Women Don’t Have a Choice Anymore | Episode 47

Feminists fought for women to have the choice between being a stay-at-home mom/“tradwife” OR working outside the home. But in 2026, has that choice actually been taken away by the very movement that fought for it?

Not only has the cultural support for that choice disappeared, but the traditional stay-at-home role is becoming harder to sustain economically. Why? Thanks to a certain group that has been a thorn in our side for a longggg time.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Welcome back to the show. You're listening to Propaganda with Mick and Jacob. Thank you so much for tuning in. Happy Wednesday. Listen, last week we got into the importance of a man's role in the family and why it's being targeted and ultimately how that can degrade the backbone of society. Good episode, give it a listen if you haven't. But today I'd like to start off this episode by addressing the attack on the woman's role in the family. And this topic, I think, is overcomplicated by both sides of the coin. I think the angry, blue-haired, three-ton they them have it wrong. And I, but I also do think a lot of conservatives and Christians present it wrong too. But that's a topic for another time. Today, I would like to talk about okay, yeah, great. Feminists got their way. Women now have a choice. Fantastic. They can stay at home and work, or they can go work a nine to five in a corporate building. Except now the cost of living has gone up so much that there really isn't a choice, I feel like, anymore for a lot of families. A lot of young families, a lot of young married couples. We can speak on this. Both spouses really have to work to support their life and their lifestyle and their kids' basic needs. So not only does not only do the economics not support this new choice that we fought for, but also culture has removed that choice as being socially acceptable. And I'm gonna get into this. Bear with me, okay? Choosing to keep your job at home is seen as lazy or given up or you have no aspirations. You don't want to do anything with your life. You've just decided to stay at home and do nothing, basically. And women are made to feel as though if you you have to be a mom or a wife plus something else to be successful. You can't just be a mom. You can't just be a wife. You have to be doing something else, or else you haven't done anything with your life, you haven't been successful in any way. And I mean, you guys know what I'm talking about. A lot of women out there, I mean, people wince when you say, Oh, I want to be a mom one day. That's that's the job I want to have.

SPEAKER_02 2:21

Stay-at-home mom.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Right. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. I should say, I should say stay-at-home mom. I want to be just a mom one day. That's all I want to do. I want to be a stay-at-home mom. I want to raise my kids. People wince. They give you weird, like, really? Okay, that's it. Like, what do you mean? Nothing else, really? What do you mean? That's a full-on job on its own. What do you mean? Nothing else. Yeah, nothing else. That's that takes up the majority of your day, or it should. But I mean, there has been a resurgence of trad wives and moms. Yeah, almost in like a trendy way, it's been back. And we had an episode about this too. Like, is it actual gen, is it it is genuine? I don't know. To me, it doesn't seem like it, like it's just more of a trendy, oh, guess what? I'm making my sourdough, and everyone, I'm gonna have a TikTok about it. And I'm gonna get likes and clicks because it's a cool thing right now. Anyway, I mean, there is a resurgence of that, and I think it's been more popular to be a stay-at-home mom, and it's not as frowned upon anymore, but I think for the majority of people, it is really looked down upon. And I I really I wasn't gonna talk about this today, but I think it's important to keep having these conversations for the women out there that see this video we're about to play. It's just, I want, I want women to know that you're not less than if you choose to be a stay-at-home mom and just be a mom and that's it. I I even have to say that's it. That in its in and of itself is a beautiful and hard job. And I hate that we even have to say, hey, it is a job, actually. It is a job. And it angers me that women now we've been tricked into this role of, well, you have to do both to be successful. You have to be this boss girl being the CEO of a company, but then also you have to maintain your household and be a mom as well.

SPEAKER_02 4:13

And in a lot of ways, the boss girl, nine to five corporate creature, that's what should come first.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 4:19

Like your career comes over your family for a lot of these people. Right. And like for a lot of people that look in on like whatever, a trad wife, or just what we used to just call a wife for all of human history, you know, or a mom or a mother. Like, people that look in on that, they do kind of have like a judgment towards it. And I feel like it is it's almost in like the it's almost unsaid too that it's like, well, you're not choosing yourself, you're not choosing your career.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:42

What if your husband leaves you? Then what are you gonna do? You know, it's like it's all these other like what ifs and scenarios, and well, you shouldn't put your family first. And in reality, it's like, no, fathers and mothers should both put their families first. They just might have different roles or different ways to go about it, you know. It's it's it is sad that you have to talk about it, but right.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

