The Issues with Birthright Citizenship | Episode 35

The 14th Amendment is being challenged by Trump after being abused for years—and the reason why has everything to do with illegal immigration. Also, new updates in the Charlie Kirk assassination case just dropped… and they've been brushed off way too fast.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Thanks for tuning in to propaganda with Mick and Jacob. Happy Friday and happy Easter weekend. I think today's Good Friday. That's crazy. I can't believe it's April already. Anyway, there has been a new development in the Charlie Kirk assassination case, the his murder case.

unknown 0:17

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 0:18

You go. You go. No, you go. Just a few days ago, we found out that the bullet found in Charlie Kirk recovered from his autopsy, came back. I'm sure they've had it for a while now, but the report came out that the bullet is inconclusive and it does not provide a direct match to the gun used in the assassination. So if you'll remember, the story is. Tyler Robinson shoots Charlie Kirk, disassembles the gun, leaves the screwdriver on the roof, runs off the roof on camera footage, even though you can't see the gun because he disassembled already. He takes it to a nearby woods, reassembles it with a different screwdriver somehow, and then leaves it there. That's the story we have. So the bullet recovered from Charlie Kirk's autopsy uh has been tested by the ATF, and they found that it is a not, it's not a conclusive match. There's which that happens. That happens a fair amount, actually.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

The headlines were a little misleading. They said that the bullet didn't match, but that's not true. They don't know that it doesn't match because it's inconclusive. They can't piece it together.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

So they know that it they don't know that it matches, is basically what they're saying. Right. But this happens all the time when bullet when bullets are fragmented, when things go missing, when they go, when they get shot in different directions, and all that stuff. That happens actually a fair bit where they cannot provide a like a conclusive match to the weapon used. That's not the shock. The shock to me is that this is just one more thing that we are just supposed to whatever, like hear it and move on from it, or listen to it and not believe it. Like the amount of evidence for Tyler Robinson, some people say it's it's overwhelming. It's obviously him, it's this, this and that. And then the evidence I see is well, the camera doesn't show him having the gun, and the gun is recovered later. And allegedly he rebuilt the gun with the screwdriver, with the second screwdriver that he didn't have from the roof that he left it on.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

And it's a lot of moving pieces that don't move together.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

I'm not saying that it couldn't have been that gun or Tyler Robinson or with a different bullet. It just means like it's one more piece of the puzzle that again we're not gonna get the answer on. And the answer we do have right now is that it cannot be conclusively matched to the gun used in the assassination that they think was used in the assassination.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Right. And everyone's saying that, like, oh, well, it's the um it's the defense attorneys, Tyler Robinson's defense attorneys that are using this piece of information. True. Of course they are. I and but that makes it unreliable. Of course they're using it. I don't know. That makes it untrue because they want to say it like it's gonna, well, of course they're saying that. Well, yeah, that's a pretty good piece of defense. That yeah. And everyone's saying, like, well, of course they the defense says this, and of course they try to defend. But I'm like, this is still a pretty big development. That means that there's no bullet. How do I say this? There's no, there's nothing linking the gun with Tyler's DNA on it, allegedly. His DNA, his fingerprints were on that gun. There's nothing linking that gun with his DNA on it to Charlie right now. That bullet would have been the link. And because it's inconclusive, there is no link. Doesn't mean that it doesn't match. The inconclusive still is a pretty big development, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

Yeah. I mean, I we talked about this when it happened, but I keep going back to the video. When you see the video from kind of behind Charlie Kirk about the assassination, you hear the gunshot, everyone's screaming, and then a few seconds later, not minutes, not 30 seconds, not not two minutes, a few seconds later, you see on the top of the roof a black, shadowy figure run across the roof, right? And we are to believe that after he took the shot, remember, the the most heart-racing, tense adrenaline pumping moment of his entire life.

SPEAKER_01 3:59

You just killed a man.

SPEAKER_00 4:00

He just killed a very famous person and is trying to get away with it. And in seconds, he unscrews, screws, and disassembles the gun and puts it in his bag and then runs across the roof. That's what we're told to believe. The other story was no, he had the gun with him. Um, he just kind of like, you know, he just dropped off the roof. And it's like, that's not what the video shows. You can't see he has a jacket, it looks like. It doesn't look like the gun's in there. It's not in his, it's not stuck down his like uh sweatshirt into his pants like they thought, because when he hits the ground, his knees bend and he drops, you know. How did the gun get off the roof then? If we never see him with it, how do we know that that was the gun used or that he even used or or that the gun that they found in the woods was even tied to him?

