In Search of Schrödinger’s Cat | Ch. 7 - 14

The latter half of the book extends quantum theory into everyday life, suggesting that reality is not fixed until it is observed in the present moment. Under the Copenhagen interpretation, all possibilities exist as “ghost” realities until observation collapses them into a single reality. In contrast, the many-worlds perspective proposes that every possible outcome already exists across branching realities, and what we experience is simply the path we observe.

Despite their differences, both views point toward a similar idea: multiple potential realities exist, and our experience is shaped by what we actualize in the present.

Transcript

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SPEAKER_04 0:33

Happy tax day. Did you do your at the 12th hour?

SPEAKER_03 0:41

Yeah, I should just like double check that everyone that my taxes were done for me. Yeah. Doesn't hurt. Doesn't hurt.

SPEAKER_04 0:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:49

Yeah, like a uh I they like did them, but then I got an email saying, like, they when they do them, they automatically file for an extension, essentially. So like I because I'm gonna owe money, but I think I like don't have to fully pay it till September. So I but I have all the money. I'd rather just pay it so I don't have to think about it, you know. Right. So I don't know. We'll see. I need to check that out today. Good call. Thanks for the reminder. From a from a business owner to a fellow business owner.

SPEAKER_04 1:22

That's that's the only reason I reminded you. Oh man. Yeah, quite a bit. As you like you were reading and doing taxes like last night, I was like, wow, that sounds like a new form of just not like fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

Yeah, it was um it was at least, you know what, the weather was really nice last night, so there was one win. But I did do my taxes and read this book for a long time.

SPEAKER_03 1:48

I do feel like taxes might be easier for Courtney. As a W-2 employee, very W-2 employee don't own a house, like Okay, rub it in. Sorry, now I'm like, wait a second, this is just what he's saying. But no, I just feel like I remember the days when I was just had a W-2, and honestly, it's like pretty, it's not so bad, right? No, it's really not.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

Do you use TurboTax? No, fuck those guys. This podcast brought to you by Freetextusa.org. Um, no, it's so much better, and it's free. Uh, to do your state filing, it's$15, but it's like in comparison to TurboTax, it's the same thing, but so much cheaper. Um sorry, as you click through, it tells you like here's how much you owe, or here's how much you're getting back. And for my federal return, it was um, I I don't like to get a tax refund, so I will start with that. Um, I like to just come out even. And at the top it said your federal return you owe$250, and I was like, God damn it, like that's annoying, but whatever. Um I got a new job last year, so like that's probably why. And then I got to like the part where you upload how much you paid in student loans, and then it you get a deduction for that. Oh, and I paid. I paid so much in student loans that it knocked my$250 down to 65. Woo! So may one good thing come of my chain of debt.

SPEAKER_04 3:23

I hate that they make you pay for what you owe by a mailed check. Um, I think that there's sometimes things that you can pay online, but we always get like school yeah tax, and I just feel like mailing a check is so arcake at this point.

SPEAKER_02 3:35

Oh, like Marysville? Uh no. Not Marysville. You'll never know. Can't give away my identity too much. Sorry, yeah, sorry. I won't say it. Uh but Columbus, as long as they take out the right amount of your paycheck, which is two and a half percent, you don't have to file with Columbus, which is excellent.

SPEAKER_04 3:55

Huh. Maybe I'll check. Because I have I owed like$700. And I was like, this is a little excessive. That is a little excessive. I gotta stop voting for the levy. Just kidding. Um cool. So what's up, fellas? Like, what's new? That was life. Anything exciting? Did anything decay over the past week? Did anything what? Decay. Just us. Alright, Cordy, where'd you go?

SPEAKER_02 4:27

You know, this kind of uh not decay, but it almost fits. I went to a medium slash seance last Friday um with my my mom's stepmom, who has been around since my mom was like eight. So like my mom's basically other mom. So my grandma was in town, and her mom was really into like tarot and like woo-woo stuff. And so my mom's my grandma's cousin, who was also raised by my grandma's mom, stay with me, who lives in Columbus, also also into woo-woo. So we all went, like the family went to a medium psychic and got our vibes read. Yeah, how were the vibes? The vibes were the vibes were pretty good, actually. Uh my dead uncle Did anyone do it. My dead uncle made a visit. Oh yeah. Mm-hmm. And who else? You know, my uh he said he loves me and he's doing really well. That's really all you can hope for. Um I will say some of the things she said were really spot on, and some of them were like not, you know, which is classic. But she like pretty much um, like on her little sheet of paper, she was writing down a bunch of stuff, and she wrote down. Now I'm gonna write down like one and seven and seventeen and seven-one. She flipped around, she was like, Do any of these numbers mean anything to you? And one seven was the day of his death. Now, granted, she was casting a pretty wide net.

SPEAKER_03 6:14

One seven and equal.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Any do any numbers anywhere have any meaning to you? Okay, so I'm gonna write some numbers down.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. Which one of these combine them however they see fit?

SPEAKER_02 6:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:33

Like, oh my god, 3427 was his favorite number.

SPEAKER_02 6:38

I know. And I will say, I'm very agreeable. Like, I'm just like, she tries to make a connection, and I'm like, yeah, no, kind of. No, I get it. I'm the same way. Because when you're there, it's kind of like, why not? Why not? She was like, Did anyone here get a new bathroom lately? And I was like, and everybody was like, no, and I was like, She looked at me, begged my landlord. She was nodding, and I was like, Yeah, I've had some bathroom stuff lately, and then you know, yeah, a year ago. Well, and at my mom's house, I did redo the culk in the bathroom, so I can't I counted it. What is with you and culk? It needs to be changed every couple of years. It gets so gross. You're the only one I know doing that. Really? I just like hate being in a shower that doesn't feel clean where I'm trying to get clean. And I will say the culk in my mom's house, it's been there since I've been there. You know, like it's I don't think it's ever been changed.

SPEAKER_03 7:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:35

It was time.

SPEAKER_03 7:38

You're the only one I know doing that.

SPEAKER_02 7:40

Well, if anyone needs uh how to call her Courtney Cock.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

Hey, friends. Silly. What have you guys been up to? I'm not sure. Could you change your Instagram handle actually? Courtney Cox. Courtney Cox?

SPEAKER_03 8:00

Wait, that's you can start a cocking business.

SPEAKER_02 8:09

Alright, I'm gonna team up with Megan.