And it's it's sad that there are videos like we'll play this video in a second. I just want to let you guys know like the dream of motherhood and homemaking, it's a it's still a calling and it's still a full-on career. Yeah, okay, fine. You're not staring at a screen for eight hours a day inside a building, answering to your C okay, well, okay. It is still a full-time, often more than 40 hours a week. I mean, I'm sure the motherists get it. I don't even get it yet, but don't let anyone make you feel ashamed that if that is what you want to do with your life, it's you're wasting your life. You're not choosing you, you're not putting yourself first.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

And in a lot of ways, it's not even attainable for most people. So most people are bashing something that they will never even be able to experience. Because, like we're saying, yeah, especially in this economy, in the job market, you need two jobs, you need two incomes, you know. Most people have two incomes and no kids, and they're still struggling to meet, make ends meet. You know, it's like it's tough. Like we get it, but most people will never even get to experience that and they're already hating on it. And it's like, oh, why should you be allowed to be a traditional mom? Why should you get to stay at home?

SPEAKER_01 6:03

So anyway, let's play the video for you. And there is language, so I apologize.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

Don't blame us off to not have any aspirations for fucking married, but I'll be the first one to fucking say it. But these problems, no inspiration, don't forget the level, like that is embarrassing. You're laying off, I don't care.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

She's not making her man the center of her life. She is allowing her family to be the center of her life by the sacrifices and the things that she's doing. And it's not that mothers that have jobs can't do that or don't do that. We're not saying that at all. It's just why would that be a bad thing for a woman, a wife, a mother to want to stay home and just take care of her kids? It's not possible for everyone. Maybe it's not like ideal in a lot of scenarios, but it's like, why would that be a bad thing? Again, that's nothing against mothers who work, like not saying that at all. But to say that that's like a negative or like a a like sheltered, unprivileged whatever responsibility, it's like no, that's probably one of the more important responsibilities in a family. And it's not living for her husband, it's living with her husband for their family, for their kids, for their future, you know?

SPEAKER_01 7:32

Doing life together. Yeah, I mean what well that's what I that's what I kind of mean by at the beginning of the video, where it's like we it's like all you all the feminists, they fought for this choice. Okay, awesome. If you guys want to go work, fine, whatever. But then we should still have the choice, and it shouldn't be looked at it. This should not be the reaction to a woman wanting to stay home with her kids or wanting to be just a wife, just a mom, and not have a career. Just like, why is that the reaction when we fought for this choice? Like, there's not a choice anymore, right? And it's not it's not like completely our fault. Like we were saying, sometimes it's it's just not affordable for people. But when they do have the choice, it's it's like they're condemned for it.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

I love how it's like you can be a traditional wife and stay home and mother your children. But but that but you can't travel the world then, right? Okay, like yeah, I'm sure everyone wants to travel the world. Not everyone will get to, you know? Some people will spend their money on different things, some people will get to go to different places. But it's like the the loss of the loss of traveling the world, I guess, is equivalent to like because you're a trad wife, because you're gonna be a mother, because you're gonna be a stay-at-home, you know, wife or mom. It's like that's what you lose from it, or that's the biggest strain of it.

SPEAKER_01 8:53

It's like, and then she talks a lot about the autonomy, your autonomy from a man, your autonomy back up and back up, like autonomy and like the freedom to do stuff. Like, what do you think a job does? Do you know what I mean? Like, then you're tied, you're tied to something. We're always tied to something. We cannot just be these free-floating beings that do whatever we want when we want.

SPEAKER_02 9:14

You might get 17 days of PTO. That's what you might get if you're lucky.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

It's like in combination with your sick days, right?

SPEAKER_02 9:22

You know, that's freedom, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

Fantastic. Like, you can't even take a proper vacation at that point, right? And also, they like to pretend that men also just are free to do whatever at that point, too. He's going to work. What for what? Why is he going to work? For the family, for you to afford where you live, to afford your kids, to go to school or do this sport. Like, he's parenthesis, he's sorry, he's quote unquote chained down to.

SPEAKER_02 9:56

Especially, this is what we talked about. Especially in today's economy, if somehow you can be a stay-at-home wife, your husband is either making really good money or he's working really hard or both. It's like that's not very normal. And I'm not saying that that's like a you're better than someone for being able to do that. I'm not saying that at all. It's just like he's probably sacrificing some stuff too, you know? Like, not that she would ever think about that, but it's like, okay, his autonomy. Wouldn't it be awesome if he could just like be 30 years old living in his parents' basement, like living off a death? Right. Like it that there's his self, his freedom, his autonomy. It's like no, he's going to work in providing for you, his wife, and potentially your kids and your where you live in your future. It's like, why is that even remotely controversial? And it it does tie in with like our Father's Day episode a little bit, you know. But it's like the other side of it, mothers, it's like, oh, I might want to be a stay-at-home mom. Oh, I might want to like be a traditional wife. It's traditional wife is such a dumb term, anyways. But it's like, and and and if she does, why is that a problem? Why is that bad?

