First World Countries Importing Third World Problems

We break down the UK murder case of Henry Nowak, why that’s a prime example of the UK’s demise, Karmelo Anthony's case (yes he’s 100% guilty), and the YouTubers facing backlash after aborting a baby diagnosed with Down Syndrome. Three stories fueling major debates about justice, morality, and media narratives

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:02

Thanks for tuning in. You're listening to Propaganda with Mick and Jacob. All right. I always thought, I'm like, what if one day there was a situation, a George Floyd situation, but reversed. I always thought, I'm like, I just, I just out of curiosity, I wonder what the reaction would be. I wonder what it would be like or the public opinion. Because I mean, we remember 2020. We remember George Floyd. That was a little crazy. And believe it or not, it happened over, not in the United States, over in the UK, but back in December of 2025, an 18-year-old university student was attacked on his way back to his dorm room. He was stabbed several times, I think up six to eight with an eight-inch ceremonial blade. His attacker ended up actually calling in the police, saying that he, the attacker, had been the victim of a racial hate crime. So the the police, they arrived at the scene, right? They identified the attacker, though they didn't know he was the attacker at the time. Uh as 23-year-old Vic. They identified the attacker as 23-year-old Vikram Digwa.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Vikram Digwa.

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Vikram Digwa. They believed his story, okay? They believed him that he was this victim of a horrible racial hate crime. And they ended up handcuffing the 18-year-old university student, who we later find out is a boy by the name of Henry Nowak. So they handcuff him, put it on the ground, and they believe that he's the person at fault in this situation.

SPEAKER_00 1:43

He's the violent aggressor.

SPEAKER_03 1:45

He's the violent aggressor.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

Right.

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And just recently, body cam footage was released of this incident. So now we can see what really happened.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

It's bad.

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In those during that night. Now we can see what finally happened in this whole situation once the police arrived. So in this body cam footage, we have the police officers pinning Henry Nowak to the ground, handcuffing him, arresting him because they think he's the one that has, I don't know, caused the situation. And Henry Nowak is saying, he's telling the officers, he's like, I've been stabbed. I, you know, I'm I'm literally bleeding to death. I've been stabbed. I need help. And he's like, I he says, you know what he says? He says, I can't breathe. I'm not even making this up. He says, I can't breathe. I've been stabbed.

SPEAKER_00 2:32

He said, I've been stabbed, I can't breathe. And the officer says, I don't think you have, mate. That's what he said to him.

SPEAKER_03 2:36

They don't believe him. They don't believe him.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

They didn't check him, they didn't look at him, they didn't anything. He's dying there. And then they get him in cuffs. You see his hand like in cuffs or whatever. And unlike George Floyd, he actually died in police custody. Um, and by the time they roll him over, and he's, you know, on the ground, face first on the ground, he's got his cuff behind his back. They, I think it's a female officer, maybe EMT, I don't know. But someone's there, and they're like asking to check him, and then they re- Oh, yep, there's nothing. He's he's gone. He dies at the scene. So what does that say? Like, there's a few different things.

SPEAKER_03 3:15

Um one they believed so I just have a hard time stomaching that they like these are these are your police, these are your this is your justice system. These are the men and the women that are in charge of keeping you safe. And when they arrive to a scene, they immediately just believe one person's word over the other. Like, you know what I mean? They don't even stop to think, okay, well, what's really going on here? You know, maybe we should dig a little more into this. It's just shocking.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

So let's see what why did they believe the guy who called? So Vikram Digwa is a Sikh. So he's like a Sikh Indian guy. Um, that's actually the only reason he has a knife on him. I don't know if you knew this. Knives like that are not allowed. They are banned in the UK. You cannot own them, you cannot have them. So why does Mr. Digwa, why does the Sikh Indian, why does he have one?

SPEAKER_03 4:12

Why does he get to have one?

