprints disappeared at the edge of the road, and they lost the trail there. Search parties were set up, police and canine units, and a big coordinated effort, including several other adjoining township police forces. A couple days later, some articles of the guide's clothes were found by a search dog. They had been left torn and scattered in an abandoned farmhouse a town over. The missing teen's photo was put up in the area, and one guy came forward. He said the other night he'd awakened to the sound of someone lurking outside of his house. He checked out his kitchen window and there was someone rummaging through his trash can by the garage. The person was only wearing a faded and ripped pair of jeans when the man hit the porch light and the intruder had looked up and it looked just like the kid in the photos. The only difference was his body was covered in white hair and his eyes looked kind of hollow.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

I'm curious like with that, it's like a host.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 23:06

Like it switches bodies.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

Which was crazy. Now, in response to this, um turd sandwich. Gotta love the names, gotta love it, found this in more creepy details related to Pigman. Back in the summer of 85, we traveled in Northfield, Vermont, in the search of the Pigman. My aunt used to tell us a story about a half man, half pig that roamed the mountains in VT in the Devil's Watch Bowl. She heard the story from a roommate in college that grew up in the area of Northfield. In this story, my aunt told it was pretty tame, to say the least, compared to what an old man told us when we arrived at the gates of the Devil's Watch Bowl. We were driving up a winding road that turned into dirt, and we saw the old man sitting in the shade of an old dilapidated barn on the side of the road, the Harbinger. We stopped to ask him for directions to the Devil's Watchbowl. He said that we were a long way from home and we should probably go back to where we came from. I asked him if he had ever heard of the pigman, and we were there investigating a story. We sat around and had a small talk until he warmed up to us. He said he knew the pigman before the devil claimed him, and that his name was Sam Harris. The two most shocking things I remember about the story was the night he had dinner at the Harris house and what he and another friend he was hunting with had witnessed at the Harris farm from a distance back in the late 40s. The dinner story conjures up spooky image of Sam's Harris parents. As they sat at the table, Sam's father kept serving pork to Miss Harris, and as the pork piled up, she continuously stuffed it in her mouth and seemed to be laughing and choking at the same time. At a point, she started to vomit out the sides of her mouth onto her plate as she stuffed more pork in at the same time. Mr. Harris, who continued to practically shovel it onto her plate to the point where this old man, who was just a younger teenager at the time, ran out of the house, ran all the way home. He never returned inside the house again and never ate pork again. The hunting story is even crazier than a Hollywood horror. Old man and a friend were setting out to hunt for the weekend and made their way up behind the Harris farm when they heard a loud, horrifying squeals of a pig. They looked down upon the farm and witnessed a naked Mr. Harris mounting a large pig, stabbing it in the head while it appeared to have sex with it. Johnson said his friends became so infuriated that he drew his rifle down and lined his sights onto Harris. Old man grabbed his gun away from his friend and they made out of the area and called the hunt off. He said he and his friend had only spoken that night one time after and agreed to keep it to themselves. This old man said that not long after Sam disappeared and that Mr. Harris had a heart attack one night and Sam apparently dragged pig organs up onto the porch where he had disappeared. A couple weeks later, Miss Harris was eaten alive at the pig farm. Jump uh the old man seemed to stop in mid-sentence and walk inside the barn, leaving us stunned in the story. As he walked away, I asked him why he I asked him had he witnessed the pig man in person. He just turned and pulled out his dentures and howled like a crazy man, then turned around again and walked into the darkness. This was the freakiest moment of our lives, and we were terrified. I regret to say, after the old man's story, we turned around and drove back to Maine, never to return. One of my buddies was convinced that the old man was Sam Harris. It had been on my mind ever since, and from time to time I think about calling up my old friends and returning to spend the night at the devil's washbowl.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

Ooh, I I have a c okay. I have a theory that it could be nothing to do with the devil, like devil or whatever, right? Curses or whatever. I truly think that they were just psychologically messed up. But like Sam Harris could possibly be like a dual personality or multiple personalities, and won't it be just because of the poor pigs and all that, that he thought he was a pig or something, you know? I I don't know, maybe something like that.

SPEAKER_00 27:31

That would be crazy.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

If that is true, because that's like a what third hand story, yeah. Like of the beat. Yeah, oh yeah. Like, oh good gosh. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

So you start getting into that, like, that that game of telephone, and you know, oh let me up it for the shock factor and everything like that. But what's crazy is it all comes back to one kid.

SPEAKER_02 27:57

Yeah, I know. That's that's the that's that's the missing link.

SPEAKER_00 28:00

Like, that's the part that kind of kept like every, you know, they're like, oh, it has it has different origins, oh it has this, oh it has that. And it's like no one's one dude.

SPEAKER_02 28:09

Yeah. But that that's also a good point, is out of all the origin stuff of this thing, the parents were never mentioned. Yeah. Like how how were they? That's the question, like, how did they act? How were they? Were they already dead?

SPEAKER_00 28:26

If I mean, if the It sounded like they were already dead. If the story is true, and Sam Harris was say 17, right? That means his parents were probably already in their 50s. If they had them, you know, if they had well, late 40s, early 50s, right? If they had him, if they had him young, they could be early 40s, you know, mid forties. And that's another thing. 40 to 50.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

Yeah, that's another thing too, is that the dad, yeah, okay, can have the heart attack. That can also be caused because of the pork. Pork causes a lot of uh heart failures. And then uh what you call it, the mom eating alive? Yeah. Is that what it said?

SPEAKER_00 29:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:07

That's where it's like, how do you what eating alive by what pigs?

SPEAKER_00 29:11

Pigs? Probably. And that's the thing, man, like pig will eat anyhow.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

I don't know, but it could be like a psycho like it just not messed up family.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

Yeah, it could very could be.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

Because uh, wasn't the uh the killer based off of uh Leatherface? Wasn't his entire family messed up?

