In Search of Schrödinger’s Cat | Ch. 1 - 6

John Gribbon introduces quantum physics, by laying the foundation with a refresher on classical and new physics. We didn’t expect so much drama in the science community, and this book definitely delivers the tea! With quantum physics, came the revolutionary discovery that all matter and energy behave with wave-like and particle-like properties. Does the following question intrigue you? Why don’t electrons collapse into the atom’s nucleus? Then this book is for you! 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:06

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SPEAKER_00 0:19

I'm executive producer Paige Turner, and joining us are your hosts, Claire, Tiff, and Courtney. Please hold while we connect you to the hosts. And again, welcome to Plotline Hotline.

SPEAKER_01 0:33

How are we doing, fellas? We're doing good. We're doing good. Our counting just reminded me there's one uh this girl on our basketball team who she's a middle school basketball coach, so I like to think she does it with them too. But um, Claire, I don't think you ever played with her, her name's Catherine. But she will go, Bob's on three. One, two, three, and um, or no, she'll go Bob's on three, three, two, one, and I'm like, oh. So it's actually Bob's on one, Catherine is what we should be saying.

SPEAKER_04 1:04

It really tickles me. But it's never actually on three or one.

SPEAKER_01 1:09

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 1:10

It's always on zero or four, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:12

That's a really good point. Bob's on four. One damn. That's funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:18

Um anyways, how's it going? How are we doing? Claire, how are you? I'm sleepy. I just saw Courtney, so starting with you.

SPEAKER_02 1:24

Oh, yeah, we guys were together all weekend. Um, I'm good. I'm sleepy. Life has been full throttle. A lot of irons in the oven.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

Um that is famously the saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

That is, we're all saying that. A lot of irons in the oven. A little bit, a little bit of irons, a little bit of oven, a little bit of turned up. Um, things are good. Life's just full throttle, and it's April 1st, and I don't have any good pranks for April 1st, so I'm about to do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:54

Yeah, I'm too everyone. Stay vigilant on the internet. You're gonna get pranked today. I woke up, you know, six minutes ago, rolled over to Amy and said, It's April 1st. Don't fall for anything.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

That was kind of you. Instead of your first move to be to trick her, it was to warn her. That's true, love.

SPEAKER_04 2:13

No, I'm too in love, unfortunately. Just want the best for.

SPEAKER_02 2:17

Was that thought just simmering all night? Like your brain was just really.

SPEAKER_04 2:20

No, I got up this I woke up, my alarm went off, and then I got on my phone to like keep myself awake. And I got on Instagram and there was already a prank, and I was like, oh my god. What was it?

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Was it any good? Because I feel like anyone's an error.

SPEAKER_04 2:34

It they they made a post being like, we're gonna start talking more corporate. And I was like, what the fuck is this? And then I like went into the comments and I was like, oh my god, okay. Get me out of here.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

Yeah, but you know what? They made you, they made you into go into the comments so that you're doing something right.

SPEAKER_04 2:50

Yeah, yeah. I will say it's I didn't follow them or interact with the posts in any way other than what's going on here? Comments are always solving that shit for me.

SPEAKER_02 3:03

They are. Um, well, I'll do my best to stay vigilant today. I'll probably forget, but I'm doing my best. Um, yeah, things are just there's a lot going on, so that's all I got for you. I don't got much more.

SPEAKER_04 3:14

What's what's all the a lot going on?

SPEAKER_02 3:16

Well, just you know, we're we're doing our business stuff, we're training for a triathlon, I'm playing hockey. I think I might have done something like that. First goal.

SPEAKER_04 3:24

I heard Claire got a goal in hockey.

SPEAKER_02 3:27

I did. I did. And let's just say there's there there was a sweet moment because they play music and it's like I forget the song. I but it there was such a vibe of me just skating away from the hockey goal with the song playing on. Megan was in the stands, I was pointing to her. I felt like that. Oh my god, Megan Willy, yeah, I felt like it was uh a gold medal shot in the overtime to win the game. A cool camaraderie kind of shot. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 3:55

Mm-hmm. Like opposite of heated rivalry. Yeah, thank you for explaining that. I also needed it, and I saw the show. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:04

So yeah. So it's just uh I feel like I'm actually like you, Tif. I was thinking the other night, I was like, I wonder if this is how Tiff feels every day. She just has such a packed day of uh efficiency. Like you're a machine, Tiff.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

I haven't worked since I've been. I was gonna say, you say that. I was with Tiff last week.

SPEAKER_04 4:22

I didn't work at all last week. I haven't worked at all this week. I'm working on like my website and stuff like that, but I'm just like, that's so funny, Claire, because I'm the full opposite right now.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

Somebody, something's uh hitting me full throttle.

SPEAKER_04 4:38

This is good. Maybe we're just we're passing the torch. Maybe I can grab that back. I can grab that back from you soon, but I'm not uh not too early. No rush actually.

SPEAKER_02 4:47

No rush on my end. Yeah, so let's walk through what's up with you. And are you choosing not to work or is is it just a slow period?

SPEAKER_04 4:55

Um, to I mean, to be honest, none of my clients have necessarily reached out, but I also have not reached out to any of them. I do think last year, April and May were very slow months for me. Um, so I've been just kind of working on I'm reorganizing my website, putting some new work on my website, and then I'm gonna make a new reel. So that's like kind of what I'm doing. But honestly, I've been like waking up and playing video games and doing nothing, and it's been so nice. Oh yeah. In your recovery, yeah, in my recovery era. Also, like I did just move, so there is just like there's like little bits and bobs that I've been cleaning up as well this week. So I I've been doing stuff, I just have not been doing too many irons in the oven, you know, that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 5:48

Also, can we like normalize um doing stuff that isn't work and it's still being considered productive?

SPEAKER_04 5:54

Oh, for sure. No, like I feel like I'm still being very productive. I feel like I would not be able to not be doing anything productive like when I'm not working. I there are days, obviously, where it's like, oh, I just want to get up and play video games and eat chips. Um but I think I really enjoy having like stuff to do, getting stuff done, having stuff to do. So I've had some stuff to fill my days, which is nice.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

That is nice. What's the video game on your mind right now?

SPEAKER_04 6:25

Oh, I got back into Call of Duty. Yeah, buddy.

SPEAKER_02 6:28

Did you two play?

SPEAKER_04 6:30

No. No, no, no, no. This was post-Courtney, post-Courtney visit. Courtney had me busy because can I tell you what Courtney and I did one night? Wait, that sounds crazy. I would love to know. Oh god, that does sound crazy. We'd love for someone to tell us because we blacked out at 8 p.m. on a Thursday.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Oh my god, I love it. Brown.

