Republicans Aren’t United Anymore… Here’s Why | Episode 31

We react and breakdown Daily Wire's most recent Friendly Fire episode and the not so friendly comments between Ben Shapiro and Michael Knowles. This shows exactly where the Republican Party is at.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Thanks for tuning in. You're listening to another episode of Propaganda with Mick and Jacob.

SPEAKER_02 0:07

We're back today. Uh, kind of have a little bit different of an episode for you. Uh, we're gonna be talking about this, might sound boring, but primarily talking about the state of the Republican Party right now. What that is, what conservatives are, what we should be, what we're not, and everything in between.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

So um and we're the mindset of this new generation of conservatives, us.

SPEAKER_02 0:31

Yeah, what we're kind of.

SPEAKER_01 0:32

Where we fall.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

So recently, uh Daily Wire, some of you might know them, uh they're actually one of the main like media companies that I grew up on and listened to and kind of like made me conservative when I was younger. Uh things are a lot different nowadays, but a lot of you may know Daily Wire. They have a newer series called Friendly Fire. Essentially, they invite all their hosts on and they debate each other, different topics. It's hardly a debate, but they argue and joke about and talk about different topics. It's great, whatever. The most recent one, they spend almost the entire Friendly Fire episode talking about the war in Iran. Okay. Who is on the panel today? We have Ben Spiro, Andrew Claven, Michael Knowles, and then Matt Walsh would normally be there. He wasn't there. So they had a filler-in guy, someone who's new with the Daily Wire, Ben Dominic is his name. Um who is he? He used to be with Fox. He's like a media personality type of guy. Okay. He's their opinion writer now or something. Head opinion, something like that. So he's newer with them. Um, whatever. So he filled in for Matt Walsh today. Essentially, you have these three guys ganging up on Michael Knowles. And for whatever you want to say about Michael Knowles, um, I actually like a good amount of his commentary and like a lot of his like spiritual discussion around politics and around being a Christian, and he's a Catholic. Um, so I actually like a fair bit of what he says. Me too. Like I've shared a lot with you.

SPEAKER_01 1:56

I like Michael Knowles. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:57

I don't know how else to get into this other than they're talking about the war in Iran, and Andrew, Ben, and other Ben, they are all for it. And Michael Knowles is he's still largely with Trump, largely supports it, but he has his hesitancies about it. He has his concerns with it, and he says if it was up to him, knowing what he knows now, he wouldn't have gone in.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

As one should be hesitant with war, right? I don't think we should ever really want to. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

You're listening to it, trying to be objective, and you have Ben Spear and Andrew Cliff and being like, this is the greatest thing that's ever happened. I've never seen pride and courage and bravery like this from any other administration. This is the biggest geopolitical result we'll ever have. And it's like, what are you guys talking about? Why, why is this such a good thing for you? Why, more importantly, why is it good for us? Why is it good for Americans? Why is it good for our generation? It's it spoiler alert, it's not. Okay, so they're basically arguing with Michael Knowles about this. It leads into somehow Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens. Uh Megan Kelly didn't get directly mentioned that episode, but Ben Spear was ripping on her the other day. Uh so I'm kind of involving her in this as well. It goes into how these people, Megan, Tucker, and Candace, are they the moral scum of the earth, apparently. And they go on and they talk about how terrible they are, and they're fakes and they're frauds, and they're destroying the movement, and they're separating the right, and this, this, and that. And well, we should play the clip. At a point in the podcast, Ben Shapiro tells Michael Knowles, he says, Michael, you need to call out Candace Owens for being immoral by attack by attacking Erica Kirk. Which, whatever you want to say, attacking, whatever. I disagree with a lot of stuff Candace says, too. But she's asking questions. She's doing more than most people are.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

And you know, and there's nothing wrong with that either. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

He seems to be the only person that truly cares about getting some answers with Charlie Kirk's assassination, which is crazy to me because not that we see everything behind the scenes, but I would think Erica would be leading the front lines on this.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

As his wife.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

Right. So again, Candace's crazy theories, I don't think they're true. But someone's asking questions. You gotta poke around a bush to get an answer, you know?

