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Episode 40 - Premier League Predictions Review

• Vincent, Sean, Conor • Season 1 • Episode 40

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This week we took a look at the news from the football world which included more managerial changes. We added our new Transfer News segment which we will be doing throughout the summer. We had a brief look back at the final games of the premier league season before reviewing our predictions from the beginning of the season to see how many we got correct. Then as always we finished with our listeners questions.

SPEAKER_01

Welcome back everyone, episode forty. Already, lads in the sideline podcast. It's me, Connor, joined by the Burrishan. Welcome back, everybody.

SPEAKER_00

And I find a video. Oh yes, welcome back. Thanks for all your listenership for the whole season. Much appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01

That was a quick season, wasn't it? Really was. Considering we didn't play too many matches.

SPEAKER_00

I'm on another 40 weeks nearer to grave. That was a quick season, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02

40 weeks gone. Time goes quick. Flew boy.

SPEAKER_01

Oh absolutely, yeah. Good season overall, in terms of quality-wise, it was a bit iffy, but was interesting at the end, wasn't it? Yeah, that was a good way of putting it in.

SPEAKER_00

But we got there in the end, considering we did the way we we were at the start, and we did have a little bit of an advantage alright. No matter what the people say it was a big advantage, one game a week now, but you still have to make the most of it. We went and doing the most of it to start. Now we've seen out the likes of the few teams like the likes of Newcastle and Chelsea and all, and teams like that and suppose next year having one game. It's a challenge for them at the end of the top five, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's a chance for them being a five. That's it. We'll feel it next year if you don't recruit properly. Yeah, exactly. Definitely, yeah. Um so just for people listening, this week were obviously gonna touch on the last game of the season just because you kinda have to. Yeah. And then we're gonna go over our season predictions that we made at the start of the season. And the predictions we made a couple of weeks ago for the title, the European spots in relegation to see how close we actually came. It was close enough, not nearly bang on, in fairness. And then next week we're gonna give out our awards for, you know, player of the year, manager of the year, etc.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I don't know what you're picking kind of. Yeah, yeah, but I don't know what you know there yet.

SPEAKER_01

So uh we go for a while then next week a bit of a review of the season because the Champions League final will be over as well. And then probably a little bit of a dive into United season because considering we are United fans, so please let people know what this week is gonna be about and next week. Um before we go into the newest, anything else? No, I don't think so. No, just we're gonna go plan to go through, continue on through the summer and we go on because obviously the premiership's not on, but a lot of transfers, the world cup will help us get through and interact that way with them up with something. Yeah, something different.

SPEAKER_00

Look we look at people still listening to us, they want us our work we'll carry on.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we'll keep going. The feedback is enough there for us to we weren't sure at the start of the year how it was going to go, you know, the way so. Of course, yeah. How would you great um feedback from all the involved and all everybody getting involved in that, you know? So yeah, it's great to feed them. Okay, thanks very much for getting involved. Yeah, so it gives us it gives us a bit of encouragement. Encouragement, yeah. So to keep going and yeah, thanks for that, and keep them keep it coming in.

SPEAKER_00

We'll have to decide for the two weeks that we're gone on the holidays that we like for taking a break. But look, we'll inform people when that comes, like I'll take finishing dates to start back so you said you said it to start, you know, that'll come and go.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, maybe sitting back here and you'll be you'll be looking really tanned. And I'd be like that red cushion over there, and then we'll be back sitting in this seat, you know.

SPEAKER_00

Rather all, hopefully, hopefully we've look forward to next season. Ah, yeah, like the fans like now you you can look forward to next season there with a bit more anticipation that it'll be good.

SPEAKER_01

I say even people just talking about even you and everybody else that United, like we are used to seeing them winning, but uh we're almost used to getting used to them not winning anything, yeah, which is terrible, you know. So all we want now, I I want and they all you want is just to enjoy the football, enjoy matches like this time last year. I couldn't wait for it to be to be over. Exactly. I wanted a complete break. Now we can't make a start back. That's the way it should be. I'm not expecting them to win the league and the quadruple next year, but just go for it and don't be getting knocked out of the fourth round of the cups. Yeah, try maybe pick one of them cups up, let a run in the Champions League, and finish in the top in the Champions League spots next year again. And improve, yeah, and football's football, the way things are, you wouldn't be surprised if you if you like it depends on how you recruit, you could do well in some of these competitions, you know. So not saying I'm gonna win the league, right? But the truth it's just has a weird fail-off this year with the way other teams are. But I think as you said at the start, likes Newcastle and all them, they don't have a we definitely benefit from it, but the likes of them, they're gonna they I don't think they're gonna finish as low as they did last year.

SPEAKER_00

No, they won't.

SPEAKER_01

And the likes of United and all they need to know this because you can't add Spores and Newcastle back into that mixture, but that'll pop people down, you know. So we really need to and Chelsea, yeah, exactly. Oh we get so I think next year it'll be even more competitive for them spots. If that makes sense, Arsenal are convincing champions, you know, concede goals. That's the only like you don't do like what does Ferguson say? You don't concede goals, you don't do it, you don't lose from an attacking manager, you know. But um I don't they don't have clear like remember when CE and Liverpool and all that, them them great teams, not too long ago, even they'd like the league is over next year, but it's open next year. Yeah, it's a it's very open. They are the best team, best squad now, but it's open.

SPEAKER_00

It's open. Okay, so it's it's a challenge for everybody to get there, and that's it.

SPEAKER_01

But they're not they don't they don't scream as a team that gonna win the next four or five leagues, easy sort of thing. No, yeah, yeah. Now having said that, if they go and buy a Tanali and another centre forward, and yeah, it depends on how good their chances window is. If they can have three or four top class players, which you can afford to do it, they could win the Champions League and see more money coming in, then we might have a different opinion. But at the moment, the way they played last year, no.

SPEAKER_00

No, look at it, it's a challenge for everybody. Yeah, even the likes of Liverpool and all, like and how they finished fifth and they rented the Champions League just about, just say right, but they're in it. You have to go. So yeah, so but it's a challenge, and that's it. It's a challenge for all the teams to always catch the to catch the team that won the premiership, and that's it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and like we said, next week we'll go in depth a bit more on sort of nearly all the teams how they did this year than what to expect from them next season. Right, on to our news. Um I threw this and then just because it's kind of close to home for us with England and our squad. Were you surprised? There was no McGuire, no Shaw, no Fowen, no Palmer, no Gibbs White, no Wellbeck, no um Calvert Leon.

SPEAKER_00

Do you think any of them should have been brought into occasion? As a Man United fan to say, like, and I wouldn't even be that as a football fan, um Harry McGuire should have been should have been in the squad too.

SPEAKER_01

I think he should have been.

SPEAKER_00

He had a good season, and you know what? He's dangerous, like, and you brought it in Dan Bourne, didn't he? Like who's there in Tillem?

SPEAKER_01

Dan Bourne and your man Drew Quanta. He wouldn't get a game where Sean McRovers him. No, that's a tiny. So he's that's no that's harsh yeah. Yeah. And then sorry, the one I did leave out was probably could be the biggest one, uh Trent. Yeah, yeah. Who was the scroll and playing right back for them? Uh Reese James. Fair enough. Jed Spence was bra. And then Liv Romento. Jed Spence was bought bra. No, no, that's not he shouldn't have no. I don't agree with that. Trent should have been put in there.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Even that's just differential off the bench. Yeah, you know, he's some no. Adam Orton wasn't brought either. Who's Jed Spence with again? Sports. Derek got relegated. No, and then you put Re Madrid right back. It's home level.

SPEAKER_00

And then you'd damn born to play some Newcastle, then he finished about I don't know, 15th, wherever it was, I think.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so that it should have been. Yeah. Like the up up board or up the pitch, you've what Parmer, Foden. So it was a bit of a surprise, but like who did they thought was a bit of a surprise considerable?

SPEAKER_00

I said he was disappointed. He had a good if it like he probably didn't start the season great, just say, well, put the last part of the season with him, you would have thought he'd have been easy to shoe in the bra. He really was a good player at the end of the season, wasn't he?

