Don't Even Bother

#8: Did That Really Happen? The Mandela Effect & False Memories Explained

• Katiuscia + Megan • Episode 8

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Did that really happen — or do we just think it did?

We’re diving into the Mandela Effect, false memories, and why people often remember things differently than they actually occurred.

We talk about how memory works, why it’s so easy to misremember details, and how shared beliefs can turn individual memories into collective ones. From well-known Mandela Effect examples to broader conversations around misinformation and mistrust, this episode explores how perception and reality don’t always align.

If you’ve ever been convinced something happened a certain way — only to find out you were wrong — this conversation will make you question how reliable memory really is.

00:00 Intro
02:00 What Is the Mandela Effect?
06:30 Famous Examples
11:20 Why Memory Gets It Wrong
16:40 False Memories Explained
22:30 Collective Memory
28:10 Mistrust and Media
34:20 Manufactured Narratives
39:10 Why We Believe It
43:00 Final Thoughts

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Speaker:

Don't even bother.

Megan:

Oh, hey.

Katiuscia:

Hey.

Megan:

What day is Thanksgiving?

Katiuscia:

Thursday? You mean what date?

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

Oh, dude. It changes every year, end of the month-ish somewhere. I never know though.

Megan:

So apparently I come from the timeline where Thanksgiving was always the third Thursday in November.

Katiuscia:

Okay.

Megan:

And now I'm being told that no, it has always been the fourth Thursday in November.

Katiuscia:

I guess I didn't realize that it was set on a certain day.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

Of, okay.

Megan:

So yeah, I just always thought if you'd asked me, I would've said the third Thursday. Except that the last several years, it's been the fourth Thursday.

Katiuscia:

Okay.

Megan:

Or the last Thursday.

Katiuscia:

What is it this year? I think it's the last, I think it's,

Megan:

yeah, it's the last Thursday of November, so now I'm right back down. The Mandela Effect rabbit hole.

Katiuscia:

Oh no, don't

Megan:

again.

Katiuscia:

Oh no. That's such a big rabbit hole.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

Don't get, you don't get outta that very easily.

Megan:

No. So. Do you wanna explain Mandela effect or you want me to?

Katiuscia:

I feel all over the internet right now. I've been seeing it so much more, so I don't know if more things are coming out. I would love you to give a quick synopsis of what it is for anyone listening that doesn't know

Megan:

Mandela Effect. If you Google it, it's gonna tell you it's a collective false memory, except that those of us who have that memory are gonna say bullshit. It's not false, but it's just, it's based on Nelson Mandela. Who many, many, many, many people remember him dying in prison in the 1980s in South Africa, but allegedly he died in 2013. So when he died again, people were like, no, he already died. And so that led to this whole, and then with the internet, it led to this whole cascade of people being like. Wait a minute. How do you remember this? Because I remember it this way, and a lot of people have the same shared memory from across the country, but the internet says otherwise.

Katiuscia:

So it's actually a little frightening to me. The whole Mandela effect, I dunno. Situation, premise, issue thing, topic. It's a little frightening because I think collective false memory when so many people knew it, that's when you wonder, is this being implemented? Is this being fed to us so much that we can then automatically something shifts and scrubs it? So scrubs it from the internet, even though we all remember something that was clearly pre-internet. So it's not that we had the access to see it back in the day. Yeah. But now that we're all realizing that it's coming out differently, my, the, a big one for me is the Fruit of the Loom logo.

Megan:

Oh yeah.

Katiuscia:

That's huge. Because it had always had a cornucopia. I mean that always, that was our time through the loom. That was our era Yeah. Of growing up. So always with the cornucopia, and then for them to deny it down with the ship.

Megan:

Yeah, so Fruit of the Loom came out and said, no, we've never had a cornucopia in our logo. And we all went, hold up. Yes, you, yes, you effing did. How else would we have all known what a cornucopia was? Get a grip, it had a cornucopia. And they said, no, it didn't. And they came out and on, I don't know where, but they publicly came out and gave us a whole contact sheet of all their logos, and none of them had a cornucopia, which we now know is bullshit. Because people have been all over the internet pulling out their old t-shirts and undies and sweatpants with the cornucopia on the logo.

Katiuscia:

It's a very interesting and also crazy thing to me, so I did ask my mom the other night, Hey, do you remember Fruit of the Loom? She's like, yeah. I said, what was on the logo? And she took a minute and she said, I don't know, fruit. I go, yeah, but what was the fruit in? She said, I don't know. And then randomly says, A cornucopia. And I go, yeah, why? They're saying it never was a cornucopia of all

Megan:

the possible fruit containers

Katiuscia:

basket. And she says to me, well, I don't know why I said cornucopia. Maybe because I was thinking of Thanksgiving. And I said, why are you thinking of Thanksgiving? Underwear equals Thanksgiving. When we're talking about fruit of the loom underwear, what is happening? So even her, she knew, but with all the things that we've seen online about the people proving and showing the pieces, articles of clothing that have this logo, then I don't, I don't remember if it was Elon on a podcast or something. I'm pretty

Megan:

sure it was

Katiuscia:

that showed that they had gone into the business documents and found that somewhere in the business documents through the Loom had noted cornucopia as part of their branding,

Megan:

which why

Katiuscia:

I don't know.

