Until You Jump | Ghost & Ghouls Ep 23 | Season 1

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

Welcome to the Ghost and Ghouls podcast. I'm your host, Tyler. And with me I have the guy responsible for giving most skeletons an extra bone. Get it?

SPEAKER_00 0:10

I it How you doing today? I'm doing good. Yeah? Yeah, I'm doing good.

SPEAKER_03 0:15

Cool.

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Cool.

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If you're new here, this is how this works. I'm gonna read Anthony here, her fictional horror story, about some kind of cryptid nightmare, ghoul, goblin, ghost, zombie, paranormal entity, haunted something. Could be a place, could be uh an event, could be a cryptid, an alien, something scary. Wherever remove the name of uh whatever it is we're talking about from the story and replace it with descriptions. Then Anthony here gets to guess what we might be talking about this week. Then we'll go over its history, it's use some pop culture if any, a little choose your own adventure scenario, and finally our monster movie maker moment where us two thick skull guys come together, come together, and make a movie idea. Come up with something great that Hollywood should pick up immediately and pay us millions and millions of dollars. Right?

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Yeah, absolutely.

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Fantastic.

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SPEAKER_02 1:51

No, they land.

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Yeah, you can go there a day early, as well as if you just want the audio version, we have the link in the description below as well. This is where you can just listen to just the audio, or wherever you listen to your other podcasts. We're on everything, as far as I know. We at least try to be. And uh, I believe that is it.

SPEAKER_03 2:15

That's it.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:17

Ghosts and goals. That's the end of the podcast, right there. End of the episode. Not really. Alright, so Anthony gets three yes or no questions to figure out what we might be talking about this week. Then he gets a little shot in the dark guess. So, three yes or no questions. Uh now, I'm gonna give you a hint. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

Oh, is this okay?

SPEAKER_03 2:39

Alright. I have leaned more into place and or event for this one. Not so much creature.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

Okay, so like a haunting, like possibly. So like uh Hellhouse or like uh Bell Witch and all that stuff. Possibly. Right, okay, okay, okay. No, I'm just saying like stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. Or the Amityville. Okay. Um, I also forgot. This video is gonna land right on my birthday. Oh, does it? Yes. Happy birthday. June 5th. June 5th. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03 3:12

Happy birthday. We're gonna go watch Scary Movie 6. And Obsession. And passengers. And oh no, there's another movie that comes out too. He-Man. Masters of the universe. We're gonna go see that too. Four movies, one day. Can we do it? Goodness. I would kill myself. Like, dude, then you gotta talk like that's two hours. That's a work day, right? In which I'd probably I'd probably lose money in on that. Right? Because you think, like, yeah, your first movie's probably gonna be like $10 to $12 for like the matinee showing, right? And our local theater doesn't open till one. Oh so it's like one, one o'clock to three o'clock, three o'clock to five o'clock, five o'clock to seven o'clock, seven o'clock to nine o'clock, and that's if you can get all the showings in.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

I feel like the late one would have to be the scariest one, either passengers or obsession.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

Oh no, dude. I'm kind of hyped about He-Man. Yeah. Skeletor? He looks great.

SPEAKER_00 4:15

Oh no, no, no. I'm saying you could definitely know. But uh, okay, so three guesses. Um, are you you're not doing like true crime stuff, right? Because I would have said stuff like uh, what is it? Was it Cheryl Manson? Uh Charles Manson? Charles are sorry, Charles Manson.

SPEAKER_03 4:35

Cheryl Manson was his sister.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

Oh, okay, Charles Manson.

SPEAKER_03 4:40

I don't know if he actually had a sister. Yeah. That's Charles Charles Manson, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

Yeah, I mean, like you were doing the uh what was it? They did it in the Amazon forest or something like that?

SPEAKER_03 4:51

Oh no, you're thinking of uh Jonestown.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Jonestown, yeah. Because that was at the like the right there at the tip of the border to South America. Right?

SPEAKER_03 5:01

No, that was in South America.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

Oh, that's in South America?

SPEAKER_03 5:03

Yeah, no, he flew a bunch of people down to South America and had them drink a bunch of flavorade placed with raptors. Yeah, I know that part.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

I just thought it was still in North America, though.

SPEAKER_03 5:13

No, he started in North America. But then when the government went after him, he we took all his little his cult down to South America to build a heaven.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

Oh, okay. Uh and then there was the there was another one that was the Amityville that we did already.

SPEAKER_03 5:29

Yeah, we've done Amityville.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

That one we've already done. Yeah. Um I'm trying to think of I'm thinking, but like I'm asking too. Okay, yeah, let me go ahead and ask this. First guess, is this based off of a true crime happening? True crime event. And by this, I mean it's not like demonic or anything. I mean, sure you might say the person is demonic in nature, but like this is recorded, like police were there, they got him, or either they all it was a mass suicide. Stuff like you know, you know what I'm trying to say. I'll say this people died.

SPEAKER_03 6:09

Yes, it is documented.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

Okay, I figured that.

SPEAKER_03 6:12

But it's not it's not the way I think you're thinking.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

Not like Jonestown. Strider, come over here. You're gonna kill Anne. I took medicine too beforehand. Uh okay, so it's not like Jonestown. Not like Jonestown. Not like Jonestown. Oh, come on, dude. Okay, people died. Okay, I'm going to. Was this recorded in the US?

SPEAKER_01 6:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

Okay. Is the event bas uh uh is the event name after the Is there a main suspect? No, no, no, and it's not like Jonestown. Oh, it it's not a I hate that it's like a true crime, but it's not like how I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_01 6:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

It's not like a worship like cult cultist, all that stuff. Uh I can't think of anything. Yeah, this is actually you got one more guess. I do have one more guess, but I don't I don't think that guess is gonna help me. I mean, I was gonna ask, like, is does the event go off of the name of the main suspect? Like the the or if not, if you said no, then I was gonna think, oh, it's based off of the place. That's my Yeah, it's it's based off of the place, yeah. Okay, so it's based off of the place, then I um And I'll say this.

SPEAKER_03 7:30

I'm I'm for this, I'm even looking more so for the name of the place than rather than you know what?

SPEAKER_00 7:36

I'm just gonna throw something out there, yeah. And it's gonna be something kind of crazy. Uh I'm gonna say Alcatraz.

SPEAKER_03 7:44

Ooh, that would be a good one, but no.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:47

But you're now you're kind of thinking in the in the right vein.