SPEAKER_01 4:06

And like right, no matter what you say, his Charlie's assassination was weird. It just was.

SPEAKER_03 4:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:13

And so it's natural then to ask questions. And I think it is totally right and okay that Candace is asking those questions. It she might go a little off the deep end, she might go a little crazy, but she's asking the questions.

SPEAKER_02 4:27

Even if it wasn't weird, what we know is that Tyler Robinson, his trans boyfriend or whatever, he knew about the shooting before. Allegedly, Tyler Robinson was the one who carried it out, allegedly, whatever. But we also had trans activists in LGBTQ movements and people a part of Utah that were talking about this, discussing it in different threads and conversations and messages. And as far as we know, they're not investigated, no one else is behind bars, nothing else. So pretend, forget any any other conspiracy or inside job or whatever else. Why are we not getting more answers with that? That's whatever. To her credit, it's good you're asking questions. Is she attacking Erica Kirk? I don't know. Like it's a grieving widow, like, oh, don't attack her. Sure. Like, whatever, maybe she shouldn't. But that is a protection. It doesn't protect her from scrutiny. And also to demand everyone else who knows Candace to call her out on it publicly is a different thing.

SPEAKER_03 5:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

I was taught, I don't know about you, I was taught that if you have a friend or a loved one or someone else you know and you have a problem with them, you go and talk to them and you approach them on a personal, intimate scale.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Not on a podcast.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

You don't blast them publicly from the other room while behind their backs. Yeah. So Michael Mullis is like, oh yeah, whatever. Candace probably shouldn't have said that. And then Ben Spiro's like, no, say the words. Say the words that Candace is immoral for saying it.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

He's like, he's like, say her name. Say Eric say Erica Kirk. It is wrong to attack her. Say Candace Owens is wrong to attack Erica Kirk.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

Repeat after me. And it's like crazy. We'll play the clip. It's crazy. The point of all that is it kind of shows the two sides, or maybe let's say three sides. Pretend Michael Knowles is in the middle. Pretend a Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuenez, Candace is more, I guess facing the camera, was more this side of the scale, right? Right side? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

Wait.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

Right side. Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

If you are watching this, it'd be your right side. Right. What you just did, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

So pretend Megan, Tucker, Candace, Nick are more right side. Then, for some reason, you have who we thought we got rid of. We thought we got rid of the establishment, Rhino, G O P, whatever, whatever, neocons. We thought we got rid of them. In reality, it's a lot of the same. It's different people, but a lot of the same ideology. And they're more center-left as it appears. Not saying they're left-wing or Democrats or libertarians, but people like Ben Shapiro, Andrew Claven, a lot of others, they kind of organize with and affiliate with being the more moderate version of the right wing. Even though if you listen to them, they're not necessarily more moderate in a lot of things. They're just they just believe things that are entirely different.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

Well, and I think the right wing movement has moved so much further. Right that they haven't moved with it. And if they don't believe it, they shouldn't move just for the likes and just for the attention of it. I get that.

SPEAKER_02 7:20

We should stay with their base, stay with themselves. I get that. The problem is Ben Shapiro, he's all upset with whatever you want to say is true or not, or conspiracy or not. Ben Shapiro's upset because Megan, Tucker, Candace, Nick Fones, they are pointing out some of the hypocrisy and problems and suspicious things going on with let's let's just say with the Jews in America. And whether you believe that or not, that is why Ben Shapiro's mad at them. So let's say it's true, let's say it's not, let's say they're wrong or right for it, whatever. That's why he's mad at them.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

Ben Shapiro is Jewish if you didn't know. There are some people that wouldn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

That's true. What's crazy to me is that he'll disagree with a million people, right? As he does. Ben Shapiro's a very he has his takes, he has his ideas, and he's very strong with them, right? So he disagrees with a ton of people. The reason he's calling them out, the reason he's upset at them, the reason he's saying that they're immoral is because they're attacking, let's let's just say, Jewish, the Jewish narrative or whatever you want to call it.