SPEAKER_04 6:53

Brown. I fully blacked out on my walk. I do not remember walking home, and I got home and I was covered in mud.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

No, she was covered in beans. I thought it was beans.

SPEAKER_04 7:05

I was so confused. Wait, I need to pull up the text message. Is there evidence? So we went to yes, there's evidence. There's photos, and Claire, I'll send these to you. Maybe we'll put them on the Instagram. But uh, no, Courtney's uh well we went to Cubs Opening Day Internet. Yeah, we went to Cubs Opening Day at 1 p.m. So we met up around noon in Wrigley, had a beer at the bar there, then went to the game, got a hot dog, had like three beers, you know. That's like an average that feels pretty good for a baseball game. For sure. Then me, Courtney, and you've met Connor, right, Mary's husband?

SPEAKER_02 7:47

Only via photos, but I have a picture.

SPEAKER_04 7:50

Yes, so Mary wasn't there, which was our downfall because she normally keeps the wheels on the bus.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

She's hitting the brakes when everybody else is hitting the gas. She's famously hitting the brakes. In a good way. In a very good way.

SPEAKER_04 8:04

Three people with a lot of gas. Critics are calling it too much gas. Too much gas. Cordy, your little your little pain. Sorry, I know you didn't want to talk about it on the pod. Your little pain could be Marty's Aftershock. We went to this place called Marty's to get martinis. Marty's Martini Bar. Shout out to Marty's Martini Bar. And um looking back, they were serving us doubles. Oh my god. The martinis were huge. I was two handing it at one point. And Courtney and I had the total of one hot dog at the baseball game.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

Well, I also had McDonald's breakfast because I drove in that morning. She drove in that morning. I had fried rice for breakfast.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

You're like full, like, okay, but we're we're spinning driving. Like, this is a full day of five days.

SPEAKER_04 8:53

And then she had a hot dog at the game. I also just had a hot dog at the game, and then we went to Marty's at 5 p.m. We had a martini. Guess we had another one. Oh my god. And I was like, Don't stop there, Tiff. One of us. Oh, and then and then I had so I had two and a half martinis. I had a little guy. But turns out but turns out the little guy is a normal size martini, so I think I had five martinis. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

Yeah, because I think the I think the first two were doubles. Unbeknownst to us when we ordered them. Unbeknownst to us. He didn't say, he didn't say, hey, these are doubles. He just gave us the doubles.

SPEAKER_04 9:35

Well, responsible adults would see how drunk they were getting and stop.

SPEAKER_01 9:39

Well, responsible bartenders would also put a stop to that.

SPEAKER_04 9:42

Yeah, well, there were a couple responsible bartenders later in the night. I can't. So 6.30 p.m. rolls around, we're hitting number two. Uh, and I only know this because that's the only photo evidence of the night, and we don't remember the photo being taken. Oh my gosh. It's the time stamped at 6.38 p.m. Which we were on our second, and then I had another one after that, and then I'm not gonna lie, we just got a couch, so we didn't have a couch for a couple days, but I woke up at 10:30 p.m. on my living room floor, covered in what I thought was beans, was mud. I thought it was beans because I had Taco Bell next to me. I spilled a whole Pepsi in the hallway, and my glasses were sitting in the hallway. And I woke up at 10:30 and I knew Amy was gonna be home at midnight, and I was like, oh my god, get it together. And I like got myself up and I was like, I told Amy if she had found me where I was that she might have called the ambulance. Oh my god. I was so, I was so drunk. Even when I woke up at 10:30, I was hammered trying to get ready for bed. I got everything wet. I just like, oh my god, dude. That was crazy. And I didn't, I woke like then I was up at like 4 a.m., you know, when you're like kind of hung over from being drunk. And I uh was like in the kitchen and I was texting Courtney because Courtney was also awake.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

No, TIFF texted, yeah. TIFF texted at like 4, hang on, I gotta, I gotta right here, I got the timestamps. She texted at 4 18 a.m. I responded at 4 45, and then she was still up, so she responded. I was up for the rest of the day at that point. Yeah. I said, Oh my god, you're awake. Connor is the only one who should be awake because Connor had a 7 45 a.m. flight. And Tiff said maybe she did not make, which he did not make. Which he did not make.

SPEAKER_04 11:39

Oh my god. Well, because there's more to the story.

SPEAKER_01 11:42

So Tif okay. Tif Okay.

SPEAKER_04 11:45

Oh, we can talk about the texts in a little bit. Yeah. So I well then eventually during the day I text and I'm like, Clear, the story is only halfway over. Yeah. I texted and I was like, oh my god, I was home by 8:30. What the hell? Like, I don't know. I left and just went home because myself knew I was like, I'm blacked out. I gotta go home.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

So you didn't go home with Connor and Courtney.

SPEAKER_04 12:08

No, no, we were Marty's is like a couple blocks from my apartment. Okay. So I apparently they let me walk home, which should not have happened. I do not. I also there isn't remember a lick of it.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

There is a there's an hour missing, so I'm wondering. Well, no, because if we walked you home, I would know what you mean on your pants.

SPEAKER_04 12:29

No, you did not walk me home because Courtney and Connor, after Marty's, were busy doing something else. Oh my god, Courtney has been. Don't say it like that. Don't say it like that. They tried to go to a bar here called Hop Leaf, which Claire, I think maybe I took you and Megan too. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

I think you did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:47

It's like a cool German bar you see. I know exactly what you're talking about. And they got turned away at the door.

SPEAKER_01 12:55

They said, we think you've been overserved. We don't think you should come in. And we said, we said, we're fine. And they said, no, you're not. And we said, okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

When's the last time you've been turned down at a bar?

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Uh not the first time I've been turned out at hop leaf, but uh it's they're really strict about IDs there. It's very strange. It's like kind of weird. It's okay. Jill, I was talking to Jill and Simone, um, Mary's cousins, about this, and they said they've gone there without IDs. They are 50 years old and like kind of got the huh? And like they were like, come on, like let us 50. So anyway, they're very strict about IDs there. Uh, but the last time I got turned down at a bar for being drunk, never. I don't think.

SPEAKER_02 13:45

That's pretty wild. That's pretty.

SPEAKER_04 13:47

I told Amy this, and Amy looked at me and goes, That's so embarrassing. And I was like, I we were that we were we were embarrassing.

SPEAKER_02 13:57

So when you were telling the story, okay, you're you're going, but I just want to say, because you brought a baby, when you're telling the story, I'm like, this is amazing. Because this is Courtney's first sleepover. The fur after Amy and Tiff have moved in together, and this this is the shenanigans she gets to see behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_04 14:14

Let me be clear, Courtney wasn't staying with me. She was staying with her friend Chelsea. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

Tiff didn't have Tiff didn't have a couch yet. So I didn't stay with her till a couple days later.