SPEAKER_00 7:50

I was thinking of Alcatraz, like prisoners, maybe, or people dying. Just people dying, you know.

SPEAKER_03 7:56

But it's documented, but you know, yeah, you're you're you are another one would probably be like a mining incident, maybe I was thinking. You are closer than you think with Alcatraz.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

Alright.

SPEAKER_03 8:10

Alright, you ready? This story is called Until You Jump. Okay? The locals simply called it the Tower. It stood on a lonely hill miles outside a forgotten town, surrounded by dead pines and rustic fences swallowed up by weeds. Once, decades ago, it had belonged to a crumbling psychiatric retreat tucked deeper in the woods. The patients were gone now, so were the doctors. Fire to eat most of the buildings long ago, but the tower remained. A narrow concrete structure with no windows except at the top. People say the patients used to climb it during storms. People said some of them even jumped. Evan Mercer didn't believe any of that. He was 28, a freelance photographer, obsessed with abandoned places, and internet legends. The tower had become popular online after grainy videos surfaced showing strange shadows from the top platform. Some claimed they heard whisperings on the records, others swore they saw figures standing at the edge before vanishing frame by frame. Evan wanted photos. Nothing more. But by the time he reached the hill, the sky had turned bruised purple with evening clouds. The tower rose from the trees like a gravestone. The iron door at its base hung slightly open. Inside smelled like wet concrete and old mildew. Oh mildo, mildew. His flashlight cut across the spiraling stairs, stained dark with age. Strange scratches covered the walls. Not graffiti, deeper than that, jagged lines carved by something frantic. Near the top, Evan found words etched repeated repeatedly into the concrete. Don't fall asleep. He laughed nervously and snapped pictures. At the top platform, cold wind whipped against him hard enough to make him stagger. The forest stretched endlessly below, black and empty. Then he noticed something strange. The railing on one side was bent outward, not inward. Like someone had climbed over willingly. A sudden headache stabbed him behind his eyes and he turned, and he saw a woman standing at the far corner of the platform, a white hospital gown, bare feet, long dark hair billowing across her face. Evan jumped backward so hard he nearly slipped. Jesus! The woman lifted her head. Her face was wrong, not rotten or bloody, just stretched, as if gravity had been pulling on her features for years. Her eyes bulged slightly downward and her jaw hung low. And she smiled. The wind stopped. The forest below became completely silent. Then she whispered, Do you dream of falling too? Evan blinked, and she was gone. He ran down the stairs so fast he scraped his shoulder bloody against the concrete walls. By the time he reached his car, rain had started hammering the windshield. He told himself it was stress, isolation, too many ghost stories. But that night the dream began. At first they were simple. He stood atop the tower while fog swallowed the woods below. Something unseen whispered behind him. Every dream ended the same way, his feet leaving the ledge, the sickening drop, then impact. He always woke before hitting the ground. After three nights the dream changed. Now he could feel the fall. His stomach floating upward, the rush of icy air, bones exploding on impact. He'd wake screaming, tangled in sweat-soaked sheets. Sleep became impossible. Whenever he closed his eyes, he saw that woman standing at the edge, waiting. His apartment began changing too. Wet footprints appeared across the floor at night. He heard footsteps circling his bed. Sometimes he woke to find himself standing in the hallway with no memory leaving the mattress. Then came the whispers. Soft inside his head. You already jumped. You just don't remember. You belong at the bottom. Evan stopped answering calls, stopped eating, dark circles hollowed his face. Every mirror seemed to show movement behind him. One night he awoke, unable to breathe. The woman was standing over his bed. Not a dream, not sleep paralysis. He could smell damp earth and stagnant water rolling off of her. Her head tilted unnaturally. Then she climbed onto his chest. Her weight was impossible, like concrete crushing his ribs. She lowered her mouth to his ear and whispered, You left me alone up there. Suddenly Evan saw flashes that weren't his own. Patients screaming, orderlies dragging bodies, a storm. The woman climbing the tower while the voices below laughed. Then, hands pushing her, the fall, the crack of her spine against the rocks, her terror, her rage. Evan screamed and the vision vanished. But afterward he knew something horrible. She wasn't haunting the tower, she was trapped there. And now she was trapped inside him too. The next morning, dirt covered Evan's shoes, his car keys were missing. Outside his apartment, his car engine ticked softly, still warm. He checked the GPS on his phone. A route history glowed on the screen to the tower. 2 13 a.m. He had driven there in his sleep. The nightmares worsened after that. Every dream lasted longer. Every fall felt more real. Until eventually the dreams were no longer ended before impact. He felt everything. His legs shattering, teeth breaking, the wet choking sound afterwards. Each time standing over his own broken body was that woman, smiling. Evan tried staying awake for days at a time. It didn't matter. The dreams came anyway, micro sleeps, hallucinations. He began seeing the tower everywhere, at the end of hallways reflecting in television screens, standing impossibly far away outside of his apartment window. One evening he found mud and pine needles across his kitchen floor leading to his bedroom. At the end of the trail, written on the wall, dripping in black water, come back. That night exhaustion finally consumed him. And he dreamed he was climbing the tower stairs again. Only this time he could feel the concrete beneath his hands. He could smell the rain. He could hear the wind screaming outside. The woman waited at the top. You know what happens next, she said softly. Evan shook his head, crying. This isn't real. Her smile widened, then she pointed downward. Evan looked over the edge, and saw his own body standing at the bottom of the tower, looking up. His eyes opened. The rain hammered his face. The wind roared around him, concrete beneath his feet. The tower real. He was standing on the top platform, barefoot, miles from home. The woman stood beside him, no longer distorted. Now she simply looked sad. You stayed with me too long, she whispered. Evan backed away from the ledge, trembling. I don't want to die. You're already decided. The whispers returned all around him. Jump, jump, jump. His body moved without permiss permission. One foot onto the railing, then the other. The forest spun below. Evan screamed for help, but only the wind answered. The woman touched his shoulder gently, and for one brief moment he felt what she had felt that night decades ago. The certainty that someone unseen had pushed her. His foot slipped. The world vanished beneath him as he fell, he saw the tower above growing smaller against the storm clouds, and standing at the ledge, not one ghost but dozens, silently watching him, waiting for the next person to climb the stairs. Goodness. Yeah, that was a nightmare one.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

We need to start putting warnings before the stories now.