SPEAKER_01 4:41

Right.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

Other than the DNA on it from him. But how did it get to the woods? So, and again, I'm not saying he didn't do it, but why is there was there not help? Why do we never see a video of the gun leaving the roof? And like or being brought to the roof. Right.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

There's no videos of that either. Him climbing it and getting on.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

On the staircases and the uh parking structures, he he never has the gun with him. So it was left up there for him from before. It's my thing is you you don't think the FBI, you don't think campus security, you don't think the local police, all these people that looked at it after, you don't think that they looked back through the footage to see the earliest moment of Tyler Robinson or whoever was connected with him or however the gun got up there. Of course they did. So they either have it and they're not telling us, or they don't see it, and they just have to stick with the story they got. Which, in my opinion, the story is very inconclusive, and it just shows like the longer we've the longer we wait, the more and more stuff comes out that makes you doubt.

SPEAKER_01 5:37

And this is just another big hole in the story. There's a lot of plot holes, and this is just another big one.

unknown 5:42

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

So it's hard to keep believing the narrative they're trying to sell.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

And and on maybe Tyler did do it, maybe he did, and they can't, they can't piece the bullet back together to prove that that it's linked to the gun that he had. Like you know, there's a world where that happens. It's inconclusive, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 5:58

It's so to me, it's just so like they're 100% saying that this is happening, and I'm 100% seeing that nothing makes sense to what nothing makes sense to what they're saying is happening. Like, why are we assuming Tyler Robinson took the shot? Because his DNA is on a gun they found in the woods, a gun that we never saw enter the property or leave the property.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

That doesn't match the exit or the entrance and exit wounds of the body. The bullet isn't isn't conclusive. So there's no proof there. I mean, there's a lot of yeah, we have his basically we have his confession, and that's what is I guess.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

No, we don't have his confession. He confessed to his parents. And his parents called the police.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

He never confessed to the FBI. He never like written confession.

SPEAKER_00 6:48

I don't think so, did he?

SPEAKER_01 6:49

I don't know. I actually don't know. That's a good question. I thought he had officially confessed. But you're right. I think he did confess to his parents, and he confessed over text to his lover boy. It doesn't look like he ever So there's no official confession.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

The suspect confessed to his partner allegedly before, and then he confessed to his parents as well, but he never confessed to authorities, and he also pleads innocent.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

So oh, that's right. There was that big deal because he wouldn't confess to it. That's right. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:21

Oh, it wasn't me.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

Right, right, right, right. Okay, okay. It's weird. That's right. So well, yeah, that'll be interesting to see how that continues to play out and what more details come out about that. I think that was still a pretty big development. Everyone was dis dismissing it because it was the defense.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

No, and I'm not saying that in and of itself it does it, but I'm saying it adds up to everything we've heard and we've been told. And I think we should stick with this story because the more the more things that come out, I think the more surprised we'll be what the true story is or what we'll ever get. I don't know. I mean, this is this is shaping up to be a JFK level conspiracy.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

It already is.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

And I mean, you could say that that's crazy, but I think we'll be looking back years from now and being like, why, what really happened? Oh, it's okay, fine. Tyler Robinson did it, he did it, whatever. Why did he do it? Who was helping him? Like, those are questions I don't think we'll ever have answered. So a lot of questions to ask, but yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

My question is sorry, moving on completely from that. I never know how to like move into the next topic. My question is, should there be birthright citizenship? This has been a huge uh I don't even know how to say it. This has been a huge issue in our country for a very long time. And recently the Supreme Court heard oral arguments, I think it was on April 1st, over a case that is challenging Trump's executive order against birthright citizenship. So Trump issued this executive order actually on his first day in office. So this was like he's he's on it. Um, and his goal was to prevent automatic citizenship to children born on US soil of illegal aliens. So that was his whole goal. His whole goal is not to get rid of it completely, but we want to prevent all of these people flooding across our border and then popping out babies just to have American children.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

So and Trump actually attended this oral session, and this was the first time in history a setting president has done so. Like sat in a Supreme Court oral argument. So he's following this very closely. Um, but so his administration, Trump's administration, is arguing that the 14th Amendment has been mistreated, it's been misused, misinterpreted, to grant citizenship to illegal aliens. And they want to limit the 14th Amendment's reach, basically, not completely get rid of it, but I agree with this, it should be limited because now we have the issue of now we're giving illegal aliens and really anyone in the world incentive to come here and hop our border and just have a kid, and then they can claim that their child is an American citizen. Um, so what is the 14th Amendment? Just some background in case you don't know. I didn't really know all the ins and outs of it, but it was created after the Civil War to protect the rights of former slaves and ensure fair treatment for all American citizens. So after the slaves were freed, they had this problem of like, okay, well, are they American citizens or not? So the 14th Amendment was created and it guarantees birthright citizenship. A person born on American soil is automatically a citizen, regardless of the parents' citizenship status, and they also have fairness in legal processes and equality under law. You know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

Makes sense for the time.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

Makes sense for the time, but in this day and age, I don't think it should be applied.