SPEAKER_04 14:24

Which thank God Courtney was not staying with me because we would have probably I probably would have followed them out to the karaoke bar.

SPEAKER_02 14:32

That's where we went after after Hop Leaf.

SPEAKER_04 14:34

After getting kicked out of hop leaf, after getting not let into Hopleaf, they went to Louie's. And Courtney, you can tell this part because I wasn't there, but I do know the details from what I've heard.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Uh so we got to Louie's. Connor, I will say, Connor loves karaoke, and he's so good at it. He's very good at it. He's so good at it. Uh, and so there's a bar called Louie's that we love. And so we went to Louie's. I didn't drink at all. I ate a bunch of popcorn. That was my dinner, which is crazy. And then I left because my phone was dying, and I was like, I gotta I gotta go home. I can't, I cannot be in public anymore. And then Connor stayed for quite a while. What time did you leave? I left at 1020. Okay, and then what did Connor text you? Connor texts me the next day and said, What time did you leave? And I said 1020 because my phone was dying, and and then he texted me back in all caps and he said, What the fuck? I didn't leave until 1.20. Yeah, it was so I'm gonna be honest, Connor did not make his flight.

SPEAKER_04 15:50

No, and then Courtney stayed over at my place maybe the next day or two I think it was the next day.

SPEAKER_01 15:57

Two days later. Two days later. Because I stayed at Chelsea's again on Friday. You met us out on Friday. I stayed at Chelsea's again on that.

SPEAKER_04 16:06

Oh, and then you came over in the morning on Saturday. Mm-hmm. And we went to breakfast, and because this was a Thursday, so we were hungover Friday. She came over Saturday morning for like coffee, and then we went to breakfast, and we were both sitting at breakfast like I feel wobbly still.

SPEAKER_02 16:22

Yeah, I'm still it'll take it, it'll take it out.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

But like, but like the hangover didn't match the level of drunk in the way. I was like, I feel like I got I got out of it.

SPEAKER_04 16:35

I was shaking until I got to the the bar the next day and had a beer.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

Um this has my mind going in a million directions. First off, Connor, what a hoot. What a hoot. You can hang.

unknown 16:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

You can hang weed.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

Connor might be the problem. I think I think all of us combined are the problem. Oh yeah. We're I don't think we can fire single, we can't single anybody out. I think that was a group effort. No. That was a group effort.

SPEAKER_02 17:05

You you each leaving with just zero concern for the other is it's like it's like that. Courtesy was left in your 20s. You know, it's like every band for themselves. Well, it's like we're all adults now.

SPEAKER_01 17:21

I I was gonna say, because when I Connor, first of all, I was trying to stay to listen to him sing because he's really good and I wanted to see it. But like he had a full Guinness, like it was like up to here, and I was like, I can't stay for that.

SPEAKER_04 17:32

Like you're and also like Guinness after the martinis we had is crazy work.

SPEAKER_02 17:39

That's pretty um, that's I agree. That's not beginner. That's not beginner. That's that's that's someone not thinking in the world.

SPEAKER_01 17:45

I was gonna say, that's like that's that's that's not his fault, that's the martinis' fault.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

Invincibility feeling right there.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Yeah. That's wild. So Tiff texted at 4 a.m. I responded, she was still awake. And I said, You're oh my god, you're awake. And because before Mart Marty's martini bar, we went and got shots of espresso. Because we were like, what if we made all the wrong choices? Not just some of the wrong choices, what if we made all the wrong choices? And Tiff said, Because of the espresso question mark, body going absolutely bananas right now. And then shh, and then I said, I was like, I was like sitting in Chelsea's spare bedroom, like cry laughing. I was laughing so hard at body going absolutely bananas right now. And then she said, I can't describe how many beans were on my pants. That was the next text I got from her. I can't describe how many.

SPEAKER_04 18:39

Because it was still, I might have still been drunk thinking it was beans.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

You probably were. Oh my god. And then she said, I'm in my kitchen, lights on right now. It's 4 45 a.m.

SPEAKER_04 18:51

I just we didn't have a couch and I couldn't keep Amy up, so I had to go sit. Yes. Repeat, Claire. Yeah, I was sitting in the kitchen like this.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

We can all picture it. Head down, haunting the house, absolutely hunched over.

SPEAKER_04 19:06

I know. Amy, literally, I'll wake up from a night out, like me and Amy, after like even if we just go get a couple drinks, whatever, and if I'm hunched over, she'll just go, oh no. She's haunted. She's hunched.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

She's haunting. We know what that means. And then I said to Tiff, I said, sorry, remind me, why did you have beans on your pants? And she said, Great question, would also like to remind myself. I said, coffee beans or kidney beans? Re-fried. Oh my god. And then she screenshotted her Taco Bell order and said, no beans in the order. Just found my glass, just found my glasses in the hallway.

SPEAKER_04 19:50

I was having a good little time by myself.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

Detective. Gonna have to investigate in the daylight. So then when she woke up and the and there was daylight, she realized, not beans, mud. Which makes way more sense.

SPEAKER_04 20:08

But there was no mud on my shoes, so I s I slipped and fell at some point.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

The all Claire, it's a good thing you weren't there. We would have it would have been, I can't even imagine. Four people with no brakes, all gas no brakes. I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 20:28

No, Claire, Claire, I would have been, I would have been holding Claire up, dragging her home. Claire's Claire loses body function. Claire loses body function.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

I got really fucked up on Wednesday and I I got to the level you guys got.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

Oh, that's fun.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

And yeah, the drinks were. You guys gotta let some steam out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta. Um, so yeah, no, I'm I'm so thrilled that that that is That makes one of us.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

That makes one of us.

SPEAKER_02 21:05

That's the memory. Those nights are so hard to come by. They're kind of like atomic decay. You know.

SPEAKER_01 21:11

Oh what a freaking trick! Claire. Did that just like pop into your head? Or did you have you how did you do that?

SPEAKER_04 21:23

How long you've been sitting on that? Listener's IQ's going up from that.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

After severely dropping from our story.

SPEAKER_04 21:32

I lost some IQ over the over the weekend. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 21:36

Well did we all Claire? Did we finish the book? I know it was a tough one. Did I read the pages? I read to I read through chapter six. Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

Did I read the pages? Yes. Did I comprehend it? Yes. I've been I've been googling to fill in the gaps.

SPEAKER_02 21:56

Honestly, that's smart. I have also been Googling, but I I did read it diligently. In search of Schrdinger's cat, this one, quantum theory, quantum physics, quantum mechanics. The reason I get confused on what to call it is because they call it everything. Quantum whatever.

