#21: Unpacking the Whiteness Narrative

What does the “whiteness narrative” actually mean — and who benefits from how it’s being framed?
Carmen is back with us to unpack how conversations around whiteness, power, identity, and guilt have evolved in modern culture — and where nuance is often lost in the process.
We explore how broad narratives shape personal identity, social dynamics, media messaging, and public discourse, and ask whether these frameworks encourage understanding — or shut down meaningful conversation altogether.
It’s a thoughtful discussion about language, culture, accountability, and the consequences of flattening complex human experiences into rigid narratives.
If you’ve ever felt confused, hesitant, or pressured to agree without questioning — we invite you to think deeper.

01:31 Social Media Influence and Manufactured Hate
03:36 Merit-Based Systems vs. Diversity
07:06 Racism and Historical Context
10:27 Cultural Appreciation and Division
18:00 Immigration and Border Control
23:37 Illegal Immigration and Crime
24:22 Human Trafficking and Open Borders
27:54 COVID-19 and Social Experimentation
31:30 Media Influence and Public Perception
39:09 Personal Responsibility and Meritocracy

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Transcript

0:06

Don't even bother.

megan: 0:07

We're good. Everyone we got. We got regular Carmen back today. Which is very exciting. Hey, hey, hey, hey now. Hey girl. Hey, hey. I wanted to ask when I have a, okay, there we go. I wanted to ask you ladies, if you have heard about this new pandemic. Apparently that's called whiteness. Oh, whiteness is the worst. Oh my God. Is there a vaccine for that? They're developing one. Apparently. I almost just made a really inappropriate joke. Let's wait for Fauci to come out with the, Whiteness vaccine. Fauci as white as they come. Fauci is the worst white though. It's just something that's been going on for so long. This hate of, I mean, we're all. We're all white. your family, you're not white American, right? I am born in America, but my family came here as immigrants. Same with you. everybody's family has come here, but this pressure and this hate for race. But I will say, I. Being half Irish and half Swedish. I'm about as white as white can be. So I will throw that caveat on there. I feel like as Italian and Basque, you may not be like, as, you know, white, white, white, white got more flavor. I just more flavor, more spicy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm getting a little tired of, you know, legacy media, social media, perpetuating this hate, and now you've got these, it's just young kids are hearing this, everyone. Hate on men, which Megan and I talked about with authenticity. Just this toxic femininity shitting on men. But that's a legit thing. Yeah. A lot of people aren't really, listen, if I'm gonna hate somebody, it's 'cause they earned it. Yeah. I don't care what, who, what color they are. Yeah. Or what gender They're of the two genders.

carmen: 2:01

Mm-hmm.

megan: 2:03

But you'll, if you earn it, you get it.

katiuscia: 2:05

Well, and the thing is that unhealed people are ready to be offended. Mm-hmm. At just about anything, right? Yep. They're looking for that trigger to be offended and it seems like, oh, I'm gonna jump on the racism bandwagon and this is what I'm gonna be offended about because it seems to be the trending and the easiest thing to be offended about, and. As we know, being offended is that bottom shelf. Mm-hmm. Like you're talking about that bottom shelf emotion. And once you're offended, I can grasp onto my victim hood myness of willingness. That's the word you guys I'm gonna make. It's a word now. New oneness, unspoken

megan: 2:49

ness.

katiuscia: 2:50

That feeling of. Being a victim. Yeah. And if I can be a victim, then I'm gonna feel important, and then I'm gonna have groups behind me helping me perpetuate this victimhood. so yeah, I'm unhealed so I'm gonna go try to find this thing to fill this emptiness and it's the attention I'm gonna get. And right now it's the white man, bad

megan: 3:17

pandemic, especially white men. Particularly. Mm-hmm. More than any other group, I think has been really vilified.

katiuscia: 3:24

Yeah.

