A Conversation with Dr Hayley D. Quinn: Reclaiming Wellbeing and Creating A Life That Fits (Part 2)

In Part 2 of my deeply nourishing conversation with Dr. Hayley D. Quinn, we turn toward the realities so many therapists, psychologists, and helping professionals quietly carry: burnout, self‑neglect, emotional labour, and the pressure to keep going even when our bodies and hearts are exhausted.

In this grounded and compassionate dialogue, Hayley shares her lived experience of profound burnout, how she rebuilt her life from the inside out, and how she now supports others to create sustainable, values‑aligned ways of working.

Together, we explore:

• The hidden patterns of self‑neglect common in caring professions
• Why therapists often disconnect from their own needs
• Burnout as a systemic, not personal, failing
• How late‑identified neurodivergence (autism + ADHD) transformed Hayley’s understanding of energy, pacing, and wellbeing
• What sustainable work looks like for neurodivergent clinicians and helpers
• Why compassionate self‑relationship is essential for avoiding burnout
• Practical strategies for working in ways that honour your nervous system
• Allowing yourself to redefine success, productivity, and worth
• Building a life and career that fits you, rather than forcing yourself to fit the profession

This episode is validating, honest, and deeply supportive — especially if you have ever felt tired, overwhelmed, or quietly depleted while continuing to care for everyone else.

Hayley speaks with clarity and warmth about returning to your inner wisdom, listening to the signals of your body, and creating a life aligned with your values, your neurotype, and your wellbeing.

About Our Guest - Dr Hayley D Quinn, mindset and wellbeing coach

Dr Hayley D Quinn is a mindset and wellbeing coach, speaker, trainer and former clinical psychologist. She is a late-identified proud Autistic woman with ADHD. Hayley is the author of From Self-Neglect to Self-Compassion: A compassionate guide to creating a thriving life. She is the host of the Welcome to Self® podcast and past president of Compassionate Mind Australia. Combining clinical expertise, Compassion Focused Therapy training and lived experience to help people prevent burnout, prioritise wellbeing and create thriving lives and businesses that feel meaningful and purposeful.

Resources & Links:

1. Learn more about Hayley's work https://drhayleydquinn.com/

2. Buy Hayley's book, From Self-Neglect to Self-Compassion: A Compassionate Guide to Creating a Thriving Life. 

3. Follow Hayley on Instagram

Disclaimer:

The content discussed in this podcast is for inspiration and educational purposes only. It is not a substitute for therapy or clinical supervision, and our time together does not constitute a therapeutic relationship. Please seek professional support if you are in need.

Transcript

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Poh Gan: Hey, welcome to the practitioner's heart offering practical Buddhist wisdom for therapists and healthcare workers. If you are keen to deepen your practice beyond the theoretical understanding of Buddhism, if you are finding it hard to calm your little. Active Mind after therapy work. I welcome you to join me to dive a little deeper.

Each episode I'll be sharing some common issues that therapists may face when integrating and practicing awareness, compassion within themselves, and also supporting clients. I'll be sprinkling some pearls of wisdom that I've learned from my master and teachers. That will be helpful as internal resources.

I'll also be [00:01:00] interviewing other therapists who are on these spiritual paths together to share their experiences of how they practice wisdom and compassion in their daily lives. I want to let you know that you're not alone. You are part of a bigger community who aspire for greater soul alignment, growth and awakening that we can strike a balance of juggling our busy modern life as therapists with a clear mind and an open heart. I hope to inspire more practitioners to explore deeper spiritual meaning and purpose on our path to enlightenment. I'm your host, Poh Gan, a psychologist, a Buddhist practitioner, a parent of two children, a fellow human being with a busy mind but with a great inspired vision for collective awakening. [00:02:00] Let's begin.

Welcome back to the part two of my conversation with Dr. Hayley D. Quinn. If you haven't listened to part one yet, I'll encourage you to go back and listen to it. It lays a beautiful foundation for what we are exploring today. In this second half, we shift from the personal to the systemic and relational. We talk about the patterns of self neglect we often see in therapists, coaches, and helping professionals. Many of which are partly shaped by our training, our socialization and conditioning, and the work's emotional demands on us as [00:03:00] therapists.

Hayley offers compassionate insights into burnout, shame, and the invisible cost of always being the strong one. And she shares thoughtful, practical strategies for designing work around your energy, your neurotype, and your real emotional capacity, rather than the expectations of the systems around you.

