Don't Even Bother

#33: Dragons, Dinosaurs & the Questions You’re Not Supposed to Ask

• Katiuscia + Megan • Episode 33

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What happens when curiosity crosses the line?

In this episode, we explore the questions people don’t like being asked—from flat earth reactions to dinosaur or dragon debates to the strange reality of animal evolution.

It’s not about having answers—it’s about why certain questions make people uncomfortable in the first place.

If you’ve ever been told “don’t ask that,” you’ll feel right at home here.

00:00  Intro: Let’s Ask the Questions We Shouldn’t
 00:30  Why Do People Hate Certain Questions?
 01:30  The Flat Earth Reaction Test
 03:30  The Pug Skull & Weird Animal Reality
 06:00  Why Animals Look So… Strange
 09:00  Dinosaurs vs. Dragons (Wait, What?)
 14:30  What Do We Actually Know vs Assume?
18:00  Why Some Topics Feel Off-Limits
22:00  Social Conditioning & Group Thinking
26:00  Asking Questions Without Needing Answers
30:00  Final Thoughts: Stay Curious

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Don't even bother.

Megan:

So I have like a caveat today and that is that I really like asking questions about things that we're not supposed to ask about. Okay. So I, we've talked about flat earth. We got a lot of feedback. I feel like from that episode. Where we just touched on it, we didn't even go into flat Earth, but the amount of people who will absolutely crash out on me makes me wanna talk about flat earth every day to every human. Just because they just get so, no, you can't. Why would you even ask that? And I'm like, I don't know.'cause you told me I can't. Now I wanna ask. And so, um, the more taboo it is ask questions, the more questions I have. So.

Katiuscia:

Sounds about you.

Megan:

That leads me into this whole topic. This is another one. I will never know the truth, so let's just ask all the questions. Why not? And the, and people get upset about this too, which then just means that I'm gonna ask you even more questions. Okay? Have you ever seen the skull of a pug dog and or there's a meme about it?

Katiuscia:

Okay.

Megan:

There's a, so in the meme, and if you just Google pug skull meme, it should be like one of the first images that comes up. And there's the pug skull, which is an unhinged thing. The eugenics we have done to dogs is just heinous in a lot of ways, and it's like the next picture is how an alien would recreate this animal based on this skull. And it's like some, it's like the predator. From the movie pre.

Katiuscia:

Oh,

Megan:

like it's like a predator alien, alien.

Katiuscia:

Oh.

Megan:

And then here's what it really is. Oh, it's a little pug dog.

Katiuscia:

Okay.

Megan:

Cute. If you're into that sort of thing. Um, or a beaver skeleton.

Katiuscia:

Definitely have never looked at a beaver skeleton.

Megan:

Well, they don't have a big fatty tail in their skeleton. It's just a long tail.

Katiuscia:

Oh.

Megan:

And it looks like any other tail. And I'm not a scientist. And I'm not an archeologist. And so like, I don't, I don't know, but so my question becomes. How do they, or like a frog skeleton, like there's a lot that I feel like scientists are inferring from.

Katiuscia:

Hold on. Did you

Megan:

s did you,

Katiuscia:

with the frog though, now you brought up the frog. Did you dissect a frog in fifth or sixth grade? Did you do that in your school?

Megan:

Um, no. Oh, because they did dissect cats in my high school.

Katiuscia:

What?

Megan:

Mm-hmm.

Katiuscia:

That is. That is.

Megan:

And a cow Hart.

Katiuscia:

Cats are like psycho, like to dissect a cat.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

That seems really,

Megan:

Don don't think I was in that class. Holy shit. But yeah, they did do that. I was, I think I was sad'cause I wanted to do that because like that's, I'm super interested in that. I know,

Katiuscia:

I know. But I'm, I just think that that's kind of wild. For high school you said high school?

Megan:

Yeah. They might have dissected frog. We, I did not. You

Katiuscia:

didn't?