Megan:

Did somebody decide Cornucopias were racist? Why take it out and or take it out? People change their logos. Who gives a shit? But why deny it.

Katiuscia:

Why deny it?

Megan:

I

Katiuscia:

don't care so heavily where you make people. So this is my thing with Mandela Effect. Are we trying? Is there an attempt to make us all believe or think that we're crazy?

Megan:

Probably.

Katiuscia:

So I was looking up the pur, what's the purpose, right? Yeah. Why is this happening to us? And it's something about you can't trust the human brain.

Megan:

That's a proven fact, and I get that. I totally understand that. I was just having a conversation about that the other night. But when thousands of people believe it or remember it, it's not just me. Losing my mind.

Katiuscia:

It's everybody together.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

Again, spiraling together.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

I just don't understand why it's a thing. The Tinker Bell and the Disney, that's also one that she never flew over the Disney castle in the beginning of the movie. Yes she did. Yes

Megan:

she did.

Katiuscia:

Yes she did. And I'm about to have to resurrect of V-H-S-D-V-D combo machine that I have to push in my VHS is, I hope I still have my Disney VHS is, I might have gotten rid of them. Ah.

Megan:

No,

Katiuscia:

my proof. Ah,

Megan:

well, and then Looney Tunes, was it T-O-O-N-S or T-U-N-E-S? They are saying that it has always been T-U-N-E-S and first of all, they're cartoons.

Katiuscia:

Yeah,

Megan:

T-O-O-N-S tunes. Loony Tunes. I don't understand. That's just. Loony. Why would you change that?

Katiuscia:

I feel like this whole conversation is gonna be us saying bullshit a bunch of times because probably everything bullshit. Yeah. I don't want to believe, I wanna believe what I saw. I saw something. The fact that you went and changed it or said it never existed. To me now you have to rethink your own sanity.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

But there's too many of us to think.

Megan:

There are some that you could convince me that I was just making stuff up, but the one that really makes me upset is the Berenstein Bears.

Katiuscia:

Mm. That's a big one.

Megan:

That's Berenstein. It's not Berenstein. And if you Google it or you get on your ai, using it as a super efficient. Internet search, it'll say no. It was always baron stain.

Katiuscia:

What?

Megan:

Because that's the last name of the authors. First of all, bullshit. Second of all, I distinctly remember 'cause that was not a name I had ever seen ever in my life. And so I sat down and wanted to know what Bernstein bears said. How do you pronounce that? And I will die on that hill.

Katiuscia:

That's, and that's one that I always believed to be Bernstein bears. So the stain thing, when I started hearing that, people talking about that and making a big deal about it, that's probably, I think it was probably the Bernstein Bears that really brought. This whole Mandela effect up to modern day right now because it's so collectively raged upon as a topic. Don't that one

Megan:

in particular? Well, I don't know anybody who remembers it with an A.

Katiuscia:

I never remember it with an A.

Megan:

I don't either.

Katiuscia:

So the crazy thing is, and I had just found a random reel that I sent you. It had minimal views. It had a handful of maybe 40 something likes. And I couldn't. Then remember, had I sent it to you and you reminded me that I did a guy opening his safe. I love that it was in a safe, doing his little biometric, everything, opening the safe, pulling out a Berenstein Bears book, pulling out a Shazam VHS with Sinbad.

Megan:

Yep.

Katiuscia:

And pulling out a raggedy ass fruit of the loom sweatshirt. Putting him all back in his safe. And I just think all these people who are calling this stuff out, this is big trickery is gonna be after you. Yeah, because this is some crazy shit right now.

Megan:

Well, and then if you, if you Google him chat G two will try to gaslight you. Say, no, no, no. You just think you remember a movie with Sinbad as a genie called Shazam because he dressed as a genie in some Nickelodeon telethon or something. And because there was a Shaq movie called Kazam around the same time, they'll totally gaslight you hard. Now I don't, I never saw the movie, but I remember it happening.

Katiuscia:

So do I and maybe it was a really bad movie. Okay. That happens. I feel every actor goes through a bad movie phase. It's no reason to scrub it from the world. Yeah. And make everyone believe that it never happened. When we all know that it happened, doesn't mean we all saw it.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

Why that guy got it. That's what I'm saying. Why are they lying to us? Why are they trying to make us believe something? That didn't happen happened. It's very Truman show everybody.