SPEAKER_01

What wingers have they got to actually take on? So yeah, like there are defenders. Left wingers would be Gordon and Rashford, and then on the right side would be Madowke and Saka.

unknown

Madaweke?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, he got brought. Yeah. He crap. Yeah. Saka even understand his potential in him. Look what happened when he got the assist the other day. Like that's when he actually takes people on, that can happen, you know. Doesn't do it often up, so he obviously Saka has to go in. I know he give out about them and all sometimes, but he is a good player.

unknown

Madweke. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Oydon Tony got brought as well.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know, I just think it's a bit was a bit strange. That's a bit weird, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

One or two, like Gibbs White was alright, Foden and Parma were in sort of brilliant this year, but Gibbs White was Yeah, but yeah, but you even go back to you to Folding and Parma, they can change the games. Do you know what I always think about the World Cup or now he picked his team and he probably has a good squad and he's more gone for the squad than the players? But do you know what wins games in World Cups when they're so close? Moments. Yeah. And you need players, you need players like that, and not just a workaholic team that just work as a unit, you still need the individual in them teams to take it out of the hole. And the likes of Foden and Cole Parmer are the type of players that do that. I think it's quality you can't leave at home. Yeah, that's what I just look for. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Listen, maybe he's going for a different way of doing things. He maybe at work.

SPEAKER_00

Look, he's the manager, I mean loan you know when the workers are over.

SPEAKER_01

If you look at the team though, like if Harry Kane, he's probably gonna win the Ballandor, he should win the Ballandor above anybody else. I don't care if Arsenal 60 players win. That's I don't know. That's I don't care if the anyone else. It doesn't matter, he has to get it. Yeah, but you have him there. Um it feels pretty strong. I said you have Saka there if he plays well, you can he can cause anyone trouble. Rasher had a good thing, Gordon is day. Yeah, so do you have they're a good squad? They've got a good squad, yeah. He's way better, but that was yeah, yeah. Who's left back? Nico Reilly, his fourth tournament. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

There's a lot of um them defenders have never had like that big tournament and haven't got a lot of England caps.

SPEAKER_01

A lot of individuals you would think James Reese James could be right back. Like, I'm assuming he'd be the fourth choice. A man O'Reilly would be left back, and Gagey and Cons that would be a sense of halves.

SPEAKER_00

Do you know if you told you caps between them you'd be lucky? Yeah. Well, that's what I'm just looking at, just looking around what about yeah.

SPEAKER_01

International ball's different. Yeah, he takes penals and all this. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Does the group for the last ten minutes for a common or something?

SPEAKER_01

He's gonna be sacked, right? And you'd be slayed. I'd say you can feel an eleven that might challenge that team. It's a gamble, yeah. You know, I think though. Anyway, it's a gamble. We'll see. Ireland won't be there, so we'll see if it's gonna come on or not. Give it a better chance of winning in Ireland. Yeah, really, yeah. Deck and right is halfway, shouldn't he? And Harry Kane has a thing, so maybe we support. I mean, that's not booked and potently getting knocked out on the group stages. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. Uh hope they don't win any games.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. The we were watching Jen the other day, they did the last uh team promote now a whole beating Middlesbrough in the playoffs. Now we said a couple of weeks ago they got into the playoffs with 15 minutes to go. I'll change with them doing it big time last Saturday, yeah. But then I think they're saying that if only the second team in the last 20 years to go through the semi-final and final, we're out conceding a goal. Now we watched the finals of the day and I thought the very straightway after is if you don't come bottom of the table, I'd be surprised. Yeah. It's not a great idea at all.

SPEAKER_00

No, do you know? And I know they went into the premiership now, and you get a lot of money, it's a big game, they're gonna get you over your 100 million now, but to to to invest it into the whole squad, like just it's gonna be very hard.

SPEAKER_01

So side note on that Sunderland. There was a uh one of the people I work with, his friend at the at the start of the season, he showed me a picture of it. He had Sunderland to finish in a European spot, a 25 to 1. Jesus brilliant, 100 quid a week. Brilliant, 100 pounds on it, 100 euro on it. Not bad, not bad at all. Yeah, so whole that promoted, so they'd be back in the Premier League and I'd be surprised if they get 20 points next year, can't yeah.

SPEAKER_00

That's me that's Nintendo, they don't give a hoodie on the point of some of it or not. Like looking at them the other day, and I know it was very powerful. Realistically, anybody we know. Yeah, man McBourney plays a front number here.

SPEAKER_01

He scored, yeah, yeah. That was it. Yeah. Egan, he plays centre half, is he? Yeah. He's 44, 45. Yeah. Other than that, like there's no stand there players, but you didn't have to.

SPEAKER_00

Look, it's you probably need them, but then you can buy ten and tell the players, or do you buy three good players, really good players that's gonna go to hold to be honest with you? Tony when you have to amputate into the premiership. Yeah. So you can just look at any like you could just see them struggling and that's it. Like when fair ends like this, Leeds came up in the boat, I think the lead might have been a bit stronger than Sunday, and look at how well they do with them did. Yeah. So that could give you anybody a bit of encouragement. Yeah, true, yeah. Just look back at that, and that's it.

SPEAKER_01

Just don't talk about it.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Er right, managerial now. Or er one of Cardiff is officially signed now, two years plus one, which we all know. Last week you mentioned it, but he's official now. Um Romanos then said the other day that Moreskit is basically official as well. Man City kind of signed a three-year contract. What that means for them, I don't know, in terms of getting players in, or will he just continue on being good, or will he hit a bit of a brick wall and all things? Although they are losing, they could lose from like Rodri and all, but they'll have to invest again, they'll have to put another 300 million into that squad.

SPEAKER_00

Look, there'll be another manager in the matter. He can't pay the Pepway either, even though he was his assistant, he's a different manager. So he'll he'll he'll speak differently. The players won't grumble him as well as him, you could grumble him better. Everything will change. So it all depends on the harmony of the club now when somebody else comes in. It could either go up to stay the same or could go down. The charges over as well.

SPEAKER_01

Is Pep knows something we don't? Is it a coincidence? Is it something gonna happen anyway? Like everything got duck points and offered last season, wasn't it? Uh yeah, yeah, yeah. So like it surely something's gonna have to stick. Leicester, yeah, yeah. Even the south hand, I think just buying it bumped straight away. Gone going, took points out the next season. Like it's taken so long. I know it's a big call, but you can't delay it forever. Yeah, I don't know. So it's it's up in the air, you know I don't know. Will the with that leave you were Elliot Anderson and uh the Man City or coming in for you, do you what do you do?

SPEAKER_00

You go to United.

SPEAKER_01

Do you I don't do a contract that you have a chance to leave, but that's not gonna be as easy as that, like you know? No. You have to think about it. Man, isn't it? Yeah, it is range. Time will tell. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, uh and then the last one then is new enough. We only saw her there before we started, didn't we? Yeah, he said that he's staying with West Ham. Yeah, look, he's a good manager. Look, that might like make some of the player stay as well. Looks like some bowl. He sort of came out and said that he's probably more than likely gonna stay and try to help them back up. So they might lose as many players as what you would think they would, so maybe they could bounce straight back up.

SPEAKER_00

He's a West Ham player, isn't he? He's loyal to them, isn't he? Yeah, and that's it. Like, and look at the thing about it is that he's still captain manager who's a good manager. So you'd nearly be you know what you'd you'd nearly be banging on them and just come and say back up, wouldn't you? Yeah, yeah. Definitely, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Right then, we're gonna move on to considering right on into the summer. Our new little feature that we're gonna do, which is obviously our transfers. So we'll pick some of the biggest sort of rumors throughout the week, and if there's anything that's concrete or really sort of nailed on, we'll have a little talk about it. So the fourth one is the United one. Surprise surprise. Um Edison from Mat Atlantic 45 million euro. Five-year contract. The contract is always agreed and sort of basically signed. So now it shows up to United as to whether they actually want to pull the plug in it or else go ahead with it. I don't know much about him, to be honest. No, I've watched him, I've seen him in the World League final there a couple years ago for Atlanta. He's very good in that now. In terms of he's just he could be a player that might give you a seven out of ten every game, maybe. But the centre of field and the Premier League's different, so it's hard to tell. He's big, he's physical. He's a good pass of the ball, he can carry the ball. He's not the quickest, but he's fit lad. He's he's Brazilian. Yeah. Um my question is why is nobody else in for him if he's that good? You know, or that she's Italian. That's not expensive. The £35 million. Yeah, but do you think £38 million all in?