Megan:

No.

Katiuscia:

Okay.

Megan:

I was like down for it. Only thing, like I was down for all that stuff. Do not give me a fake baby for health class to

Katiuscia:

carry around.

Megan:

Yeah. And

Katiuscia:

like take,

Megan:

I was anti that. I went on a whole tirade about,

Katiuscia:

I didn't even, no, that was, that was real. I thought that

Megan:

was just

Katiuscia:

movies.

Megan:

No. And I was like, I am not doing this and here's why.

Katiuscia:

Who now don't they get chicks or something that they have to take care of? Don't certain schools give you animals that you have to take care of?

Megan:

Um, at our high school, they actually stopped that program for like two years, so I didn't have to do it. But then they had these baby dolls that have a key, and the baby doll has like a computer, like a readout so that they, you can tell if you've been neglecting your baby or not.

Katiuscia:

Oh geez.

Megan:

It's very, and it, and it'll start crying and you have to put in the key. And that may or may not stop the crying. It's a whole, it's

Katiuscia:

okay. I'm sorry, two big brother. This, this started from frogs. Okay. And then you threw me off with cats and I think, I just expect the only people dissecting cats are like vets. But

Megan:

yeah, no, please continue. Um, so my point with that is that then I started googling misinterpreted skeletons 'cause I wasn't really sure how to, um, even ask that question, right. But apparently misinterprets misinterpreted skeletons often occur in paleontology and archeology. Because they're missing a lot of information, like we all think of, I'm gonna still say it Neanderthal. I know Joe Rogan likes to say it, Neanderthal, but I feel like an asshole saying it that way. So we all picture Neanderthals as like hunched over, right?

Katiuscia:

Yeah.

Megan:

Knuckle dragers. Well, that's because the one, the one skeleton tracker that they found had arthritis, like severe arthritis.

Katiuscia:

Okay.

Megan:

So they weren't necessarily all like that. So I feel like this is a very incomplete science here. And like I said, I don't know, I'm not an archeologist, so I'm probably gonna get hate mail from some archeologists or something. But if you know me, you know, I'm just asking the questions. Okay, so, so how do we know what we know about dinosaurs? I was never, I never had a dinosaur phase. I grew up with kids who were like, who could name all the Dinos? And were very into that. And I was always like, eh, I don't, I can't get there. But how do we know? How do we know that we are, that there were dinosaurs? There are no dinosaurs in the Bible. And I'm not like a Bible literalist. I have lots of questions about the Bible. Um, here's where my big question is gonna hit. There are dragon tales from every civilization around the globe that came up simultaneously before these people were having interactions with each other. So are dragons, are dinosaurs really dragons?

Katiuscia:

Aren't Dragons mentioned in the Bible

Megan:

35 times.

Katiuscia:

Okay.

Megan:

In the King James.

Katiuscia:

Okay.

Megan:

Okay. So, um. Let me, let me check my notes here. Dragon stories from every corner of the world, every corner of the world, every corner of the

Katiuscia:

world,

Megan:

not the globe. Anyway, sorry,

Katiuscia:

the world.

Megan:

Stay with me even if you're my normie friends, stay with me. We're just asking questions. Um. One theory suggests that ancient humans were naturally afraid of animals. This is, this is like a direct quote that I found on the internet, and I think it's absolute shenanigans. Ancient humans, were naturally afraid of animals like snakes, leopards, and eagles, snakes, leopards, and eagles. That's a heck of a group. So our collective subconscious combines them into a dragon like form. Okay, pause right there. The ancient peoples, and we've discussed it, were a lot more connected to the natural world than we are. They sure shit knew what a snake and a leopard and an eagle were like. Mm-hmm. No, I cannot get there. Animals like crocodiles and large snakes may also have factored into local depictions of dragons. Like again, I don't, I don't think that's the case. Like I think they knew what those were. Um. A lot of Asian dragon stories depict them as being like lucky and benign guardians of humans. They were not scary monsters, so, but there were dragon stories from pretty much Asian, every Asian country, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Bhutan, Philippines, obviously China. There are dragon stories in Mesopotamia, Egypt, Australia, Greco Roman stories had dragons. North and South American culture had dragons, medieval Europe. Like where did the dragons go? So like we said, dragons are mentioned 35 times in the King James Bible dinosaurs are not mentioned because the word dinosaur was invented in 1841.