megan: 3:25

Like it's not the 17 hundreds. No. Right. But it's also, we go back to just what's been going on in society the past so many years at this point. And you have the merit based, anything being removed mm-hmm. For the sake of diversity, but I don't. Listen, I want diversity because it's just more fun to be different, right? Everyone has something different. They come from a different culture, a different background, a different country, whatever it may be. Everyone's contributing, but when you're talking about a merit based system, you want the best qualified. I don't care who you are. I don't care where you're from. I don't care about any of it, but it's when they start to make everything just. Remove merit from it and make it all about where you're from and the fact that you, you should not, cannot be white. You look at the kids that were the students for the Ivy Leagues, They weren't even accepting these genius white kids jobs weren't hiring for qualified white men. And that was a very big thing. We will not even look at, you know, the application if it's this, whatever, if it's, and if it's a white man, and I have friends that kind of fell into that. They were, I guess they were the recipients of that. I'm not even gonna call them victims of it, because even my white male friends who that happened to, they're not bitches about it. You know? They're just, oh, this is what happened and this is why I didn't get it. I was the most qualified and it still got passed over for someone who had no experience, who was a different race, whatever it may be, So all of these things that I just think enough, are we back now? Do we think that maybe this year, I mean, I know a lot of things are back. Just in terms of being a little more free and we can talk about what we wanna talk about without, because we were all pushed to a point where now we're over it that we're like, well, I have a voice too. But do we think it's getting better? I hope it is. I hope so. Well, it's like the difference between equality and equity, right? Like it equality is everybody has the same chance. Or the same opportunity and equity is everybody gets the same outcome, which is socialism, which is, or communism, which is bullshit. And yeah, if you work harder than somebody else, you should get more than somebody else. You, I mean, that's equality. That's a merit based system, and that's what America's about, which is the beauty of the thing. Yeah. Yeah. Talking

katiuscia: 5:52

to you Boeing.

megan: 5:54

Yeah.

katiuscia: 5:54

Yeah.

megan: 5:56

Because I don't want, I mean, okay, if you're, you know, a sandwich artist, then go ahead and hire that DEI hire. But when it's somebody flying a plane, somebody doing brain surgery, somebody do like really kind of life or death things. I want the most qualified person, regardless of their skin color, regardless of their genitalia. Like, let's, let's have the most skilled people. That's important to me. That's crucial. Yeah. In anything. And so when we were talking about this earlier, and it's been on my mind too, just weighing heavily. This goes back to, gosh, when we grew up, nobody got offended. Like they get offended now. Now everybody's offended.

carmen: 6:40

Mm-hmm.

megan: 6:40

Right? Like. Everything. You have to be careful of what you say because you don't wanna offend this person. You gotta accommodate this. No, no, no. Take it back. Old school, the new generations need to learn that. You have to have tough skin and you have to be able to not take everything so personally, because in doing that, you're making everything about you and nobody likes that. But we didn't get offended. And then I started to realize right over the past that the. Person, the movement, I would say in the country, especially where it became more focused on race and racism, like trying to bring it to the front, forward facing, bring it back to the front was Obama.

carmen: 7:24

Absolutely.

katiuscia: 7:24

Yeah. And now the beauty of that is that Michelle Obama.

megan: 7:31

Big Mike is

katiuscia: 7:33

Michelle. Michelle Obama is on podcasts and doing speeches about how white people this than white, and I'm just, you are perpetuating this and feeding it, feeding this narrative that then people listen to and they're like, maybe we are racist.

megan: 7:51

Well, I have news for you, Michelle. I also have to spend time straightening my curly hair.

katiuscia: 7:57

Mm-hmm. Like, yeah. That's not exclusively a black lady problem. I know. I don't like, I know black hair is different than white hair, but like your Italian hair is different than my hair. Like it does. Who get a fucking grip. My daughter can't even form like an articulate argument 'cause it makes me so annoyed so bad. This one is seen, this hair not straightened, but my daughter has the kinky red. She's just like, no, I'm not. I think it's been straightened twice in her life. I love it. Yeah.

megan: 8:30

Yeah. My younger daughter has straight, it is beautiful, really curly hair and she, every now and then she'll say, well straight my hair. And then two days later she's like, no, I need my curls back. And I love it. Mine's not that organized. Mm. When I let my hair air dry, it is a little bit of a cluster buddy. It's a hot mess. Some pieces are straight, some pieces are white. It doesn't know what it's doing. It's very on brand. It's got a mind of its own. It does. So we just, and that's just regulate it as best as we can. Yeah. Michelle Obama loves to perpetuate all this shit all the time. This hate, again, like from white people towards black people. And I just think Michelle, I literally grew up in a time where I don't give a shit. I had all friends of every color because I don't look at that because you should be teaching children to look at the person who it is and not separate it. If you talk to a baby child, you know, just learning things, child. They don't, they can't differentiate who they're playing with. It's just their, it's their friend. Yeah. It's in school. Are you cool? Yeah. Yeah. Are you cool? Can I play with you? Will you let me play with your Barbies? Whatever it may be. That's how kids do it, and I feel this is a very manmade thing. Mm-hmm. First of all, in terms of people putting these beliefs on kids. But it's just also something that we were fine for for a few decades. We were fine in terms of how we grew up and how we kind of came into adulthood and then all of a sudden Obama gets in and when she was talking about the hair thing, but she also said, it's 'cause we're not ready for her, for a female president. When someone asked if she was gonna run, well throw up a good candidate, but almost. As if she was going to be the nominee. What have you done? Yeah. What have you done to be, yeah. Be married to a president. Does it make you automatically qualified to be able to run a Hillary? Exactly. Exactly. Well, and in my junior high, they were so psychotic about diversity that then as an adult, I was so. Weird around other people because it was like, you're colorblind. You're colorblind, you have to be colorblind. And then it was like, I don't know how to, I don't know how to talk to you. And so now I have friends, um, like I used to work with this gal who's tomorrow, she's from Saipan, which tomorrow people are from like Guam and Saipan and Okay. Um, she would take me to. Barbecues with all these Chamorro people, and I got to ask questions and learn and they were just like, yeah, come on in here, white girl. What's, what's this food? What's this food? What's this food? And that's so cool. And I missed out on a lot of that because they were so indoctrinating about you. Like they tried that we don't see color. It's okay to see color and appreciate it for what it is. Like I have Mexican coworkers who will come, yes, come help us make tamales. We'll show you what it's about. Don't put too much hot sauce in there, you little white girl, you know? And it's fine. And we can give each other a hard time and they can make fun of me of trying to pronounce things and, and it's fine. And nobody gets offended. But I think that learning about each other's cultures is, does not fuel the division that they need because when we're divided, then we're not paying attention to what's really going on.

