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Three Guys Tackle the Biggest Issue Nobody's Addressing In Wildland Fire

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Wildland fire admin is still way too hard. Between scattered job boards, paper CTRs, certs in three folders, and a new login for every crew you've ever rostered with — there's no reason it should still feel this messy. In this rapid-fire FAQ, we sit down to clear up exactly what The Journeyman is, what you get with a free wildland firefighter profile, and why we refuse to charge people just to look at jobs.

We also get into the parts most folks don't expect: trainings and events, season tracking, digital shift tickets, crew time reports, and an offline mode that still works when you're a hundred miles from cell service.

Then we tackle the questions we hear nonstop from firefighters and business owners:

– Can other companies see my roster?
– Are you selling my data?
– What's public, what's private, and who controls it?
– How does multi rostering actually work?
– What does the premium profile unlock for incident tracking?

We walk through how permissions work, why incognito mode puts visibility back in the user's hands, and how phantom profiles let companies track personnel without forcing every firefighter into the platform.
For business owners, we break down how The Journeyman functions as full wildland fire business management software — certifications, documents, equipment, inventory, incidents, and cleaner handoffs when a manager is covering multiple fires or an owner goes down mid-season. Continuity matters, and the patchwork of spreadsheets and group texts isn't cutting it.

If you've got questions about anything we covered, shoot us an email, give us a call, or text us — text is probably the fastest. We'll get you taken care of.

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[00:00:00] Free Profile And Job Board
[00:04:40] More Than Hiring Connections
[00:10:16] Multi Rostering And Incognito Mode
[00:20:42] Free Versus Premium Firefighter
[00:26:14] When A Manager Goes Down
[00:31:11] Competing Tools And AI Onboarding
[00:36:47] Checklists Expansion And Wrap Up

SPEAKER_02

We always want a free wildland fire profile. Tell me about what you get for free, and then tell me about what our premium firefighter profile is.

SPEAKER_01

The free version of the wildland firefighter profile is very powerful, right? You're gonna have access to the job board, no cost. We don't do a you know six, nine dollars a month to just look at jobs. All your events and training, seminars, all that you get access to. Obviously, your completed profile, searching for companies, an eight line, your IRPG, rewards, essentially the entire platform outside of two things.

SPEAKER_02

What data of mine can people or other businesses see? People will get very wary about their data, which is understandable. To right off the bat dispel that we are so busy that I promise we do not care who's on your roster. We don't have any interest in your people. I'm sure they're great, no offense, but we've got our own. Uh, and also we don't have any interest in seeing what's going on on the inside of your business, honestly.

SPEAKER_01

We've definitely seen some some other platforms.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Bring it up. I mean, but the thing is, is they're like you're you're charging for a job board. Grow up. It's not 2011. Nobody wants to pay six dollars for a job board, like post that shit for free.

SPEAKER_02

All right, Brennan, the Brennan's and I. Brennan's squared. Brennan Squared. Um, I thought today we could do a little mini episode on some frequently asked questions and common misconceptions about the journeyman, things we have asked to us all the time, or things we just hear about that people think what T Jam is. Um Do you have a written list? I do have to read things.

SPEAKER_00

You would like me to read in the voices that I think some of these people are asking them.

SPEAKER_02

Uh and we're canceled. You can. Um, but we'll just start from the top with we get DMs all the time from people saying, like, where do I show up? Uh what's the pay? When can I start? Things like that. So, Brandon, do you want to clear that?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yep. And so that comes a lot from our social media. Um, we'll be posting, you know, are you a veteran looking to get into wild and fire? Are you trying to find wild and fire jobs? And I think that uh some people just think that the journeyman is a company that is going and has different fiber agreements or resources. Uh, and that's not the case. It's businesses that use our platform for whatever reason uh are hiring on there, right? We don't charge for job postings on the company side. We also don't charge for the job board. So if you're looking for hiring, get signed up on the platform and go to that job board or search for companies, right? And then you get linked up that way. We also take USA jobs and other other job postings from states as best as we can and and kind of bring it all together so you don't have to go to Google and type in wild and fire jobs and go to six different websites. Like we want it a nice organized list of all the available positions out there.

SPEAKER_02

A little bit on the Fed side, state side, private side. Cover all the bases. Um maybe we will leak a little something. Uh we just said you won't be working for the journeyman, but someone may be soon because we are gonna start scraping or making posts out there because it's gotten to the point where we need a full-time salesperson. So um if you are if you do have sales experience and fire experience, that's like our perfect trifecta that we're looking for.

