Episode 36 - Man United v Liverpool

This week we took a look back at gameweek 34 in the premier league which saw Chelsea slip down to 8th and Brighton move up to 6th, Liverpool & Man United gained 3 more points towards champions league qualification, and Arsenal went 3 points clear at the top. We started with our weekly news, an update on our predictions table, questions from our listeners, then finished with a little preview of the big clash on Sunday at Old Trafford between United & Liverpool

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Welcome back, episode 46, Lads on the Sideline Podcast. It's me, Conor, it's always joined by New National. Welcome back everybody.

SPEAKER_02 0:14

Welcome back everybody as usual.

SPEAKER_01 0:15

Thanks for listening. Yeah, thanks everyone for listening the last couple of weeks. Much appreciated. Welcome if it's your fourth episode or if you've come back and listen to all 46. Welcome back as well. Brilliant, you've just did. Look yeah, well appreciated, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. It must be the fourth episode I do, but it's sunny outside, is it?

SPEAKER_02 0:36

Yeah, if you come here, you never know, you might get away with a whole whole hour there in Amblins as well.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

Yeah, we'll see, yeah. But uh yeah, no, look at we'll kick straight on into our news. Thankfully, there's not too much news in fairness. Uh the four two are basically the same, just to touch on them. We all newborn you'd be relegated, but it's official now they're back into the championship, so very no surprise. I think the three of us put them in to get relegated. So yeah, yeah. It's sort of between them and wolves and have to sing who finishes last, isn't it? That's as much as they'll grow out of the season. Um that much investment, isn't it? Yeah, compared to like the Sunday. I'd bear Kyle Walker. I wouldn't really know too many of their players that might even get a move to the league team. No, Coventry coming up might buy one of them two of them. I don't think plays with them that would be good enough for him. Probably one of the better players lead on his need, didn't you? I think he's the captain, like yeah, yeah. Yeah, the human easy off for the last couple of months, anyway. It's in the start of the season, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Nearly nearly, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

Yeah, yeah. Like yeah, half season passes a boy like that, and then you can get relegated.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

Yeah, it's brutal. Yeah, uh and then the other relegation then is would have would be a bigger relegation. Uh lesser had gone to League One ten years after winning the Premier League. That's a shock altogether. That's that's these things can happen. So when people are saying like spores and West Ham are they'd come straight back up, whichever one of them goes down, like it's it's not that easy, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 2:06

Well look at Leeds when they went down and they were a big club as well, and then obviously then they lost players and all, but it takes you it could take you years. It might be taking the years to win the league, like after the United 14 years to win the league, if you go down to that championship, it's such a growing league to try and grow out of. Yeah, like it's hard, really hard. So, like be relegated out of that'll be a disaster out of the out of the out of the Premier.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

And they said they'd have more players than Burney that you'd recognise as being if they got relegated from the Premier League, like alright, let's see how the Premier League players, but get relegated out of the championship is bad, isn't it? Yeah, after win the league, like I said, 10 years ago. It's brutal, Holtigar. Yeah, there's a long way back for them, isn't it? Yeah, definitely, yeah. Next two bits in there was our managerial pieces, and there was one I'll just touch on because we do have a question about it later. About Mourinho, supposedly, the flavoring out of the Madrid job. Like I said, Sean has a question on it later, so we'll touch on it later on a bit more, but that was a bit of a strange until we've gone back.

SPEAKER_02 3:05

Yeah, can I touch on it all right later on? Experience.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, uh, and the one manager who didn't really have too much experience, and again, it's not a surprise that he's gone, but we're a senior. We must have mentioned it a couple of times and heard uh he won't last too long, but he wasn't the right man for the job.

SPEAKER_02 3:25

He didn't come across as a person that could uh get the best there with uh good characters that'd be in the team and all like that. Like with Chelsea, they don't really have great characters, but he didn't seem to be the person that's fit there to make them into that, and and like Chelsea's just uh uh I don't know why they run the club, they just run it as I don't know, like skill by teams and all like that. Like they just buy players over long contracts, and then the players can say to themselves, well, I don't care what happens here, like because I'm on a seven-year contract, so I'll still get me money. So like if he's badly raging me here or body rigging me there, I don't care. I'll I'll sit in the bench for seven years and just get me 200 grand a week, whatever. It's just bad, isn't it? Bad business, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 4:07

Talking to a fellow working, something similar you said there as well. He said um that's why he likes to keep Maguire's vital for moments like that, because he wouldn't have any of that in the dressing room. No, that's we say it's keeping that's an ex a good example of keeping experience around to keep the values of the club there, and not saying you'd like to fall on it, but he could. Many characters and guys you said have Chelsea had throughout the years. Top top players that you'd pick in could be a Premier Triple Even. Like I mean it's from back when they were top of their game, like you know. So to keep the likes of Maguire around, I can understand his point.

SPEAKER_02 4:38

Like I yeah, when Evans was kept as well there, characters and all, yeah, look at that.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Keeps the values of the club, keeps people professional. Just having people like that around. You should most people not most people would follow suit in this generation when it was different, but just it's a club as big as Chelsea. They just look they look like they were I heard they were um mocking them and slagging them and all like and whether it's true or not, I probably would believe it. I can imagine that, yeah. But at the same time, like I expect them. Yeah, it's true.

SPEAKER_02 5:05

You always get groups of players and he like on any team, just say we play we all played football, you'd always have your own little groups, and if one little group and and they don't like the manager say, like, they'll all talk about it. He's brutal. Why did he get him in and you know all this goes on on everything? But at a professional level is as good as Chelsea, um, they should have never got that wrong.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

But oh, it doesn't always work there. You might have had awful trouble with players, like you know, keeping those players around doesn't always work either. Like this people would be thinking I'm sure Maguire's there for five man, the manager's being sacked, you know. I was just thinking that myself there as well, but uh it's nothing you can you can't that's why you and Fernand Sambrand and that they grew the at least he got rid of all those goals makers for us, you know. So I think we would have been looking at United a couple of years ago, you would be able to pick out these players who were a bit sort of troublesome. Yeah, I'm sure if you asked Chelsea fans, even us from the outside looking in, you could probably pick out Fernandez and Garnacho and a couple of players like that to where you're looking at them thinking, yeah, the man Gusto and all Kucarella. I'd say they're a bit naughty and I'd say they're the sort of not say the leaks or anything like this that happens. Like you can try to pick out the players when you look at Chelsea and think, yeah, I'd say they're the the little the little gang over there in the corner that are Garnacious.

SPEAKER_02 6:21

Yeah, yeah, definitely. That's it, but yeah, to do a lot of talking behind everybody's back, I'd say.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

Yeah. Look hopefully look, he's a young man, just hopefully it doesn't affect him getting a job forward down the line, in fairness, is the only thing I'd say. Yeah, and he's 25 million payoff will probably help two.

SPEAKER_02 6:34

Yeah, I'm sure they're in the fairness. We won't be getting anywhere near that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

So just the last two, not much news for considering we've been touching on the last couple of weeks, the two cup competitions. So Chelsea and speaking of Chelsea, they're in another cup final. Uh, and City are in the FA Cup final. So I think they both deserve to go through. Chelsea were the better team, I think, against Leeds in fairness, and then City. Yeah, just bring on the players and do what you have to do against Southampton, didn't he? Gave it a good go.

SPEAKER_02 7:02

But look, in fairness, Southampton, they proved like that they could be a good team if they did come up. Now, like they give you they give anybody a good game, but it's still hard to come up, you still have to invest in the team for the premiership. But I'd like to see them coming up because they're the most informed team in the championship, and like knowing that's going to be in the playoffs if they stay in the playoff, it's gonna like to play them.

SPEAKER_00 7:23

No, no, definitely not.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

So uh yeah, that's strange. Yeah, they come finals like two weeks before the leaves. Yeah, yeah, very strange. No, the World Cup was on and whatnot, and trying to squeeze it all in. In England, isn't it? Because it's stupid that way. Like, and even looking at them again, it goes back to a question we got a couple of weeks ago about the semi-finals, like there's only like 70,000 people at the city instead of Hunter game, and then it's like 82 or whatever else at the Chelsea and Leeds match. You'd think they'd just have them in somewhere a bit more neutral, wouldn't you?