carmen: 11:52

Hmm. It's this idea of tribalism. Mm-hmm. And that is gonna take us backwards. Obama started moving us backwards. Right. Taking us back to the fifties and sixties of being separated. And, and it's okay to have your tribe

megan: 12:10

and your people and your, you know, but then you can also learn about other. Other cultures and that's okay. And recognize the differences. Like we've talked about, men and women are different and I love those differences'cause we found out that men who act like women piss me off more than anything. Oh

katiuscia: 12:28

man.

megan: 12:28

And so be different. Yes, that's totally fine. But appreciate and celebrate those differences. And you can give each other, you know, a hard to, like the military is the most greatest example of that. It's merit based at the core. They're try, they tried for a long time to not make it merit based, but like. It doesn't matter. You could be some corned white boy from the, you know, BFE Alabama, and you could end up being best friends with some black guy from Philly. And it doesn't matter that you came from completely different places, but you don't have to be the same. They don't like that. No, they don't like that. But I love the different cultures. Yeah. This is why I'm such a huge advocate for traveling to different countries because you get to immerse yourself in different cultures and learn why they're different. You find the things that you love about maybe your own culture or country, all of the things you'll see all of it. It's just nobody does that. Nobody learns that if they don't go explore, if they're not open or receptive to other countries, cultures, people learning about why. All of the things, but you have these narratives that are continuously pushed, and I'm still confused as to how we all know that this is being pushed and yet it's still going on. So it's, Hey, uh, legacy media. Hey, you know, commentators that are now getting on social media or politicians trying to be cool on TikTok. We know that you're frauds, we see through it, but I think it's almost the damage has been done because those of us who know, know, like we know. Then those of them who just keep focusing on those other shows, those other stations, they are still very much ingrained in that belief of, well, white people are the problem, da da da, da, whatever it may be. And that's how you had this whole movement. And people still talk about it, about getting reparations. I'm like, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you benefit. How are you benefiting? Where in that line do you fall? Yeah. And you deserve reparations. Yeah. Well, and you talk about who really started slavery, but like who wants to go back and you are this percent this, but if you're this percent white, do you have to pay yourself? And like, it's not like the Irish were real well loved when they came over here, you know? And my family didn't even get here till the 19 hundreds. So. Should I have to pay anything? Like do I get paid for the potato famine? It's, it's ridiculous.

carmen: 15:06

Right. Or the, the soldiers in the Civil War. Yeah. Do they get reparations? Yeah.'cause they, they fought and died for that effort to free the slaves. Do they get reparations? do I get some from my mother's side? Hmm. Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. If we're gonna go there, let's really talk about it. Let's talk about this inconvenient history that, you know, it's just not talked about in the classrooms anymore. Unless you get that one teacher who's like, I'm not following what they're telling me to teach. We're gonna talk about what really happened in history, and that's how we got here, right? People like Obama, um, media, who, all the media outlets, the legacy media, they're all following this script of. Let's talk about history. What we want you to know, right? And the real history is being lost. The education in that is being lost and really understanding what really happened. Then you're at risk of repeating it, which is what happened. And Obama started us down that road again of repeating this racism, the separation among each other. It's being repeated because people don't really understand or they don't remember what happened the first time around and now we're destined to repeat it. That's the whole point