SPEAKER_00 29:29

In Texas Chainsaw?

SPEAKER_02 29:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:32

But I'm saying in the original story or was it just one person? In the original story? Like the ri like the original. The original Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

No, it was it was one person, right? Gl uh No, it was it was based off of just the horror stories of uh Ed Ga Ed Gaines. Yeah, but it was just But no, in Texas Chainsaw it's the whole family.

SPEAKER_02 29:53

Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 29:54

Yeah apologies.

SPEAKER_02 29:55

I thought it was the like the based off of the real like the thing. I thought the entire family also, but no, that was probably Hollywood.

SPEAKER_00 30:03

Yeah, it was Hollywood. Okay, no. No, yeah, because Leatherface was like the autistic brother, and then they had like the abusive uncle and like the the old dad.

SPEAKER_02 30:12

But the uh that is Sam Harris.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

Yeah. Is the That one. The name that keep coming up.

SPEAKER_02 30:22

But then in the story, like the first story, it kind of like where the he sh the kid, the missing kid shows up supposedly somewhere else, and he's hollow eyes, and he's just so this is the other thing, and I'm gonna bring this up in the the monster movie maker moment is was it him or do you have a half naked man rummaging through your garbage and it you flick on the light and it turns it looks up at you and it scares you because there's a person out here.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

Because most people aren't gonna like, I hear rummaging, let me look and then turn on the light. They're gonna turn on the light and then look, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 31:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

So it's like I turn on the light, I think I'm gonna see a raccoon is a whole human man.

SPEAKER_04 31:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

What if Sam Harris was wearing the dude's face?

SPEAKER_02 31:14

Oh, like it looked like a few. That's a good that's a good thought because when I was like coming up with like who does that stuff, I was also thinking about leather face. I was like, well, okay, at a quick glance, in a terrified like mine, yeah, that could look like a pig's face because of the because isn't pig skin supposed to be like I know I know a lot of tattoo artists use pig skin as like a like a tattooing. Because it's closely resembles yeah, yeah. So having that face like wrinkled up like that over you, it's like at a quick and horrified glance.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

Have you ever seen the like have you seen Texas Chainsaw Massacre? Like the remake?

SPEAKER_02 31:56

Not the remake, but actually I may have, but I think I've seen the like also the one where like the first one, is that where they just kept going in a circle?

SPEAKER_00 32:11

Yeah, that one fucking made me laugh so goddamn hard.

SPEAKER_02 32:17

The lowered movie budget, let's just run in a circle.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

So so like obviously, like leather face, like it was like it was leather, right? But it was like human skin, right?

SPEAKER_02 32:30

No, it's human skin, but like But it's leather. Like imagine that, like, at night. You open up the lights, you look, and then it's just it's terrifying, you won't like run away. It's like, oh, it was pink.

SPEAKER_00 32:41

Well this this is the the part that got me was when Leatherface ends up in the there is a a a part in the movie in the remake where the boyfriend gets it, right? And the girlfriend's out there and she has this moment of like, oh, fuck me, right? Uh and Leatherface is out there walking around and he turns around and he's wearing the boyfriend's face. Right? Like he's cut his face off. Like cut around his neck, peeled his face off, and then put it on like a Halloween mask. Yeah. So I have some ideas for our monster movie maker moment. Stay tuned. End of the episode. Alright, so pop culture-wise, I want you, my little creepy cryptids, to go on a Google and write, type in horror pig man, or pig headed man in horror movies. Just Google it and tell me how many results you get. There's a fuck ton.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

Yeah, I'm sure. The biggest thing that came to me was Saw.

SPEAKER_00 33:44

What I tried to do, I did list Saw. What I tried to do was list things that were more pig, actual pig man, or like actually had a pig, not just like a mask. You know what I'm saying? Like Saw. Saw it kind of gets a pass because Saw came up, like was kind of like continuously doing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so we have Pig Face, uh 2021 film, a B horror movie about a killer with a pig's face hunting teenagers on a farm, the Saw series. The Pig Man Murders, a found-footed slasher film featuring a pig man. Squeal, 2021 features pig people who are the result of scientific experiments. No, it's gonna. I I watched the trailer on that one. That was kind of creepy. Uh, American Horror Story Roanoke featured Piggy Man, uh, which is another one. All Hallows Eve movie of 2013, um, and the Ninth Circle, a 2008 short film, features the Pig Man, a Demented Murderer portrayed by Andrew Mahler. Um, the Change TV series, uh, Jeremy Flynn or Jerome Flynn portrays the character listed as Pigman. Pig, short 2024 film, a short, a horror short where a character wears a pig mask dealing with themes of self-uh perception. Remember that one.

unknown 35:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:06

Somebody's There. Movie, 2015, a horror movie where survivors are hunted by individuals in animal masks, including a pigman killer. Um Hurricane, a short film from 2025, a Czech film focusing on a man with a pig's head traveling through 1990s Prague. And the Arkansas Pigman Massacre movie from 2025, a horror film centered around the pigman figure. Um, this one placed in Arkansas. Now, I was a little crunch time on time. Um, you know, personal life, doing all this other stuff. I didn't have time to sit down and watch a bunch of movies. I had a lot of shit going on. Sorry. But I did watch Pig. Okay. Which is the short film from 2024. Gotcha. Holy fuck, I don't think I've ever laughed that hard.

SPEAKER_02 35:54

That's the one about the self-perception, right?

SPEAKER_00 35:57

So have you ever seen um it's like you're next where it's so it's the horror movie where it's the family and they're all getting killed off by people and they have like the lamb mask and everything. Yeah. So it's think of that, but from the killer's perspective.