SPEAKER_02 7:55

I mean, they did it years ago, didn't he? Like a long time ago, like like four years of time, obviously, but you wouldn't have known about it. That like man, if Chelsea went in the final, like to say Manchester City were playing against Liverpool, just say they could play it in Stanford Bridge at the time. Do you know what I mean? Like they'd play in sports ground or Arsenal's ground, or else if if United went in and just say, like and sports were in there, like in some years, you could play up in Old Stafford. Like a lot of games, and like, but now it's Wembley just for the semi-final finance. Like as you said, like like even with the Man City game, you could see loads of empty seats, couldn't you? Yeah, yeah. That's probably now coming out. There's a lot more like late fans now there now the next day for Chelsea. Oh, big time, eh? That's probably not the Man City she don't fill their own stadium when they're playing their own home matches.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

Yeah, the empty head, innit? Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 8:37

So like so, realistically, like it could have been two championship teams in the in the semi-final and what you filled it up.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

Yeah, probably the playoff final probably more than that.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Yeah, it'd be rain, it's just being realistic. Like I know Man City fans like to hear it, but if you're a truthful Man City fan, you'd agree with it. Well, not telling lies there. The seats are full of both and not than that. Yeah, it's not, it's a fact, you can't argue a fact. Yeah, but there you go, like if it holds well, what does memory hold like nearly ninety thousand? Is it there you go? That's 20,000 short. That's going to be shown if you're watching on the telly, or the MP seats. Yeah, definitely you can't hide a bit in that.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

You know what I mean? Yeah, and then the other one then the Champions League semi-finals are tonight, so PSG and Bayern are on there later on, um, and then Arsenal and Atletico tomorrow. So again, four good games to look forward to. And it could be kind of contrast, and PSG and Bayern could be ending in the hall, and you know it could be the high scoring game, but you'd assume PSG and Bayern will both just go for it.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

Look, next week it'll tell, won't it? Yeah, they'll be both become like obviously tonight with PSG and Byron and Atletico and Arsenal tomorrow. But you don't know, but next week then you just have to go for it, it's all guns blazing in the second game. Like when it goes to the second game, that's it, isn't it? You know what we have to do.

SPEAKER_01 9:46

Yeah, we tell me. But no, look at good games to look forward to. Unfortunately, again for us, United fans are nowhere near any semi-finals, but for next year, you never know, we'll see. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

Well, we're in the under 18 FA Cup final, I mean, as well as the City's over. So, what can you do? Look, I know you only got one bit of news, and you know what? It's only because I heard the lads today in the job time about the darts. I like what we darts volume now. I we used to watch years ago when um when Phil Taylor used to play. When he gave when he gave up, then I just stopped watching it because I liked him. But somebody was saying a girl today, like um Bo Graves was her name when she she won at first um competition in the men's ranking PDO um ranking title, she won against um Michael Smith, first one in history. Like in even to even to get where she had to be um to a couple of world champions that were before and Gary Anderson and Rob Cross. So she did well, and then back in February, I believe, then when I was looking at her then and I found out where she's the first woman to get a ninth art finish. She's only 22. Bo Graves is our name. So we give her a shout out for women, just say we don't know whether we have any women listening to us and that, but but still it's women's sport, and it's in the darts, it's usually a male-dominated game, to say, and for for her to do that, then get a ninth art against a man, just say Sue Lig Vic, if I can remember, just say ninth art for the first one, 22. My nickname is Bo Narrow.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

It might be girls listen to us as a question that came in later on. It's it's Lee, it's spelled, but it's um it's the Irish way it's been Lee, L E I G H so. Yeah, but hopefully.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

Yeah, well, then we should give it a shout out to Lee now, yeah. But look, it's great for women's sports, and it's good to see them getting well mixed in with the men's sport and actually competing well. It's good to see. Yeah, it's very good, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

Yeah, uh with that fill hit the bullseye with that one there, didn't he?

SPEAKER_02 11:37

So yeah, well, I'm not even talking about snooker. So we're not even talking about snooker now, the world championship is on.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

Um I'll put the light on there because they're blind.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

Well, look at you look at it. I'm even gonna say this before you man, you're the ones the result of the weekend, not no forest being Sunderland five. That comes right down. I don't think anybody would have that's unbelievable, wasn't it? No matter what, like you would never call that.

SPEAKER_03 12:12

No.

SPEAKER_02 12:13

No, I don't do you know what I can't even remember the prediction like with the with the games during the week and then the the no game. Well, there's no way we put down nothing for us to win away the Sunderland, none of us, I wouldn't say.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

No, me and me and you being able to put a draw and then sharp of suddenly to win one nil.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

So for them to win five nil is unbelievable, isn't it? Yeah, and preservedly so. Yeah, after scored, if I can remember right, probably it's far, probably the week before something like against somebody. Yeah, be beep only for one. Do you know what I mean? So I mean they're hitting the farm at the right time now, like for for survival. Goal difference and everything. Yeah, and the Europa League.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

So playing villa, like it's not that's not gonna be a villa to speed themselves.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

No, nothing is a formality. We should look at we say that we nothing's a formality in football. Like you know, sports got a good win away the wars. We'll get to that in a second, just say, but we I think we might well, I even know why whether I down took that. But there's no way I thought uh for us was going to win, and yeah, we could down to uh West Ham, a great win against uh um Everton. So the bomb of the league is really hot and up, it's not over, is it? It's really not over.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

But the one time sports get away and everybody else wins above them.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Yeah, yeah, it's mad, it's typical, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 13:14

Yeah, that's that's the thing, you see. And then look at Arsenal win the one at the Newcastle, and then Arsenal were lucky to win the win. Like, you know, look, it's pressure, I don't get me wrong because everything seems to be falling apart, so it was a big, big win for them putting Newcastle put against them as well, didn't he? He made Arsenal look like the team that arch struck them.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

Yes, he did, and looked he had all the ball and all. I never thought Newcastle were gonna score them. Bar that Visa had a chance for the mad if flipped her into him. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. We said a few times in this. I don't know that Newcastle aren't that great at all, really. Are they sometimes no? Well he beat United this year, so yeah, that sort of started over like both.

SPEAKER_02 13:50

And Gordon was missing, he's missing it because he gets because he creates chances in catching another goal. The two play players in the middle of the park were good for them. Yeah, Gummer Rives and Tanali, I thought were were good in the middle of the park. But you said the four that you grew up near the goal, then he hadn't really got a goal scroll. Like the man that's eight foot eleven, he's that chairman, he's no good at all. He definitely is like Rudy Fuller and still cause he's just fairly awkward looking, isn't he?

SPEAKER_01 14:18

It's mad actually, yeah. Do you know what I mean? So and you miss Isaac's goals, and they do definitely.

SPEAKER_02 14:22

He scored a good goal for Liverpool the weekend. Reacted very quick, didn't he like to touch and then touch in like it was actually really in the pump goal the years?

SPEAKER_01 14:31

No, Ezekiel's got was good to give uh I know give out Arsenal a a good bit, but it was a good good finish, good little set piece. And he could have easy if Ernest could have easy just lumped the ball into the box after the first two choruses now.

SPEAKER_02 14:45

And the fans were and you know what the fans were giving out about a point of gold, just but you stuck with it, it was a plan. Yeah, far the coming out short thought with like in a little whatever way they saw doing that a little circle to say, like the front post before. Yeah, it was all about getting space out at the edge of the box, wasn't it? And then walked the third time and you even they come here and it was a great finish. Yeah, you're known as saves that when you go on. You still have to finish it, don't you?

SPEAKER_01 15:08

That difference makes that's another set piece goal, yeah. I did one in the game. I know United did United are set piece FC as well, but yeah, we're not six years into our um build, you know. But anyway, it did the project on the game, yeah. It's a clean another clean sheet. Yeah, and you got to win as it was important with City not playing, yeah. Like playing play a game before them. Yeah, it's they could have easy drew there and been like, Oh, it's another game in hand City Halb. Yeah, that was important that you got to look if they're gone for the results now, yeah. That's a pick.