Megan:

It is very Truman show and my little tinfoil hat brain is like, well, they're probably collectively trying to make us all doubt our own minds so that they can get in there and convince us otherwise with anything.

Katiuscia:

Oh,

Megan:

so another one that I found when I was looking this up was that there are people who say that when they were in school. On a map. New Zealand was not below Australia. It was above Australia. If you're looking at Australia right now, it's down in to the right, I think. And in old maps it was up into the left.

Katiuscia:

Oh,

Megan:

northwest versus Southeast, I think. But then that would lead you down into the whole maps. What map are we using? What version of the Earth are we using? Flat. Earth versus globe model.

Katiuscia:

Yeah.

Megan:

All of that. But there are people who swear up and down the New Zealand was not placed the same on a map. Interesting. When they were in school as it as it is today. And these are not hundred year old people, these internet savvy people. Wow. Yeah.

Katiuscia:

I feel the list is never ending. But the other one that we say all the time is. Mirror. Mirror on the wall.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

And apparently that's not accurate.

Megan:

What?

Katiuscia:

Yeah. Apparently it was magic mirror on the wall is what the queen said. And again, if I had those damn VHSs,

Megan:

you're

Katiuscia:

in charge of finding this out, which were classic. I I. But what Disappointment.

Megan:

If it was Magic Mirror on the wall, how were we all walking around for the last, how old is Snow White? It's like 80 years old. How were we all walking around for this many decades saying mirror. Mirror on the wall.

Katiuscia:

That's what I'm saying. With all of it though.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

Any kind of quote, any kind of common behavior or common understanding of things? This is pre-internet. We didn't have the internet until the two thousands, so where we were using it. So now what? We're all just making that up, pulling that out of mirror. Mirror on the wall. Is it just the world's biggest game of telephone? One person heard it called the next, there's no texting, so you're calling them, you're traveling, you're going on family trips.

Megan:

There is something to that because otherwise we wouldn't have all believed, all the same rumors about Marilyn Manson in the nineties without the internet. I heard it from. My friend Bob Sano, who heard it from his cousin who heard it at summer camp, who, and it travels, but none of those really changed that much like a game of telephone. They all stayed pretty similar. It's not like some people are saying Magic Mirror and some people are saying Mirror mirror. It's the same thing.

Katiuscia:

So that's what confuses me. Yeah, because we're all saying the same thing. We're all growing up on the same thing. And so I think it just brings us to the bigger point of is the government trying to control us forever? Yes. Has the government always been trying to control us? Is there something, are they poisoning our water? You just start thinking of all these things where now I don't know anything anymore. I know a lot, but when you have very standard things that you grew up with and you know those because they're your memories and then. Not apparently.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

It's just, I don't know.

Megan:

Well, and let's see, what are some other ones? Did the monopoly man have a monocle?

Katiuscia:

Yeah, when he was running in his logo.

Megan:

Dan, I feel like that's one that I could, I could be swayed either way on that one.'cause was it the monopoly man? Was it Mr. Peanut? I don't, I don't remember, but. I could see him having a monocle.

Katiuscia:

Did Mickey Mouse have suspenders?

Megan:

I feel like the original Mickey Mouse, Steamboat, Willie, the whistling one had suspenders. But Mickey Mouse that we grew up with, I don't think did, I think he had buttons.

Katiuscia:

My mom said Mickey Mouse had suspenders, but interesting to keep up his little shorts, but apparently he didn't. So again, these are things. I'm trying to remember when I leave cartoons on for my dogs. If Mickey Mouse's Clubhouse has suspenders and probably not. I would say that they're probably staying on trend, but I'm not paying attention to these things because I never thought that they would come back to. Be questioned in my own mind.

Megan:

Well, Mickey Mouse Clubhouse is all computer generated and that computer generated animation is garbage compared to the, the dogs

Katiuscia:

don't know that though,

Megan:

compared to what we grew up with. So they're way less attention to detail than the animation that we grew up with.

Katiuscia:

True.

Megan:

It's awful.

Katiuscia:

True. I put Bluey on for my dogs though too. Bluey is a good one, and it just. It's good background noise when I'm outta the house. Okay, so the biggest, the biggest, and I will die on this hill and just go down with the ship is Publisher's Clearing House. Do you know this one?

Megan:

I dunno. This one.

Katiuscia:

Ed McMahon and Publisher's Clearinghouse would go around and present people with huge, a big check checks,

Megan:

a physically big check,

Katiuscia:

a huge check. It was obnoxious size of a check, but they went to your door and it was always televised, and we all saw it

Megan:

with the balloons.