SPEAKER_01

Um trifecta with two things. Um and let me clarify on that. We're not looking for someone to do sales while they're doing wildland fire. This would be for someone who's maybe looking to transition out, uh, or has already got out and um wants to still be within the industry, but just doesn't want to go on fires. Yeah. Um, you'd be selling the platform and and getting the word out.

SPEAKER_02

So yeah, get be on the ground floor of something that's gonna grow.

SPEAKER_01

I think another misconception we get, uh part of it is just the growth of the platform over the last couple of years, is they think we're just uh a professional connection platform, like we just do jobs and hiring. That is not the case. Um, whether you're a company or a wild and firefighter, you can find trainings, you can track your own season. Um, you have a community to get in contact with and ask questions and get some answers. Um, but then as a business, it's more so uh a business management tool, right? Uh tracking your people, their certifications, all their documents, um, your equipment and resources, as well as your incidents through the season. So you rather than having a Google Share Drive, um, you know, or three other platforms that you pay thousands of dollars a year, you can bring it all into one platform and get better overview of how your operations are going. So we're not just a professional connection platform that's like five percent of the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, this is my biggest one that is starting to drive me crazy because it did kind of start that way, but it's evolved to so much more, and we're probably biased because we're on the business side and uh we absolutely love it, and I'm gonna say need it now that we know the power of the tool. So it is not just for hiring, a very small part of it for us. It's a business management software that helps us run our company more effectively, track everything from equipment and inventory to financials. Like um, we've invited our accountant and bookkeeper on here.

SPEAKER_01

Some people have invited their MOU inspector, whoever makes their red cards on there, because the document sharing is super easy.

SPEAKER_02

They've invited their medical director on there, so there's streamlined access from their roster straight to the medical director. If your medical director wants that, we've built out an entire medical director platform. So if you are a medical director and want to better track the people you oversee, you can do that. Um just many tools far beyond jobs. So glad to clear that up. Um one thing we get a lot of questions around is what data of mine can people or other businesses see? Yeah, that is uh people will get very wary about their data, uh, which is understandable. But uh, you know, and some I was surprised some companies we know didn't know that all your prices and equipment if you're in the Viper system is public, so everyone in the world with an internet connection can see uh how much you charge per day for your assets, where they're at, all that. So a lot of these things are already public, but Brennan, will you tell us more about what firefighters can see, other businesses can see, what we can see? That's pretty important. I think some people are like, well, wait a minute, you guys have a uh your own company, you're gonna be in there seeing my this and that, and like to right off the bat dispel that we are so busy that I promise we do not care who's on your roster. We don't have any interest in your people. I'm sure they're great, no offense, but we've got our own. Uh, and also we don't have any interest in seeing what's going on on the inside of your business, honestly.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, can you tell us about that, Brennan? Just kidding. Um data was sold to China. Right. We we use uh Google Firebase, which has a I think a 256-bit encrypted security back end. It's kind of a gold, gold-ish standard for for running mobile apps out there. So with a company, all your financials that you upload, your pay rates, your resources, how you build your kits, all that is only visible to the owner and invited administrators, right? The employees that join your roster can't see it, right? Minuteman EMS can't, you know, look up uh some other company and see who's on their roster, what they've gone and done. We can't see any of that. Uh, we can't even from our admin side portal.

SPEAKER_02

Like us is the journeyman inventors, you can't even see that.

SPEAKER_01

And then like you said, nor do we nor do I want to. 99% of it is all public information, right? I would say outside of your private chats, which again are private to your organization. The rest of that's public information. So I guess so long as you're not putting your pre-season pricing before you submit it or before you know everything's awarded, that's about the only thing that's super you know, protected, thank you. Um, but you can't see incidents, documents, OF286s, your income, like unless you share that with uh like you download the copies and send it out, no one can see it. And then vice versa, if you're a wild and firefighter and you're like, uh, you know, why would I want to upload all my certs and stuff? I don't have a company. Uh it's a good place just to get notifications for expiring and to share your docs. But again, if you when you upload any document or certificate, anything like that, you have privacy settings on there, right? So you can set it to public or private or roster only, things like that. Um we take it seriously because obviously I wouldn't want other companies necessarily seeing our roster or communications, so we extend that to all of our customers as well.