SPEAKER_00 4:13

Oh, because it's a ceremonial blade that they use for sacrifices. It's a part of their religion. So a foreigner who comes to the country, whether legally or illegally, he, because of his religion, his weird third world cultish pagan religion, he is allowed to carry a ceremonial sacrificial eight-inch knife on him. Henry Nowak, the bright young student coming home from college, going back to his dorm, 18-year-old kid, he is not allowed to have anything. He's not allowed to have his own city, he's not allowed to have his own country, he can't have a weapon for self-defense, he doesn't even have a right to go to his own college and be safe from third world invaders and seek butchers trying to kill him on the street. The second thing is it's a racial hate crime. Well, what did he say? What did he do? I don't know if that's fully clear. I don't know if that's out. Um, there was no sort of attacking in any sort of way from Henry Nowak. Um, I believe they got in like a fight after they were egging each other on. I believe there was like a skirmish. And then the Sikh man, obviously, because he has the weapon, he pulls him out and stabs him and kills him. So, but interestingly enough, they call the police. Um, I believe it was it was the attacker or his brother. They call the police and say they've been a victim of a hate crime, a racial hate crime. So the police show up. What is the more dangerous threat? The third world Sikh man who barely speaks like English that has a ceremonial blade on him.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

I heard his mom took the blade.

SPEAKER_00 5:49

Yeah. They gave the police a different one originally, is what I heard.

SPEAKER_03 5:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

Yeah.

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So they hide the weapon, the murder weapon.

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Vikram, give me the blade quickly. We must hide it. Okay. And I shouldn't be joking about it because it's like actually a terrible situation. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure a lot of you would do things for your family too. But like, this is how these people make it. This is how they come to a new country. This is how they set up their own laws. This is how they invade a place and change it and shape it to their culture. Yeah. They help each other out, they take the fall for each other, they lie for each other. They will tell, like, they have no honor, they have no morality, they have no respect for the justice system or the law or the culture of the UK, of Britain. Okay. They will hide things, they will lie about things, they will, they will cry wolf when they themselves were actually the attacker, the aggressor. They'll blame the victim. It's a racial hate crime. Arrest him.

SPEAKER_03 6:45

Isn't that so funny? That's like the unforgivable thing, too. Right.

SPEAKER_00 6:48

But so when they show up, he's guilty. Right. Immediately.

SPEAKER_03 6:51

Immediately.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

Even though it's lying on the ground.

SPEAKER_03 6:54

Right.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

It's messed up. It's actually it's evil. The fact that that's happening. Because like, yes, it's evil in the sense of a person was killed and that's bad. And like, and that shouldn't have happened, obviously. But it's evil in the sense of everything in every part of the system and the government and the control in that country, in Henry Nowak's country, his land, his parents' land, his inheritance, everything there is against him. And everything there screwed him over and gave the benefit, the benefit of the doubt, the benefit of the economy, the benefit of the doubt for letting them have their ceremonial blade on them for sacrificial whatever, whatever, for their religion. Everyone, the police that showed up, they screwed him over. The British man, the young, like we were saying, the young bright kid who had like a future, that's true though, he got the short end of the stick. When the police show up, he's assumed that he's the guilty one. He is the aggressor, he's the violent one. Not the third worder who came here, but him. They point the finger at him. It's like that is, and that is actually evil. The fact that the people that are supposed to be in charge of helping him and protecting him and defending him and his country and his people and their land and their customs, they are like screwing them in every possible situation. And it's the same with it's the same with every other white country, it's the same with every first world country. There's nothing different about that. But it's just when it's when it's so blatantly in your face. Yeah. We've talked about this before in the US with the illegals and the drunk driving accidents and the raping and the kidnapping. We've talked about that. But it is, it is, I mean this when I say it. If Vikram Digwa was not there, if Vikram Digwa was not there, name is so stupid.

SPEAKER_03 8:54

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

You must not understand their culture then.

SPEAKER_03 8:57

It's so I'm sorry, Digwa.

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Vikram Digwa.

SPEAKER_03 9:02

The way you say it. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:09

I mean this when I say it.