Katiuscia:

You would hope that you got that. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Never happened. What never happened. They're saying Ed McMahon was never affiliated with publisher's. Clear. What? Thank you. Thank you. That is something that really upsets me a lot because I think that was such a huge part of my childhood growing up. Yeah. Seeing those commercials, knowing that that happened, and being excited for the potential day that Ed McMahon was gonna come to my house. But he never did.'cause apparently it was never his thing.

Megan:

Bullshit.

Katiuscia:

That's right.

Megan:

Because I feel like anybody who is 40 or younger knew Ed McMahon from the Publisher's Clearinghouse more than from The Tonight Show.

Katiuscia:

Oh yeah. I don't even, I mean, that's not even a thing for me. I only know Ed McMahon from Publisher's Clearinghouse.

Megan:

There's no way he was not giving people big checks.

Katiuscia:

Mm-hmm. That's what they're saying. That's the whole thing. And people are very upset about it. I'm

Megan:

upset about it.

Katiuscia:

I'm infuriated. Yeah. So that's the one that really, when I think of this whole thing, and I think why, yeah, what's the purpose? Why it's the purpose of that not being true or telling us that that's not true when it clearly was true, because we all remember it. And I, I just don't understand what the gain is on the other side. Is it some really sick, long game social experiment where let's mess with everybody's memories and just put things where they're not supposed to be and what is the purpose of it?

Megan:

Yeah. That's when I get into my conspiracy theories, that's the question I always have is why. A lot of 'em, it's pretty clear to see why somebody would, I get it, but this why, why the lying.

Katiuscia:

Mm-hmm. There's just not a purpose for it, I don't think,

Megan:

other than they're trying to gaslight all of us into thinking we're all crazy.

Katiuscia:

Mm-hmm.

Megan:

For future control

Katiuscia:

projects.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

Future moves. And projects because if you get us all questioning our sanity and what we know, well, that's everything I know. How is everything I know the opposite way or a lie at that point, you have such an in for vulnerability of people because they've already torn down their own mind that you've given them the tools of manipulating. The the truth that is, it's not their truth. I don't like that. Their truth bullshit.

Megan:

No,

Katiuscia:

but it's the truth. Yeah. And you're manipulating it. So now they're questioning, wait a minute, is this just my, that's when it does come in where it makes zero sense. So they've already broken down their own mind because of something that's now on the internet. Everything that's scrubbed, what's the purpose of scrubbing it?

Megan:

Well, and that's what cult leaders do.

Katiuscia:

They change your real, it's your reality. Mm-hmm. So they're manipulating your reality. So I feel like that's what's happening to us on a daily basis. Maybe slow and steady, almost a drip campaign, a drip poison, just slowly.

Megan:

Well, it's the frog in boiling water, right? Where the frog gets in a pot of water and it's just room temperature, water, and it's no big deal. And they turn it up a little bit. Degree by degree. And the frog just never really, like he gets a little hot, but then he gets accustomed to it degree by degree and they keep going and they keep going until the frog is boiled alive. But he never jumps out because he didn't notice the heat going up.'cause it was so slow.

Katiuscia:

That's super fucks up.

Megan:

A lot of abusers do that, which is why when people are like, well how come they didn't just leave because they were the frog in the pot of boiling water? Wow. And. Cult leaders do it. It's a super manipulative tactic. And like you said, it makes, they make 'em question their own reality.'cause if it's my memory versus your memory, but I can prove it because I've scrubbed the whole internet. You must be crazy. So,

Katiuscia:

oh,

Megan:

and then you go, well, am I crazy? Well, now I can't argue and fight back because maybe I'm crazy. Maybe I am unstable in my memory.

Katiuscia:

The frog in the boiling water thing is really hitting me hard, so I guess Thank you for that.

Megan:

You're so welcome.

Katiuscia:

Yeah. The bigger question for me is, aside from control, what is the purpose of having people this malleable, I guess, in your brain or of the mind? What are you planning, but really who's planning it? Who's orchestrating it? Who has the power to scrub the internet?

Megan:

I mean, not the deep state. Are

Katiuscia:

we talking like Bill Gates? Shit?

Megan:

Probably.

Katiuscia:

Okay.

Megan:

I, and I feel like they're using,

Katiuscia:

don't come at me.

Megan:

Right. We're gonna get shut down before we even get started. You don't, don't

Katiuscia:

even use windows. Don't come at me.

Megan:

I feel like it's, they use the little tiny things like the logo on your undies or just these little tiny insignificant things.'cause then that makes you feel even crazier.

Katiuscia:

Where you notice it's outta place. Yeah. So again, I guess going back to Truman's show, which was a really interesting show.

Megan:

That movie freaked me right The fuck out?

Katiuscia:

Yeah. Yeah.

Megan:

That movie broke my brain.

Katiuscia:

But sometimes, honestly, I feel like we're kind of in, oh, it's a

Megan:

total simulation,

Katiuscia:

a very

Megan:

big.