SPEAKER_02 36:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

Sorry. So I was like, alright, let me, let me, let me look at this. Killer's perspective, they're outside, there's like three people in a house, the dude's in fucking whitey tidies, and he's like, oh my god, I'm gonna die, and I'm dressed like a like, I'm dressed like a I uh oh uh and so they're like, oh my god, right? So there's a guy in like a dog mask, a sheet mask, and then the pig mask, right? Okay, and there's a fourth guy. The guy in the pig mask is fat, and they cut the pig mask so it fits really bad on his face, and he's just like, he sees himself in the reflection, he's just like, meh. And they're like, what's wrong, Chuck? Like, we gotta go in here and kill these guys. He's like, you know, it's really kind of fucked up. Y'all gave me the pig mask, like me being the fat one and everything, da da da da. And they're like, Did you take the did you cut the sleeves off your your shirt?

SPEAKER_01 37:15

And the guy's like ripped, and he's like, Yeah, just trying to be mobile for this, you know, like murdering, I gotta have full swing.

SPEAKER_00 37:21

And the dude's like, it goes back and forth for like 10 minutes. It's the funniest conversation. They're like trying to cheer up. It's like, you got it, buddy. You're the backbone of the team, you're the heart of this. Where would we be without our pig killer? And like they get him all like hyped up about it. He's like, Alright, you're right. We got this, guys. Let's go kill, let's go murder some innocents. And he goes and puts the mask back down, and one of the survivor chicks just blows a hole through his back out of his chest with a shotgun. She's like, he's like gurgling on the ground, dying, and the other two run off, and she just comes up and just taps him in the head and just plays her with blood click. I was like, God damn! And then Whitey Tiny guy comes out the back and he's like, Did you get him? It's like, oh my god. And then it ends. It was great. Uh go look up pig on YouTube. It's fucking hilarious. Yeah. They had to hype my man up. He was like so self-conscious. He's like, Man, you gave me the fucking pig mask and didn't even fit my fat head.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

I'm just gonna go home. They're like, no, bud, we need you. You're the guy.

SPEAKER_00 38:28

It's like, you know, Larry's already in there, and you just see like a dude just smoke somebody and just blood hit a window, and he's like, and he runs off into the house and slightly through the window. Yeah, dude, it was great. Oh yeah, but anything with the pig man with the pig head, like, there's so many out there. Um, another one that comes to mind, um, did you ever watch the Winnie the Pooh Blood and Honey?

SPEAKER_02 38:53

Blood and Honey.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

It was the horror movie when uh Winnie the Pooh hit uh public domain. Don't save yourself. It's an hour and a half I will not get back from my life. Um but but it it's bad. But it's Winnie the Pooh and Piglet, and they're like these burly, like burlesque, like fucking huge dudes that are just like like just murder fucking people in the woods of the hundred-acre woods because they're trying to get back at Christopher Robin because he left them to starve. And it's I think I've seen I think it was it was the dumbest horror movie. So, yeah, that's pop culture. So you ready for this what would you do scenario?

SPEAKER_02 39:36

I'm ready to win again. I have been winning since season zero, episode one.

SPEAKER_00 39:45

That seems like a little bit of a stretch. Alright. You and your partner, what's your partner's name? Julius are driving through a remote stretch of Vermont after missing a turn miles aback. Your GPS has long since lost signal. The road is narrow, cracked, and swallowed by the forest on both sides. The trees feel too close, too quiet. Then the radio turns off and by itself. A low, wet static fills the car, and beneath it something sounds almost like breathing. Julius grabs your arm. Did you turn that on?

SPEAKER_02 40:24

Shut the fuck off. No, not.

SPEAKER_00 40:26

Before you can answer, a voice slips through the static. You shouldn't be here. The radio dies, and up ahead, someone's standing into the middle of the road. As you slow down, your headlights reveal a man, barefoot shirtless, covered in dirt, and something darker. He stands hunched slightly forward, arms hanging loose at his sides, then he lifts his head. The face is wrong. A flat nose split like a snout, patches of bristles along his jaws, his lips twitch, stretching wide, almost like he's remembering how to smile. His eyes lock onto you, not confused, not startled. He recognizes you. What do you do? Turn around and leave. So, hit the gas and try to run him down. No. Turn around and leave. Slam the brakes and try to reverse. Stay in the cars, lock the door and wait. Or get out and go talk to him. Turn around and leave. Alright, so we're going B.

SPEAKER_02 41:17

I would have turned around and leave the moment the radio turned off. Like turned on by itself. Alright.

SPEAKER_00 41:23

It's a narrow road, so you do have to back up. There's not a turn.

SPEAKER_02 41:27

I would have stopped the moment the radio did that. I would have stopped. Nope. Fuck. Alright. You didn't even give me like turn like a like.

SPEAKER_00 41:38

There's no, there's no turnaround.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

No, I'm saying like the one-lane road. No, you you didn't give me time. Like the moment the radio turns on and says that, you stop and you turn around. Yeah, but he's already there. That's the thing, not in the story. They had they went up a little bit. Did that they didn't even stop? Like, whoa.

SPEAKER_00 41:57

What? Oh, in in the in the the the reveal story? Yeah, because they're you know, I gotta write it like they're stupid. Yeah. The moment I hear that radio turned on like that? And Julius scripts your arm?

SPEAKER_02 42:10

If I hear that radio turn on like that, it is turn around.

SPEAKER_00 42:14

You're stopping to turn around. You stop, right? Because you're looking down at the radio and you look up and he's there.

SPEAKER_02 42:22

Yeah, reverse.

SPEAKER_00 42:23

Yeah. How good are you? How good are you driving backwards?

SPEAKER_02 42:28

Uh I'm actually I'm fairly decent now. Yeah.

unknown 42:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 42:32

Yeah. You throw the car in reverse and slam the gas, the tires spin. Your tires would shred. You need tires. No, not in this scenario. But the road behind you is too narrow. You fish tail, losing control. Thud, you hit something. The engine stalls. What do we hit? Julius asks. You look forward, the road is empty. He's gone. Then, tap, tap, tap. From your window, you turn slowly. He's standing right beside your door. Smiling. What do you do? Lock eyes and stay still. Try to restart the car, grab something, and prepare to fight. Where is he? He's at your driver's side door. He's tapping on the window.