SPEAKER_03 15:34

Oh, okay. Like warning, graphic material. Not for kids.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

Yeah. Jeez, please. Uh no, I've got no place. I tried to listen intently this time. Like, I was like heavily listening to see if there was like a place. I mean, of course, uh an asylum, like uh uh maybe an abandoned asylum, but like there's so many out there that I just I I actually cannot pinpoint the exact one.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:04

The only key factor is probably a tower of sorts. Um, nothing comes to mind.

SPEAKER_03 16:11

We there's a very popular horror podcast called Scared to Death that has done something on this before.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Yeah, and I I I I legit cannot remember it.

SPEAKER_03 16:24

Alright. This tower is known as Retreat Tower. Built between 1887 and 1892, the 65-foot stone structure was constructed by patients of the Vermont Asylum for the Insane, now known as the Battle Borough Retreat. Doctors at the time believed that rigorous physical labor, like stonemasonry and beating rocks, had therapeutic properties to cure the mental ailments. Sure. I That's what they thought. That's what they thought. They had a couple doctors that were like, you know what these folks need? Instead of electro shock therapy and lobotomies, we need to get them outside. When put them on the reality, I thought build a 65-foot stone tower. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Uh reality though, I heard two things helped the most. Was nicotine and marijuana helped a lot more.

SPEAKER_03 17:25

Oh, so you're saying that physical labor didn't help the mentally insane.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

Well, from what happened there, I can only assume no.

SPEAKER_03 17:34

We're gonna get into that. Okay. So I specifically looked at this. Um, because of uh one, the sheer amount of hiking trails that lead up to this tower. How many pictures of there of it there are. Right. But the stories, the haunting stories. Um, there is a leaping apparition. The most persistent ghost story is of an entity that appears at the top of the tower and leaps off only to completely vanish before it ever hits the ground. Um whispers in the wind, visitors and hikers of the surrounding retreat trails report hearing faint disembodied whispers when the wind blows through the trees and the tower's four windows. Uh, and shadow figures, the adjacent historical cemetery, which features many unmarked or no unmarked or unnumbered graves of former patients, is also a hotbed for reports of fleeting shadowy figures seen around the corner of the eye, or seen out of the corner of the eye. So, you have a tower that people that were deemed insane built. Yes, you have a cemetery there, and then you also have the asylum ground somewhere close.

SPEAKER_00 18:51

So, wait, patients had access to that tower.

SPEAKER_03 18:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

That's the craziest thing to me.

SPEAKER_03 18:58

Now you can't go up the tower anymore. They've barred it shut, like big iron doors, like it is it's locked up tight.

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 19:06

Um, but I did get on to a Facebook group of people that were kind of like questioning what was going on out there and like all this kind of stuff. Um, there are a couple abandoned buildings still out there that you can access. One of them, the people said it was like the ice house or something like that, which basically was it was kind of sunken down into the ground, uh, and it was a cooler like concrete floor to store ice, like just to store ice, like usable ice for like drinks and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

Um but it has these crazy catwalks that the people would like walk on to get the ice, and then everybody's like, oh no, that was just like the pit. And like that's what the doctors would walk on, like they would walk on the catwalks. And I was like, that if that's true, that's that's awful, and I hate it.

SPEAKER_00 19:59

No, I that that that truly does make sense. I mean, how back then those asylums were, uh yeah. Or just storing bodies to test on later. Yeah, like I mean, that's the only biggest thing to have that big of a space for ice.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 20:16

Yeah. So June 1st of 1923, almost the year to the day of filming, right? Or almost the anniversary of the filming. Oh. It's smart, it's May 31st. June 1st is tomorrow. Tomorrow. In 1923. Uh the strange occurrences became less mundane when a body was found near the tower. Carl W. Dodge was a lead cello player in the New York Metropolitan Opera House. He was found with a self-inflicted gunshot wound to his right temple. Gunfire was a common occurrence around the tower. Um, hunting. The next year, the reformer reporter uh the reformer reported of on the careless shootings by local youth by the tower. While the juveniles were shooting their rifles all over town, the tower was a favorite rendezvous for the young men. It's also where they shot a dog owned by a retreat doctor in the leg. So, 1920s, there's a guy who committed suicide at the tower.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

Is this a singular tower? Yeah. Oh, it's just a singular tower.

SPEAKER_03 21:29

It's a singular circular tower that just jets up out of the fucking woods.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

What purpose did it serve? Like a look at the room.

SPEAKER_03 21:37

It was for them to go build. That was it. No, there was no there's no like we're using it for sightseeing or none of that.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

No, it was just a fearpeed thing that they thought would help though.

SPEAKER_03 21:50

We're gonna have you go out here and bust these rocks down, we're gonna do stone masonry, we're gonna build a tower, and it's gonna help you guys.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

For reasons we don't know.

SPEAKER_03 21:59

Yep. So these official incidents gave the retreat a reason to break up the entrance to the tower in 1938. The entrance the entrance was officially closed and supposedly prevented children from being injured in the tower. The unofficial reason for the retreat retreat tower's closure is because patients would allegedly jump to their deaths when they got to the top. While the retreat keeps the actual number of these deaths close to the vest, the ghost refused to be ignored. People who visit the tower have reported an eerie and unsettling feeling when nearing the structure. Yeah, uh it seems to me like tragedy struck this place, and it is a hotbed for tragedy.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Oh, absolutely. You got people who are like, especially like if you'd say schizophrenic people or whatever, like especially uh that or depressed or depression, all that stuff, especially schizophrenic. You know what I'm saying? Like you're hearing voices, and the biggest thing would be like jump, jump, jump. Like that's yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:12

Funny enough, um, one of our mutual friends um at work, I was talking to him the other day, and he was telling me about his wife got on some new medicine and how like excited she was that um she saw it, she stopped seeing like shadow people and stopped hearing voices. And she was telling her her coworker this, and she was like, Honey, you're schizophrenic. And she was like, No, I'm not, and she's like, For real, you are, and then they started drawing the dots, and like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Yeah, because like you would have uh sometimes too, you'll have dogs, like help dogs, and like hey, like meet, or like the dog is trained to greet people, and you would just point at like hey, greet. And if it doesn't go greet, then that's like a not that's not a real person. I'm curious of like what people will see though. Is it like an actual person or is it just a syllabus?