SPEAKER_02 15:36

100%. I was like down the bottom that you were said there a second ago, I suppose, when they all won. Sorry, Mendel, as well into the bargain. But Arsenal to Sam, they're playing full and midnight the weekend. Scrappy hits off somebody's nail. If you got a panel in one n will have a scrappy panel just heard a bad decision, you take it this time of the year, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

So but look, it was a good wheel with them. Like you say, under pressure, there could be six plays out of a uh a city before Sunday, you know what I mean? So and then a good wheel for Liverpool because look we said 3-1 against Crystal Palace, but Crystal Palace had plenty of chances and he had a lot of the ball. Yeah, they played well, I think.

SPEAKER_01 16:11

So it's only I thought the before the game is like they might rest players because of Europe, but then you look at the league and they're like, oh, there's still a chance he could have got into Europe. So they played that full team anyway, and he went for it, and Wharton played well in the middle, sort of proved by some of the boys of a 70 million to get a good player, but he's a good left foot player, isn't he, as well? I think I said last week this time the season it's just about results. Liverpool did got the results.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

Look at you were under pressure to win in 2-0, wouldn't he? And then Crystal Palace obviously's gold made in two one, so they would have been just so to get the third goal. I know it's the 90 to win now, but you relax then, don't you? Just so you just do it's like United Dave and last night that we got on to that. Like 2-0 coast, an 87-minute goal and your many answers and you put it in well, but then you're nervous for the rest of the minutes and four ten minutes left.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

Yeah, it was, yeah. I don't know if uh will Salah be finishing up with the season, or what do you think? He went off injured, didn't he? Did he? I think he went off with his hamstring, I think it was, yeah, and he sort of the way he was walking off, it didn't look as if he'd be back, sort of a thing. Like you know, he's kind of waving to the fans and whatnot, so I'm sure the last game of the season at home to Brentford, I'm sure he'd like to be a tough game. Oh look there, but they know eight points ahead of Brighton, is it? Yeah, 58. If we think we're safe and they're only a couple of points behind us, I'm sure they must look at that and think decent chances of Brighton winning four games and just not getting anything is slim enough, so I'd say the top five isn't there. Yeah, set as it is.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

Yeah, I think it's secure. It's all gone for that sixth spot just in case um Aston Villa were to win the Europa League, it's open for another Champions League spot, isn't it? And even if you don't to nothing forward's one and win it, it's the Europa League is massive for some of these things to be playing for just to be a part of the Ural. We'd we'd accept Europa League anytime now this year we're in a prime position to get Champions League, but for the last couple of years that we went in the Champions League, just say of course you'd be taking to the Europa League. We got the Europa League four and we lost, I suppose you couldn't be playing the Champions League. It's a way back into Ural, isn't it? Yeah, and then West Ham is at a good win, like I know they left with Wilson left the late, like we thought that was it, like, but um good win till one when you needed it, especially it would have brought him into the bottom three without that goal, suppose it would have hopped out, wouldn't he?

SPEAKER_01 18:26

Yeah, if he would have flicking between both matches, and um I was the West Ham game was 1-0, so they'd have put the Tottenham match on. And as soon as they put the Tottenham match on, I saw all the fans making noise. All the Spurs fans was like, Oh, that's obviously Everton after scored. So they went 1-1. So I was like, Jesus, here we go again. Yeah, 88 minutes. Because he sort of sat back then, didn't he, in the second half? And I was like, What you look there instead of going with a second, they're just avoiding pressure and never for hoofing the ball into the box and corners and all this sort of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 18:59

No matter what league it is, no matter what game it is, if you're winning one nil or if you're winning two-nil, just say right, just say two-nil, right? Um, and you can see the goal with five minutes ago, it just seems to be that you're under pressure. You don't get the ball and player out like a knee, you just fall back, and it no matter what you're just under pressure from the top league to the bottom league to any league. No one takes a chance. No, sure you don't. You just want to hold on, don't you? And look at this the last is up the weekend, obviously, because there was mid-week matches last week that we went through. Like Sports getting the min away to Walls allowed fourth win of the season of 26. Yeah, and the first win of 2026. Now, look what we all expected and do win. I didn't anyway. Yeah, expected to win. But um Spose a Wolves probably got it, but you've really needed that win, didn't you, Sports? Oh massive big time in.

SPEAKER_01 19:45

Yeah, big time, man. Look, it's hard to have any hope. I was gonna say it's hard to think that this could be a win that'll kick start off them, but you've tough games still, don't you?

SPEAKER_02 19:54

You went through it last week, honored. You've tough games.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

Well they're playing away the villain now this weekend.

SPEAKER_02 19:58

Yeah, but you have to play with the Leeds in other matches as well, down the road as well. Yeah, but Villa don't play well after Europe, so maybe chances on the kit. Possibly, you would like it. And then look at the two FA Cups to say, like Man City, as you said, you knew like bring the big guns on and they were going to win, butn't you like fans? And then I think just Leeds were just a bit nervous. They didn't play their proper game, so they didn't like it like for FA Cup. I think what it got to them was like Chelsea are probably more useful over the last couple of years, but it's like not that actual team. It wasn't a it was a very poor game, wasn't it? Yeah, for a semi-final of an FA Cup, it was very poor, but like the best team probably did win out in the end, like the thing that probably tried to win in the most was Chelsea's out, so it makes you for a good final, just like Chelsea and um Chelsea and Man. And then look at coming we're halfway through to go. At least we're halfway through to get into a match in them uh August against Latin. Yeah, that's it, exactly. They have to stay up now. Me leads to stay up.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

I from what I can remember, I don't think they have a good record on Memley, anyway. You think he's lost the last like three playoff finals? So like it's Mark was texting into me or talking to me, and um he said that they're we ever gonna score a goal in Membley. No, I didn't go back and check, but he doesn't struggle. Yeah, yeah. Yes, and that's like that's what I'm saying, it's a pressure take his word for it. Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

And then look, I even talked about football. I know he asked questions and all, like they used probably like what do you think of the game against Rochdale? And what are you thinking of now? New York. Oh men. Oh my god, it was unbelievable, isn't it? Closely story, like Stephen over to the fat lady thinks, yeah. You scored a goal in 150 million, wherever it was, and he said that's it, and thousands of fans run on. Do you all got to come up and send me a couple of minutes after? It's unbelievable, isn't it? 14 minutes at a time, or something. 14 minutes. But that's brilliant, isn't it? It's I mean that's why people love football so much, isn't it? It's just unpredictable, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 21:48

Yeah, you just copied one years ago at Watford, remember when Troy Dean's got it. Yeah, man, missed a pen, wasn't it? Yeah, if you missed the pen on straight up the other, and he's got a header on from the break, like yeah, yeah. You jumped into the crowd and

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Look it's like United it's look at it's it's like United when they were going for the day was it quick pain's back rangers? Yeah and then they went up and scored two goals in injury time C you know what I mean like we think like oh Queens Park Rangers have to score the injury it's over. Your man scores it's over now, you know what I mean? Like but that's what I'm like you have to play right to the final whistle, don't you? Yeah. You really do.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

You really do, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

Yeah, big time, mate.

SPEAKER_01 22:24

But uh yeah, I suppose so we'll finish out with the last and then yesterday, huh?

SPEAKER_02 22:28

United at Brentford. Well, look, we'll keep that with the end. But do you know what? You know, you played it was actually a very good game.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

Yeah, the fourth half I thought was really end to end, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 22:36

Yeah, because it could have been three all after half an hour.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

Now now it's funny because I think they might in the fourth half had expected more goals, you know what I mean? Like, but then your man didn't even have a shot in a goal, he did it to the Montetta was it up front? Tiago, Tiago, wherever it was up front, and you're saying, How did you not?

SPEAKER_01 22:53

He would have woke up and scoring how did not score.

SPEAKER_02 22:56

How did I even get a shot? How didn't three?

SPEAKER_01 22:58

Not even a goal. It was an entertaining game. I agree, just but the for the first 20 minutes I thought we were really good. But I thought Brownford was a better team overall. But you were so bleeding open, that's what he changed. Yeah, well, I give him this cue, it did work. Yeah, he had to change it. That was the first shot on target in the second half, it's 82nd minute when he scored. But it did the substitution did work, I have to say, but like we're so bleeding open. It was good for the watch, it was a good game, I have to say, but just just I'm just being critical again. It's just sheer football. But we get over the line this side, as I said, this the stage of the game now. Just that's what's up for grabs, go and get it. Look, you could see. I know you said again, we could have been the two or three, nil up.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

Yeah, I get it. And there was a problem elsewhere on the pitch, wasn't it? Because we were only saying before a few came up, Sean and all this right, that um what in mid-fields and all, like in the whole lot of things. And then there you go, there's Main now and and and and and um Casemiro probably had their best games. Yeah, they're very good players.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

Like Bamsgard and Man Jensen played very well as well. Bamsgard's a good player. Yeah, plus the cracker manager scored against United all the time. It's like his fifth goal against United, that's it. Yeah, cracker. Scored earlier in the season as well, remember. I think they are a good team.