katiuscia: 16:25

of history. Yep. Is you have to, that's why it's there to learn to not repeat it, but it was. The whole tearing down the statues, changing the names of bases, changing the names of schools, changing the name of everything to try to eliminate it. Why?'cause you're ashamed. It shit happens. I'm sorry. That's how countries are founded and settled and all of the horrors that go into the back, the behind the scenes of it. And you can't just erase it because it's literally part of your history. Then you have everyone that's pushing this new stuff. And that's what I'm saying, what's going on in schools. Schools terrify me just for, from not having kids, but also knowing that one of the kids today is going to be a leader in the future. That terrifies me because I think, what the fuck are you guys being taught? Not the right shit. So that's terrifying. Yeah. On many levels it really is, but easy times bring. Hardworking children in the next generation. Right? So I think there's a little bit of hope there. Wait, hold on. How does that go

megan: 17:34

so hard Times. Hard times. Create strong men. Strong men create easy times. Easy times create weak men. Weak men create hard times. There you go. That's the that

katiuscia: 17:44

circle it back to we're in the hard times. We are or are we Between the weak man and hard times. I we're between weak man. I think we're.

megan: 17:50

And so I think we're having to raise up the strong people. We talked about the culture, the different cultures, and appreciating and loving the cultures. And I'm just gonna say it, what's been going on with the attacks on ice agents doing their job? The reason we're in this predicament world is because for so many years we had open borders and who, who came in? Like who knows who came in? So, I'm sorry. But we want a country with borders. Mm-hmm. That's it. And I'm, I'm so annoyed with the protests and the people with the apps now that are warning other people about ICE officers and then the illegal immigrants who kill people. And the legacy news doesn't talk about it because it doesn't fit their narrative like in any way, shape, or form. If the Maryland man gets taken, oh gosh. Yeah. That's national travesty and everyone's gonna uproar what? It's just, it's a wild,

katiuscia: 18:56

it's a wild thing to me as a first generation American. I am very thankful to my dad for coming here the right way and going through those steps that were, no, not easy. It would've been easy for him to just come over here and work and fly under the radar and get married, have kids, and never going through the steps to come here legally. he did that because he thought about his future family. He thought about me and he knew that there would be a risk of, gosh, they're gonna find me and they're gonna send me back and I'm not gonna be able to come back. So thank you dad for doing that the right way. And this whole idea of white privilege. I'm sorry, my father was a sheep herder. There is no privilege in that. He worked his ass off and thank you for that. He taught all of his kids how to work, how to not be afraid of hard work. We've never been on any kind of government assistance, never, um, you know, worked 40 to 60 hours a week. All of us have in our jobs, and because our dad's. My dad taught us how to do that because when you have problems, you go to work. That's what you do. Privilege had nothing to do with it, but he is a huge proponent for ice. My point is he's a huge proponent for that because these people are coming over here and maybe they, will have a better life here. No doubt, but do it the right way. Don't do it illegally. And there were four years of terrorists crossing our border and we're finding out about them now. We have been, we're looking into them, but they're here to hurt us. And you are living under a rock if you think that these groups are not coming together and working on plants to attack us and take us down from the inside. Absolutely.

megan: 20:56

So

carmen: 20:56

be smart about it. Don't hide from it. This is happening. This is why ICE is out there doing the job they're doing to protect us. At the end of the day, it's not about feelings or the color of the skin of, the people that are being removed Here. It's about our safety and what country doesn't have borders.

megan: 21:19

Well, and the people who want open borders, do you leave your front door wide open all the time? I mean, if you, if you close and lock your front door, then why? Why? Why are you doing that? Are you racist? Like it's just a microcosm of the nation as a whole. Good fences make good neighbors.

katiuscia: 21:41

Right. And I'm gonna judge who comes into my home. Yeah. Oh, you're not supposed to judge. Jesus said to love everybody. Yeah. But I'm gonna judge a crazy person coming into my home. Mm-hmm. I'm not gonna let you in my home. I'm gonna protect my family. Yeah. My husband's gonna protect his family. We're not gonna let just anybody in here. yeah. Love you. Love you, brother. But yeah, go get some help. I'll pray for you.

megan: 22:03

Yeah.

katiuscia: 22:04

I can help you find some resources, but you need to

megan: 22:06

hang out in my

katiuscia: 22:06

house. Right. But you're not coming to my house. Yeah.