SPEAKER_04 22:12

Well, because if we think about it, maybe it doesn't, maybe, maybe no term can encapsulate it.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

Also, Claire, I love that you're wearing your is this a pipe hat. It feels very accurate for like it's like the mind meld.

SPEAKER_03 22:29

Oh, is this that? Sune pa sune paun Sunei Paun. Isn't it? It looks like it.

SPEAKER_04 22:35

Yeah, it's supposed to the the painting is like it's not a pipe. Also, we have Schrdinger's cat in the audience.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Look at her.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

Aw, hello, kitty.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

This is Phoebe.

SPEAKER_04 22:48

Schrdinger would be a good name for a cat.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

What do you call that? It's too long. You have to like Chi Chi. Schrody. Shrody. Or dinger. Dinger. Big big baseball fan.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

Big baseball fan.

SPEAKER_02 23:08

Good old dinghy. You're just always searching for dinghy.

SPEAKER_04 23:11

Where you can never find dinghy. Dingy both exists and doesn't exist.

SPEAKER_02 23:16

I don't like dinghy. Oh my god. You guys are hoots. Yeah, yeah. Hoots and your hollers. Um. Hit me with an um. Come on, Tiff. Um. Um. What were you saying, Gordy?

SPEAKER_01 23:34

I don't remember now. We got we ummed at the same time and my brain went blank.

SPEAKER_02 23:40

Uh hit you with the um.

SPEAKER_04 23:49

She almost did it again. I saw our gearing up. Her body went.

SPEAKER_02 23:55

So when I was in Spanish class and she was like, you know, you're doing really good, but if we could change your filler words to Spanish filler words, I think we'd really get to that next level.

SPEAKER_04 24:08

Claire speaking like beautiful Spanish, you're going, um What's a Spanish filler word?

SPEAKER_02 24:15

Asique. Asique.

SPEAKER_04 24:18

What's what does that mean?

SPEAKER_02 24:19

Uh so.

SPEAKER_04 24:20

Yeah, I was gonna say in French we have donk. Donk. Donk. Donk, which means so.

SPEAKER_02 24:26

Oof, oof. Did you speak any French when you were in Vietnam? To a baby?

SPEAKER_04 24:33

Maybe a little bit. I spoke a lot to a baby. The the thing is there was there was a group of French people there, and I feel like I could understand them really well, which was nice. But a lot of times they were ha they were having their conversations in French, and then they would like kind of speak to us in English. So like it was kind of tough. I didn't want to like butt into the conversation. Were they talking shit about you and you were like, and then they were like speaking to us in English, and I didn't want to respond in French. It was just, I was trying to figure out the toe the line, but there was one point at dinner on the last night when um Maxime's parents' friend, uh friends, uh Muriel, Amy and I really liked this woman. She looked at me and she said, Okay, Tiffany, French only, five minutes. I said, uh, but then I just kind of sat there, I was like, okay. And then then they started asking me a couple questions, and then I was able to respond. But fun. It's kind of like someone going, Okay, we'll speak Spanish. And you're like, I've actually never spoken Spanish before in my whole entire life. Yeah. So uh, but that was fun. But it was really fun to just like listen and like I feel like I was able to understand. And I was doing a little translating for Amy when like the the when like the French side was talking, and then Mai was translating from French to Vietnamese to her parents, and then like it was it was fun.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

I love that world of just so many languages and cultures and food blending.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

Yeah, it was food blending. I like that um Claire had that beautiful transition to talking about the book, and then we immediately stopped talking about the book. And it reminds me of when Oh it reminds me of when I'm having my drum lesson and I haven't practiced, so I just um I just I like keep asking him questions like what are you doing? And how do you think? Do you think he realizes? Yes, because he calls me out and he goes, Did you not practice? Are you stalling? And I say, What no?

SPEAKER_02 26:44

But the pattern observation is a part of the scientific process. And this is all about scientific process. She did it again, folks. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Remember uh in the last episode, you probably don't, I only know this because I went back and listened to it, when you said that this was I said this is gonna be a tough beach read, and you went, no. And then I showed you all the graphs. No, I don't remember that, but don't worry, I'll clip it for the Instagram because you I have a screenshot from you saying tough beach read.

SPEAKER_04 27:18

Yeah, I know I was gonna say, because I did send a picture and say tough beach read.

SPEAKER_02 27:25

I know you guys prepared me to honestly not enjoy this book. I was like, I'm not gonna like it.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

Sometimes that's good though.

SPEAKER_02 27:35

Um yeah, I'm not gonna like it. It's gonna be too intense. I will say, it took me five times slower to read than I typically read. But I did enjoy it, which made me feel like, am I just a nerd? Yes. It's a heavy one though. Um I don't not enjoy it, I'm gonna be clear.

SPEAKER_04 27:55

I just think that it's a I like to get up in the morning and read, and I think it's a little tough for me first thing in the morning to be reading this. So I just think that that's maybe but I don't I don't not like it. I think it's very interesting, but um it's just a it's just a little tougher than our our normal material.

SPEAKER_02 28:14

So let's let's bring everybody in. Um so in Search of Schrdinger's Cat is about quantum theory, quantum reality. Um and it kind of sets the pace by talking about uh classical physics, um, so like Newton's laws and a bunch of scientists from hundreds of years ago. And then it brings in um kind of the concept to talk about these laws is through like our understanding of light and how like light is perceived and how light is emitted. Um and one of the first theories about this was through the corpusol, which is like a particle theory. So like light is a bunch of particles. So if you think about like a line which is comprised of a ton of particles, that would be light, and like each um each line might have different frequencies, and that's how like you have different colors of light. And so this was a really um, I guess like supported theory until um years later when the support switched to the wave theory, which is saying that like light um light acts like ripples. So if you throw like a pebble in a pond and you see the ripples going out and out and out, like that's actually that's considered like wave theory, and that was a competing theory. And a lot of people didn't want to support wave theory at first because it went against Newton and that was like considered unpatriotic. And so there's a lot of um scientists from all over the world that are like in these debates all the way up until like World War One. And the book in a cool way calls out that like World War I actually prevented some scientific progress because it lost like a whole generation of scientists to the war. And so they like tracked 26 years until it like came back live, like the the progression, which was like a whole generation. So I thought that was pretty interesting. Um But in discovering or talking about light through these two theories, like particle and wave theory, it sets up for quantum theory because um it introduces like the concept of like matter, and matter is comprised of atoms, and so we get a whole history lesson on atoms. Do you guys remember like what are the negative charges in an atom?

SPEAKER_03 30:28

Electrons.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

Electrons.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

Because protons are positive. Oh, yeah. Sorry, Claire, I didn't mean to beach to the punch. That's just how I remembered it growing up was proton positive.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

And then you guys, when you were growing up, do you remember how like the pictures of atoms and how it was like the solar system?