SPEAKER_02 24:17

Yeah, and play and play and just always play as the team. Yeah, they just play for each other, don't they?

SPEAKER_01 24:21

They're more than just uh long trolls and corners, isn't it, Brandford? Yes, if you don't watch them and you see how they score some of the goals, you think are they just throw the ball in long trolls in corners and whatnot, but they're not like you said, they play good football and they're all comfortable in the ball. Yeah in the league.

SPEAKER_02 24:42

Like it should have been 23 probably last week. You could have got a couple last night.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

So I watched last night, uh but well but I watched I noticed last night, and you'll know what I mean when I say it. You were saying a second ago about teams not when when it they get like you know, we're tuning up, yeah. The last eight, ten minutes or twelve, whatever injury time was fifteen minutes. Nervy, we're a bit nervy, no. Do you see Casemiro just getting the two free kids? Just getting a free kick. That's managing managing the game now. Yeah, he knew what exactly was doing and he felt the referee, but Collins was or he lowered Collins into it, so I had to say it was uh that was the second one, especially like the fourth one fair enough to just to do it second time. Yeah, that was just taking a piss. Yeah, man didn't get a long throw in all game because he had that's this that's just what will result in now. This bleeding league. As good as Brentford play football, that that's a good example of a team that's playing good. They have played did play good football, they should have scored, but then they had that as well as well. That's no problem. I don't mind that because that's a part of the game. Is that like that's the end?

SPEAKER_00 25:41

Oh, yeah, it's a bit of chance, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

But uh yeah, I thought it was uh I thought Casamira was very good.

SPEAKER_02 25:47

Do you know what it was his best game I think ever for you? But do you know what even without scoring a goal, which was a great header, and then I see McGuire's interview, Arthur McGuire says he did you see the McGuire interview, Arthur? No, he said he says um it's it's it's so it's so dangerous for other teams when we have a corner, he says, because normally the mark me, he said when you have Casamira on in the pitch as well, and he's in the goal, he said he says and he's so good in the air, he said, he said you have two dangerous people, so normally they double up on me, but he can't double up on me because you do watch him as well. He said, and he said he thought I was he himself said I thought I was a good teller the ball. He said, There's a Casemiro's the best head of the ball he's ever seen and never played with. Yeah, well, it's proven, yeah. He's not even that tall.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

No, he actually said he said it's all because he's timing on his leader. I had to know how much space he had, but his miles on there. He just he just torn, yeah, he just went to the back post. Who's marking him?

SPEAKER_02 26:38

That's great, he can't make a room like that. No, but but you look at then you look at look at the stats and look at the merge there, like not even just say because it came up today. Someone was watching or just say he won eleven tackles, he won 16 duels, and he made nine clearances, and he's the only player to do that in 20 seasons, the last 20 seasons in a single match. No one has ever done that in the last 20 seasons in the players in one single match. God, so so no wonder he got you didn't even give him 10 ever then last night. Like you know, doubt you could when he got played the match he deserved it. Actually, the like the goalkeeper played really well last night, I thought again. And Manio had like had a really good game. I believe he's just about to sign his contract as well. Yeah, so which would be good. So so look, it makes us a bit more relaxed now that you have so many points ahead now, they shook your shoulders. I'd take the win hundred cents. Yeah, and then a couple of players next year, which we'll probably win that as well as as we go along, just air but a good like but they made a fast start, which we were always giving out on.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

Well that should have scored. Jesus Christ, I don't know what I just watched it on my phone and and he missed that all his course, and I was like, No wonder he's dropped and he should not be playing. Like, John my head, right foot, left foot, wherever. That's he should be rifling it into the back, didn't he?

SPEAKER_02 27:47

Yeah, it should have been it should have been like Sesco when Sesco got his hands to cut off and then he buried it. He should have just buried it just like then it then it then that's you had to take the wind out of his tail as well, because then he was giving the ball away, then he got his head at the back post, then he was offside twice. So it wasn't surprising took him off a half time. No, yeah, some substitution, I give him that. Yeah, I said I bring him a half time. I said, you know what I said you need to make a change, I said you need to get Amado off.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

I said I said he's almost an obvious one, but he hasn't we in previous podcasts. We haven't been we've been giving out about him, yeah, not making the obvious change, and a half time, and it worked.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

We're giving out these late substitutions at 70 minutes, 70, and we're saying, Well, you doing so late in the half time.

SPEAKER_01 28:27

Yeah, man, he's looking at himself and they might give out whatever, but look at it's the right decision. Yeah, we can't argue a fact like no, so we learn from it.

SPEAKER_02 28:35

He's a winger, yeah. His job is to get goals or create goals. Now he's at the playing his last 12 games without a goal and down and assist. That's brilliant. So so he has to take a look in the middle and say, I need to do better than this, and he deserved to be took off last night.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

Well, if Cunny has fit, you won't start against Liverpool, you shouldn't start against Liverpool. No, Bremo's setting the water light, but no, he's not getting a chance to start getting. That's it, yeah. No, yeah, it was a good game alright in Fairness. And like you said, we'll give Carig his credit because he did change it, and Brandford just couldn't get through really in the second half. He managed the game, so he put out the cracker in the end. Like, you know, how ironic was it that we played three at the back then by the nice event, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

Yeah, but then the midfield you'd have two were at the token a little bit, and there was just no space. Then like the had you had everybody behind the ball, didn't he? Like even Sepska worked really hard last time, but they lost the ball. He sort of got the Brunner looked at as he went down the game in the second half because he wasn't that open math forced hard to say. So we had to do a proper job, you had to do a different job, but he still got his assist, didn't he? And then he was on 19, he has to break the record, and he just pretty good in those situations, didn't he?

SPEAKER_01 29:40

That looks that looks way easier than it is playing football at any level. Waiting and waiting, and then you're playing with a clever player, obviously, Cisco held it, he's patient, he said on side, and as soon as the defender bit, boom, put him in. And but he took a really good touch. Yeah, that's very that was confidence. And you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:57

I thought the fans were really good last night as well because I thought um they always give a shout out to fans, or the United fans are great as they but I thought when you were under the corset at the end and they were singing and cheating on come on, so you really tried to drive you got behind them and dropped the one a little bit, didn't you? Like so and you can't, and that's gars, it goes to Carigos like you can't argue with his results, can you?

SPEAKER_01 30:18

Oh very just loved the performance as the match behind maybe on at this end of the season being too picky, am I? I don't know, it's been like that for a while, hasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 30:26

Look at Camer like he's getting results without getting grape. Now last night's actually again was a good game, like um against a good team, but we still still think we need something else at the bottom at the end there. I think 100% that won't change. Okay, we mean all the rest of the game. That's what I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

I won't change their mind. That's just me, you know.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

Yeah, well no, we're the same. We wouldn't change your mind because of the results. I think next year would be a big, big job for a foreman. He might be experienced enough because you'd be the proper head coach, he's not a manager, not managers anymore, already. Just like you've seen this story before. Yeah, you did then you're talking about selling players, buying players, dropping players.

SPEAKER_01 30:58

But I think he'd be easy to run in the whole club nearly. Easy touch, really, in a way. I think he'd just be bullied into decisions and all that's just the look I have on. Yeah, I don't know. He's the cheaper option. Maybe I could be wrong. And if you do keep him, we have to give him a chance, as I will say. I won't be at him from day one if he does get it. Like, but I hope we are wrong if they keep him. Oh, 100%. I hope we're all right.