Katiuscia:

Little simulation over here. Mm-hmm. Because things like this where you're manipulating memories and erasing the proof. Therefore, when I'm in a debate and I wanna argue this out with someone, now I do look crazy because I don't have the proof that I always knew I had. Yeah. So that's why I say to anyone who's holding this shit in their safes and they have it, you better watch your identities because it's terrifying. What would anyone do to protect. They're this right? Something of this nature and this magnitude, collectively trying to control a mass amount of the population, right?

Megan:

Mm-hmm.

Katiuscia:

It's just really interesting and very crazy. But the Ed McMahon thing, to me, there's no bigger proof that I've been lying to than the ED McMahon.

Megan:

Is Ed McMahon still alive? He can't be right?

Katiuscia:

I don't think so.

Megan:

Did he ever come out and. Address that.

Katiuscia:

I think he maybe let's Google,

Megan:

but which you have whole astronauts saying, Nope, we never went to the moon. Which will be a whole other episode, but, and everybody gaslighting them and saying, oh, you're just a crazy old man.

Katiuscia:

So it says he was a spokesperson for American family Publishers, a competitor. Of Publishers Clearinghouse that ran similar sweepstakes and is now defunct. The two companies were often confused. However, again, there's things that you say shenanigan, you can be swayed on certain things. I can't be swayed on that. Mm-hmm. It was the magnitude of getting a check. The magnitude of that whole event was too great to have it be confused with another competing company.

Megan:

How many of us stayed home sick from school watching the prices? Right. And Judge Waner, and that was the commercial that was on tv.

Katiuscia:

Wow. Judge Wapner. Nice. Good. That was a good one.

Megan:

Thank you.

Katiuscia:

The throwback.

Megan:

But it's just, it's a core memory. Yeah. For so many of us.

Katiuscia:

Right. I think I realized I don't like people in my shit, in my mind, in my government. Control stuff. I want small government, what we've always wanted, but this is just manipulation of a really sick way.

Megan:

Mm-hmm.

Katiuscia:

Because I just don't understand why I don't understand.

Megan:

Well, and I said something about Thanksgiving being the third Thursday to somebody. I had a meeting the other day and I said it to her. She looked at me like I had a dick grown outta my forehead. No girl. It has always been the fourth Thursday, and I was like, no, it has not. And now she thinks I'm crazy.

Katiuscia:

Did you Google, did you try to find the deep dive on that?

Megan:

Yeah, I did. And I'll tell you what I found,

Katiuscia:

but again, we're Googling, we're putting our faith in the internet.

Megan:

Yeah, it's, when it's been scribed, it says Thanksgiving. Used to be celebrated on the third Thursday of November for a few years. Traditionally, since 1863, president Lincoln set Thanksgiving as the last Thursday. Of November, but in 1939, November had five Thursdays to give the struggling economy more time for holiday shopping. During the Great Depression, FDR moved Thanksgiving up one week to the third Thursday, which caused confusion. Some states celebrated on the old date and some on the new. Roosevelt continued This in 40 and 41. But then in 1941, Congress passed a law signed by FDR officially making Thanksgiving the fourth Thursday, starting in 1942. So I for sure was not around in 1942. No. So I think it's absolute malarkey.

Katiuscia:

So here's my thought process. The only reason, aside from control of some kind, that we're still trying to figure out what's the future project that you're trying to manipulate us all for. And I think what I just realized was AI is taking over all of our shit. So what better way to allow AI to come into a society and the workforce and anything you can think of Then proving that the people's minds are not reliable and that. Something changed. Not that we made you unreliable because we mentally mind fucked you to understand your own reality. But what better way to integrate AI than, like I said, I'm seeing a surge of this Mandela effect stuff where people are very angry and very upset and very confused. So if we all have that. Collective experience of our false shared memories. Mm-hmm. Which is stupid'cause it's not false. It's real. It just makes sense. It makes sense that it would be for ai.

Megan:

Yeah, it does.

Katiuscia:

Because ai man, it's coming. It's, it's, it is here.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

AI is here and it's here to party and there are things, don't get me wrong, I love getting into chat, GPT for stuff. Make it more concise, make it more this, polish it more, whatever it is. And it does. And as a writer we love writing, but sometimes if you just want a little finagle, you still have to double check everything. But chat, GPT does a really great job. Right?

Megan:

Sure.

Katiuscia:

So I'm okay with it, but is chat GPT going to be better than the human brain?

Megan:

No.

Katiuscia:

I mean, it won't have emotions, obviously. It won't have that. I

Megan:

mean, some human brains don't have emotions either, but that's true. I don't think so because I don't think that, I don't think chat GBT can do anything. It hasn't already been fed. I don't think it can paint a painting that it hasn't already seen. I think the human mind has so much creativity and I just don't think that AI can get there.