Katiuscia:

By who? Or for what was

Megan:

no purpose by, so Richard Owen, I don't remember. Why is he

Katiuscia:

British?

Megan:

Probably. I didn't really get a chance to deep dive on him that, because I was just fine. Like, but I'm just

Katiuscia:

wondering like, was there a reason that it was even brought up? What was the first documentation of, hey, this is a story about, or this is a, yeah, this is a dinosaur.

Megan:

Like, I think a, a lot of it's weird. The, one of the theories is like, oh, well these ancient people were digging up DNO bones and just attributing them to their dragons. But like, they're not necessarily dinosaur bones on all of these places that I just mentioned. I wouldn't think, I don't know. Like, it just seems like that's an easy answer for it. Um, so here's another question. I have a huge question I have. The Bible says, God created sea and sky creatures on the fifth day, and a lot of dragon folklore puts them in the sea.

Katiuscia:

Hmm.

Megan:

Or having to do with water. So presumably they would have been created on the fifth day. Land, animals and man created on the sixth day scientists. So therefore, if we're taking it literally as a day, then humans would have seen dinosaurs, dragons, et cetera. Scientists say that humans and dinosaurs never lived together.

Katiuscia:

Okay.

Megan:

Okay, so how do we have all of these dragon. Depictions that are so similar all over the world if we never saw them. Like that fascinates me.

Katiuscia:

But also, and that's just on ancient scrolls and the stories of these mm-hmm. Different areas that once the ability to what connect them all in terms of people traveling to each place and getting the history of this land.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

And then they compiled it all. And that's the commonality is dragons.

Megan:

Yeah. Everybody had dragons.

Katiuscia:

Okay.

Megan:

And I mean, so I, I have questions about the book of Genesis because is it really a day? Is it not a day? Is it, how literal are we being? So, okay, whatever. Again, this is stuff I'm never gonna know the answer to. I think

Katiuscia:

you and I have had those discussions when,'cause now I now is the year that I'm doing the Bible and I'm like, how are these people living to 300 years old as

Megan:

well? Well, that's huge question I've always had. Are they counting 365 days as a year? Are they counting seasons? Are they counting a lunar cycle as a year? What? Who knows? Who knows? I don't know. Maybe somebody knows. I sure don't. So they

Katiuscia:

weren't mentioned. I don't know. Okay.

Megan:

Okay.

Katiuscia:

Okay.

Megan:

So, um, we even have Saints. Saint Elizabeth of Constantinople of the Orthodox Church is known so much for defending, for defeating a dragon in the fifth century that her icon has her defeating a dragon. And like in Catholic and Orthodox icons like St. Lucie is known for having her eyes pulled out of her head, so she's standing there with her eyes on a plate, like your icon has the things that describe you or your sainthood. St. George, historically, a third century Roman soldier was martyred for his C Christian faith and famously celebrated as a dragon slayer. So like these drag, this dragon mythology or folklore is creeping up into semi modern times. So this is fascinating to me. And then we get into megafauna. This is a scientific fact. Um, so megafauna were massive creatures that used to roam the earth like we had them here in North America and they're all extinct 'cause we know there's lots of things that are extinct. So apparently there wa, I mean, we all know that mammoths, wooly mammoths, mastodons were a thing. I don't think anybody's questioning that. Right. Um, in prevalent in the northern hemisphere saber tooth Cat lived here in North America, they were huge, bigger than Tigers. Short face bear, giant ground sloth, which was an elephant sized sloth.