SPEAKER_03 8:11

We're gonna have I'm gonna cease and desist because Courtney Cox is pissed. Oh, that is silly. What is everyone up? Claire, what have you been up to? Claire, I heard there's a little bit of an ankle injury. Oh my god, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:25

What happened? So I've been having an issue with the left. I think it's like medial ligament of my ankle. And then um I played pickleball and we won three for three. I mean, we came back on a 14 to 4 scenario. I played a 15. So like, you know, we it was worth the effort. But I I just like messed up. I think I didn't, it's this injury is not, I guess, the ankle, it's more of a fifth metatarsal. Like I just oh, like your pinky toe? No, it's like the whole outside of my um of my foot and some of my ankle.

unknown 8:57

Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_04 8:58

If I go too far on the outside, I just I crumble. I had to climb down, like crawl down the stairs the other night. That was that was wild. I've never like been in so much pain where you couldn't sleep or get comfortable. Um I guess are you taking ibuprofen? I took some. I took some. But yeah, I just they don't make them like they used to when you're in your 30s. And I can't say no to the sports, but I have to say no to the sports because I got two weeks of recovery for this try. So I haven't given up the hope just yet. Alright, fingers crossed. Fingers crossed. I should probably get a brace too, you know, help stabilize a little bit. I think you should get a brace for sure.

unknown 9:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:38

Maybe you could get like a weird little shoe where your pinky toe just hangs off so that there's no pressure on it.

SPEAKER_04 9:44

It's it's more so like um like the bone that runs alongside because it's more so towards the back of the ankle. So can it just like chop my ankle off?

SPEAKER_03 9:52

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 9:52

Yeah, I almost got a cankle, and that reminded me of you in Peru Tef with so many mosquitoes trunks. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 10:01

Yeah, those tree trunk legs were hot. I was a hot commodity.

SPEAKER_04 10:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:07

I was newly single. Cankling the best time to have tree trunk legs. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 10:14

That's amazing because I thought you were dating somebody at that time. Okay, I was. Okay. Okay. Hey, um, could you uh Courtney post a picture of those Kangles or those trunks? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

I might need it. I was gonna say I might need an updated photo, but yeah, I got you. I'm sure somebody's got one somewhere.

SPEAKER_04 10:33

So yeah, I'm in recovery mode. Things are good over here. Just a lot of like the days are flying. I feel like Tiff. I just didn't, you know, you've always been such a hard worker. I feel like I'm like embodying my inner Tiff.

SPEAKER_03 10:47

Okay, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:48

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:49

How's it feel? It it it The days move fast.

SPEAKER_04 10:54

The days do move fast.

SPEAKER_03 10:56

Yeah. The days move fast. It's hard to keep up when there's so much work going on.

SPEAKER_04 11:01

Well that's a good problem to have. What about you, Tiffy? What's going on over in Chicago?

SPEAKER_03 11:06

Um, not much. I am not working. I'm I'm not working much still, which is great. Um I'm just waiting the pro for the projects to come to me. No, I kind of I get up every day and I check LinkedIn and I send some messages and then I uh well yesterday I shot something with Phil and then today I'm gonna go to Fleet Feet, get some new shoes.

SPEAKER_02 11:35

That's fine.

SPEAKER_03 11:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

Do you always get the same pair? Do you get a different time different pair every time? I've never been, so I need to go and have them like fit me and put your put your foot in the box and then they like take a little extra and not extra, but tickle. Take a little. Tickle. Take a little. Man, they tickle your feet there. And depending on how tickle they suggest a shoe based on your alternate universe.

SPEAKER_04 12:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:05

But yeah, just uh kinda hanging around, playing a lot of video games, uh keeping the house running. So true. It's kind of nice.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

The house needs video games to run properly.

SPEAKER_03 12:17

Yeah, yeah. There's really so much to do in the house. So that is true. I spend a lot of time cleaning and then I get all my stuff done by like noon-ish, and then I just kind of play video games until Amy's done with work. That's my perfect world.

SPEAKER_02 12:30

Or until I have plans. That's my perfect world. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:34

It is. Yeah, are you like retired already?

SPEAKER_03 12:36

That's what it feels like. It's amazing. Just wait, yeah. I just uh yeah, it's going great though. I mean, I'm not like searching crazy for work because I can still pay myself for a couple months. So yeah. Just kind of taking my time. I I really I really kind went a little crazy at the beginning of the year. So I think if it feels kind of nice to not be doing anything. That's good. Oh, yes. Ebbs and flows. Ebbs and flows. Recovery mode. But I think I might, I'm toying with the idea of joining Orange Theory Fitness again.

SPEAKER_02 13:10

OTF. OTF. Now that you're now that your heart's in better shape.

SPEAKER_03 13:14

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 13:15

You won't get kicked off the machinery for a high heart rate.

SPEAKER_03 13:18

Yeah, they won't be like, okay, TIFF's already in the head zone, and we're three minutes into class.

unknown 13:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:26

But I just think I like it because it helps you do strength training and like weight exercises, because that's part of the circuit. And like, I'm just bad at doing that on my own.

SPEAKER_04 13:37

Yeah. Weight training, I feel like, is really important.

SPEAKER_03 13:40

Especially as we get older. Bone density.

SPEAKER_04 13:43

Especially. I want to get whip out those bands. I want to do some band training. But I I realize that like I just feel like cardio is nice because I feel like I'm doing something when I'm training. I'm the exact same way. It obviously is. Like, I need to reshape my mindset.

SPEAKER_03 14:01

No, I'm Claire, I'm the exact same way. It's like I need to be exerting what I think is maximum effort to feel like I'm doing something.

SPEAKER_04 14:09

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

There's two modes, baby. There's two modes. Yeah. I love an easy workout. So I like I like lifting because you don't get as tired. I mean you do in a way. Plus, once you start lifting and then you like get progressively stronger, that is a very fun feeling.

SPEAKER_04 14:29

Speaking of get stronger, who do you think would win an arm? An arm wrestling tournament right now. Who's the champ between the three of us? Claire. What? No. I feel so unseen.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

Unanimous vote, except for the woman herself.

SPEAKER_04 14:44

I don't have strong of her body. Strength.

SPEAKER_03 14:47

You guys want to see my you guys want to see my guns?

SPEAKER_02 14:50

Let's see them. Don't worry, I'll take a I'll take a screenshot so everybody can. Tiff pulls out like an AR-15. She pulls out a real gun. Oh my god. What is that photo on your shirt? She just wanted to show us the shirt.

SPEAKER_04 15:04

Damn, Tiff, look at those.

SPEAKER_03 15:09

What's on your I don't know where they came from, and they're not very strong, but they look strong.

SPEAKER_04 15:14

Alright, we're gonna have to add an arm wrestling contest to the annual fellow strip.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

I know this is gonna look like I'm copying tip, but I really am just hot. I need to take my sweatshirt off. It is hot.

unknown 15:23

It's hot.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

Courtney's about to show us her gun. She was jealous. She was jealous of my firepower.

SPEAKER_02 15:29

I just want you to know that I can still hear you. I turned my finger. Quit talking shit.

SPEAKER_04 15:35

Oh, here it goes. Alright, let's see it, Courtney. Alright, let's see it. Okay, well, I went the other side. I'm seeing some oh my god. Y'all, they got some muscles. I know you can't see it, but it's about to break the screen over here.

SPEAKER_03 15:53

That one's not so big.

SPEAKER_04 15:56

That's awesome. Alright, now I'm starting a little hot. I gotta take my sweater out.

SPEAKER_03 16:00

Oh, let's see it. The boys are getting naked. This is gotta be really enjoyable for the book. There we go. I have seen it. You see that little rays right there?