So I hope that you find this podcast episode validating, grounding and full of wisdom. If you're someone who gives a lot of yourself to others as therapists and healthcare professionals and would like to cultivate a more compassionate relationship with yourself, I hope you get something out of this episode.

And most importantly, don't forget to check out Hayley's new book, see the show notes for her website as well. [00:04:00] Let's step into part two.

Now that you have like work with so many people, across. I guess like with your clients and then eventually more with therapist and then now more with business women, what patterns you have observed? What sort of patterns of self neglect, I guess, that contribute to burnout, especially for therapists and helping professionals that might be different from the general population. 

Hayley Quinn: Look, I think in terms of helping professionals, obviously your audience is made up mainly of people in caring professions. It very much is a role that asks you to put the other first. Then when you think about, I mean, I have mainly across my career worked with women or people assigned female at birth. And as women, we are socialized [00:05:00] from a very young age as well to put other people's needs first. So if you've had that kind of socialization from a very young age, and then you go into a profession that says it's not about you, it's about your client.

You are reinforcing some of those beliefs and that narrative that we've lived under. I also think within that profession, there is a system that doesn't support individual wellbeing, which is really tricky. I'm hoping that that is changing over time. There's new competency around self-care.

My fear when that came out was that it becomes one more thing that. Practitioners will feel guilty about, or will fear fearful that actually if I'm not taking care of myself, I am now incompetent because I'm not meeting that competency. 

Poh Gan: Yeah. 

Hayley Quinn: I have some fears around that for the profession.

Poh Gan: So, okay, let's unpack that a little bit more. What would [00:06:00] you have liked the therapist to see differently. If they started to feel like, you know, if I'm not looking after myself, I'm failing as a therapist or like I'm not meeting the competencies. 

Hayley Quinn: Yeah, I think it's a really tricky one.

I think when that was rolled out, it would've been really lovely to see it rolled out with support. Not just, here's a competency, go look after yourself. I dunno, that's that helpful. Would be really nice to, to have seen that rolled out with some kind of support. But we can't always control what's happening in the bigger picture.

Right. So we need to come back to what can I control within myself? 

Poh Gan: Yeah. 

Hayley Quinn: And I think the first thing that I would say is, if people are struggling, is to acknowledge that this is not a failure. 

Poh Gan: Mm. 

Hayley Quinn: You are working in a really challenging profession. The work that you do as health professionals is hard. [00:07:00] And it's unlike a lot of other jobs. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it really is unlike a lot of other jobs. My husband and I have a building company and we. I talk a lot about the business of building houses. Yeah. We connect with our clients in a very different way. We sometimes socialize with our building clients, and I've had conversations with him where we've kind of compared when I used to be a psychologist and what it's like having a different type of job that doesn't have the regulations.

And I'm not saying these regulations aren't important. I think it's important that we keep confidentiality with client work, but what we also need to acknowledge is a lot of other people go home from work. 

Poh Gan: Yeah. 

Hayley Quinn: And they talk to their partner about their job. 

Poh Gan: Mm-hmm. 

Hayley Quinn: Or they discuss something that was challenging at work.

Poh Gan: Yeah. 

Hayley Quinn: They don't just hold it all to themselves. 

Poh Gan: Yes. 

Hayley Quinn: [00:08:00] And yes. We can have supervision and you can go and see a supervisor, but that tends to be once a month maybe. Maybe fortnightly if you're navigating something that's tricky. A lot of people who work go home and talk about their work briefly at the end of every day.

Poh Gan: Yeah, 

Hayley Quinn: Might get some support around somebody that was challenging at work or just being able to have the conversations and also have their partner. Understand what it is they do or what it is that they're talking about with their work. That doesn't get to happen in professions like psychology.

Yes, a lot of people or most people are not going to work listening to trauma stories one after the other throughout the day and then throughout the week. And I think when we're in it. We can lose sight a little bit, [00:09:00] that that's actually the nature of the work and those are some of the things that are challenging.

So then when things feel difficult, we've minimized actually how difficult the work is. So I really would say if you're struggling in this, it's not your fault. It is actually a really hard profession. Some client work obviously is more complex than others, so depending what type of work you're doing.