SPEAKER_04 30:48

Boars Bohr's atom.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

Bohr's atom. Bohr's was a lot of uh, yeah, he was in this book a lot. But do you do you guys remember like the atom with like the electron circling around the nucleus and the nucleus?

SPEAKER_04 31:00

Yeah, that's boars atom.

SPEAKER_02 31:02

Okay. That's boars atom. Alright, cool. Um so Bohr's atom, the book like breaks down. I know that I'm over the like, okay, anyway. So the book breaks down that, like, we conceptualize it as like the solar system theory because the book asks questions like if electrons are negative and protons are positive and the nucleus is made up of the the positive part, like why don't electrons just like attract and collapse into the nucleus, which is like a fun question. And so the rest of the first half of the book is trying to basically like run experiments to like understand how electrons just like float in space. And um the solar system kind of like depiction of Bohr's atom where the electrons are like floating and orbiting the nucleus, like we orbit the sun kind of is like not necessarily a true representation. And so like electrons are um you can think about like electrons floating in space as like um like a part of like wave theory and like how it ripples, or you can think about it um as like a particle, it'll behave as a particle or a wave in different scenarios. So that all boils down to like the wave theory and particle theory are not mutually exclusive, but they actually complement each other. And um one is not fully correct, but like together they're they're able to like both in their own context.

SPEAKER_04 32:28

It's like it's however you're observing it. Like if you observe it as a particle, it acts as a particle. If you observe it as a wave, it acts as a wave.

SPEAKER_02 32:36

Yeah, that's a that's a very which if you think about Schrdinger's cat, I bookmarked this one.

SPEAKER_04 32:41

I bookmarked one paragraph because it reminds me of like the Schrdinger's cat conundrum from what I know, without it being because they don't talk about it in the book yet.

SPEAKER_02 32:56

Not yet, yep.

SPEAKER_04 32:56

What I remember the Schrdinger cat thing being is that there's a cat in the box and it's both alive and dead. Okay. And so like I'm like, that doesn't make like, you know, that's just like hard to wrap your head around. But there's this one paragraph in our reading. Um, oh my god. And now I'm realizing like I feel like without context, this is gonna make no sense to people.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

What do you mean? Everybody you everybody reads the book before they listen to this podcast.

SPEAKER_04 33:31

Can I just read this paragraph? Please. Yes. Okay. Heisenberg's uncertainty relation measures the amount by which the complementary descriptions of the electron or other fundamental entities overlap. Position is very much a particle property. Particles can be located precisely. Waves, on the other hand, have no precise location, but they do have momentum. The more you know about the wave aspect of reality, the less you know about the particle, and vice versa. Experiments designed to detect particles always detect particles. Experiments designed to detect waves always detect waves. No experiments show the electron behaving like a wave and a particle at the same time. And to me, I'm like, that's the cat. Like the cat's alive if you observe it alive, and the cat's dead if you observe it dead. Anyways, I was reading that and I was like, whoa, that makes that makes not any sense, but I'm able to connect the dots. Right. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 34:31

Did anybody and I think I'm mostly talking to Claire, but I'm curious, uh Tiff, did anybody read this a little stoned? No. Okay. I didn't either, but I might on the back half just to see what happens. I'm gonna have to read this.

SPEAKER_04 34:48

They all are all about experiments.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

I had a friend in college who um I had a class with her and she's really smart. She's now a doctor. I think I told her this the other day, too. Sorry to repeat, but she uh I asked one time if she wanted to study with me, and she went, Well, yeah, but uh just a heads up, I have to I I study high. And I said, Does that work? Like, do you remember it the next day? Like when you take the test, and she said, Well, I have to get high for the test too. And I was like, Okay, she's really smart, it worked, it worked, it worked.

SPEAKER_02 35:23

Take away the weed, and what is she?

SPEAKER_01 35:25

If I'm if I'm high on the next podcast episode, you guys know why. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

I'm not kidding. I I um yeah, I'm actually that's a good idea. I might take I might take you up on that. I was gonna do a trivia with you guys today, and if everyone you got wrong, I was gonna take a rip of a bowl, but I did not come prepared, so maybe I'll come I'll come prepared with trivia next time. Well, I still like trivia. You you got the trivia with the electrons. Um it's okay, so I want to go back to what Tiff's quote was because the particle the particle positioning was interesting because it was basically kind of rocking my mind that at a given time we can never know where a particle is. Like you can't guess. But but the scientists can use probability to determine where it probably is. And if you think about particles in a container, you don't have to know where they all are because they could be at a spot at any given time.

SPEAKER_04 36:23

They could all be in a corner. They could all be, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:26

And then the rare chance that they are all just so happening randomly in the same spot, then it can create momentum because to be able to move or transition, you know, like you would need that momentum. Um, but yeah, you never know where a particle is. You can just use probability to guess like the the chances of this many being here, um, which I thought was really interesting that these scientists have just like accepted that something. Well, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 36:51

It's crazy to me that they like figured all this out before they could actually like they didn't have the technology to physically observe an atom, you know, like they just kind of figured all this out. I'm like, people are so much smarter than me, right?

SPEAKER_01 37:06

It's crazy what like levels of boredom led people to to figure out. I mean, they're probably just bored. I mean that genuine. Like, think about the stuff that like would get your brain fired up and excited if you didn't have technology.

SPEAKER_02 37:21

Hmm. It'd be science. About getting your brain fired up. The way that we teach, like our education system is not conducive to creating physicists, scientists, chemists. It's very much um do or learn this and regurgitate this, but like these people doing the science stuff have big ideas. And a lot of the times they're running experiments to your point, Tiff, before the theoretical framework exists. And so it's like, how do we cultivate how do we cultivate creativity again?

SPEAKER_03 37:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

To where somebody's just in their basement ripping experiments that could lead to the next ripping.

SPEAKER_01 37:58

Take away the rooms and doing experiments.

SPEAKER_04 38:01

Take away Instagram. That's the only solution to to finding a new quantum theory. We're really connecting the dots with the last book. Good job, too.

SPEAKER_02 38:11

Ooh, nice. Yeah. Shout out to Carlos people. Um I wanna I wanna go into some favorite quotes. Um I will say a good jump.

SPEAKER_04 38:21

Sorry I jumped the gum on the gun on that. You were just were were really lined up to my my paragraph. I wanted to quote. I loved the you read worked perfectly.

SPEAKER_02 38:30

Yeah, you read the You read the momentum well. We were in the same frequency. Claire, you were firing on all cylinders today. I know. Frequency was a big topic in this book. Um, I did think the book did too much about like bringing up just random information about this scientist was born in this year, and then 13 years later, this scientist was born, and then Yeah, I don't think we needed to do that necessarily as much.