SPEAKER_02

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01

So just uh a little bit more context with the multi-rostering, right? There are companies out there, we've all seen it that they say we don't we don't do multi-rostering, like we want one person committed to our company, and that's totally fine. Like that works for some individuals and some companies, but it's not the reality of of everyone in Wild and Fire. So multi-rostering is a thing. But if it isn't, we do offer the a way for you to be invisible, right? If if you join the platform and you don't want anyone to see you, it's one one quick adjustment in your settings for incognito mode. And that's the same if, like Brennan, if you join Minuteman EMS and you're like, okay, I'm only working for Minuteman, you can go in there, turn on your invisible status, and no other company is going to be able to access your profile or message you or anything like that. Like you're dedicated to that company. We don't give that power to the company because I personally don't believe that's not their choice. There's kind of no compete agreements out there you don't want to deal with. It's the user's option, it's a user's choice to be invisible and join whatever companies they want. Obviously, you as the company can remove them from your roster if that's an issue.

SPEAKER_02

Yep. Remember, you as the firefighter are your own advocate. No one wants to get you out more than you, so you got to look out for yourself. Um the I mean, even missing two days could be a month of groceries for a family of four or a vacation or whatever. So you got to get it while you can get it. Companies don't own you, nor should they act like they do. So we've never been that way. Nope. They are free, sovereign individuals who can come and go as they would like.

SPEAKER_01

Especially with it's seasonal part-time on-call work. We don't get to pick where the fires are, when they're gonna, you know, need whatever resources and what those requirements are. And our goal as the the companies providing these resources to the government is that we can fill them when they call, right? And so a guy on the East Coast may not be the best choice right away, even though he's worked for me for three seasons to send out first. And so he's gotta, like you said, look out for his own self-interest with how small the fire window is. Um, last thing I'll add to that if you are a company, again, you don't have to have your people join the platform. You can do everything within the app and tracking your resources, your gear, building profiles for people, and not have that end user on the journey man. So we've really given two or three different ways for you to use the platform based on how comfortable you are with you know the things you need.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. The only downside to using what we call the phantom profiles, Brennan mentioned, is that there's no one on the other end. So if I I have a Brendan Hill in my roster that's a phantom profile, I can't send him a push notification, I can't message him, I can't assign him tasks to say, hey, complete this checklist. Uh he won't be able to do shift tickets, you won't be able to upload O of 286s, things like that.

SPEAKER_01

So there are benefits.

SPEAKER_02

Choose your own adventure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Again, I I don't care what other companies are doing. Um, we're not selling data, we're not doing any insider stuff like that. We have a death uh an ethics and uh security agreement that you can always go and read. We're happy to sit down and conversations and and show you everything on the platform front and back end. So we can see on the administrator side as the journeyman, not minute man, as the journeyman, we can see basic info of people that have joined because you're gonna run into issues, right? If you say, hey, I'm having a user who's uh can't see the company profile, I gotta be able to troubleshoot a little bit. Tech support. Exactly, right? But I I can't go into your incidents, I can't see your uploaded documents, I can't see your company conversations or your push notifications, none of that. I can't see the rates or notes you assign to people. It's very minimal basic info. Again, that that uh data and ethics disclosure will go over the things we can see uh and the things we can't see.

SPEAKER_02

So again, I truly promise we don't care or are not Snoopy or interested in what other companies are up to. We're so up to our eyeballs and Minuteman and the Journeyman running them both that we don't have the time. So misconceptions.

SPEAKER_01

Have you heard of any misconceptions or like ah it's kind of confusing about this, that, or the other. I've heard people talk about blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_00

What's the scuttle butt about the journeyman? You know, every time I tell someone to download the journeyman, they're always like, Well, what is it? I think just the simplest explanation for you could divide it into two categories. Are you coming in as an employee for somebody else, or are you coming in as a business owner? On the employee side, it's a great place to get connected, find out who needs certain folks. It's opportunities all over the place. Trainings, companies looking for employees, your own personal employee tools and resources, tracking your own season. And then the other categories, obviously, for the business owners as a business management tool. Um you guys have thought of everything because you do also do it and use it for your own company.

SPEAKER_01

Not only as the business side, but we remember as con you know, working for other companies. Shit, I wish I had this five, six years ago so I could go back and see, wow, you know, in 2021, I had 89 days on fire. I went to these incidents and, you know, just have this cool historical record of the things I've gone and done in the different fires.