But I think the other thing is there's so much shame that can show up around feeling like you're not coping. I know for me, when I was registered and I was significantly burning out. I felt so much shame. I felt so inadequate. Nobody was talking about burnout back then. It felt really lonely. It felt really distressing.

And I, my hope is, and I know there are some more people starting to talk about this, I'm certainly talking about it. When people aren't discussing these kind of [00:10:00] topics frequently, it can mean that lots of people are experiencing something that everyone thinks nobody is. 

Poh Gan: Yeah. Yeah. 

Hayley Quinn: I think if you are struggling, reaching out to somebody that you trust, whether that's a colleague, whether that's a supervisor, whether that is somebody like me who kind of deals in the burnout prevention space, can be really a good first step.

Or maybe you've got a trusted GP or somebody because I do think there's a lot of fear and shame that shows up around this, which makes it then harder to move through it. 

Poh Gan: Yeah. For people to seek support and feel differently again. 

Hayley Quinn: Yeah. And if you can bring a compassionate response to yourself, which I know can be really hard for a lot of people in understanding that actually you're suffering right now and being critical of yourself and shame and feeling shame around that isn't gonna [00:11:00] help you get outta that.

If we can bring compassion and understanding and really look at what is it I'm doing and how does it make sense that perhaps I'm feeling like this, because that in itself can start to move you through that de-shaming process. 

Poh Gan: I guess there are a lot more practitioners starting to pay attention to, wellbeing and how prevalent burnout is among helping professionals. It's definitely, the more we talk about it, the more people will feel that they are not alone and there are things that we can put in place to support and to prevent that from happening and to recover from burnout as well.

Hayley Quinn: Absolutely. And understanding who you are and how you best work. 

Poh Gan: Mm. 

Hayley Quinn: And again, I recognize my privilege in this because I have been able to set my work life up in a way that I want to. And I [00:12:00] know everybody can't just do that. But if we can understand who we are and how our brains work and if you are neurodivergent, that adds at a whole other level of things, we can start to design. Our businesses or the way we work in a way that actually works for us, not against us. 

Poh Gan: Mm. 

Hayley Quinn: And that can be so important in burnout prevention. 

Poh Gan: It's almost like a work design. Like, you know work by design for us. 

Hayley Quinn: Absolutely. 

Poh Gan: So I was just thinking about, compassion, and self-compassion or compassion focused therapy. You know, there are sometimes some practitioners will feel like, theoretically they understand but then when it comes to implementation or to really embody that compassion and to be really kind to themselves or to others, I guess my question is would there be times where, helping professionals, they [00:13:00] understand, compassion on the word level, but not actually practicing. And how could they get over that hurdle? 

Hayley Quinn: And you know, when we think about compassion, it really is important to think about the three flows of compassion. As helping professionals, most people likely chosen this profession 'cause they are compassionate people.

So the flow of compassion outward to other people likely isn't a problem at all. The self-compassion piece can be something that people struggle with a lot, but also the receiving compassion from other people so that flow to yourself from someone else can be really tricky as well. And I think this is the thing that I loved about Compassion Focus therapy compared to some of the other trainings I'd done as a psychologist where that it's not an intellectual pursuit. It really does encourage you to embody the practices. Yeah. So that you can work [00:14:00] more effectively with your clients. But also the beautiful kind of side effect of that is you build this compassionate relationship with yourself. So I thought that was a total bonus. One my favorite things about CFT.

Yeah. '

Poh Gan: Cause there's a lot of, body work and there's a lot of um, imagery and like practices that helps you to actually embody them rather than inner thinking. Yeah. 

Hayley Quinn: Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, some of the training was based on method acting. So we, you know, if you don't feel like you're particularly compassionate.

To yourself. I'm not saying necessarily not a compassionate person, but compassionate to yourself. You can act as if you are, you know, as if like method actors were, you can kind of adopt this, this persona mm-hmm. And pretend to treat yourself in a compassionate way and see how that feels. And the more we practice [00:15:00] that, well, we just start to do that, don't we?

And then, you know, the guided meditations and using our imagination for things like compassionate other imagery, can be really, really helpful in that process. There's a really great book called CFT from the Inside Out, which can be good for practitioners if they are interested in compassion focused therapy, and that really does take you through all the different practices.

Again, understanding, which I think is important for lots of different types of therapy to be honest is, if we can experience it, we can have a sense of some of the things that might show up. Now, obviously not everything you experience is going to be what your client's experience, but we can have that experience of what might show up, so we are more aware of that when we are using it with clients.