SPEAKER_04 16:15

I do. Let's go. Wow. Speaking of, let's go. We all just observed each other's muscles, and according to Copenhagen theory or Copenhagen interpretation, once you observe, that's when it becomes real. If you do not observe, anything is possible. So shall we talk about our final book club on Schrdinger's cat? Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:48

That transition needed a little bit of Yeah, you you you really started out strong on that one.

SPEAKER_02 16:53

You know, I I did try a few minutes ago, Claire, to set you up, but it wasn't time yet. So but I said multiverse earlier, and I thought maybe you would.

SPEAKER_04 17:03

Oh damn, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 17:04

But you know what? It wasn't time yet. We wouldn't have been able to see all of our big strong muscles if we would have cut early, so that's true.

SPEAKER_04 17:10

Yeah, we needed those big strong muscles. Um so yeah, we just wrapped it up. What do you like? I know that we did the rankings at the end, but how are we feeling? Did we all read it? How about that? Let's start there.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

Yes. Yeah, read mostly read, yes, understood is a little less, but I did skim a little towards the end until I got to the very last chapter. I did like the last chapter. He ended on a good note for me.

SPEAKER_04 17:35

Yeah, because it seems like the back of the book, you know, we go away from talking like classical new physics breakdown to actually like explaining life through quantum theory.

SPEAKER_03 17:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:45

I had never put it together. Maybe because I didn't think I was a STEM galley. Um, you know, atoms, they make of molecules. Well, human DNA is like the molecule of life. Like I had never realized DNA is a molecule. Did you guys put that together?

SPEAKER_03 18:02

I remembered that from science.

SPEAKER_02 18:05

It sounds familiar, but I don't know that I've ever like when you say it like that, I'm like, oh yeah. But I don't know that I was consciously thinking about it.

SPEAKER_04 18:14

Yeah, Tiff, you must have had a really good school education system. I really liked biology, and we learned that in biology.

SPEAKER_03 18:21

That's fair. So that's just I was more of the classical mind, you know. So true. I I I prefer the classical realm of physics and science.

SPEAKER_04 18:31

You know, it's wild because like I could see Tiff as like a doctor or uh or like going into the doctor of fun. If you enjoyed biology and science, like Yeah, I could have seen you as a scientist and and you went creative, like you're equally analytical, equally creative.

SPEAKER_03 18:49

Well, yeah, I think there's part of science that I don't know, just is nice in my brain.

SPEAKER_04 18:57

Part of science and math that feels nice in my brain, but you wouldn't want to dedicate necessarily like a career to.

SPEAKER_03 19:04

No.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

I think that makes sense that some of it works because you're very creative, and I feel like there are some overlaps, but not like Yeah, I feel like there are there are parts of science that are kind of creative in my mind.

SPEAKER_03 19:18

Yes. But when you start getting to like the super analytical stuff, I think it's a little tougher. We had a we had a we had a big section of graphs in this one. Which can I say one thing I don't like about this the style of this book? Yes. Is that he just kind of throws the graphs in and doesn't really mention them in the writing. You have to like kind of stop your reading to go read the graphs and like figure out what's happening there. And I didn't really like that. I kind of wish he like referenced the graphs more. I feel like it just kind of would have made sense. I ended up like skipping a lot of the graphs because I was like, I gotta just kind of keep reading.

unknown 19:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:57

Because I understood the general concept of what he was talking about, and I was like, personally, for me, I don't know if I need to necessarily know the true ins and outs of when a electron's ejecting a photon. I think I just need to kind of know that it can travel back in time because mathematically it makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 20:17

There's a lot of that. There's a lot of like, we haven't proved this out or we can't prove it out, but it makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 20:21

And I'm like, you know what? That sounds great, Gibbon. I'm gonna take you at your word and I'm gonna keep moving because that's what I've been doing this whole time. That's the only way I got through this book, so thank you for that advice, Tiff. Yeah, because it's just like I just I don't I feel like if I tried to understand it, I would go way too deep and really start having to Google and stuff like that. And I just don't know if my brain has the capacity to need to know all of the ins and outs. I think I could just be like, I can just know the the the base theory of it, which is that they don't fucking know what's going on.

SPEAKER_04 20:57

Yeah, yeah. Um so the the back half of the book does introduce thought experiments, which I thought was pretty interesting.

SPEAKER_03 21:05

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 21:06

Basically, which oh go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 21:08

No, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 21:09

Basically, they're not just like running actual physical tangible experience with tangible results. They're they're like, okay, quantum theory is crazy and absurd, and if this is true, this is what it means. Here's a thought experiment to put it into like analogies and words that humans can comprehend a little bit better.

SPEAKER_03 21:28

Yeah. Which I think is what we all kind of were excited about. And I do think I will say, we finally met the cat.

unknown 21:37

We did.

SPEAKER_03 21:38

We finally met Schrdinger's cat.

SPEAKER_04 21:41

And that was cool because like now I understand it at a level of the case.

SPEAKER_03 21:44

Same. I was like, I feel like I learned about that in my philosophy class. Explain it, explain it for the people. Okay. Oh, good beautiful. Okay, well, to explain it, you have to understand that electrons. You have to understand. That so essentially quantum theory boils down to this one experiment with these slits and what it is in the most layman's terms possible because I can't explain it any better. And Claire, you hop in when I'm when I'm butchering this. Electrons, scientists don't really know what electrons are doing or do. And the only way they can tell is by running an experiment and observing them. However, electrons do whatever you're observing. So, in a sense, you're also part of the experiment. And like there's just they have figured this out, and I don't know how to explain that, but like a lot what it boils down to is electrons will do whatever you're measuring them as doing. So it's really hard to run experiments measuring something that you're not observing, because you can't. Like that it just electrons kind of it seems that they kind of choose to do whatever you're measuring them as doing. And it's crazy and scientists can't really explain it.

SPEAKER_04 23:21

And because you can't decouple yourself from the experiment, there's only there's always some level of uncertainty. Um like they give different experiments about like a clock, you know, moving its hand, and like, oh well, that you know, triggers X, and so it's like, well, if a clock moving its hand triggers X, and like that has to be it, but it's like, but also when a clock moves, it changes its mass or it changes its positions, and so like that's also a variable, and so it's not just you you can't ever just talk about X, and so we are coupled to these experiments we are observing. And then I think another big part is um they they always do these like two-hole experiments, and so it's like um in the beginning of the book, we're looking at that's what Tiff called her her her high school experience.

SPEAKER_03 24:09

I will say I oped me and Amy read in bed every morning, and I opened up, and that chapter was right there, and I looked at her and I said, This is what I'm doing with you. This is what Tiff's doing with Amy.

