Episode 31 (Dr. Death, Customer service, Deployments)

On this episode of the Hot Ashes Podcast from Georgia Cigars in Swansboro, NC, Lee and TK are joined by Evan for cigars, bourbon, and some wild conversations.

We kick things off with what we’re smoking and drinking, then dive into:

TK’s upcoming wedding – planning stress, pre‑game jitters, and why he’s giving his fiancée 100% of the credit
Evan’s first Marine Corps deployment and homecoming – forgetting to call his parents, UTV horror stories, and what he missed most while overseas
The insane story of a Florida doctor indicted for second‑degree manslaughter after removing the wrong organ in surgery, and a heated talk about medical accountability and malpractice
Customer service rants – from VA phone hell to fast‑food attitudes and why good service feels rare these days
A surprisingly deep (and funny) debate on showers, bar soap vs. loofahs, and hygiene
Gym etiquette & fashion trends we hate – broccoli hair, mullets, massive eyelashes, and the “influencer” gym crowd
Swimming, Marine water survival, and pool stories – underwater games, CWS quals, AMP training, and overcoming fear of the water
Future travel and family trip plans, plus thoughts on fatherhood, aging, and making time for the people who matter
If you like cigars, real talk, dark humor, and unfiltered opinions, you’re in the right place.

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Your take on the Florida doc story
Your biggest customer service horror story
Where you stand on the great bar‑soap vs. loofah debate
Timestamps (you can tweak these to your actual edit):

0:00 – Intro, cigars & drinks
2:30 – TK’s wedding countdown
6:30 – Evan’s deployment & homecoming
12:00 – The Florida “wrong organ” doctor story
36:00 – VA & customer service rants
50:00 – Bar soap vs. loofah, hygiene talk
58:00 – Fashion trends and gym etiquette
1:15:00 – Swimming, Marine stories & AMP
1:30:00 – Travel, family, and wrapping up

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Ready? Beyond. Welcome to the Hot Ashes Podcast. I'm Lee. TK Baby. I thought I'd never make it. We're here at Georgia's Cigars in Swansboro, North Carolina. As always, we're gonna talk about everything and nothing all at once, solve the world's problems, and uh not ever get fat checked on anything ever. Never. Alright. So before we get into anything, we always start with what we're smoking and what we're drinking. I am smoking a George's box press torpedo, my favorite cigar here. Uh it's it's it's my go-to. When people come in and ask for a recommendation, I I and I'm and I say I I can tell you what I like. I can't tell you if you're gonna like it, but this is what I compare it to. And I'm drinking a Pernie Hayes. TK.

SPEAKER_05 0:56

TK is rocking with the brick house Robosto Maduro Solange. Just went in there and kind of blindly picked me something out. And off the rip, it's good. And I'm sipping on that uh Tidewalker, straight bourbon whiskey, which you will see whenever Ed starts talking because it's on the table. It is good though. Thank you, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 1:20

My pleasure. And who do we have on mic three?

SPEAKER_06 1:23

Okay, it's Evan.

SPEAKER_03 1:24

Evan, we've talked about you on the show before. Evan, we'll get we'll get into you in a minute and your story and all that stuff. But first, what are you smoking? What are you drinking?

SPEAKER_06 1:32

I'm smoking a sweet leather rose. Nice little sweet cigar. Nice. And then core's light. Can't go wrong with it. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 1:39

Uh man after my own heart. Is the leather rose the one you always smoke? No, it's fat bottom.

SPEAKER_04 1:43

I'm smoking leather rose as well. Oh, okay. It's our favorite, yeah. I'm uh smoking a leather rose, uh, same as my son. And I am uh drinking a little taste of Maine. Uh my parents are moving down here uh in two weeks, and I thought uh this was a Christmas gift for my parents. Sweet. It's a young bourbon um from the coast of Maine. Uh slow proof, but 90 proof, but pretty smooth for a young bourbon. So it is good. It is good. Not bad for a Christmas gift.

SPEAKER_03 2:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:14

Price was right.

SPEAKER_03 2:15

We might have to get into that trick that Roger was talking about later. We'll get into that a little later.

SPEAKER_05 2:19

What trick are we talking about here?

SPEAKER_03 2:21

Oh, we'll have to let you know, man. We just can't we can't just tell you right away.

SPEAKER_05 2:24

Are we gonna surprise you? Okay. I'll be the guinea pig.

SPEAKER_03 2:29

All right, TK, you got something coming up very soon, don't you?

SPEAKER_05 2:32

Yes, I do. My wedding is in eight days. Yeah. I'm excited. Yeah, so especially with all of the planning, and that's I'm taking zero credit for any of it. I just gotta shout out to my fiance for this one because she duh has done literally everything. Literally everything.

SPEAKER_03 2:49

You were not saying that before we went on the air. I know.

SPEAKER_05 2:52

Right? Dude, I'm telling you, and it's it's it's been tough. Like not in a bad way, just like, you know, logistically trying to plan it all and try to get it all together. And she salute her. I don't I don't know. I'm not gonna do much better than you know, than that. Because she if she can handle that, she can handle me when I'm pooping on myself and I can't remember anything. So she'll be taking care of me.

SPEAKER_03 3:15

Is that more stories from the Mexico trip?

SPEAKER_05 3:18

No, not that I know of. Yeah, we'll have to ask Jody. Yeah. But yeah, so yeah, I just wanted to shout her out one time. She's done a lot, aka everything. I've been just giving the thumbs up to everything. Now you like this? If you like it, I love it. That's what I've been saying a lot the past couple weeks, and it's gonna be a good one, man. It's I'm excited. That's good. People keep asking me if I'm nervous, and I haven't been, but now I'm like kind of nervous, but like in a way like before you're about to play a sports game type of nervous. A little excited, right? Yeah. Anxious, I guess, not nervous. There, that, that. All that all the above.

SPEAKER_03 3:56

Excited, just we can, it's but it's like you can't really hear what you're gonna hear you, but it's just echoey and weird in the background.

SPEAKER_04 4:04

It's crazy because you there's so much pre-planning and everything like that, and the day happens and it just seems to just go so fast.

SPEAKER_05 4:11

I can already see that it's gonna be that way, you know, just because of how everything is like it in any wedding, it's just time-stamped, like, all right, we're gonna do this at the ceremony, and then we're gonna be over here taking pictures, and then we're gonna go. You have a DJ? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:23

So he you know, he's kind of runs the show. So exactly. It's kind of nice.

SPEAKER_05 4:26

You guys lay back and let everything that you've worked out, you know, and that's what I'm been telling Nicole, and she knows, but it's like you just let go, now just enjoy it. Right. Because you you don't need to quarterback it the day of because we have a coordinator there and a DJ.

SPEAKER_04 4:40

You want to enjoy the day, not stress out about it.

SPEAKER_03 4:42

Yeah, you don't want her to be the bridezilla.

SPEAKER_05 4:44

She she's not gonna be that. I think she's just as excited to get to the day as anybody because she's done planning. She's like, I can't take it anymore. But I'm like, good thing you can't take it anymore because we're done. We figured it off.

SPEAKER_03 4:55

You have nothing else left, right?

SPEAKER_05 4:57

Nah, we were just the last thing we were doing was just finishing up the deposits, tying up all the the you know, the last payments and etc. But logistically and planning wise, it's all it's all good to go.

SPEAKER_03 5:10

Right. Well, that's good. It's good as it's gonna be. That much less to worry about. Right. So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:16

I just wanted her to have a great day. That's all I want. It's gonna be a great day because she's marrying me. Absolutely. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 5:23

Yeah, yeah, Ron. There you go. That's that's a good way to put it. All right. Do you want to introduce who Evan is to you?

SPEAKER_04 5:32

Well, obviously, Evan is uh my middle son. And uh my oldest son's birthday today. Happy birthday to Edward. 28 years old today. Sweet. God, yeah, I think it was just about now. He was a late afternoon baby.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

Cool.

SPEAKER_04 5:47

So uh but uh Evan, we're happy to have him home here. So he is on leave right now, right?

SPEAKER_06 5:54

Yep, 20 days on leave. I need nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:57

A little vacation. Well deserved. He's a Marine lieutenant and he just did some cool stuff already, you know, starting things out, right? Got his first deployment, which is what was better being on the deployment? Well, obviously the homecoming was better, but yeah, he forgot to call us.

SPEAKER_04 6:16

He was sitting on the side of the curb with his baggage waiting for us to pick him up.

SPEAKER_03 6:21

Oh, you guys didn't know that.

SPEAKER_04 6:22

No, we were we were waiting, sitting around the house going, All right, he's gonna call us, he's gonna call us. And we knew that uh eight uh nine o'clock was the time, and it was eight o'clock, and all of a sudden the phone rings. He's like, Hey, where are you guys at? And I'm like, Well, you called me, did you? That was part of you know, forgotten about. So call your parents, let them know they're to explain myself.

SPEAKER_06 6:44

So I was the plane team commander for the movement from coming back to deployment. So being there an hour and a half early, just say I'm not taking credit for it, but I'm saying that it was the it was my fault. And completely forgot to give you all a phone call.

SPEAKER_04 7:00

Yeah, so his a buddy of his stayed back to make sure that somebody was actually gonna come pick him up. Right.

SPEAKER_03 7:06

Did you think that like the uh the fro or something was just gonna get the information out to everybody?

SPEAKER_06 7:10

No. Just completely forgot.

SPEAKER_04 7:13

Nice. Uh but we did bring his dog with us, so he could, you know, we were happy to move Dixie along. Oh, yeah, you couldn't.

SPEAKER_03 7:21

You talked about that on the show. He's like, We're gonna go.

SPEAKER_04 7:23

But she's been an absolute angel, hasn't she?

SPEAKER_06 7:25

Yeah, you always say Dixie was hell on earth when she lived with y'all, but Daisy it seems like is way worse. I saw what she did.

SPEAKER_04 7:32

Oh, yeah. She modified my flip-flops for me. I like that word like it. Some funny verbiage. Uh they definitely have a little more air to them now, you know. Yeah. Uh gave them to Ella, they're shortened a bit. But now, did you catch her red-handed? Oh, the the evidence was all over her face, all over the floor, all over the the whole house.

SPEAKER_03 7:51

I was gonna say, because if Dixie still lived there, you would be blaming her for 100%.

SPEAKER_06 7:56

She hasn't torn a single thing up. It's been great.

SPEAKER_03 7:59

Yeah, it's because she had all her fill at our house. Yeah. She's like, I'm bored with that now. I've chewed up ornaments. I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:06

Oh yeah. The Christmas tree that we left up for his, you know, we celebrated Christmas because he was away uh last week. Oh, that's super cool, actually. So he had an ornament tree. It was kind of a cool tree that we had uh put the uh word out on social media, said, hey, you know, send a uh uh ornament for my son. It's his first Christmas abroad, and uh so we decorated the tree with a lot of uh patriotic ornaments and stuff. So it's kind of neat now he can take that home with him and celebrate Christmas next year. Hopefully he'll be home next year. And if he's not, we'll do the same thing we did this year. So right.

SPEAKER_03 8:41

And uh well, I don't really want to talk about like unit specific things, but uh I would say what what was what was one thing when you were over there that like you really, really missed? I know when you first got there you couldn't even use your phone because of the Yeah, so um I'm a car guy, I love driving my cars.

SPEAKER_06 8:58

Yeah, and we were stuck using UTVs, which for anybody out there, a UTV is a side-by-side. And when you buy one as a in a for a civilian market, they're fantastic. When you get one for the military, they're a piece of garbage. So you would you would drive it around, it would break down, and you'd just be screwed. You'd have to walk everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 9:22

That's not good.

SPEAKER_06 9:23

So driving cars is definitely the best thing coming back.

SPEAKER_03 9:26

Yeah. How do you find how do you how do you find getting along with like seniors uh senior staff NCOs and senior enlisted and stuff?

SPEAKER_06 9:33

No, so I had a great relationship. I like to think I had a great relationship with my uh senior staff NCOs. Um I worked very closely with a few of them. Uh particularly uh I had a gunnery a gunnery sergeant and then a um a mass sergeant that I worked very closely with in the logistics section. And you know, I I I like to think I get very along uh very good along with them, but no issues with them. They are they they're very good with other jobs, they're very knowledgeable of what they can do. So I go to them whenever I need help and ask them to.

SPEAKER_03 10:05

So you don't have a bunch of know-it-all gunnies and no let me I've got this sir, I haven't been in longer.

SPEAKER_06 10:11

No, I haven't I haven't ever experienced that so far. I'm glad.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

Yeah, no, that's good because there are some arrogant uh military people that think that they are above yeah, like this guy over here. Like this freaking guy over here speaking of gunnies. Oh man. No, he well, and that's that's how you know he's putting the M on his favorite $37 million motor touch-up. That's good. Okay. I don't want to I don't want to talk about my thing yet. Unless now you got a thing, right? I'm getting a coaster. Okay. You get a coaster. Uh so what we were talking about. I've been talking about a story. I guess I will get into it. I'm gonna get into it. He's he's got some notes. I I had to keep notes because there's so much crap that happened in this story. And Roger, pay attention because you've probably heard about this. You hear the echoey, how I'm echoey and he's echoey. Yeah, I have heard it. You just pull yours a little bit closer, but mine's mine's echoey from the background.

SPEAKER_06 11:11

So I don't know better.

SPEAKER_03 11:12

Yeah, you can like every time I talk, you can pick up the background. Anyway, all right, so I gotta read this because it's it's just too much. I I just basically took a bunch of the news stories that are out there on this on this incident.

SPEAKER_05 11:24

Why do I feel like this is about to be some troll shit? But go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 11:28

And let me just start by saying this is not a joke. Okay. I promise it's not a joke.

SPEAKER_05 11:32

That's usually a part of a joke.

SPEAKER_03 11:33

Well, remember remember when I told the joke, the gangrene joke.

SPEAKER_05 11:36

I'm on high alert.

SPEAKER_03 11:37

This isn't that. Okay. All right. So, and it's not funny, it's it's a crazy, crazy story. So there's a doctor down in Florida who's now been indicted for second-degree manslaughter because during the surgery he removed a man's liver when he was supposed to remove his spleen. A guy 70 years old from Alabama, comes in with abdominal pain. They think it's a spleen issue, so they schedule a pretty standard procedure to take the spleen out. Nothing crazy. Surgery starts normal, laparoscopic, but then they switch to open surgery, still not unheard of. But sometime in there, this doctor looks over, looks at the liver and thinks it's the spleen and removes it. The patient dies on the table from massive blood loss. People in the room, trained professionals, are reportedly questioning what he's doing, like, hey, something's not right, and he just keeps going. Uh, afterward, he tells the family the spleen was abnormal, something along those lines. Uh, but then the autopsy comes back and the spleen is still in there. He did not remove the spleen, completely untouched, liver is gone.

SPEAKER_06 12:32

Yeah, it's abnormal because you removed his spleen. Right, exactly. All right.