SPEAKER_01 8:21

And and and the the hypocrisy and problems in the Republican Party, too.

SPEAKER_02 8:25

True, which is it's not just that's a lot more of Ben Shapiro's base than it is theirs. Right. They're not as involved as well.

SPEAKER_01 8:29

It's not just the Jewish people, it's not just Israel. They'll point out problems with the Trump administration and the Republican.

SPEAKER_02 8:35

And Ben Shapiro doesn't like that.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

And he doesn't like that.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

Even Michael Knowles doesn't like that.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

We should play the clip for them.

SPEAKER_06 8:40

So Candace Owens decides to slander the widow of Charlie Garner. I think that people have a moral duty to say that this is a bad thing, even if they are quote unquote friends with those people, and I find it.

SPEAKER_05 8:50

But let's take that further. So obviously, one should state one's view and say, you know, dark is great and Michael I was asking us right now.

SPEAKER_06 8:57

Is Candace Owens doing something evil by attacking her? I think it's a wrong director. I mean, there's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_05 9:16

Even if you are interested in the podcast work, people who are leadingly invected against Candace are her biggest publicists.

SPEAKER_02 9:23

Okay. I might be biased because I like Michael Knowles a little bit. They spend the entire episode cutting him off. The entire episode. Bro doesn't get a word in.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

Say, Michael, say the words for me. I absolutely loved Michael's response. I think that is the perfect answer to something like that. I'm not gonna dance for like a monkey to the podcast wars.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

That is be like that is beautifully said. And it is such a it's such an underhand jab. Jab. Because listen, listen. The Daily Wire is losing money. The Daily Wire is losing is losing support. Ben Shapiro, as a co-founder and as co-owner, co-owner, he knows that. And the only way that he has stayed relevant recently is to bash people like Tucker, Candace, and Nick Wentz.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

Which, as far as engagement, it makes sense. But as far as is it honest, is it real? Yeah, I think it is. I think he is honestly attacking them and he's upset with them. No, I'm not saying because of their arguments.

SPEAKER_01 10:27

But I think part of it's why he's doing it. Is that it gets those views and it gets those clicks? And it doesn't matter if they're hate clicks, doesn't matter if they're hate views or people are watching it because they think Ben Shapiro's stupid, it's still a view and it's still money on social media. I I think that that is part of it too. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 10:42