SPEAKER_00

It's a bit. I don't know. It is a bit. Now, do you know what I'd be the opposite of you, son? I think it's it's uh it's there, I think, because he only has one year left on his contract. Well that's true as well, isn't it? You see, so I mean to pay £45 million and he's £27, is he? You get him next year with nothing without £45 million and his wages. So I think there is there, but look at where you think we you just have to give it it for last year's um transfers that awoke. Yeah. So like so they're obviously having been watching them, they're not just gonna go and buy them on the sport and more and say, Oh, I'm getting him. Now they've had to be watching them, so they're obviously thinking it's gonna fit in, and he's and you need three midfielders, so I only hope that he's the third one. Oh, that's it, he is he's a piece of the puzzle, he's not the you know the frame of it. Because he's still needing them, he's still gonna need the squad. Yeah, so and then he looked like he could end up being a great player tonight, who knows?

SPEAKER_01

He's got like yeah, yeah, yeah, he'd be a big physical presence in there, and nothing else, you know. So and you want to prove it. Of course, the old goal as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably a troublemaker from what we're reading as well. They always look at that background and how it's supposed to be a good professional, too. Some what from what they're saying. Yeah, look at it. He's on 50,000 euro a week as well, so like he's not as if you're gonna give him 250. No, they could throw 80 at him or 100, maybe. He could probably give them 100, yeah, double his way. So he's not gonna break the bank break bike in football terms. I know that's crazy and standard life.

SPEAKER_00

It's a challenge for him as well. He's coming to United now, and you want to do United because he'll want to turn on to Brazilian team. He'll want that, it's a challenge. He'll want to start.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, the only way to do that is to play well. So exactly. We'll see. Uh next and down again, I just only saw earlier on. Um Arsenal are looking into Morgan Rogers. So there's an again, there's 80 million pounds sort of being floated around. He's not pushing for enough, but Villa are sort of expecting it. And again, they need to sell players somehow again to like balance their books or whatever. So Arsenal are interested in his talks between both of them. So you can sign them for them, that's what I'm saying. You'll have to wait and see who Arsenal buy for us before we write.

SPEAKER_00

Do you know what? He'd probably shoot Arsenal more than he'd shoot United. I can't figure out where he played for United. Like if they're if they're playing him on the left wing, sort of. Yeah. So he's not a winger, is he? No.

SPEAKER_01

He's a bit like K, wouldn't you? Yeah, so you know what I mean. And Arsenal's wingers don't take on people, so he he probably would fit in well there. Well, it'd be bit it would it would be between him, Essay, and Odegaard for one spot, would it? I know he plays on the left wing sometimes a filler, but it's sort of been like him and Eza might swap, maybe. Yeah, like he'd be a good player for them. It's a good shot outside the box as well. You've seen that twice this year, didn't we?

SPEAKER_00

But if you're not a match, if United have had 80 million a day, we're reckoning to be Schwanson Ruben but about him as well. No, but we we have to rent in the middle of the park for right now. Yeah. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01

100%. Somebody else might come in from maybe Liverpool or something for good player and Chelsea, or you wouldn't know that.

SPEAKER_00

Look, he's a good player. He really is a good player, but at the moment he's just not a United player. It doesn't sit with United with the team united having. And the players that United bought last year as well fits into all that position. United need to strengthen the centre midfield before you even went anywhere else.

SPEAKER_01

Just on that, like I hate I can't stand that when maybe people are putting out stupid stories. The likes of Parmer coming together. Where are you gonna play him? We bought up all the number tens last year nearly. No, do you know centre midfield because he can't get into the number 10?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, but you know what that does to be as well. The agents so all are out there, and so rent a load of teams and all to book the price up. I might united rings. I said, We'll get another ten million for him now off. Just him, no, Palmer's price is gonna drop.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, well looking at Hogups. Exactly. If Bruno was leaving, then you need to look at someone like a Rogers or someone like Parmer, but he's not. True, yeah, true. So well, I hope he's not. No, no, I suppose he's not, isn't he? Like that's they're looking into his contract again, isn't he? Yeah, fairness and should. Yeah, yeah. And then the last one then again only came out, I think I saw Yesterday. Which is strange considering they're him and Hollandov are rationed for 40 million. But Barcelona are full seam ahead now for Anthony Gordon for 80 million euro. So again, I think it's all agreed on the players' side. It's just between them and Newcastle now to agree a fee. And how do you walk to money out of the stay, bro? Couldn't you, Arsenal? Well, they're they're felt that Him and Hollandov are paying 40 million for Rashford. Yeah, they got to be able to spend 80 million on Anthony Gordon. That's mad. It's a bit of a strange one. So tell you what, as you were talking, Newcastle wouldn't be careful and they'll lose up. If they lose Gordon, they lose finale. Target, target, the QMRS. It's four, they're starting eleven. Hopefully. But it depends who to go to.

SPEAKER_00

And look at all the money they have, but like you can't spend that obviously because you have to earn the money. That's a they're they're run by billionaires, isn't he?

SPEAKER_01

But also show you when City did break the rules when the force this force came in, I'm telling you. If this was back in if there was no rules, Newcastle would probably be winning the league. Yeah. If they could throw money at this, that and the other, you know. Yeah. But that's obviously not the case, so and that's all speculation.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, we'll look for it.

SPEAKER_01

Innocent in the brew, we get people uh allegedly smoke coming out of there somewhere. Yeah, yeah. Uh yeah, so that's all the news and transfer news, sort of the big news for the week, so we usually go over the results for the the weekend, but we're sort of I don't know me and you've been watching the United game and kind of flicking. We were sort of flicking between the spores match in the West Ham game more than that in El Twitter. That's really it, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. Like United could have won six now.

unknown

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And it was a very bad result for Brighton because Brighton was still at this before the the game, Brighton was still going to be into the Champions League. Didn't he? So you still got Europe like the results now, like but um you have Very poor, Brian, wouldn't he? As good as United to say, did play well to say Brighton started off, didn't he? For ten or fifteen minutes and he came out of lost a bit quicker, which you would expect. But my god, for like another for a team to be gone for such a prestige competition to try and get into the Champions League, you have very poor, wouldn't he?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, the second goal was carved the mozen.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And Bruno's broke his assist record with that. Yeah. And people are giving out it shouldn't have been the assist. If you look, why do people just leave their brain and not their eyes? If he it hit off his hand, of course it did, but hit the underside of the crossbar. It was gonna go in anyway. What happened was it hit the goalkeeper's hand, so it went further into the goal. It's a goal. Look at the anchors. Do you think that goalkeeper wants an own goal on a C basically? No, it doesn't. No, I mean no, just give us home. Fair play to him. We'll give him his his hats off and then spend you and assists. It's not an easy thing considering only two people have ever done it. I have a question later on, lads, about uh about that. Sorry about him and Keane and that, you know, so we can probably talk about him then if that's alright. Yeah, they know about that. Um yeah, then just we're sort of flake as spores. Everything's all crap as well, wouldn't he? Up front. Jesus Christ, I might. I think you said the geo after the game. Now obviously next year we do our predictions again. Well, if everything doesn't get it right this summer, they'd be worried about going down as well next year. They're not a good team at all, are you?