SPEAKER_02 31:17

No matter who you're not getting in, right? As regards the players, as regards to um the manager, we'll always back them. We can only back them so far till it falls apart, and if you don't think they're good enough, then we'll speak about them and say you're lucky, not good enough. That's it. But we'll back them whoever the whoever's going to get the job, whoever comes in, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Er, yeah. So before you get on to Sean's questions, I'm gonna get on to the questions a bit earlier this week because I was just gonna have a quick look to the United Liverpool game then later on. Um our predictions for the weekend. So Sean got five points, Villa got six points, and I got seven points. So Sean is winning on 175, and probably will win. So we're saying we need to come up with something for the loser. Whoever comes last, people can write in to see what we have to give him for winning. Crispy green notes, no brown notes.$1. Oh, very good, very good. Yeah, so you're on 175. Final, you're second on 155, and then I'm told on 154. So there's one point in it going into the last four games.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

So it's good, isn't it? Maybe that's interesting for the few.

SPEAKER_01 32:34

That's going out to the wire, yeah. So uh yeah, again for people that are new, our predictions we stick them up on Instagram every week, and if you get a correct result right, you get a point, and if you get a correct score right, you get two points. So let's see how we grow on.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

Come here, we go again this week, and that's it. There's a homework, yeah. Well, come here four weeks. Look at nothing after me right five with them. Yeah, it's hard to get predict results, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, none of them are straightforward, did he? No, not really, you know.

SPEAKER_01 33:04

The fairness, we all got the United games bot on, we all said 2-1, so a few more of them and we'd be laughing this.

SPEAKER_02 33:10

We might catch up on Sean.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

Yeah, even though Sean had to just get nothing right completely. But uh yeah, it's like I said, we move on to the questions now, and then we'll have a quick look at the United Liverpool game then. Before we finish, where it's the biggest game of the season, so we have to go. Oh, yeah, definitely 100% towards that. So Sean, yeah, we got a couple of questions out of the out of the hat there or something. Thanks for everybody who's sending them in. This was the one that was sent in those a couple of weeks ago, and this week, um uh Jay sent it last week, and Steven said it this week, so I'll just call it out. Um seems to be a common question for some reasons. Um who's the best goalkeeper in the league at the moment?

SPEAKER_02 33:52

I go with Donald Runner. I'd say Martine is off you think.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

I don't know, I think I'm not sure. Well Alison is yeah, I keep forgetting he's injured, isn't he? So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

I'd pick Allison if he was fit for yeah. Donald Ray is a good goalkeeper, doesn't he? I know he I know he's ripping the Arsenal. No, he's a good goalkeeper. I think he is probably if Alison was at fit. Let's say you had to pick Alison as fittest and Raya's fittest. Yeah, I'd pick Alison 100%. Yeah, yeah. Um Lammond's is too early to tell, but he's had with a nice bread, good, red and fresh air, so I'll go with Raya of Arsenal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I think the head like people just slate the head or say because it's on the ball and whatnot, but maybe it's an old-fashioned thing, but I like the goalkeepers that can actually save stuff like that. Yeah, that's why I gravitate towards Allison and Donald Rummel, who alright he might not be brilliant on the ball, but they can have games like they're just gonna save everything.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

Yeah, but Martin is a bit like that, isn't he? Yeah, exactly. He can have some, he can take some great. That's why he picked him. He could that there you go, there's three of us, and we can we gotta have a difference of opinion. But that's that's that's what the world is made of, opinions, isn't it? That's why it's so good.

SPEAKER_01 35:05

Yeah, but he's a good time, waste, number. He's a good keeper. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nothing like that.

SPEAKER_02 35:12

It was a good moment there picking fans like when they brought him in. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Who was he playing for? Brentford friend.

SPEAKER_01 35:20

Yeah, that's that's that's fair and fair play from me. That's what I'm saying. The team that they all the players that left.

SPEAKER_00 35:30

65 million? Yeah, yeah. How would he survive, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 35:33

The last three years, last isn't the last three seasons, they've had yeah, a striker score on 20 league goals, isn't it? Yeah, Tiago and Nbemo, it's mad, isn't it? I'm sure Visa had close enough to that last year as well. Like, yeah, yeah. They had Ollie Watkins before him as well in the championship. So these recruitment people like these in. Like, yeah. Thanks for that, Les. Um Graeme wrote into us and said, What's your thoughts on the hair pull from Calibert Leon on Kucarella? Did you say? In the FA Cup?

SPEAKER_00 36:07

Yeah. That's just all stupid.

SPEAKER_02 36:10

I don't think it does nothing. Do you know what? See, the way I played football years ago, we can't think of that like that. Swinging people around. There's no swinging people around with them. I didn't think any of them were like going back as even from Martinez, I didn't think it was red cars. So then you wouldn't have thought that was red cartoon. And there was one a couple of months ago came or something. Yeah, he did.

SPEAKER_01 36:28

And then the last big as hell of Bassie, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 36:30

Never give anything. I just think it's it's a tackling game, it's a contact sport. If you hit somebody in the head, just saying it's an accident. Do you go overboard, right? I think with it. I didn't I didn't think much of it to be honest, and I didn't think any of them were I didn't think any of them were any of them are red cards. But obviously, just people give now everybody because uh obviously Martinez got sent off and then he was the player he pulled his head and he pulled somebody else's head and he gets away with it. So once you're the perpetrator and the other you're a victim. So where do you go between the two of them? You know what I mean? Like I think that's the problem, right? It's like that's my problem, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 37:01

It's like if you're gonna be consistent, that's what I'm saying, consistent point. Isn't it the either should have turned around and said no Martinez's wasn't and give like stop the ban and then the rest of them, if like that, none of them got punished or anything, fair enough, or else send them all off. But then we don't want to see them all sent off because they're not red cards at the same time. So then on the one hand, you're like right, Martinez getting sent off and the backlash from it. Do you sort of do we have to take that as if then the rest of them are yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

It's a lesson for all the other referees now. Don't be sending red, that's not a red card, I mean, and wait just fall victim that we lost.

SPEAKER_01 37:39

Just the consistency again. Yeah, like you Martinez grabbed them a little bit harder, people are saying. No, it wasn't malicious. That makes sense, anyway. No, but uh, but the intent is still there, so that's the rules. It shouldn't be just a red card, yeah. But then they go to listen to other ex-players and all saying, Well, but that would have ruined the game and all, but that's doesn't matter, you're not gods the if that's the rule, then that's the rule. Yeah, that's the rule for Martinez, and it's the rule for if you're breaking the rule, you're breaking the rule. Like, well, I don't get it. Yeah, it's funny because you're there the the referee there the referee the match. I know you can be a good referee and let things go and yeah, things like that, but like you join the game, you have to use it. If it's supposed to be black and white and then you just pick it, yeah. I know it drives me mad.

SPEAKER_02 38:21

So you know what they got that game when you're talking about that little poll just say, right? And then you were talking about it after the game. I don't know whether it was the next day or not, but I know I read something that some referee gave him an insight into the match between Chelsea and Leeds in 1970 when he played Michael, yeah, Michael Albert, wasn't it? There it was, and he said he was managed if he was the referee in the game in 1970 and was getting played it he'd show 11 red cats. That's how that's how the game's actually changed so much.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

There are a bunch of elements, haven't you? No, like just hundreds of millions watching me and gonna jump in the ground with someone pulls a strand of me here.

SPEAKER_02 38:59

But I thought it was a doesn't even hit you at all and pretends to hit you, and they jump in the ground.

SPEAKER_01 39:02

You've been watching even like I'm trying to pick a year, let's say 2002, even the World Cup after that year, like that that era up to like 2012, even for I don't know. That's when United's more or less, but it's football's changed. Yeah, it almost feels like it's changed since Vargas. Well, definitely changes cold, but you don't see people biting people anymore, like what's the like no? No, but since Virgus left, I don't know. Yeah, you know, a few years after that, maybe, but back in the day, like I just said there, that that was a bit crazy. It was two footers going in, yeah, like Vinnie Jones. How the hell he leaves some of the lands in it anyway. But they needed to find a medium balance between them, I think. And around 2000 to 2012, or that I thought that was the best football. Hard challenges, good tackles, but a good, very good referees.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Yeah, let things go.