SPEAKER_00 10:41

Which that makes sense for the time. Um does, yeah. You know, you had the issue of what to do with people. Then you had the Union and the Confederates, and you have a lot of problems with, you know, governance and rebuilding the country and what to do with slaves, what to do with people in the north versus the south. It makes sense for the time, 100% it does. Um well it's just that was 160 years ago. Right.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

And it's been misinterpreted and mistreated, and it's been abused for modern day when it comes to illegal immigration. And this also creates the whole issue of birth tourism, too. And that's coming here just to have a baby so that the kid becomes an American citizen.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

That sounds crazy, but a lot of people do it.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

A lot of people do it. That is their main goal of just to come here, have the kid, and then their parents to an American citizen, which I I don't know if that makes the um process for them easier. I you know, they get to stay here. I there's obviously incentives there.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

Gives them an automatic excuse to come to the US. Right, exactly. You know, traveling. Easier to get visa following, yeah. Because you're visiting your kid.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

And this this was the huge, I guess, argument you could say from the Trump administration during this oral argument. It was brought up. Um, and it's it's always hard to get the exact numbers because these are illegal immigrants and we have no idea who's coming to this country, when or for how long. It's ridiculous. But Chinese media, and I I didn't even know this. This like boggles my mind. This is crazy. Chinese media reports that as early as 2015 there were 500 birth tourism companies, companies in the People's Republic of China whose sole mission is to bring people to the US to give birth. 500 companies, companies, I and that's their main mission is to give it to that's their goal. That would be their mission statement.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

To bring people over here.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

They probably give a lot of business too. There's a lot of people in China.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 12:43

And it is communistic, but there's also a fair amount of rich people who can afford to come here and have their kids here or send their kids here in, you know, try to go on some tourism visa and pop a kid out when they're here, you know.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

Get better schools, get better, whatever, you know.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

That is obviously not what the 14th Amendment was created for. When Abraham Lincoln in Congress, in the Senate, and all those people were thinking about, oh, what should we do here? You know, when the Supreme Court was like, when the Supreme Court was like, oh, should we have the 14th Amendment or not? What do we do here? They were not imagining companies from a foreign country sending mom and dad over to pop a kid out here so that their kid can have American citizenship by legality, by just automatic consideration under the law. That's not what they meant, and you and I know that, obviously. So times change, uh, circumstances change, the world, the political, the political and economic state of the world, the politics of the world, all that changes, especially in the given amount of time of 160 plus years. So it's totally it seems totally reasonable to me that uh the Supreme Court and under a different administration would want to go back and look at some previous rulings, some previous amendments. Rework and not get rid of them, not cut them down, but yeah, change it, alter it, make it fit more so of our times.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 14:03

I mean, okay, think about it this way women couldn't vote until the 19th Amendment. But it it wasn't in the but it wasn't in the constitutional for women to Okay, but the times changed and they made it so women could vote. Isn't that a pretty good example? Okay, maybe in 1776 women weren't voting, you know? But hundred years later, they are. Okay? Hundred years later, they revisit it and women get to vote, you know. So the times change. And I'm not saying that the entire constitution needs to be rewritten or all of our law and whatever, but it makes sense why you would have to revisit some things every once in a while. And the 14th Amendment is a great example of it, especially after it's being purposely used and abused. Right. So think of how many people are here right now who were born here, so they're American citizens, just like you and I, whose parents aren't from here. They don't know English, they don't care about this country, they only came here to have their kid here. The kid might be legal because they were born here, but the parents are still illegal. How many millions of people are here like that? They don't care about this country, they don't like it. They they they like to abuse it and to be here and to use it for what it's for, but they have allegiances and loyalties and they prefer their home country, their own country, their tongue, their people, their culture. It's not it's not a few, it's millions of them. So when you have the argument of, oh, deportations, oh, family separation, we can't separate the kid's legal. I mean, how can you take away the parents if the kid? Well, this is this is part of the problem. This is part of the reason it needs to be looked at. It needs to be ended, birthright citizenship.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

Not under the context of your parents are legal American citizens, but under the context of you have foreign, you have foreign individuals and foreign citizens from another country coming here to have a kid here to make them an American citizen.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