SPEAKER_01 10:57

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

Your self-autonomy?

SPEAKER_01 10:59

Yeah, there's like no choice anymore among women. Like it's just it's frowned upon. We're all support the girls, whatever they want to do. They have a choice, they get to do whatever they want to do. You go, girl, until she wants to be a mom. Yeah, that's like the worst possible career move. The worst possible choice. You're chained down. You can't travel, you're gonna be smelling like spit-up milk all day.

SPEAKER_03 11:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

And a job is any better. Really? I know I know the women out there know. It's not, it's really not. Also, I don't, I hate that she's like, This is like emotional manipulation, too, where she's like, You're the first generation of women that can do this to be able to go out. What? I don't know who she's talking to. I don't know if she's she looks like our age. She looks Gen Z. So is she talking to Gen Z? Even if she's talking to millennials, like who is she talking to? Are you talking to the poopers?

SPEAKER_02 11:52

Like they all had jobs. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 11:54

My mom went to college and had a career. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_02 11:58

It's I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

What do you mean the first generation that has this choice of financial stability and we can go get a job?

SPEAKER_02 12:05

She makes it sound like it's the 1700s where women couldn't like work or something. It's like I think we've had choices for a while now. Like plenty of women have chosen to work and not have families, or to work and have families, or to be a stay-at-home mom in their younger years, but then when they're older and their kids are older, then they go work. Like, yeah, you've had a choice for a while now. In fact, like one of the few times that you haven't had a choice is like in today's economy where it's pretty impossible to do that.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

It's like a lot of women that want to be a mom can't, or a lot of women that want to stay at home and just be a mom can't because of the economy.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

But yeah, we're the first generation to ever have this opportunity afforded to us.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

And you're wasting it. You're wasting it by staying home and just sitting on the couch doing nothing.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

Yeah. Imagine saying that you're wasting your life, you're wasting your potential, you're wasting your future for staying home with your kids or being a stay-at-home wife, or like that's a waste. That's a that is the future thing, you know? Like your kids are the future. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:01

And that is ultimately a woman's role, and people get pressed about this. I know. But her natural role in a family is raising kids. Not saying the dad has no part, all right? I calm down. You always have to say this.

SPEAKER_02 13:18

The dad plays a different part.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

He plays a different part. You both raise the kids. This isn't the mom only, you know, changing the diaper, only staying up all night with the baby. Like, okay, calm down. But the woman does have a role in, I believe, being with those kids for the majority of their younger years, managing the household, okay? Not just staying home, doing nothing, sitting on her butt and watching TV. I think a lot of, like I said at the beginning, a lot of conservatives and Christians have the Proverbs 31 woman wrong. That can be another episode, but managing a household is a full-on job and it's a I think it's her role. And I think a lot of women feel so out of touch with their feminine energy, and so I don't even know what the word for it is. They're not allowed to be what they're naturally meant to be, and it shows because when you when you become these corporate creatures, when you're always working and you're working for yourself, I don't it just kind of sucks the soul and the life out of you.

SPEAKER_02 14:23

Here's what I'll say is like men obviously have just as important of a role as women do. Um, but it's almost like, especially in the younger years, the woman's role is more physical. It's more yeah, it's like there's not really a way you can argue with that. So obviously men have an important role too. They they definitely do, but it's like if the woman wants to go out and be the breadwinner and the husband stays at home, like I personally and whatever. But if you want to do that, you can do you gotta do that, I guess. But it's like the point of it is like maybe the mom stays home with the kids and the husband goes off and works and provides for the family. Not because it couldn't be the other way around, but because you're playing to each other's strengths. You're working together as a family. It might be, not in every case, but it might be a little bit easier for the mom to just stay at home, take care of, protect, you know, manage the kids. And it might be a little bit easier for the dad to be at work working hard all day, earning a living wage for his family. Like, not that either of those roles are hard, not that either of those roles are easy, and not that they couldn't be interchangeable, but it's almost like you do want to play to each other's strengths. You do have some more natural roles, you might have some more natural inclinations. And again, I hate saying it because it's like we keep saying it, but yes, there's exceptions, yes, there's differences, yes, everyone's in a different circumstance. We get it. But we're saying for most people, for the majority, for the general rule, whatever. Like, yeah, it kind of makes sense to have it that way.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

And it's like Well, you're a team, of course you'd play in the streets.