megan: 22:08

Yeah. I would like to point out that whoever voted for Trump in the last election, this is a huge part of what we voted for. Yeah. Yes, it is. And like I said, unfortunately, sometimes things are messy. But it's really only the results. This is cause and effect. You don't like how it's happening, but you didn't say anything in the last four years when it was just so blatantly open. And really, really, this is not a safe situation. We got a desperate times call for harsher measures and this is the measure that it's gonna be. And also maybe don't believe every single thing you're watching on certain news stations. That are showing you this travesty, but then forgetting to mention the American citizen victims, especially the women and the children who are not being recognized at all, because it doesn't fit that narrative and the fear that they're trying to instill that you're just gonna get knocked on and take away. Don't come, don't go into a country illegally. I'm telling you, you can't even go stay anywhere else without a visa or without a, a double citizenship, whatever it may be. You think Mexico's gonna let you go? You think other places are just gonna let you go? They're not. Mm-hmm. So I just don't understand the, the, the hypocrisy. I'm thinking, what's the word? It's hypocritical to think that you can just go somewhere else and that it's fine and you can just make a life for yourself illegally. Right? Well, if you cross into a country illegally. By that definition, you have committed a crime, therefore you are a criminal. Yeah, you might have a great heart and be a great person, but like that's a criminal act. Why? Again, if you break a window in my house and enter my home, I don't care how quote unquote good of a person you are, you still. Committed a crime against me and my house, my home, my property, my family. So, fuck you. Yeah. You think I'm what? I'm gonna make you dinner. What? What would you like to eat? No, I'm gonna call the cops or something else.

katiuscia: 24:22

Well, and back to the children with the open borders, the Biden administration was absolutely a huge perpetrator of human trafficking. Oh yeah. They absolutely were. they should all go to prison, in my opinion. Just for that, for the human trafficking of these little, these babies who, you know, a lot are being found now mm-hmm. And sent back to families or find good homes now, but they're not lost. A lot of 'em are still, I'm sure wasn't just, but there's being efforts made to find, find. I feel like

megan: 24:54

that's been. I just watched a video about MK Ultra and how that's been in the government for years and years and years. The trafficking, so I'm sure it wasn't just Biden, but I mean the fact that whichever administration it was that made it easier for you to cross the border with a kid just meant that these kids were being passed back and forth so that people who weren't even related to these kids could come in and cross the border with a kid. Yeah. Is it your kid? Whose kid is this? We don't know. We're not gonna, we're not gonna do any DNA tests. We're not gonna verify, we're not gonna vet any of these people. Just come on in. We'll say We vetted you though. Yeah.

katiuscia: 25:32

We'll tell the

megan: 25:32

media we vetted. Yeah, we did a general vet, but there are, there were a couple hundred thousand kids unaccounted for. And there, I think my point is there's no uproar for this, right? There's no, the kids is fine. No, there's uproar for the worst. The worst of the situation in the sense of the worst criminals by entering a country illegally. Yes. By definition, even coming in illegally, crime. You might not be a bad person, but you still committed a massive crime. Yeah. By getting in here illegally, by whatever channels, and then nobody cares about the kids. No. they care about the people who. They make a big deal about the people who are actual, bigger, more dangerous criminals. And they're doing that with the boats and the Oh yeah. The drug boats blowing up the drug boat. They're just fishing for cocaine. I didn't know who you could. There's big difference. I don't even know what bait you put on the end of a fishing pole to, you know, end up a tiny spoon. A tiny spoon to end up with a couple, you know, massive amounts of kilos of cocaine, things like that, where it's just, it's a wild concept to me. From a logic standpoint that this is even happening, that this is even a discussion that we have, that we talk about because it doesn't seem real. Because when you have commentators on the legacy media that are making, almost trying to make a case for, well, they were just two people hanging onto the boat for survival. Yeah, to get here and sell and pass off drugs that how many hundreds of thousand Americans were killed from the Fentanyl influx? Mm-hmm. Oh yes. You're not even addressing these things. So it's a very backwards world. It feels like when people are making cases for all the bad shit that's going on and then criminalizing. The good, the actual real victims or just the situations I feel like I'm in. We're an upside down world. Yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

katiuscia: 27:35

And can we just talk about the fish who are exposed to these drugs? I mean, I feel like we don't talk about that enough. I feel like I never even thought of that. Now I feel like an asshole. So. Well, fish lives matter. They do. It's the ocean and let's just have a minute for them. But I think as a nation. We are like the frog that is slowly getting warmed up in the boiling water instead of being thrown into the frying pan. Right? We're just getting so overwhelmed with like, oh, this is new. This is, of course, you know, it is like COVID was, it's launched us into that. Like there's this big thing and then it's just been one thing after another since then, like, uh, I don't know. Grandma wasn't able to have a funeral because of COVID d. But, oh, what's that one guy? Which one? Oh, the one, the black guy. That was George Floyd. George Floyd. He had three freaking funerals. Yeah. You know, and we're like, oh, but we got used to it. It's just things like that. My point is, all these little things keep coming at you and they get bigger and bigger and bigger. And pretty soon, here we are, and we look back. How did we get here? Well, they turned the heat up slowly on that water. And we're boiling right now. And how do we get out of this pot?