SPEAKER_04 38:59

I think, I think what he was trying to illustrate was that all these scientists like were like born, like there was just like this boom of all these like young scientists trying to figure this out. But I agree, Claire, it was too in the details in that part. I was like, and so that's like when Courtney was like, Oh, I'm having trouble because like this pops up and I don't know what this means. I'm like, I'm just reading it as if I know what's going on. That was helpful because like otherwise it would have taken me so long. I just I feel like he reiterates or he introduces something and then he comes up with an example to explain it. So, like, if you just keep reading long enough, you'll figure out what he's talking about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

Mm-hmm. Speaking about reading long enough, when he brought up matrixes and then he used the chessboard, how you have um like A1, B, whatever.

SPEAKER_04 39:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

Um, to describe matrices, that reminded me of Courtney and I used to do the data course, and when we were building out our notebooks, we were doing work with matrixes. Did you connect those dots, Courtney?

SPEAKER_01 39:58

No. That was good though. Yeah. Uh I think because I don't use that in my day-to-day, I have forgotten a lot of what we learned in that data course. That's fair.

SPEAKER_02 40:12

That's no, it's all um, but it that laid the groundwork of helping me understand the matrixes a little bit better. Um one of my favorite quotes or kind of call-outs is the book talks about this um physicist, Boltzmann. I forget his first name. Um he was so depressed because uh people were resisting his atomic hypothesis. I think he was one of the first to advocate for the wave theory. And I I I think that's what he was supporting. Um and again, it was unpatriotic to support it because it contradicted the particle theory. But again, we later find out that both can be true and both are true. Anyways, he was so depressed about the resistance to adopt it that he ended up killing himself. And he didn't know that when he killed himself, like a week and a half earlier, um, Einstein had published uh an article on relative like relativity that like completely supported what Boltzmann was trying to support, and it proved it without a reasonable doubt. Um but they didn't know.

SPEAKER_04 41:12

And his sui his own Wow, another man making a rash decision. There need to be more women in this book, let me be clear.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

Oh there was there there was a couple references. I don't know if you caught them, but there were yeah, the proportion isn't there, huh?

SPEAKER_04 41:34

I don't remember reading about any women. Maybe I'm the problem.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

You just don't see women. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't see women. Um what was one of your favorite quotes, Courtney?

SPEAKER_01 41:48

Um probably when they were I I don't know, it's not really a quote, but like Einstein the there was a lot of drama. Einstein was not happy with it felt like a lot of this. I feel like that was one of one of the things he kept talking about. Um, like when they were talking about the particles and like the probability, I'm really not gonna do a good job of explaining this. I apologize. Uh, and then Einstein was mad about it because he doesn't he doesn't like probability. Like he was like, that's not good enough. Uh and then there was something about like I think he said like God doesn't play dice or something like that. Um God doesn't roll dice.

SPEAKER_04 42:28

I think another Yeah, yeah, God doesn't play dice is like a famous quote that he's had, I think. Okay. Then yes. Um yeah, and I think actually this wasn't this wasn't based off of that at all, but um sorry. I thought that it was connected and then I realized it absolutely was not. Quite alright. But or maybe, I don't know, was it him who introduced spin? There was like a part of the book where they start talking about spin, like how to measure like the energy electrons give off or something, you use spin, but spin, like you can't think of you can't think of what spinning actually is. And the author goes on to be like, you could actually just talk about all this in Jabberwocky, which I don't know what Jabberwocky is. I think it might be like a Star Wars thing.

SPEAKER_02 43:22

Me neither.

SPEAKER_01 43:24

But uh essentially it's like never mind, this book was published way before the dance group, the Jabberwockies.

SPEAKER_04 43:41

And anyways, so the author I actually don't know how to respond to that. Courtney language be that flowers but he's like instead of spin, you could just use like some random. Random word like uh gyro. I can't remember what they were gyro or something like um and you could say that they gyroed on the mabe because of blah blah blah. Like he's like, you can't actually use any of the words that these people are using to describe the atom. You can't think of those words how you would normally use them. Because like it's an an atom, it's but the atom's not spinning, it like, and that also was crazy. It's like, well, for one spin, it actually takes two spins, and you're like, what? Wait a second. That just doesn't mathematically that makes no sense to me because I'm like, one spin's one spin. But like an atom, an electron actually has to spin twice to equal one spin. So you're like, what the hell? So that's why he's like, you could use just a different word if you wanted, and it still makes the same amount of sense because they're just trying to come up with words, they just have to come up with words to like have something to call it. Anyways, that was very interesting to me. I I enjoyed that part.

SPEAKER_02 45:04

So I thought when he said you could call it a gyro, it's because that is a word used to describe a type of orbiting. Because I remember when I worked in car insurance and we got data, we use like the the gyro was a metric.

SPEAKER_04 45:20

So I thought I don't think he called it gyro.

SPEAKER_01 45:26

This is where Tiff's advice, I think, maybe did me a little dirty because I just kept reading it like I knew what they were talking about, and I didn't I didn't intake a lot of this. Intake a lot of things. I didn't registers cat uh book.

SPEAKER_02 45:46

Sorry, Paige Turner is uh doing some research. But also they themselves say that um we were inhibited by our limited, like our preconceived definitions of things, like how we identified the electron orbiting the nucleus, like we probably would have advanced further had we have not always had that diving board to jump off of because it's not technically accurate, but people still promote that as the way of teaching.

SPEAKER_04 46:19

Yes, sorry. No, you're gonna be there. No, I agree. I I there was a lot about like um I mean this book, like in the beginning, is like please suspend your belief like you're gonna need to like have an open mind when you're reading this because what I'm gonna tell you is a lot of like goes against a lot of what you learned. Which makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

I will say, um, you know, it kind of it kind of like breaks down like it's possible that our universe is just a hiccup because like particles moving at random, like it's possible that the right particle combination just randomly occurred, creating this hiccup. It's also possible that if a creator entity knew all of the particles and positions that it could predict to precision at future events, which kind of leans into like that deterministic view. And so it does make me wonder like, are we like we could just be containers of atoms of matter with different energy levels, and you determine like energy levels have different frequencies, so like we could just be Wow, you're really jumping ahead. Well, we we could but we could just be this. Like we could just be random and and once and and so back to the atomic decay, atomic decay is like everything has a half-life. And so like if you have a half-life of a thousand years, that means that in a thousand years you're gonna decay by half of half of you. We don't know which half, but you're gonna half of you is going to decay.

SPEAKER_04 47:59

Yeah, they just know that half the particles go and they don't know which half.

