My Citizenship is Not Your Birthright | Episode 48

New York City Mayor Mamdani's appalling Fourth of July speech and the Supreme Court's ruling on birthright citizenship show that the United States could become unrecognizable in the near future.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:02

Thanks for tuning in. You're listening to Propaganda with Mick and Jacob. Welcome back to the show. I hope you had a great 4th of July weekend. We definitely did. And what better way to kick this episode off than to hear a beautiful speech from the great president? Oh my god, president. From the great mayor.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

Might as well be.

SPEAKER_02 0:20

From the great mayor of New York City himself, Mum Donnie. Mayor Mum Donnie had some things to say to the American people on 4th of July. And this was his speech he posted on his Instagram account and just about every other social channel. Let's give it a listen.

SPEAKER_00 0:41

Alongside new Americans who came to this country. But like so many who came before. I can't see New York. The city I see today looks very different than the one that greeted George Washington. In July of 1776, our city severed under the yoke of oppression. The British had imposed a colonial rule so repressive that 250 years ago, eighty miles ago, a small group of newspaper editors, farmers, and soldiers signed their names on a document declaring truth. Those ideals upon which our nation was built. They are strong enough to endure any authoritarian region. But only if we reach the ours as a nation working each day towards the perfection in which it was conceived. A nation striving each day to better itself. What a privilege each of us has. What a responsibility each of us possesses. To prove ourselves worthy of all those who came before. What power each of us holds to bring America ever closer to the greatness so many have seen when they looked upon these shores.

SPEAKER_02 2:05

Okay, so for those who are listening and not watching, Mam Dani is sitting behind George Washington's desk. Yes, our first president, George Washington.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Quite the honor.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

And as he's speaking, from each side, a group of people come in that I guess are supposed to represent Americans in a longer version of the video. I don't know if he said it at the beginning or not, but he mentions that they are new citizens.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

He says new Americans.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

And that is what America is represented by. So he introduces these people on either side of him as I guess the face of Americans. And I don't know. He has this, like Mamdanny's always had this way where he says things, and you think he you think it sounds okay. You're like, yeah, all right. But it's like sandwiched in between. It's like you actually like listen into it, and it's more insulting than when you first heard it. Do you like the way to address American people is to not immediately name everything wrong with America.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

Did he?

SPEAKER_02 3:13

Yeah, he kept going into this whole thing that America is something that needs to be bettered. And every country does, but I didn't like how I took away something else.

SPEAKER_01 3:23

It's almost like, I don't know if this is on purpose, but it's almost like his version. He's showing right now, okay, we had a good 250, but like let's work for the next 250, which is like whatever. Good message. But I think like subconsciously, the message up there is like, this is what the next 250 will look like. These are the new Americans. These are who's gonna be here. This is what this country is for now. George Washington could have never imagined this group of people. Okay. Yeah, there's a reason for that. But also, like, it's not just the fact that it's like New York and that's a very there's uh a lot of minorities there, you know, whatever. That's the that's the makeup of New York City, right? It's the fact that he's saying this will be the new, these are the new Americans, this is the next America, this is the next version of it, you know?

SPEAKER_02 4:08

And it doesn't include most Americans.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

It doesn't look like it includes, yeah, most of your everyday white Americans in, you know, everywhere else in or the people that really founded the country. Yeah. I think it's funny because I'm actually surprised by the praise he gives America. Like, so I'm I took away something different, I guess. Like he says America's greatness. He says these people look on our shores and they see opportunity and growth and freedom, and he says all these things, which is true.

SPEAKER_02 4:34

But that's what I mean by the sandwich, like this compliment insulting sandwich. Like, like there's opportunity, but not in the opportunity we're thinking. It's like opportunity, like when we think opportunity, we think opportunity for ourselves and like what we can make of our lives. And there's like there's more opportunity than anyone could ever imagine coming from you know Mexico, for let's let's say. I think what he says by opportunity is the opportunity to make the country into what they want it to be.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

That's true. Do you know what I mean? I was gonna go along similar lines with saying he says all these great things about America, but everything he's doing is the exact opposite of what America was founded on. So it's like freedom. Mamdani actually is very against, I would say, a free market. I would say most freedoms. Um, evidently so against the free market, you know.