SPEAKER_01 39:50

You know, like some odd dodgy decisions here and there, like oh my Rooney's dive against Saul Campbell and all you know that, but like that wasn't every game, that's just one example. I think that now it's too soft. Back then it was too much. Yeah, that that was in the middle. Like, why can't they just go? Why did they want to change it? Far and everything you're right. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:07

But look at Camera, if that's the way the football is now, and you can get a little shove on the back, and you can go down then and you get your free kick, and people know that, and they're doing it to their advantage. Well, look at if they do it. Look at Casere last night. You should say he did it twice, got two free kicks, got the ball, you won us the game. And um that's look at there's nothing you can do. If that's the way the game is, and that's the way the referees are refereeing the games, then well, then you have to just play to that, and that's there is that's the the the the bodies make the rules and then on, and that's it. If that's the rules try and manipulate it through your own, yeah, yeah. That's what you have to do.

SPEAKER_01 40:37

Everybody else does it, doesn't he? So uh yeah, thanks for that, uh talking point. Um Paul uh sent this in to us. Yeah, he said, what realistic upgrades do Manchester United need uh to make to compete for the title next season?

SPEAKER_02 40:57

Jesus swap them Man City's team and call them in the wood of realistic title challenges next year. You know, I'm saying that there are only 12 points behind, and you would think the points that you dropped are stupid, but it was a poor league this year. No one's gonna say that's gonna be a poor game next year. Yeah, you know what I mean, like so um realistically, like well realistically, I don't think we're short what he does this year. You have to go out and get a few midfielders. That's the most important position everyone needs. We can work from there onwards. If you think they were going to get just say if Paul with the turnaround says if it's your friend Paul, it's a different Paul. Would they say realistically, can you name five players may unite a position they need to get? Because realistically you probably need five. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like, so realistically, they need a couple of midfielders. I think they need the left winger, definitely as an attacking left winger. They need another centre half because all their centre halves are prone to injuries, just say right, and you need a goalkeeper because the other two backup goalkeepers are going to be gone. Yeah, so that's five. I don't need to say that even though we do, because then when you're taking as a left winger to balance the team, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, that you could actually, if Sesco was playing or he was a third, you could switch Cunya in there, you could put Byron there, and all they wouldn't buy for that, but you can't go and get six players, seven players. So you have to be realistic and say, like, if you've got five players, where would you get them? Where would you go, Connor? Like, there's not more than the answer, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 42:18

Yeah, but look again, like you said, we we each go like realistically need a backup keeper, two full backs, the centre half, probably three midfielders. Because if Rugate and Casemiro, we need another midfielder now this season. So them two are gonna be gone. So you're gonna get two in to replace them, so you needed another left, so that's three. Like you said, a backup sort of experienced striker and a left winger, so that's that's probably gonna be a line of ten players to say, but they're not gonna get that. So it it'll be we'll realize quickly what sort of summer we'll have with United. So whether they go out and you get to say it's an essenti for free, and then maybe their whole thing is oh, maybe we'll bring in your man Gabriel, maybe he can be our new left winger as a kid, or your man Obi, and we all have to buy two positions, or maybe it'll be a cheaper summer fun. Or else he'd wall out and they'd be like, no, get two big midfielders for 70 million each. Go out and buy a center half, a left whack, a left winger, and then if you can get an experienced goalkeeper and striker, all well and good.

SPEAKER_00 43:16

But you need to do it.

SPEAKER_01 43:18

But usually they need to do it. Maybe they would I don't think they will though. I think they're gonna cheap as they're gonna do it uh the cheap ass way. That's what I think they're gonna do. To answer the question, what they need to do, and try and be realistic about it. I said you can't go out and buy ten players. If they put good money into the centre of midfield and bought uh the top target we talked about before, two of them at least, and then uh a Gomez, let's say someone who's a bit cheaper, let's call it um, or a Goretzka or something. I know it's going against their ethos on over 26, over 26. But what what what evidence is that based off? It hasn't worked for anybody else. But anyway, and I think if you bought Harry Kane up front, yeah, yeah, and uh you need to if you The spine I think it's none of us and the half put 200 million into your midfield and get Harry Kane. I think that could be realistic.

SPEAKER_02 44:08

I think that could be realistic. But I think Harry Kane is talented by no contract. Aye, well he'll never come. Yeah, but no, if if but but I think as an example, as a as a as an as a Connell always says, even well beck or something like that, just as an experience center forward to throw them there to say, but what we it has to be a midfield, has to be the first priority, and then walk around.

SPEAKER_01 44:28

I think Ugarte is nearly compared to be gone. So he's a probably good professional on, he's be playing somewhere else, not for Mayo. Wish him the best of luck. That me that leaves us with May now. That's it. That's it. That's all. And you can fight on all to play potentially 60 odd games a year. No, that's not saying we need three midfielders at least. He's probably only getting injuries as well. Oh, you know, you never get injuries. Yeah. Talking to Trevor actually about them we were having a horror match yesterday. Just if you listen to Trevor, you're right. What you're saying, like how would he get an injured one game a week? I know Cunny and uh but mainly as you said, Yorrow and it's good to see him back actually. But where are you just getting these injuries from? Yeah, it's unbelievable, isn't it? This end of the year you might be like, I think we've got one eye on the World Cup, like yeah, don't know. Well, look at it. But anyway, that's well it goes to be realistic. Yeah. Be realistic. We're not gonna be anywhere near the title next year, but we just want to get back in the top four. But that's what I think. If you need it to go and get a have a go at the title, that's the days of the players the money to put in, but they will not do that. The Glazers. Look, with the good summer, this summer season.

SPEAKER_02 45:34

The yes won't do it. Just transfer. Well, look at this transfer season was was was a good one, I thought. Um with the goalkeeper and the couple of the we we were always bally raging that he didn't score enough over the last couple of years, and he sorted that out. So now it's the midfield, so you have to have a midfield plan. Do you have to have a midfield plan?

SPEAKER_01 45:51

Well, yeah, right, they put 200 million give or take, yeah, into the into the attack, the attack, more or less. Yeah, and it's worked. Yeah, and they give it up, but they're all doing well together. Yeah, and Bruno's thriving off it.

SPEAKER_02 46:03

Okay, come here. 11 million a half wall as a football football fan. It doesn't have to be good. Any pundits, any Man City fan, any anybody fan, Liverpool, any gunter fans, it doesn't matter who is fan. If you're watching my United or whatever, you know the problem is in the middle of the park. Yeah, yeah. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 46:18

You need to put that money in the middle of parking, right? That's it. Simple as that, yeah. So yeah, that's brilliant. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for writing that in plenty of uh transfer talk through in the summer, anyway. Yeah, yeah, I'll look at your bump.

SPEAKER_02 46:29

Well, we're probably talking about the hundreds of players because that's how we're always realistic. He's there, he's there, United are looking at this now. I think they'd be using United to book the prices up for other people.

SPEAKER_01 46:40

You might sign Australia, we might get LinkedIn on Ramano's playing. But um so as this was sent in by Ed, um what did a panel uh make of Sir Jim's interview with Carrick?

SPEAKER_02 46:58

Well, you come out like you we can't make them waiting behind closed doors. It's obviously just about my united in the future and and the manager, and and it's coming out like that there's no decision made yet. That's as much as I was like looking into it because like you can't really say anything more about it than that, can you?

SPEAKER_01 47:17

So maybe that was just his interview. Maybe they're thinking right we'll leave that on the table and then we can sus out from there or candidates and whatnot. But I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. Because they they should have interviewed him and it's out there public now. So if that means a couple of things. They're interviewing managers, which they should be doing, but I just thought I was gonna give it to him straight away, which he's still in my. Yeah. But at least if they've interviewed him and it made public knowledge that they sat down face to face and had a good yap, and they hire them, then it's all on them if it goes wrong.

SPEAKER_02 47:51

Yeah, well, look at that.

SPEAKER_01 47:52

They're gonna be held accountable for this. Well, you have to be because if they're gonna get wrong, but they're gonna get backlash. So that's not just go behind clothes or carry-cast a job. This is an interview process. Hopefully interview others. If they don't, then they thought he was the best man in the job. If it goes pear-shape, which I hope it doesn't, then it's all on them.

SPEAKER_02 48:10

Yeah, we'll be on Wilcox and all of it. Like if he'll have something to say, but Will Cox is the man, he's the main fan of there, like, and he's that's a positive, I think.