Katiuscia:

Oh.

Megan:

Uh, woolly Rhinoceros found in Europe and Asia. Uh, one, I can't pronounce Australia's largest marsupial, similar in size to a hippo, a giant beaver, which was an eight foot long rodent.

Katiuscia:

What?

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

Eight feet.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

It's not how big the beaver was on lady in the Triumph. I just

Megan:

Exactly.

Katiuscia:

It was little.

Megan:

And then of course, the megalodon shark, right. Which was allegedly, depending on which account you're looking into, either anywhere from 47 to 80 foot shark. Oh. And they have found megalodon teeth that are like bigger than your head. And you put it next to like a great white shark that's just, you know, a couple inches long. And then this megalodon shark is like, what? Huge. Yeah. And these are all scientifically agreed upon real things. And like the current whale shark is 62 feet long, and that's a real living thing that. Lives in the oceans now.

Katiuscia:

Okay.

Megan:

And don't even get me started. I mean, the ocean's, the ocean. I don't, that's none of my business. There's all kinds of shit in there we don't know about, but

Katiuscia:

I don't wanna know either. I think I don't wanna know about the ocean.

Megan:

And so, but like an eight foot long beaver, if you look up the skeleton or the fossil of that, well, what if you imagine it was scales and not fur, how do you know it was a bit, how do you know, how do you know what kind of covering it had on that meat sack? You don't know. So if these are all plausible, what if a megalodon tooth was really a dragon tooth?

Katiuscia:

Dragons were of the water, you said?

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

Also.

Megan:

So if there were all these wild and crazy animals in the historical record that used to exist and don't, how do we know that dragon or how do we know that dinosaurs existed but dragons didn't? What if they're, what if they both existed? What if they're the same thing? Why are you labeled an absolute nutball for thinking that maybe dragons were something, but you believe that a brontosaurus was a thing?

Katiuscia:

Are there people who believe that dinosaurs exist but dragons didn't? Like do they

Megan:

take the different Yes. That's like the generally accepted.

Katiuscia:

Dragons are just mythical because they do sound dragons a hundred

Megan:

percent mythical.

Katiuscia:

They do sound way more mythical than a dinosaur. Yeah, right. A dinosaur. I think the story that's probably been presented to everybody land before time mm-hmm. Is that they just walked the earth and who was a carnivore and who was an herbivore and Yeah. Who just, you know, they lived and they knew that that was the predator and dah, dah, dah.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

So, I mean, I get it. It's, it's more acceptable to the mind on a rationality standpoint then, because that's what

Megan:

we've been taught

Katiuscia:

then a fire breathing

Megan:

Yeah,

Katiuscia:

dragon like Game of Thrones.

Megan:

I was not, it is not clear where the fire breathing part came in

Katiuscia:

mythical.

Megan:

But like there is a lot of speculation that like the word unicorn is also in the Bible, but that's like the genus or species or whatever of a rhinoceros also has unicorns in it.

Katiuscia:

Okay.

Megan:

I don't know where the equine version of it came in, but like that very well could be a rhinoceros. Okay. Right. Like there's lots of, there's a deep dive on that too, but a lot of dino bones that are in museums, they're not real. Did you know that?

Katiuscia:

No. What are they

Megan:

casts, plaster casts.

Katiuscia:

Really?

Megan:

Mm-hmm. They'll tell, like they say that it's because a lot of'em, like Sue, the T-Rex is housed in Chicago, but went on a cross country tour and came here to the Discovery Center. We went and saw it.

Katiuscia:

Oh,

Megan:

we just went to the Discovery Center that day. We didn't go to see that, but we saw it and apparently that entire thing is a replica because the actual skull is too delicate to take to be like out in public. I don't know, but so. A lot of dino bones are fake

Katiuscia:

really,

Megan:

to begin with. Yeah. And then, um, I just completely lost my train of thought. Okay.