SPEAKER_00

So I the biggest thing that I get from people when I tell them to download it is like, well, what is it? And just a quick explanation of just get on there, start opening up the tabs, see what's available to you, and and utilize it in the season. I think a lot of people are gonna be really happy with the way that things turn out. They're like, oh, sweet. I got to see what I did the whole season, all of my electronic shift tickets. Awesome. Saves you a lot of time having to actually use your hand to write things.

SPEAKER_01

And we're gonna have CTRs this year too. So if you're out there doing crew time reports and you're gonna write 20 names in there, no, uh that's a waste of time. Auto-fill those, just do your dates and times and pertinent remarks and go get your signatures, and then it saves to your profile, your company owner gets an email, it saves to the resource, finance gets a copy. There's four different copies out there, so there's minimal issues with finance.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Can you explain some of the offline features for if I don't have a Starlink and I'm on crew?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's a that is another question we get all the time. Is okay, well, you know, what if I go to a fire and it's you know super small in the middle of nowhere, and I don't, I'm not giving Starlinks to my guys. We will have offline mode for all of this. So obviously on their way to the fire, they're gonna have service. So just make sure you create that resource before they get there.

SPEAKER_02

Give them the RO.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, give them, give them the RO and and maybe make sure they download their certs. But then when they're on the incident and they're uploading shift tickets or they're doing notes and anything like that, all that will save to their device in an offline mode. And then when they get back to service or ICP and connect to that cell buffalo or whatever, it will update and you'll get notifications and stuff like that. So you will have an offline mode, it works just the same.

SPEAKER_02

Question for you while you're out there promoting the journey man, which we love and appreciate. Have you been using your QR code to earn referral points towards gifts and prizes?

SPEAKER_00

Uh, I think I know you guys, so I felt bad doing that. We're trying to reward you, bro. But if I were just coming in and I was like, oh, this is awesome for sure. I think the fact that you have a QR code, because I the the biggest thing that we want people to know. I'm a huge fan of the phrase of you don't know what you don't know. And too many people have no idea that this is a thing yet. When you're on season for a hundred plus days, this is something you could have been using the entire season and making your life a whole lot more comfortable than it is currently just being out there. So um any we've got you guys have plenty of merch stickers? Are you guys offering uh sticker packs for no?

SPEAKER_01

We got some. If you go to Livetgm.com and we'll link it in the app, but there is a redeem reward section. So we've added some things like goon tape and wild batch, hydro lid. We might even do like a Starlink mini, you know, if you get to enough points. You know, just we want to get the word out, it's a good tool. The more people that are there, the more power it will bring for everyone.

SPEAKER_02

So if you're out there with a company and you refer your company and they do a demo with us, that's the way to earn the most points. That's 20 points right there. You get one point for joining and completing your profile. Five, five for completing five for just completing your profile.

SPEAKER_01

So a little bit of work history, a couple certs and qualls is all you need.

SPEAKER_00

It's easier than putting in your Zen points for rewards, you know, having to log in on the website.

SPEAKER_02

For real, they don't even have an app. And on profile completions, like it is so much in your best interest to have a completed profile because sometimes people will request to join our roster. We open their profile and there's nothing there, and it's almost an automatic reject. Like, come on, tell us a little about yourself, have a photo, you know, something.

SPEAKER_01

And and like you said, the certs, right? They're your certs, they're your responsibility. Take a little pride in your career to have some organization things, like you give a shit, essentially, right? It goes a long way, and the skills that you can put in. If you're not with a company and and maybe someone needs an emergency hire or they're trying to network, having those skills lets them refine down who they're looking for.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Like if you you're an emt, click wild land EMS, but you could also click uh fire suppression. You could also maybe have your CDL, you could click CDL, and if you're pretty agnostic as what you go out as, then you just more opportunities coming your way. Yeah. All right, Brennan. Holloway. Will you please explain to me? We have tiers for our companies. We always want a free wildland fire profile. Tell me about what you get for free, and then tell me about what our premium uh firefighter profile is.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. Like you said, we get questions of like, oh, what does it cost? I don't want to join. Uh the free version of the wild and firefighter profile is very powerful, right? You're gonna have access to the job board, no cost. We don't do a you know six, nine dollars a month to just look at jobs. Nope. Uh all your events and training, seminars, all that you get access to. Obviously, your completed profile, searching for companies, an eight line, your IRPG rewards, essentially the entire platform outside of two things the spotlight, like individual user spotlight, uh, and incidents. Now there's a caveat with the incidents, right? If if you have joined the profile, Brennan, and you're working for a company and that company has assigned you to an incident, yes, you're gonna have incident, you're gonna be able to see that and do everything within there for free. But if you're an individual who's not and you're just tracking your own season, then that would be included. Included in the firefighter premium to join incidents, have all the same capabilities as the company, but just for your one single resource, and then it'll track over time, right? Because you're only going to join one at a time, or you can only be at one fire at a time. Uh, and that'll give you a good spotlight, the days and dollars. It helps support the journeyman so we can continue to build cool features and bring new things in, uh, at all the requests we get.