SPEAKER_02 43:08

What what what did what were the options?

SPEAKER_00 43:10

You can lock eyes and stay still. So you can just dead ass like just like what i What is it, the Gen Z thing? Where they just like look at you and they're just like this. Staring? Uh what was the other? Try to start the car. Okay. Grab something and prepare to fight.

SPEAKER_02 43:28

Uh I get the backseat and get out the other side of the door. Yeah. Fuck your AI. I grab something in the back seat. I get in the backseat, grab like uh whatever I have. I usually have a bat in the back.

SPEAKER_00 43:45

Brother, I've been in your car. Okay?

SPEAKER_02 43:48

Yeah, I got a bat.

SPEAKER_00 43:51

Where?

SPEAKER_02 43:52

This is a scenario card?

SPEAKER_00 43:53

Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no. What what what this is a So you have Yeah, you got it you got an outie and it's a two-door outie.

SPEAKER_02 44:04

Okay, fine. I got a Rolls Royce.

SPEAKER_00 44:07

No, you got a two-door outie.

SPEAKER_02 44:08

I got a Rolls Royce Royce. Yeah, two-door Audi with credit. What are those uh the Japanese cars, the trucks, those tiny ones? That's the one. I'm sure he could probably flip that flu.

SPEAKER_00 44:19

You're in a f yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

So technically two doors. You said driver's side. Yeah, he's driver's side. He would be on this side either way.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

Yeah, he's he's fucking he's getting ready to come through you.

SPEAKER_02 44:33

Uh obviously I would definitely try to prepare to fight because and I'm not like I'm not staring at him. That's so stupid. That was a double one. Just stare at him and just like freeze, like stare at him, really? Like he might want to just talk. Ah! No, might just want to talk. What's there to talk about? Who he is? Who he is? What even who he is is someone who needs to back the fuck back. He might he might just want a friend. Might want a friend, friend my ass. I ain't here to make friends. I'm here to get to my destination and or survive. Quit playing with me.

SPEAKER_00 45:16

Okay. Your handshake as you look around the car. Your eyes land on your bat behind the seat. That I don't think exists. You grab it. Outside the tapping stops. Silence floods in. The s too sudden. Too complete. You don't breathe. Neither does Julius. Then long, slow scrape drags across the side of the car. Metal groans under the pressure. He's moving, circling. You tighten your grip on your bat. Don't open the door, Julius whispers. Another scrape. Closer to the back now. Then nothing. You glance in the side mirror. Empty. Your summon drops. He's gone, says Julius says, almost hopeful. But you already know better. Then you turn your head. Thud. The roof caves in slightly as something heavy lands on top of the car. Claws or fingers drag across the metal above you. Slow and deliberate, listening, your heart is deafening. Then a voice right above you. I can smell you. The metal dents inward as his weight shifts. You raise your bat, staring at the roof like you can see through it. A crack splits in the ceiling fabric as something sharp presses down from above, punching through. A finger. Long, dirty, thick nail, dark. He hooks into the torn fabric and pulls, and the ceiling rips open. His face appears upside down through the gap, closer than you ever wanted. He smiles, come out. The door handle on uh the passenger door handle starts uh rattling violently. Um he's moving impossibly fast, the roof to side in a blink. Then you hear the passenger door groan as he yanks at it. The lock holds for now. You have seconds. So he is I'm unlocking that bitch.

SPEAKER_02 47:11

I'm sacrificing and I'm fucking dirty. I'm running. So you're you're uh I'm not choosing that. Uh so what are the options?

SPEAKER_00 47:24

So you can swing up through the hole in the roof and try to hit him while he's exposed, unlock your door and bolt into the woods, climb into the d uh, you can try to restart the car one more time, and you can tell Julius to distract him while you attack ever you attack from the side.

SPEAKER_02 47:43

Uh I'm I'm alone in this situation.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

Uh you don't think Julius can fight?

SPEAKER_02 47:48

No, no. I'm like, I'm alone. I'm alone.

SPEAKER_00 47:50

Uh what if it's me?

SPEAKER_02 47:53

I'm still alone. I I just want to be alone in this situation.

SPEAKER_00 47:56

Why?

SPEAKER_02 47:56

Because I'd sacrifice someone. I'd sacrifice someone.

SPEAKER_01 47:59

I mean, that's cool. Do what you gotta do. Uh fight or flight, brother.

SPEAKER_02 48:10

I don't know. I no clue. If this was like real life, like real life, I probably would have hit him, like with the car. I wouldn't have even stopped. That's because I was looking at down at the radio and wasn't paying attention. But uh anyway, I'd probably go back. No, no.

SPEAKER_00 48:32

We can try to run him down. No, this is the scenario, so this is the That was option one. Hit him with the car. Or attempt to.

SPEAKER_02 48:40

Yeah, but the thing is, I would no, I'm saying I wouldn't have even stopped.

SPEAKER_00 48:43

Like Yeah, no, you just speed up. Naked dude gets naked the the radio says.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Well, you know how I drive on back roads. So I and I looked down at the radio and was like, what? And then like you know. It's actually it's actually old Sam with the eggs. Listen.

SPEAKER_00 49:10

He's uh he has this this carton of rancid eggs, he's been eating squirrels for the last 40 fucking years. He's like, I finally know, he's like finally found my way out of these woods and you smoke him with your car.

SPEAKER_02 49:26

You know.

SPEAKER_00 49:27

I mean, we can I can go back to Nah.

SPEAKER_02 49:30

Should have been in the road, twin. I hate you. Uh um So he wants me to come out. I I guess I would try to start the car while with my bat. Like it's still a hand, but I'm gonna be like You know what I'm saying? I feel like I'd I why wouldn't I at least try it?