Katiuscia:

Fake dino bones.

Megan:

So like, how do you know? I just wanna know how they know that, A, that's how all those bones fit together. And b, that that's really what that thing looked like. I get that you can tell what it ate by the teeth that it had. That makes sense, but how do you know there's so much soft tissue that you don't know? A camel hump is soft tissue. They don't know that. I don't, I've never looked at a camel skeleton, but I don't imagine it would have a hump.

Katiuscia:

Who started coming up with the names of everything?

Megan:

I don't know. Well, and then if you think about the Chinese zodiac, there's a a rooster and a dog and a horse and a monkey and a tiger, and then a rat and a frigging dragon. There's not a unicorn in there. There's not a centaur in there, but there's all these real things, and then this one fake thing. I think it, well, I think it's plausible.

Katiuscia:

Well, I think for sure it's plausible. I just wonder what the point was. I mean, in anything, but what's the point of this? What's the end game? What's the larger scale? Yeah, like the larger goal of making everyone believe that there were dinosaurs when there weren't, were we running out of boy toys to, to think of, were there too many dolls outweighing the market? I mean, but you're saying 18 hundreds. That's a long time ago

Megan:

yeah.

Katiuscia:

To come up with this term.

Megan:

Well, and yeah. I can't find the why for that either. Like the moon landing. I had a good, why, why cover it up? Um, I don't have a great why for this, but right off the top of my head, I think like something to do with, we're the scientists and we know better than you know, so you need to listen to us. So it's really this and not this back to

Katiuscia:

trust the science back to trust the science.

Megan:

So, and that's just my trust issues. But then when you go down this rabbit hole, you get to the leviathan and the behemoth, and those are actually like mentioned in the Bible. So God created the leviathan on the fifth day. Biblically, like Leviathan has mentioned a lot in the Bible. The whole job, chapter 41, is kind of all about Leviathan. And if you're reading that and looking at that description, it sounds pretty dragony to me. It's like a massive fire breathing sea monster or serpent, symbolizing chaos, evil and uncontrolled power, yet ultimately under God's sovereign power. Leviathan appears in job Psalms, Isaiah, like it's all over the Bible. And then the behemoth would've been created on the sixth day with man, and he is, let me find his description. It was like basically a hippo, um, an herbivore with bones like bronze tubes. A tale like a cedar tree rules the land. So they were so rabbinical tradition holds that the leviathan and the behemoth will fight a climactic battle at the end of the world before both being slain by God. And then I just have to say like the Reddit comments on this were hilarious. So that's a fun, I highly recommend, um, one suggested internet search topic when you're searching all this, and of course you have to go to like, DuckDuckGo, Google's like, you're stupid. This is fake. There's a rollercoaster called the Leviathan. Is that what you want? Like no. Um, one suggested topic, you know, it comes later down. Mm-hmm. It's like, well, did you wanna look at how this and that? Yeah. Um, was, could a leviathan beat a megalodon? And it was hysterical. Then I started thinking like, well, what if that megalodon tooth really belonged to Leviathan?

Katiuscia:

Oh, how

Megan:

do we know? Oh geez, we don't know. Um, and then the Leviathan and the behemoth are also mentioned in the Book of Enoch, and there are gonna be people here who just check out right away. So the book of Enoch is an ancient Jewish apocalyptic religious text ascribed by tradition to the patriarch Enoch, who is the father of Methuselah and the great grandfather of Noah. And it's not in the Bible, and there's a lot of wild, if you really look into the book of Enoch, it's wild. Like it's. Written around a lot of those other books, you know, same timeframe, things like that. Apparently a lot of Christians find it very problematic. It mainly focuses on the fall of angels who are called watchers, who mated with humans to create giants called Nephilim, which I could probably do a whole other episode on. Um, but it highlights Enoch's cosmic journeys, divine Judgment, and the Coming Messiah, which is where we get the term son of man. Apparently and the final punishment of evil, um, deemed non-canonical by most churches, though regarded as scripture by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. So we're back to Ethiopia. They have the right calendar, right? Yeah. They're, they're down with the book of Enoch. I don't know, but, so it's, uh. It's a very fun, like, what are your thoughts? It's a very fun thought experiment to think about. Dragons versus D House. So

Katiuscia:

the one thing that I, that really stuck with me when I saw it online was a T-Rex.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

And it was like, I mean, we all joke and every one of us has probably had some form of apparel in the form, like a shirt or something that was like T-Rex has no arms.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

Like the T-Rex arms or clap, right?