SPEAKER_03 9:12

I don't know why. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. No, I am not laughing at the situation. Is it's just of course it's a Vikram Digwa. Like, what the what the hell is that name? Who is that? Yeah what is that even? Sorry. Sorry, I interrupted you.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

If Vikram Digwa was not in that country, he was not there. Henry Nowak would be alive today. We know that's true. We all know that's true. Yeah. I don't care if he came there legally or illegally. The man who has a right to his own country is Henry Nowak, not Vikram Digwa. His right is to go live in the hellhole third world seek whatever seek Indian country that he's from. Okay, he should go stay there with his mother and his brother and his lying family in the scammers that are like them. They should go back there where they're from, and their government can protect them and help them look out for them. Not come to the UK and ask the Brits, hey, let me know, look out for me too. I get my ceremonial bra I get my ceremonial blade, right?

SPEAKER_03 10:27

Like even though you guys don't get one, right? But I I can get one, right? Because it's like my religion. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

That's the evil part about it.

SPEAKER_03 10:35

I will say it is nice because I mean, I don't know if I would say their justice system came through the like the full way. I think that man should be like in jail forever. Like he should never he should be deported. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 10:49

I don't know what happened to they find him guilty of the job.

SPEAKER_03 10:50

He ended up um the jury decided that his claims of self-defense were obviously a lie and the racial hate crime didn't happen. Um and so he was sentenced to life imprisonment with a he was sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum of term of 21 years. I don't know if 21 years is long enough. I don't know. And I don't know. I don't know. I think he I don't know, it should have been longer. To like to stab someone seemingly unprovoked. Like, I don't think there's anything that Nowak could have done to deserve being stabbed to death by an eight-inch blade. Nothing he could have done. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, nothing, nothing justifies that. And then for that man to then call in the police and completely spin it. He knows what he's doing. He's the these people aren't stupid, okay? He knows exactly what he's doing. That is someone that one should never have been let in, but you know, whatever. They decided to let that happen. But then two, he should never ever get let out on parole, get the chance of having a life because he stole a life. He doesn't get to have one now.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:08

No, and it's really sad too because, like, imagine being no axe parents where you send your kid to college, to university, and I mean, he's just he's living his life. He doesn't get involved with the wrong people, it sounds like he's just he's literally heading home to his dorm, and this is what happens.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

Did you hear what his his dad said though?

SPEAKER_03 12:26

No.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

So he gave like a statement to the press and he said, like, we're deeply saddened, this should have happened, this is terrible, but we don't want to make this about any sort of division or further racial angst and like whatever, whatever. And it's like, okay, people like him, people like Henry Noak's father, that mindset, that thinking, I'm not saying it's his fault, but that mindset and that thinking in the people of England and the UK and all these people, mainly people in the government, but also it it transcends their culture as well. They believe that. Like, you guys are the problem. If what is his name? Vikram Digwa. If he wasn't there, Henry, your son would still be alive. And I'm not saying he had any sort of individual control over that, but for him to be like, let's not make this anymore. No, this is divisive. They hate you. They are in your country and they hate you. They are stabbing you and your kids on the street. They are stabbing and killing your sons, they're raping and kidnapping your daughters. What is that? What about that is not divisive? What about that is not on purpose? They come to your country to steal your benefits and your stuff, and they're depriving you and your kids of the nation, the cohesion that you're supposed to have.

SPEAKER_02 13:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

I don't know. And obviously, you feel for the family, that's a terrible situation, and it's not their fault at all. It's not what I'm saying. But like the thinking, and that's uh largely that's the same thinking in the US too, but especially over there, it's like, no, this isn't about race. This isn't we don't need to make this any more divisive. It's like you guys are at war right now and you don't realize it. You're helping the enemy. Like, it really is as simple as that.

SPEAKER_03 14:11

Let's say, let's say it's not about race, though. Let's say, like, let's say, let's take it out of it, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:15

Yeah, let's say John Smith stabbed Henry Nowak.