SPEAKER_02 5:27

Yeah, we weren't found. So we stand for freedom. He's against that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

We stand for uh no taxation without representation. He's literally trying to tax specific groups of people just because of who that group of people is, you know, white neighborhoods, richer neighborhoods. He's literally said that, he's admitted to it even recently. Okay, so no taxation without representation, then he's gonna tax different people, you know. Okay. America was built by Christian, European people, and he all he loves, all he is, all he's about is Muslim, Middle Eastern, brown, you know, minorities. Like that's what he's for. So it is like he says all these great things about America, and I'm not saying America can't be for those people, too. I'm just saying he says how great America is, and at the same time, he is against and wants to change everything it's stood for for the last 250 years. So that's what you mean. I guess that's like what I'm taking away from what you're saying. We're kind of on the same wave here. He's saying one thing, but everything he does is the opposite. And it's shown by what he says in other videos, it's shown by the people up there with him, it's shown by some of his recent policies, by some of the people he endorsed. That's what's actually real. What's fake is what he told you in that speech. America's greatness. We love it. It should stay how it is. Well, kind of, but not it shouldn't really stay how it is. We want to change it, you know. Right. And that's a good point. What you said about it's opportunity to be molded into what they want it to be. Right. Not opportunity to create and keep and building upon what is already here.

SPEAKER_02 6:49

Right. So that's what I got from it.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

Yeah. It's that interesting point.

SPEAKER_02 6:52

You know what I mean? Like you hear the speech and you're like, yeah, that like he's saying all of the right things, but something is off about it. And I think that's what it is. Is that like he has this double meaning of the opportunity of the betterment of the US? Correct. We are always striving to be a better country. I think everyone can agree. You know, that's what each side of the spectrum wants. But the way he says it, betterment, as in, and then all of these new citizens are joining the video. You're like, well, wait a minute. What we have right now is actually pretty good. It doesn't need that much changing. Hold on. And it is, there is something to be said about when something works for hundreds of years, it doesn't need to be completely revised. We do look to a constitution that was written by men 250 years ago now.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

And we'll get into a subject later that talks about, you know, sometimes you might want to change things or alter things. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 7:48

And that's what that's not what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 7:49

But you don't overhaul the entire system for no reason.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

Correct. You don't completely dismantle everything and say, well, we have a better way of doing it.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

Okay, the most blatant thing in your face is not the only reason, maybe not even the major reason, but one of the major reasons that we had the whole Declaration of Independence, that we had the Revolutionary War. One of the major things was taxation without representation. And I would think that the only thing the Founding Fathers could find more reprehensible would be specific taxes on groups without equal representation for everyone else. Like that's even worse than what they were dealing with. They were all mad about like a 2% tax on some of their goods. This is like Mamdani's raising everyone's taxes, and also he's targeting specific literal, like literal, specific groups based off of skin color, based off of ethnicity, to accomplish a higher tax bracket for them so that others, the less fortunate minorities, you know, they can get more benefits from it. So, like, if there's one thing they would be more against than just universal taxes, taxation without representation, then it would be something like that, which is kind of funny because it's just in your face.

SPEAKER_02 8:55

But I think that's why it feels so wrong coming from him because he's it's disingenuous. He stands for everything that our founding fathers that George Washington would stand against, and he has the audacity to sit at his desk as if he represents that same, oh, there are those same values or those same ideas. And he doesn't.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

And what did he say? This is a very different America than George Washington would imagine. It's like, yeah, he didn't he didn't picture a Muslim from the third world sitting at his desk inviting all these other minorities to come in and get free benefits off of the hardworking, everyday American citizens.

SPEAKER_02 9:28

Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

I don't think he pictured that. You're probably right. And the point is not to say that it's like, yeah, New York City is like a very ethnic place. It's a very mixed city, you know? And that's the makeup of New York City. I'm not even saying that that's wrong. I'm just saying what Mom Donnie is pointing to, what he's like saying is the total opposite of what things have been throughout most of our history from what things were meant to be by the founding fathers, the same guys that he's praising, you know, for the self-evident truths that we know now that weren't self-evident back then. But also, even in those self-evident truths, he wants to alter, change, abuse, you know, and kind of use them for specific people. Yes. So don't get it twisted.