SPEAKER_03 12:36

That's a pretty abnormal looking spleen to me. Uh so now you're thinking, okay, what a hor a horrible mistake. Except it's not his first time. Okay, so this same doctor has been sued before, twice. My God. There was another case uh where he removed the wrong organ. Uh I think it was the pancreas instead of the adrenal gland. Uh oh, I thought you heard about it. Isn't the liver and the spleen pretty far off too? They're on different sides of the body.

SPEAKER_04 13:03

This is a really bad pattern, dude. Dude.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

Okay, so so then uh and another patient who died back in 2023 after a botched surgical surgical error. So I know. Uh how does he get it, keep his license? He settled both those cases out of court. Of course. He's lost his license in three states. He's now you know indicted for manslaughter. Uh so now he's facing 15 years in prison. Thoughts.

SPEAKER_05 13:25

How do you even be how are you in the scenario to mess up a third time?

SPEAKER_04 13:30

They did say that this is something you should learn in your first year of residency.

SPEAKER_03 13:34

This is not uh Yeah, the medical examiner said that many times. Like any first-year medical student would know the difference between a liver and a spleen. Of course. And a psychiatrist. And and it's well, you were you were once a first-year med student, so that's what I'm saying. You know? But that's how does that happen, man?

SPEAKER_05 13:50

I mean my thoughts are um I just I I I don't really have words for it because you you would be able to see that it's not the spleen. You know what the liver looks like. It's like this faintly looks like something I know. Uh it's uh I think it's what's it called again?

SPEAKER_03 14:07

Well, when he cut open, he made an incision and then the the bowel started coming out.

SPEAKER_04 14:12

Yeah, but he nicked an artery.

SPEAKER_03 14:13

And he nicked something, and the guy started bleeding out. And instead of asking for clamps to clamp something, he was like using the stapler on it. That's what Dr. John was saying.

SPEAKER_02 14:22

Does it say arthroscopic?

SPEAKER_03 14:26

They no, they tried laparoscopic and then they changed it to open surgery. And it was just everything about it is just absolutely bonkers. Look it up if you don't believe me. It's a true it's like in the news. They were there was the whole team was like, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_04 14:41

You know, and he just failure team wide. I mean, somebody's gonna let this doctor know, hey, step in and move him out of the way. Exactly. I know this is he's uh you know the senior man in the room, but it doesn't matter. You're you're losing a life here because of his mistakes.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

And we're not medical professionals here, so like these are just our means I don't know. I mean, we have a doctor over there, medical doctor.

SPEAKER_05 15:04

My thing is you I would be like I would be interested to see the people's faces in the room that the doctor, they're probably like looking at each other like driving.

SPEAKER_03 15:14

That's what Frank told me when he first told me the story. He said two nurses passed out as soon as they saw it was the liver. And and he holds it up, he's like, I got it. Yeah, you got it out right.

SPEAKER_04 15:23

You got a lawsuit on your hands, is what you got. Where do you start that lawsuit? I mean, you start with the hospital, you start with the well the hospital's gonna be liable.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

How do you hire a guy with that kind of track record?

SPEAKER_05 15:34

I mean, it's that's my question. That's the real question.

SPEAKER_06 15:36

You shouldn't have to worry about it, it should be in prison for the first one.

SPEAKER_05 15:39

Right.

SPEAKER_03 15:40

There should have never been this opportunity to even have this snap too wrongful death and then a permanent, permanently injured.

SPEAKER_04 15:47

I mean, as a family, where do you start your focus on? I mean, obviously the the most important thing is there's a loss of life, but do you I would focus more on the prosecution of the doctor than the monetary? That'll come later, you know, but immediately I'd like to see satisfaction for his own.

SPEAKER_05 16:01

Well, yeah, the mic the money is gonna come, obviously. But it's like, dude, we first either have to A, like Evan said, get this dude behind bars immediately. You're not so he can't do it again.

SPEAKER_03 16:12

Well, he he got he was arrested. A grand jury indicted him, he was arrested, and then he posted $75,000 bail. So he's out.

SPEAKER_06 16:20

That's it for manslaughter?

SPEAKER_03 16:22

Second degree manslaughter. I look, man. When he was telling me this story, and I can't that's why I can't even like that's why I preface with this is not a joke.

SPEAKER_05 16:31

I'm like mind-blown right now, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 16:33

Yeah, I was like, uh guard dog. Yeah, I can't get up though. Penny, you can't just be on the podcast whenever you want. Oh, yeah, she can. She's like, watch this. Penny.

SPEAKER_04 16:49

Yeah, she's a brat. She's she's voicing her concern about the story we're talking about.

SPEAKER_05 16:53

She's like, this is some BS.

SPEAKER_04 16:55

BS, you made this up. Even I know the difference between liver, right?

SPEAKER_06 16:59

Isn't there a big size difference too? Yeah, it has to be.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

We're gonna get the doctor's opinion on this here. You don't need it. Yeah, I just couldn't. And then Ben shows me a picture with all of them labeled, and I'm like, bro, fucking operation has it in the right place.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

Like, you don't need to be a doctor.

SPEAKER_03 17:17

Yeah, yeah. I think we could have done that surgery better.

SPEAKER_04 17:22

I mean, there's gonna be a tailor right here. There's gonna be so many different safety set systems set in place for that, like set you know, set of guidelines.

SPEAKER_03 17:31

Anybody here can stop this if there's something unsafe going on. But then how do you override the doctor that's actually seeing everything in the world?

SPEAKER_05 17:37

That's also in real time, being like, I got this, don't worry.

SPEAKER_03 17:39

You have an ethical standard as a nurse, but something when you know it's gonna cause a life.

SPEAKER_06 17:44

Plus, aren't there more than one doctor in the room or you know it in every fifth grade class, biology class, a sign on the wall that shows you the different body parts? Literally everything, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:55

Yeah, just brush up on that before you go to the med school. Yeah. But how do you pass med school? You have to do a residency as a surgeon. You're working on cadavers. You're working on cadavers, you have to be able to point out organs. So how does three surgeries this guy's done with the wrong crap? Was he drinking? Oh, he's thinking he was drinking. That's the first thing I said was he was that he was drinking.

SPEAKER_05 18:19

If we if they I mean it's too late now, obviously, but at the time of it, if they took like a blood sample from this dude and it was like, all right, you've been drinking, then okay, now the that would almost just tie it in more and make sense. Then it'd be like, okay.

SPEAKER_03 18:31

Well, is that standard operating procedures after a a thing like that? Do you test? Yeah, so they might be asking the question why did you see that?

SPEAKER_05 18:43

They should they automatically shouldn't do it because they that's on him.

SPEAKER_03 18:48

He's saying they automatically should do it because that's on him, not them.

SPEAKER_05 18:50

Which is the covering their ass, essentially.

SPEAKER_04 18:53

Right, a hundred percent. I mean the liability is gonna be on him, not everybody else that was in the room.

SPEAKER_03 18:58

I mean not even I think there's gonna be people that that hey, why didn't you do this? Why didn't you say that? Why didn't you you know that our policy is this, you didn't do that, you know. Um, and now a person's dead.

SPEAKER_05 19:10

So well, there's gonna be a shitload of depositions, a lot of trial. I know, dude.

SPEAKER_03 19:15

I've watched suits.

SPEAKER_05 19:17

This is literally gonna be an episode of suits. It is what it is.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

Well, you know what it also should be is an episode of the pit. Like if they're gonna kill off a character doctor or something, then make that happen. They just do the wrong. Like your character's gone now. You'll see it. What do you do? Oh, shut it. Shut it. Don't talk. You see, I I just did that to myself. I brought up the pit, and I guess the season finale was uh third last night, and I didn't watch it because I think I was watching the boys. I can't remember if I was watching the boys or anything.

SPEAKER_05 19:45

The boys.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

And I've got like four shows right now, so I'm losing my place in certain ones of them. But yeah, I'll watch that tonight, the uh the end of it. But that's the kind of stuff that you think of when you uh watch the Nick, the just barbarian surgery. You know what I mean? Like they didn't know what they didn't know. So it's man.

SPEAKER_04 20:03

And with modern technology, man, that's just a failure of zero excuse. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's you know, if I'm sure the hospital has liability insurance, the doctor has liability insurance, I mean, or you know, or malpractice insurance and stuff, but there's gonna be a line of lawyers wanting to team up on this one.

SPEAKER_05 20:21

Oh, yeah, that's just shoe in.

SPEAKER_04 20:22

This is a no-brainer.

SPEAKER_06 20:23

Yeah, even with modern technology, at what point do you pull out Jet GBT and go, is this a spleen? Yeah. Right. You don't even have an excuse, bro.

SPEAKER_05 20:31

Like, come on now.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

True that's like Alexa, where's the spleen?

SPEAKER_04 20:36

And I'm sure some of his past cases, you know, obviously this is a a pattern, you know, of his failures.

SPEAKER_05 20:43

Dude, but like at that point, it's like once you've had though that on your record before this happened, it's like maybe you shouldn't get into like insurance sales or car sales or something.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

The very first one you should not be able to settle out of court when there's a death involved.

SPEAKER_05 21:00

Hell no. Now, I dude, so I don't know, this might be a hot take, but I'm judging the families on the first cases because why are you just taking a lump sum of money from a dude that basically killed one of your family members?

SPEAKER_03 21:11

It's like kind of different because you don't know their situation. That might have been their primary breadwinner, you know, and now they don't have a way to make any income. Understood. But we focus on this guy losing his license for good. Right. No, well, I would still want there to be uh he goes to jail, you know, and never never practices medicine.

unknown 21:28

Right.

SPEAKER_03 21:29

And that's it.

SPEAKER_04 21:29

What did you say, Ed? You know, I mean, there's uh, you know, let's focus on putting this guy in jail, you know, and uh worry about the monetary stuff later. Because that's always gonna be there. That's we don't need this guy to do this again. If he's getting his license, you know, in different states, there's gonna be an end to it, you know.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:46

He just goes from bounce from state to state to state. I mean, don't they look in his resume?

SPEAKER_03 21:50

Exactly. Don't doctors have some kind of fit rep type system where they have a record of anything that's gone wrong or something like that that follows them?

SPEAKER_04 21:58

Can't we catch a check the car factor?

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Yeah, exactly. Straight up. Alright, well, and the hospitals can be like, well, this was strike three, I guess. Like what the hell, dude?

SPEAKER_06 22:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

Put out like a bulletin.

SPEAKER_05 22:17

Yeah, you've got to be on like a no-fly list or something like at that point.

SPEAKER_03 22:21

Yeah. I like that hat. I just noticed that the bug's down the distillery hat. You like the shirt? Nice gear. Yeah, that's good. But yeah, that was crazy. I thought that was an awesome story to talk about. Um, not awesome. You know, it's never awesome when somebody dies because something crappy.

SPEAKER_04 22:37

But uh let's hope the you know, future you know, things down the road, we put more procedures in place for this doesn't happen again. One I mean, yeah, this has got to set a precedent almost. It's a tough learning experience, you know, for hospitals and totally avoid that.

SPEAKER_05 22:51

This is avoidable, dude.

SPEAKER_03 22:53

They're gonna be coming up with new processes. I mean, this this has got to add some kind of uh other safety net.

SPEAKER_04 22:59

There has to be checks and balances. Well, you know, yeah, this is procedures.

SPEAKER_03 23:03

Yeah. I mean, too bad we don't have any surgeons here we can talk to, but oh well.

SPEAKER_05 23:10

No, but that's Roger's just over here catching stray bullets for no can't even defend himself.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

Hey man, I put in the liver.

SPEAKER_05 23:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:18

Uh Roger also brought us some egg rolls. I guess that's different than taking one out. We can't be talking crap about it. A cadaver? No. Oh, you did a liver transplant? Oh wow. So Roger is smarter than that doctor. Good job.

SPEAKER_05 23:35

Confirmed.

SPEAKER_03 23:36

Confirmed. So are all of us, but I mean you're greater than Roger greater than that guy. The new Dr. Death.

SPEAKER_05 23:43

I'm not even trying to like keep rapping on this, but was there like what not one person in the room that's like a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a it gets better?

SPEAKER_03 23:51

It gets better. Afterwards, he still tried to convince people. He's he went in there and labeled it as a spleen. He went and told the family, it's it's a it's a it's an enlarged spleen. Then the chief medical officer comes over, or met C CMO? Yeah, yeah, the CMO comes over and looks at it and he's like, take it to pathology. Like, but everybody knows it's a liver. Like every take it out of the let's see the specimen. It's a freaking liver.

SPEAKER_05 24:16

But still, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 24:17

Bigger, different shape, different, different everything, different side side of the body. Then he was trying to say, no, no, no, that was it. So then, like I said in the thing, uh, the medical examiner determined, no, he didn't have some kind of aneurysm, because he tried to say there was no, it was an aneurysm during the uh or some kind of And that's why it was like blown up or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And uh and and then it was like, well, the autopsy proved that didn't happen. More he says that was a lie. Wow. You know? Yeah, dude. So it's either you you're just trying to kill somebody or you're on drugs.

SPEAKER_05 24:48

Right. There's gotta be a there should have been a toxicology ran on him 100% or whatever the term is for that, like a blood sample.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

Well, you know, at this point at this point it doesn't matter. If you killed a guy, you're gonna go to try whether you're already done a sound mind or not.

SPEAKER_05 25:05

Yeah. So even if it was an accident.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

Right. Even still. I'm guessing that's why it's a second degree manslaughter.

SPEAKER_05 25:14

I mean, because you can I guess what, he's got the ability to be like, well, it was an accident, and then you kinda and then you miss, and then and then you still free.

SPEAKER_03 25:28

Yeah, and then you gotta go to civil.

SPEAKER_05 25:37

So now you just we're just gonna pay these folks. Which is psycho to think about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:45

I don't know, bro. I don't like going to the hospital as it is, but now I was saying I was like, stories like that.

SPEAKER_03 25:50

You're like, no. New fear unlocked.

SPEAKER_05 25:53

That's like, dude, my hand hurts, and they're like, all right, we'll fix that up, and then they cut your foot off.

SPEAKER_03 25:57

That's what he was doing, though, man.

SPEAKER_05 25:58

He removed literally that.

SPEAKER_03 26:01

Yeah. It's like it's exactly the joke I told about the lady who had gangrene in her leg. They removed the wrong one and then they removed the other one. Why didn't she sue? Because she didn't have a leg to stand on. Dude, that is that's just a joke. That's just a joke. This is exactly that. That's sad.

SPEAKER_05 26:16

You know what I mean? I feel sorry for that family. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 26:18

And the victim. And really, that that's it, it we don't mean to be laughing about this because it's somebody's family. You know, the guy was 70 years old, but still he's, you know, somebody's dad, husband, you know, brother.

SPEAKER_05 26:30

Which I would assume is kind of a routine procedure on some level.

SPEAKER_03 26:34

Spleenectomy.

unknown 26:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:36

Some level? Well done. You're talking about a surgeon routine process. Everybody knows routine. I'm just saying though, if that's your ball field, like if you're a surgeon, you're in the business of doing that.