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

Like T-Rex can clap T-Rex doing pushups. Like I had one like that. But what was the point of making one of the most vicious dinosaurs in quote, history or knowledge, information given to us not be able to grab something

Megan:

right.

Katiuscia:

So they were saying something about, but the wingspan maybe. Yeah. Would've been,

Megan:

those could have been little wing nubbins.

Katiuscia:

Right.

Megan:

And you just don't have the full

Katiuscia:

or the feet when you like land, right? Mm-hmm. And then you, 'cause you've got your back legs and the feet kind of mm-hmm. A bird, a bird's front. If it's a big, a big bird, I don't know, like an eagle. Their front legs, hands aren't gonna be as long I wouldn't think as the back ones. But I am not a birdologist. What's two legs? Wait, what's the, what's the

Megan:

orinthologist.

Katiuscia:

orinthologist. The birdologist. But I'm just thinking what was the point? Yeah, those could have just been little cartilage things. Yeah. It just from a logic standpoint, and we know that I love logic so much, what's the point of making the one that everyone is so, so afraid of every other in land before time, everyone is so afraid of the T-Rex.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

He was gonna kill everybody.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

But grabbing what you just had to be in his line and him grab you with his mouth,

Megan:

his bite range.

Katiuscia:

Yeah.

Megan:

Yeah. That seems, which I mean, like a crocodile, you're, you gotta be in his bite range, you know? He doesn't have hands, but it just,

Katiuscia:

but you're in the water.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

And it's his, that's his area. Yeah. Of expertise.

Megan:

And we, and like the scientists say that birds are all descendant from dinosaurs. So

Katiuscia:

dinosaurs or dragons.

Megan:

Dinosaurs or dragons. That's what I'm saying.

Katiuscia:

It's interesting.

Megan:

Yeah,

Katiuscia:

it's an interesting thing. I just, again, I think it's easy to keep people as this is part of our history. Dinosaurs walked the earth before man, and then you've got, and. I mean, I might've seen Jurassic Park in the nineties when it came out maybe, but I don't remember enough of it, and I was never so into it because dinosaurs were never my thing. Yeah. I liked land before time because of the stories, because of Little Foot, not because of the, the whole behind the scenes of the dinosaur life. I just liked the little foot loss Mom. Dude, that's sucked. Then they started making more and more.

Megan:

Mm-hmm.

Katiuscia:

And you just, you gotta tap out at a certain point.'cause because they all

Megan:

lose their moms.'cause Disney just wants all the moms to die.

Katiuscia:

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And they just never, so, I don't know. It's an interesting thing to me because I just think, yeah, if you're trying to make it, if you're trying to fill in the gaps, right? I mean, because that's all we can do with your imagination and with what you think this bone actually, or the skull or skeleton actually is. There's no real proof. I don't know. To me it's a, I, I guess I never cared about dinosaurs so much, but then when you hear that people have this passion where they're, they're fixated on dinosaurs, didn't exist, or dinosaurs did exist. Absolutely. I think the main factor for me is it wasn't the Bible.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

Isn't everything kind of in the Bible, I mean,

Megan:

right.

Katiuscia:

In some way, shape, or form. It's mentioned. It's described, it's, but it is really interesting to me that the only commonality between all these different lands

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

Is the dragons.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

And not the dinosaur. It's dragons. Because there was, there was that,

Megan:

yeah, because I think they were there and I mean, you have other folklore like fairies and, but that's not in every culture. There are little trouble troublesome spirits in most cultures.