SPEAKER_02

So this makes me think of another common misconception that this is just for private contractors. That's absolutely not true. If you were on a state hand crew, a federal hotshot crew, a fuels mitigation crew, and you wanted to track where you went when you were there, the names of the incidents and all that, you could also join as a premium firefighter and track that.

SPEAKER_01

And even just your own organization. A lot of times, some of these companies or agencies or states, they don't have a good process set up for keeping all your documents organized. And then you get to the end of the year, end of the incident, and there's issues, and now you're going through your shift ticket book or trying to find the the carbon copy of your checkout form. And it's like, nope, you can you can upload these all TJMs when you have those issues or you need verification, you can go and grab it and send it.

SPEAKER_00

Are there non-wildland fire opportunities coming to the journeyman?

SPEAKER_01

We'd for sure like it to be out. Like we said, we take USA jobs, some of the federal ones that are posted, uh, and you can apply that way. And we have talked to a few uh state agencies who are interested in using the journeyman to track. Um, but obviously the more traction we get, the more the word gets out, they get exposed to it. And yeah, definitely have plans.

SPEAKER_02

I would add if you are a firefighter, it's a member of a state crew, fed crew, private crew, anything, and you like what we're saying right now, please tell your management about it and or reach out to us and we'll reach out to us and we'll reach out to them. Either way, you'll get 20 points and then maybe help your organization run a little smoother.

SPEAKER_00

So how much are you guys charging for the premium firefighter profiles?

SPEAKER_01

I'd have to go back and double check, but there's a there's a monthly, a quarterly, and a and an annual option. I think the annual is just$129 a year, monthly, maybe$15.99 a month, quarterly in the$40 or$50 range. Like you could go work an two hours on your first AFR and pay for the whole thing.

SPEAKER_00

Is there an option where maybe I'm wanting a free profile? If I refer enough people, I would get some time for free.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we actually we could because you get you get points for referring people. Uh we'll probably set a a point or a reward up for like if you get 150 points or whatever it is, you can get a year of firefighter premium. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02

Good idea.

SPEAKER_01

Yep, great idea. You'll see it in the journey man this year. Sales on sales on sales. Sales on sales on sales. Again, I'm we've put a lot of a lot of time and a lot of money into this, and we're not we're not really in it for the money. Like, yes, we want to be able to pay it off and keep it going and keep building. We have a lot of ideas, but when you look at what some other gear tracking and communications services and platforms out there, it's fucking hundreds of dollars a month. And they do one thing. Like, we just want a good resource for companies to make their lives easier because it is so busy, and then a great tool for wild and firefighters.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I've said this from the beginning, even if uh it doesn't work out as a business, like I'm we're not gonna stop putting money into it and developing it because we want it that bad as a tool. I think you know, we've easily spent over six figures on this uh development and everything. I think it's it's fucking worth it for you, especially we stretch it out over a few years. Uh, it's worth it the power we have as business owners and management and organization.

SPEAKER_01

It's been great for our roster communications-wise, you know, for whether they're showing up to trainings or have questions. Uh it's just it's made life easy. We've talked about it when when you had your your incident last year, you know. We both run Minuteman, right? You might accept some calls and set up some resources when I'm busy, vice versa. But when you became unavailable or you know, another person in your team is incapacitated and otherwise not able to continue what they're doing, your other admins can hop on and pick up right where you left off. They see the the team chats, they see all the documents, they know what day they're on. Like everyone's on the same loop, which saves you so much time.

SPEAKER_02

So, for you, the business owners, a question if something happens to you, like happened to me, I went down, brain surgery incapacitated for you know a couple months, and that happens to you in the middle of the fire season. Is your management team ready to just take over? Because you were, because you had the journeyman, it was seamless. You didn't have to ask me for shit. It was kind of nice. So just lounging in the hospital, waiting to get cancer.