SPEAKER_03 26:47

Yeah. And John's a surgeon. And so John, somebody sent his uh his daughter sent him uh all the all the court, like the interviews, whatever it was. And the nurses were interviewed and they were like, and we said this, and he just kept going. And then we were like, what's gonna be? And he just kept going. And it's like we were wondering what the hell was going on. It all felt weird, everything felt weird.

SPEAKER_05 27:05

That's what's gonna hurt him in court then, because they've all just got to be.

SPEAKER_04 27:18

He was covering up trying to say, Oh no, that is the spleen.

SPEAKER_05 27:21

Yeah, well, it's like you know how like people that are like uh pathological liars or whatever, like they start to believe their own lie. It's like that scenario where he's like, it is the spleen, but deep down he probably did know that he messed up, and he's like, No, it's the spleen, because now you have to stand on it and go to jail.

SPEAKER_03 27:37

Right. You're not turning that thing into a spleen, right? Right. It's like, dude.

SPEAKER_05 27:42

So he was probably trying to just make himself believe, like, I that that is it.

SPEAKER_03 27:46

And I forgot to say, did I say this guy was on vacation, he didn't even live there. Oh my god. He was from Alabama or something. Oh my god. And he he went in having this these pains, and the guy told him has spleen acting, and he's like, uh, let me just go home and go to my doctor. Two days later, he's just can't stand the pain, comes back in to have the pro he was like, Alright, I'll do it.

SPEAKER_04 28:04

Yeah, but he wasn't sick. He didn't even need the surgery.

SPEAKER_03 28:06

And then and then the autopsy showed that he didn't need the it wasn't the necessary surgery. It was slightly enlarged, his spleen was slightly enlarged, but apparently he could have you know medication and then send him to his own doctor to see follow-up or whatever. So you're on vacation, probably him, him and his wife, and his wife, the doctor's wife, is a nurse. And she said that's not it. So everything about this so everything was wrong then.

SPEAKER_04 28:36

They're definitely gonna look at it, you know, with the fact that in 2023 he had an issue where he did this same thing. And then 2024 again. Right. I mean, it's like this dude's got blood on his head. Yeah, he's got a past history of just absolute screw ups.

SPEAKER_03 28:49

So now I I wrote down Dr. Death. That's the only thing I could think for my notes, right? But remember who Dr. Death really was, right? Dr. Gaborkian. Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:59

Oh, is that the assisted suicide or whatever? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we can't beep.

SPEAKER_03 29:02

Yeah, beep. Yeah, let's beep that out. Um button. What do we think about that? He was helping people who were, and I'm not on any side on this one. He was helping. I remember at the time being like, wow, what a what a weird. Why would you become a doctor and then help kill people? Assisted unaliving. But it's an assisted unaliving, right? And so you've got these older people who are in pain and all this stuff, and they just want to be go out easy, whatever. And so that's what he was doing. This guy, gross negligence on three separate occasions. Yeah, this guy's ready to be dead. If allowed to keep going, he's just gonna get dead bodies all in his path. Stack them. So, in your opinion, who's worse?

SPEAKER_05 29:42

I think it's pretty night and day. Yeah, this guy wanted to stay. He was there to stay alive. It's not like Kavorkian was unaliving people that didn't want to be unalive. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 29:52

Right. So I think the Dr. Death thing needs to go to his this guy.

SPEAKER_04 29:56

They were there on their own free will with Dr. They wanted him to do that.

SPEAKER_03 30:02

I still don't agree with it as a you know a Christian, but sure, but like I could see it through that lens. That is different. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:09

I could see through that lens of like, hey, it's like here's what I think about when I think about that. I'm 82 years old, I'm terminal with something, and before I get to where I lose all of my devices, I can choose, and I've lived a good life already.

SPEAKER_03 30:31

I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_05 30:32

I'm just saying through that lens, I could see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not like some like uh 22-year-old person that's like, Yeah, my girlfriend just taught me, bro.

SPEAKER_03 30:43

My mom won't my dad won't call me they them. Too soon?

SPEAKER_02 30:53

Too soon. Is that it? Is that the one?

SPEAKER_03 30:56

Yeah, yeah. Oh man. Oh my god. Yeah. Got 'em. See, look, look. Did you see this? Yeah, that's nice. So you can't see the board, but there's a monitor on this thing. It's it's called a Rodcaster Pro 2. If you ever look it up, there's a monitor on it. And all the all the pads here have their their title right here. And it's and it's about an ant road in it.

SPEAKER_05 31:22

It's like an ant.

SPEAKER_03 31:22

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is that? A school for ants? Uh and so we can't. There's new plus now the sun's on it, so there's just no scene. So we put it on here. I made it bigger. I didn't want to do it slow so they see what the buttons are. We're old Psyche 72 font. Yeah, that's yeah. I mean, that's why we did it. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 31:42

Yeah, so in summary, dude, bump that doctor, man. Yeah, let's put him in jail.

SPEAKER_03 31:47

Oh, he's dude. He gone. There ain't no way he's coming back from this. He gone. No way. Now, what sucks is I think he's what state is this? Florida. Florida. I think he gets up to 15 years.

SPEAKER_04 31:59

So he'll do two in two to three years out in good behavior. You know, but let's make sure he never practices kill two people again to walk on the streets.

SPEAKER_05 32:09

Yep. I mean, my thing my thing is is the third victim's family. Can I say that word? What's that? Pillancy of that. Minus the K?

SPEAKER_03 32:22

What's so many stupid weird rules, man? I don't know. I think we have free speech or we haven't gotten flagged yet, so. Either we have free speech or we don't.

SPEAKER_05 32:31

Do we or don't we? If I'm the victim, the third victim's family, I you're gonna be mad, the first victim's family as well, too, Doug, because that's well, they're gonna be it's just a big thing.

SPEAKER_03 32:42

Why did he get to this point? Imagine them finding this out.

SPEAKER_04 32:45

Right, because it just you know brings their their issue back to life. Oh my god, this guy's done it again.

SPEAKER_05 32:51

He's still just driving around in his BMW. I'm sure he's making good, you know, it's still living. Where am I gonna work next? You know? Yep. Who's next on my list? That's terrible. But it's like, dude.

SPEAKER_04 33:01

He's putting his resumes out at states he can still practice in. Right. No, he should be in jail making license plates, like you said earlier.

SPEAKER_05 33:08

Did you guys uh see like the good doctor or whatever? Yes. That's crazy, too. I did see that, yeah. I did see that.

SPEAKER_03 33:16

I saw like a season of it or something.

SPEAKER_05 33:18

And you talk about like the checks and balances about doctors and stuff. It's like that person was just flying under the radar like it was cool.

SPEAKER_03 33:26

They were just letting him just sling blades, just Dr. Scissor hands just going in there with fucking hiriho cutting.

SPEAKER_04 33:33

Right. I can understand, you know, you're having surgery and somebody passes away while you're doing the surgery because there are problems. Right, of course. Things happen. I mean, it's not an exact science.

SPEAKER_03 33:42

And that's the only reason we're hounding this so much. It's it's the wrong organ on the wrong side, the wrong side. And then you try to cover it up, right? Which makes it even worse. Yeah. And you don't know to use clamps.

SPEAKER_04 33:53

That just screams gross negligence right there.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

I mean, again, we're not medical professionals. We couldn't have done the right thing either. But that's your job, man. But I didn't go to school for nine years or eight years or whatever. Just like I'll criticize, you know, uh somebody, an architect that screwed up a building. It's like, ah, what the f is that? I'm not an architect, but it's like watching football on Sunday.

SPEAKER_05 34:16

It's like, you couldn't catch that.

SPEAKER_03 34:18

It's a little different because we all think we could have done it. Armchair quarterbacking. Straight up. I like those uh videos where it's like some athlete will you know do this awesome thing, but then like trip and fall, and then it goes back to a fat guy on the couch with chips on his shirt. Uh you couldn't catch that. It'd be like that though. I could catch that. Come on. Exactly. Sub me in. Alright, that one was mine. Your turn.

SPEAKER_05 34:45

Oh, mine is way dumbed down than that. I kind of want to get another drink. Do we have a transitionary comp topic we can talk about for like? Yes, I can.

SPEAKER_03 34:54

I do have another one that I've been wanting to talk about. It's just stupid. Or I can rant about one thing real quick. Do the thing. The the ranting.

SPEAKER_05 35:01

Uh yeah, I will do that. Yours.

unknown 35:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

Please. Okay, so I get off. Well, a couple weeks ago, a few weeks ago, we had an episode where we talked about the VA and we said how the VA is not very, I mean, they get a bad rap, you know, they're good. They're we didn't get flamed on that. People were agreeing. We did a little bit. Some people were like, no, the VA sucks. Da-da-da. And I'm like, okay, everybody's gonna have a different experience. I appreciate the comment, but like, back off, dude. Just because you had a bad experience doesn't mean everyone else does. Maybe it's your attitude. Anyway. So whole nother topic. So I I get a call uh three days ago that you know they're gonna make me some appointments. And I was like, but I I missed the call, so I called him right back. She didn't answer. I had her extension, I left a message. Next day, called her, left a message. Next day, called her, mailbox full. Three days straight, I'm trying to call her. So then I call just the VA, the first number without the extension. And I get with somebody and they're like, oh, that's this department. So they switched me over to that department. Each and every time I get on the phone, as I'm trying to explain what's going on, they cut me off to ask me questions and just keep cutting me off, keep cutting me off. And I'm like, Had I had you just let me finish, all that information was coming out of my mouth. All of it was coming out of my mouth. Like, and I'm talking because I'm sick of being on hold. I'm sick of being so then she puts me on hold for one exact hour. Wow. One whole entire hour. Then was the music cool at least? No, it's it's the worst. I wanted I wanted to throw my phone across the street. I hate it. It's worse than elevator music. Oh, it's it's so bad. And they do it, I think they do it on purpose, man. Of course they do. Oh, they do it on purpose. But at least you know a new feature of the iPhone, you can put your own, you can hold it. Yeah, well, I didn't know it's gonna be a freaking hour, dude. So then so then I get on. That attitude causation, and yeah, that's what caused my attitude. So then she gets on the phone and it's like, oh, you're not in our system. This is the Durham line. I was like, that's not the line I called. She's like, yeah, but they've been messing that up and switching them to us and all this stuff.

SPEAKER_04 37:00

Well, that's not my problem.

SPEAKER_03 37:02

Okay, so my problem? I've been calling for three days. I sat on hold for an hour. I I'm not gonna do this every single day. You've done your part, she's clearly not gonna call me back. I gotta stop you real quick. She did stop me. She's like, I'm trying to give you the the and she was rude as shit. I'm trying to give you the number to the to the VA. All right, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 37:23

They're like, this guy's being a douchebag. You want to go get a piece of pizza? Well, I'll make the phone back up and we get back.

SPEAKER_03 37:29

Except I wasn't being a douchebag. Nothing had happened wrong on the first one.

SPEAKER_04 37:35

Let's put them on hold. I got a spleen account.

SPEAKER_03 37:38

But it was after the hour that I that I was like, okay, so you're telling me this, this, this, and this, and and and it's the wrong system. Well, I'm trying to tell you, sir, that I'm gonna give you the number. And I was like, don't bother. I'm not calling back again. This is clearly how the system works. And it's and it's this way for a reason, I guess. I said, You were rude on the phone the entire time you're on the phone. So was the last person, but I didn't say anything. And I said something now because I was on the phone for an hour. Right now I'm just you don't have to be rude to the fucking people to call in, you know what I mean? I'm not calling for because I want to. You you you I'm returning a fucking call. Right. So I said, I'm not doing it again. They'll get a hold of me if they want to. I'm not calling back. Sorry. So fucking mad. Oh my see now I'm I'm re-mad. He's re-madd. I'm re-mad.

SPEAKER_05 38:15

And now I gotta get my sunglasses because it is kind of annoying though, like when someone is doing that on the phone. Because nobody likes to call these medical facilities. It's always, you know, it's always a runaround, it's always some BS. I mean, it it's it's it's a necessary evil. So shout out to the people that do the clerical work. Let me get that out of the way. But it's like, like you said, if you would just let me tell you what I'm about to tell you, I'm I might answer six of the questions that you're about to ask me.

SPEAKER_03 38:40

It's not that I think that the whole VA is that way. No, that's right. But there are, but there are a lot of people who have very, very shitty customer services.

SPEAKER_05 38:47

Right.

SPEAKER_03 38:48

But the guy that when I checked, when I was at the physical VA in Jacksonville and I was checking out, that was the coolest guy I've ever met at any VA. He was just so cool, just friendly as can be, made sure I knew everywhere to go and all everything to do. Just 100% no attitude at all. You guys didn't hear that, did you? I did. I did. You heard my glasses? Yes. I was like, Pattery 100%. Thanks. Thanks, Meta. Uh anyway. So that's my rant. Well, yes, I still like my doctor's great uh for teledoctoring, whatever. But it's it gets the job done. I just those people on the phone, man. Ooh, they think you know what really burns my. And I don't really have feelings, that's fine. But don't cut me off while I'm fucking talking. When I'm trying to tell you what's going on, right, because this other person kept asking the same questions that that don't need to be asked. Just listen to this. You know my name, you know my social. Now just listen. Just shut the fuck up and listen. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 39:52

Well, it's like like you said, I mean, it could be somebody not like you, it could be somebody calling it with something very, very sensitive, and they're trying to explain it to you, and they keep cutting the person off, and it's like, dude, I don't really even want to be talking about this to begin with. I'm just trying to get it out of my system. How are they looking?

SPEAKER_03 40:08

Because I feel like I look like the surface of the sun, and okay.

SPEAKER_05 40:12

It looks like the episode with Jody, it just looks fine. If you could just remember what that looks like, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 40:19

No, I can, but like this is the time of day when it's right on me and it's gonna be this way for the rest of the show. Yeah. Which is fine. I just gotta go get one of the things.

SPEAKER_05 40:25

You look like you're solar charged.

SPEAKER_03 40:27

I know.

SPEAKER_05 40:28

I'll BRB, BRB. Oh, good. It's like I went to a named fast food joint the other day. I'm not even gonna bash the establishment, but I go through the drive-thru. Welcome to Blank. How can I help you today? And I said, Thank you. I was like, How you doing today? Like, they didn't really say anything back, and they're like, Well, welcome to blah blah blah. What can I get for you? And I said, How are you doing today? Like, there's no one behind me. I'm not holding the lineup, I'm just being nice. Right. And they acted like that I was just being annoying. I was like, I'm sorry, I didn't make you work here. I didn't whatever you got going on, I'm sorry. At least just be fake nice. Right. All I did was ask how your day is going. I didn't say like I hope that you freaking get a flat tire on the way home or something like that.

SPEAKER_06 41:12

It's not like you have to get invested in the conversation you're just seeing how you're doing. It's just a pleasant thing.