SPEAKER_04 24:22

She's there's two holes. Oh, whoa! That's said in the privacy of my own bed. Um, and so in the beginning, we look at light through the two holes, and and you can see like the light interfering, you know, so um you there's gotta be some diagrams. But um there are notably many diagrams. When you put light through the two holes in the beginning, the light that interferes with each other cancels it out. So you have like light, shadow, light, shadow, light, shadow. Well, in this, I don't know if it's like electrons or like particles or something, but they're putting it through the holes and it's it's whatever if if um they have It's electrons. Electrons. So like if an electron goes through hole A Like basically, I'm not I don't know how to I'm missing a key part, but basically, like there can never be two going through the same hole. Like they always go through one goes through hole A, one goes through hole B, and like you can never trick it. Like it always just it knows if the other one went through hole B, it knows through if the other one went through hole A. Like there was no way that you could ever see it go through the same hole. They could never trick it. So somehow, like the electron position is known. Um they don't know how, but it is always known. And so that I think corresponds to the atomic decay, which was brought up, which is basically like every fifty like um the half-life of things, like things will automatically decay 50%. You don't know which, you just know it's gonna happen. And so with the search of Schrdinger's cat, um basically what this breaks down to is um like everything is happening until it's observed. So like if you have a cat in a box with a hammer and a vial of poison, there's you know a reality where like the cat would drink the poison and die, and then there's a reality Okay, so let's set up the experience this experiment.

SPEAKER_03 26:27

There's a cat in a box, and there's a vial of poison with a hammer, and essentially the hammer would break this poison or whatever, and it would kill the cat. But to trigger the hammer, there's like um a radioactive, there's a Geiger counter, and there's also like something radioactive in there. And essentially there's a 50-50 chance that the the radioactive thing is gonna set off the Geiger counter, which would then break the poison. So that's why the cat is both dead and alive, because there's a 50-50 chance. And why is there a 50-50 chance? Because uh yeah, because of the half-life, like you're saying. Yeah, but it's just because essentially, if they go in trying to observe that it did decay, the cat would be dead. And if they go in trying to observe that it didn't decay, I don't know, there's something, you know. Then the cat's alive. So essentially the cat is both dead and alive.

SPEAKER_04 27:26

And so this was like a way, it sounds like, to remove the observer from observing to see what happens. But you can never you can never open that box. You can never open that box, because once you observe it, it becomes real and everything else collapses into the real observed state. Um and this is Schrdinger's cat is also a thought experiment. So like they never actually prove this out physically, they're just saying, like, this is how quantum theory behaves, and this is what this means. Like, so thank you for setting up that scene, you have that scene. Um 50% of the time it's going to happen to where the hammer would come down and the cat would be dead, the other 50% of the time it would be alive because of the atomic decay. So I guess what I thought was interesting was Schrdinger's cat and the Copenhagen interpretation. Which is like, so then Copenhagen interpretation is saying that like atoms exist in a state of having both decayed and not decayed. So if atoms exist in a state where they are not decayed and decayed, that means that both of those possibilities are possible. So in this case, the cat is both alive and the cat is both dead. This is going to happen until you observe and one of which would become true and then the other would collapse. So like let's put that in layman's term. Like right now, everything in history's been observed. Like everything that you've experienced in your history has been observed. So like that is like that is it is it is I'm gonna use fact, but I'm sure that they use something else. But like it's truth. Yeah. And so like if you walk to the coffee shop today, like that is the observed truth. Like you didn't walk to your you didn't like walk to your grandma's, you know, you didn't go play basketball, like those all other realities that could have been have collapsed into the observed truth, which is like you went to the coffee shop. The future though is full of possibilities because nothing has collapsed until you're observed truth. Like you could go to your grandma's today, you could go play basketball, you could do whatever, like all of that possibilities like is still totally possible. It has not like decayed yet, it has not chosen observed truth, which I thought like hearing that like nothing is real until it's observed, the past is observed, the future is full of possibilities, was really empowering. What where did y'all land with that?

SPEAKER_03 30:03

Does that how does this how does this help our uh decisionally challenged friends?

SPEAKER_02 30:11

Yeah, cool. I don't know what you're talking about. Uh sometimes I do just need to talk it out, you know? I just need somebody to watch to Tiff's point. I need somebody to watch me make a decision. Or be with me while I'm making the decision. So in some ways it is helpful. In some ways, it's also paralyzing, even more so.

SPEAKER_04 30:37

Have you always like, is that like um like you enjoyed that as a kid? Or is that something that like you've enjoyed like later on? I don't know. I don't enjoy it.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

I don't enjoy it in the slightest. It's paralyzing. Do not enjoy it.

SPEAKER_04 30:58

Well, you just keep observing the truth where it is paralyzing. You just gotta observe the truth where like it's not paralyzing. And you can just make the decision.

SPEAKER_03 31:07

Hmm. That's just in Claire's gonna start a therapy company called Quantum Therapies.

SPEAKER_04 31:15

Yeah, all of my guidelines are rooted in quantum theory. Keep up or get out of my chair.

SPEAKER_03 31:23

She's a cat in the office, and it's name is Schrodinger. Yeah, dressed as Schrdinger's cat. She's like, if you bore me, I'll break this vial of poison. The cat'll go.

SPEAKER_02 31:35

Oh, that's funny.

SPEAKER_03 31:37

No, Claire, I agree with you. I think it's really cool. I've always I've always felt like the future has infinite possibilities, but it's nice to see it kind of explained to the best of scientists' abilities. I will say I started having that that crazy feel. Do you ever get that crazy feeling when you um all of a sudden just kind of the world goes dark and you're staring at a wall and you're like, okay, but what created the first atom? And then what created that?

SPEAKER_04 32:09

Oh. Well, if you believe in the like causation and effect, like everything would have had to come before. So like the Big Bang Theory, that would have been just like random, right?

SPEAKER_03 32:18

Yeah, but like, where did all of that come from?

SPEAKER_04 32:21

Stardust.

SPEAKER_03 32:23

And where did that come from? It starts to freak me out a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 32:26

Well, okay, I think I think I can answer this. You might not like it, but what came to mind was like what I picked up from this book is like anything is literally possible. Like anything. So if if we just have atom, like if we just have atoms, yeah, I guess that's the lowest form, right? Like, what but what are just atom comes? Hang out with me for a minute. Okay. We just have atoms, right? Like they're just a bunch of atoms. There are things that are the people than others. But in an atom, you know, like you never know.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

She just blew past it, kept going. She said, I'm not acknowledging that terrible joke. We're not talking about it. I said, Where are the eaves?

SPEAKER_04 33:11

Probably some apples. Also, my favorite is always a woman's fault. Um the saying when they're like, okay, but if Eve ate the Adam, why does Adam have an Adam's apple? That is my favorite thought-provoking question. It'd be crazy if Eve ate Adam. That's a whole different story. Um, I I guess like anything's possible. More things are probable. Just like just like when they were explaining how if you have a container and if you have a bunch of particles, like it's probably statistically impossible that all the particles are gonna be moving in the same direction at once. It's more likely that they're just like all moving around randomly, but at random it could move all in the same direction at once, which would cause momentum. Like maybe the Big Bang theory is just like a really low probable statistical arrangement of the particles in a way that created this. Just at random. Yeah, but where did those particles come from? I can't help you with that.