Katiuscia:

All right, but what if it wasn't AI getting it, getting there on its own? And what if it was

Megan:

some evil genius behind the controls?

Katiuscia:

Now I'm really gonna rabbit hole.

Megan:

Mm-hmm.

Katiuscia:

But that's what this is all about. I just heard a podcast recently that this guy had all these crazy experiences and was injected with super human, almost stuff that made him able to do. Anything. And I always think of movies like the

Megan:

The Born Identity.

Katiuscia:

Huh?

Megan:

Like the Born Identity?

Katiuscia:

Yeah. Or Deadpool. Oh yeah. Where they're creating these super hero mutants. Right. Okay. I am not saying, do you think

Megan:

they're throwing us Easter eggs?

Katiuscia:

I am not saying we're all mutants obviously, but I am saying, and I'm I guess opening the question, what if that shit isn't completely false?

Megan:

Well, I think once you really go down some rabbit holes and you start believing that, 'cause there are people who are listening to this like you guys, that's just, that's just coincidence or that's just.

Katiuscia:

Yeah, sure.

Megan:

Fluffy.

Katiuscia:

Mm-hmm.

Megan:

But once you see it and you start believing that there are no coincidences, and once you see manipulation like that, it's really hard to unsee and then you start seeing it everywhere.

Katiuscia:

So that's what I'm saying. What if AI can't see anything that it's can't report on anything that it's never seen. But what if you have these people that have been injected with this crazy superhuman chip? Okay. We had to take a water break'cause Katha was choking. Ha, I'm alive. So it's, it's the deep state

Megan:

coming to get you

Katiuscia:

just in everything I say. It's literally in my words. So that podcast was very disturbing, but it was very fascinating. But I think it was so disturbing because of the content and he was talking about there is old. Let's call 'em societies, maybe borderline cults. I really, I really think you should hear it.

Megan:

Okay.

Katiuscia:

He was talking about back in even World War ii. Mm-hmm. Germany, these soldiers, people were injected with stuff that made them almost super human. There were facets of maybe military also. So when I think of that, and I think that, okay. Chat. GPT isn't gonna report on it. But what if that person that's been injected with all that superhero shit, or superhuman, excuse me, is downloaded almost. Sure. So now that's what makes me think, gosh, our computers, is AI going to be smarter than us. Again, it will never have the human connection because it will never have that sympathy, empathy, ability to connect.

Megan:

Do we think that. Hollywood is throwing us little Easter eggs, almost like taunting us, like you're saying. There's movies about this, so the realm of possibility that it could be really happening, and they're just making movies about shit that's really happening. That's how I feel about The Truman Show because the Truman Show and Ed TV came out at the same time, and it was both about these people who had whole reality shows about their whole lives. And is that them just being like, it's really a simulation, but you'll never know. You'll look crazy if you say it. Are they just throwing those things out at us to make us look even crazier, even though it's real?

Katiuscia:

How many things do they say about, gosh, this was on The Simpsons so many years ago.

Megan:

Oh, the Simpsons is wild. It's wild. I have seen a few that were like engineered and that weren't really true.'cause you can go back and watch it. People have gone back and watched

Katiuscia:

okay.

Megan:

DVDs of it and it wasn't true. But a lot of it is true. So I fully believe I have believed since college, and the Simpson started when I was in elementary school, and I believed since college that Matt Graining is from the future I have. You can call me crazy, but I fucking believe it.

Katiuscia:

Who's that?

Megan:

The creator of The Simpsons. Oh, he's from the future.

Katiuscia:

Oh,

Megan:

there is no other explanation. And he probably just pops back into the future when they try to get him and then comes back to make another episode and then just pops back.

Katiuscia:

That's nuts

Megan:

because he is from the Eugene Springfield, Oregon area, which is where I went to college. I lived in an apartment behind the bar that is the template for MO'S Bar.

Katiuscia:

Oh.

Megan:

It's not that exceptional of a place. And I've never met him. I don't know him, but I just, there's, how could he know all of those things? It's wild.

Katiuscia:

So when you think of this whole Mandela effect and Okay, we've established that it's probably for control for future project.

Megan:

Mm-hmm.

Katiuscia:

Why? Because for the future of AI to be able to take over and prove that the human mind isn't as reliable. As maybe we all thought it was, but how there's some super human person that's been downloaded into these AI platforms, okay. Into they have to have a database of all of this, right? You have to have this knowledge stored somewhere. Okay. So I just think of that and okay,

Megan:

but so in their downloaded brain. If they're downloading all the things in their download a brain. Does the monopoly man have a monocle?

Katiuscia:

I thought he did. I really do,

Megan:

but you know what I mean? Which part are they downloading? Which timeline are they downloading into his brain?