SPEAKER_03 24:12

I'm gonna show you a couple pictures of the tower, okay, and we can just put them up on the screen. It's literally just a singular stone, yeah, just a terrifying, right?

SPEAKER_00 24:24

But look how high it sticks up out of the trees. That is a legit tower from Elden Ring. I'm not even lying. Yeah. That looks like one of the magic towers that you would go up to to get one of the staffs.

SPEAKER_03 24:38

And and here's the other thing, too, in this picture. If you zoom in, there's there's like legit graffiti at the top.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

Yeah. I know. That that legitimately, that looks like just a the cr- why did they build make them build a medieval tower just for no reason?

SPEAKER_03 24:55

I I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

I don't know why they would think I I don't some of the best science you know what I could I think anybody could have been a scientist back in the day.

SPEAKER_03 25:04

But the but that see, that's the thing that gets me though, is like yeah, imagine like seeing it from a distance, and you just see like what looks to be like a silhouette of a person just getting up on the ledge and just oh fuck.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

Oh that I mean that or it could be a lot of money.

SPEAKER_03 25:22

Am I running into the into the woods to try to find where this person just died? Like, what's going on?

SPEAKER_00 25:27

I mean, that's that's also a good place, like a lot of murders probably happen, pushed off the edge, like oh no, they jump.

SPEAKER_03 25:34

Yeah, like well, it the the entrance is supposedly bricked up, but I don't think that stops people.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

I mean, when there's a will, there's a way. Uh yeah. And again, uh who says you can't climb the outside of it?

SPEAKER_03 25:50

I mean, a grappling hook might go a far way.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like okay.

SPEAKER_03 25:56

Yeah. So if you believe it, if you don't, it seems like there's ghosts at Retreat Tower. But that's kind of the other thing, too. Is there's been like from There seems to be a lot of tragedy around. From internet chat boards and everything else, that's a whole thing. Is like multiple people say that they've seen the same thing of the person jumping, of the silhouette of the person jumping.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:19

Which would be even worse if you were to watch, like, if we were to go and that happens, but it's an actual person, and they just like break through the trees and just right in front of us, like, oh fuck!

SPEAKER_00 26:31

Like, oh gosh, but or you think it's just like one of the oh, that was a crazy apparition, and then you look on the news, and it's like yeah, it's like, oh crap, that was an actual person.

SPEAKER_03 26:41

Yeah, local depressed person. Um, all right, so pop culture. The 65-foot stone structure built in the 80s by patients, not been heavily featured as a primary setting in mainstream media. Okay, though it has gained reputation in local folklore and it's and is explored in some podcasts. There are two movies that are loosely associated, one a little bit more stronger, but two movies that are associated with uh the uh Battleboro retreat asylum. One, the one that's more closely related, was Sucker Punch from 2011. Um, in this film, the fictional mental institution, Lennox House, is portrayed as being located in Battleboro, Vermont, nodding indirectly at the real-world Battleboro Dream Ground. Um have you never seen that one? I probably have. They lock the women up and then they uh to like escape the reality. It's like them fighting like giant samurai monsters, and it's like Gun Toadie, and like Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Oh yes, I've seen that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Lob Girl. Yes, I've seen that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:55

So that that movie, like, they're at this asylum, is what it's supposed to be.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

Okay. See, I've always wondered what the name of that movie was before. I was like, dude, what I've been trying to look for that. Yeah. Because I was gonna re-watch it because it's just just to see what it's again.

SPEAKER_03 28:12

I need to go back and actually rewatch it. I think I've only ever watched it once.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

Um, and then the other one is Shutter Island. So it's uh the one with DiCaprio in it. Yeah. So in that one, he goes to an asylum. This one's more located in like an island, but uh like around the Battleboro uh retreat, um, there is like a body of water. Yeah. And I think there's some associated points of like the lighthouse and the tower, and like there's a lot of similar similarities that you can kind of overlay and kind of get to this point.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

What was it like uh the any of the like 42 patients? Like, what do you mean 42? We only counted 41. It's like, no, there's 42.

SPEAKER_03 28:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:56

It's like, no, you're the 46. Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, you don't know if he is insane or if he's not insane. I'll be real, I actually only seen that clip. I didn't see the full movie.

SPEAKER_03 29:08

Oh, I watched the movie in theaters.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Yeah. I only watched that clip of it. All right.

SPEAKER_03 29:13

Scenario-wise, there's not really one that I could really come up with for like a choose your own adventure for this one, though. Okay. To a point, it's like you ended up in the sane asylum and they tell you to go to the top of this tower. Like, what do you do? Um, so my thought process came up with the idea of, hey man, meet we took a trip, a boys trip, right?

SPEAKER_00 29:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:36

We go there, we're we're all having fun, we're doing some like primitive ass stealth camping, right? Like we're not supposed to be camping there, so it's kind of hush hush. We don't want people to know we're there.

SPEAKER_00 29:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

And out of like the four of us that go, you start hearing whispers. Now you know our friends are little little pranksters now. What would you do?

SPEAKER_00 30:00

I'm jumping. I'm gonna show you guys to not prank me ever again. I'd probably do it out of egoness.

SPEAKER_03 30:11

Like the last laugh. Yeah, like what do you what is he talking about? Yeah, where are you going?

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Oh my god. Uh turned his head into chorizo. So if I start hearing like voices, yeah, uh, I'll be real. Dude, I I don't I see it's so hard to like put myself in the shoes of someone who actually hears voices. Uh-huh. And it's just like, because I would I would think, oh no, I I've got the willpower to like shut them off.

SPEAKER_03 30:42

I'd I would be like, yeah I'd be out there going crazy.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

It's so hard because I don't know how they actually like how they are or whatever. Yeah. And I don't know if it's the way that I grew up that it's like I feel like I'm less tempted from other stuff, you know, like being an alcoholic, being addicted. You know, addiction for anything. I just feel like I can handle it. Hold on now.

SPEAKER_02 31:07

No, I I hold on, back it up, back it up, back it up, back it up, back it up, back it up, back it up, back it up, back it up. Hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_03 31:15

We're gonna we're gonna we're we're we're gonna talk about this addiction thing.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

What addiction?

SPEAKER_03 31:19

What addiction? Sir. Yeah. Did you not play the game League of Legends today? Yes. How many accounts on League do you have? I have three.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

Three accounts. Three accounts. Is that not a little addicted? That's not addiction. I made this when I made these accounts when it was only League of Legends that I had. Addicted. It's it was the only game I played and had.