SPEAKER_03 14:18

No, I'm just gonna say it's a it's a culture war. Like, I think like let's just because I know there's people because there's gonna be people that get mad about it. Let's at least, let's can we at least agree on the fact that it's a cultural difference. Like, like he was saying, John Smith, like Henry Nowak, the neighbors that he grew up with, most likely, the people that he that his parents were friends with, those people would not have done that. You know that. You and I both know that they wouldn't have done that. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

Not many Brits are stabbing other Brits. Right. A lot of other people that are saying they're Brits are stabbing Brits. That's what's actually happening. That's the problem. So this plug, this problem, this war is happening. Uh in you know, most first world countries, all white countries. This is happening. Uh, remember you in the US last year at the track meet in Texas, Carmelo Anthony he stabbed Austin Metcalf. Do you remember that? A lot of the media it got a lot of attention. I was surprised. But also a lot of the media didn't talk about it, didn't cover it. As always. Why is that? The problem is Carmelo Anthony's black, Austin Metcalf's white. These are high schoolers at a track meet, and it's a huge tournament there. Um, what happens is Carmelo Anthony goes into Austin Metcalf's tent, their team tent. They tell him to get out, he says no, they get in a little fight, and someone else has a knife on them. High school are bringing a knife to attract meet for no reason. And Carmelo Anthony stabs and kills Austin Metcalf. Stabs him straight through the heart. Uh that's the details described in the autopsy. Stabs him multiple times, and he dies right there. So right now, Carmelo Anthony, he's on trial. Um he's being charged with first-degree murder, obviously. Uh the trial's still ongoing. They met last week. Uh, they have the trial resumes on Monday with more defense witnesses. Um, Carmelo Anthony faces anywhere from, which this is crazy, anywhere from five to ninety-nine years or a life and sentence if convicted. Or a life sentence if convicted. I heard the judge, I saw this clip. I don't know I don't know if this is legit. I saw the judge said that he would for sure not get a life sentence. How is the how is the threshold five to ninety-nine years? Like, is there really not a little bit like can we not have some better accuracy and some better like if he is guilty at all for committing first degree murder, what's the charge there? Is it how is it five years or 99? It's ridiculous. He's guilty. Obviously, he should go to jail for a long time, if not forever. You don't do something like that. He's 17. Um, they're trying him as an adult, which is great. That's how it should be. I mean, I don't know what to say. Um Anthony's defense is saying that he acted in self-defense by stabbing him. Um, because you know things got right there's like racial tensions and stuff, and maybe there's a little bit of a fight or whatever. So he acted in self-defense and stabbed another student at a track meet. So Anthony's defense team argued he acted in self-defense. They said at the time of the stabbing, at the stabbing, uh, Frisco ISD, I don't know if that's the school, had no policy barring athletes from going into other teams' tents. Well, see, there you go. They're allowed to go into other tents. So of course the stabbing's in self-defense. He's allowed to stab you. They're allowed to go into other tents. And they said, and the defense refers to Anthony as Mello during his witness interviews, you know, trying to make him trying to make him kid, kid like and friendly and nickname Melo, you know?

SPEAKER_03 17:57

Hey buddy, hey, yeah. What the what?

SPEAKER_00 18:00

Um, some of the witnesses were saying, some of like Austin Metcalf's uh friends and people on the team that were there, they said that Carmelo Anthony walks in the tent, they're like, No, what are you doing here? You know, they dab him up, whatever, whatever. And then he sits down. This is the stories I've heard. He sits down, and essentially Austin Metcalf says you can't sit there, like this is our team spot, like leave. And he doesn't leave, and then they get in this huge fight, like, oh, what you gonna do about it? You know, like that, that other thing. Wow. And then he reaches in a bag, reaches in his bag and pulls a knife and stabs him.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

So my gosh. Over not being able to sit down.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