megan: 28:51

Holy shit. So hold on. I remember once Megan used the frog in the boiling water and I never heard of it. So now I'm uncomfortably familiar with it, but I didn't even put it to just the country as a whole. So that makes sense. You're pushing these little things. COVID was great for that. COVID was great to ruin so many things in our country and how people treat one another and just the mentalities that they take for everything. But. The little thing that, yeah, you can't go see grandma in the hospital, but we can all, have a, a most mostly peaceful protest protest, peaceful protest for George Floyd. Yeah. Mostly peaceful protest, all of that. That was just allowed. And the problem was that nobody spoke up. Because you had some states that were worse than others. I was in California, it was bad. He banned the beaches'cause he's a douche bag. So all of the things they were asking neighbors to snitch on the holidays on your other neighbors and what were you getting? It's, you think about what world you're creating. You're training people and you're seeing who bites at this really? Messed up bait, and this just, it's not how you treat people. So what happened in those really closed states did a number on people that they didn't feel like they could stand up. So they did feel like because there was punishment attached to it, now it's kind of, we see beyond all of it. You're getting over all of it. We're coming through it, especially with the speaking up, because I'm just, we've been so tired of getting berated all the time for just being a normal human. When you allowed those certain things, if you, now looking back on it, it all has been fitting the narrative to get to this moment that we've gotten to the past year and a half, two years. You know, with the Biden administration especially. Yeah. I don't like that. I feel like COVID, they turned it up just a little too high, too fast. Mm. So a lot

katiuscia: 30:47

of us did jump out of the pot. It was definitely a social experiment. Mm-hmm. To see who was going to comply. Yeah. And who was not. And unfortunately the majority. Of us did comply. And so they're taking that forward with these other things that are going on in our world today. It's like if we really wanna bring the hammer down, we know that the majority of this population is going to comply. I hope not. I hope I've heard stories of people who did comply during COVID who now are like, what the fuck happened? Yeah. There's no way I would do that again. And they have tried to bring. The masks back. Right. And people just laugh it off and it doesn't work. So maybe there is hope there.

megan: 31:29

Yeah.

katiuscia: 31:30

But I think that's why we're not freaking out as like we should be about the open borders, about this pandemic of white people, um, is just accepted and you can talk about it openly and legacy media and everybody's just accepting of it.

megan: 31:46

Well, and also because I can't tell you the last news show that I watched. The people who did jump out of the pot in the last five or six years aren't watching that. And we're not, I'm not listening to, you know, Rachel Maddow or whoever the FLS is on the news. Mm-hmm. And so I don't have, I'm not rallying against them 'cause I'm not listening to them. And so I think there's, there's a, a division there.

katiuscia: 32:15

Can I just say something about Rachel Maddow, of course. Or somebody who hates white men. She really tries to look like one. I mean, have you ever, just the irony there.

megan: 32:29

Yeah. Thanks Rach. Thanks. R hashtag Thanks. Rage. But I do think that. I think that there are darker forces at play that are trying to divide everybody at the end of the day. Yeah. And they recognize that they turned it up too fast with COVID, and so they're pivoting and they're sneaky as shit. And so they're gonna, they're gonna try to get in there and do it again. They learned from that mistake, let's say they turned it up fast also for, for a lot of people. But then. Also not maybe fast enough for the other people who just willingly complied to everything. Yeah. I will say that I love that I had this stubborn thing with it. Even being in California, I think it was even more so, it created so much anxiety to me. I could never get on board with the masks. That created a level of anxiety for me that I just didn't make eye contact with anyone Anymore, and I thought, this is what they want.

carmen: 33:29

Mm-hmm.

megan: 33:30

I look at the people who jumped or the people who learned after, and there are so many of them that now I feel they have to be so sneaky because they, made the mistake, but also because so many people are more aware. If you think about the shit that we see on social media on a daily, probably courtesy of me that I send you both to create your own new algorithms and contribute to sprinkling. All of these truths that are coming out about pivotal moments in life that we've experienced. So call them conspiracy theories or whatever you may, or whatever they may'cause they're all true. But you just think of that and you think, okay, we're done. I think collectively we're done. So you wanna cry about ice By the way, shout out to whoever is running the DHS and the Border Patrol. Mm-hmm. And the White House Instagram pages. Oh yeah. Those are amazing. I can't even, I get so many jollies from it, but this is what we need to fix what you have done. Yeah. We need the humor also the ice coming in. I'm saying. Yeah. That and the humor, but we, we need it because it's just, I'm tired. I'm tired of it, and I'm tired of this hate just because. People are white, just 'cause it's a, well the white man, if I have to hear that shit any more than I already do on a semi-regular basis,'cause I don't really listen to a lot of stuff like that. Also I'm able to shut it down and then that's the point where you're like, well is it because they're white or are you just retarded? So

katiuscia: 35:07

Well,

megan: 35:08

and Well, if you're Tim Walls,

katiuscia: 35:09

yeah, you're both.