SPEAKER_05 41:17

What did they say to you? So I went through the drive-thru at somewhere and I they welcome to blah blah blah. How can I help you today? And I said, Hey, good afternoon, how you doing today? And they said, Welcome to blah blah blah. What can I get for you? Like order, like I don't want to talk to you. Like, cool, man. Let me ask how your manager's doing. Maybe he maybe he wants to talk.

SPEAKER_00 41:38

The funniest thing he's ever said.

SPEAKER_05 41:40

Oh, come on. He's got validation from the comic. You know it's funny.

SPEAKER_03 41:48

I hate bad customer service is my worst, it's the worst.

SPEAKER_05 41:51

I can this is gonna be a weird little take here. I can take bad customer service later on in the day, as weird as that might sound. But like if you're working the breakfast shift somewhere and you're just mad at the world, you and you're gonna send people out of whatever establishment it is with bad vibes, then you should just go to hell.

SPEAKER_03 42:10

Yeah, yeah, bye. Starbucks or Easter's morning. Yeah, and there are there are customers like that uh that that just think I'm gonna they just treat people how because that person has to be nice to me. Like say customers are shitty. Yeah, they don't make it any easier. Right, right, right. But employees have the obligation to you know have good customer service, have some kind of emotional intelligence.

SPEAKER_05 42:33

Or just don't be working somewhere where you have to be client-facing, go work in the kitchen. Right.

SPEAKER_04 42:36

If you can't do customer service, you're in the wrong business.

SPEAKER_05 42:39

Right. And say instead of working at the cash register, hey, can I go back in the back and cook? I'll be way happier. I you can be pissed off back there. You ain't gotta talk to nobody. You can spit in their burgers, nobody will know.

SPEAKER_02 42:52

They might know, but they won't, they can't prove it.

SPEAKER_04 42:56

Nope, nope, can't prove it.

SPEAKER_02 42:59

So I was like, what are you please?

SPEAKER_03 43:01

Yeah, there's a duck over in the bushes that's laying eggs, and uh Penny discovered that, so she almost ripped Roger's arm off.

SPEAKER_05 43:07

She's like, I just want to go over there and check it out.

SPEAKER_03 43:09

Wink wink. I like eggs. Yeah, customer service sucks, man. Was that your thing? That wasn't your thing, though.

SPEAKER_05 43:16

No, no, and my thing that was just a tangent off of the VA thing because the customer service thing is a whole another It's definitely a lost art. Customer service is absolutely and I I agree with writing a book about it.

SPEAKER_04 43:29

This, you know, when when you go to a uh an establishment and you get good because customer service, I almost feel like sometimes it gets you like all it's out of the norm.

SPEAKER_03 43:37

It's not the norm.

SPEAKER_04 43:38

You're like, wow.

SPEAKER_03 43:40

I I got treated like a normal person. Now, and I know we're we're gonna get blasted because there's gonna be servers and and things like that out there that are excellent at their job and they're gonna think, oh, you mean all the No, clearly, clearly, we're saying customer service sucks across the board. That doesn't mean every single employee sucks across the board. Right. No, it's just that the good ones are getting fewer and further between.

SPEAKER_04 44:01

But we're just emphasizing when you get good service, you're you know, how much reaching it is.

SPEAKER_03 44:06

And then the next time is you don't know what we go through. I get it. I get it. Then don't do that job if you can't also perform the job to its fullest, which is also having good customer service. I get that you're getting talked down to by customers all day long and your boss probably sucks, and every the hours suck and you don't make enough money. But you know, then then if you can't balance that and have good customer service, then bye. Fake it to your man. Like that girl on waiting, you know, where she's she's like, hi, how you doing? But she's back in the back.

SPEAKER_05 44:39

Exactly. You know, she's like customers. If you gotta go back in the back and go kick a cardboard box, so be it. But just come back up and be like, is everything okay? Like, you know, it's really, I don't know, it's not hard, but at the same time, you don't know what people are going through, but that's not even an excuse. So it's like, bro, because we all got something going on. Right, absolutely. Everyone's got something going on because you know, being upset is subjective. You know what I mean? Something that makes me mad might not make you mad, and vice versa, and blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_03 45:07

Yeah, but as a as an employee, it's your duty to mask that and turn that off. Hide that, turn it off. You know, the again emotional intelligence goes both ways. You need to understand how you are reacting to things, and you need to understand how the customers are reacting to things, and then adjust accordingly.

SPEAKER_05 45:23

Well, I don't know, maybe my emotional awareness is uh a little high.

SPEAKER_04 45:27

But that definitely goes both ways, though, is customer service. I mean, there's so many people out there that feel like they come in wanting a fight.

SPEAKER_06 45:35

They're like Exactly. I don't like you.

SPEAKER_05 45:38

Yeah. Agreed. And you get the ones who lease pointed, the people don't make it any easier.

SPEAKER_03 45:43

Not at all. No. They already have an attitude, no matter what they're coming at you with. Now someone's got to pay for it. Yeah. A lot of people just want to get free stuff too, you know. Which is even more psychic. They just want to go and get free stuff. There's those people that go out and try to sue for nothing. And we had a guy when I was up there. Or no, was it a guy or a girl? We can't ask. We get it from time to time, but but a customer had uh was looking around to see if anybody was watching, and then like tripped. See, that's crazy. It's like we got a camera.

SPEAKER_04 46:17

The woman slipped and fell, and the very first thing out of her mouth was who's your insurance company? Oh my god. Before she even got up. I mean, thank God we had cameras that kind of helped us with the liabilities. Yeah. But you know, I mean, it's just people are out looking for the uh repeat.

SPEAKER_03 46:34

Those people, are they as bad as scammers? Yes, yes, beyond. Uh beyond. Well, some people would say that they're only stealing from businesses which can afford it, whereas scammers target the individual.

SPEAKER_06 46:45

Well, you notice they only do it in the small businesses. They aren't going to Walmart and tripping on the floor because they know they can't run that.

SPEAKER_05 46:52

Walmart will fight it. They that's their motto. They'll draw it out so long that you can't even afford to fit. Right. They can they can sustain. Like, we can do this for three years if you want to.

SPEAKER_03 47:04

And do you still want and do you still want to have your business after this? Because we'll just make it go away. Right. Well, you didn't see the documentary on Walmart. They move into these small towns and all these small businesses go down. I could tell you. They were paying their uh their people so low. And and I've talked to a couple people that work there, and it's like they keep my hours down so I can't be full-time, so I can get benefits and stuff. They didn't become a giant corporation for not doing that. No, no, they know what they're doing.

SPEAKER_04 47:34

They have teams of lawyers and all about the money.

SPEAKER_05 47:37

Specialists. Someone's literal job is that. It's all about the money. How can we minimize this cost? How can we minimize that cost? What can we cut? What can we do? Where can we save?

SPEAKER_03 47:47

Where can I get more millions and my employees make less than so that they don't have a lot of people?

SPEAKER_04 47:51

You know, the difference between a small business and a big business is where the money comes directly to us. Big businesses are trying to, you know, help out their you know, their investors. Investors, their shell companies, stakeholders.

SPEAKER_06 48:04

Everything goes back to the stakeholders.

SPEAKER_04 48:05

Yep. Yeah. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 48:07

Right. Sitting people sitting in a boardroom.

SPEAKER_04 48:08

Yep, and that's making decisions from a boardroom that have never been in the girl, you know, in the Walmart.

SPEAKER_05 48:13

They're like, I shop at Kroger.

SPEAKER_03 48:15

Like it's kind of sad, bro. Make me nervous because there's ducks out there.

SPEAKER_05 48:22

Mo money, mo problems. As they say.

SPEAKER_03 48:24

Mo profit. That's right. Yeah. It's all about the profit. Mo money. Okay. Did you talk about your thing? No, no, no. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 48:32

It's just it's like it's a heated debate. I don't think it'd be heated.

SPEAKER_03 48:37

The thing you text me earlier? Yeah. Okay. It's uh we'll let them answer first.

SPEAKER_05 48:41

Good question for the room. Is it nasty to wash your body with a bar of soap without a rag or a loofah? No. No. If it's your bar of soap. If it's your bar of soap. Right. Is it effective in cleaning your body without a rag or a loofah?

SPEAKER_03 49:00

Well, do you use a rag and a loofah when you wash your hands? Nope. So I think that's your answer. Oh Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_05 49:11

Oh my god. You nobody know how many times I've seen those and been like, should I get that?

SPEAKER_00 49:16

I just put the bar soap in there?

SPEAKER_03 49:18

How nasty is that glove? I do have a glove like that. Uh no, two of them. I have two of them.

SPEAKER_05 49:24

Then how nasty is it really?

SPEAKER_03 49:26

Because you try to kill all your dead skin and stuff. Right. I rinse the hell out of them afterwards.

SPEAKER_00 49:31

No, I always think the bar of soap out.

unknown 49:33

It's just rubbing.

SPEAKER_03 49:35

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:36

So are you a loofah scrubber or a bar scrubber? So I just switched to Dr. Bronner's bar soap, and I don't have a loofah, so I've just been holding the soap in my hands, getting it lathered up. Just, you know, just and then I've seen online people are like, that's you're not washing yourself if you do that. And I'm like, how not? How not? How am I not? It's not like I'm putting like the soap bar in between my ass. Like it's not that nasty. Like, cause Nicola has her own soap, obviously. You know, the females, they got their own hit downs. I'm just I'm a bar of soap and two pressure. I just want my Irish spring.

SPEAKER_03 50:16

I use Irish Spring uh the bars when I'm at the gym, but I use the uh uh the the loop, what's it called?

SPEAKER_05 50:22

I wasn't gonna demo that on camera, but loofah?

SPEAKER_03 50:25

Loofah. Yeah, I use that thing. You don't use the regular rope at the gym. I use bar soap at the gym. I use the loofah and that shit at home.

SPEAKER_04 50:37

I'm not using that shit at the gym. But there's two types of showers too. Is it a rinse-off shower that you know you just quickly, or is it a you know, I'm really nasty. I worked all day long through the shower. Exactly. There are just levels.

SPEAKER_06 50:48

Well, I'm also I use Dr. Squaunch and they got like exfoliating things in the soap. So you can it'll scrub off. Right.

SPEAKER_05 50:55

There's texture to the soap.

SPEAKER_03 50:57

I've used that, the bar. Have you ever tried the shampoo and conditioner? I have not. Not a fan. I don't like the way it's.

SPEAKER_05 51:03

See, I think like when brands like that try to extend themselves to products like we're making money.

SPEAKER_03 51:09

They were like, We're making money, let's make more.

SPEAKER_04 51:11

I always say, if you've got a good thing, stick with what you're good at. Yeah, just keep making money. Companies always seem to fail when they broaden out too much.

SPEAKER_03 51:17

Stick to your core conference.

SPEAKER_04 51:18

Yep. Trying to get more money. More money.

SPEAKER_05 51:21

But you could just make more money if you just sell the bars of soap instead of making a bunch of mid-tier other products that people might use one time and be like, well, I don't really like the Dr. Squatch thing anymore because they I use the lotion. I bought the lotion one time because let's call a spade a spade. It smells amazing. I really only bought it because it smells good.

SPEAKER_04 51:39

But it made my companies have failed when they've gotten too big or for their britches, you know, and they just stuck with what they were good at.

SPEAKER_05 51:45

Yeah. Manscaped hasn't done any of that. They're like, bro, we just make shit to trim your balls with. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 51:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:53

We're not trying anything else. We're not making razors, we're not making any of that. We're making a clipper for your pubic region, and that's it. We're not doing anything else. That's all we're doing. I respect it. I respect that. I respect it. Respect. They're not gonna come out with a line of toothbrushes or anything like that. It just sounds like you're saying a guzzword. Uh anyway. But yeah, the thing is, is like I've heard people be like, it's disgusting to not use a rag and just use the soap. Like they're like, you're not washing yourself is essentially the argument I've heard. And I just feel like that is I feel like that is an asinine argument to make because it's literally soap on me. It's personal preference. Right.

SPEAKER_06 52:37

Well, I'm also looking at it this way when you're using a rag or something, are you cleaning the rag after you use it? Like a soap, you just one layer of the soap and it's gone. It's clean. The rag, if you just leave it in your shower, it gets nasty.

SPEAKER_05 52:49

Even if it's only for like three days, it's still nasty.

SPEAKER_06 52:51

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:52

Yeah, somebody was like, Well, I changed the rag every week. I'm like, so you seven days. Seven days? Seven days, bro. It's like you're applying bacteria to yourself. Right. You just make it worse. Yeah, dude. So I don't know. Yuck.

SPEAKER_03 53:07

Now that's gross. I don't know, man. Who knows? Who cares? No, that's that's a good one. We want to hear my other one.

SPEAKER_05 53:15

Well, before I'm gonna have an ending comment, the ending statement is at least I'm in the damn shower. Because some people don't do that. Yeah, some folks don't do that. So I'm already winning.

SPEAKER_06 53:26

And there's a lot of people who don't take showers.

SPEAKER_05 53:28

That's a lot of people that don't take showers, and a lot of people that don't brush their teeth, too. Body odor or fart smell.

SPEAKER_04 53:34

Body odor. Body odor. Body odor. Because farts go away. Yeah. Body odor just lingers.

SPEAKER_05 53:40

It's just there. And it's a staunch, like it's a very pungent. Smell it now. Sting. You could almost taste it. Well, you know the smell of like whenever you leave your clothes before you move them from the washer to the dryer for too long? Like if you forgot that little mildewy smell. And it's like, I don't understand. And this is gonna sound very judgmental, and I really don't want it to, but how does one not smell that and have to just assess it immediately? Yeah, no, I rewash it.

SPEAKER_04 54:09

I rewash it. You have to. Yeah. You have to. But be aware of your surroundings when you see people walking away from you.

SPEAKER_05 54:17

Yeah, there might be something going on.

SPEAKER_04 54:19

There's a cloud of dust around you. Why does nobody want to talk to me face to face? They keep squinting every time I talk. Why is he texting me from across the room?

SPEAKER_06 54:30

But then you have like people that are like, I have natural musk. Like, what does that mean? Like I don't like it. I'm just gonna tell you that.

SPEAKER_05 54:38

Maybe you need to naturally shower more often. I swear, dude. I've like I got a few brands you could try that just are different than that.

SPEAKER_03 54:45

Well, that was a gross one. I didn't think we were gonna get that gross with just a bar of soap thing.

SPEAKER_05 54:50

Well, I mean, I don't know, bro. Some people you could say a bar of soap and they'd be like, what the hell is that? Yeah. Which is I hope not. Disgusting. It gets worse. So final statement is it gets a lot worse than using a bar of soap on your body with no rag. I'm just saying. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It gets a lot worse than that.

SPEAKER_03 55:11

Yeah, there's worse things. You know, back in the day, back in yeah, I think it was a Wednesday. Uh no, back in the old days, they used to uh they they that's where the the don't throw the baby out with the bath water. They'd have one tub of water for and then they'd everybody in the family would take it, and then the baby was last, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 55:29

That's where being the youngest really. I get the brown water. Yeah, you can't catch up either. It's like you're always gonna be in last, right?