Right. I mean so that's what's going on here. The the the shocking part is actually uh when this story broke, they raised to go fund me for Carmelo Anthony, actually, not for Austin Metcalf, but for Carmelo Anthony, and his funding received over six hundred thousand dollars.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

No, it didn't. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

There are outside of the courthouse, there are black people with signs and posters and banners saying that he needs to be free, and it was self-defense and it was justified. So in their mind, in these people's mind, self-defense if you use a racial slur. If you say hey, you can't sit there, hey, you gotta leave our tent. This is our tent. If you say anything like that, self-defense is justified in the form of I get to stab you then. That is as simple as it is for these people. And the problem is the type of people that are donating to Carmelo Anthony, I'm not even just saying like black people, I'm saying the type of people that would donate to someone like that, they are obviously political and racial activists. They care nothing about the facts or what happened or justice. They care about the fact that it is a black man and a white man. And one is evil, one is good. So pretty much anything the good one does should offset and excuse and make room for whatever the bad one did.

SPEAKER_03 20:06

So anything he does he does was justifiable.

SPEAKER_00 20:08

And it's as simple as that is if the black guy goes to jail, it's a fault of the justice system. And if the white guy is announced that he's the victim, he's the innocent one, even though he's the one dead right now because Carmela Anthony killed him, he would be the bad one. That is the justice system working in favor of him, which would be racist and white supremacists and all those, all those that sort of nonsense.

SPEAKER_03 20:32

So tell me like tell me that isn't racist. If it was backwards, what do you think would happen?

SPEAKER_00 20:37

Seriously, like I don't I don't think we would know because when's the last time a white kid went to attract me, went to a black team's tent, and then stabbed one of them. I don't know. Right. So it doesn't usually happen. Back to the Henry Nowak thing. It's like the George Floyd thing. Like what they have you believe about George Floyd is actually a lot more representative of what happened to Henry Noack, you know? And then what they say about Henry Nowak, the racial aggressor, the whatever, whatever, whatever, and then Henry Digwas defending himself with his knife. That's exactly what happened with Austin Metcalfe in Carmelo Anthony. Mello.

SPEAKER_02 21:13

So mellow.

SPEAKER_00 21:15

Like that's what we're dealing with. And I'm not trying to make this whole episode about only race. Um, obviously that plays a part of it. Obviously, that's something to do with it. You can't just say that it has nothing to do with it. That would seem like a totally indefendable argument um from that point of view. Because again, if the rules were reversed, but the point is though, is that white people are under attack. And it's not just people like Vikram Digwa and Carmelo Anthony. It's all sorts of people. And it's it it is the people that are coming here to look for a better life. Yeah, it is the people that are coming here to take advantage of us and destroy us and use our resources and kill our sons and rape our women. It is those people as well. It is also the people in the government. Control and in positions of authority that are allowing this to happen, that are encouraging it to happen. So all these people play a part in if you want to say culture war, race war, country war, whatever you want to say it as all these people are playing a part in it. And it is a obvious, obvious attempt to paint one side as the victim, no matter what, the oppressed victim, and the other side as the powerful supremacist, biased, you know, receiver of all benefits, you know, which would be the white man, the white country, the you know, the first world Christian white country. So and that's what's happening. It's been happening for a long time. It's not a secret, it's not anything new. It's just becoming more obvious, more in your face. And while at the same time, more people are defending it, more people are in support of that, more people are, you know, even more open about being anti-white and all these things. At the same time that's happening, there's also a rise on the other side where it's like, yes, there is such a thing as a white identity, there is such a thing as a white culture, there is such a thing as a white group of people that created and settled and inhabited and built a country.

SPEAKER_03 23:16

And we can be proud of it.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

And we should be proud of it.

SPEAKER_03 23:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

And these people hate that. So it's kind of like both sides are even becoming more, you know, yeah, like more attuned to it, more open to it. Like it's just one side is finally waking up to what's actually happening. And the other side is getting more and more aggressive about what their goals and what they want to actually complete.