SPEAKER_03 34:17

I know, and that's where I start to freak myself out a little bit. You don't get a weird feeling when you think about it too hard. I'm gonna see if uh I mean, yeah, it's all energy.

SPEAKER_04 34:30

Paige has any idea where did the energy come from?

SPEAKER_03 34:32

I know, and it just starts to freak me out. Anyways, sorry. I started having those thoughts as I was finishing this book. I was like, oh god, I'm thinking too much about space.

SPEAKER_04 34:40

I do get it. Sometimes it is a little bit too heavy.

SPEAKER_03 34:43

Yeah. And I'm just kind of like, why don't I think about that more? And then I'm like, actually, I don't want to be thinking about that at all.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

I okay, yeah. Also, after a quick Google, I don't think that like we would necessarily understand it anyway. And I am speaking about myself here, but like the thing I'm getting is 13.8 billion years ago, the universe started as an incredibly hot, dense point and rapidly expanded. The basic building blocks of matter couldn't form, it was just pure energy. Like, I don't know what that means.

SPEAKER_03 35:17

Well, and I and I get that, and I under I understand what it means, but I'm like, but where did the point come from?

SPEAKER_02 35:26

Well, in the first tiny fractions of a second, as things cooled slightly, quarks popped into existence from pure energy. Quarks, see, this just makes me smell like we're part of a computer. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's possible.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

And I think that the tweak is. Well, someone turned the computer on, and in the first few seconds, we exploded into existence.

SPEAKER_04 35:54

Well, they do say if if things crystallize and become real when they observe what's observing us, right? Like we could just be a chain of the observ observations.

SPEAKER_03 36:07

Claire, I'm so glad you found meaning in this.

SPEAKER_04 36:13

Thank you, Courtney, for trying to satisfy our curiosity. Just kind of just kind of freaks me out a little more. I do think that another big takeaway is like energy. You know, I'm a big vibe galley. I'm a very big um energy, healing, flow. Um and I just feel like I've never been closer to Albert Einstein because I feel like he believes similar things about energy. About healing and flow. Well, just that like everything is energy.

SPEAKER_03 36:42

Okay, but Einstein's actually kind of a hippie. He's got like a toy shirt. He's like, hold on, I'm just I'm just bringing it through me. I have this idea. Claire, we're gonna need you to come up with the next theory of relativity.

SPEAKER_02 36:58

If anybody could, it would be Claire.

SPEAKER_03 37:00

Honestly, if anybody could, it'd be Claire gets really high one night and she's like, hmm. Hold on, Tiff was talking about that big bang.

SPEAKER_04 37:10

I will, I I do feel like I have come to some conclusions that were affirmed in this book. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 37:17

I love that.

SPEAKER_03 37:17

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

Yeah, especially because it was your pick. I feel like it makes sense that you're the one that got the most out of it.

SPEAKER_03 37:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

Um, Einstein though, and this made me feel better in the in my own vibey way. Like, when you think of like smart people in history, he's always like top three generally for people that comes to mind. So this is like, you know, one of the smartest men to ever walk the earth. And he was super wrong about this for his entire life, and that made me feel better. Even the smartest amongst us gets some things wrong. We gotta normalize that. Um, yeah, normalize being wrong.

SPEAKER_04 37:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:58

I've never been wrong, but no, I'm wrong all the time. Tiff's probably never been wrong. Tiff probably does.

SPEAKER_03 38:04

I definitely have not. Yeah. Um, sorry, I remember highlighting a section of this book, and I was like, I should go back and read that and see if I still understand what I highlighted. Oh, I'm excited. Okay. Can I read the things I highlighted? It truly has to do with um, like kind of what we talked at the be about at the beginning, the Copenhagen interpretation and observing electrons. I felt like these kind of sentences really summed it up nicely. All right. Okay, let's hear it. So this is this is in reference to that experiment with the double slits and kind of there's an electron gun at the front and it shoots one electron at a time, and they travel through the slits, and there's something at the there's a screen at the end that can detect which hole the electron went through, essentially. Just setting it up for people. Um an electron leaves the gun and arrives at the detector, and it seems to possess information about the whole experimental setup, including the observer. So that's kind of what we're talking about, where like. Anyways, I'm gonna continue on. The strangest thing about the standard Copenhagen interpretation of the quantum world is that it is the act of observing a system that forces it to select one of its options, which then becomes real. So it's like after you observe something, it selects the option. And this is, to be fair, all about the electron, but they take it and use it for the real world as well. Um, and then this sentence what what's worse is as soon as we stop looking at the electron or whatever we're looking at, it immediately splits up into a new array of ghost particles, each pursuing their own path of probabilities through the quantum world. Yeah, nothing is real unless we look at it, and it ceases to be real as soon as we stop looking. So, like there was this whole section about how like maybe they measured these or maybe they just kind of came up with this theory that like the electron before they observed it, there's like actually a lot of electrons, but those are the ghost electrons of the paths it can take. And but then as soon as you observe it, all of those kind of shroop into the electron. I've lit so I've I've Claire's been so excited her whole life.

SPEAKER_04 40:28

I I have. I've been on a walk and I've been breaking it down with Megan that like if you imagine, like, you know, when they do like um oh shit, what's it called? When you have those like little papers, basically like snapshots, and like there's so many ways, like if you look at like if you put your hands up, like there's so many ways that your hands can move, right? Like they can move forward, they can move back, and if you took like snapshots, there would be like snapshots of it moving, right? And I've always thought that like not always, but like recently I've been thinking about like wherever you put your momentum, that's what becomes actualized. Like if I wanted to like put my momentum forward, that's what becomes actualized. But like the snapshot to move backwards still exists, it's just a ghost. And so it's like you have the power to move, and that's why like when we talk about quantum leaping and like living the life you want, it's like, yeah, you could do anything, anything is possible, but you have to position yourself in a way where like the snapshots that are accessible to what you can hit are like within reach. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 41:32

In your path of momentum.

SPEAKER_04 41:33

The path of momentum.

SPEAKER_03 41:36

Wow. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 41:38

But like, like even though we only see our physical hand, like there are snapshots of all of the direct like it can't, you know, like all the directions that could move do exist in this ghost reality. I like that. I think the ghost reality was interesting.

SPEAKER_02 41:54

Um Is that the mini worlds? Is that that? Or is that different?

SPEAKER_04 41:57

No, so the mini world is saying that. So in the ghost reality, it's like we're in this one world, you have ghost realities until you observe and then it becomes actual. Oh, okay. The mini worlds is saying that we have mini worlds where each ghost reality is actually a real reality branching off. And so, like, for the Schrdinger's cat in the in the ghost reality, it's like both of those are ghost realities until you observe it. But in the mini worlds, both cats are actually alive, actually dead. They're in their own worlds, living that own reality. Yes, that's right. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 42:37

And then maybe there's maybe there's a third reality of that cat. You never know. There's actually actually infinite possibilities. I was gonna say because it could splits off, and then there's more splitting from there. I think Imagine the cat survives, walks out of the box, instantly dies.