Katiuscia:

They're, oh, well, they're obviously downloading the new memories, the new. Proof online because that's what everyone has to fight against. That's what we have to come up and combat and debate. No, we have the proof. No, I have this original monopoly set from 1987, whatever it is. I've got the fruit of the loom in my safe. The Berenstein bears. You have to have that physical proof, and that's why I'm saying watch your back because if you have that physical proof, I mean, what movie was it? Did you? There were so, there's so many movies also that just talk on this, so I just find it weird. Everything that happens has been a theme in a movie, but now it's coming to reality. Mm-hmm. So it just makes sense. I think we've gotten to a point in life where nothing is farfetched anymore.

Megan:

Exactly.

Katiuscia:

And that's terrifying.

Megan:

Once you see it, you can't unsee it. There are no coincidences. Believe everything and nothing,

Katiuscia:

I believe nothing. Yeah. Because. I just don't, I have zero trust anymore. Why? When everything that I've trusted is clearly not the way that it either was supposed to be or the way I'm supposed to remember it. But then what is my pur? What's the purpose for each individual? So then, then you get on a deep, deep rabbit hole of purpose of life, and why am I here if nothing is real?

Megan:

That's a question for Agamemnon.

Katiuscia:

I know. I know.

Megan:

I think that that's why Disney would. Release movies and then pull 'em back,

Katiuscia:

put 'em in the vault.

Megan:

Yeah. With the hopes that kids, I mean, 'cause VHS were notoriously kind of fragile.

Katiuscia:

Mm-hmm.

Megan:

Not like A DVD, but I mean, they broke, they got lost, they got left in somebody's minivan and baked in the heat. I think that. They were counting on the planned obsolescence of those individual movies.

Katiuscia:

There was a lot of adult innuendos

Megan:

in those. Those, oh my gosh.

Katiuscia:

I thought those were hilarious. As I started to be in my teens, I would notice this. My favorite was The Little Mermaid.

Megan:

Oh yeah. The Little Mermaid and Aladdin were just ridiculous.

Katiuscia:

So obvious. And then I went from, because I had all of the original mm-hmm. VHSs for Disney, and then I got the DVDs. And I'm pretty sure when I was packing to move, I got rid of Hmm. Because they were probably in a box somewhere and I thought, just get rid of them. You don't need the VHSs. So I got rid of all those Disney VHS, which now I'm sure would've gone for. A pretty penny on eBay or something to prove this, to prove the theory. But I remember then in the DVD of Little Mermaid, the priest didn't have that happen. Oh yeah. He didn't get excited at the wedding where he did in the VHS. And that's something when you noticed that in eighth grade or so.

Megan:

Oh,

Katiuscia:

we were, we were a child.

Megan:

Yeah, it was, that was a fun Friday night we'd all get together at somebody's house who had all the VHS.

Katiuscia:

Yeah.

Megan:

And go through and watch 'em. My giggle. Oh my gosh. Giggles.

Katiuscia:

Yeah.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

So all of those things that makes sense about the vault.'cause then it would be a huge

Megan:

marketing because

Katiuscia:

it's not

Megan:

like Disney's super clean and above the board. Don't sue us,

Katiuscia:

don't sue us. We still wanna come visit. But the marketing of the vault release was huge. Yeah. The first time in 20 years. Little mermaids being released from the vault and you're like,

Megan:

oh,

Katiuscia:

get it. Get that copy. Wait. It's different. Dirty liars, everybody. So that's my thing. I don't like questioning things I already know. These are just normal memories. These aren't even massive things that are gonna change the world. But like you said, they're these little things. Mm-hmm. That if something little is out of place, you're like, wait, you chuck it up to, I must have, I guess I just forgot that it was like that. If it was just you. Yeah, but the fact that it's everybody, we're not all crazy from all over the world. We're not all crazy. We saw what we saw and we remember that. So just stop trying to make us feel crazy. Whoever's scrubbing everything and lying to everyone. I know who it's,

Megan:

I think we all know who it's,

Katiuscia:

we all know who it's, it's just not cool.

Megan:

No.

Katiuscia:

It's the power. And I think that's just a central thing that you and I always talk about is. The manipulation. Mm-hmm. Right. We've talked about it with every situation you can including, I mean, our cult is very different because it's also coming from a place of love, a place of love and harmony and utopia. But the manipulation on this kind of level, to me, I can't understand it, and I don't like that feeling. I don't like that confusion because I'm the person who likes. Order and knowing what's going on, and I don't have to be in control of everything. I like things in a particular way, but it's not that I have to be in control of every situation, but basic entry level, bottom line, shit like this. A Fruit of the Loom logo, a Publisher's Clearing house, and Ed McMahon, I will go down with that ship that's,

Megan:

that's my Bernstein Bears.