SPEAKER_02 10:11

Like right, right. And that's what I mean. That it's like these hidden meanings, and you like, yeah, something kind of feels weird about the speech, and then you're like, wait. But okay, I also want to mention, too, we get a lot of heat for this. Like everyone does when they say it. Nothing is wrong with a Muslim woman or a Muslim family coming to the United States and living here and becoming citizens. Okay, there's nothing wrong with that. Fine. What is wrong is when they want to come in and they don't want to assimilate, and they think that they can bring in whatever third world hellhole rituals and customs, and they want to impose it on you and say that you have to be okay with it. I'm moving to your country and I'm bringing everything that was wrong with my country to here, even though I'm escaping the country because it was so claiming that the country they left is better than where they are here, you know. And I think that's the difference that people, I don't know. They like they get on the fact that we're saying it's well, we don't want all these Mexicans here. Oh, well, you're racist because they're brown. No, I'm fine with Mexicans coming here. I'm fine with if a Japanese family wanted to come here, that is that is the beauty of America to a fault. But the issue is that now we don't have an identity anymore because we're told that the identity we had was not good enough.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

Well, it wasn't a problem because they would have certain groups immigrate here in certain times of history for certain periods of time. And it's like, that's fine. They assimilate, they come here, they love it here. But recently, like you're saying, we're taught something else, and then you open your borders to everyone, and then yeah, the people that come here have no respect for it. And also they want to bring all their friends and family over too to adopt and ingrain their culture into what it is here. And it's like, sure, over the natural course of time, a country might adopt cultures of the people that came that that came here. That's very true about the Europeans that came here, that's very true. I mean, like all the major cities, right? It's it's true about all the ethnic groups that came here. But what you don't want to see is large amounts of people coming here en masse, importing their culture, the same one that has created problems and conflicts for the reason they're trying to leave their country, and they want to make it the status quo here. They want to force it on everyone here. They want to change what the fundamental like values and system and country we have in America, they want to change that to shape it into what they had where they were from.

SPEAKER_02 12:30

So when the base of when the foundation of where they came from, when they want to bring that to America and our base contradicts that directly, yeah, I'm sorry, it gets a little things don't mesh well. That being said, there's also issues with people arriving to this country and popping out a kid, and then that child by law has as much, has as many rights as you, an American citizen, your grandparents, your parents have been here for years. You were born and raised here, you are used to the culture. Now they are just as much as an American citizen as you, even though their mother and their grandparents were born and raised in a different country. This has been an issue for way too long now. And President Trump had an executive order to ban birthright citizenship. But the Supreme Court blocked it. So now the children of illegal aliens and temporary visitors from foreign countries, they, if they have a child, they are an American citizen. And I want I want to note real quick, because people get this also twisted, that Trump's executive order to ban birthright citizenship was for illegal aliens as well as visitors from foreign countries. Okay, like temporary visitors from foreign countries. He was not banning birthright citizenship.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

It's not for Americans.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

Do you know what it's like? Everyone was freaking out because they're like, well, then the board of like all the slaves back in 80 years.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

The amount of people that lost their mind over this, the amount of people that can't read for themselves is crazy. I mean, there were claims, they were like, if you support this, like you're in line with like the CIA. This is a Psyop that's like, and it's like, what are you talking about? Like, I disagree with Trump on a lot of things. This is actually, I think, a good thing. And it's like, he was not ending birthright citizenship for you and I. He's not ending it for your kids, for our kids. He's ending it for the people that decide to come here and visit here or break into the country illegally, and then they have a kid here, and then that kid's an American citizen for life. Forever. They have nothing to do with being here. They have no clue about anything here with the culture. Their parents aren't from here. Their parents don't want to be here. Their parents, nothing. They came here, they had their kids, so their kid gets all the benefits of being an American citizen, and then that's it. And it's like, obviously, you don't need someone to tell you this, obviously, that kid is not as American as you and I. It doesn't mean they can't grow up to be an American. It doesn't mean they can't grow up and still be a good person or love our culture or move here eventually. It's just they should not have the same rights as a citizen born here that you and I have just because their parents from a third world country hopped over the border real quick and had and pop the kid out.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

Right. It's literally up until the moment of birth. So, like I'm saying, we're saying like a nine-month pregnant lady could step on US soil, she could onboard the plane, she could cross the line in the sand, give birth, her water could break that second, she would give birth on the spot. That kid would be an American citizen.