SPEAKER_03 31:47

Addicted. Sure. Um if any of your friends are addicted to League of Legends, please call the addiction help hotline.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

Anywho, I I had that I have that mentality that I I feel like based off of how I was grow grew up, how I was raised and everything, to just like handle whatever it is, especially and and so it translates to like how maybe what it would be like to be schizophrenic in terms of just hearing voices, seeing things. Oh, I I every moment I would probably pee myself. I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_03 32:18

Yeah, that's uh all right, whatever. Yeah. No, I mean if you if you have the willpower to kind of be like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 32:28

And again, I'm hearing something. That's the thing though. I don't want to say that because I don't know how it is to hear voices.

SPEAKER_03 32:36

We're gonna add another layer to this cake, okay? Okay. You start hearing voices and then you start seeing shadow people.

SPEAKER_00 32:44

Uh I immediately am telling all of you guys that either we leave or I'm leaving. I do not care.

SPEAKER_03 32:55

Okay, here's the deal though.

SPEAKER_00 32:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:57

We all agree to leave. Okay. We know we're there illegally. None of us are hearing anything or seeing anything. But we say, hey, we're gonna break into the tower and go to the top.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

Uh I say you guys have a grand old time. I'm gonna be the dumbass in the horror movie to be like, you know what? I'm gonna go off on my own and go to call go to the car, right? And you guys are gonna get to the t get to the tower, and then you're gonna hear the horn like just me. You're gonna tell on us? No, no, the horn's gonna go, and you're like, what the you go to the car, all the doors are open, it's just the horn. We're not doing the passenger thing.

SPEAKER_03 33:38

God. Dude, that trailer scared the teetotal shit out of me. Have you seen it? The pat the trailer for it?

SPEAKER_00 33:45

I uh I'd seen the where he keeps passing by. I think that part of the trailer.

SPEAKER_03 33:53

The theatrical part of that, the theatrical trailer was just like, God.

SPEAKER_00 33:57

Yeah. Uh no, but I feel like I would set myself up as like a cliche horror movie as I'm like turning back to walk back. I'm like, wait, this is such a cliche thing. I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna stick with the group. I'm not gonna be like, let's split up, gang, and then just die off.

SPEAKER_03 34:16

I'm not, no, I feel like you would get to the car and he'd like get in it and be like, okay, I'm safe. And then you'd look in the mirror and there's just like a shadow person behind you, just like reaching for you. Uh and he'd just like puppet.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

No, no, no, no. I wouldn't even get to the car. Oh I would turn around and like, all right, fine, I'll I'll go with you guys. Like, I there's there's no shot. I'm gonna do the let's split up, gang. Like, that's just not so now.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

Here's the thing though. Here's the thing. Yeah, what's up? We're boys, alright? We're pretty close, right? We we do all our birthdays together, all our family events. I see you minimum six times a week, right?

SPEAKER_00 34:56

Less now.

SPEAKER_03 34:57

We we we're on our we on a we are we are on a gym membership together, okay? Brother, if you looked at me and said, Tyler, I'm hearing voices and seeing shadow people. Motherfucker, like, get in the car, let's go. Like, I'm out. Like, you tell me that, I'm gone.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:18

Like, we're we're we're I'm I am get like pedaled to the metal out of there.

SPEAKER_00 35:22

If there's one thing too, is like I hate being the buzzkill of like the group, but if it's like getting to the pressing matter, like of where I'm dead set on kit like being the buzzkill, then you definitely know if something's wrong with that. Yeah, you're pretty down for anything. No, we're leaving. Like we're gonna be. I'm leaving the with the car or we're leaving with the car. There's no shot I'm staying here. I'm taking the keys. If I had to fight you for them, I will. I'm leaving. Like, that's how dead, like, scared I would be.

SPEAKER_03 35:54

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, for real though, if like I think the only person that, like, in terms of our little haunted espionage group that we've done one or two things with, like, if Andrew looked at me and was like, I'm hearing things, I'd be like, Okay. You know what I mean? Oh gosh, it's so hard with people. Yeah, I guess. I feel like even with Cody, I'd be like, alright, dude, like, whatever. I don't know. I guess it kind of depends on their on their on their body language too. Cause this is like pale white and like wild eye. Like, I'm hearing and seeing things. You know what's crazy?

SPEAKER_00 36:29

I think with the voices and the whispers, I think I wouldn't even tell you guys, like, because I'd be like, nah, I didn't hear that. Like, I'd be dismiss dismissive until it gets to like, okay, that wasn't my voice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:42

You know, and I think it would be mad, but could you imagine they're just like, they're all just racist ghosts?

SPEAKER_00 36:50

Yeah, I'd be mad.

SPEAKER_03 36:55

They're just saying slurs. But they're like the n like 1800s to the like early 1900s slurs, so you don't necessarily know what they mean. Long got away. We all start hearing them when they start looking, yeah, the caramel colored one. Like, what the we all kind of look like, oh until one like whispers like Bush did 9-11. It's like, oh no.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

I saw a reel doing that where it's like the voices are acting up again, but then one of them starts giving financial advice, and you're like, you're not using your portfolio correctly. It's like you should download Rocket Money. That's what they are. They're all ads. Oh my gosh. Welcome to the 30. Welcome to Free Spotify music.

SPEAKER_03 37:57

All the ghosts are just ads playing in her head. You're just out there in the woods, like, guys, did you know that Nissan Ultima's on sale again?

SPEAKER_00 38:05

Like, it's happy Honda days. Like, guys, we gotta go. Cracker Barrel's doing a 50% off. Timu, you can shop like a billionaire.

SPEAKER_03 38:19

Oh, that would be hilarious.

unknown 38:22

God.

SPEAKER_03 38:23

Alright, you ready for this movie idea? Yeah. Alright, you got one? Believe it or not, I feel like you got one though. Yeah, I think I do. Welcome to the Monster Movie Maker moment, where we're gonna talk about retreat tower of Battle Boro Retreat in Vermont. Almost the same asylum. Context here.

SPEAKER_00 38:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:46

Alright, what's your idea?