SPEAKER_04 42:54

Well, I that's that's its own, like I know, I know. It's only it's always binary. It can only be true or false, but like yes, it could be true that's alive, and then the next decision is the next decision is yeah, it branches off infinitely, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:08

And that's why decisions are so polarizing. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 43:12

It's literally quantum theory, Courtney. You're not paralyzed, you're just you're just doing quantum theory.

SPEAKER_03 43:18

So every time Courtney's doing not my decision, now you could say, listen. This is this is there's a lot going into this. Yeah, have you ever heard of quantum theory? Someone's like, Courtney, I asked if you wanted a Ruben.

SPEAKER_02 43:32

And the answer to that is always yes.

SPEAKER_03 43:37

No, there's no such thing as always infinite possibilities.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

The answer to that is mostly yes, you're correct. Um, but I do um for me, and I think that it's because I didn't understand a lot of the science. Like it's funny, Tiff, what you highlighted is very different than the stuff that I highlighted. Mine are like I highlighted about how they wouldn't let the woman win the Nobel Prize because. She was dead, but they made exceptions for other people. I was like, that's fucked up. Um I didn't highlight anything about the science because I don't think I really understood it all that well. But I do I don't understand the multiverse theory. I mean, I understand it in a way, but I don't understand the science behind it. But I do think the multiverse or the many worlds interpretation, whatever you want to call it, is like really fascinating. It's crazy. Claire's always been into the multiverse, I think. Yeah. Claire Claire and I talked about the multiverse on a winter walk recently.

SPEAKER_04 44:36

Yeah, I think this is when I was having like my really big conundrums about like physics and how like everything is just momentum and yeah, like and tension.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

Oh yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 44:49

Yeah. Like if you're upset that you can't get out of bed, well, it's because you haven't created enough tension. So add a little bit of tension. Take those sheets off. See if that adds enough tension for you to get your butt up, Claire. I'm still trying to be a morning person 30 years later. Um that is funny, Corney, that that's what um stood out. Because I feel like I typically fall on like I feel like we typically fall under the same categories of um how we like interpret things. And I'm definitely on the the other side of this with Tim.

SPEAKER_02 45:26

Yes. Yep. And that is okay. I can I can take the the didn't understand this book award, and that's I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_03 45:38

But I think that it's still good that you read it. Like I think it's okay to not fully understand. Like there, I definitely didn't understand a lot. Like when we started getting into like bosons and positrons and antimatter, I was kind of like, okay, cool, like I can just kind of suspend my disbelief on that and just like keep reading to get to the theory. Because I think that's what I really cared about. But I will say by doing that, I still feel like I picked up a lot. Because like even the Schrdinger's cat thing, it's like, oh, well, I understand how elect I understand how they measure electrons and how they don't measure electrons, so this makes sense to me. Yes. But but yeah, again, I do remember learning about it in a philosophy class, and I just don't think that's the best place to learn about it because you really kind of need a base knowledge.

SPEAKER_04 46:27

Well, and they're missing the atomic decay portion. It's like, well, why could it be 50-50? Because we're all decaying at a half-life, we can't predict which parts of us decay. Um I got a what's been really kind of throwing me off, and I'd be curious about your guys's, is like this book talks a lot about energy. Um and like when you think about emotions, right? Like anger takes a lot more energy than calmness, you know, just from like uh what you feel in your body. Isn't it crazy that like we can create energy? And I'm assuming that not well, energy can't be created nor destroyed. I guess we can embow embody energy, like we can manipulate energy, we can like that's been really mind-bucking for me.

SPEAKER_03 47:14

I guess I didn't really think about that. Me either, but I like it.

SPEAKER_02 47:19

Yeah. Yeah, because when you just you're like you literally get like hot physically.

SPEAKER_04 47:28

Yeah. We have that power, and we have to sleep and eat, and like there's ways that like we have to engage with it. But we have the ability. We're like energy benders.

SPEAKER_03 47:42

I'd love to be able to bend my energy into making my life better. I know, I was like, I didn't know what to say, so I just kind of said something. No, I love my life. Um but interesting, yeah. I guess I've never really thought about that.

SPEAKER_05 48:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:02

Nice. Um, well, I guess I just want to conclude with um all possibilities exist until observed. So don't sell yourself short.

SPEAKER_03 48:20

I always I have always felt like you're you can do any goal you set, you just have to be very intentional with how you're like you just have to like you can't just set a goal and then not do anything to get towards it, you know?

SPEAKER_04 48:39

Like Oh no. I'm not wearing headphones.

SPEAKER_03 48:46

That's okay. That's okay.

SPEAKER_04 48:48

Okay. Yes, you can just set a goal.

SPEAKER_02 48:55

Tip Tip said that's okay through the biggest grimace I've ever seen her make. We can only see a little bit. At least she's recording.

SPEAKER_03 49:06

I thought you were about to say you weren't recording.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

I do check my recording at least three times per session, going, oh fuck. What if I didn't turn it on?

SPEAKER_04 49:14

Okay. Um, anything is possible. And then you know what?

SPEAKER_02 49:19

It's on all of us a little bit because none of us caught that you weren't wearing headphones.

SPEAKER_03 49:23

Yeah, not at all. Um but I do think I think if you set a goal and you are very intentional about doing what you need to do to get there, I think you could. I I just like whenever I think about a goal, I'm like, there's no way I can't do this. I just have to prioritize things that are gonna get me there. Claire, don't put them on now. I'm no, because I'll just run it through like a noise cancelling software and it's gonna get all funky if you switch it up.

SPEAKER_04 49:55

Yeah, isn't that like brain elasticity or something of that sort? Or like neuroplasticity?

SPEAKER_02 50:01

What's that? Um, I think so. I think you're right, Claire.

SPEAKER_04 50:04

You're gonna love this.

SPEAKER_02 50:05

It I do find this like your brain can change. Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_04 50:10

Like whoa. Neuroplasticity is the brain's lifelong ambitions and responsible variants or injury. So what does that mean? Like that means that you can basically become whoever you want to become through um just like thinking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:34

Sorry, you're kind of you're kind of cutting in and out and freezing.

SPEAKER_02 50:38

I couldn't tell if that was me or Claire.

SPEAKER_03 50:40

Just like no, it's Claire. She's kind of frozen. Ew. Claire.

SPEAKER_02 50:44

Oh, she's super frozen. Oh, oh the tough part is like the recording is gonna catch all of this. I know. This screenshot of Claire.

SPEAKER_03 50:55

Oh fuck, I just lost it.

SPEAKER_04 50:57

Just basically that you can become whoever you want to be. Like you can you control your thoughts. Sorry, and therefore, like you can control who you are, and therefore who you what you put your energy in, and to your point, you can do anything. Um I mean, I feel like you've like you've you've really changed trajectory over the past few years and just like your lifestyle. Like, that's a testament.