SPEAKER_01 15:40

Not good, not like theoretically, like, no, this happens all the time. People purposefully do this. Rich families do this, poor families do this. This is the issue of the civilized countries do this, third world countries do this, everyone does this. Why? Turns out America's a pretty good place to live in, has a lot of benefits to be a citizen here. Obviously, people are gonna abuse it. So it's up to us to have laws and protections in place to prevent people from just blatantly abusing it. And that's what Trump was trying to do with the executive order.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

And listen, I'm not trying to be dramatic, but this will genuinely, this will actually ruin our country. This would ruin any country because now, now what we're saying is that anyone in the world, in the entire world, can be an American citizen if they're just born here. There's no criteria to be met. They don't have to, there's no process to become one. There's no background checked. You don't background check a baby, but you know what I'm saying? Like their parents, you have no idea who their parents are or why they came over here. You have no idea if they're even, if they even have a family. Meaning there's birth tourism companies that will send mom over here to have the kid.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

We talked about this in a previous episode.

SPEAKER_02 16:48

So that the kid is an American citizen. Like they might not have this loving family that just wants a better life. Like the world, and I love that people think the best, but the world isn't is a disgusting and evil place. And people, countries, take advantage of these little loopholes that we have. Oh, well, technically, if if you're born on an American soil, then it's that's an American citizen. Perfect. We'll just send mom over there before she's about to give birth, and it's an American citizen. That obviously you can't keep running a country in that way.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

Okay, listen to this. This is from Brookings. So after the Civil War, they ratified the 14th Amendment, which declared that, quote, all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

SPEAKER_02 17:41

That's what it says. This is the issue. Subject to the jurisdiction thereof. That's the part that people leave out.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

There's a little part here that says, oh, because foreign diplomats were outside the country's jurisdiction, children born to them in the United States did not become citizens. Nor did Native Americans, who were at that time, considered to be subject to the jurisdiction of tribal governments. And in parentheses here, they have the Indian citizen act, the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. That's what gave Native Americans dual citizenship in both the U.S. and the tribes of their origin. So, for all of history, if you were born in the US, you were a citizen of the U.S. Except oh, oh, except what did the 14th Amendment say? There were two major exceptions there, okay? Native Americans who were not subject to the U.S. government at that time until it was later changed, okay? And also the children of foreign diplomats. Why? Oh, because they're foreigners. They're not from here. Literally, even though they're here legally, they're foreign diplomats. Like, like the US, like they were okay to be here. They are diplomats from another country. They were living in the US even way back then, you know? Think of how much smaller the world was. Even back then. But even then it was known just because you're a foreign diplomat here and you have your kid here does not make them an American citizen. You're not a citizen.

SPEAKER_02 19:01

Because another country has claimed to that child.

SPEAKER_01 19:03

Yes. They're not, you know, they are not bound by the jurisdiction here where they were born just because their parents were here. Like, no, their parents are from another country, their origin is from another country. So if they want to seek a legal route and become citizens here, that's great. They can do that. But that's what the 14th Amendment meant, okay? Also, it's been largely skewed. They came up with that to allow citizenship for the slaves. That was kind of the whole point of that. There was like, okay, we have slaves and they're freed now, you know, they're freed from the emancipation, the emancipation proclamation, they're free from the aftermath of the Civil War. What do you do with them? Okay. So what they make? The 14th Amendment. That means that because they were born here, they were able to have citizenship here, which is great. They should. That's fine. The problem is people are using this today to allow for foreign nationals from other countries to bring their kids here, to have their kids here, and then they will just be American citizens, just like you and I, you know.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

So not only is the Supreme Court's ruling just a horrible one and will ruin this country, but it actually is unconstitutional to allow these illegal aliens, these foreign, these foreign people to invade our country, pop out children, and then those children get the same rights as the American citizens they're supposed to be protecting and upholding the law for.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