SPEAKER_00

No, they're very poor. Like party and all up front. Who do they who should they have? And then you still beat United with him players. So they've got to show you at that part of the best season, but Amrell was just a disaster, wasn't it? Still beat United with ten players. Yeah. Can we get down about them in Brugh? But then Spores looked the they stayed up, I suppose, in the end and looked you got to alter them. Yeah, and you know what? If you really look at just saying you go to the West Ham game, like West Ham even last year, just say was shrugged in a bit, and the whole of the season. So they are away the air West Ham and you probably deserve to go now. Yeah, well the team doesn't lie, does it? Exactly. And you left it, you lost look at you lost apparently the last game they won easy enough where it leaves, but just it didn't matter to them really liking it. Obviously, they wouldn't like it to win still. But you look he lost probably far the last five games, so that's relegation for him.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, but some big results that he lost. Yeah, like blue isn't was it Brentford he lost three nil too? Yeah, Newcastle.

SPEAKER_00

Newcastle were struggling him as well then. So they probably deserve to go down. Yeah, that's a shock, obviously, to them because it's such a big club. But look, it's up to them at the time that was back. That's it.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. Yeah, then uh obviously he didn't win it the weekend, he won it with arm withdrawal in the city. But we'd have to give our our hats off to Arsenal then. I'm leaving to see it now. Give me keys now. I'm going home. We said it for months that we won't believe until it actually happens, and it happens. And look again, he deserved it, they've been the best team this season. Um what was it, seven points or something in the with the difference in the end between them and City? So yeah. Look, City weren't good enough to catch some. I know, listen, yeah, yeah, they weren't. So I know I slag them and slayed them. It's more frustrating because of the players they have and watching them. I want to watch good football. Yeah. Arsenal really mean anything to me, really. I know I've been giving them I've got dogs abuse from people, Arsenal fans, when I meet them because I slayed them, and I'm not gonna take anything I said back. It's one of the worst uh win uh Premier League winners I've ever seen, the way they've done it, but they've still won the league. Yeah, so it didn't really mean nothing to me. I'm just it's more I don't know why it's frustration. I'm just like I want to see them play with football. I was actually delighted when Saka put him on his arts and he went in with the assist. I really was, and that sounds crazy come up for me. Like the arts meant nothing to me. Like he man the Man City I would put like this, Man City are are still not like tearing down United's legacy in terms of trophies on the board. Yeah, Arsenal only won four leagues. We've won four three times the amount of them if you want to go like that. So not really hurting us if that makes sense. Um not yet, anyway, if you could continue to win, but so I don't really care, but it's just number one by the Arsenal gone, and number two, the way the quality of the squad and the way he has them playing is awful, but it worked. But you know that's why that's why we do say that's their best team we have to offer. It's not good enough. But I will congratulate them and I I said it to you everybody, bar Liverpool, anybody can win, I don't care. So I will I will people out there of Slaggy's all season, right? Well done, congratulations. Yeah, it was grand seeing it was actually nice not seeing City I Liverpool lived the first place.

SPEAKER_00

I was, yeah, but you look you look at last year, but you think of last year Liverpool won the league, yeah. Uh 84 points, and Arsenal won at 85. So there wasn't much difference to saying the points, but you say, but then Liverpool are supposed to be great last year, like you won it easy up now with the with the new magic and memories players and all this are right. Um you'd just say, look at Liverpool, you you'd just say look at um Arsenal this year. Like the goal difference was 44 or something, wherever it was, to say, and last year Liverpool was only 45. So it was nearly similar to last year. But still you would think Liverpool were that champions last year than Arsenal right this year.

SPEAKER_01

See, the only reason I'd say that is because I think Liverpool had the league one like six games ago or something, didn't you? Yeah. So I I'd say if you looked at Liverpool's last five results, they probably lost. You probably didn't get hurt. Probably put a few wanted.

SPEAKER_00

But you just see him getting into Man City then last year. He finished third last year on 71 points, and you know you'd finish uh toad this year on 71 points. Yeah. So like somewhere along the way, the gap was closed a little bit. So I'm just thinking that um this is such a big year, isn't it? Just to get the recruitment right on these teams, isn't it? Huge. Yeah. Like compared to what people are writing us off, and we've been written off for the last 13 years, just say right. And um we were writ off at the start of the Amaron. Now Carrie came in, did a great job, can't argue with results, not great football, but this year now, like this summer, it would definitely since Alex Fair and left just the most important recruitment of this summer, isn't it? There's a chance to get things right. There's a chance.

SPEAKER_01

If you know you went out and got this recruitment right, there's a chance they can win the league next year. Well, potentially, I don't want to say the wars, but yeah, no, if you can. It could be alright, you know, because a lot of teams are underneath, and God knows what could happen, but they have to get the recruitment right, which means you need this by the right players, and obviously you need a crystal ball if you're gonna get everybody 100% right, but there's a reason why everybody's in for Anderson, there's a reason why he's gonna be worth 110 million. Do you want to have to? Actually, that's the only way they can do it. But go for the best. I don't think I don't believe in this hierarchy, so I don't have a bit of confidence because the way we finished, and I'd hope that you have eyes and they can see this. No, but at the same time, they're they're hungry and they're they're looking at them.

SPEAKER_00

No, it's a whole you can't even say the words. There's loads of words from your mind as well to say they're been hungry, this and hungry that. You're right, though, Sean. You'd want to spend their own money. I'm telling you, there's no way they're gonna spend £120 million on a player.

SPEAKER_01

I'm telling you now, so everyone just needs to get that out of their head. Yeah, they're not gonna not, but they won't. So that's why we're gonna miss the boat. I think we might get the squad bit uh good enough to get top four again. I think they're gonna be happy with that. No, well, there's the chance now, you know. Again, depends on who Arsenal buy. If they buy three or four superstars, then like what can they do? Nothing he can do, but but second is there for it. Yeah, you know, and that's how that's what Arsenal owned by years, in fairness to them. And now they won the league.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and then you know, look, it's an opportunity, so I always think this summer is an opportunity for everybody to close the gap, but it really is for United, because like where do you finish now? Todd, none of us expected them to finish third. No, um, I think I put them down to finish fifth, but Toad is a surprise to us all, but it was a poor league. But because it's such a poor league this year, it's definitely an opportunity to get a recruitment right now. Just get down and spend the money, not be miserable, get out, spend the money and bring it back to where they should be.

SPEAKER_01

I got I be getting stick for that as well. I was saying it's it's a poor league, why just keep saying that. I'm gonna tell you the way if you watch the season. I always go with the number one again as a little bigger Arsenal, but they have they won the way they play football, and that's the way they won the league. That's the best team England have to offer. It's terrible anti-football. Yeah, so what do you mean? You're telling me that it's that's good to watch. Yeah, I just think football in general is poor. Yeah, but I'll know what you're looking at. Yeah, even this World Cup coming up is gonna be gonna be the worst World Cup you can see, like quality-wise. I'd say we'd be watching games now, like I don't even know what the groups are, but let's say Chu and Izzy were playing against South Korea or something. You'd be on you'd be on your phone. Yeah, you won't have a question later on, it's normally similar to that, lads as well. Yeah, might be able to answer a little bit.

SPEAKER_00

And you know what? I think you're like Connor, and there's players going to the World Cup that are supposed to be the good players around the world now just Sarah, and for all the teams to say, right. I guarantee you one or two players will come through from somebody that we don't know of, because there's no really superstars going to the World Cup, is there? Like there's no Ronaldo's gone, but he's 40 to Sarah, 50 years. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? Like now you're getting brought to the World Cup, isn't he, for Brazil to Sarah? Which he was a great player. He obviously could be still dangerous. You were you were saying last week, Powder was left off Chelsea and he's the end of say, isn't it? Yeah, you know what I mean? Like Joey Pedro. Yeah, Joey Pedro, right? Right, but um I can't see any like superclassic now. Bard is somebody out there that we don't know about that's going to hit the World Cup running and say, where did he come from? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

This is like yours, it could be a poor World Cup. Seems like a bit of a swan song World Cup, doesn't it? Like Messi's last one, Ronaldo, Casavero, Neymar, Noir, yeah, all these sort of players. I guess. Harry Kayane. Yeah, Harry Kane. The last of the best era. Yeah, yeah, they were a big part of the that's what the question later on is if we can say that, like you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's it's but look, we still look forward to it. On anybody's mind, but you still look forward to it.