SPEAKER_03 55:37

Yeah, so like in like France and and all the well, that's why weddings had to be a certain time of year because it would have to be after their annual bath because they don't take like annual.

SPEAKER_04 55:47

That's where the French made those fragrances to cover up the pot water.

SPEAKER_03 55:50

Well, hell, during the uh back in the day before they had modern plumbing, uh they had to, they would, they would fragrance everything up, the candles, everything they just try to overpower the the smell in the cities. People were shitting in the corners of castle, like just shitting them like there was nowhere to shit. And there was nowhere to put the shit once you shit. You see what I'm saying? I do. And so this is a recent time suck episode I listened to.

SPEAKER_06 56:16

Well, even if you go to like England, all these old like bars, if you look around there, they have piss guards where people would go and pee on the side of the wall. So everything just smelt like crap.

SPEAKER_03 56:25

Everything, yeah. And that was everywhere because we didn't know what to do with human shit. And then they started throwing it in the river, then they started getting sick because they're drinking the water that's coming, you know. It took them years to figure out like how to trickle-down effect. That's gnarly, dude. How to plum. Yes, gnarly and disgusting. Nicey.

SPEAKER_04 56:43

Wow, we definitely on a bunch of topics that are like kind of bringing the mood down. Can we go back to your wedding? Are you gonna use a loofo before your wedding? Right. I might have to.

SPEAKER_03 56:54

It's a special occasion. Allow me to bring it down a little bit more. Okay, here we go. Fashion trends you hate. I'll go first. The broccoli hair. You know those kids nowadays it's the same age kids. They have the broccoli hair and it's like swooping all over their shit, and it's just squatted trucks. I was gonna say that's not a fashion trend, but yeah. It's a fashion trend. Those same people drive squatted trucks. Yes. Um, I gotta think. Fake eyelashes. Like way too big fake eyelashes.

SPEAKER_06 57:24

They've been kind of going away lately, though.

SPEAKER_03 57:27

Overdone Botox?

SPEAKER_06 57:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 57:29

That's brutal. Overdone nails. Overdone boots. Overdone nails.

SPEAKER_04 57:32

You ever been to the checkout when the cashiers got those big nails and she can't hit the screen because they're so big? I'm like, how do you operate?

SPEAKER_03 57:39

Well, but you remember Starlight from the boys? How she used to look, and then after all the Botox and stuff? Terrible, man. It's like too much, dude. You look like a disgracefully. He looks like a Tim Burton character now.

SPEAKER_05 57:52

Like you look like you're AI.

SPEAKER_03 57:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 57:55

Look uncanny, like you're not human.

SPEAKER_03 57:57

Right. Uh let's see. What about the mullets? They got these you uh, this is your age, people. The mullets with a stupid looking mustache, like it's the 80s.

SPEAKER_05 58:08

It's because Morgan Wallen made that popular.

SPEAKER_03 58:11

Yeah, and it's like the dumbest looking thing. Still on everybody, in my in my opinion.

SPEAKER_05 58:15

We're all I think that certain people can pull it off, and certain people could just leave it. I'll say it like that. It very stupid depends on the person. It does. Either it works or it doesn't. Some people look great. Like who? And then you also have to like be honest with yourself to look in the mirror and be like, yeah, this kind of is not it for me. You know.

SPEAKER_04 58:33

People are not dressing to their age. You remember, you remember back to know your age and knows.

SPEAKER_03 58:41

Well, they say a lot of these trends, like the you know, as soon as the 30s and 40s start buying certain fat you know, fashion clothes. Oh, it's over. Then the 20s are like, we're done with that. So that's why I think we need to do all these stupid, like skibbity and glizzy and and actually be done. So it can just go away. I think they're gonna be able to do it. My kids, my kids used to do that. They god, it's the whole show, it's been echoey. Just like I this sounds like crap. But uh, is there anything in post you can do? I'll try, but no. I don't know why mine's not.

SPEAKER_05 59:11

It doesn't sound like you're crazy, bro. I'm listening to it.

SPEAKER_03 59:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um we're in a damn carport. That's true. We're not in some studio with uh sound proofing up. One of these days we should do it from my music room. I guess sound proof.

SPEAKER_04 59:23

That comes with more likes. Come on, like our page. We can do it.

SPEAKER_03 59:25

Oh, yeah, like our page, subscribe, please. Check us out.

SPEAKER_05 59:28

Yeah, we can get a permit from Swansboro to add an extension onto the house for the podcast studio. Yeah, right, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 59:34

We can take the wall down in the back room and uh really have a podcast studio. Oh, that's right. That would actually be sick, but we're talking about doing that. Yeah, taking the wall down and making it.

SPEAKER_03 59:42

Yeah, making those two rooms, one big room. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:45

You know, people would be people would be in there. It's not hard to do. It's a weekend job.

SPEAKER_03 59:51

This guy, he's he's been doing it all week.

SPEAKER_04 59:52

I just took a wall down in one of my houses. Uh, the customers wanted a bigger uh master uh bedroom, so we took the wall down between the bedroom that was you know, just made a one big one? Yeah, but we made a master suite and uh they love it. They're absolutely tickle pink with the uh transformation. That's awesome, actually. So it helped with the sale. So hey, that's what we need at the end of the day is the sale. More about the money, more about each other.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:14

It's all about the money. It's all about the money. Well, paying back the money and all that. Yeah, that it's nice to pay back the investors. Yeah, no, that's but that's a good thing. Uh what about um people who dress like super, super skimpy tight, obviously trying to get attention, but then when you look at them, they get offended. But then they get offended by everybody at the gym. Like, stop looking at me.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:35

But then you ask their inner relationship. That's the worst part. Yeah. Like, I have a boyfriend.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:41

Yeah, I bet your boyfriend's real happy.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:44

Well, the gym why are you trolling? The gym thing is like I've never understood that because I've been to the gym before and been like, whoa, that's you almost have like basically a bathing suit. Yeah, nothing on. Which you wore on purpose. So the big thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:59

If you wear that, oh, and then it's even better when they're when their boyfriend's like with them, like, dude, what do you want? She's wearing that. You know, everybody's gonna be looking. That's that's what she wants. Trust me.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:08

There's and I've seen it online where the these girls are dressed super skimpy and then put a camera up, waiting for guys to walk by.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:16

To put them online and be like, this dude was harassing me. And it's like, no, he was probably just wondering, like, yo. Why are you wearing that? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:23

Why are you in your underwear?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:24

Or the worst ones are like somebody that's they're doing like a lift and they someone I mean, whether or not they're trying to talk to the female, that's neither here nor there. But they might have been like, hey, do you need a spot? Or I'd I've noticed you if you keep doing it that way, you're gonna hurt yourself. Can I help you? And they're like, ew, get away from me. And it's like, bro. Somebody might have been trying to help you for right. Literally. They don't make them like they used to. Hopefully. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:53

One hour. Those were mine.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:58

It's like, alright, well, go ahead and freaking blow your whole back out. Like, whatever, then. Keep going. Do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:04

When people are doing things wrong at the gym.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:05

Yeah, it's like, okay, well then I tried to help you. Well, go ahead. Have a lifelong injury then.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:10

No, I ignore everybody at the gym. I just try not to, I don't, uh do your thing. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:14

Well, it's also always awkward too when it's like there's a line of like unsolicited advice. It's like, I appreciate you, bro. But if I'm not about to help myself, hurt myself, then you may not need to chime in. I've never had anybody say anything to the gym. Here's a good here's a good example of it. Playing golf. When you play golf in a force with somebody that like is trying to coach you the whole time. They keep coaching you and coaching you and coaching you. And it's like, dude. Just let me do my thing. I don't care if I'm hitting it in the it's not, I'm not gonna fix it today.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:44

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:44

I won't fix it right now. So you're I appreciate you, but let's just have a good time, man. Right. This isn't I didn't pay.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:52

Let's try to start having a better time.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:53

Yeah, because it's the vibes are low right now. That's the best thing about those sound canceling headphones. You I go to the I go to the gym, I put those suckers on. I don't hear anybody. I don't it in my gym time is my time. I don't want to be interacting and talking. I don't want to be rude to other people, but I don't want to. I'm here for myself. I have one hour. It's a personal thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:12

It's personal. How about the groups of the teenagers that like stand in front of the mirror and watch each other flex and check each other out and right in front of a machine you need, and it's like all they're doing is talking and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:21

It's like can you can you get get along, guys?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:24

Come on. Come on.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:25

Talking on that, I think the worst is when those teenagers go to the gym at like, you know, when everybody gets off work after school. Peak time. Peak time. Yeah, they sit on a machine for five minutes looking at their phone. Like I understand looking at the phone. Taking pictures of themselves, you know, looking at it. In between sets. Yeah, yeah. You know, you're taking a little rest cycle. Everybody takes a minute rest after every set. Right. When you're on your phone for five, six, seven minutes on the on a damn like looking at Instagram, like and you gotta have some situational awareness.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:51

You can feel someone looking at you, like you could tell when someone's trying to get on that damn machine. It's like, dude, I'm stand, I'm literally, I know you feel me standing here because I've now positioned myself to where you can see me looking at this like I'm trying to get on it.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:05

And you're not working out.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:06

So this is gym etiquette now.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:07

I'm over here saying all this like I go to the gym, which by the way, I don't.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:13

I have not been on the show.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:13

But gym etiquette translates to real life experiences outside of the gym, too.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:17

Like put your shopping cart away. Put your shopping cart away.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:20

Oh, relative.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:21

You're you're a lazy piece of crap if you don't.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:24

If you're an ass in the gym, you're probably an ass in real life outside of the gym.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:27

Yeah, they leave their weights on the thing, don't rewrite it.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:30

Don't pick up your stuff and don't don't wipe it down. Oh yeah. That's crucial.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:35

And in my experience, when you go to the gym and somebody's going constantly and you see them all the time, they're the nicest people on the planet. Oh, yeah. And when it's that one person that you've never seen before that's never been to the gym, they're they're an asshole. Yeah. They will be an asshole.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:48

Yeah, they'll run into somebody though. They'll run into somebody that will tell them, like, yo, don't do that shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:54

I like my gym, and I think everybody's pretty cool there, even the people that have been there forever. The people is the gym. I gotcha. Yeah, I like the gym. It's a good gym. But I still have the teenagers that the broccoli heads that sit over there and look at each other in the mirror, and it's like, dude, go make out with each other already. We're trying to fucking work out. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:11

I did hear as a scientific stat that you get bigger by working out, looking at yourself in the mirror.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:16

Well, I've obviously what they were doing was just like flexing. They weren't working out, they were just flexing.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:22

No, no, no. I'm saying, but that just made me think of that. I heard that like when you lift and you're looking at yourself when you lift, it has some sort of effect.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:29

I heard that. I already know the comments are gonna get. Of course, you guys don't flex in front of the mirror. Why would you? Yeah, I don't.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:34

It's I'm old. I don't look at myself in the mirror anymore. Why would I get depressed?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:39

I would just feel like I'm in the gym. I when I work out, I feel great. Although I'm 30 pounds less than what I was when I retired from the Marine Corps. I feel just fine. I'm not working out to like But you could be thirty pounds heavier. No, I so I would go with my heart.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:55

No, I'm saying that being thirty pounds light isn't.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:57

So I could be like bigger, especially with your heart.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:59

Yeah. A lot of Folks would be like, I'll take 30 pounds off right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:01

Yeah, but I mean I've changed the way I work out now. Instead of trying to lift the heaviest things in the world, I just do you know what I can do for three re or three sets. Uh when my heart rate gets up to a certain point, I'll I'll wait. It's up to a certain point, I'll wait, and then once those sets are done, I'm good. I'll go to the next thing. Used to be you try to get yourself all amped up to work out, like ah, come on, here we go.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:23

Now for me, it's like I have to listen to my body as older right as I get older. Yeah. You know, I mean, I'm obviously training a lot harder than I normally would for what I'm doing in October. Um, but I can feel Iron Man. You have to listen to your body.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:38

Well, I think in working out in general, if you were trying to stay healthy, even as a young person, you still have to listen to your body because it's going to tell you like, yo, you're about to archive. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:48

Oh, yeah. Like recently I've had my I tweak my left shoulder doing shoulder presses, and I'm like, you can't obviously lift as heavy as I was on my left shoulder, so I take a little weight off.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:58

But some people would be like, you know what? I'm just being a B word. Like, that's what I'm being. And then then you severely hurt yourself, and then you can't work out at all.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:07

But I would do that all the time, get little tweaks and pains and stuff, and then I'm like, all right, I'll I'll just I'll just go lighter, but then I'm still aggravating it until I stop altogether, maybe take a week off and then get back into it. You know, but this time my back is the thing that's screwed up, so uh there ain't no going right back to it. But it's getting better, getting a lot better. I'm getting close. Very close. Very very close to those 30 pull-ups. No, I'm not close to that. That's a lot of people. I was about I was around about 20 when I was going, but I was like, 20 is still pretty impressive for you.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:43

Yeah, but that's dude. 20 in general is a good one.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:46

I bet you less than 5% of the population can whip out 20 pull-ups right now. I bet you less than that. That's a benchmark.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:53

It's less than that. I think 23 pull-ups, which is the Marine Corps like max, is like 1% of the population.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:59

It has to be. Yeah, that's a lot, dude. That is a lot. Yeah, but it's doable.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:03

It's you just gotta train for it. Your lats are so much bigger than your biceps. So if you just do overhand and and work on your lats a bunch in different ways, you'll be doing one arm pull-ups in no time. Right, you can condition it. Not in no time. I mean, it takes a while.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:17

You can condition it, but it's like like he was saying though, if you used to surveyed 20 people, I'd be hard pressed to know who could only who couldn't even do one.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:24

So I went um, I went rock climbing with Solange and and Ben, and you know, they told us these things like to don't use your upper body, you're gonna want to use your upper body, but if you put more and for me as a pull-up guy, it's like I really want to use my upper body. Oh, so it's really like you're like stepping up. Yeah, you really you really want to use your legs a bunch, and and I've only done it a couple, you know, a couple you guys did it too. Yeah, but uh um, or actually, was it you and Edward that did it, and you guys are all uh competitive. Oh, was you before you left?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:54

Oh no, it was that me and Evan. We you know, I mean, this is here we're getting I don't know my age, and I'm like, well, he did it, I'm gonna do it. You know, no problem. I can I can't, you know, you gotta it's it's hard as an older adult watching your kids succeed or doing better, stronger, faster things than you did because you know you have that ego thing going, you know, but I need you.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:16

Well, and I went up, I like made it to the top, but like I felt it in my forearms right away, so I knew like I was using too much. Well, you're gonna feel it in that. You're just gonna focus on the technique. Yeah, and I don't know technique yet, so I just technique is everything.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:30

Yeah, it's like the rope climb when you're doing the opening all legs. Oh yeah, easy day.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:35

If you do arms, I don't understand how people don't can't get that. Just take a break. You're on your legs, dude. You're on your own leg, your legs are holding you up.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:43