SPEAKER_00 49:50

I mean, I agree with you. This in in this scenario, that's what I'm doing. Yeah. Alright. You move as you start to try to start the car. Um wham! The passenger door bends inward. Metal shrieks. They hand Oop lost your place. Yeah, I accidentally hit the button and it sent me back, and that threw me to the bottom of my scenarios.

SPEAKER_04 50:12

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_00 50:13

There it is. Okay. Metal shrieks. The handle rips halfway off as something yanks from the outside. Um start the car, start the car. You twist the key, click, nothing. Your heart instantly drops. You try again, click, whirr. The engine coughs and sputters, dies. Outside the door frame gives another inch. A hand forces his way through the gap. Long fingers, blackened nails, claws of the air, searching. Uh Julius slams his foot against the hand. Get off! Um, you turn the key again. Come on, come on, come on. The engine roars alive. At the exact moment, the passenger passenger door rips open. Um, the pigman lunges inside, half of his body forcing through the frame, his head snapping toward Julius with that too wide of a grin. Got you. You slam the gas and the car lurches forward violently. The pigman isn't fully inside. Half in, half out. His body twists unnaturally as the car accelerates, his grip tightening on the frame as he tries to pull himself in. Julius is kicking, clawing, and trying to push him back out. Drive, don't stop! The road ahead is barely visible, trees blur past, the pigman's head jerks towards you, his eyes lock onto yours, and he laughs with a broken wet sound. You won't leave. He suddenly shifts his weight, not pulling in, pulling back. You don't understand it until he yanks the wheel and the car swerves violently. Tires leave the road, everything tilts, then crash, the world explodes in sound and impact, metal folds, glass shatters, darkness swallows everything. You wait to silence, ringing filling, ringing fills your ears. The car is on its side, the windshield's gone, cold air pours in. Um you try to move, pain shoots through your ribs, then a sound, dragging slow, wet, and turn your head. Outside the broken frame of the car, something moves in the darkness. A silhouette, limping slightly, then stepping closer into the faint moonlight, the pigman. Blood covers him now, some his, mostly not. One arm hangs at an unnatural angle, but he's still standing, still smiling. And in the other hand, he's dragging Julius, unmoving. Um, your breath catches. He stops a few feet from you, drops him, his eye his eyes meet yours, and that same recognition, that same knowing, you almost left. He takes a step closer, broken arm dangling, unbothered. But you're still mine. So, you can grab the tire iron and make a last stand. You're not gonna go down quietly. Crawl away into the woods while he's distracted. Maybe just maybe. Pretend to be dead, it might work. I'm going down with the fight. My man!

SPEAKER_02 52:55

What?

SPEAKER_00 52:57

That's what I'm talking about. I ain't running away, no. Mom April didn't raise no bitch. You find your bat in the wreckage.

SPEAKER_02 53:06

Oh no, no, you said tire iron.

SPEAKER_00 53:08

Oh, tire iron. You'd like to upgrade to the tire iron for the bat.

SPEAKER_02 53:13

You think it's an upgrade?

SPEAKER_00 53:14

Tire iron from bat? No, bat you got further reach, dude. Unless you're like rocking a mini bat. Tire iron's usually about that long. A bat.

SPEAKER_02 53:23

I mean, if you got a full swing, man. But like I just felt like the sturdiness against this thing would like to be a big thing. Okay, tire iron. I don't know how strong this thing is because like even if it's a metal bat, I feel like you would tire iron? If he's that strong, then oh, we were dead at the beginning.

SPEAKER_00 53:39

You want a tire iron? Or you want a bat?

SPEAKER_02 53:41

Nah, I'll just take the bat. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 53:44

Find your bat in the wreckage. Everything el everything else feels like it's slipping. Your vision, your breath, the world itself. But that weight in your hand anchors you. The pigman takes another step closer. Uh Julius lies crumpled behind him, not moving, not breathing. Good. He murmurs. Oh, voice wet and uneven. Fight. You grit your teeth and force yourself upright, dragging your body out of the twisted car frame, pain screaming through your ribs, but you don't stop, you can't. If I'm dying, you rash, tightening your grip, I'm taking you with me. Fucking action movie.

SPEAKER_02 54:19

I swear.

SPEAKER_00 54:21

The pigman tilts his head, almost amused, then he rushes you. You swing, the bat cracks against the side of his head with a sickening thud, and he stumbles, not far, not enough. You swing again harder, connecting with his jaw, something breaks, and you feel it uh feel it through the bat. He snarls, more human than before, more angry, and lunges. His hands slam onto your chest, driving you back into the dirt. The air explodes from your lungs as the bat slips from your grip. No! You claw for it, too late. He pins you down, straddling your torso, his broken arm hanging uselessly while the other grips your throat. His face hovers inches above yours. Up close you see it. Not just a monster, a man buried underneath something else. Something hungry. Almost. He whispers, hot, foul breath. Almost made it. Your hand finds the bat again. You don't breathe. Don't hesitate. You swing again, hitting him in the head. The reaction's immediate. He jerks he jerks violently, a choked gurgling sound tearing from his throat. Dark blood starts to pour over your hands. You've noticed he's broken his jaw. His grip tightens, then falters. His eyes lock onto yours, confusion flickers there, then something else. Recognition. Just for a second. He looks human. He chokes. Your grip falters for a moment. That's all it takes. His mouth opens, wider than it has ever before, and he bites down. Your car is found at first light, wrapped around a tree. No bodies inside, just blood. Lots of it. Deep gadgets in the dirt nearby, like something struggled, like something fought back, but lost. Search party comes the woods for days. They find pieces. Clothing, scraps, nothing whole. Nothing that tells a clean story. But one man in the group swears late on a third night he saw someone standing just beyond a tree, watching. Tall, barefooted, head slo slightly tilted. And when their eyes met, he smiled. Too wide and too familiar. Sorry. You got. Nah, I would've won. I love how you're just like, nah.