SPEAKER_01

Still great to look forward to and that's probably watching Lane rolling or fucking Dort Racing or something, whatever watching last year. No, no, go for cricket, cricket. No, watching Eurosports like this ping-pong, put on paddle, that's the new thing, isn't it? Paddle. Paddle, you know, yeah. Get this off Lean TV. Yeah, true, yeah. Uh right. So we're gonna go over our predictions that we made at the start of the season between the three of us. So after the results the weekend, I was on 178 points, Sean's on 196, and Vinno, you're on 182. Right? Yeah. So, Sean, congratulations, you're the winner of the Europe. We'll be getting Sean and New United Jersey between the two of us. Yeah, that's the plan. Now, we got through the rest of it because we have to wait to see who comes last after the World Cup is over. You haven't got a wire last. Oh yeah. So for league positions, I'll start out with mine. I got two correct with me league positions. I said Barmott uh oh sorry, Burnley and Everton. So I said Bournley'd come 19th, and Everton would come 13th, which he did, right? Sean, you said Barmett would come sixth, and he did come sixth, so and then Vinno, you said City had come second, and obviously he'd come second. So for people listening at home, everything that you get right here, we're gonna add three points on to the scores, right? So the Atley Cup, I put Man City down to win it, which he obviously did. Very good. Sean, you put Arsenal, and then Vinno you put Newcastle. Yeah. So remember that. Yeah. Then the League Cup, I put Chelsea. Sean, you put Man City, and then Vinno, you put Liverpool. Liverpool always let you down. So Sean picked them everywhere. So Sean got that one right. Then the Champions League, none of us got right, because Sean, you were the closest, you said Bayern Munich, and you said Barcelona, Bill. Um Player of the Year. Vinno, I would say he came the closest, he was Declan Rice. That could be the difference maker early, innit? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um that one doesn't get it. Yeah, well Fernandes got it. Yeah, but you know the players play the year. Yeah, the premiership players yeah, they give it out in August and don't you just say, well, I still hope Fernandes gets there. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Does he?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And then there's a premiseship player here, there's a football light here, and then there's the players played. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's three awards, I think, yeah. Yeah, you get that as well, I think. You should. And give me the anti-football right. So then um Sean, you went all in on Isaac. Yeah, he broke his leg. Whatever new sign in Liverpool, yeah. Um I put Van Dijk. Yeah, I just thought you had to have a good defensive season if Liverpool are gonna win it, and obviously that well you would have, but he didn't, and that was it, and we were delighted, so uh Sean then went Isaac for the top scorer, which obviously again didn't haven't. Me and you put Hal and Vinner. Yeah, it was easy, wasn't it? So yeah, it was pretty much easy, shiny. It was which brings us then onto the World Cup. So our scores before the World Cup are Sean is on 199, so again we can't catch you. Villa's on 188, and I'm on 190. So there's two points in it. Yeah, I have Spain, and basically everybody else. And you have Argentina and everybody else. No, if Argentina don't win it, and Spain don't win it, you must have been. So you have to hope Argentina.

SPEAKER_00

But then there you go, that's where my money's gone. Argentina. I'm busy, yeah, yeah. So yeah, I know it. So three points or two points behind me. Imagine if we just had two points for it and and our day would we would end up withdrawal.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so we have a little bit longer now to think of what we should have put a top scorer for the World Cup as well, we should have put we're gonna do we'll do something. We're gonna do something down there. We're gonna do it uh not next week, because we'll like you said, we look back at the whole league and the season, the Champions League, and sort of uh give our awards out next week, then the week after that, then will be the two days before the World Cup. So we'll have a little preview of it. What's the losers? Mark actually said a good thing with you take at the wherever losers, I don't know what team pisses you off the most, but you you have to wear a leads jersey and get a picture taken and put it up on Instagram for it to stay there.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, we're gonna be a little bit more. Whatever your poison is. Yeah, we're not gonna have to buy one, that's the only thing.

SPEAKER_01

That's the up there where anyone goes onto the page. Too bad John didn't win. We would have put an arson. Rice on the back of it. We should have picked a hundred points with the weather win the World Cup. But no, yeah, no, it's good fun. We'll do that again the next season. It was close enough in the end though, wasn't it? It was. If we do win, it'll only be by could be only by six points. Yeah, true, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, for such a lot of games and a lot of predictions in the whole season and five.

SPEAKER_01

I think so far ahead as well. What can hell? Yeah, yeah, we have to get it next year now. True, yeah. So then about five or six weeks ago, we did more sort of predictions. We tried to predict the rest of the season.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, but United were yeah, well, remember because we did that because we united were weren't guaranteed Champions League football at the time, and we didn't that way, things who was gonna go up and so just you tell them what we were doing, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So we I think I'm pretty sure it was like the last six or seven games of the season. People obviously who have listened will know the episode we're talking about. Um so we went through Arsenal and City's games, then we went through the European teams and then the relegation. So I have written down what we predicted and what each team actually got and where they finished three. So for Arsenal and City, we predicted that they both finished on 83 points. Arsenal got 85 and City got 78. So it wasn't too far off Arsenal. Yeah. So he got an extra two points. I think the West Ham game was the one that we said they draw, which they probably nearly could have to say. Um and then City, very looking, he probably would have got 81 if he would have taken serious game series, so he didn't close enough and fairness to what we got and what we predicted in the league table, so fair play to Arsenal again. And then we went into Europe and the Champions League teams. So we united, we predicted that they'd get 69 points, and he ended up on 71. So two more points than what we actually thought he'd get. And from our predictions they should have finished fourth, which he did. We got that position right. Very good. Aston Villa, we said they'd finished on 66 points, they finished on 65. And again, from their predictions table, they would have came fourth, and they did come fourth. Liverpool then, which is probably the biggest points differential. Uh we said Liverpool would finish on 65 points and they finished on 60. Oh, sorry, they got five points less than what they're doing. Yeah, they would have gotten a lot. Yeah, it was actually shocking. So even with the 60 points he finished fifth, and our predictions they would have finished fifth. So that's three out of three, right? Then we went into Bournemouth, and I'm pretty sure we said Bournemouth are a team that could have been sneaky with the points they could have got. So we predicted Bournemouth to get 57 points and he finished on 57. So we got the points correct. They finished sixth, and we predicted that they finished sixth. Um next to all then Sunderland. We didn't include them because they were on 46 points and they were like 11th in the table when we were doing this. So I just got to show the job that we said for weeks, didn't you? They're on the holidays now and they're not really caring. Yeah, well, they go to show you. And they finished seventh. So we'll hold our hands up and we'll apologize to Sunderland for nothing. They did out in the middle of the year. They're the predictions saying the fact that they finished seventh on 54 points.

SPEAKER_00

Great. Yeah. For the team for a team that just uh came up from the championship.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, definitely, yeah. Um then the next one's then sort of so they got Europa League with Barmard. Then the last spot then was for the conference. We go into Brighton and Brantford. So we said that Brighton and Brantford would finish on 54 points, were their predictions for both teams. They both finished on 53. So again, you can have it either way, Brighton to finish eighth, Brentford to finish ninth, or the opposite way around. And there's literally only what three goals in it, I think it was. Yeah, plus six Brighton had Brantford were plus three. There you go, so close. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And then all the European spots, the one we got wrong was, and I'm sure we're not, the only ones to get wrong was Chelsea. And we said they'd get 56 points. So we did say they'd drop a considerable amount of points, and that they'd finish seventh. But he only got 52 points and finished 10th. Fell well back, didn't he? Yeah, that was a big that was a big fall-off, like do you know what I mean? So out of them all, we nearly got the ball right by Chelsea and Sunderland.