Like I could literally I I I can literally hang on the rope all day just because I'm using my legs. Yeah. So like when you're climbing it, you would probably even use one arm, just move up a little bit and then just I used I used to teach the Oak Horse, and that was one of my things, is I would hang with one arm and be like, I could do this all day because I'm only using my legs.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:01

Well, climb up it though, you're like creating a step for yourself. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:05

You put it around over your foot and then you step on it.

unknown 1:10:08

You don't allow the rope.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:09

Yeah. I got you. It's all about the leverage. I've never climbed a rope.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:13

It's always the guy's what? You've never climbed a rope.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:16

You've never climbed a rope? I've never stepped up the rope. I don't know the verbiage. He just used soap on the rope. Yeah, exactly. I've never climbed that either. Yeah. Or the uh the aquatic wall at the pool.

unknown 1:10:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:28

Which it was that was it was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:30

Oh, they had a rock wall at the Cherry Point pool? Hell yeah. Oh, that's cool. Still there. And you just fall down into the water. And you just jump off. That's cool. That's cool. It's like angle, it's like angled like that was actually one of my favorite parts of the bigger.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:43

Bouldering. How do you get grip on bouldering? How do you get grip on that though? Bouldering. Your hand wet bouldering.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:49

Okay. I can't.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:50

There's no rope.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:52

So we used to like go to the top of it and then like try to like get the very top part, like where the actual it structure itself was, and like pull ourselves up on that, and then like that got shut down.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:04

You're not supposed to do that. We had like our high dive in Hawaii. I don't know how high it was. Maybe like 20 feet. I don't know. I'd jump on it. I was still like, oh cool, dude. I haven't been on one of these in forever, because when we were kids we used to go on those.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:18

Well, the crazy thing used to be at the combat pool, which is now called the main side pool in Cherry Point, they have like, I guess, I guess it's recreating abandoning ship. You have to do that for swim qual, right? You have to jump off like what is it, like five or ten meters or something like that? Ten meters. Ten meters. And dude, I've like opening the pool so the pool would open, let's say, at uh 11 for lap swim. But up into that point, McQuiz has it already. Like they've already been doing stuff all morning, and there would always be somebody up there that was just standing at the edge. Like they just couldn't jump up and can't do it. Just can't do it. Like, and they'll wait with them. That's like they just step off to the side, look, kind of step back, step up, step back. And then it's like they can't push them, you know what I mean? Just do it, just jump. And it's like there's literally a lifeguard or a McQuiz dude down there with a tube on. It's like, dude, you're fine, you're nothing is gonna happen.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:10

Fear is so powerful.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:12

And it's it just put it in my head. I was like, dude, I will go and do a gainer off that, like right now. And it's crazy that somebody just cannot step off of it into the water.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:20

Yeah. But people get severely afraid of heights. Well, and you climb a little ladder or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:26

Well, it and I had to like make myself realize not everybody grew up around the beach, not everybody grew up going to the pool, not everybody grew up going to swim lessons and stuff like that. It's like some people have never been in the water in their entire life until they joined the Marine Corps and they got to go do that. Yeah. It's gotta be daunting, it's gotta be scary.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:44

You got these guys from the Midwest that I haven't even seen water deeper than 25 feet.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:48

Right. That's what I'm saying. And they've never been out on the lake to swim, other than, you know, where they could touch the bottom.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:55

Maybe only if they've been in a public pool, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:57

Yeah, in a f in four feet where they can still stand up.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:02

Yeah, and um, you're gonna want to swim a lot more before you do swim call in the marine corps. But yes, I will say I am from Virginia Beach.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:16

Like you know, people that grew up on the lake, but then you had the people that lived in the city that might you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:21

Right. Well, I'm from Virginia Beach. I'm from Virginia Beach, so I I grew up on the beach, grew up in the water, I grew up in a pool, I had a pool my whole freaking life, and it's like when uh when I came into the Marine Corps, it was a joke. CWS4 was a joke to me. But I was like, cool, they let us those of us who passed, we got to CWS 3 and we got to 2, but they wouldn't let us go any further. And later on in the fleet, I did one in Q, which is the highest, unless you become a McQuist, which they wouldn't send me. Why are they gonna send me to freaking McQuist school? McQuist is uh it's a water combat, it's a water instructor. Basically, those are the bat, those are the dudes that can do it all. And so it's I had an old sergeant major that they can save you. I had a sergeant major that was a McQuist, so he'd always give me crabs. Like, oh WSQ, that's adorable. You know, like from McQuist. That is so cute. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:09

Those are some badass dudes, though, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:11

Yeah, and then they try to drown you, you know, like while you're doing one of the things, they try to drown you, they'll they'll take you down and you have to get out using pressure points and things like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:18

I had a really good relationship with all the dudes that worked McQuist when I was working at the pool. I'd I'd I'd go in there early. I'd go to work early just so I could go swim around with them and do the stuff. The brown short shorts. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and they'd like they they'd give me their sets of camis, I'd swim in camis with them, we'd do laps and camis, we'd do all the rescues, we'd do all the stuff. It was cool, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:36

Yeah, I did the the the practice air crew qual to see if they were gonna send me to the dunk, and then I pass out flying colors. The dunk tank was a lot of fun. That was a lot of fun, it was super fun, but you do the the pre the qual or qualification in in uh flight suit boots and all that kind of stuff, and I was like, I've already done this in camis for my WSQ. This is easy. So, and it wasn't like easy easy, but it was easy enough to get through. And um, and then the dunker broke or something, so I never got a chance to do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:04

The trick being in the water is just being relaxed and being calm, you know. I mean, don't freak out when the water shoots like it's a little bit. When you start, you know, using all your energy flare flailing it around when you just can lay on your back and just relax.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:16

That's easy to say, but when you're when you're in the dunker and you go backwards and for the first time water shoots up your nose. Let that people panic when that happens.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:24

And you had the blackout goggles they put on, so you don't know which up, left, right, down.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:29

Oh, I love those. Oh, that was a lot of fun. I kept going through. There was this guy that was scared and he kept panicking, so he kept having to do it. I was like, Can I go? We're not doing anything else. We're just sitting over here. Can I can I keep going? He was like, Oh, sure. It was fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:40

Yeah, you're like, this is awesome, actually. Yeah, for people who grew up swimming. It's like we used to try to drown each other growing up. That's what we try to do. Yeah, we used to play underwater hockey. I thought that was the coolest game that I used to play with the McQuiz dudes. It was like you set up like some cones at the bottom of the 12-foot section of the pool, and then you just use the brick, and the way that you move that that the puck around, which is the brick, is you have to keep it on the floor and you gotta push it. Oh, I like that.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:04

I played a very similar game. I played underwater rugby. So you have a torpedo, you had one of those like torpedoes. We did that too, yeah, man. Throw it into the they have like a basket or something set up, and I got fully choked up.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:14

And it gets wicked too because it's like you can like go grab each other and like I got fully choked out on the water, bro. How long can you hold your breath? Exactly. And it's like you're 12 feet down, so it's like you're trying to go as far as you can, and then it's like, oh do I go all the way back up there? It was fun, man. That was the best. Those years when I was doing that, I did it for like 10 years working at the pool. More than that. That was the best shape I was ever in, bro. Oh, yeah, that'll do it. That'll do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:41

If you want to get in shape, is the best story you can do.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:44

Yeah, I've been doing a lot of swimming. Obviously, I gotta swim a mile and a half in the in my Iron Man. But you know, um when I first started the Iron Man, I thought, oh, the swim's gonna be the easiest. You know, I grew up swimming, I surfed my whole life, but it's uh as my body's aged, you know, my shoulders have gotten really trashed. And it's it's not been able to swim. It's you know, it's the the fatigue from the pain and working through that. And that's been the hardest thing. Yeah, for me.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:14

It's a full body thing and it's also cardio stacked on top of it.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:18

It's it's humbling when you go to the pool and there's a 75-year-old woman out there doing three times the laps that you are, you know, and not stopping. Not stopping. I'm like, why is it?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:28

Yeah, but why might be like a professional swimmer?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:30

Yeah, she was a professional swimmer. I found out after I got out of the pool and I was talking to the people at the at the front desk, and I was telling them, I was like, you know, this woman did three laps to my one, and then she they were like, Well, we're gonna make you feel a little better. She's a professional swimmer. I was like, Oh, thank you. Thank you. I do feel a little better. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:51

And I do love swim PT, and I try and get the platoon out there at least once or twice a week to do uh swim PT. It's a great workout. The guys love it.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:59

Yeah, man, and it was always cool, like, because we would open up the uh Hancock pool, the officer pool on Cherry Point at like 5 30, and they'd it would open up and people would bring their people out there and they'd PT out there in the pool. And I was like, this running's great, but this is awesome.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:14

Swimming is such a low impact, but high, you know, it gets your you get your heart rate up and works the majority of your body.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:20

The Marine Corps created a program when I was still in called why does it sound better when I do this? Uh, called Ampit, um aquatics maximum power intense training. And I was one of the first people to go through the instructor course, so I became a train the trainer. I could train other people to do this. It's basically like uh like water, water aerobics, but on steroids, like you basically blast the hell out of you.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:42

It's like water hit.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:43

Yeah, it is, it is. Um, and and so let's say you have an e injury and you can't go out and run. Well, you can get in the water and do this because the pressure from the water is gonna be.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:53

That's why water is such a rehabilitating you know exercise.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:56

You're not having that high impact on your joints. And then headquarters Marine Corps came down and did a like a video, and I was like and I was on AFN and all that stuff, you smoking people in the water. That was pretty funny. But the program, I don't think it gained enough traction because not enough people knew about it. It's just uh like Cody still does it. He's he's like, I know what I need, get me in the water. Sure. And uh, but it I think I trained him. But uh yeah, it was a good program as long as it's used correctly and actually and actually used it.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:26

It was such a rehabilitating uh you know exercise, especially for injuries and that's one of the first things that people would do when the Marines would come in because there was sectioned off times for like not just open swim for regular patrons. A lot of it on the main side pool is for obviously military use. So morning time, PT stuff. Um, and then shortly after that the BCP people would come in and they would swim, and then after that it's the rehab people, so there'd be people coming in there on crutches and stuff and get up, get in the water, and like walk through the three foot, and like you know, just the resistance of the water is their their PT. Yeah, and the and the PT being physical therapy.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:05

Right, right, right, yeah. Not physical training, like we see. Yeah, not working out. Well, see, even you do the the acronyms. That's my dad, dog. It's in me. True, true. And that's why you know them all too. That's a good thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:23

Well, until you start talking to someone, they're like, yo, what'd you say? What's funny is like Nicole does it now because she works at FRC, so she's just she'll be dropping acronyms on me, and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:33

Does she work at FRC up in Cherry Point? Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:36

Uh FRC, huh? FRC, another one. What's FRC? Fleet Readiness Center. Formerly known, I guess, as what? NADEP. Uh the yeah, uh shit. It was that back in the day.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:51

They think I think they might say sector of that, but Cody's been using um acronyms from our MOS, and I've been retired so long, I'm like, wait, I don't remember what that is. What is that? Damn, not you. No, it's getting there, man. But but I would say, is that like human factors? And like, yeah, we just call it force protection, whatever. And I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, I remember that. Well, I'm sure some stuff also gets rebranded too. Like it does, it does, and that's what I'm saying. He's starting to call them different things, and I'm like, that's not what we used to call them. Right. He's like, human factors, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:20

Well, that's like what the SMP was, like used to be back in the day, MWR. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:25

Like, well, there's still an MWR.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:27

There's still MWR.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:28

Yeah, the single marine program is yeah, that's a different oh well see.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:32

I'm done I don't know. Just a civilian.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:33

I don't know that it's different from MWR, but I don't know. Don't clip this before I get canceled. No, yeah. Single marine program. And that's that's good if, you know, but it's just as good as if are they gonna use it? You know, there's all kinds of things out there. Right, you can lead them to it, but yeah. But uh in Hawaii, I think they had a good SP to the case. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:21:55

I mean, and uh you have like the people, I've seen it in real time because I worked at the SP for like five or six years, and a lot of people have this stigma of like, well, that's that's kind of lame, bro. That's lame, and it's like, bro, it's not lame. You get to go on trips for very low cost. The first two cruises I ever went on was for free, getting paid to take like imagine TV. Oh snap. Yes, dude. I didn't know that. Chaperones. Where'd you guys go? We went to the Bahamas both times.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:24

You and you just chaperoned a bunch of Marines.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:27

I said, just come down this hallway and poke your head around the corner and just check you off at 5 p.m. every day. Just make sure you made it back on the boat. I don't give a hell damn what you do on the ship. Just get back on. Don't leave no man behind. Exactly. Just don't just don't miss the boat, and uh otherwise I don't care what you do.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:43

Yeah, what's funny is that that was done on a civilian cruise, right? If it was done on a deployment, half of them would have come, they would have been drunk and disorderly. No, they were drunk.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:52

All you had to do is get up to the quarter deck, you know, and salute the flag.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:56

Wave your hand and permission to come aboard. When I was in uh Puerto Rico, we had to like we had to walk our master sergeant back. He was stumbling so hard, but you have to get up yourself, you know. Right. And so he did it. He was like, All you gotta do is look at the stuff. Whatever the fuck, I don't remember if we were even in uniform. No, we weren't actually.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:14

How many times was like, thank just get me to my school, you know, get into my birth and I just gotta get into my birthday area.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:20

That's like how yeah, that's why I want to go to these places now that I'm out and uh can just do whatever the hell. Yeah, you have a big trip.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:28

You have a brother's trip coming up.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:30

We're planning a brother's trip. I my older brother and younger brother and I are um we've been wanting to do something together, like go camping or go somewhere and do something, and the the two things the two things just two things. I'm sorry, I I'm concerned with the penny. Uh my brother called me up and he was like, Alright, man. So I'm here at I'm here at Rob Jared called me and said, I'm here at Robbie's and oh that was violent. What happened?