SPEAKER_02 56:29

Nah I would've I would have won. I would've won. I I I seriously would have won.

SPEAKER_00 56:34

How would you would have won?

SPEAKER_02 56:36

How would I have won?

SPEAKER_00 56:37

Yeah, with broken ribs. Julie's dead.

unknown 56:41

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 56:43

Uh what?

SPEAKER_00 56:44

Say that. Look at that camera. Look at that camera and say it with your chest.

SPEAKER_02 56:48

I don't give a fuck. I would have stepped back. I would have done like a flash set, you know what I'm saying? Like a little swing hoo. Swing hoo. Swing. Rince and repeat. Dark Soul style. Listen, he would have died. One more swing, he's gone.

SPEAKER_00 57:06

Uh-huh. Have you ever seen the clips? No. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hear me out. Hear me out. Hear me out. Have you the way you just described that to me, have you ever seen the clips of the guys who do like jujitsu or whatever it is? And it's like, come on, fight me, and they lay down on the ground and they scoot at him.

SPEAKER_02 57:26

He's like, I've been waiting for this.

SPEAKER_00 57:28

I've been waiting for this. Like, that's that's all I can see is this, like, this hulking pig man, right? This rippled muscle, like pig face. He's got the fucking jowl hanging down. He's like long nails. He's been out here hunting and surviving on the land, and he gets to you.

SPEAKER_02 57:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:53

And you got a bat, and you're like, like bleeding perfused, and you're like, come at me, bro. And you just start like Dark Souls rolling, like, like preemptively, as he's just like looking at you while you just somersault around.

SPEAKER_02 58:07

Actually, if I'm gonna be honest, you don't wanna how you wanna know how this actually would have gone with the that such in that like point in time, I would have sworn you fucking missed with it. And it just catches you by the face.

SPEAKER_00 58:27

You're bleeding and you swing and it just glides off into the woods.

SPEAKER_02 58:32

I think I would have tripped, he would have caught me behind and then just like like ripped my head off. But like the when you said I swung and I hit him in the head, I was like, oh my god, I hit that was that was it for the time.

SPEAKER_00 58:48

I rolled a natural 19 to hit my fighter classes at the crit.

SPEAKER_02 58:53

Um And then uh no, but if this if this was like the scenario, like real life, I think I would have actually just kept driving, like aiming for him. Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 59:04

I'm with you.

SPEAKER_02 59:05

Um, especially like you know the clown stuff? When they did that in the roads, I would have like if I was in that scenario.

SPEAKER_00 59:12

Yeah, no, there would have been like there would have there would have been a dead guy. Like, I'm sorry for his loss, like, because I'm sorry for his loss. I'm sorry for I'm sorry for my body count getting another one.

SPEAKER_02 59:24

I'm not doing that fear, I'm not taking a chance, dog.

SPEAKER_00 59:28

Yeah, I don't understand how those guys did that shit in uh like like the ghettos. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 59:36

I'm sure I'm I think some of them pulled out of guns. Oh yeah. But like they didn't pull the trigger. I I was surprised. But I think during that time, too, there weren't a lot of people just gunning down. I maybe that or they knew their targets are like Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotcha. I think some of them probably were staged. Yeah, oh yeah. It's like, hey, I'm gonna scare you, pull out your gun. This is gonna be like a gone wrong video. It's like I But yeah, no, like the driving stuff. If you're in the middle, you come up the road and you go like that, like you're you're already meeting the windshield at the moment your head goes up, you're meeting that windshield.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:16

You can call me fucking fast and the furious. I'm gonna drift my car around, smoke you with a fucking drunk back up over top of you, and then roll over top of you again, and then drive back the way I came. Like, yeah. No, I'm I'm with I'm with you on that. In that scenario, like, I'm going through you automatically.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:36

Dark road, a dark narrow. That radio just flickered like that and said something.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:42

Fucking one lane road, the radio freaks me out, like I got my boy in the the the passenger seat like freaking out. Yeah, no, dude. Yeah. I'm clear. Yeah. I'll be like, well, brace. Brace yourself, buddy. Going through it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:00

Though what yeah. I feel like if you do that though, the uh the airbags deploy fucks you up, and then you just like whoop, and then like not necessarily. Does it not like how far away you are?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:15

I mean, yeah, you gotta be, I mean, well, no, I mean that's a lie. I was watching uh some people some some people can tap their fucking bumper in their airbags deploy.

unknown 1:01:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:25

I was watching uh tip to tip two with Michael Reeves and Ludwig, and Michael Reeves was dancing in his fucking airbag vest deployed.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:34

Yeah, I was like, he was just like, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:37

And then he was like punching and then it said, pow, and he was like, oh fuck. Yeah. Like I ripped his nipple off.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:47

So yeah, no, that I to me for that, I But like are airbags, like, don't you usually a lot of times like get broken noses or something? Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:57

An airbag deploys, yeah, you might catch a broken nose. You're definitely gonna get you're gonna get a black eye and you definitely don't want to eat that fucking steering wheel. You much rather, because that metal bar going through that, that motherfucker's gonna hurt. You much, much rather want to eat the fucking eat the fucking airbag.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:13

That's why I see a lot of those videos of like just driving like this. I'm like, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:20

The one that gets me is the fucking passenger princess with her feet up on the dash, and then they hit an accident and it blows their fucking knees out.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:28

Or fucking she's looking at her at the bottoms of her feet and goes, ah you do that play around mess when you like hij-ject them, but like the air.