SPEAKER_00

Which which you wouldn't expect not a lot of people would have picked both of them to finish anywhere near it. Does Dom would have finished Chelsea to go 10 and for Sunderland to finish seventh. Yeah. No, so for Sunderland to do that, that's extraordinary for them at the one up. And it was a really really bad end of the season for the Chelsea fans.

SPEAKER_01

Then onto the relegation. Now we didn't include leads in this at the time because we said that they were safe. And obviously you've got a few more points out, and that's all fairness, and they had a good season in the end. So we just included Forest, Sports and West Ham. So not in Forest, we predicted to get 49 points, and they actually got 44. So we said they'd finish 16th, and he finished 16th. That was the between the three of them. Um Tottenham we predicted they'd get 47 points and he got 41. So you can say the Zerbi came in and did the job and solved. And he did. Well, that's what it looked like. Yeah. So we predicted they'd finish 18th and get relegated. But they obviously finished 17th instead of a couple of points. West Ham, we said they'd get 48 points and he got 49. So he only got one point more than what we thought. And we said they'd finish 17th, getting more points in scores, but he didn't. And then they came 18th.

SPEAKER_00

So you still got relegated on 40 points. 49 points. And last year I think somebody still probably 36. Yeah. Wherever it was, 45, whatever it was last year. That's the way the leagues got, wasn't it? Yeah. I mean like 49 points where they kept a lot of teams up in the last few years, probably. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. 48 scores had last year, yeah. I kept them up. That's bad, isn't it? Yeah. So that was that was something that we thought we'd do at the time and see how how close we got. We did well there. We got close enough to them all again. That's good, yeah. Um again, we go through the whole season league next next week and sort of give each team a like a little grade and how they get on this year and whatnot. But I've seen somebody put up a funny sort of style. This season that's boards having the last two. Two full seasons, isn't it? Um, how ironic is that Arsenal were lifted the Premier League trophy in the corner in front of that fan. But I've said peace. I said, Well, it's Parkinson's in the corner where the fans are promotional today got difficult, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, well look at you would, wouldn't you? I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, no, yeah. Look at it, it was fun down the predictions. That's how I look at the season.

SPEAKER_00

Again, we do the next year and I'm sure we'll get it it's hard getting trying to even get them one right, isn't it? Yeah, the result you think look at where it's the premiership, and it can happen in the premierships, so it is hard, yeah, definitely hard.

SPEAKER_01

Like we all predicted Liverpool to win the league, and we all said Leeds would get relegated and he didn't.

SPEAKER_00

Well, look at you look at the league on the right at the start, right? Aston Villa couldn't score a goal. The bottom three after the first five games, Liverpool won the first five games, didn't he? So you think they were showing to win the league and get like guaranteed to the Champions League, and you wouldn't have done anything with Aston Villa. Look how much that changed.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, well they won the first five matches Liverpool, didn't they? Yeah. So which means what they got 45 points in the next 33 games.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and there's Aston Villa couldn't call it gone the first five games. Yeah. You stood with them, though. Yeah, we were messing with them. At the start that you'll win this, he'll win this. Now we'd rather get into the Champions League on their own merit, just say as it was, just say, but obviously winning the Europa League as well. Yeah. So they do great season. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, very good.

SPEAKER_01

But uh we'll leave that there and we'll pick that back up next week. And Sean, you have a couple of questions to finish us off on this week. So whenever you're ready before we're away.

SPEAKER_00

Give us the easy ones, will you?

SPEAKER_01

I'll just go with no particular order really. But will we miss Casemiro from John? John Ryan to us again. Will we miss Casemiro? Ah yeah, definitely yeah. You know, look he had his sort of late game once where he's a bit ropey and he was a bit poor and so forth. Ah yeah, absolutely. Yeah, his experience and his defensively and position play, and I know he got goals and all, but breaking up like I know we used to we used to slay him all the time with slide of the tackles and being out of position. We did got a lot better. He got the ball back a lot, didn't he? Yeah, looking he was doing all that when he was sluggish that time. When he started when he wasn't as sluggish, he was winning the ball a lot more. Yeah, of course. He didn't get as many records then.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we used to look at me, you'd miss him because he's such a good head of the ball on the both boxes, but as you kind of said, many in your own box when the other team was having corners. Yeah, he's not renowned for going and scoring like nine goals he scored this year, didn't he? And he got a couple of assists, it's probably his most ever, but he's not renowned for that. It's his defensive work, it's great. Like usually look I've seen something the other day when he's on the pitch, um they don't conceive the goal like every two hours, and when he's off the pitch, he can see the goal every half an hour.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Do you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01

But they'll miss him just because he's a winner. Yeah, right. He knows what it means to play for a club. Yeah, that's very hard to get that nowadays.

SPEAKER_00

You said it last week, didn't you? He's proud to be not to wear this Jared River, or he's carries the jades.

SPEAKER_01

I'm like, that's what you need them characters. People who and cares and wanted wanted to win. Obviously, he went through a bad patch, God knows what was going on. He put on weight all day, so everyone's giving out, we know us included. So he's finished, get rid of him, and then he turned around. Yeah, he's best season. Well, his best season, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

He definitely seasoned to where we are now.

SPEAKER_01

Bruno will be thankful to him as well. He'll miss Bruno and missing back in the World Cup. We started in the World Cup as well, but it's the captain, yeah. So look, he said they didn't rape. Yeah, Joe, I was gonna say, Joe, you he was good at as well, and sometimes he didn't walk him. But you usually passing the ball, it sounds simple, passing the ball forward. Not like trying to get into the forward's feet force time instead of taking two, three, four. Martinez was done very well at the back. He used to love just getting the ball forward, didn't he? Yeah, the way it's to bring someone in now that's able to progress the ball into Fernandez's feet or up to Cunha or to make that pass. Like so we may miss him. Yeah, it's a very good missing. We need to replace the man. Yeah, and and Edison's not the answer, he's a part of the puzzle, but he's not the answer to that. No, you need a better one.

SPEAKER_00

You need a regular replacement, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Definitely.

SPEAKER_01

I think they want to get Edison through this year on the books now that I'm thinking of it. Yeah, no, it's a good thing. If this financial year they'll they'll want to put him through, I'd say. Yeah, yeah. It's not like doing that with Cunny last year, didn't he? But that was sixty odd million to Sony Torties.

SPEAKER_00

If you don't normally do it, so they're doing it for a reason. Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01

No, we don't do things that could be. That's not the marquee signing, like you know, definitely not. No. Um I hope not. Anyway, uh John he said the same to as well. What do you think, what do you make of Bruno's record? Ah, brilliant. But that will tie into the spat with Roy Keane. So another fellow Johnny wrote into us. He said, What do you think of ex-United players as pundits off the back of Bruno and Keane's bat? So they're sort of linked, I think, the two questions.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, I don't really listen to most of the pundits, just say, because like they'll talk about the shite habit, and just say, and I'm not trying to stay revelant, I think, um, to just say football, like, because they're not in football anymore. So they like to looks the skulls and all, and Nikki Button, Rio Ferdinand and all. The only pundit I'd really listen to was Roy Kane, right? Now I know we we were talking today, Connor, just say, right. Connor uh um Roy King come back, he's he he's talk up. Now, not if he's telling the lawyers just say, which is you were what we were talking about, just say, right? But the way he played football and the way he he he 20 word hours a day, he captained Man United for all them years, just say, right, you have to take what he thinks into perspective and say, right, he knows he's talking about, he wants to be he's a winner, he wants people to win. Even when Fernandez was banging the ground that time and he and and he was saying, no, uh play for the team, don't be minding the assist record and all. But if if I was wasn't didn't hear what he said or whatever, I wasn't getting into what he was able to say, but uh the only one that would listen to was Roy King. But Connor was saying Roy King was telling lawyers, so he was telling noise what what Fernandez said, because Connor be able to tell you more about that. He has to own them and apologists. And the assist records, yeah. The assist record is brilliant, yeah. Brilliant. Get 21 assists and like and it looks matter because you say and you miss loads of chances and he created 102. That happens with De Brian and all when he was with when when Ting and with a seat and all, and loads of people would have missed his chances to say, right? But to get 21 the premiership for a team like well, it's struggling to get 21 assists when you play the first couple of months ever position. That's true as well. Yeah, I mean like if you look at that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, was it only Messi and Muller have the same amount in a league season? I think something they all look like. Yeah, so it's great. They would have played some teams like Lisa might have broke that tissue, did he? Didn't he? I'm not sure overall maybe, but not in the league. Plus, you know, he might go eighteen or nineteen in the league. So he's farther.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you'll know the banking and goes. Look at Chart out 21 assists, and it doesn't matter if they're from Connors or from Free Kicks or from Disney to get them, it's it's unbelievable.