SPEAKER_01

Just chilling. It was really relaxed. But it is a valuable question, and that's not just you as the owner, right? Maybe maybe you're not the owner of the company and you do just the the personnel management, right? You're a large larger organization, or you do just the the resource tracking part of it.

SPEAKER_02

Like it's kind of vice versa, too, because sometimes the managers are carrying most of the burden, and say you your key person, your key manager goes down. Now the business owners got to be the one to step up to the plate and start doing the lifting. Like, are you ready for that? We get a lot, we'll do a demo with the business owner, and he's like, Yeah, I love it, but you need to show it to my managers because they're so you do need to have everyone in your management structure have familiarity with the app for sure. That way everyone's ready to do ready to take over in some sort of event like that. Or, you know, people need time off. It's quite a grind to be a manager all summer. Like it's pretty easy on the fire side. You just get assigned a fire and you go, but then when you're managing 14 of those that are out at different fires, different times, different R days, different this, that shit breaking down, like everyone in the management team needs to be you know on the same page. Nope.

SPEAKER_01

If there are questions, comments, concerns that we haven't addressed that you want to know, reach out at any time. Like we're always happy to hop on a call, explain it, show it. If we don't have a solution for what you're asking, we'll put it in there. Like again, it's it is built for Minuteman and how we were kind of running things, but we're obviously aware that everyone does things differently, and it's pretty easy to add things. So just come up and ask, email us, message us, anything or in a demo. Um just let us know.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that's the cool part about uh being a part of the journey man as it's evolving, is like you could have direct say in what gets built. I've seen on more than one occasion when we do demos with the company, they're like, hey, it would be nice if, and then Brendan's like, challenge accepted, and then next update, it's in the app.

SPEAKER_01

So we had that for the glide path. So if you log on as a company or even as a user, you now see that nice glide path and what day you're on. We did that for training records, sharing certificate. Like, there's been so many things where once people see it and they're excited, and then they give us their feedback, we're putting it in. Yeah, don't care.

SPEAKER_02

Because we built this off of every problem we ever ran into, so that was covering most of them, and then we're getting feedback from others. So, and Brendan is the best tech support guy out there. I'm gonna say if people have a problem, he's fucking on it right away. Uh people have even um I don't know if you want me advertising this too much, but have uh added you as an admin to their company so you can hop in there and clean things up. Yep, it's always an option. Uh he's just great at it. So he'll be available all summer. Yep.

SPEAKER_01

If anything pops up with the app, been given out my personal phone number. Text me, call me. I don't care what time it is. Like it's dangerous. I know. I I'll probably eventually have to change my number, which is unfortunate because I love my phone number. It's very easy to remember. It was my grandma's phone number back when she had it, but it's just super easy to remember. But I don't I don't care. You're using the journeyman this year as a company or a firefighter. I want you to have a good first experience and I'll make myself available.

SPEAKER_00

Like so, I mean, what I'm hearing is that the journeyman is the one-stop shop for all your wildland fire administration needs.

SPEAKER_01

I mean copyright that. Copyright it, and there's other platforms we keep seeing it on Facebook now. Like for context, we started the Journeyman, the idea conceptually in 2023.

SPEAKER_02

I thought it was 2021 on a napkin.

SPEAKER_01

True, on a napkin. Like when we first started, I I guess writing down the business plan, it was around 2023, and development didn't really fully start until end of 2023, beginning of 2024. So we've been doing this for a couple of years now, building it. And yes, this is kind of like the first year other companies are using it, but uh we've definitely seen some some other platforms. Yeah, bring it on. I mean, but the thing is, is they're like you're you're charging for a job board. Grow up. It's not 2011. Nobody wants to pay six dollars for a job board, like post that shit for free.

SPEAKER_00

Who's still paying for the worst responders?

SPEAKER_01

Well, hey, they're the go. Edit it out. I will say they yeah, they they got me to New York. They're the go. Much gratitude. They get a lot of contracts outside of Wildman Fire. Like, we're just not, I get that, but these are other platforms that are specifically for Wildman Fire, and they're like, oh, six dollars a month for a job board.

SPEAKER_02

God knows what they're charging the companies to post it, and then they're trying to mimic all these other features, and it's like I think there's other job finding platforms out there, what I don't think is out there, and I would put my last dollar on it if there is, that it they don't have a business management software built by people who have run a business in the wild and fire jobs that integrates not only your company but the people you employ, like the two sides of it. And now we're giving them fucking ideas, so that's fine.