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SPEAKER_03 1:04:30

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SPEAKER_01 1:04:43

Oh my god, it's so funny. Yeah. Those videos are so funny. So you have a movie idea? Sorry, Medea. Dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:59

Oh my god, Tyler Perry's pig man. Oh my god. Dude, there's so so I was thinking, there's so many ways to go about this. And the first thing when I read the the Mr. Harris story, if you ever watched Rob Zombies, House of a Thousand Corpses, um, The Devil's Rejects. I thought there was one more. Hold on, I gotta look that up. Gotta make sure I'm saying that right. I gotcha. Three from hell. Okay. Yep. It is a like crazy cannibalistic, just dark, dark, dark movie. Um, but it really function like really works off of like the hyper dysfunctional family. Right? Right. And I'm almost wondering if that's kind of the the case for uh for this. You have the Harrises who are like pig farmers, who are just like super fucked up and abusive, like their kid, you know, being like teenagers, like they're they're poor, he's bullied in school, blah, blah, blah. And it's like on the day before Halloween, I'm going out there and I'm getting mine. I'm gonna do a legendary prank that does XYZ, right? And it's one of those where he sells his soul to the devil, but it's not in the point of like, I'm gonna sell my soul to the devil. It is I am going to kill someone. Like, I'm gonna go kill my bully. And he knows that they're gonna be at the devil's washbowl, goes out there, hits him with some eggs, baits him into a cave, bashes his head in with a rock, like, and then that's when it's like, oh. And he just starts like on a murder rampage, but he's wearing, like, he goes and he kills all his dad's pigs, and he he's wearing one of the pig's skulls.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:04

I thought you were saying, like, that he starts feeding it to the pigs.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:08

Oh, that could be a very good way of him disposing the bot.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:11

Like, that's why his father gets a heart attack. Yeah, like and like how how like close do you want it to be like of the original, supposedly, allegedly of the original story?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:23

I'm not too worried about like the original story, just more so like the Sam Harris, let him be poor, let him be a pig farmer's son, let him utilize the pigs, and then that's kind of like the whole thing is like he's he snaps one day, like I'm finally gonna be in control of my life, yeah, kills a pig, he wears the the pig's head like a mask.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:45

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:46

Fucks up everybody. He I don't even think his dad has a heart attack. I think he kills his motherfucking dad.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:51

I was gonna say, like, uh I think he he starts killing like everybody. I would say that a lot of them go missing, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:57

Or like the lets the pigs eat. Well, I was almost thinking of like taking in that like Texas Chainsaw Massacre where there's like, you know, four to five teens that have to deal with this, right? Like, and here's corn fred, corn fed fucking Harris, who is just like a beast of a of a teen, a young adult, yeah, beats in Clark's head, takes his body, and they like, they're like, what the fuck happened, you know, like, and then they track it down to see what happens, and they see him like throwing the body into the pigs, and the pigs start just like and then he like you know, and then that's the whole thing. It's like they're trying to like figure out, and then like, you know, the woods are booby-trapped or whatever, you know, starts picking them off one by one by one. But the like the final girl is like the one girl that was like actually like stood up for him, like, yo, stop picking on him, like you know, you need a fucking dick, and he like recognizes that, and then like attempts to let her go, but that's when it's like you know, you hear like the pig squeal, and it's like, nah, he's coming for you, like he's gonna, you know what I mean? Like, I'm almost wondering if it's like kind of that uh you can kind of play into like the the thing of uh how'd I put it? Uh the cycle. So it's like a lot of people who are uh abused as kids become abusers in their adult life because that's the cycle. I got you. So maybe his dad was hyper-abusive to his mom and him, and then he sees this girl as like a like a kindness and a love interest, like or a kindness like his mom showed him at some points, and dad abused her, and he was like, Oh, well, I'm just gonna put hands on her because that's what my dad taught me. You know what I mean? Like, just let's just make it all total fucked up, like cannibalistic, like dark, dark, fucking Rob Zombie, call me. Got an idea for a movie. But like make it just like that gruesome. At one point, they fli like I want to do the Texas chainsaw, like he's wearing the face of one of them, like pig fucking heads hung up on the thing, it's still dripping like like icker, like where it's rotting. Oh yeah, stinks. And he's just out here in his coveralls and his fucking and he's got his axe. He's out there beating the fuck out of teenagers. Or maybe he, like, the pig farm's nearby the devil's wash bowl, and he goes out there and he uh he vandalizes all their cars so they can't leave. Uh and then he starts kind of like the hunt. But I wanted to end back up at the farm where they see his dad. Like, maybe he's got fucking on the on the the each of the damn post for the fence or the corners, it's like a head. Like one's his dad, one's this chick's boyfriend that he just like butchered the head off of, one's his mom, one's his other victims, and like stuff like that. He's just got a pig full of pens that he's just chucking bodies into, and then just getting rid of them. Gosh. Fatten them up so he can eat them.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:07

Um my idea, kind of the same way, but instead it is a little bit it it deals with like more of the oh, we're gonna go investigate. Like, let's go investigate, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, kind of like that. Uh group that are trying to they're trying to just let let's just they've been around the country, they've already like debunked a majority of the things that they've been to. It's like, oh, this is nothing, there's nothing there, blah, blah, blah, blah. Uh, they don't do a lot of the ghost stuff. They do more like like the ghost. We're hunting skinwalkers, we're hunting windigos. Of course they don't find anything. Yeah. And they're like, uh, today we're we're hunting the ping man, you know. And I want to kind of do a like found footage.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:58

Film. I wanted it like the scene to start like of like a a dri like a car driving in the morning, like early morning, and they see a car like on the side of the road, all the doors open, and then it's just like complete blood on the windshield.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:17

Like, like just like somebody exploded on the inside of that car. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:22

And it's just and then like on the like pavement is just a camera.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:28

Like, that's how then they get the camera, and that's how we start the okay. And then it goes to the I I'm digging, I'm digging.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:37

And it's just like that. It starts off kind of like how uh Hellhouse uh starts off with like with the group of like driving. I would say it does like that. They had their manter moments, blah blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:50

Start building up that like we're friends relationship.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:54