SPEAKER_02 15:49

And not everything's perfect throughout all of history, but it's like this is how things were done, you know, up until the last 50 years, up to the last hundred years, like this is how things were. And I'm not saying you just take it for granted and never ask questions and never try something new, but it's like things like that kind of worked that way for a reason. Um so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

Yeah, I just I I hate seeing videos like that because it makes me so angry. And the comments too are like majority of them are agreeing. Some of them are like, actually, I'm 19, married, and I'm living my life, my best life. I'm pregnant and I'm about to have my kid, like, and I'm doing fantastic. Awesome, that's great. I just hate when they're so vulgar and they're so nasty about it. You can disagree with it, but to get on there and call them lame, to say they have no aspirations, like the comments are saying they're not adults because they just want to depend on a man. That's really good. It's just you're missing.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

You're not depending on a man. You guys are living as a married couple, helping each other. That's kind of what it is. And for a generation that's not really married, for a generation that does not seek usually healthy long-term relationships, it's like you wouldn't understand that, would you? Like everyone else, we get it. We get the game. You know, you work together, you work as a team, you have your roles, you have your strengths and your weaknesses, and you balance each other out. Like that's how it's supposed to be.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

So And maybe they haven't experienced a man like that. And that goes along with our last episode of the man not really filling his shoes and his role, and then the woman can't fill her shoes and her. Like, I get that. They've probably had bad experiences with men that are children and can't go out and provide and be that rock that she needs.

SPEAKER_03 17:29

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

I understand. But then, like we're saying, why get online and attack why attack the girls? Yeah. Why attack the girls? If you had bad experiences with men, why is it the girls' fault? Whatever.

SPEAKER_02 17:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

I could go on a tangent with this, but we gotta move on.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

So sticking with the economy and the affordability theme, uh, kind of going on there with the two incomes versus one income. Can the mother stay home? All that stuff. The US housing affordability has officially hit the lowest level in over 40 years. So it is now essentially it's now harder to buy a house than ever. Okay. Uh it says the US home prices see their largest two-month increase in four years. So this is the largest increase in prices in a two-month period in the last four years. So that includes almost two years of Trump and two years of Biden. Like which makes you believe it's not as much policy almost. It's just kind of like that's how things are. And yes, it is policy. Like, it could change that. You can do things to fix it, as I'm about to talk about. But it's like that's two years of his presidency, two years of Trump's. And it's like it's not getting better. So unfortunately. It says families now need over 120,000 to afford a medium price home. Up from 66,000 just five years ago. Where they get that number from, I have no clue. 120,000 to afford a medium price home. I think a medium price home is like 420,000. So might be a little bit off there. Um, but that's what they're saying, up from 66,000 just five years ago. That's a dramatic increase. That's over that's double essentially. So, anyways, I want to get into this report from the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. And what they did, they published a recent study here. The study concludes that unauthorized immigrant workers, so we're just gonna say illegal immigrants, workers. I love I love their language for them. Unauthorized. Illegal immigrants working, non-working in the economy, whatever. It explains that they are responsible for about 30% of the total growth in housing prices. The study is from March 2021 to March 2024. Okay? So you have 22, 23, 24. Okay, you got plenty of time there to kind of watch this and see how it goes. So it says that these illegal immigrants, these illegal immigrant workers, just them. It's not saying they're responsible for all of the housing price increase. They're saying just them themselves, they're responsible for 30% of the total growth in housing prices and 20% of the total growth in rent prices. I'm sure some of you have seen this before, but like and we don't need like dive into the article like insanely to just kind of see what's going on here. This is like basic uh economics, this is basic supply and demand. And people, I don't know why, but it's like our generation doesn't want to believe it exists or doesn't think it exists, but it's like that's kind of how it goes. When you have a resource and then you have more people combating for that resource, the price of that resource goes up, its value goes up, its affordability goes down. It's you know, the the overall is it reachable, is it attainable for so many people? It goes down because more people are trying to get it. Now, if you have a rise in the demand for something, as well as the rise as well as the rise in supply of something, then things might be a little bit more even. There might be a little bit more, oh, that kind of makes sense. Yeah, we have more people coming here, but also there's way more houses being built. Also, the affordability is kind of staying like where it's at. But it's like this study is claiming, they conclude, that it's 30% of the total growth in home prices. 20% of rent. Like that's that's not a that's not a miniature number. That's not something to just like ignore or like think about.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

That is actually crazy.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

30% it's like it's not even the fact that like, oh, these illegals are coming and making everything more expensive. It's like it's like, yeah, that's how things work with a basic supply and demand understanding. Like well, that's just one example, like refuse to pay attention to it or to like even believe it.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

That's one example of hey, that's why you can't flood a country with a million people. They have nowhere to go, and they go and eat up your resources, and not enough resources are replenished.