SPEAKER_01 48:17

Yeah, so we can hold him accountable if it goes wrong. But if we don't, then I'll I'll like pat them on the back and say, Well, no, he's actually seen out the things that well he didn't see. Yeah, he's seeing what's going on every day of the week in in Carrington now, like no matter who they get. Yeah, improve, improve, yeah, improved. You know, it's yeah, it's it's the toughest that and I always say I'm never um nothing's gonna change your mind. The Manchester United managerial job, especially since I've very, and the Real Madrid job is the hardest and two hardest in the world football, the two biggest clubs, simple as that.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

That's it, yeah, right. And that and no matter who gets the job, even if he gives us the if even if just say uh Lewis and Rick was the leave PSG after winning the Champions League twice around so if they go for a challenge and I go to Manchester, like they say he'd be under pressure. And the thing about it is right, he'll have experience now, but it's Manchester United, but if it goes wrong, it'll be all on Milcox and Ratcliffe. Um, because the other people are going to be picking their manager, whoever it is, it doesn't matter, you have to get it right.

SPEAKER_01 49:17

And if they do win a couple of trophies, then pick them up well on that. Yeah, it's important as well. Like, obviously, just said you did interview, but just say like from us looking from the outside in, you think, are we getting Rikay or Nagel? They could interview them too, and like you've walked the people, everybody has away a bit like, hmm, that's a bit I don't know what way they what way they talking or maybe maybe it just wouldn't might not fit. So maybe if you interviewed Carig, it might have been the worst interview in the world, or it might be the best interview in the world, you never know. So it's what it is, I think.

SPEAKER_02 49:49

Look at me, they're picking it, they know more to me now, and we're only guessing, and they see what's going on every day of the week, and you know the comrade with the player now with him, think we just think he's a great fit. Yeah, and as you say, you can't argue with the results.

SPEAKER_01 50:02

No, no, exactly. Um right, so yeah, thanks for that. Um next one, this was from Lee. That's how it's thinking spelled in Irish, L-E-I-G-H- How are you Lee? Thanks for uh writing into us there. So Real Madrid might be bringing back Mourinho, that's the Mourinho question. Um Real Madrid might be bringing back Mourinho. Uh would you just take him back at Manchester United?

SPEAKER_02 50:29

Oh god. That's a tough question, do you know what I mean? Like, because he's definitely proved he's a good manager, he's really, really experienced. You know, so but it's hard to know, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 50:40

It's hard to know because some apartment thinks that's football might actually suit nowadays. Yeah, like yeah, he bought and loaded like six horse into United. He's a winner. Looking at it thinking like now when he forced him in he had Pogbutt and Ibrahemich and Daly and all these Filaney big lads, like geez, United to do half decent nowadays if you had a big, strong, solid team like that.

SPEAKER_02 51:03

Why take him back? Only because he still goes down he's tons of experience, and he's just a serial winner, isn't he? And he wouldn't he wouldn't learn so much over the last just say ten years I just say not with United anymore. I don't know when he left United or say just throwing out ten years or say, right? Um he's ten years more experience around all around Europe. So like like I would definitely take him back. Yeah, I would definitely think he'd still attract good, good players. He has the gift of the gap, I think.

SPEAKER_01 51:30

Yeah, I'd probably say no overall just because it's I probably just feel like it is going backwards. Like it's a bit like when you were linked with Soul Chair with the interim sort of job. It's like you've tried that sort of just leave a sort of kind of a thing, you know what I mean. And then you know he's only gonna be there actually three years or something.

SPEAKER_02 51:49

Most managers only last that long now, don't you?

SPEAKER_01 51:51

Realistically like so yeah, but there is a chance to get someone in there or six uh like that's there by years, Pep Guardiola is there by yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:59

Well he's gonna have to settle down somewhere for years, I think. I don't think he will. I think he will. He'll have to. If he gets if he's back successful at Madrid, I'd say he'll stay with him.

SPEAKER_01 52:09

But that's what one thing I would say. Like if Madrid are looking at him, they they haven't fell off. I know they're not the same team saying anywhere, but they hadn't fall as far as far as United. And they're looking at Mourinho. I don't know. In life as well, like don't go back down that road. But I can understand the experience and the things and has he changed, but is he he's at the latter end of his career now, isn't he? He's he's not gonna get any better, is he? Is he I don't know. Maybe maybe but so I can see from both sides of the thing.

SPEAKER_02 52:41

As you say, he might as you say the way the football is now.

SPEAKER_01 52:44

Personally, I wouldn't no, I said maybe Madrid might fall forward a down at the game. Maybe it could be a complete disaster in six months' time just get attacked. No, but I don't think it's so much a risk though. Is he gonna get for course there if he is he gonna get a backbell in Vinicius to defend and all the sort of stuff? Like he'd have to kick out the biggest. Is he gonna drop them? Because, like, I don't know, will he be able to drop them after then spending so much money on all these big fancy players?

SPEAKER_02 53:10

Well Mourinho might think he's the character to be able to do it. Yeah, wouldn't get many managers in the world would be able to do it, but I'm thinking might be one.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

I almost forgot he was still around, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:19

Yeah, you know what I mean? He could be one manager like Angelotti and all, like he wouldn't take any mess now. I know he's obviously with Brazil, just say like, but um big characters like there's not many of them big characters left, like Mourinho's one, just say right. Um Angelotti is another one, just say right. David Miles is a big one, but just say, but that's in England, he's there that long, just say right. But um the likes of Lewis Enrique and all are only starting off. Guardiola is there, like he'd be like he'd drop you like a light as well to say right.

SPEAKER_01 53:46

Um, you got rid of Messi and Bappi and A Martin, the SG and this Enrique.

SPEAKER_02 53:53

Yeah, well, look at that like the best thing evidence. You need to make big decisions, and that's it. Like, so you need that's where you need the manager now that's that's that's has the license to be able to do that, and they're up, they're not even calling the manager anymore now. Like, so whoever you get in now, like the head coaches, and it's the board that's buying the players, the broader Will Cox is trying to even define what way they're playing on and the systems and all. If you bring in the manager or head coach, you leave that to him. You're not experienced enough on that. That's what you're the director of football, and you're not the manager to the team.

SPEAKER_01 54:25

That's the problem with him, isn't it? You know what I mean? To answer the question, I wouldn't bring it in, but I'd like to see him go back to Real Madrid just to see how it panned out. Yeah, through a way. Yeah, I'd like to see that. Yeah, thanks for loading that in, Lee. Thanks very much. Um listener there. Uh so so yeah, how do we think the Liverpool game will play out from David?

unknown 54:44

Right.

SPEAKER_01 54:45

I can take it on to our yeah, it'll take us on to our nicely into our next point. I didn't read your agenda this week, but I didn't even put one in. No, no, that's it. Uh yeah, United Liverpool. Like they don't usually preview the games, but this is the biggest game of the season, isn't it? United Liverpool, so yeah, yeah, at home.

SPEAKER_02 55:03

There's less pressure on United as well, by the way. And I don't think there's a lot of pressure, but it's just the pressure of the game. Yeah. United last night winning the winning the game, like give some comfortable two points over four games, like, but you know what you didn't give more points at the game in the Champions League because it's the Brighton are not going to win every game just alright. But it's just the fact of it's a historic game, it's the biggest biggest game of the globe. And I tell you, like, after like United losing to Leeds, like probably the second biggest one, because I know the city and all there, but like, and it's a derby, but Leeds and Liverpool are always two big huge games for United. And losing an old Trafford against Leeds, and now they bounce back, obviously, and got a couple of wins. Liverpool is a massive game, yeah, yeah. Massive game that you could should be able to get and enjoy. No mistake, but a little bit less pressure.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

Yeah, yeah. That was a friendly, I wouldn't want them. I think like you I'd be nervous about the adrenaline and rush.

SPEAKER_02 55:56

It's just a historic game that it is, and everybody around Manchester now, and all the players, but nowhere remains to the fans, it's as simple as that. Casamira certainly will, anyway. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:04

He's playing now, I think he will he's playing for the badge big time. He always has been, but you get you can see it, he's even very complimentary towards the all the fans. He will miss us, I suppose, in general.