Yeah, they got you know, they got all their packing stuff, all their normal gear that they have, and of course they have their uh one guy where you know one of them was carry uh kind of a dick. Yeah, I would say one of them, yeah. Kind of like the brawl, like bronze, you know, no brains, all bronze, kind of guy. Uh and then I want it to be where they're in the forest, they're looking around different areas. Of course, I kinda want it, I kinda want to interpret uh I want to put the harbinger dude in there.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:31

Okay, the the old man.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:33

Old man. You know, I kind of want to put it that guy in there. And I want to be like, they they go up, they stop by, they see him, they're like, hey, let's record. Like, hey, can you give us direction? Blah blah blah blah. It's like tells you to turn around, they get out, they start talking to him. It's like, is that is that a camera, blah blah blah? I don't like cameras, don't they're like, okay, we're not recording, they just put it down, but they're lying. Tells start telling the stories of it, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I guess the guy kind of like goes up with the camera, and the dude notices mid-sentence and freaks out from it, gets up, and then does the Yeah. Yeah. And then you're like, Yeah, and then it just cuts to the next scene, they're like all looking around, and then it cuts to them just walking through the forest finally. And I would say that I want it, I want it to be where. Do you remember when we went to Three Bridges the final day when we woke up? It was like an all-foggy kind of scene. Oh yeah. I want it to be like that kind of lighting. You know what I'm saying? I really love that lighting in the woods.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:40

It's it was weirdly blue.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:43

Yeah, blue and just like foggy. It very much looked like a good Yeah. That was such a good one. Uh that's kind of how I want it to be. And of course, I would say that during the found foot, like the film or whatever, they're walking to, they're going to the devil wash bowl, they're going to this certain area, different encounter sightings or whatever. And then they camp towards the devil's washbowl, that that that cave, whatever. However, pause there. I want it to be to where swinging the camera around, like during the movie, in the very background, you kind of see like a him like him peeking behind the trees, looking.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:26

Yeah, like he got like the the sweet snow that the the harbinger gave is kind of one of those, like, hey, I've marked them.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:35

Come get them, bud. And it's like, ooh.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:38

And then I would say they just start killing over the night. Like, I I would say that's definitely where it starts. Um, of course they're drinking a lot, they're like, we couldn't even find anything, blah blah blah blah. Well anyway, I'm gonna go take a piss. It's like, oh, don't take don't record you taking a pin, blah blah blah blah. It's like, alright, oh I do know Yay's just there. And then like he hears walking behind him, it's like, dude, I I'm just blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah. Don't worry about me recording me taking the piss, you know, just get it out, I'll be back. Yeah. And then he just gets fucking bam. And the camera falls and it just walks just slamming down over and over.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:22

It almost kind of be cool too, is if you had it where the guy that was doing it, you know, like you're shot from the ground looking up, right? At like kind of like the crooked angle, but like the guy's the guy, the pig man's head is down. So you just see like shoulders and arms and like a bloody rock, like doing all the work. It's like, oh fuck, like you don't even see his face yet. Okay. Yeah. Uh what are you doing, Strido?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:47

And then, like, yeah, dragging starts dragging his body off. Like, that's all you hear.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:53

Um maybe even uh like his hand hits the camera, it spins, it you can see it spin and it falls, and it's just the silhouette of the body game drug, and then it's you can have the coolest fucking reveal in that too, that the pig man reaches down and picks up the camera and like like spins it around in his hand, and it's like one of those like move like action shots as it passes in front of his face, like as he's looking at it, right? And like twisting it around trying to figure out what it is, and in that moment, like this, that turn up, like you get the like the the front, like oh fuck. Yes. You make it like really like yeah, you can make that gross.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:36

And I was thinking maybe like I guess of course he goes killing throughout the night, they start traveling to the woods, they're scared, blah blah blah blah, killing off one by one. And I would say the last maybe the surviving girl gotta stay with a trope that she gets to the car because she thinks he's letting them off. She of course runs, runs, runs, makes it to the car. And then I I was gonna have it to where it's like she thinks she's good. Like she she turns the car on, right? And then all like you see the side of her face, you see the window to the driver's side, but like then you just see a hand come over and then just like do that like hair thing right here, and she just like tenses up and it turns, and it's just like that pig mask, or like maybe even their faces too. Like maybe I can I don't know. Something like that, and then that's like the death scene.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:35

The death scene or yeah, yeah. I actually just had a another gruesome idea to tie into my movie, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:45

Oh, real quick though, maybe then like she turns around or looks at the mirror and sees him the pig skin head, he does that same howl that the harbinger did, and then it just cuts.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:58

Or you have the harbinger in the backseat, and then like he brushes her hair, and she like freaks out and turns, and when she turns back around, the pig man's at the window.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:07

I actually oh, I was gonna have it to where it's like maybe it's more unsettling, like she has the camera and she puts it on the dashboard, and he's just sitting there, and we're like watching him, and but she it's like one of those people. She hasn't realized that like realize it like that. Like you sat up out of the back seat, and then maybe like with the camera, like it does the little up thing so she could see, she does that, and it's just watching.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:31

Yeah, and it's yeah, cut to black, and you just hear the screaming and the beating and the blood, and yeah. Yeah. I actually had this really horrific idea. Okay. Um that you could have a fucked up family who is taking these kids, these teenagers, these adults, the the people. And uh, excuse me. They are then sewing pig heads onto them, right? Like over their head, like they hollow it out, put the pig head over, so their mouth is still like accessible, right? And they're chaining them to like stakes in the ground in the pig pen and like making them eat the slop and the leftovers and everything else, and raising pigs. Oh. Oh, oh like human centipede-esque, like fucked up, like we're making pigmen, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:29

Yeah, I I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:32

That would be a dark movie, too. Ugh. I don't wanna I don't wanna make that movie. Rob Zombie, call me. I got a movie idea. Pigman. Pigman.

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