Just to have a kid for the very reason of for the sole purpose of them becoming a citizen. And again, allegedly, like I don't know, no one knows for sure because there's no way to actually know a for sure number. Because people have flooded this country, but there are figures estimating that there's more than one million, up to 1.5 million cases of this birth tourism from China alone. That is That's just one country. That's insane.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Yeah, recorded estimates from one country. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 16:35

That's that's just China. Think about think about everything coming up from the south. I don't even I don't even want to know those numbers.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

Well, we know Biden under his administration, it was at least 15 million. Right. Again, the estimates are hard, like you're saying. But that's it's it's in that ballpark. That's not nothing. It's a lot of people. And a lot of them who came here illegally and are still here illegally, some of them have kids. A lot of them bring kids with them, you know? And this helps protect them. This helps the family separation. This helps not get not getting thrown across the border while your kid is here illegally because they're a citizen now, so you should get to stay, right?

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

Yeah, that's what it would kind of cut down on.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

And you know, this is also a huge wake-up call for people that I don't know, that people that don't think what we have is special. American citizenship is coveted. There are entire companies in China dedicated to obtaining it. This is not something to be handed out freely. I I don't know, I feel like there's a lot of American citizens that don't think what they've been born into is unique or special or it but it is. I clearly it is. Everyone wants it. If they if it was just and if we were just some random other country, no one would be wanting to come here to that level.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 17:58

To create entire organizations to obtain that kind of privilege.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

Even after we've devalued citizenship by allowing millions of illegals in illegals are still trying to get citizenship, and there's still people from other countries are still doing all they can to have their kids here for them to be citizens. And you're right, we we overlook it all the time because we're used to it and we we don't really appreciate it, and we're just oh yeah, whatever, whatever. But being a part of voting in, contributing to our country, you're right, that should be a privilege. That should be looked upon as something with insane value, something that you can't really put a number on.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

So no, I don't think we should be able to just give that out.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

Like it's and when they're abusing it, that's not that's obviously not the proper intent of the 14th Amendment.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

I really liked what Stephen Miller had to say during this oral argument. He is the White House Deputy Chief of Staff, and he said, quote, to say that this same class of excluded foreigners whose very presence here is a crime, when Congress mandated a physical wall to keep them out, have a legal right to birth American citizens is the gravest and most preposterous of all constitutional abominations. End quote. I like that's I could that's perfectly said. Why do we think that people whom we we put a we put a wall up to block out why do we think that they have any right to come over here and pop out a kid and automatically accept that and be like, all right, oh you got us. Yes, you're an American citizen. Sounds good. You're here to stay.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

We don't, it doesn't have to be like this. I wish it wasn't, but it does not have to stay like this. And although it looks like it's whatever, insurmountable, and that ICE is shutting off deportations and they're not doing anything, and yeah, you can't you really can't fix it. We can try and it'll take time, but this would sure help. This is a start to it. And it's not what we were promised, it's not the whole mass deportations like everyone voted for. Well, at the very least you gotta you gotta ask for something, and we gotta be given something because we voted for this. So uh it's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

At the very least, it would take some incentive away. At the very least. I think if if we're if the problem right now is that there's so many illegal immigrants here, so many illegal aliens, then let's maybe take away some of that incentive that makes them want to come here.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:31

Like they're all they'll always want to come here because we're a great country. We have the freedoms that they will never have. But yeah, maybe let's not tell them that, oh, if you have a kid, then they get those freedoms automatically. Absolutely. I I hope that this does get in the very least reworked or reimagined in some way that excludes illegal immigrants from that. We'll see. It's sounding like this will be probably a long battle, but from what I've heard, it looks like the beginning of summer-ish. They'll have an answer. I don't know. That's yeah, we'll see, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:09

I could actually see them doing something with it just because of the balance in the Supreme Court, but it's tough. Anytime you're they look at changing a previous amendment, that's a lot of a lot of work, yeah. They like to have a lot of like precedent and looking at it and weighing the options, which I I understand.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

As they should, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:29

This is a no-brainer, so we need this, we need this done.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

It would absolutely help, yeah. Thanks for listening to another episode of Propaganda. We hope that you have a great Easter weekend. He has risen. Celebrate with your family, have a great weekend. Um, and if you want to follow us on all of our other socials. If you're listening right now, you're gonna want to follow all of our uh video content TikTok at Mick and Jacob. And then our Instagram is at propaganda mj. And our YouTube is at propaganda gemj as well. Well, at propaganda mj as well. You can see our full form content on there and all of our video content. And if you're listening to this, um, give us a like and follow. It really helps get the podcast out. And we will see you on Tuesday. Have a great weekend.