Katiuscia:

Yeah,

Megan:

that's the hill I'm gonna die on. Somebody's gonna die on it.

Katiuscia:

I don't like my mind being manipulated. And I feel

Megan:

no. And it's so subtle. Like any good, good manipulation, it's so subtle that it's hard to call out sometimes.'cause a really skilled manipulator, cult leader, abuser, whoever can turn that back around on you so fast. And if you're already feeling confused or maybe on unsure footing. You'll topple over real easily. And how do you prove that you remember something? They don't even know where memories are stored in the brain. Where are memory stored? Nobody knows. Are they in your brain? Where in your brain they don't know? There's some research that says maybe memories are stored in the heart, the actual heart organ, but they can't prove it. They don't know. Where are your dreams? Where do those come from? Where do they go? They don't know.

Katiuscia:

So dementia, when people get dementia, have they been able to figure, like correlate that with a certain area of the brain or,

Megan:

I don't know. I've heard Alzheimer's be called diabetes type three, so it may not actually be about the brain at all. What.

Katiuscia:

I like that we wanted to do something fun and lighthearted and just interesting. Got real deep about the Mandela Effect and oh, those Bernstein bears and that fruit of the loom, and now I'm scared shitless of who's watching, who's in control, what I'm being planned to do. Oh my gosh, the biggest thing ever. It's not a Mandela effect, but it's the same concept of. That subliminal messaging. Mm-hmm. Just, you don't even know what's happening. So there

Megan:

was a Simpsons episode about that,

Katiuscia:

about subliminal messaging. Mm-hmm. So I listen to this meditation app. Okay. And to sleep. So I fall asleep to this meditation app. It's free. There's millions of people who use it. It's really great. I love it. I will use it. I go through periods where I don't sleep for. Almost months on end. So typically when I get to a point that I've gone a few weeks without solid sleep, I'll have to take some kind of medicine to help me at least shut off and fall asleep. But then this actually helps get me to sleep and stay for a while. So the meditation that I like listening to, he has a very soothing voice. It goes for an hour and 45 minutes.

Megan:

Have you ever consciously listened to the whole thing?

Katiuscia:

No. So here's,

Megan:

so what is he telling you in your sleep?

Katiuscia:

Thank you. This is what I have warned a lot of people already, so if I haven't warned you yet, apparently not consider this the warning to everybody. I know what that whole meditation is about, maybe until minute 25. And then I think I conk out. If you ever see me in a Home Depot buying a backpack full of nails. What's

Megan:

your

Katiuscia:

activation

Megan:

phrase?

Katiuscia:

Just know that I am not a sleeper cell. Okay. Help me, I'm, I'm just wondering if these apps, I don't know what they're saying, so I really want to listen to it all, but then I also, what if it puts me right to sleep? I was

Megan:

gonna say, you can't listen to all your driving. What

Katiuscia:

if

Megan:

I'm

Katiuscia:

driving?

Megan:

Just pass out on the freeway?

Katiuscia:

What if it's a, what if there's a word? What if I'm gonna be triggered like that? All of a sudden you see Catusa and she's doing some crazy shit. Call the cops. Just grab me. I don't even know. I don't know the word. So it is a little scary. But when I think of, it's when

Megan:

somebody plays Frankie goes to Hollywood. Relax

Katiuscia:

real. Yeah, exactly. Siouxland all over. It's gonna happen to me, but I also think. There's millions of people that listen to this app and it's free, right?

Megan:

Mm-hmm.

Katiuscia:

So how are you getting money from this app? Now you can donate and support the person you like, you can give to the app, but there's no obligation. They're selling

Megan:

information,

Katiuscia:

okay? They're selling my information, but also. Millions of cool,

Megan:

but like he was buying our information still. Who doesn't already have our information? How is that still like I thought it was pretty a marketable asset.

Katiuscia:

I know. I thought it was pretty out there. I'm just saying if I wanted to persuade and maybe we should look into kind of an app or our cult because we can also do something like this and make it a little more persuasive. Never violent. We're not violent people, but. Money to persuade you to give. I've never given to this app, so it's not persuading me on a financial

Megan:

mm-hmm.

Katiuscia:

Exploitation level. But I don't know if I'm ever going to have a code word that sets me off and just be activated. And I'm sorry that I admitted that, but it's just something I feel like everyone should maybe be aware of. And that's all I have to say about that. Pray for me. I'm still listening to that app though. It just puts me to sleep. So there

Megan:

you go. Whatever works.

Katiuscia:

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think that, I think that this needs to be over today because now I'm disturbed.

Megan:

Okay.

Katiuscia:

So whatever to everyone, but have a good day.

Megan:

Have a good day to everyone, except for the people who think that noodles plus ketchup equals spaghetti.

Katiuscia:

Ew, all but you.

Megan:

Bye.