SPEAKER_02 56:14

Like so I say you were talking about Casemira now with the fans in there, comment Sean. You just said it there a second ago. He played and won a lot with Real Madrid, but Real Madrid fans will criticise you if you're not doing well and put you down and buoyant. Yeah, buoy it and all. The Manchester United fans never did that, and they never they're the best fans around, and you just support you when you go away at the games and all, and you lose and all you can go over and and you and you support you just like Casamere will have learned a lesson about proper fans in the last four years.

SPEAKER_01 56:42

I mean, like I'd say you would have obviously enjoyed the trophies at Real Madrid and the finals and the moments like that, but playing in front of them fans, I think that's probably judging by what I'm reading if I'm right, he's that's his that's his favourite club. Your favourite place to play, you know. He'd probably look to play.

SPEAKER_02 56:58

I'd say he'd come out and say something like that again in a round a bit way. I'd say he'd love him to play with Alex Fergus and with Ray King and all that group. I would have him played the other when he was in his prime and his prime.

SPEAKER_01 57:07

Yeah, yeah. But uh yeah, back to the match. What do we think? How do we think it's gonna go? I think we're gonna win. I'll tell you why, because we've Liverpool are playing very well. That's just three, that's nine points and nine now, isn't it? For who? Liverpool. Yeah, but they're not playing great still. No, no, I'm just not we've we've beaten all the big teams this year. Yeah, yeah. Almost home, anyway. If you think about it, well, bear at the start of the season it should have been Arsenal. Man City beat us here 3-0 promptly enough. At the start of it. At the start of the season, yeah, it was a good obviously hectic in Anfield. That was a win in Anfield, it's doesn't happen too often, that was good. Uh beat Chelsea twice, if you want to call them big. Yeah, be Phil at home.

SPEAKER_02 57:44

Beat Phillip, beat Arsenal away. Beat Brentford, and not you're saying it just say, but you look even says Cardi came in. Carrick played four by ten and he won nine, didn't he?

SPEAKER_01 57:51

And through two and last year. Depending on the I don't think it'll change it much, but Brighton, if they draw to Newcastle, Newcastle, that's it then, isn't it? Didn't the Champions League so I think technically the performance could still get to 61 points or something somewhere close to United. Well, I hope so. And the reason why it is it means a little glimpse of add it, but Brighton did just let it just go and win. Yeah, go and be. I think we will win. I think it'd be good, it won't be easy. No, never easy. I think it'll be both teams to score, but I think it could be like a 2-1 or a 3-1, maybe. That's very important. I don't know. They could go 2-0 up or something, win three-two. I think it could be a mad game. Yeah, but I think both teams could try and go out and enjoy it. Like, and there's a lot at stake for them as well. They need to get Champions League football. So yeah, and they have as I said, Isaac took a good goal today. Um because that's the only striker they thought have now, isn't it? Yeah, but they were still a bit you want three-winning. They're not great at the background, but they still have players who will hurt you.

SPEAKER_02 58:47

Yeah, I think with midfield now. But look at Camera, I looked at them against Crystal Palace, and Crystal Palace really put up against them. Liverpool were winning 2-0 to say, comfortable enough, but and Palace lost a few chances now and on. Then they scored a goal and they were under pressure, and obviously they scored a goal in the 90s and meant to make a 3-1. But overall, the game. I thought Crystal Palace were unlucky enough to get out of the game. I think United will beat them. Now they'll never be like you say, you'd love to beat them comfortable enough, but I think United will beat them 2-1 or 3-1. I think I think United will beat them because I think United attack all the time. I think United will play better than them. Yeah. Like now I know like we do say right in big games with this and farm goes out the window. Yeah, it doesn't make any difference. But I just think United are in a better place at the moment than Liverpool.

SPEAKER_00 59:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:36

I'd like a hat trick, I think they'd win as well. Um I think like you said, I think he can get at Liverpool. Like the crowd would be up for it. Yeah, they should be. Like Sasco, definitely Sasco should be just stick with Kanate because he's just I don't know what's going on with him this year. Yeah, maybe. Maybe he was close to Jotter or something, or I don't know, maybe that's in his head, and maybe it's just completely gone or I don't know. For the season, yeah. But uh he definitely should be sticking on him and winning all flick-ons, and the likes of him Bremo McKeon should be just gambling in behind all the time, constantly. Every time the guard goes up, just running behind because he's still got him cracking. Fernandez will get loads of space, like you said. Palace got loads of space in the in between the midfield and the fencer today. So Fernandez should get loads of space.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:23

Best player of the league this year, he is. Now we're my United fans, but so he definitely gets space against Liverpool the way they play.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:29

Yeah, yeah. So then it's just it's like you said, it's just stopping their players. Like Gagpo just show him down the line because all he wants to do is cut inside. He likes a goal against United.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:38

I think the evening cutting cuts into your right all the time, so you should know that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:43

Cas Murder just needs to smack him straight away and he'll be out of the game. Oh, he's actually just mark him close. Yeah, don't get it, don't let him do anything. If Salah is playing, bully him. Yeah, yeah. If Shaw is back, I think he'd be able to match him, like John I mean, just say. So then realistically, you kind of have to look out for Sabozley shooting from about 20 yards. He's our best player, he's been the best player, like John I mean, so just don't be giving away any stupid free kicks around, because they are dangerous from corners as well. Yeah, Van Dulley's dangerous. Yeah, all big time. Yeah, well, I think it is going to be a good game.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:15

Definitely have to start playing the goals. Looking forward to like with the position we are in the league, the fans, I really am.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:21

If you can't go right in this game, like if you wake up on a Sunday morning, you surely be counting down the club. Like we will be nervously counting down till half three. But if you're the player, you have to be looking at this game thinking, oh lovely, you can't wait with this force touch, force tackle, like look, get the crowd up all this.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:37

Look, you'll never look you now what you'll have butterflies in your stomach. We all played football, we all played the big game, just say, right? Like the biggest game I obviously played in would have been the intermediate cup final, right? When we won it down in I'm not saying that, we won it down in Everton, like in Arc to say, um, we played a couple of quarterfinals at the FEI um with Glenn Moore and that, and it doesn't matter what it is, right? You lost a butterflies in your stomach, you might want to go to the toilet one or two times before just saying it to say, right? But as soon as you pass the weight line and the referee blows that whistle, if there's a hundred thousand, if there's a million people watching the match, if there's no much on the match, you're just focused only on the match. And I think when the whistle blows, my unit I think it'll just be well up for a team now this week. Should be, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:20

Big difference for me. We were looking at it in what was it, October, wasn't it? Look at come here. That's Liverpool maybe more nervous now. Yeah, exactly. Just bragging rights as well. Like I still think the little guy got Champions League. I don't think who wins, it might make it too much of a difference to us, but it's the brag and rights, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:37

Look, Carlos said a few minutes ago, didn't you? Eight points is up in the fifth place to the to the to the sixth place, whatever it is. I can't see that change in the four games.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:45

No, being Sunny Poland watching the lads, you'll be hoping lashed on with rain here, I guess. 25 degrees.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:55

It's snowing, we're going to give a volunteer. Okay, we're not gonna be watching the pack, so we'd be in.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:02

We'd be in hours watching it somewhere. Fuzzy drinks, yeah. Look, I'm sure if you're not a deal lows, I'm sure we've plenty of live listeners, so we'll be really tall about it. I might come on and stop now if the 50 loos, but I'm gonna reciprocate that now. 50 win, you know. That's what it's all about then.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:21

Okay, if there's no rivalry in football, it'd be a boring. This is what makes it.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:25

Yeah, I mean like fans. People that are Liverpool fans, or even other fans, DM us and let us know what you think the result is gonna be. Right, so that's it then in it for episode 46. So again, thanks for everyone that's listened. If it's your fourth time or if it's your 36th time, we're coming back. Yeah, hopefully 46th, yeah. And we'll be back next week and Jesus. Hopefully United beat Liverpool and hopefully on the head of you on our predictions table. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:53

And look, we know where the two Champions League matches are beat, we'll be better to talk about them as well because we know where the be more exciting then and United will be in the Champions League then. And I'll be delighted the world championship is over now because I'm not watching anymore now. That's the soil and has gone out. And uh, yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:10

So we'll be back talking everybody next week and that's it, another quick week.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:14

Exactly, yeah. Thanks for all the interactions, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:17

Thanks for all the questions and thanks for listening. Yeah, thanks very much.