We've seen this argument online already. People are like, well then, he should have gone through the constitutional route and changed the constitution and made an amendment and then gone through it the legal justice way, whatever. You know, and it's like, yes, that's the long-term path. Also, he just made an executive order to defend and protect his country, who he's in charge of. And that is obviously the goal of it to defend us, to protect your value and your birthright, who you you actually are as an American citizen. That is for you, okay? Yeah, longer term, you'd like to see that through a constitutional amendment, that's great. The problem, the the point of it was though, is that it was an executive order, and then the Supreme Court struck it down, okay, which I guess they have every right to, even though they misread it. And I would say that they're not actually doing their job. Um, because there's if you're being honest with yourself, there's really only one way to interpret it. So they're being extremely dishonest there. And it's just sad to see because it does, it devalues your citizenship. I was just gonna say it devalues what it means to you. And I I knew one of the uh one of the justices made this point already, but it's like when you give it to everyone, it's not as special to anyone. Yep. We talked about this with uh what was it? Oh, it's with the housing prices, you know? Yes, it's like okay, when everyone wants it, the value of it goes up. When everyone gets it, the value of it goes down. So it's like your citizenship, and you might you might be here legally for 50 years, your parents might have been here for 500 years, you know, well before the US was established as a country. But there's a difference between being here legally, being born here, being a citizen here, you know, being of this jurisdiction, and then someone else, a foreigner coming here and having their kid here. There is a distinct difference. Like it's just it's you even have to argue it or talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

But what's gonna happen now in the future, as long as this is this keeps happening, the value of the American citizenship will just simply it'll just go down the drain. It's not something that you have to work for anymore, it's not something that you have to strive for anymore because it's literally it's handed to you because you just so happened to be in the country when you were born. And it's sad and it's angering to see my citizenship, my country go down this path. Because you want the best for it, and the best for it is not opening up your borders and then say and giving another incentive for people to come here and to give birth and create more citizens.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

And we already have plenty of legal avenues to become citizens, so it's not like it's not like we're saying no one else can become citizens. Like, personal opinion, we should pause immigration right now, 100%. But it's like it's not like there's it's impossible to become a citizen unless you're born here. Right. And then they're like, well, I want a better life for my kids, you gotta be born here. It's like, no, there's legal alternatives too. You guys just aren't willing to do that. And I get it, I would want to come here too. You're right, it is the greatest country on planet earth. I would want to be here as well. But it's like, as Americans, the guy we elected, the people in charge, they should be doing what's in their power to actually protect and defend us. That's what they were elected to do. And I know they never do this, but even when they do try to do something like this, it gets overturned. So it's like, yeah, there really is no winning. I I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 23:41

It's angering too because birthright citizenship, the birthright that we were born with is to enjoy and to be part of a country that our parents worked hard to build, and that our parents got to enjoy, and that their parents got to enjoy, and their parents got to enjoy. That's our birthright as American citizens. To enjoy and live in the country that our parents built up and that our ancestors built up. That should be our birthright. Thanks for tuning in to another episode of Propaganda with Mick and Jacob. As always, we appreciate the listen. If you would rather watch instead of listen, go ahead and subscribe to our YouTube channel. That's at propaganda mj. We post a full episode with our video content on there. And to help get the podcast out, make sure you refer it to your friends and family and follow all of our social channels. We have a TikTok that's at Mick and Jacob. We have an Instagram that's at Mick and Jacob, and our ex account is at PropagandMJ. There's no A at the end of Propaganda, it's just at PropagandMJ. Make sure you give all those a follow, engage with our content. It really helps get the podcast out. As always, we appreciate the listen and the support and have a great weekend. We will talk to you next Wednesday. Oh, you know what? We should actually probably say something about the 252. I mean that was a pretty big thing. Yeah, we skipped over.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

Appreciate your country. Love your country. Do what you can to protect and defend it. You know, let's be thankful to the Lord for giving us giving us this country, you know, blessing us um for a great 250 years. And here's the 250 more years.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

All right. Have a good weekend.