SPEAKER_03 51:25

Yeah. Well, I just think that like sometimes in life you gotta do stuff that you don't really want to do. And I think that and I just my I'm just kind of I think I've kind of accepted that and I can do that, and I just think that like it's harder for some people, and I totally get that, or whatever, but it's even like small decisions, you know, where it's like I don't know what I'm trying to think of. And I I'm not I the last thing I want to do is put you on blast clear, but this is the only thing I can think of. But it's like but it's like the getting out of bed thing, right? It's like or like becoming a morning person. Like I know it's so much eas I know it's I know it's hard. Like I get that, but it that's just one of the and I do it too. But like I just I just know sometimes if I'm like, oh, I really want to do do good on this project, that like just I can just get myself out of bed easier by that, you know. It's it's less, yeah. I I don't know like what I'm trying to say. But I just think that like go ahead. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 52:31

Um, I was just gonna say, like, I think that uh sort of tying it back where it's like what you when you see it it becomes real. I think that sometimes, especially when you're doing things that you don't want to do or things that feel scary, until you see like an immediate result.

unknown 52:47

I don't like talking about it.

SPEAKER_02 52:48

Even if it's really small, it can be hard to be like, oh, this is why I should do this. So like I don't like talking to strangers uh at all. And I've been trying to do it more because it's scary, but it's also really good for me. And I was playing softball a couple weeks ago, and this girl on the other team had really cool cleats, and she got to second base, and I was like, those are I would not do this normally, but I was like, those are really cool cleats, I like them, whatever, because I was playing second base, so I was right there. And then I like later, she the next time she went around, she was like, Did you used to coach softball at Upper Arlington High School? And I was like, Yeah, and she was like, I'm Taylor, I used to play for you. And I was like, Oh my god, that was a decade ago. I can't believe you remember me.

SPEAKER_03 53:35

Like, I but anyway, so it was like her you, you you were her coach, yeah, for sure. But like you remember her.

SPEAKER_02 53:41

Well, no, I did remember her, but she looks a lot different because like she was 18 and now she's 28, like you change a lot. Um, and she was also our best player, of course. I remember her, like after she said that. Um but it's so funny because I was like, okay, well, I hate talking to strangers, and I wouldn't normally do this, but I'm trying to make myself do it. And then I immediately I saw it like the like you know, when you see it, it becomes truth. I'm trying to I'm trying to relate to that. Yeah. So I think just like when like when there's like that positive reinforcement, I think that helps a ton. So if you hate getting out of bed and then you get out of bed and like there's not any particular reward, like especially immediately, it's hard to be like, oh, I should do this more.

SPEAKER_03 54:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_04 54:27

Because it's like it maybe I'm in I'm using tension and friction together, but it's like an object at rest will stay at rest unless acted upon by another force. To f your other forces that your desire to work on a project or whatever is greater than your desire to stay at rest. I haven't found the You haven't found your your force. My force, exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:48

We gotta find the force within Claire.

SPEAKER_04 54:50

Right. And so my thought is like, well, if I can't find the force, maybe I can reduce the comfort level to add more friction. Reduce the friction. Reduce the friction. Reduce the friction. Um so then everything goes.

SPEAKER_03 55:02

The friction is nice warm bed.

SPEAKER_05 55:04

So nice.

SPEAKER_04 55:05

I fucking love sleeping. I've really been accepting this lately. I just love. I love to sleep. Juliet, you get me? Me, me and Juliet, we can sleep. You guys are sleepers. So nice. Um, yeah, that's fun. I'm Courtney. I'm glad that you're putting yourself out there. That surprises me. Because I've only known the version of you that's very talking to strangers is so scary. Really?

SPEAKER_02 55:34

What if they hate me?

SPEAKER_03 55:36

What? I feel like you used to be you used to be talking to strangers. What has happened? Really?

SPEAKER_02 55:42

I feel like you used like maybe I'm masking it very well then. Huh. I don't know. But I'm getting back out there and talking to strangers.

SPEAKER_04 55:54

Good.

SPEAKER_02 55:55

Or maybe I've always done it and I'm just now becoming, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 56:00

Maybe, yeah, maybe you're becoming maybe when you're not paying attention to it, yeah. It's easier to just kinda do it, but I get it.

SPEAKER_04 56:10

Well, isn't it also wild that like in your head you can be having this really real reality of like I hate talking to strangers, but then outwardly everybody's like, oh, you're good at talking to strangers.

SPEAKER_03 56:18

What are you talking about? Just make it till you make it.

SPEAKER_02 56:21

Well, and I literally just told Claire this, but I always think about Claire because she's so good, like at a party or like in a new social setting. She walks right up to somebody and goes, Hi, by the way, I'm Claire, we haven't met yet, and like shakes their hand, and it's like this instant icebreaker. And when you're on the receiving end of it and somebody does that to you, you're like, Oh, thank god, I didn't know. Like, I know everybody else in the room except for this one person, and they just broke the ice, and now we're good. Like, that is such a relief. And so I try to do that now. But it's really hard to like psych myself up to do it. It's a lot of energy.

SPEAKER_03 56:56

So hey, bada bing. And where does your energy come from, Claire? What about that first atom?

SPEAKER_04 57:05

Like what she's recharging those batteries. But like what really does perplex me is like, yeah, like if like I get let's say I get really worked up because of um road rage, you know, most of the times I don't. Um covering your own ass here. Um because it just makes me like I get very like I get conflict gives me my body tension. Um so most of the but if I'm in a mood where I'm really feeling myself and you do piss me off, um, it's like out of nowhere I can just like suck in all this. Well, oh my god. I'm thinking about you know, when you talk to people and they drain your energy. Do we take energy from other people?

SPEAKER_02 57:55

Maybe. Unbeknownst to us, Claire lit a joint before this. No, I'm kidding. I love it, Claire. You think so where I'm like, wow. Yeah. No, I've I mean, you're at least like metaphorically correct. Maybe that might also be. They're energy suckers, not blood suckers.

SPEAKER_04 58:17

Let's write a vampire energy sucking trilogy.

SPEAKER_03 58:20

Yeah, but I always feel like the people that drain my energy, okay, if they're taking my energy, what are they doing with it? Because they still suck. Like, take my energy and use it for good. And do something with it. Yeah. It's like they're draining my energy, but they're not using it. So, like.

SPEAKER_02 58:40

And that's that's where I draw the line.

SPEAKER_03 58:42

Yeah, like take my energy, but do something with it, you know. Uh-huh. I like that. I just feel like no one's drained my energy and then gone and like a speech to a hundred people, you know. So I'm like, where's that energy going? Turns out energy can be destroyed, and you're doing it.

SPEAKER_04 59:01

That's not cute, because you remember when we did the um the presentations and we had to like p h hype each other up. It's like we were giving each other like energy to like go slay. What presentations? When we were in uh university and we were doing like all of our uh you know, like our Guyana pitches and our Oh the scripts uh the okay, I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_03 59:24

Okay, sorry. I needed context.