megan: 35:13

There. It's Tim. Don't be a little bitch. Seriously, like that's what you get offended. Learn how to use a shotgun, bud. That's what we're getting offended at. Meanwhile, can we drive by his house after this? Absolutely.

katiuscia: 35:27

Road trip. Road trip. I think if you are, you're not getting caught up in it, you realize it is an attempt to separate us. Mm-hmm. To have us fight one another, and you need to be smart enough to recognize it for what it is. This is spiritual warfare at its core, and once you recognize that, you can rise above it and not play the games. Yeah. Not being told how you feel, how you're supposed to feel, what you're supposed to say, what you're supposed to be offended about, rise above that shit. This is them and their sad attempt to separate this country and have us hate one another. Stop it. Yeah. Stop following what you're being told to do. Who you're being told to hate. I mean, stop hating. Like you said, just stop with the hate.

megan: 36:16

Yeah. Well, and the hive mentality. Like, I can hang out, I have whole people in my family and I've talked about people in my life before that don't vote the same way I vote, but I'm not mean to them and I don't, I would still love to sit down and have a coffee with them and have a chat, like more conversation, more discussion. The more that we can come together to actually pay attention to what's going on rather than fall for this divisiveness, I think is the key.

katiuscia: 36:44

Then you find out, gosh, maybe we do line up on more than we thought.' cause the goal ultimately really, I think we wanna love one another. That's the ultimate goal, right? Yeah.

megan: 36:53

Yeah. I think you do find that. I know a lot of people that I talk to maybe. Far on either side. It's always, it's a negotiation at the end of the day. In a weird theory, you pretty much end up coming to someplace in the middle where you both align on certain, on the, on big things. You can find that similarity in that alignment there. But COVID also, it really inspired people to think for themselves. Mm-hmm. And that's the problem with the hive mentality. It's so. And it's always accessible to be able to hear what you need to have a talking point on, even though it's a stupid talking point because it's not even true or it's, manipulated in whatever way it is. I'm talking about legacy media, shit. Yeah. You can go from every single one and hear the same phrase because it's the key word of the weak or whatever it is. It's the slogan of the week. Mm-hmm. So you hear all of these things and then you have people thinking for themselves. And I think a big lesson is also. You know, again, we were all raised in a time where we didn't get so offended by everything but. Stop getting offended by someone making a statement about women in general, and then you're gonna freak out like stop taking on the weight of a whole group and make it your whole personality and persona to then go hard with it. Hmm. I'm not getting offended about white people. I'm just saying it's bullshit and I'm over it. I don't want to hear it anymore because it's not even real. You're creating this hate for an entire race. I'm not ashamed. I look the way I look, this is just the way that God had me look right in terms of skin color, in terms of whatever. I can't really even speak proper, proper English all the time because I'm E esl, but that's, you know, irrelevant. I still speak English in this country. Like there's so many things that I just think stop with your hate and stop trying to say that you are owed something and you are entitled to it. Because you're not white, because you're a woman, because whatever it may be, you should only be getting things because of merit, because you deserve it and not because you're a little bitch that cried about it. Yeah, we're over it. That's it. That's my rap about it. Like, boom, that I'm just over it, Well, making, I mean, the hive mentality is based on fear and that's. How COVID worked is based on fear and a lot of us, survived all the winters of death and sickness, and so we're not afraid anymore. I wasn't really afraid to begin with because it's a cold. Yes and yes, there were some people who had comorbidity, if I have to hear the word comorbidity one more time, vomit. But like, yes, there were some people who were more at risk just like any other illness. But also if you're healthy and you're taking care of your body and you like, just build your immune system, that's your responsibility. Your immune system's not my responsibility. Mm-hmm. My immune system's, my responsibility and the immune system of of my children is currently my responsibility. that's it. And. The FI feel like it got real clown shoes when it was like, well, my mask isn't gonna work unless you have your mask on. And my quote unquote vaccine isn't gonna work unless you've had your experimental injection. Like, that's not how any of this works. Right? Or you're not wearing a mask so you're okay being a grandma killer. That to me, was the ultimate things like that where you're putting everyone else at risk because you are selfish. N no, that's actually not how it goes because I'm not responsible for your grandmother. I'm responsible for me. Yeah, that's it. And so it became this laziness. Which was also the blame and the offender. It all goes together. It's easy to fall into fear. Mm-hmm. Because it's told to you and you're told how to prevent it, right? Yeah. You have to wear your mask. So I have to wear my mask. Like we all have to wear 'em together. We all have to stand six feet apart, except we're when we're at a restaurant and then we can all eat with no masks on.'cause that makes total sense with people mouths open and disgusting. So I think of that and I think how easy it is to fall into the trap of. I don't really wanna have to do research to figure out mm-hmm. How I'm supposed to beat this or what this is gonna do. I'm just gonna listen and follow the rules. And that's what happened. Too many people, and that's what you were saying now, years later, they're like, what the fuck? What was that?