Katiuscia:

Sure.

Megan:

But like in Scandinavia, they have gnomes and, but dragons are everywhere. And you can look at old maps and in the water it'll say, dragons be here. Like, I mean, heck, what's the lochness monster? We figured that one out yet.

Katiuscia:

Oh yeah.

Megan:

Don't, don't think that we have, I don't know. It just. It's so fun to think about. And like Jurassic Park, I didn't see it either, but I remember my one friend that I spent most of elementary school with in junior high, she was very into dinosaurs, and so she went and saw Jurassic Park Day. It came out, and I remember her being like, no, it's not T Rexs, it's Velociraptors.

Katiuscia:

Oh.

Megan:

And they're like the Belgium Malmo dinosaurs.

Katiuscia:

Can't they fly?

Megan:

No. But they were super fast and they're super intelligent and like I have literally never heard of that before. Are we making this up? But like what are we? There is, here's a fun fact. There is a dinosaur named after the lead singer of the cars Mark Knopfler, because the archeologist team that discovered this new species of dinosaurs was listening to a CD of the cars. Nope, not the cars. That's Rick Oasc. My bad. It's Dire Straits. Oh, mark Knopfler from Dire Straits. They were listening to the Dire Straits and so they named this dinosaur like the knopfler sours or, so that's not what it is, but it's something like that.

Katiuscia:

Oh,

Megan:

so interesting. You can just discover some bones and

Katiuscia:

name it.

Megan:

Create and just name it like, and Mark LERs kind of a cool guy. What if it, what if it was a freaking dragon? I thought that would be cooler than Dragons seem cooler than dinosaurs to me.

Katiuscia:

Well, they do. I think it's probably'cause they, they do have a mythical element to them.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

And anything we know about dragons from everything we've seen or been told is all that they all fire, breathe. So even there was the, I think it was a Disney movie, Pixar, Disney. It was Raya The Last Dragon. That was a super cool movie. Yeah. I like that one.

Megan:

Yeah. Raya was awesome.

Katiuscia:

Yeah,

Megan:

it was really good. It.

Katiuscia:

They were like water dragons though.

Megan:

Yeah,

Katiuscia:

there were all kinds of dragons.

Megan:

There

Katiuscia:

were all kinds. That's because

Megan:

most of the Asian dragons were water dragons.

Katiuscia:

Okay.

Megan:

They were like water bringers. It was very central around water, but like a lot of the European ones were not. They were more land dwellers and could fly.

Katiuscia:

Could you ride them like game throne? I dunno,

Megan:

but like if you believe that. You believe wholeheartedly that the T-Rex had tiny little arms, couldn't scratch its own butt. Like, but you don't believe that this could be possible. I don't know. I wanna, I wanna help. I wanna get there. I can't get there.

Katiuscia:

Yeah, it's interesting.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

Wow.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

Yeah. But the tiny arms with the T-Rex, I think is what throws me.'cause I'm like, I don't,

Megan:

yeah.

Katiuscia:

How do you grab something? You have to grab prey. You can't just go bite it. You're not, not every, not every animal can go bite it.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

You have to grab it and like, I mean, cats submiss, if you got, I

Megan:

mean, swatted stuff.

Katiuscia:

Yeah. Okay. So you

Megan:

can't

Katiuscia:

even swat it.

Megan:

Or they have like leaping abilities like cats and crocodiles and like a lot of predators have like a leaping ability if they can't grab. But the T-Rex I don't think was a big leaper.

Katiuscia:

I don't think so.

Megan:

All I am picturing right now for the record with a T-Rex in my mind is the one from Toy Story.

Katiuscia:

Oh, oh my gosh.

Megan:

Very pear shaped.