SPEAKER_00 38:47

Okay, so I kind of wanted to go off of what we were like kind of saying with the what would you do and kind of scenario thing. And gosh, my allergies are now. Uh so I I wanted to go off of that the spirit of uh Battle Reach or what Battle Barrel. Battle Barrel. Um Retreat Tower. That the spirits of whatever, like you said, that you do camping there, it's a group of friends. But it's do it's it's picking one at a time. Like it's it's getting one person at a time, going like, hey, whispers, blah blah blah blah, seeing shadow figures, and I think it starts ramping up as closer as you get to the tower and whatever. And I think the first death of it is being like, hey, let's go to the tower. And you got that one guy who's like who's not telling anybody, he's he's just for like you're screaming at the movie, like, dude, just say something.

SPEAKER_02 39:51

Say something, your friends are gonna die.

SPEAKER_00 39:53

He's not saying anything about like what he's seeing, what he's getting talked about, like his and then go up to the tower, they all are looking over, and he's looking over and he's shaking because he's like, like, jump, jump, like it's it's getting louder and louder, and louder, louder until he looks like progressively getting more aggressive, and as he turns to like leave to go down, it's like a like a uh disfigured lady or whatever, yeah, or guy, or whoever. And then he just like turns around and like or just falls. Just and the group's like, what the yeah, and so they go, and it's like, and you got that one ass, one a-hole who's like, we gotta cover it up. Like, they're gonna think it's us.

SPEAKER_03 40:38

Oh, they're gonna think we brought him up here and killed him. Yeah, it's like because we didn't like his girlfriend.

SPEAKER_00 40:45

Yeah, it's like they're gonna think we did it, blah blah blah blah. It's like, no, we just gotta, we gotta call it in. It's like, no, shut up. Like, we gotta, we gotta cover it up. We gotta blah blah blah blah. And then it like goes to another person, uh-huh. Whispers, all that stuff. It's like, guys, um like did you guys hear that? It's like, no, we didn't hear anything, blah blah blah. And they go to carry it off, and I guess these people would die. Like, their deaths would be each different, maybe. Uh-huh. Um, one of them, I want to say, like, after it gets crazy, like, because they each like now they gotta go search for one of them. Like, one of them walks off because of the voices, and like, okay, we gotta go search for them. And now, when a different person hears it, you already know the other person's dead, right? So you kind of get like I said, it's going to one person at a time. So they're picking them off one at a time, and it's like, guys, I hear like I'm starting to hear things, like, I'm gonna go back to the car. Yeah, like I can't do this, this is too scary. I I we gotta go. Goes off to the car. Because but they're like, okay, but we're gonna continue searching.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 41:52

So, oh my gosh, dude. Going that the lady goes to the car, uh-huh. And then, like, of course, she's gonna die, right? Maybe she sees something in the back, it's like the shadow person, like she's trying to get self-service, right? Sees the shadow people. Yeah. Um, maybe it leads I wanna say that this is the way to beat it, is like you have to just not because what is happening is like it they're making them basically commit unaliving themselves. You know. So the way to do it is to for a full day, full night of hearing the voices and seeing the people, and it's as it gains intensity on the first on the next sunrise is when it stops, right? And then after that, you it's they're it's done, right? So it's like a uh a trial almost.

SPEAKER_03 42:48

And uh I gotta I gotta twist on this. Okay. So instead of it being a trial, right? The first death when the guy turns around and sees the person and it pushes them, it's a it's a it's a doctor, right? So then what it is, it is the the patient, the ghosts of the patients in unmarked graves, trying to get people to listen to them to then like find and put their bodies to rest because they're just like buried in shallow graves on the ground somewhere, right? So what's happening is the evil entity that is this doctor is injecting himself in and turning, so it's like they'll hear whispers and like were you know, like kind of like were I I I'm hearing whispers, but I can't make out what it is. Yeah. But the all the evil access one doctor doctor kind of carried out, kind of permeate and like he's trapped there too. And the only way he thinks that he's getting out is by finishing the work he was set out to do. So as people come to the tower and onto the ground. He's using his influence, his otherworldly influence to in basically hurt themselves. So like you get to the woman in the car, right? And the doctor's the shadow person she's seeing, right? And from her perspective, it's the shadow person giving her like an ice pick lobotomy, but in reality, it's herself giving her one.

SPEAKER_00 44:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:23

Oh. So like car car seats lean back, like she's got like whatever whatever tool screwdriver in, and she's doing it to herself, like the bam, bam, pow. And it breaks, and she's scrambling her brain and dying. But like in her in her mental state, she's seeing him do it. Like she's restrained on a table and he's doing it to her. And then she's just like, it's just her carrying out its action. Oh.

SPEAKER_00 44:53

The doctor's action. Yeah, I can see that.

SPEAKER_03 44:56

And then finally, I think what your your end goal is, is the remaining two people or the remaining person finds the unmarked graves, right? And then the good spirits are released in order to combat the bad. And then you kind of have like that spiritual good versus evil knockdown slug out for a second. Boom, boom, boom, right? Yeah. And then they get to walk out of the woods. Yeah, you see like the manifestation of like white, like the white light spirits and then the dark spirit, and then yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:31

I can even see that too.

SPEAKER_03 45:33

Uh but you can do such cool camera work with having the shadows like peeking behind trees and shit.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

I you know what's crazy? I really want to say that one of them is unaffected only because they are actually schizophrenic themselves. Oh, that'd be kind of funny. Like they like they so they take heavy medicine to kind of counteract it. Counteract it. They know, like, okay, I don't I don't know if they have like maybe breathing techniques or like how to like calm themselves. So they like, yeah, okay, this is what you do, this is the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 46:05

They have they have some sort of coping mechanism. Yes, they know how to cope with it.

SPEAKER_00 46:09

They're like, hey, this is what you do, like calm down, stop, breathe, and then like I'm not trying to be this way.

SPEAKER_03 46:16

Like going back to the car. Like the ice pick lobotomy could happen anywhere, right? That's just a screwdriver. I just feel like that one should be like No, the fucking electroshock therapy, where the person like pulls the the cables out of the car, like the terminal cables, and then uses the car battery and just like sticks.

SPEAKER_00 46:35

Oh, that could be one where where they go back to the car and he sees the girl, and it's like, yeah, and then he's like, oh, falls down, and then he like gets up and he turns around and it's the doctor. Yeah, and it's like, oh, yeah. He grabs him, and then it's like he's shocking him, but in in retro like reality, he's doing it.

SPEAKER_03 46:54

He's doing it to himself and shocking him, and it's like, oh, so yeah, that would be like that would be a very like mind fucky like twisty because you could even play it to where you watch kind of almost how like weapons did it, where it was like character A and like their reality what happens, and character B and their reality of what happens, character C and what their reality of what happens.