katiuscia: 41:15

Yeah.

megan: 41:15

But it's all about, yes, keeping us divided, but also keeping us stupid. So everything or unaware to be a little less harsh. They do bank on you being stupid and not thinking for yourself. Mm-hmm. And I, I like being a free thinker and not an idiot. I think it's kind of fun. Well, and I think that's in the, the easy times. It makes it easy for people to just Yes, sir. Their way through life. Mm-hmm. Big Daddy government can take care of you and you don't have to do the work for yourself to figure out what you think and what you believe and, and why do you think and believe those things.

carmen: 41:50

Yeah.

megan: 41:50

Well, because Anderson Cooper told me, well.

katiuscia: 41:55

Now we're the herd. Yeah. That's just being prodded along. Yeah. During COVID. Right. It was fun being a cow. Right. During COVID, but, and now it's the same herd that's offended that believe in the pandemic of white people right now. Mm-hmm. Um, it's that same herd of people, the morally superior group who like to. Point down on you from their high pedestal to tell you what you are doing wrong and how you can be safe, and how you can be better, and how you need to apologize for the color of your skin. I'm sorry, but fuck off, kindly. Fuck off. oh, that's the other thing. Do better.

megan: 42:33

The white apologist. That's right. Oh yeah. Oh, please. Well, and it's like when my kids were in preschool and kindergarten, you can't make fun of somebody for what their hair looks like. You can't make fun of somebody for what color their eyes are. You can't make fun of somebody for things that are out of their control. So how? How the fuck am I supposed to apologize for the fact that I'm white? I had no control over that. Gosh, I remember those videos on social media though. They were so good when people were blacking out their square. On Instagram and they were just crying and apologizing for what they are, and it's just, at the end of the day, you're just a human. What have you done that has hurt or offended anyone? So it's wild. Yeah. I feel about those black squares the way I feel about the ice bucket challenge. Mm. Like how is, what is that doing to fix anything? Are you, was that for a LS? Right. Uhhuh. But everybody just poured a bunch of water over their heads and nobody know why they actually paid any money to anything and how. Mm-hmm. I mean, and I feel like we've talked about it back channel, that most awareness campaigns. Aren't actually doing anything to cure whatever disease it is. Anyway, it's just a moneymaking scheme. Oh,

katiuscia: 43:49

black. Black Lives Matter moneymaking scheme galore. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yeah, and brought, I mean, it was ushered in by Obama, He is the one who allowed for groups like that to come to be. And now look who's under investigation. Black Lives Matter, and I'm sorry if you gave money to them. But yeah. What a scheme that was, huh? That was a big one. Still is.

megan: 44:15

Yeah. Oh, it still is because again, still is, a lot

katiuscia: 44:17

of people don't listen or do research. It's like, I feel so bad about the color of my skin that I'm gonna give money to this group called Black Lives Matter, just because they're black. Yeah. Well, and they're telling me, you know how privileged I am. Oh my gosh, you're right. I am so privileged. Nevermind that I've worked my ass off my whole life and I pay my bills and. I don't rely on other people to come in and take care of things for me, but I'm gonna apologize for being white

megan: 44:45

just because Yeah, I'm privileged to be American and have the chance to work for what I get. Yes. And the harder I work, the more potential I have to get more, more gooder things. More gooder, more gooder like that's the privilege. Yeah. And it shouldn't matter what color you are, if you're willing to work. Yeah, no, I agree. But bring, bring back meritocracy. Yay. Meritocracy. We love it. And working for what you have and being proud to work hard. Yeah. Like pride is a sin, but like, be. Willing to work hard for what you have. Yeah. And make the mistakes. Yeah. Earn it. And don't be entitled. And don't be a dick. Don't be a dick.

katiuscia: 45:22

Be a good human. And that's it. Douche. Yeah. And then it's, yeah. A douche canoe. I learned that one. Douche Canoe is a one recently. Mm-hmm. I like that one.

megan: 45:30

Yeah. Douche Canoe is a winner. I like that one. That's it. I think for, for me. Thanks for coming to this Ted Talk. Yeah, buddy. And have a good day to everyone except the people who treat roundabouts like a four way stop. No. Goodbye. Yeah.

katiuscia: 45:48

Bye.