SPEAKER_02 21:45

Like you said, they'll take your low income housing, they'll take your affordable housing and push it into the house. Pushes everyone out, yeah, pushes the city out, pushes everyone out, pushes everyone out into more expensive homes, more expensive neighborhoods, you know. And it's like it's just how that's how it works. And it's not saying that it's all delegals. It's not saying that at all. It's just saying that that's a very large percentage that them that them themselves are responsible for. And it's like it shouldn't be ignored. Yes, it's economy. Yes, it's inflation for some things. Yes, it's maybe, maybe it's even, you know, artificially demanded by the industry or real estate agents or things like that. But it also comes from somewhere, you know? And if we had way more houses, way more things being built than people here, the prices would not be doing that. So I don't know. It's just something that's like it's so simple and it's so obvious, but also so many people just won't want to talk about it or admit to it or even like say, Oh yeah, that that might be a possibility there, you know. You have millions of undocumented people coming here, and they're not really providing enough in the economy, they're actually taking more than what they're providing on average. They're they're taking more than what they're giving. And especially in the home, in the housing, in the rent, and it's like when you take up all the low-income areas, it makes everything else for other people, it makes it less affordable, makes things more expensive.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Well, and and and this is why I just I we were literally ranting about this before, but for all the cucks out there that are like, well, doesn't affect me if you know if they want to come into this country and they're refugees and they're not safe and they hop a border, an imaginary line drawn in the sand, whatever. But it does affect you. This is one example of it affecting you, and it affects us.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

That's a pretty obvious one, too.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Greatly. We cannot afford a house, we can't buy a house. Rent is ridiculous. We all know it. It's ridiculous how much rent is for like the most simple apartment, and they won't even have a built-in washer and dryer. And so I just I just hate when people make this argument. Well, just let them in, let them in. We're we're all looking for a safe space. Yeah, but you cannot flood. I I just I feel like so stupid repeating myself like this all the time. But you can't just flood a country and say, all right, everybody in, come on, come on, let's go. Everybody find your find find your space. Go.

unknown 24:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:04

I get really heated about it because a lot of people online will make that argument, hey, it doesn't really matter, guys. Why are you so pressed about this? It's not that deep. Blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

Yeah, but it is they deserve a happy life too.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

Right. And I they absolutely they do.

SPEAKER_02 24:18

Doesn't mean they deserve a happy thing.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

Doesn't mean that they deserve it here, and doesn't mean it's our responsibility or that we have an obligation to make sure that they have one or we provide them one.

SPEAKER_02 24:26

Yeah, that we suffer on their behalf.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 24:29

I don't know. I thought we should quick mention that in I don't know. Like again, it's not hard to understand, but so many people will choose to ignore it. So that's just kind of some closing thoughts there.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

Yeah, that's a good article. And it it does prove that, yeah, illegal immigration, it actually does affect you. It affects your lifestyle. It's not just And of course it does.

SPEAKER_02 24:51

Of course it does.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

Well, and I know, and that's why I feel so dumb even saying it, but people out there need to hear it, and for some reason they don't understand, I guess, how it yeah, basic economy works or supply and demand, like you were saying. That's it for today's episode. Thank you so much for listening. Uh, we really appreciate it. It helps get the podcast out. If you, of course, subscribe and follow all of our social channels. We have a YouTube that's at propaganda mj. Make sure you subscribe. We post our full videos on there. We also have a TikTok that's at Mick and Jacob, an Instagram at Mick and Jacob. We post our video clips on there. Like I said before, it really helps get the podcast out if you like and engage with our content. And then we also have an X account at Propagand MJ. There's no A at the proper end of Propaganda. It's Propaganda MJ. Give all of those a follow and if you like to support the podcast. That's it for today's episode. Uh, have a great rest of your week. Happy 4th of July. Um, happy 250, America. I can't I can't believe it's already for us. Yeah. Jeez, yeah, it's already the fourth. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 25:48

We'll have plenty to talk about in the next one.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

So have a happy fourth. Enjoy it with your friends, loved ones, family, and we will talk to you next Wednesday. Thank you for listening.