If for Michael Knowles to say, yeah, that's his friend, he's not gonna publicly condemn her and go after her on the podcast for this political podcast war. Yeah, that's a great point. But also what he points out is it is a war. There is a war going on with for sure two narratives, if at least three. But I would say it's right now it's pretty clear cut. It's far right, new, young, Gen Z, up and coming, and then it's older establishment, whatever, whatever. The funny thing to me is 2015, 2016, when Daily Wire was starting, when Ben Shapiro was becoming the face of Republicans, of political media on the right. Like he used to be that guy. He was he was the young up and coming, for the right, more traditional based guy. Yeah. They, him and his movement, the Trump movement, the MAGA movement, as it was, as it started, as it was meant to be, they kicked out the older establishment. And now it appears, oh, the older establishment didn't go away. It hid for a little bit, it changed, it it grew into something else, and it's more the same. And you're right, we don't know how the Iran war is gonna end. Uh, we're in it for over two weeks already, so that's not a great start, but we don't know how it's gonna end yet. We have our assumptions, which you've heard before on other episodes. But Ben Shapiro and Andrew Claven, and they're like, they're so they're so pro-war in Iran because they believe, like a lot of boomers, like a lot of elders, they believe Israel's our greatest ally. We gotta do whatever we want, wherever we can to defend them and protect them. Which, if they're our greatest ally, go for it. Problem is they're not our greatest ally, and this war has nothing to do with us, and it doesn't help us, and it doesn't keep you more safe, it's not for you, it's not whatever, you know. It's insincere. It's they they claim that they're the real patriots, they're the real loyalists, they are the America first movement. That's what they claim, and they're not. They care more about helping and benefiting another country than they do for our own country. They care more about winning a war across the seas to stop the tentacles of terror than they do to protect you and your border and your people. And we've talked about this before too, but Trump in his movement, they scammed us, they lied to us. Mass deportations, no new wars, this, this, and that. And it's the opposite of all of that, essentially. And it's like a lot of the people that are so pro-Trump, they have they're still defending him to this day. And I I like him enough. He said still said some good things, he's done a lot for the movement overall, but this second administration has been a mess, and it's not for us. It was not like it was promised for us. It's ran totally differently. And I think it shows if you go watch that that friendly fire episode, it shows the difference. It it like clear as day to me shows the generational gap, the spectrum gap on the right side. It it makes it so obvious, at least in I would say the younger generation's eyes, what your choices are. And there's been a lot of debate recently about the midterms. They're coming up in, you know, this fall, essentially. And some of them are already, elections are already going on. But you have the midterms coming up, and it's what do we want? Do we want more of the same? Do we want something new? What are our options? What are our alternatives? It seems like, for as long as I've been involved in politics and extremely interested and invested in it, the last 10 years, let's say, and for people who are much older, they they should know this as well. It seems like you get more of the same no matter what. And we need something different, we need something alternative. We need something that's actually founded on a belief or value system or in a religion or in a serious set of you know moral guidelines, which we don't have. And I think that's what our generation, what the people, that's what they want. That's what we're not getting. And you have the 2026 midterms, then two years down the road, we're only we're halfway through already, essentially. We have the next presidential election. What's that gonna look like? And I'm not I'm not some Republican till the day I die. I think they better align with my beliefs and better represent what we should be, what we want to be. But even then, it doesn't seem like we're getting it. Like, what are the options gonna be?

SPEAKER_01 14:55

That's the thing, is that our generation, and I think they're starting to get it. I don't know. After this friendly fire episode, I don't think they are, but they better, they better start to.

SPEAKER_03 15:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

But our generation, Gen Z, I don't think we're loyal to a party. We're not loyal to these people in politics or these people that are in power or above it. We're not loyal to that. We don't care. We don't care about the celebrity crap, we don't care about the politics crap. What are you doing for me? And are you gonna deliver on what you said you were gonna do? And that's loyal to what we care about.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

We're loyal, we're loyal to our ideals and our the message that we're being told. And it does, I think you're right, it does matter a lot less if it's left or right or who it's from. It matters what they're saying. And like the left, the the there's a lot of crazy liberals in our generation, believe me, we're aware. But what do they mainly believe in? It's not even the person, you know, it's not AOC, it's not Newsom, it's not Biden, it's not Kamala. It's what they support. They support affordable, everything, free stuff, you know. We're gonna give to you guys, take some rich, give to you guys, free abortion, equality for all. That's what they support. They they care less about the candidate than the right wing does. The right wing almost, especially recently, cares about Trump and his ideal, and his picture, and his who he anoints as the next king. That's what they care about.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

The right the left does that very well, is that they support the idea, the message, the the promises behind the person. But what they're gonna do.

SPEAKER_02 16:21

But that's what aligns a Gen Z aligns a lot more with what they believe and what they're told and the who the message is rather than who it's from. Um, so I think that's important for Republicans to remember going into the midterms, for conservatives to remember who we're electing, who's running, what their platform is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

Um again, it's just it's like I don't, I think I think because we grew up on social media, it's just something about us. We just we don't fall for the BS. We just and it's I cringe saying it because it does sound cringy. But I don't know. Like I just we don't fall for it. We don't okay, and let's say you do it. You say you're gonna deport all these people, do it. You're not.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