SPEAKER_01

That drives you mad as well, doesn't it? Like one person listens to this and I know we are a couple of years ago when Saka was he he he had 10 assists and uh I didn't say it no, but I go he could have broke the record if he wasn't injured, you know. And now we're saying oh look at the outfield uh on what what's it called? Uh open play open play assists. Saka had four open play assists that year and rest of corners. Why didn't I say that? He does it so you can't have a boatways, you know who you are. I said this to the race as well. So look who you're an Arsenal fan, I'm guessing. Yeah, 100%. That's not just him, it's that's a general thing now. Only when did this like D set piece and all get counted? Only when Bruno was away.

SPEAKER_00

Well, look at I guarantee if you look at I guarantee we have to look for it, just say, right? And you look at all the corners that were taken from every every team in the premiership this year, just say, right? All of them it'd be hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of corners took if you add them all up. Yeah. There's not that loads of goals from corners. Some people are good like Arsenal, they bully it around the corners and all, they score goals at the start of the season, like they still score just say, you know, it would have got a few then. So like a lot of them would just say, right, you could like it could have been a hundred goals from corners, right? I don't know. Something we we we could have looked at or whatever to say, right? But you're only asking the question, right? Um realistically, you still have to take a good corner. Yeah, you can do it, yeah. You see some corners and they go out and they go out the back post. How many corners just hit the front post the first man bear? I was saying, how the name of Jay's a professional footballer, can you not get them past the force person? It's a skill still, you still have to take a proper corner. Yeah. So it doesn't matter. So you give me 510 sits because you got them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

What do you think of it? Well, it's brilliant, yeah. It's obviously a hard thing to do, only two people have ever done it. Yeah, but I said that was in two proper teams as well, wasn't it? Like you said, not a team where we don't really like Cesco wasn't up front all the time, and like he doesn't have a front trade that are banging goals every centre. Like they all played well at certain times of the season, but that was if you can just rely on give it to him all the time. He's all right. Do you know what I mean? Like a front yeah. Like you said, it was the first half of the season he was just playing at number six. He had an interview with the other day, and he was saying Armand was asking to basically get the ball at the back, pass it forward, and then go forward and try to create up there as well. Pass it yourself a little bit. Yeah, basically what an idiot. No, yeah, and then the pundits thing, yeah, I can't stand playing the ex footballers. No, especially the United States. They're so like Gary Neville is so anti-United. Yeah, he tries to be so against them and try not to be wise, but it's gone the complete opposite now. Too far. Uh like I said, Ferdinand and Scott. I don't really listen to them sometimes. Ferdinand's not for money, I think. It's just like alright, they've fairly we love them for players and what they've done and blah blah blah, this and the other. Some of the best players you've ever had, but just shut up and walk away. Like, do you know what I mean? Like just don't be talking. Like you said with Roy Kane, like after the match against Forrest Fernandez, it's like, oh um I was in positions and I shot saying it watching the match, didn't you? Yeah, shooting for it because you were like, get this record, will you? And uh he he was shooting more than what he should have been. And he was like after the game at his interview, he was like, oh I shot more than what I should have, and I should have passed the ball more because my teammates were in better positions. And then Roy came on the overlap, was like, Did you hear Bruno the other day saying that oh I was trying to pass the ball all the time um instead of shooting, even though I was in a better position to shoot, and he's like I'd sell it, which look and I'm looking to try and get the assist record. So you he got it wrong, flipped it. He got it wrong, yeah. He just made a mistake. Yeah, and then he put a thing up on Instagram and basically calling Fernandez a donkey then because Fernandez called him out on it, like yeah.

SPEAKER_00

No, you should write the call now, you know what I'm supposed to call you a lawyer. Yeah, no, so that's what I'm saying. Like, as much as he's the best pundit, like and he is, and he can prove it, just say it's a great play it. If you tell away against somebody, own up. Yeah, put the hand on the phone. He's not doubling down on it. Yeah, it's typical right hand, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01

Even with like Carrick like saying that he's isn't a man. I think secretly he wants everything to fail at United now. I don't I think he just never wants United to be good again. Right here. Right yeah, yeah. Just because I I don't think I know what you mean, yeah. Like I'd say he'd love Carrick to fail and he'd love Fernandez not to win an easy. Or Air Era is the best thing that's it, no matter what. Yeah. Yeah. I have to ask sort of I don't know what like he's not a man like fan, he said that. No, he's a sports fan, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

He doesn't want to take off, he doesn't want dynamic to take off. He's man like I'm the best captain ever now. I know what you mean, just say but he still speaks shoots from the hip and that's it in his next to say against everything, like he's not only a night just but but like my thing is like if like if he tells a lie, have to all know.

SPEAKER_01

What do you think? Yeah, I think they should also shut up and stop the if you've got to say something, make sure you're 100% of it. And then if you're not just apologise to them. Yeah. Just dump the bell and they look like an idiot. You know, like the the point, like and the rest of them cannot, like, they're all both of idiots. They're all they're all damaging the club. That's just gonna be. Look where we were when Armand uh left and where we are now, and even the assist right. Why can't they all just yeah, be realistic? Listen, well done, lads. You get there and now we have to keep our heads screwed on and go again next year. This is only only finishing tour, it's not good enough. It's not good enough. But it is what it is, not gonna change the fact by you saying it in this this there's what it's different ways of doing that, damaging the club more because I think they want to put pressure on the club. We're talking about them now. Look, yeah, they're putting pressure on the players. If we if they said to them, said to everybody, oh, and he blew smoke up to all our arsenal, we wouldn't be talking about it now. No, so it's working. So I think it's a bit of a rage bait as well at the same time, but uh I think it's a bit of everything. So I think they need to help the club more a bit. Yeah, and him getting the the record is is great. Shut them all up. I look at Romano's page and Bruno getting the assist record, was more hits than more, more everything, more interactions the whole lot than Arsenal win the league. It's just it's mad. It's I always look at little things of that thing.

SPEAKER_00

So no other pun is the same, though. So you're like you're talking about United and all just saying and but you look at Mercilon and like what Arsenal just say now, and then you look at even Clinton Morrison going in when Crystal Palace is playing like they all have their own little bit of agenda. They should be just biased when they're when they're when they're walking and scoring on and they're doing it. You should be just biased. Yeah. So just judge to match what it is, and not for what you hope the result is going to do because you used to play with this team years ago. Yeah, you have to be biased, and that's it when they're doing a 90-minute match. After you can say to somebody off counting, I'm glad they lost, and eight them lost. Do you know what I mean? Just say like what we would like to do. But if you're going to if it's a job when you're gonna be a pundit, be partial for the for the for the 90 minutes that the matches on.

SPEAKER_01

That's it. Thanks for the right now in. This is a came in with Trevor, what was in, he said, um you know you must spend big in the summer. Do they do we think they actually will?

SPEAKER_00

I think they will.

