The Rise and Fall of Trust
The Rise and Fall of Trust dives deep into the defining moments when trust is earned, shattered, or put on the line. In each episode, hosts Anne Claessen and Pete Mockaitis sit down with bold, honest professionals–from wealth advisors and legal experts to executive coaches and thought leaders–who’ve seen trust tested in real time.
Through real-world stories of extraordinary follow-through and shocking betrayal, you’ll gain powerful insights into how trust shapes reputations, relationships, and results. Discover the traits that elevate someone from good to unforgettable, and the red flags that signal a fall from grace.
Whether you’re leading teams, advising clients, or navigating your own high-stakes path, this podcast helps you master the art of trust in business AND in life.
New episodes drop every other week. Tune in to uncover what makes trust thrive, and what causes it to collapse.
The Rise and Fall of Trust
The Seven Rules of Trust: Designing Trust at Scale with Wikipedia Founder Jimmy Wales
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What happens when you shift from a seven-stage approval process that screams “we don't trust you” to a radically open model where almost anyone can edit anything?
In this episode, we feature a special conversation (originally hosted by Pete Mockaitis of How to Be Awesome at Your Job) with Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales. Jimmy shares the story of how Wikipedia went from an intimidating, top-down editorial system to the open-source knowledge powerhouse we know today.
This conversation explores how designing systems that assume good faith promotes more trustworthy behavior. Jimmy also connects these principles to real-world examples across industries: subscription dark patterns, pandemic health guidance, social media algorithms, and why Netflix succeeded where Blockbuster failed.
As you listen, consider Jimmy’s invitation to take a “trust inventory” and notice where your own organization may be unintentionally signaling mistrust and what could change if you flipped that script.
What You’ll Learn:
- How the Seven Rules of Trust emerged from Wikipedia’s early failures and reinvention.
- What it really means to design trust at scale inside large, open systems.
- Why assuming good faith can be more powerful than control in leadership and organizations.
- How subtle design choices quietly shape whether people feel trusted or policed.
- Where modern institutions and platforms unintentionally lose credibility.
- Why transparency and independence still matter in a world driven by metrics and clicks.
- A simple “trust inventory” you can apply to your own organization or work.
Ideas Worth Sharing:
- "One of the things people first think of when you say ‘what makes an organization more trustworthy?’ … is transparency." - Jimmy Wales
- “If you approach someone and you trust them—and you make it clear that you're trusting them—they're very likely to reciprocate because humans are like that." - Jimmy Wales
- “Take a trust inventory. So think about all the different aspects of your work life, your home life, all of that. ‘What are the things that I could do to help people trust me, and what are the things I can do to encourage other people to be trustworthy?’” - Jimmy Wales
Resources:
- The Seven Rules of Trust: A Blueprint for Building Things That Last by Jimmy Wales
- Wikipedia
- How to be Awesome at Your Job
- Trust Café
About Jimmy Wales:
Jimmy Wales is the co-founder of Wikipedia and a pioneer of the open knowledge movement. In addition to Wikipedia, Jimmy is the author of The Seven Rules of Trust, where he explores how individuals and institutions can earn credibility through independence, respect, and ethical system design. His work continues to shape conversations around trust, media, and the future of the internet.
Connect with Jimmy:
LinkedIn: Jimmy Wales
Connect with Pete:
LinkedIn: Pete Mockaitis
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