And whatever you want to say for the left and the right, we're dead set on our beliefs, you know? Like they, the trans liberal, crazy lefties, I mean, they're willing to die in the streets of Minneapolis for what they believe in. Yeah, yeah, they're stupid and they get themselves killed, but they believe in it. That's why they do it, you know? Like, whatever you want to say about our generation, good or bad, that is what it seems to be. And I wanted to go back to one more thing with the friendly fire episode. The problem I have with what they're saying, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Clavin, and their crowd, they're not arguing anymore. Do you remember? Do you remember, believe it or not, when Ben Shapiro used to say facts don't care about your feelings? When Ben Shapiro used to have he used to have the data in the statistics, in the facts, in the this, in that, and all this going back, and he would destroy everyone in debates and arguments. What does he have now? Now he says you're morally in you're morally, you're hypocrisy. You're a terrible member of society. You create this, you know. That's what he says. He has no argument other than I disagree with you and you're immoral for saying that.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

I want to touch on the fear-mongering and the name-calling that's coming from uh it's really, it really is Ben Shapiro right now doing it for the most part.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

They're so fake. They're so fake. I I have I have to say this. Did we not, as the Republicans, as the conservatives, say, oh, look at the lefties, they're calling everyone Nazis. That's so funny. They don't mean that. They don't know what the word means. No, we're not Nazis. We said that for the last 10 years.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

You would call up a minority's behavior and you would be called a racist.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

Right. You're a Nazi. You're a terrible piece. Guess what? Guess what? Andrew Claven said, Tucker Carlson is a demon-infested Nazi. That's a quote. He is a demon-infested Nazi. Oh, it's so. So it's like, we we're here, right here. And it's it's from, oh, you guys are Nazis because you believe this, this, and this. And now the segment that was right here, they're calling people to the right of them Nazis for disagreeing and believing in something else. And if you want to argue something and if you want to state your case, then they should be like they were 10 years ago and argue their case in their platform and fight for what they believe in. Not say, I can't believe he said that. He's demon infested. Candace Owens, her message is demonic. Demon infested. It's demonic. And I'm like, Tucker Carlson, you can say what you want about him, disagree, like him, hate him, whatever. Demon infested? Nazi? Tucker Carlson? You think he's a Nazi? Like, do you hear what you're saying? They became it. They became the very thing they swore to destroy, right? But like, it's true. But it's true. They did. And sorry, I keep cutting you off, but it, I mean, it gets me going like nothing else. And it's crazy that they can't see it.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

And that's on purpose, too. That language is on purpose. I don't care. It's on purpose. That's that isn't just a word they're pulling from their word bank. It's on purpose. Because then they can say to Michael Knowles, who is a devout Catholic, well, Michael, they did. Michael, shouldn't you be against things that are demonic? Yeah. And to Christians like us, well, shouldn't you shouldn't you be against demonic things because of your religion? Right. So they use our religion against us to manipulate you. To manipulate, to put fear in you. Well, look at look at what Tucker and Candace is saying. They're demonic. You as a Christian, you as a Catholic, should be against that. What? I'm sorry. I agree.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

It's crazy. They will sit there and say, Well, your religion says this. You have to be against demonic things. And I said Tucker Carlson is demonic. So you have to listen to me. Say the words, Michael. Say the words.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Dance like a little monkey. Be a puppet.

SPEAKER_02 20:35

Well, yeah, what did he say? Oh, he's like, I'm not gonna be a puppet. And he's like, you're gonna be not a puppet right now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

He's like, there's tap dancing going on over there.

SPEAKER_02 20:42

What? Right. I mean, but I mean they call it out, they call Michael Knowles out in the episode and say, Well, he's demonic. You have to be against it. You're Catholic. And it's like, no, no. Michael Knowles can decide what he believes and what he doesn't believe and what his faith means. That's what he can decide, what's right and wrong. He's not gonna sit there and have you lecture him. And if he does, I think that's fake and weak and all everything else. He shouldn't do that, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:09

Facts don't care about your feelings, Mr. Shapiro. You call him demonic, prove he's demonic. Prove he's demon infested. You can't you can't be calling people demon-infested just because you don't like them.