Katiuscia:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I've seen Toy Story and I love the T-Rex because I love that people dress up in these blow up outfits and they run around with T-Rex. So that's, I like that. I feel like that's a joy of the internet is watching people try to function in a T-Rex blow up costume.

Megan:

Oh, absolutely. Great. Any of those blow up costumes are hilarious. Oh,

Katiuscia:

great. They're so good. Yeah. I can't give you, I can't, that would, that would be my only thought. Just, I don't know. It seems normal, right? Yeah. It would seem safe enough. It doesn't seem so farfetched and magical. We're not trying to get people to believe in magic with dragons, so we just create this other group of animals who walked the earth before us, and who can tell you if they really did, because we weren't here.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

So that's how all this stuff goes, is there's no, it's basically the living internet.

Megan:

Yeah.

Katiuscia:

Of the past. You can't find the argument or you can't find the fact of it. You can try to make the argument, but nobody was there to really be pro or con and now you're just getting manmade information from the internet. So it's just back to that whole story.

Megan:

Yeah. Well, and I feel like back in the day, I wanna say I had a really. Cartoon character type of human as a junior high science teacher, and everybody loved him. And he would talk about how science is just asking questions. And I feel like lately that has changed a lot because you trust the science.

Katiuscia:

Yeah.

Megan:

You know, and they wanna say definitive things, but really that's not how it has historically been. It's been asking questions and you run with this hypothesis or this theory until it doesn't pan out. Then you shift and you change your theory. But we're all just told, no, dragons are not real. Dinos are real. The Leviathan was just a made up thing to prove a point. But like if you, I mean, I mean Job is a weird book of the Bible anyway, but he has an entire chapter dedicated to it, and I just think we will never know.

Katiuscia:

Crazy.

Megan:

And you just have like, we have lots of questions and one

Katiuscia:

more thing that we'll never know.

Megan:

It was probably, there were probably documentations of dragons in the libraries at Alexandria and it's all just been burnt to the ground. We will never

Katiuscia:

know. Probably. Probably,

Megan:

yeah.

Katiuscia:

How wild. Thanks for sharing. Yeah, I still T-Rex can't do pushups. Just doesn't. That was the shirt. T-Rex can't do pushups.

Megan:

That's awesome.

Katiuscia:

Yeah. T-Rex can't clap.

Megan:

So, and I don't have my own personal opinion on it. Like I feel like if, whatever our di I, that's not true. I do have a little bit of an opinion, but I'm not like, wouldn't put money on it. But I feel like they probably, it's a, probably a combo. I think what we call dinosaurs, were probably also dragons and we don't know what they looked like.

Katiuscia:

Yeah.

Megan:

And we don't know what they sounded like and probably they didn't breathe fire. Butt, but I don't know. They could have,

Katiuscia:

but who knows. I know. Who knows?

Megan:

They had an eight foot beaver.

Katiuscia:

An eight foot beaver is crazy.

Megan:

I feel like Eight foot beaver is a really good cover band name. So

Katiuscia:

cool. Well,

Megan:

there you go.

Katiuscia:

On that note. Thank you.

Megan:

You're welcome. It'll be a just a short, little fluffy episode today. Food for Thought.

Katiuscia:

Food for Thought. Okay.

Megan:

So have a good day to everyone except the people who decided that clear purses are the way to go at sporting events, concerts, comedy shows,

Katiuscia:

the lamest,

Megan:

it's, I get mad every time I have to take my clear purse.

Katiuscia:

Ugh. It's so like jelly. Wear your jelly shoes then too. Yeah, gross.

Megan:

Because everybody wants to see the shit I take in my purse. What kind of gum I have.

Katiuscia:

That's so wild.

Megan:

It's the worst.

Katiuscia:

Have a good day to all but the concert venue organizers who make us do that.

Megan:

And you still have to go through a metal detector

Katiuscia:

bullshit. Wild. All but you.

Megan:

Yes.

Katiuscia:

Bye bye.