SPEAKER_00 47:23

It kind of like it makes it weird because like the person who's schizophrenic is unaffected by what's happening, but it's seeing all their friends just doing these things to themselves, like horrific things to themselves, yeah. That even they start thinking like this is a schizophrenic episode.

SPEAKER_03 47:39

Yeah, yeah. Like this is an episode because there's no way that this is my medicine isn't working, something's wrong. Yeah, but that's the cool thing too, is because you could do like character A. So, like, say character A, Ethan, right? And it starts off, he starts hearing the voices, blah blah blah. They go to the top of the tower, he jump he like turns around and sees like the ghost doctor, right? Yeah, push him.

SPEAKER_00 48:03

You know what would be a crazy twist is at the end of this is the person who was unaffected because they just witnessed all their friends dead. The cops are like, What did you do? Like, so you just watch all of them just kill them. And it's like, no, no, no, they get admitted to an asylum. Like in uh, right? And the first doctor they see that that person tag is the same doctor. That would be that'd be and it just like like we're gonna have so much fun.

SPEAKER_03 48:36

Well, that also turns into like the whole like is it is it all in their head? Is it not in their head? Are they truly insane? Like, what is happening?

SPEAKER_00 48:48

Or like it skips and it and it goes to like, hey, we have a new doctor here, they're gonna help you out, and then doctor blah blah blah blah comes in and it's that doctor.

SPEAKER_03 48:59

Yeah, and it's like it's like way I really like the idea of doing it like character by character though, because you can you could do old boy jumping from the tower for his death, right? And then back it up 10 minutes, start on character B, say Sarah, and Sarah is watching this guy, like you know, whatever, blah blah blah. But then it yeah, you see his death not from his perspective with the doctor. You just see him get to the edge of the tower and kind of look off and then turn back around and just go backwards. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 49:36

Like I just had a crazy like thought. What if there's three perspective three reality character A, character B, and then the character C. Character C is us, like the the the audience. Uh-huh. Our reality is seeing them like hurting themselves.

SPEAKER_01 49:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:54

Right? Character A is our character B is the doctor doing it to them, right? Character A is the schizophrenic person actually killing them.

SPEAKER_03 50:06

Is doing it.

SPEAKER_00 50:07

Oh. Like, it's a twist on like everything. So it's it's A, B, and C. So like in the movie, anything is real and nothing is happening.

SPEAKER_03 50:18

It's kind of like the Schrdinger's box of a movie.

SPEAKER_00 50:21

It's like it's like anything is happening while nothing is real.

SPEAKER_03 50:25

Yeah, it's all happening, but none of it's real.

SPEAKER_00 50:27

It's just it's just a mind mind fall.

SPEAKER_03 50:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:30

You know what I'm saying? It would be.

SPEAKER_03 50:32

I was about to say, I mean, you could you could layer this one so twisty, and then, but also have it like, I hate to say almost elegantly simple, because like there's three, yeah, you're seeing three realities. You're having this happen, you're having this person explain that this is happening in this way, and you have this person doing the thing.

SPEAKER_00 50:53

Everybody's thinking, okay, it's just two two realities, right? It's an audience person uh POV, and then it's it's their POV, right? Yeah, but then it's toward at the end when the doctor comes in, yeah, and it's like, so why did you kill all? Like, say see you killed all of them. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. They they were blah blah blah blah. Yeah, you did it. They were yelling out doctors or something. It's like, no, you killed them. Yeah. The way that they went out is like, it's like, then why do we have this recording of you?

SPEAKER_01 51:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:25

It's like a phone or one of like it's her phone or whatever. Or she was recording the entire time.

SPEAKER_03 51:32

You the yeah, because you could have she pushed him off, gave her friend the lobotomy, did the electroshock therapy on one of their friends. In their reality, it's the doctor doing it to them. In her reality, it's them in our reality, it's them doing it to themselves. In her reality, it's the doctor doing it to them, and then in their reality, it's her doing it to them, right? Is that the reason the layer?

SPEAKER_00 52:02

So, like, I would say in their reality.

SPEAKER_03 52:05

In the in the victim's reality.

SPEAKER_00 52:08

I guess they would see that it's her, right? Of course.

SPEAKER_03 52:11

Now, but here's the thing, too, though, right? She could be drugging them.

SPEAKER_00 52:16

Oh, she didn't want to take the medicine anymore. She didn't want to take the medicine anymore, and they asked her, like, hey, did you take the medicine? Yep, it's all gone. Like, I I ran out. Yeah, she's just placing her friends. I took the last one, yeah, but she put it in the food, whatever they had. And so they start seeing, but it's the doctor, but it's actually her. Because she didn't take the medicine, and well, she's she's acting up. And the and the doctors, the the she sees that it's like they're doing it to themselves, she's freaking out. Like, she doesn't know what's happening.

SPEAKER_03 52:50

And then see, I don't I almost like it in the in the realm of she's the one that sees the doctor doing it to them, right?

SPEAKER_00 53:00

I was almost thinking like they see the doctor doing it to themselves. Uh-huh. We see that they're doing it to themselves. No doctor, know her. That we think it's just them. And then she sees that they are doing it to themselves as well.

SPEAKER_03 53:14

See, I'm almost almost like you almost have like a triangle, right?

SPEAKER_00 53:18

So from the Yeah, this is it's so hard to do I think I think what we do. Dude, I'm I'm like messing myself in your single.

SPEAKER_03 53:27

So I think what we do. Alright, hear me out. You have the schizophrenic patient and the doctor relationship. He's feeding her pills to keep her sane. She doesn't like him because of whatever emotional trauma or maybe there was physical trauma there or something that she's like, I don't like him. I'm not doing anything that he's telling me to do anymore. And he could be a fucking creep. And I'm okay with that. He could be a disgusting, like he could be like S Aider or whatever, right? Yeah. So then she, when she sees her friends dying, she's seeing him do that, do it to her or to her friends, right? So she in her reality, she's off her meds, and she sees this doctor like murdering her friends. In her friends' reality, right? Uh-huh. In her friend's reality, you almost have to have it them seeing her, and then from us, it's we see it, them doing it to themselves, but her saying it's the ghost doctor, right?