SPEAKER_06 1:24:05

My bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:07

You gotta look excited. Okay. Anyway, uh so i they want to go to the Philippines, and I think the Philippines about that. Can you put that back on her so if she gets out, we can I'm nervous about this whole penny thing because she's all riled up now and ready to go out. But um, no, uh no, the Philippines, I've never been there. I've heard good things from my friends who have deployed and stuff like that. I haven't been to a lot of countries in Asia. You know, I've been to like Afghanistan, Kyrgyzstan, but I've never been to like, you know, Japan.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:39

Uh but it's gonna be different being a civilian. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. It's much more relaxed. You don't have such a set schedule. Yeah, yeah. I gotta be here, I gotta be here.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:48

You've you can just go in and what's gonna worry me is that he's gonna be the one to try to over plan everything. Well, they got ATVs and kayaking and this and that. I'm like, bro, we're gonna burn a day of travel. You know, you gotta think we're gonna want to relax at some point. We're gonna want to just walk, go have some good food, you know, uh go see see the sights and stuff like that. We're not gonna always want to be going go, go, go, go, go. Or at least I won't. Um, he forgets he has the same heart condition as me.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:15

Sometimes it's more fun just to freewheel it, not have a plan, and just the plans will happen as you know, your your example and yourself. But you also want to have a list of things. Yeah, but you know, you you have that list of things that you want to do as long as you get them done, but don't have such a regimented schedule that you can't enjoy it. You're too worried about getting to the next place, you know. I'm gonna be here, I gotta be there, I gotta be this, and just enjoy, you know, do the big things and enjoy being there with your brothers.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:45

Awesome is that we haven't done any kind of trip since we were younger. We used to go camping all the time when we were kids. Uh but we just we haven't done that in a long time, so that's what we've been wanting to do. Uh each year, my whole family tries to plan some kind of family reunion type camping trip or whatever, and each year it fails and we don't do it. And so that's why we're trying to just put it on the books, we're gonna do it. Um so we'll see. It's kind of like it's kind of like our trip, and right that trip's before this trip.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:15

So I I I don't have any brothers, I've got a sister, um, but I've got two boys, and I'm we're looking forward to doing a trip with the boys when they have time and we can do something like that. I think it's gonna be a a bonding experience, you know. That's one thing. Where are you guys? Oh, oh, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:33

That's one thing I'm thankful for. Like that me and my dad kind of share. We go every year to the Coke 600 on Memorial Day weekend. That's been our thing for like the past ten years. You took me to my first NASCAR race when I was way younger, but like the past ten years.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:45

Those are special times that you'll take it.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:47

Just me and my dad, man, just rocking out.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:49

You know, my dad's eighty-four, so I take every minute I get to spend with my dad, you know, and I'm not being morbid, but you know, I mean, there comes a time where my dad's not gonna be with me, and I want to be able to share the share those same experiences that I had with my dad with my kids.

unknown 1:27:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:04

Well, I you know, well I well, I still can. Yeah, yeah, I hear you.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:08

Well, he says that to me. He because my dad tells me all the time, he's like, My dad was my best friend, but my dad lost his dad when he was forty.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:15

Yeah, my dad's uh my grandfather passed away when my dad was twenty-five, so I never get to never got to meet him. Right. So my kids are blessed that they still have a grandfather.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:24

You know, yeah, I wasn't even 40 when my dad died.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:27

Yeah, my dad's dad passed away at a very young age from just a crazy massive heart attack. I guess he my dad says it's because of stress because he was just working to keep the family going.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:37

Yeah, my my grandfather drowned, so it was a traumatic experience for my father. You know, he he has a tough time like uh when I was growing up surfing and stuff, he was always so worried about like you flying with your you you know with your father. Yeah, my dad died in a plane crash. And uh so it was you know, he's like, You gonna be okay? Are you you got somebody with you? And you know and I hate I hated it putting it through those.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:00

Those experiences. Did he have a problem swimming after that?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:03

Or he yeah, well, my dad grew grew up on the West Coast and surfed and stuff and passed it down to me. But when his father drowned, he definitely doesn't have a fear of water, but he's got a very heightened aware of the floor.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:16

And that's basically how I was when I started flying myself. I was like, am I an idiot? My dad died this way, and now I'm going to go.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:22

But it overcomes your fear too. It does.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:24

And my flight instructor, when I was getting my license, he was in a plane crash as a baby, like a major airline plane crash where a hundred people died and like a hundred people survived. And he's was a baby that survived. And he grew up and became a pilot. So he could because that pilot did such a good job.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:40

What a way to come overcome your pilot.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:41

The pilot did such a good job saving half the plane because of what the malfunction was. And that's when he became one. And I, you know, and at one time near near the end of my training, and we're sitting there, we're sitting there, we're flying. I'm flying. And I was like, you know what just struck me the other day? The odds of us pairing as I was his first person to get to finish my private pilot. But I wasn't his first student, I was just the first one to finish. But it was like you were in a plane crash, my dad was in a plane crash. We're so unlikely to even be in an airplane right now. Right. And we're just statistical anomaly.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:13

Yeah, so I was like, man, we should do like a lightning can't strike twice in the same place. Well um, but I was like, we we should write an article.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:21

We shouldn't be in the plane together, actually. Yeah, yeah, true. I was like, dude, uh, you sure this is the best setup? Give me another instructor. Yeah, who's gonna be a little bit more? He was an excellent, excellent, excellent instructor. Aaron, if you're listening, which I know you're not, but uh he's he's in the airlines now, you know, so he's he's uh big baller. Oh, yeah, flying some cool planes. We know a lot of pilots that are commercial pilots that are flying big big airplanes and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:46

Shout out to Andy, flying net jets.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:49

Now we got about 30 minutes left, and we have to get Tyler on it here soon because he did rest a spot that I have to take a second and go to the bathroom.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:58

You can sit here. Yeah, you could jump in this seat. Well, you got multiple seats here.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:07

Gonna jump in my joint.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:08

I gotta get a smoke so he can take this one.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:12

Smokey treat. Yeah, smoky treat.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:15

I liked that tide water. That was good. It was good? Yeah, it was good. It was good. Especially for 90 proof, too. Yeah. It was pretty good. Welcome to the show, brother. That's why we can't have nice things.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:45

That's what I do.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:46

We got Evan kicking the table down, freaking Tyler kicking the mic. Shit. Nice. Roger just enjoying life. What up, brother? What's up? What's been good? I ain't seen you in a while. I I know it's been holy.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:07

Were you gone? No, I wasn't uh I mean, I guess I was gone. Is that better? Yeah, that's better. All right. Uh lot of training and just the hours of the podcast weren't meeting up with uh my life.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:21

But you still gotta do life stuff too. You still gotta do life. Um that's what it's been kicking my ass about like the wedding stuff because everything that we can do falls on the weekend, exactly, you know, and that's like when I'm supposed to be taking care of that. So it's been trying to squeeze it in.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:37

Yeah, that's that's one of those like we said, life gets life and and you can't stop it. So yeah, but no, I'm I'm I'm here. Um, I'll be here until I uh leave. I'm going on a little trip somewhere. Oh man, one of those? One of those. Um, so how long? Uh don't know. Undisclosed. Undisclosed. I gotcha. You know, destination unknown.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:05

Destination unknown. He's going persona non grata.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:10

Uh but no, it should be a good secret mission, if you will. Yeah. It'll be a good time to get out of here.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:17

Right now, yeah. It's okay. I can kind of make out Tyler somewhere.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:25

Damn, he wants to make out. He wants to make out he wants to make out with me.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:29

Did my number just go up?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:30

Borophil?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:32

Or my number just go down. What is it? Number went down. Yeah, you guys don't know that one. It's a shop. It's an inside, it's a shop inside thing. Like you're not sure. Yeah. Uh it's such a long story. Let's off offline. I'll take it.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:46

Is it like a rating?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:48

It's well, it's like uh how much money would it take you to remember.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:53

Well, my wife asked me that, she goes, would you be uh gay for a million dollars? I was like, Yes. She never once asked me I have to do anything. She's gonna say like be gay.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:04

What are the parameters on that?

SPEAKER_06 1:33:06

So like the old joke, $20 is $20 exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:10

Yeah, 100%. So we were here at the Christmas party. Was it the Christmas? No, it was Christmas party, Christmas party party. And we were talking about the number. And it's like uh $200, $2 million, blah blah blah. But it's like, yeah, right, dude. Two million lower and lower. And you said something like that. Someone's like, I could really use $100 right now. And I can't remember what it was, but it was very good. Yeah, and you got orders, didn't you? Did you already talk about this? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:37

No, I haven't uh I haven't got official orders, but uh looking like uh I will be next summer I'll be uh I'll be a mover um moving out of the state of North Carolina. Daggum it.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:50

Um yeah you're gonna have to start calling in.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:52

I know. Um so hopefully, I mean it'll be a good three years somewhere. Uh coming right back. That's what I know I asked for. That's easy.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:04

You're gonna want to do a three-year away anyway.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:06

Yeah, is North Carolina forever for you guys?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:09

Or yeah, yeah, yeah. We're probably I mean, I like our house right now, but I think we're gonna move probably Cape Carteret area.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:18

That's it's money, bro. I we we talk about it all the time. It's like there's no going back, like because we moved from Havelock, which is like say what you want about it. I'm from there, so yeah, it's got a soft spot. But now leaving it and living out here, I'm like, there's no absolute way I could ever go back to that ever.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:37

Yeah, it was just familiar, is the only reason I liked it. Exactly. And the wife and kids love the beach, we're right here. Uh California's too expensive, right? Florida's too expensive. This is my lifestyle. All the things, yeah. Because you can have a five-hour trip and you're in the freaking mountains. We're in the mountains, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:59

My son was out in Ap State. We that was five hours and we're in the mountains, and it was awesome. And even even going like on a little weekend vacay, get an Airbnb somewhere. Yeah, exactly. North Carolina is an awesome state. I'm from Virginia Beach, and I felt like a trader when I first started thinking, all right, I'm gonna live in North Carolina, I guess. You know, yeah. That's why I retired and we loved it here. And and uh we was maybe eventually we might move back up there, but man, every time I'm up there at Virginia Beach, traffic's terrible. There's two there's a million freaking there's people everywhere. Nobody knows anybody because you know it's not well, there's parts that are dirty. Um, and again, I loved growing up there. That was you know, uh the only place I've ever grown up. So same house for 18 years, and then I joined a Marine Corps. But uh Chesapeake is becoming overgrown. All the little you know, my grandparents, my great grandparents lived out in Chesapeake when it was all farmland, and now it's all growing up like Virginia Beach, which I love Chesapeake, but it's it's it's just getting too big of a city, and it's like, man, this place is where it's at. My brother comes down here, I'm like, see the water right there. Yeah, like he could he bitches it that everything's a little further, like everything's 30 minutes. What am I giving up though? Everything's 30 minutes there because you got so much traffic and so many people.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:14

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:15

And also, how many times are you gonna be going to these spots that are 30 minutes away? You gotta also weigh that. It's like there's a lot of necessities that you have right here around the corner, too.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:24

Yeah, or if I'm gonna go to Jacksonville for some ungodly reason, I'm gonna stack a couple things on that day.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:30

You know what I mean? I'll just go to Sam's and get everything in bulk.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:34

Yeah, I'm just gonna go drop a little 500 piece and I'm good.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:37

Nothing against uh Virginia. You're getting two things. What I was just talking about the other day is Virginia Beach is turning into the new Myrtle Beach.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:45

Well, yeah. Dirty Myrtle? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:47

No, it's turning into the new Myrtle Beach of the North. Of Virginia.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:53

The Moydle. Penny penny penny.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:01

Nothing against Myrtle Beach.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:02

I haven't really even heard anything about Myrtle Beach in a long time. Is that still like a thing?

SPEAKER_01 1:37:07

It's it's still a hit spot, but I I guess it's dirty.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:10

That's like a thing if you've been there once, you've been there a million times. Yeah. Type of deal.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:15

Yeah, I mean, there's the tourist areas like Broadway at the beach, and that is like I don't need to go there ever.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:23

I'm good.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:24

Yeah, well, I haven't been there in a couple years.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:26

It's like Louisiana, Bourbon Street. You go there one time, experience it, and you're done. Um like Vegas. Never been to Vegas. I'm 36, never been to Vegas. I don't I don't even want to exp I would probably go for a casino, and that's about it. I don't do nightlife.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:46

Well, the thing about Vegas is Vegas is sensory overload. It really is. It's just you don't even know what to do because there's so much shit to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:57

Yeah, I I went there. Um I've been there. Come over here and say lay down, baby.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:03

My social battery would be in the red, like, not even start. Like, no, get me out of here.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:07

We haven't even like talked about like going to Fremont Street because that's like a whole another beast. Yeah. That's another beast. What in Vegas? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:15

Yeah, I only went down like the strip and just went.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:17

Nah, we I was there, dude. If you're really gonna go to Vegas, I would just recommend like you have to go to Fremont Street.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:23

I was there with two small children.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:25

Forget the damn strip. The strip is like designer district now, it's too expensive. Is it? Yeah, it's it's it's it's an it's astronomically expensive. And they say like Vegas is like on a downward trend because A, the younger generation isn't really partying like that. People don't drink like that anymore. I mean, you couldn't tell me that, but but younger people on average don't really drink that much and go out, so it's declining because of that. But the cool thing about Fremont Street is it's like it's old Vegas, it's a little older, it's a little grittier, it's like the more of a salt of the earth. And then you walk, so and Fremont, they got like the holographic. I'm looking at Solange because she knows what I'm talking about. You got the holographic screen up top, but if you take a little venture outside of that screen and go a couple blocks that way, you really gonna run into some like all right, maybe we need to go back towards the other way towards back towards the because you're gonna get into like Vegas, Vegas, and then it's never gonna trip back. Yeah, it's Vegas. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:24

You're gonna get I never understood doing a trip to Vegas, like we were just we yeah so when I went, we were we were just going through Vegas. We would we my family got stationed back in New River after Hawaii. So we shipped our car to California, just drove across. We were just gonna drive across no matter we didn't have a plan, we didn't have uh we had a long time on leave. So we would just point at the map and be like, let's drive six hours today, let's do eight hours. If we feel like stopping at three hours, we'll stop. So we made Vegas one of our stops, and it was hotter than freaking hell out there. And yeah, it was I stopped the. I was like, I could have done without this. That boy was Clark Griswold.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:59

Yeah, but I can fully understand like a one-day stop.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:02

Sorry, folks, the park is closed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:05

I can fully understand like a one-day stop at Vegas, but doing a whole like week-long trip.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:10

There is no week long in Vegas. Because you'll how long in Vegas.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:16

However much money you bring to Vegas is gonna be gone within the first few days.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:20

Bro, it's expensive. Put it all on black for our constituents to speak on Vegas. And then you win.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:26

But the odds still aren't 50-50 because you got zero, I think the double zeros.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:31

No, the house always wins.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:33

The house always always wins.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:36

Okay. My experience with Vegas is more than just a strip. I've been on the strip, but there's so much to Vegas. Um the first time I ever went was You haven't been on the strip, you've stripped. Who's been taught? Two different things. Who's been taught? J K L O L I know I'm just kidding. Um okay, so the first time I went to Vegas was straight after 25 days through the Grand Canyon rafting. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:05

Yeah, so we went to the Grand Canyon too. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:07

Yeah, but we rafted. Like we just went, we were there. Yeah. Zero service. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:14

25 days of rafting. I would have thought two would have been enough.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:17

Nearly a month. No service.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:18

Like, okay, I'm bored now.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:20

It's been twice.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:22

Okay. So so we planned it, assuming or knowing it was going to be a culture shock. And even just sitting on a toilet was a culture shock. And that was fun. Um but we were like, okay, we've had enough with all these people around us in the casino. We stayed at Circus Circus, and um and there was a deer hunter game, and we had seen so many bighorn sheep through the canyon, and one of my buddies, so we're playing Deer Hunter in this like side arcade, and um and and there was a whole he chose bighorn sheep as the selection of animals that he was gonna shoot, and he was just I don't know, you guys would have to know him. He was just cracking up, and it was just it was funny, but it was like out of all animals that you just chose, and you're just sitting there shooting, yeah, just killing bighorn sheep right after and oh man, but his laugh was so maniacal, but also so hilarious. And then there were doves in the bonus round, anyways. Um, but Vegas also, I lived there for like off and on for about a year between Salt Lake and there.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:34

And um it's just going right down that building, it's gonna it's gonna last for the rest of the day.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:40

Hey TK, can you uh shade him? There you go. Oh, it's so nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:45

I can't see now. I still can't see. You know how you see the sun?