SPEAKER_04 59:26

No, you get it. I mean, because obviously we t I I framed it with draining energy, but you yeah, you also go to your friends to you know hype yourself up, get out of funks. Um and so maybe protecting your energy and who you give it to is really important.

SPEAKER_03 59:43

Clara loves a boundary.

SPEAKER_04 59:47

Yeah, I mean that would be a good therapist. According to quantum theory, you shouldn't be giving that person your energy. So true. This is wild. This is gonna make me feel uncomfortable for a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:00

Oh, so this makes you feel uncomfortable. Not where did the first itty bitty atom come from?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:05

No, because I think at some point you just have to accept. I think at some point you just have to accept.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:10

Yeah. Like there's no, there's there's And same with energy, Claire. I think you just have to accept.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:17

So the theme of Schrdinger's cat is acceptance. We've come full circle. I feel like I'm in therapy right now. In a good way. That's the thesis of all of my therapy sessions, acceptance. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:30

So then where did y'all where did y'all land with the rankings?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:34

Oh yeah. I think I left it at a four, and I think I'm gonna finish it with a four.

unknown 1:00:39

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:40

You would you would suggest it to people? Yeah. I think it's very interesting, especially if someone has an interest in this kind of stuff. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:48

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:49

But I would I would say I would this is why I can't give it a five. I'd give it a four with a heavy caveat of just read the formulas as if you know them. And then you'll still pick up on stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:05

Honestly, I did listen to that, and I do agree. That helped a lot, so thank you. You saved my energy.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:11

And I am curious because this is one thing I was I was talking to Amy about it, and she's like, when was this book written? The 80s. And it was written in 1984, so I'm curious if there's like a more because this is such a like new wave physics. Like, I assume there has to have been some breakthroughs since then. Okay, sorry, I just short-circuited clear.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:36

Well, I think breakthroughs is different than talking about until I'm processing. Um, I get a lot of like quantum theory videos on my algorithm, but I don't think it's just like people explaining it or making you think.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:48

Yeah, but I'm curious, like, there's gotta be some like papers and stuff that have come out with like some either either takes on the theory, you know. I'm sure people have been challenging these theories for 40 years now, so it's like I'm sure there's been some other ways of th like some reframing or something like that. Like, I'd be curious. I'd be curious.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:12

Well, I don't know if the science has changed a ton, but I bet that the way people can explain things has probably gotten a lot better. And Schrdinger's grandson, so not the author of the book, but Schrdinger's grandson wrote a book, which is funny. Oh, interesting. They're supposed to be really good. Um, but there are a couple that have been written in the last uh like six and seven years that are getting really good reviews, according to the internet.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:41

Um I know what we're gonna be reading in six weeks. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:49

Um yeah. So, Claire, there's more where this came from if you're if you're still still itching.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:59

I think I got my foot for the moment. Um I do feel like I understood it more than Bunny, which is like kind of wild to think that.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:10

Yeah. What would you uh what's your final ranking, Claire? Or do you want me to go?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:16

I'd probably do a three and a half.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:18

Um she went down. I'm so glad I know she went up. Oh, she went up. She was a three. I'm so glad. You were actually a three last time as well. It was threes across the board. Oh, damn. I don't know. I think we were all unsure.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:33

Sorry, Claire, continue.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:35

I don't think I could have motivated myself to finish the book if I didn't have it for book club, so thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:41

Um yeah, so three and a half. What about you, Court?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:46

I think I'm sticking with a three.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:50

Ooh. A little stair step.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:52

I'm like debating two five, but um, I enjoyed the conversation.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:57

We really shouldn't do, we shouldn't do half steps for this, because you know an electron can really only go up one full step at a time. There's no one between.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:05

Oh my god. I'm hanging up now. Wow. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:11

I think from nerdy references, this book has taken the cake. I think it's all made us a little nerdy.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:17

And it did, it was enjoyable convos, which um is always fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:22

But I also would not have been able to motivate solo. This was this was a group effort. For sure. Um that that brings our total rank or our average ranking. Last two books in a row, we have gone up in the second half, which frankly unheard of around here. Yeah. Uh, so we ended with an average ranking of 3.67, which is not bad. Not bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:48

I think we're getting a nice little book scale going here.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:51

This matches this uh exactly matches our final um our final uh ratings for 1984.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:00

What which this book was written in 1984.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:05

Guys. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. And I think a big reason I gave 1984 a three is because I kind of didn't understand it.

unknown 1:05:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:14

I enjoyed talking about it with you guys. On that note, we have a book Courtney will be able to understand next time. Unfortunately, we're going to the opposite end of the quantum spectrum, and we're gonna read Cleat Cute.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:29

What's that about, Tiff?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:31

Uh, I think it's about lesbian soccer players that have a meat cute, but it's called a cleat cute.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:37

A sapphic rivals to lovers rom com for fans of Ted Lasso in a league of their own, where two soccer teammates are at odds before falling in love as their team gears up for the World Cup.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:48

I think it's gonna be quite an easy read, and I think our brains do need a little break. That is all I'm gonna say is thank god I wasn't working while I had to read this book. That would have That would have been overload on the brain.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:01

It would have been tough.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:02

So sorry that you guys did do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:05

You know what's um I think that so Cleat Cute is gonna become a movie, first of all. I thought it was a prime TV show. Or so Oh, that's of all the things that should get a movie over it, or that you know there's so many books where you're like this should be a show adaptation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:24

That's that's that's I guess not surprising in the wake of um heated rivalry, but Well, okay, so it's truly just Oh my god, it's produced by Sue Bird and Megan Rapino.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:37

Yeah, that's the only reason I've heard of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:40

And it's just an adaptation. So it's gonna it's gonna be called Playing the Field, and it's an ensemble comedy following the US women following US women's national team soccer players.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:51

Whoa.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:52

Say that one more time. Uh which part? The part about the US team? It's just gonna be an ensemble comedy following rival US women's national team soccer players. Oh, I see. So that's gonna be fun. That's gonna be fun because Megan Rupino's gonna have a lot of good insight on like stuff, like, you know, stuff that actually happens on the national team. So that's gonna be fun. That's true.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:16

And I guess this probably does happen in real life pretty frequently in women's sports.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:20

So Yeah. Tobin Heath and Kristen Press. There's nothing better. There's nothing better.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:27

Um, this is well well loved at the Columbus Library. I'm looking at it now. There are 17 physical copies, 11 are out, and there's no ebook or audiobook uh availability at this time either. So it's the the sapphics everywhere are scrambling.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:49

I do think it's gonna be s a quick read, too. Yeah. Like I think we're gonna I think I can't wait to talk about this one. I can't wait to have our podcast be quantum theory cute. Oh, yeah. That just kind of that just kind of tickles me pink. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:06

Claire, I don't know how far you are from the Delaware branch of the Columbus Library, but it's available there.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:11

That's great to know. Thanks so much. I'm about 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:16

Oh, that's kind of far. Anyway. Anyway. Great job, everybody. It was a pleasure.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:23

Good job, fellas. That was that was one for the book. Bye. Bye.