SPEAKER_02 48:02

Right? And then the next 1,000 years, half of 50 is going to decay, so 25% of you. And then the next a thousand years, another half of 25. And so we could just be random and decaying, and it's not that deep other than a hiccup.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

Mm-hmm. That's crazy. Like it because it's a it's a book about science, but it's also there's like so much philosophy, too.

SPEAKER_02 48:34

Yeah. They do call it the philosophical implications.

SPEAKER_04 48:37

I found the I found the jabberwocky section.

SPEAKER_02 48:40

Okay, let's hear it, Paige Turner. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 48:43

Sir Arthur Eddington summed up the situation brilliantly in his book, The Nature of the Physical World, published in 1929. No familiar conceptions can be woven around the electron, he said, and our best description of the atom boils down to something unknown is doing we don't know what. He notes that this does not sound like a particularly illuminating theory. I have read something else like it, I have read something like it elsewhere. The sl the slithy toves did gir and gimbal in the wave. But the point is that although we do not know what electrons are doing in atoms, we do know the number of electrons is important. Um adding a f so this is all talking about the jabberwocky. Like, if you add a few numbers, the jabberwocky immediately becomes scientific because you could be like eight slithy toaves, girl and gimbal in the oxygen wave, seven in nitrogen. So it's like you could just replace like electron with this new word, and it has the exact same meaning because you still just don't know what that is. You're like, there's seven of them. We have no idea what they're doing. But if we give them another word, then you might your preconceived notion kind of goes out the window, and you're like, okay, so there's just there's just seven slithy toaves.

SPEAKER_05 50:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:08

Gear gearing and gimbaling. Perfect. And like that's like, so I think he's just like making a point, like, you have to just like we've been taught about electrons and protons and neutrons, but like no one actually knows what they're doing. But I think in our education system, to be able to teach something, you have to be like, this is how it is. Because kids would be like, wait, but they'd have too many questions, you know? Which is a good thing. We want to do that. Which is a good thing, which is a good thing. But it's just like but also imagine being a teacher, like a science teacher, having 27 children and having to be like, okay, so here are seven slithy toes.

SPEAKER_02 50:50

Right.

SPEAKER_04 50:50

And a kid would be like why is it a slit? Why is it slithy? And you're like, no, no, no, no. Just like, let's not think about that. Let's just think that they're there and then continue on, you know. I guess, yeah, it's it's I can see why we teach it the way we do, because we at least have some concept of like atomic theory. Be like we all know what protons, neutrons, like the atom is, like how it how it works in our minds, you know. And it's like for the general public, that's probably as deep as they need to go, you know? Like not everyone is trying to get into the quantum. Because the quantum theory, quantum theory is just deals with all the little particles. Like it's just super small. It's just all about the the the stuff you can't see, essentially.

SPEAKER_02 51:44

Isn't it isn't it like the combo of the the particles in like space or like the particles? I thought it was like the um it was like the effect of particles and momentum. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 51:55

Like it might be. I just I just know like when we start talking about the quantum, yeah, we're talking about all the really tiny stuff. And they call it quanta.

unknown 52:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 52:06

I don't know. The next chapter is called cooking with quanta, so apparently you can cook with it.

SPEAKER_02 52:14

I I like how you were saying though, it does help to have a target. And the book calls that out too. You know, it's like the scientist didn't get there. He was actually quite wrong. We later didn't say that. But he gave us a target to aim at.

SPEAKER_04 52:26

And it gives us like a jumping off point to be like, to be like, okay, so this is how what you know it to be. So you at least know there's these particles. Because like, if we just didn't even know there were particles in there, actually maybe it'd be easier to understand. Who knows? But you truly have to like take a look at that and be like, okay, that's all wrong. So now we're gonna learn, we're gonna learn what it's doing, but actually we're not because they don't know what it's doing.

SPEAKER_02 52:51

But we're okay with that. And I think that was like how many how many times have we like there's so many things I can apply to my work life when I'm running like trying to fix something? It's like, hold on, Claire, just back up, have fun with this. Let's have an experiment, let's have a hypothesis, let's be okay with not knowing. You're not you're not practicing.

SPEAKER_04 53:13

Well, it's crazy, and that's why I think like that's why it's so like hard to nail something down because they cannot, like, the scientific process is all about like a hypothesis and then an experiment and then like an outcome, but like you can't they can't figure out experiments to prove any of that. Like they can't, that's the big problem they're having. Like, they were able to do like the reason they thought light was waves was because they were able to observe it in like a um in that pinhole experiment. Yeah, and you're like, oh, that's behaving exactly like a wave would, so it's waves. Like that makes a lot of sense, but then they go back and they're like, wait a second, no, no, no, no, it's actually particles. And I'm like, how did you figure that out? I don't understand. Yeah. But it's like, but they can't, like, it's they can't prove a lot of this stuff. I don't know. I'm excited to keep reading to be like, did they have they proved any of it? Or like, are we? Maybe the whole point, whole the whole point is that you don't need to prove, they're just cooking with quanta. Cooking with quanta. Wow, they're coming up with the recipe of the universe, maybe. Cooking with quanta.

SPEAKER_02 54:27

So um, this is a little bit of a jump, but if you've ever walked into a room and been like, wow, these colors are loud. Turns out colors are loud. Colors of light come in different frequencies, and frequencies have different energy. So, energy, I think, is probably gonna, if we're talking about predictions, I think energy is gonna come into theme more in the later half of the book. Yes. You guys have any predictions?

SPEAKER_01 54:56

Uh I I think they're gonna get more about the cat.

SPEAKER_04 55:00

I think we're gonna, yeah, I was gonna say, I think we're gonna get more philosophical.

SPEAKER_01 55:04

Yeah, which I would not mind. Because I think I'll understand it a little better.

SPEAKER_02 55:11

Hey, you're holding up well, Courtney. Uh this conversation helped connect. It did.

SPEAKER_01 55:17

It was also it's also fun to listen to you guys talk about this kind of stuff. Uh, I enjoy it. So thank thanks. Um, just two of your regular scientists, a couple of gallons. Did you guys take physics in high school? I did not.

SPEAKER_02 55:34

I did, and I loved it.

SPEAKER_01 55:37

Yeah. I also really liked physics in high school, but I think it's because my teacher was dope. Like, she won like some award from Bill Clinton for like blue blue ribbon teacher, something or another. Um, she was a great teacher, but of course it was blue.

SPEAKER_02 55:56

Bill can't get his head out of the blue.

SPEAKER_01 56:01

Claire hates Bill Clinton. Yeah, I think that's dress color. I think everything, I think everything we know about wait, what'd you say? Oh, dress color. Yeah. Uh yeah, I think everything we know about Bill Clinton now. Yeah. But I think in the 90s when she won that award. Probably a big deal.