SPEAKER_03 23:38

So okay, another dark story for you. This one's kind of this episode's kind of dark, sorry. But YouTubers, Jesse and Ashley Ridgeway, announced that they had made their decision to end their pregnancy after testing had revealed their baby would most likely be born with Down syndrome. Why? Well, Jesse told us that after they researched the difficulties of having a child with Down syndrome and have and the difficulties that child would most likely face in their life, they decided it would be too much of an inconvenience for the child and for them. It's just it's just too much. It's too much to deal with, the pressure of it. Like somehow it's merciful uh to the child to end their life. But they played victims after they received backlash from it and have continued to play the victim because they think that that's the right decision. And what's crazy about this is that his wife, Ashley, was around two to three months pregnant. And that's heartbreaking because a baby at two to three months in the womb is it looks like a human child. It is a baby. I mean, I I believe it's a baby from conception, but it looks undeniable. Undeniable features. The baby has fingers, fingernails are starting to grow. The baby has fully formed limbs, the baby is beginning to move more. Some even claim they can feel their child kick at this point. And what's super crazy is that their heart is also 100% completely fully formed. It is beating and it is pumping blood to support that human body.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 25:29

And they ended it because of the possibility of that child having Down syndrome. It's never 100%.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Just because there is a chance.

SPEAKER_03 25:36

Just because there was a chance. It's never 100%. Never. I mean, there were people in the comments saying, like, oh, like my aunt tested positive for it too, and the baby was born perfectly fine, you know. There are so many cases like that.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

My mom tested positive for it, and look at me, you know.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

Stop. And example A right here.

SPEAKER_00 25:59

All right.

SPEAKER_03 26:01

No, but and it's it's crazy because that they're they could they get on the first of all, okay, guys. Think some things need to be private. I'm sorry, just some things need to be private. That could have been done. That could have been done without anyone knowing, okay? But they're close family and friends. But they felt the need to then get on their child, get on their channel and like.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

And not just say this is what we did, say yeah, this is what we did, why we made it. This is what's right for us, this is good, we should defend this. And you know, like that's their argument.

SPEAKER_03 26:34

It's like because then you have to ask, that is bad. That's then you have to ask, like, they were fully ready for this pregnancy. They were going to see it through, right? Yeah, they were excited for this. But then learning that the child might have a disability, suddenly that child is not deserving of life. I wonder, I wonder, I wonder if I said I if I said retarded around them, what they would do. They'd probably, ooh, ooh, don't say that, ooh, ooh.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

Right.

SPEAKER_03 27:02

Uh, but it's okay to kill it because we don't want to deal with that. That's too much of a burden. God forbid we get stuck with one of them.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

There'd be difficulties raising a child. And it's like okay. My question is when this pregnancy, she associated in this pregnancy, they killed their kid, they killed their baby. When it's time to have another kid, or they want to actually settle down and whatever, start a family. What happens to the next kid? What feature do they find? What tests do they run? Yeah, what chance is there of this or that or some, you know. And then it's used as a justification. Like, like I'm I'm asking, like, what is the point to where it is always okay to end the pregnancy to kill the kid?

SPEAKER_02 27:45

Right.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

You know? And I feel like as tests and research and data become more and more efficient, more and more, you know, more and more accurate, like they'll be able to tell even more things before the baby's born.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

Right, exactly. Who knows?

SPEAKER_00 28:04

You know. You want a certain I I don't know, feature or characteristic, or you know, where where does it where do you draw the line? And it's funny because like I don't know anything about these YouTubers at all.

SPEAKER_03 28:18

I didn't either.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

But I'm saying, like, the this ideology, this thinking, this rationality is directly from the left. This is liberalism, this is leftism, this is radical leftism resulting from feminism, all these things, you know. The idea that because it would be hard or difficult or something you don't want to do, that you then can just cancel and unsubscribe from your actions, the consequences of your actions. Like, and this is not a bad thing. They're having a child. Like, that's not a terrible, that's not that's a great thing. And it's like they see it as well, it might have Down syndrome, it might be difficult, there might be challenges. Let's just I'd rather not. I'd rather not the baby live.

