Spiked Out
Welcome to the Spiked Out Podcast - your go-to for real stories, real people, and real insight from the wildland fire world. Brought to you by The Journeyman, we interview seasoned pros, share education, tips on getting certified, landing jobs, and making the most of the season. Whether you're already on the line or just getting started, we've got you covered. Tune in and get Spiked Out with us.
Spiked Out
So You Want to Be a Hotshot? Marine Vet Explains What It Really Takes
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The door to the buggy slides shut and the air turns thick with sweat, dust, and gallows humor—welcome to hotshot life.
Adam Thomas—Marine infantry vet turned city firefighter, paramedic, and two-season Springville Hotshot—breaks down what it really takes to earn a spot on a Type 1 hand crew and why the only way out is through.
What we cover:
What Hotshots Actually Do
Why Type 1 hand crews get sent to steep, remote terrain where aircraft can't finish the job
How technique beats raw strength when the shift stretches to 10+ hours
The culture: real brotherhood, real friction, and pride that comes from solving problems far from roads
Adam's Path: Marine Infantry to Hotshots
From college burnout to finding purpose in EMS
The EMT call that pushed him into paramedic school
Moving from city fire to contracting overseas
Getting 4 days notice for a California hotshot tryout—and taking it
Passing the hill, grabbing a tool, and learning what "work" really means
Being a Paramedic on a Hand Crew
Working without ALS gear on the line
Stepping off the saw to support other divisions
How medical response on wildland fires can do better
For REMS Medics and EMTs: How to Integrate with Crews
Find overhead early and mark maps with crew tracks
Hike to the work at your own pace
Bring simple value that builds trust
Position yourself where help is actually needed
Getting Hired: The Practical Path
Seasonal vs. permanent roles explained
How to format a federal resume on USAJOBS
Why S-130/S-190 certification helps you stand out
How veterans can leverage preference to land interviews
Adam's Baghdad-to-Springville story: bold action + preparation
The Real Toll
Long shifts with ash for a pillow
The first time you wonder if your body can get back up
Doubt, endurance, and what keeps you going
Why the mission is clear, the skills are used daily, and the growth is real
The Bottom Line:
If you're shot-curious, a firefighter eyeing the line, or a medic ready to move beyond staging, this is your field guide. Adam doesn't sugarcoat it—the work is hard, but the payoff is real.
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[00:00:00] Life Inside The Hotshot Buggy
[00:05:28] Deployments, Boot Years, And Identity
[00:11:15] Finding Purpose In EMS And Fire
[00:17:01] Paramedic School, Workload, And Fit
[00:24:03] From Baghdad To Springville Tryout
[00:31:20] Brotherhood, Fights, And Family Dynamics
[00:38:50] How Medics Tie In With Crews
[00:44:04] Small Gestures That Build Trust
[00:50:04] Pay, Preference, And Opportunity
[00:59:15] How To Get Hired On A Crew
[01:11:40] Closing Thanks And Takeaways