SPEAKER_02 56:21

He was making history and now we talk about history. That that is um, I liked how the there was another quote about somebody who's like, he likes physics and he likes chemistry, but he did chemistry was like the silly branch of science. Like chemistry was um he decided to go the physics route because like people didn't take chemistry seriously.

SPEAKER_01 56:44

And I'm like, oh my god, which is crazy because I feel like now chemistry is like when because Mary, my childhood best friend, she studied, she has a chemistry degree from college from Notre Dame, and I'm like, that's like the smartest, hardest degree you could get.

SPEAKER_02 57:01

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 57:01

That's impressive.

SPEAKER_04 57:03

I um I have either of you seen Project Hail Mary or read the book. No, sadly. There's a point in the movie where the robot hands or the alien hands uh Ryan Gosling. Um two rings with like eight little beads around it, and I we're I was like looking at it, and then all of a sudden he goes, Oh, oxygen, because it's it's literally the ring of the atom, the and then there's the eight electrons around it on that outer ring, and that's oxygen, and he put two of them together, and it's like, oh, that's O2. Um, and I immediately was like, Oh my god, I just read that in my book. Oh, I think. Well, that would be that would be such a if those truly are what make up the universe, that would be such a basic way to communicate between species, like aliens, you know, like that would be like you could communicate through like if that is like actually what makes up the universe and we figure it out, like if they've figured it out too, that would be like the one universal language would be like atoms.

SPEAKER_02 58:23

Oh, is it possible they could interpret atoms differently? Like same thing, but different interpretation or represent way to represent.

SPEAKER_04 58:32

I f I mean I guess. Anything's possible.

SPEAKER_02 58:38

I guess I gotta watch Project Hail Millary now and see how they execute that. That'll be a little bit of homework. Hey.

SPEAKER_01 58:48

Wow. I'm stuck on the we're talking to aliens via atoms. That's that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 58:57

There's a path forward. You heard it here first. Go ahead and win your experiments, and uh we'll call the aliens. Uh I love that. Nice. Alright, well, what did we rank this front half of the book?

SPEAKER_01 59:12

I'm I'm going to I'm going three. And that's because I feel high. I know. And I I think it's more optimistic than realistic. Uh, because I like to think that it's gonna really come together for me in the back half. Like I'm I'm enjoying, I would never in a million years have picked this book, and I will put it on the record that I try to talk Claire out of it. So, but despite that, I think I'm glad we picked it. I think. So I that's why I'm that's why I'm going three, because I think like I think it's a fun book to discuss, and like I enjoyed listening to you guys talk about it. Coming into this probably too, but after listening to you guys talk about it, I'm like, what? Which I do feel like often happens to me. My ratings change after we talk about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:05

Okay, we gotta start rating at the we gotta start rating as the first thing. In the first episode, we rate first thing we do, second episode we rate last thing we do. Love it.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:17

Love it.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:17

Okay. Um I'm sitting probably at a three. I think I'm excited to see where the back takes us. It's just been a it's just been a long read just because it's tough. But I do think we're gonna get kind of out of the weeds a little bit of the like he really had to give us a classic physical physics rundown so that you could understand, which I think was actually really helpful. Like he, I think it I don't think he spent too long on anything. Like, I think he did a good job of like getting us through that. And I think it was probably really helpful for what we're about to what we're about to read.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:56

Which would be which would be uh not a total first, but we don't see we we are normally backsliding on the back half.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:05

Yeah, so I'm interested. I mean, I'm seeing some diagrams in there that don't make sense to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:10

So uh I'm interested in the case. That's how I felt about almost all the diagrams.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:16

Uh well the diagrams in the front half at least have grids. The diagrams in the back half have a lot of squiggles that I'm like, I'm not quite sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:23

This was my brain today. Going in explain directions. Yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:30

Um, I think the back half will be more philosophical based on the chapter titles because we're talking about paradoxes, which are Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:39

Paradoxes and possibilities.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:42

Yeah. So that's gonna get really interesting. Well, and I think Schrdinger's cat is like a whole philosophical problem. It's a whole section in the book.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:51

I'm so glad. I was gonna be pissed if we didn't break down that. Tell me the cat. Tell me about the cat.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:57

Tell me about the cat. Um Well, I honestly I think like he's doing a good job. Like, I think we need to know these concepts to maybe understand that a little more.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:06

I think that's it was also fun learning these concepts that we learned when we were 12 in more of an embraceable way. Um because when he was like, why don't electrons collapse into the nucleus? I was like, you're right. Why don't they? They they should. And so that was uh fun. But uh what were you gonna say, Corney?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:24

I was nothing. Uh I was gonna ask for your rating, but then you kept you kept talking, so I thought you were gonna hit it. Okay, I I was gonna hit it, but sorry.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:32

It's okay. Sorry. So I'm gonna stick with three because uh I don't think I'd recommend it to somebody, but I am glad we're reading it, and I don't think I would have read it, especially at this velocity, if it wasn't a book club book.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:48

Yeah, the the deadline really helps you get through it.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:52

Claire, that picture of you on the bike yesterday reading really tickled me.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:56

Oh yeah, you gotta get it in. It it takes me a minute to read. Um it's it's a slow one.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:01

I mean, there's a lot of times where I'm like, oh fuck, I have to go back and read that paragraph because I was not paying attention. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:08

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:08

Um but I try but yeah, I think I just try really hard not to get caught up in something that I don't totally understand because I'm like, I gotta keep this bus moving.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:20

Keep it moving. We'll keep it moving into the next episode and see if hopefully it ends well and not in a crash.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:27

I'm excited. I think it will. I think I I feel optimistic.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:31

Yay!

SPEAKER_01 1:03:33

Um blanket apologies for how many times I spelled Schrdinger wrong on the uh Instagram. It auto- I literally went back and changed it, but it kept auto-correcting um to because I spelled it wrong so many times before that that it didn't matter. So it really thought I wanted to.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:53

Uh yeah. Do we think this book is gonna rank higher or lower than bunny one?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:01

Which to remind you, uh Bunny One ended with an average 283 now.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:08

We're above Bunny One.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:11

I mean, it's less confusing.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:13

But but the first half of the first half of Bunny Honestly, in some ways, I think we explained it better than Bunny One. The first half of Bunny One ended with an average of 333.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:30

You guys both ranked first half of Bunny as a four.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:34

I ranked it as a two. Okay. And then in the final of Bunny, we got Claire, Claire said, absolutely not, one five.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:46

Don't take the one. We'll see what happens. Yes. All right. Let's see what happens here. Well, until next time, love you, Moo Jo.