SPEAKER_02 21:23

And I would encourage you to go back and look at Ben Shapiro's content and see when's the last time, not a one-off, but when's the last time he consistently gave arguments for what he believes and what other people believe? It's been a long time. From what I noticed, from what I've been hearing recently, it's been a long time. It now has turned into, like the left, name calling, assumptions, finger pointing. This, this, and that. That's terrible. That's immoral. I can't believe you said that. Andrew Claven, you're a demon infested Nazi. You know, like what are we talking about? Who did we become?

SPEAKER_01 21:52

And that's why, and that's why people are so sick of men like Ben Shapiro, because back up. Your claim like you always have, and don't act like the very thing that you hated five years ago. It's annoying and it's irritating. And that's why I think our generation is moving towards people like Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

There's a clip of Megan Kelly a couple weeks ago. She said, um, or more recently, she said, Oh, Bench Beer and I were friends for 15 years. I thought good friends, this, this, and that, you know? And it's like, okay, you guys are no longer friends because he disagrees with something you said and he's mad at you. Instead of being adults and talking about it, they have to publicly blast each other.

SPEAKER_00 22:36

Right.

SPEAKER_02 22:37

Boss. They have to publicly blast each other in the podcast wars. And then someone like Michael Knowles, who maybe doesn't want to get involved with it as publicly facing, he gets put in a bad position. Like, no, you have to be fighting for this.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

Call her evil or else.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

Right.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

Come on.

SPEAKER_02 22:54

And it's like, I don't know, say what you want about the left, but they don't destroy themselves. I'm not saying we should just be for the left or anything. I totally disagree with that. But they're on their same side. Why don't we take our side? Why don't we stand up for our people and our beliefs?

SPEAKER_01 23:12

Well, that's what I was saying in an earlier episode. I'm like, I'm glad that we have the upper hand right now, the conservatives and the Republican Party, because Trump is president. And I think we do have, we have won the culture, but that's given us room to breathe. And it's a good thing. It's a good thing that we're not always on this like fight or flight kind of defense.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

But it always happens after a big win, though.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Because we have this win, and because we have this room to breathe, now we turn towards each other. We turn against each other. And these stupid podcast wars start, and then everyone's just against each other. And it's like, okay, guys, whoa, what are we doing? What does our party stand for anymore?

SPEAKER_02 23:50

And what everyone knows, what you know, what I know, every political podcaster, every influencer, every sitting governor, candidate, former, current, everyone in the admins, the administration, they all know that when Trump leaves, the right wing gets redefined.

SPEAKER_01 24:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

The Republican Party, the right wing, the conservatives, the GOP, whatever you want to call them, it changes. When Trump is gone after this last term, there is a gap. There is a power gap. It's like a great empire is falling. You know, and you almost you felt it in the influence space when Charlie Kirk died, when Charlie Kirk was assassinated. You felt, you felt it in the in the influence space. There's a rise for power, everyone's grasping at turning point, everyone's trying to get to the next, whatever. It'll be 10 times worse, 10 times more apparent when Trump's administration is over. That will define us. Who are the Republicans going to be? What are we going to stand for? Forget the Republicans, screw them. Who are conservatives? What does that mean to you and I?

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Because we've grasped on the Republican Party, we've grasped on to Trump and not the message behind him, like we were saying earlier. And that is why it's going to be such a show.

SPEAKER_02 24:57

Such a part of it too is the people that are actually for his message, they realize they're not getting it. So the people that are for still for his message, they want that message, whether it's through him or someone else, but they're not getting what they're not getting what they were promised. And we said that earlier.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

But you're gonna see in the midterms, in the next election, after Trump's gone, there will be two major sides going at it, fighting for their political power and stake and position in, I guess you could call it the next generation, but really the next idea of what the conservative movement is about.