SPEAKER_01

I'm gonna say yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Now Johnny was gonna say like is because they said last year, and now now they didn't say, because all of the outlets say, and they uh everybody was only guessing, but he said they might spend 120 million because you didn't go into the Champions League last year, so you know like they might be scrimping and all the players and and all that, and you go out and spend 250 million. Right, fair enough, right? So I'm just gonna bring that year forward and they're in the Champions League to say right, and obviously hopefully they get the will Casemary be gone off the books just say right, and uh um Rashford hopefully is off the it'll be off the books just alright, and a few more just say that we're on big money, so I think they I think they will spend 250 million this year again.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, same, eh?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think they have to. I think they've good sort of reasons to as well, like the championship. Is that spending big though? I think spending big is over 300 million. No do you might? Maybe this might be the year where they eventually buy a paper 100 million. They're gonna have to. Like the ego thing has gone out the window all United and never spent a hundred million up there. So what fucking it that's they have to do that now, no, no, they didn't know what nice and he's a Premier League, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean, so yeah, and you know what? You you looking out here, you're saying as well, Connor. And not I'm glad that they buy this fella Edison or Israel and he's 27 to 8, because that's gone out the window as well that they're going to not buy anybody over 26 and all. No, you have to be experienced with that as well. And say the likes of the likes of Anderson and all, um, you need to go out and get the likes of him. Yeah. And that's it.

SPEAKER_01

Somebody up that ilk. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Go out and get somebody like fair enough. If he doesn't want to try united, but Cleek go out and try and get him. Yeah, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01

I don't think they will. No. I mean, negative here. They will go out and spend, but I don't think they'll spend what we need to like on Anderson. Now you might want the Comorella, but they they they will they'll never in there, they'll never be in that race. He's the number one target. You need to get him, and if if you sign Edison, and that's 150 million gone, then you have another 150 there to you're not gonna get every I've said it before on another podcast, you're not gonna get to buy in every position, but another 150 is a nothing, another midfielder, uh left back, centre back, and another centre forward. I think it is just for now. You need more than that, and you probably need to spend more on those players, but we can't have it. But you need to buy big, and I don't think they will. I think you spend close to the number, but they won't buy I I just I don't see them giving that.

SPEAKER_00

But you'd rather quantity or quality quality quality, quality, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But yeah no, I won't.

SPEAKER_00

Three fairly liquids is better than the Liberty Market washing obligatory. Like you know what I mean, like famous, green and get the best. That's it.

SPEAKER_01

That's it. Thanks, Trevor. Um hopefully I'm wrong on that. So this one it's just a bit of a and all I'll say this one. What's the difference between Wayne Rooney's era and today's era from Mike and Rowan's better footballers back then?

SPEAKER_00

Better teams, better defenders to make you better be a better forward and all, and and you could tackle on them days, or you had to be more aware of yourself. Like um just battered himself. Just complete simply to a battered hymns. Like I think it's not forwarding nowadays.

SPEAKER_01

Like everything is all academies and all. Like Declan Royce has never played a match on a Sunday League in the academy since he was like six or seven or something, wherever it was. So like you look at all the best players years ago, they're playing out in the street and all, and you could I saw a video today, like, was it the 2006 World Cup? Yeah, and all the players that were in the world. That's it, that's always gonna bring that up, yeah. Unbelievable. The clip on about three minutes just showing five second clips of players that played at that World Cup. Oh, natural football. Oh, my god. Not one player playing today, apart from Messi and Ronaldo, because they were in the video, are better than them. None of them are better.

SPEAKER_00

None of them are even close to it. See, they're not naturally gifted footballers now, shouldn't they? As you say, they're bred into just a six to try and make up to the four team. If not, we'll send you out then and you can get rid of you then or eight in if you're not good enough, and that's then we'll just go some very belt of people, and to get one or two good players somewhere on, that's good enough. But they're not they're taking the natural ability out of them, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01

I'm gonna answer a different way, apart from the obvious things that we've said and agree with all of them. But they they're all too nice nowadays. Yeah. There's too much back in the day, there was no Wayne Rooney going on a holiday with Stephen Gerrard. There was no uh Ronaldo going on holidays with anyone who played for Barcelona. They're all too nice now together. They're all too like hugging each other going in the tunnel after losing and you know, on the going on holidays, I blame I blame social media and all their profiles they thought I'm like two seasons ago, Declan Royce and Brenda Fernandez were training together. I'd be fuck off.

SPEAKER_00

Nothing is good, but I wouldn't want to do that, would you? I'd want to do it.

SPEAKER_01

No, and same with him, but break his leg. So he wouldn't have to play in the street. But that's what you were thinking. Yeah, old school, old school, I think. Like that's that's a major, major difference, and that'll never change, it's only gonna get worse. I think all this like I know it's fair play and all, but the reason why the matchup and the football is much better, barred quality, because teams hate each other. Like that that that England team with Lampard's goals, we always talk about as obviously Irish fans. They should have won greatly. I know they're playing against very, very good Italian teams, Spanish teams, German teams. This goes on, but they but the quality they had there, they should have they should have won Michael Owen up front. They're actually called, yeah, oh big time. The reason why they didn't because they all hate each other. Yeah. But then the Spanish players hate each other, didn't they?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. The barracy players and Redford. Wouldn't he talk to each other? Oh yeah. No, yeah, yeah. Man, isn't it? Yeah, and that's it, like as you say, that's it. Like that's what I think. Football now, as you said, even compared to then. Like the way you know, you know, just say right here, and I'll just say just say players were going forward, just say, and you get it and you heady the ball out and you give away a corner, just say right, and they're all high-fiving each other because that the state development's going up with a corner. Clap some of them say, Yeah, put it over a corner for it's it's it's used, it's too nice that the the high five is just for stupid things. Give somebody high five you scores a goal. Not fucking tacking the ball and going out to the drive. And another thing, uh, when when somebody kicks the ball out and it's five and the hour, they're winning two ones, say, and and the players are going just to the crowd waving the hands. Jesus Christ, you should be just playing football and and getting a crowd up with the do that.

SPEAKER_01

And one last thing is remember we used to watch soccer at the end and there was a part and then like skilled what was it called the scales Teckers, was it? No, no, no, showbo, all the hard showbook. Yeah, all the hard of Showbo. That wouldn't exist nowadays. Nobody does scale anymore. I mean, like yeah, players don't even take players on. You're right. That's a massive, massive difference between them two areas, and it'll never be the same again.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, the national buildings gone out of football, it is so thanks Mike for that.

SPEAKER_01

That was very good, I thought. Um we'll get one more in here, we yeah, yeah. This is just Mark wrote into us, um more of a what would you call it? What would you call this? I'll call it out. Sorry. When'd your former sports manager compete in the Dakar rally? Reason enough manager. It's like a trivia question, sorry. It's racing. I think it's kind of kind of racing, I think. Former sports manager. Yeah, and Chelsea. And Chelsea? No, we'll call it go guest though.

SPEAKER_00

And Chelsea and Sports Manager? Yeah. Oh no, that's one. What's his name? Bower. Elliot Field of Bowers. Oh, you got it because you're bower. How would you would never remember that? Good question from Mark.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, because then Mark sent another question to the well now. I'm not gonna call out here, we don't need to have another hour. Just let people think of it. It's it's a good question that I've asked you you two weeks separately. You and everybody to remember. uh uh Vino and Pato. Uh can you name the 51 Premier League teams that of maybe 51 Premier League teams ever played in the Premier League. All the teams I've ever played in the Premier League, sorry. And there's 51 of them. Fair enough. Yeah. Go up and just you'll get to 40 very quickly and then some of them are hard. Don't use we can use Google if you want, that's a bit in the end but cheating. But it does you got them colour. In fairness you got it in the end. Eventually yeah you did.

SPEAKER_00

And you asked me Sean like we over a minute just say and I and the fourth team I mentioned was one of the things he found hard. Yeah exactly I mentioned other Wildfoot.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah yeah so test yourself out there. Right pen and paper it's very good and and it's head wrecking you know so uh yeah just said I I'd throw that out there and Mark said a good question him and his brother were doing it so thanks for that blades is one of them look at we'll finish on that then and um like you said we'll be back next week to go over our our season review and and whatnot and the championship awards and all and conference league is on as well isn't it like that sounds uh so uh yeah we'll be back next week and we'll speak to everybody then yeah thanks very much