SPEAKER_00 54:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we can see that it's it's like, oh, there's two POVs. We think it's two POVs. Yeah. So the audience sees both, right? Yeah, the audience is seeing the ghosts.

SPEAKER_03 54:40

We don't see the word until the end. Yeah, we're seeing her see the ghost doctor doing it to them, them doing it to themselves, and then at the end we meet the doctor, and then we we figure out why did you do this to your friends, and we see the phone POV of her attacking her friends. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:00

I wouldn't even say that each of them had a GoPro.

SPEAKER_03 55:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:03

Like for the adventure.

SPEAKER_03 55:05

I I even I hate to say, man, like you could do like security footage, you could do it. Well, how in this, like, maybe in this the camping, maybe even that's kind of the whole thing, though, is like it's on the grounds of Battle Boro.

SPEAKER_00 55:20

Yeah, that's where it's like, okay, do we want to keep it like okay? I would say it's GoPro found footage at the end, towards towards the end where the doctor is explaining, like, you are covering up your trauma. Yeah, this is what happened.

SPEAKER_01 55:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:38

Like, Stacy, we need to get you.

SPEAKER_03 55:39

Oh my god, and then he then he could be just like gaslighting her and like just feeding her a fucking medicine cocktail. When in reality it was actually him.

SPEAKER_00 55:49

Like, it wasn't none of it was none of it was a schizophrenic episode.

SPEAKER_03 55:54

It was actually him killing them all. He dosed her down to make her think that she was having an episode and he was actually out there just murdering her friends and like doing all these horrific things to them. And then that's when you go to the ice house and her friends are just like in there being preserved, like pieces of meat.

SPEAKER_00 56:12

Oh my god. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 56:13

You could almost get into like that kind of like uh what do they call it? It's not stock, it's like Stockholm Syndrome, but not but you know, yeah, Stockholm Syndrome, where like people who are capped like kidnapped, and then they're like held held captive, they end up falling in love with their captor. It's like you could even have it like that, like, oh well, you know, he's he's taking care of me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, you could have these like kind of insane twisting moments where it's like, yeah, we just find out that at the end the doctors are completely.

SPEAKER_00 56:43

This movie needs to be a movie with a twist on a twist.

SPEAKER_03 56:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:47

With a twist.

SPEAKER_03 56:49

Or twist. Here we go, right? You have you have the twist. Boom, boom, boom. Yeah. The real all the different POV is the realities, right? We get to the end, right? We shoot three separate endings.

unknown 57:01

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 57:02

Oh gosh. So you have the one where the doctor's a monster, the one where she had a schizophrenic episode and killed her, and then one where it was something actually paranormal.

SPEAKER_00 57:11

Oh goodness. Yeah. That would be an insane. And then depending on where you watch it. No, I was gonna say, like, this would be like such a crazy experiment of like we don't tell anybody that they're different endings. We say, hey, this is it's just one ending, guys. We don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 57:30

It's free on Patreon, it's free on YouTube, it's free over here. And depending on where you watch it, you get a different a different twist ending.

SPEAKER_00 57:39

And we're gonna say, like, guys, there's only one ending. And then we just gaslight. Yeah, it's like there's only one ending. No, I went to Patreon and YouTube, and I watched both of them. And then, like, periodically would switch it. Start switching them going back and forth. It's like, guys, we only filmed one. But like, there's an argument, and like Reddit is like, no, there is only one.

SPEAKER_03 58:05

You would just mind fuck an entire generation of people into being like, reality's a construct. I don't know, I don't understand. It's the Mandela effect. I remember seeing him, the doctor, being the monster, but now it's the girl.

SPEAKER_00 58:19

Well, I can even see, like, on like either if it plays in theaters, right? Yep. First night, that ending. Oh my god. Second night, it's a different ending.

SPEAKER_03 58:28

Oh my god, people would be going to fist fights over this.

SPEAKER_00 58:32

Like, it would be like, guys, there's like that ending was insane. Like, the paranormal activity. What? What are you talking about? The girl killer. The girl got off her beds and killed everybody.

SPEAKER_03 58:49

People just fist fighting in the street pissed off because we gas lit them all into balloon.

SPEAKER_00 58:54

No, the dress is gold.

SPEAKER_03 58:55

Yeah, exactly. We'll go right back to that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:58

It's like, no, it's black and blue.

SPEAKER_03 59:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:02

But I think that would be such a sick idea to do. It's like different endings, but never tell anybody that it has different endings. Um.

SPEAKER_03 59:10

And it would be so cool to take it to like indie film festivals and stuff like that. Like the like the little horror spots and just like show one there, put it on YouTube for like a limited time, put one over here for a limited time, and just like recirculate, recirculate, recirculate. Yeah. Yeah. That would be fucking sick. We need money. We need money to fund these ideas, because I feel like that would be a fun movie to make.

SPEAKER_00 59:36

That would be a fun one. I mean, you could make a hard one. It'd be a hard budget one, but like.

SPEAKER_03 59:42

I don't even see, but that's the thing. I don't even think it would be like hard like a hard pressed budget movie. Strider, get down. Get down. Get off my desk. I don't think it would be that hard of a budget. I think I think you could probably get away with doing so much with minimal lighting and lighting effects. Your biggest thing is going to have somebody like the the doctor being a ghost, right? And your schizophrenic person are gonna have to be your two crazy actors. And then like your other three to four are just kind of like they need to be good actors, but they're not, they can kind of throw away actors.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:23

I would even say the first death one is a like, okay, you're a minimal actor, like you're not they're not I mean, you're not bad, yeah, but you're you're gonna die first. Like you're you're gonna be the first death. You don't need to do a lot. Who would be who would be the main girl?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:38

Because like she'd have to have final girl energy because in her reality, she's believing that the doctor is killing them all, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:46

So you'd have like, or the the spirit of the doctor is killing them all, or whatever the fuck she believes. Like, who would have the final girl energy to like carry that?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:56

Like to carry that and be like crazy and like to show the craziness while also being like, oh, I'm a final girl, like badass.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:06

Like to a point. I don't know, but that's a solid movie idea. That is that's probably one of her better ones. That's a that's a yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:16

He's starting to get fleshed out.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:18

That was a thick. That was a that was a thick, girthy, girthy one.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:22

Alright. Well, I'm pretty sure that's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:25

My brain feels like just be thinking about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:29

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SPEAKER_03 1:02:29

Ghosts and ghouls. Stay creepy.