SPEAKER_01 25:32

And the problem is that I feel like JD Vance's strategy right now is to write on the coattails of Trump. Being like, I was his VP.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

I mean, that's his job. He's he's the VP, that's what he has to do.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Right, but now he's trying to be propped up as the next golden boy for the party, and he's going to be running in 2028. That's who we that's who we're standing behind, that's who we're gonna elect. And it's kind of like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait a minute, wait a minute. I need you to prove to yourself to me, to the nest to us, the Gen Z voters, that you're JD Vance. Who is JD Vance? I don't care about Trump anymore. He's gonna be out of office. Right. And quite frankly, he's disappointed a lot of us. Yeah. So who are you? And what are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_02 26:14

What have we seen from you? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

And that that is a problem I see coming as well. Is that he's focusing too much on the fact that he is part of the Trump administration. Focus on the fact of what do you believe in and what do your people want?

SPEAKER_02 26:35

He's gonna have a decision coming up here soon what side he wants to be on. Does he want to stay with the current power structure, the current side of the GOP, or does he want to move into the more conservative, more traditional, more based, younger, rising power? He's gonna have that decision he has to make. So I don't know which side he'll make. I don't know. I have some feelings, but uh two years is a long way from now, honestly, and a lot can change.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

But that's true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

Like you said, we want to see who he is. We want to see what he's about. I have a feeling we've already seen it. I mean, we saw it from the time he was appointed as VP. They're gonna be pushing him hard. And I think it's our job to say, well, okay, that's fine if he's a great candidate, but is he a great candidate? Why are you pushing him? Yeah. What do we need to know about him?

SPEAKER_01 27:18

It's not enough that he's Trump's VP. It's not.

SPEAKER_02 27:21

And if anything, if this administration continues to be how it is or gets worse, it's actually a negative aspect of JD Vance is that he was tied to this campaign, tied to this administration, you know? So Right.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

And then one last thing I I want to mention too, is that um Michael Knowles also had a really good point during this friendly fire, is that uh these podcast wars, when Ben Shapiro gets on his show, and when he gets up at Turning Point in the USA their Am Fest, and he gives a speech, and he takes that time and he takes that energy and he takes his breath to bash other conservatives in the space like Tucker Carlson and like Meghan Kelly, when he takes that time, Ben Shapiro will argue that it is their moral, it is his moral duty to do so because Tucker Carlson is doing something evil and wrong. And so Ben's position as a moral person is to call it out. But then Michael knows had a really good point, and he was like, Well, it's not working, is it? They are only growing more popular. Yeah, and by you continuing to whine and complain about it, it's just putting them back into the spotlight. By Ben taking an entire episode, it was like an hour-long episode of his.

SPEAKER_02 28:42

I mean, he's done everything. He's done Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlos, and Megan Gelly.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

About Nick Fuentes.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

The entire thing. And it wasn't even like, hey guys, this new younger conservative is on the rise. His name is Nick Fuentes. He has some ideas that I disagree with. Here's why I disagree with them, and here's why they're wrong. No, the entire hour is him just plays plays clips, and it's like, I can't believe he could say that.

SPEAKER_02 29:08

And that's it.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

Right. Cut clips out of context, too. He'll play like a little like 10-second clip and it's like, play the rest of it.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

And it's the same thing he does to Tucker. And it's the same thing he said about Candace and about Megan. And to be fair, Megan and Tucker, they attacked him too at Amphest because it's that's what's going on. That's where the party is. There's a divide, there's a power struggle. But like you said, when's he gonna back it up? When's he gonna have an argument? What does that mean when you disagree with someone, when someone's a Nazi?

SPEAKER_01 29:34

Collect those facts that you've preached about for the past 10 years and tell him why Meghan Kelly, why Tucker Carlson, why they are so why they are demon infested. Right.

SPEAKER_03 29:45

What's the thing?

SPEAKER_01 29:47

Don't just call them these names. I want to know why exactly you think that. And that's what's irritating about it too, is that it is just this complaining. It's not an actual argument or a debate about why their their ideas are so dangerous and why we shouldn't listen to them, why they shouldn't even have a mic in the first place.