SPEAKER_03 29:01

Right, like as if there wouldn't be challenges with a perfectly healthy baby, too.

SPEAKER_00 29:05

Right, right. So it's just like this is the logical step from that form and that, I guess, ideology of liberalism.

SPEAKER_03 29:15

So we're we're one step away from saying, well, oh, I really wanted a boy. Oopsies, let's just, I don't really want to raise a girl because I don't know, that's just so hard. Like, why if if that's okay, if killing a kid because they could have Down syndrome, like why not that? Like, like you're saying, what's the threshold?

SPEAKER_00 29:34

I mean, that's like what other countries do, so um, you know, what would be the difference if we did it? That's like that's what they're gonna say.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

So disgusting.

SPEAKER_00 29:43

It is, yeah. Yeah, what if you wanted a boy first? And it's like, well, you got a girl this time. Okay, well, we we don't want it until we get a boy first.

SPEAKER_03 29:51

It's just a clump of cells, right?

SPEAKER_00 29:53

It's it's it's sad, it's an evil thing to do. There's really nothing else to say about it. It's just like, yeah, I wish it was more shocking than it is. Like to me, when I saw the star, I was like, Yep, it makes sense. That's like that's what people do. It's like right. Because that's better that's been a choice for a very long time. Right. You know, that's a this is not a new thing at all. No, it's not news. It's just sad that it's so like normal in mainstream, and like, well, yeah, of course they did it. It's like they didn't want to deal with it. Why not? You know, it's like so sad. In a world where abortion is like the most accessible it has been. I mean, there's a pill. Like, you cannot get more accessible than, oh, let me go reach above the countertop and get my pill. Like, I don't know. You're just gonna see more and more stuff like this.

SPEAKER_03 30:41

I know, I wasn't surprised by it either.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

I was like, yeah, well, you know, it's surprising they were so it's surprising they were so open about it in defending it and posting it on their YouTube channel.

SPEAKER_03 30:50

Yeah. And then they got back to the channel.

SPEAKER_00 30:53

My guess is there was an announcement video.

SPEAKER_03 30:56

That's what I'm saying. I don't know these people.

SPEAKER_00 30:57

I don't know anything about the YouTube channel, but I'm guessing there's an announcement video. And then you see, ah, four weeks later, guess what, guys? We made a decision for us and our family.

SPEAKER_03 31:06

They posted the video of them finding out the results too of um the Down syndrome. Yeah. Jeez. They were like, oh, it's like actually terrible. They were sitting there like, ooh, literally, they were like, oh like they had a conversation before.

SPEAKER_00 31:21

What was happening? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:22

And like they are, they're crying, they're sad, you know. I'm not that they're not sitting there like joking about it, but it's just it's like really uncomfortable because you can almost see the decision in their faces when they read the results where they're just like, All right, yeah, that's it. Too bad. Oh well. Like it's uh it's right. Yeah, it's uncomfy.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

It's like the whole uh, like everyone always says it's like technology, anything new, right? It can be used for good and it can be used for bad. And some parents might be like, oh, our kid might have down syndrome, let's prepare for this, let's do this study, let's look into these whatever treatments and alternatives and options and what we can do to help our kid when it's born if it does have down syndrome. Like that's the good side of this technology, you know? And then the bad side is oh, it has Down syndrome. You know, yikes. Like, we don't want to erase that, right? It's like, but yeah, the more advanced it'll get, the more picky people will get about what they want to put up with.

SPEAKER_03 32:20

So right. But that's the slippery slope, like you said.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:25

If Down syndrome, well, why not?

SPEAKER_00 32:27

Well, the slippery slope was safe and legal, yeah, but rare.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

But rare.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

That was the slippery slope. And now it's hey, can I get that bottle of abortion pills so I can, you know, pop these things left and right? Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:46

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