SPEAKER_00 1:42:50

Okay. So living in Vegas is a whole different ballgame, especially compared to Salt Lake. So Salt Lake closes at like 8 p.m. every night. Salt Lake City? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:01

That's because they're Mormons.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:02

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:03

Yeah, but the whole town freaking shuts down at 8, and we were on a messed up sleep schedule where 8 p.m. was like when we were having lunch. Anyways, Vegas was fantastic for us, especially during the winter because Salt Lake was cold and Vegas was warmer, and then but when it gets really hot, you know, then you switch over to Salt Lake. But but Vegas has red rock. Red rock is world-class climbing on sandstone. And and it is phenomenal. And the arts district of Las Vegas is also so fantastic. The strip is one thing. The strip you can stay away from and you can have a blast in Vegas without ever going on the strip. So shout out Vegas, the strip, Velveteen Rabbit.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:56

Is that because of legalized prostitution?

SPEAKER_06 1:43:59

Um That can't be true. I mean 100%. It's definitely illegal.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:04

I mean we go I mean I've also been in New Orleans.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:08

He said, Haven't we know it? He goes, wait.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:10

I've also been in New Orleans where this changes things.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:16

Yeah, there's a 52 deck of cards. Pick one.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:22

But so after the Grand Canyon, so we're sitting there looking at a fake volcano that everybody's waiting and waiting and waiting for this fake volcano to erupt. And let me tell you how fake Vegas is on the strip.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:37

Yeah, just don't let bring her back over here.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:44

Basically, Vegas is if you're if you're on the strip, you're looking at a you're waiting for a fake volcano to erupt.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:52

Let me guess. And all it was was a bit of a sm a bit of smoke that came out of this piece of cardboard. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:59

And so we kept moving. And like as a girl, yeah, we might have like a time or two where where we're invited in, but it's still like $25 a head, but $50 for a guy, and it's like, ah, we're good.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:11

Why? That's bullshit.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:14

Um, how many of you, how many, how many of you do places want in, and how many of me do places want in? Because if it was the same price, yeah. If it was the same price, I think everyone wants to do that. There'd be so many of you and less of me.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:32

Yeah. I will say I have experienced that. I went to a frat party up in uh the South Carolina. And we brought four cases of beer and a bunch of liquor. And they're like girls getting free. We brought we had three girls with us. They're like, girls getting free, you guys are $20 a call.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:49

And we're like, that's such a pain in the ass. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:55

We brought liquor and beer. Like, we're gonna give this to the rest of the party.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:59

See, that's a whole different ballgame. You guys should have been invited. Yeah. Yeah. You guys had the tickets, multiple tickets. Okay. But but Vegas is sweet. Vegas is super sweet. Highly recommend. But you can avoid the strip and still have a fantastic time. You would have a better time avoiding the strip. There's still so much to do. And if you want to go rock climbing, just go rock climbing. And that's all. Shout out Vegas. Shout out the Velveteen Rabbit in the artist district.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:35

Oh god. Velveteen Rabbit.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:37

Oh, it's so beautiful. It's got the best cocktails. And and any man cave, woman cave, just fucking cave that any any person would love to have like a luxurious room that they could imagine. There it is in the bar.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:54

Why is it named after like an 80s strip club? Velveteen. Velveteen rabbit. That sounds like something I go to in my life.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:03

Because a rabbit hole. You have many options to experience.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:10

But also like velvet stools, velvet couches, velvet lounge areas, dark ambiance, dim lighting, and craft cocktails. Fantastic. And I had been there once before, but then there's a guy who in our lives we keep crossing paths and found out he was bartending there at the time, and I knew him in Colorado. And and so we went and visited him after that. Dow doubt.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:45

Nice. Nah, you can keep Vegas. Yep. Keep it. I'm not 25 anymore.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:52

The house always wins, but there's more to Vegas.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:56

Yeah. I don't know. I I'll just go to Nashville. I don't need to go find out. Yeah, Nashville might be.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:03

I know, but Lee needs to go to Nashville.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:05

Is Nashville mine?

SPEAKER_00 1:48:06

That's where he's gonna find his divorcee honey.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:09

All these sugar mama.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:11

All the big places are just dirty. Overgrown shit.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:16

You need to go to Charleston. Um Southern Battle.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:18

Charleston is the only place I haven't done a bachelorette party at. Really?

SPEAKER_06 1:48:23

It seems like a lot of bachelorette parties in Charleston.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:26

Yeah, I've gone to Nashville, I've gone to New Orleans, I've gone to Cable Barbecue. Carolina Beach. I've been to Atlantic City.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:37

So nobody can like Ocean City.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:43

I swear there's more. So many freaking bachelorette parties. Okay, where's y'all's favorite bachelor party you've been to?

SPEAKER_01 1:48:55

Never.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:57

You've never been to a bachelor party?

SPEAKER_01 1:48:59

I've been to one bachelor party in my life.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:01

Okay, so one? Where?

SPEAKER_01 1:49:02

My brother's golf course. I don't get invited to parties.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:09

I didn't want a myrtle.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:10

What did that say about you? Oh, I did want to myrtle too. Got a bachelorette in a myrtle.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:15

I don't have friends. I don't know. I don't know. I just don't. You've been married for too long. Probably. And all my friends are not here. And all my Marine Corps friends are already married, so and we all do courthouse weddings. So we don't really have bachelor parties.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:36

Why? Like why courthouse?

SPEAKER_03 1:49:39

Because statistically because statistically marriages aren't gonna last. Yep.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:43

And they don't have any money.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:45

So how much money are you willing to spend on something that's like the percentage is so high it's not gonna last?

SPEAKER_00 1:49:51

That doesn't mean that a bachelor party doesn't happen. Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:55

I mean go to the bundle. A bachelor party to me is coming. Coming here and smoking a cigar and having bourbon with the boys around the round table. And plus one for salonge at here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:12

I'm just included. I'm included in the package price.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:16

But we don't do I never got into that. I'm an introvert, but I'm also an extrovert. Like I like to stay home. If I go to I don't like if people cancel parties, I love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:39

It's the buttons because they're so tiny.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:45

If people cancel, I love it. Oh yeah. I just say, oh darn. If something gets cancelled, I'm like, oh, sweet. And I'm standing in my boxers, like, oh darn, I'm so sorry. Yeah, yeah. Now I've become anti-social.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:02

This is the most social I am out here.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:05

I go out when I need to.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:06

Thank you so much. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:08

Or here, you know, of course we talk here, but I'm just saying, like, I'm not going to go out to the bars. I don't have any reason to. I don't like it. When uh Alfredo.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:20

Is that Alfredo?

SPEAKER_03 1:51:22

Alfredo, my dude. We haven't seen this guy in a long time.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:27

Well, it looks like I'm going to charge Alfredo up.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:30

We've got about 10 more minutes left on the show. TK, if you want to come on and we can start wrapping up. Maybe that's all I have for Vegas. Thank you, Salon. Hey, Benny, maybe. Penny, come. Oh man. I haven't seen Alfredo in a long time. Alfredo is the owner of Alfredo's Pizza in Chapel Hill. If you can check out Alfredo's pizza because it's freaking hot. Oh, and Brewery? Yeah. Oh, I haven't seen you a long time. Good, good. What's up, buddy? How are you doing? Good to see you, man. Yeah, so uh excellent pizza. If you get a chance, go out there and try it out. Uh yeah, just you gotta push her down. Sorry. She's I can't do anything about it. I'm I'm on here right now. Pitting it down. Yeah, it's gonna happen. We can shut her down. No, uh, so did you not have any other things? No. Okay. So the last thing about Vegas was.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:27

Have we talked about the Artemis too? Sorry. Did you already talk about that?

SPEAKER_03 1:52:32

Well, we talked about some of it, like how the shadow of the girl's hands are there, that the ball was never shadow. And when you see the ball spin, you can see that throw my two cents out there.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:43

And then when the bag comes up, it goes through the guy's ear and has a red dot on it, it goes away. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:48

And then somebody was like showing a ball of 1,000 degree, like a metal ball that they put in water, and it was like and then the 5,000 degree Artemis 2 that lands in the water. Nothing. Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:59

Yeah. Crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:01

Yeah. Oh, and then here's one that's kind of a stretch. Holy shit. Here's one that's kind of a stretch. The female, Christina Koch.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:09

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:10

She was on IMDB and Mag Max, Mad Max Fury Road or something. But I don't think it's the same one. They showed a picture of the person. I'm like, that doesn't look anything. That's a little that's a stretch, you know. But there are a lot of like fake videos out there. It's like, why would you do that? And then the picture side by side is like, oh, the same cloud patterns as the Apollo 11.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:27

Another, another conspiracy theory behind that, I think, is you know how all the astronauts refuse to put their hand on the Bible. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And now they're all about praising God and all this, like, it's starting to spin like that. I'm like, trying to get us to like.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:47

They're onto us. Yep. Uh there was a what was it called? There was a oh man, I'm gonna mess this up. There was some kind of movie or something where oh, Fly Me to the Moon. Or was it Fly Me to the Moon? I've never seen the movie, but where they were like, hey, listen, we're gonna make it on time and stuff, but just in case we have to we have to do a fake version as well. It's called Project. What do you think? Artemis. Artemis.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:13

Artemis. Well it's plain sight, that's what they do. Because a I think it was a C5 that was in the where the Artemis 2. These are just opinions, we're just joking. It's all comedy. All comedy related. All fun games. But there's a C5 in the area of San Diego that was flying over. And why was a C5 just flying in San Diego during that time that Artemis II was coming back?

SPEAKER_03 1:54:42

Oh, you know, you saw that.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:43

And they were coming in at 24,000 miles an hour. You see, please.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:49

Do you see what the G's do to pilots at like nine G's?

SPEAKER_01 1:54:52

Yeah. But 24,000 miles an hour. They're like, oh, they had no gravity. They're coming into the universe.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:00

We're gonna get so much hate for this. But again, we're just it's just fun to think about all for entertainment purposes. It's just fun to think about. It's fun. I grew up loving astronauts.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:09

Go to an arcade and do the I watched the Endeavor takeoff.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:13

I saw it myself.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:14

Yeah. It was right there. And then it cut black.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:17

No, I absolutely would. I was down in Cape Canaveral when I was a kid. My dad knew somebody that worked at NASA, so we got closer. We got where the press goes. You're still miles away. Yeah. But we were, we were, it was close enough. We we watched the launch. It was badass. It was a sonic movement. It was great. What I didn't see was you know the people going in. We're way too far away for that. And the people, you know, maybe coming out. There were there's some video on the Artemis one that keeps showing this like cable car coming down before they launched. But I don't know how real that is. Man, AI can be making up everything nowadays. People could be faking the fake.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:51

Look at a jet flying at how many miles an hour. And then look at the Artemis II rocket that launched. It looks like it's slow motion going up, but it's going so I don't know. I just a lot of things are yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:06

It's just some fishy things. Yeah. Like when President Bush Sr. was wheeled through NASA and you see the like it's not a green screen, but it's like a blue screen with checker and the guys like doing this fake thing, and then they show the real video and it's exactly that. They're making a CGI video. Let's say we did go, right? Let's say we did go in 1969 when we didn't have the technology to go. Let's say we did, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:56:29

We went six times, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:31

Why then would you have fake videos out there? So if we went and and you're just trying to convince people that we went by making fake videos, that's all that's gonna do is turn us away from it and make you look like liars. Not that the government ever lies. MK Ultra.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:49

One of the greatest quotes I've ever heard is it's harder to keep the hoax going than it is to actually go to the moon.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:56

Well, and the other thing is like on the flip side on the argument for the moon landing, you know how many people would have to would have to keep their mouth shut in order for for that not to come out?

SPEAKER_06 1:57:06

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:07

Well, then what about when one of the astronauts on Apollo 11 multiple times denied that they ever went? Buzz Aldrin.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:14

Buzz Aldrin has denied every single interview.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:17

Did you hear that there's ten, recently there's ten scientists that were missing, dead, dead, killed that were working on Apollo 11 these kind of projects and stuff, and now they're being killed in mysterious ways. Whoa. Nothing to see here, folks. Let's just keep keep your TVs on and listen to the news and listen to what we're telling you. Watch the CGI image on this outside of this thing. Like, and then they show us this. And I saw some Apollo 11 stuff again where they're showing the outside of the capsule, like in space and stuff, and it's like, hey, quick question whose camera, who's videoing? Well, it's a satellite. Yeah, there's always a there's always some convenient angle.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:01

Or that or the visualization freaking feed. It's like this is we can't show you the real feed. Why did you go blackness for six minutes? Oh, because uh uh all this other bull.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:14

There's a lot how did the how did the the the picture or the video or anything of Earth rise from the moon? Well, how did that arrive in the newspaper the next day? Oh if that's fast. If back then they could not do that, even if it was taken on Earth, they couldn't have done that. I mean, they probably could have done that, but um anyway, a lot of questions. Doesn't matter. This is all entertainment, and we just like to have fun and make jokes. So, you know, check it out, ask the questions if you want to. You don't have to. Yeah. We probably went, right? Yeah, yeah, I'm sure we're yeah. Of course. Yep. Yemper. You ready? Yapper.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:54

Yper. You ready? Oh my gosh, let's go. Seven times.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:58

We're gonna do the moon, actually. Final takeaways. TK, which final takeaways, buddy?

SPEAKER_05 1:59:04

Final takeaways. I'm gonna keep using soap with no loofah. I'm still gonna be clean. I don't care what any of you say. You dirty dog.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:12

Thanks for having me. Evan, takeaways. Thanks for coming.

SPEAKER_06 1:59:16

Never going to Vegas. Never going to Vegas.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:19

You're not wrong, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:21

You're not wrong.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:24

It's been about two and a half months since I've been on. Great to be back. Um, yeah. Cheers. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:33

Nice. And I what do you want to say, something? And I think this is a good episode because we were all over the damn place. I love when that happens. Uh TK and I had some pre- uh, we don't do this anymore, like the pre the topics. We don't come here knowing what we're gonna talk about all the time. But I really wanted to talk about that doctor thing because it's crazy. So let us know what you think about all the topics we talked about. Remember that these are our opinions, and you may differ in opinions. That's fine. We can have a conversation about it in the comments. Like, subscribe, check us out. This is the Hot Ashes Podcast on Lee. TK Baby. Coming at you live not live, but uh coming at you one week off, probably from Georgia Cigar Shop in Swansboro, North Carolina. Thanks for listening. Deuces