SPEAKER_02 30:06

One last thing before we wrap up here. The victim mindset is one of the most iconic left-wing identifiers that they've come up with, right? They're victims, they're oppressed, they're the minorities, they fake this, they're they're always struggling and sad and this and complaining. That's what we always pointed out. That's what the right wing always pointed out. That's what people like Ben Spear would always make fun of them for. They're so victim mentality. Then you have Ben Spear and Andrew Claven being the victims. Oh, I can't believe they're they're saying this. They're so popular because of it. We have to stand up and fight them, you know? Like, I think Andrew Clavin said if you are anti-Semitic in the right wing, you gain 15 million followers. And I'm like, Okay, so if you're anti-Semitic in the right wing, you automatically gain 15 million followers. Okay, so that's what you believe, that's what he says, whatever. But what does that mean? What's your argument?

SPEAKER_01 30:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:55

Again, it's the victim, it's the victim narrative that they what's one more thing that they're hypocritical for, one more thing that they've preached against their entire careers, and now they have the chance to be the victim, and they turn it into victim blaming in I mean, just playing into it and complaining about it. And I I mean, we're just repeating ourselves at this point, but face the argument, face the challenge, face it head on. That's what our generation would like to see. That's what the voters would like to see. That's what this next uh generation that is seeking influence and direction in I guess political power from, that's what we want to see. Is people making decisions and having arguments and fleshing things out in making sense of things. Not, oh, I can't believe he'd say that. They're a terrible person. Here's what here's why. They don't say the here's why. Yeah, they just call go into name calling.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

Yeah, there's no more here's why, here's my proof, here's my argument. It is just like whining and complaining.

SPEAKER_02 31:46

Right. Because they're immoral. That's why we we we don't like disagree because it's like, oh, fundamental disagreements, whatever. No, they're an evil person because they disagree. They're demonic. That's what it's turned into.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

They're demonic.

SPEAKER_02 31:56

Demonic confess it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

And you as a Christian should denounce that.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

Right.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

Say it, Michael, say the line.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

We told you to. Yeah. So I think we went way overboard. We talked a lot, but that's that's all we have, I think.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

It's frustration because uh this next generation, our next generation, well, our generation of voters, us, we have like no direction. And it's it's irritating to see the people that are supposedly our leaders and our our thought leaders are they don't do their job anymore. They're all about, yeah, these facts, that's you know, they don't care about your feelings anymore. Like, but now they're all about the feelings, and now they're all about the name calling and the whining and complaining. It's like, oh my gosh, like lock in a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

And if you think Gen Z voice isn't important or doesn't need to be heard or isn't on the rise, think about the midterms. The midterms is a lot of Gen Z's second time voting, some people's third time voting. When you have the 2028 presidential election, that's almost everyone in Gen Z's second time voting. Yeah. For a lot of the younger Gen Z, it's their first time. I get that. But like that's that's real political impact. Like when you look at the charts in the demographics, in the generations, in where they lean and their trends and their data, Gen Z's on there now. Oh, they vote. We've been on there for a while and we will stay on there for a very long time. The boomers are still on there. The silent generation, they still get charged sometimes. Those people are old, they're unks. They will they have been on there forever. We will be on there forever. So it does matter where Gen Z is and where we where we'll head as a movement, as a generation, left or right. So I think that's important for people to remember.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

Thanks for listening to another episode of Propaganda. This one was a bit more of a rant sesh.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

But it's it's where our heads are at right now. And I think I can speak for a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 33:45

Yeah, it shares the frustration, I think.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

Absolutely, it does. Yeah. Um, but we always appreciate the listen. And if you can rate the podcast, it helps spread it out. Uh, follow us on all of our socials. We have TikTok at Mick and Jacob. We have Instagram at Mick and Jacob. Our YouTube is at propaganda mj. And our ex account is at propaganda mj. So give us a follow. We post all of our video content on there if you'd like to watch instead of listen. And that's about that's about it for this episode. Yeah. Have a great rest of your week, and we will talk to you Friday.