SPEAKER_01

Bring it up, like you said, it it is it's been a lot of time and a lot of uh investment. So if you want to feed in a quarter of a million dollars to build a better tool than us, fire away. Go for it. I I applaud you and and trying and doing it, and you know, competition's healthy, but good luck. Um, if you're a business out there and you're using some of these other platforms, consider a demo because you might be surprised at what uh our platform can do versus some of these other ones. We've heard it multiple times this year from Wow, I didn't know I didn't know it did all this. This is awesome. You guys really get it because I uh every time there really hasn't been a demo uh where someone didn't have that reaction. Sure, we've had questions and comments and concerns and we've addressed them. Uh and some people are like, hey man, you you you're doing 90% of what we want, but I'm not willing to to to go that extra step until you get these last things. Hey, got it, man. Give me give me six months next year. We'll have it. We'll have that MOU inspector. You can get red cards made, we'll have a payroll, whatever it is. Um, and so we don't fully expect that everyone will onboard. Yeah, some larger companies, I get it, you guys have been around for 10, 15, 20 years. You have a really robust system built. But that system is built on eight different platforms that your you your employees have to have four different apps and communicate over here, and all the certifications get over here, and then your administrators.

SPEAKER_02

Inventorying of shit is over here.

SPEAKER_01

And then your administrators spend hours and hours compiling and organizing and putting that data together to give a business overview. You're wasting your time. You're you're wasting so much of your time.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, we made uh onboarding an absolute breeze. We have some AI extraction tools that can just take your Viper agreement and take every piece of pertinent information out of it and put it on your profile. So then when you are assigning your equipment, engine, dozer, whatever to an incident, it has it all auto-filled on your shift tickets, everything's auto-filled. You're not having to worry about people making a mistake on the agreement number, the VIN, the whatever. Yeah. So it's very easy to upload your equipment from Viper. Yeah. Uh, and if you still can't find the time for that, Brennan and I will personally do that for you. Sure.

SPEAKER_01

And we can do that with your equipment. Uh, your roster, we kind of do the same thing. If you have just a document with names and emails, you can upload that. It will invite all those users via their email, or you can just create contacts. Same with like the supplies, right? Medical company. I don't want to enter in a BVM and you know all the different IV catheters and all the ET tube stuff. Like I can go to boundary, download my order history, go to AI upload, and it creates all of it for me. Sure, do I have to go in there and tweak a few things? Yeah, but that's a few minutes versus hours of work.

SPEAKER_02

Which, if you, for example, we were going to use the company you just mentioned, they have an internal inventory system, and I remember it's eighteen hundred dollars a year. So that's eighteen hundred for one software. I'm sure we can think of others that are a couple thousand bucks and they don't talk to each other. They don't talk to each other, they're not for wildland fire companies.

SPEAKER_01

So a lot of them, a lot of them are for structure, yeah. Which I get, right? You're tracking your engine, and when you open this door, there's this, this, this, this, and I get that. But that's not always the reality out on wildland fire. I give you the op if you want to go that detailed and creating checklists, and you have that power, but it's not necessarily needed for everyone, nor does everyone need to pay the thousands of dollars a month or year to use that.

SPEAKER_02

Our checklists are incredibly robust. I think that's gonna be a whole short episode on its own of showing the sky's the limit on what you want your employees to do on a daily, weekly, monthly basis to pieces of equipment, gear, training actions, inspection logs, use logs, service logs. The list goes on and on. Yep. And we are always coming up with ideas. So this is uh literally continuously uh evolving. By the time this podcast airs, there's probably gonna be things on that we haven't talked about or even thought about today.

SPEAKER_01

So and even if you've had a demo with us in a year ago, uh consider another one. Again, we'll answer those questions that you may still have, but you can see all the new integrations we have.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Oh yeah, I'm really happy with this one. Uh should we wrap it up then?

SPEAKER_01

I think so. Yeah, you got anything? Too easy.

SPEAKER_00

I think my good thought came out already. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

All right, well, that's a wrap, everybody. Thank you for tuning again, tuning in again to the Spiked Out Podcast. More to come. Uh, if you have any questions about anything we talked about today, I think we said it before, but we're accessible at any time. Uh give us uh email, call, probably text might be the best. Um and we will get you taken care of. Nope. Adios. Till next time.