Poh Gan: It's just really highlighting that, practice, practice, [00:16:00] practice. 

Hayley Quinn: Yeah. And then when you've finished practicing, practice some more. I've been learning CFT since 2013. I worked with that in my clinical practice. That was my main lens that I use for life, like Paul Gilbert will say, it's the science of being human and I think he's spot on.

It really helps us understand what it means to be humans with tricky minds. So I've been doing that 13 years and I still am in practice of this. This isn't something I think we just kinda set and forget. It really is checking in and, and I have days. You know, I used to have a very, very brutal self-critic.

I'm glad to say now that is absolutely not my default. That doesn't mean my self critic doesn't show up. But now I'm able to notice it and recognize that actually that that's a threat system activation. 

Poh Gan: Yeah. 

Hayley Quinn: So I can get curious about, okay, so what has activated my threat system and what do[00:17:00] I need to help me soothe? 'Cause if I can sue and activate my green circle 

Poh Gan: mm-hmm. 

Hayley Quinn: I can access wisdom and move forward in a way that's gonna be helpful, not harmful for me. 

Poh Gan: Yeah. Like the more you practice, the more you can be aware of that threat system showing up or that inner critic being active, more quickly. 

Hayley Quinn: Yeah.

Poh Gan: Was there a particular practice that is the most significant for you in terms of how you show up for yourself? 

Hayley Quinn: I think for me, soothing rhythm breathing, learning how to really regulate my nervous system, I found soothing rhythm breathing, really helpful and really simple.

It's like breathe in and out with equal breaths. Slow down your breath and breathe in and out with equal breaths. It's very simple practice. Not to say it's an easy practice because when I first started doing that, I did not want to be, slowing down and being [00:18:00] in connection with myself. So that took practice and time, and then also the compassionate imagery.

But one of the things that I found helpful, and I made this a suggestion in the book, there's eight meditations in the book. And you can use a QR code. I will guide you through that meditation, but I've also included all of the scripts. 

Poh Gan: Yes. 

Hayley Quinn: And I put in the book that you might like to record yourself.

Poh Gan: Yes. 

Hayley Quinn: I make it like reading it so that you can play it back to yourself. And the reason I did that was I actually did that a few times for myself early on because it helped me listen to a compassionate voice that was actually mine. Rather than listening to other people's compassionate voice, which was also helpful, but it was this thing of like, oh, actually I could hear myself being compassionate to myself and [00:19:00] that that was really helpful for me.

So I put that in the book. 'cause I was like, well, if it was helpful for me, maybe it would be helpful for somebody else. But then there's also the option that you can just use the QR code and I'll guide you in the meditations as well. 

Poh Gan: I thought that was brilliant to be able to have both options and, I think hearing ourselves, it's like internalizing that external voice of like how kindly you speak to yourself and then it becomes the internal voice insight, isn't it?

Hayley Quinn: Yeah. Because the script gives you the words that you perhaps wouldn't use for yourself. 

Poh Gan: Yeah. Yeah. I really some of the reframing from the threat base and to the compassionate base and then the reasoning behind as well. There are some of the examples that you gave that was really good too.

There are so many beautiful chapters about how. It encapsulates your journey and also how like people [00:20:00] reading can actually go through that process with your support, with your voice, and then going through their own journey as well. I like the later part where you talk about how to do it differently and find that new way of being. I didn't realize that self actually has that acronym 

Hayley Quinn: Yeah. 

Poh Gan: Start where you are, explore the possibilities, learn to do it differently, and find a new way of being. Is it something that you come up with yourself? 

Hayley Quinn: Yeah, absolutely. I think that's my autistic brain was like, Ooh, how can we make this into a little acronym?

But what I wanted, I really did want it to be, a bit of a journey for people and an experience like that because it's one thing understanding something, but then we need to. I kind of think, okay, well what next? Then I didn't want to kind of leave people with, well, here's some information.

This is why I think [00:21:00] things are happening, but now you're on your own. I really wanted to kind of help guide people through the different kind of phases, and when I got to the end of it, I was like, you know, it's, it's not gonna be helpful for everybody. Nothing ever is, but I think it will be helpful for many people.

And I really do believe that if you start reading the book and you engage with the book, there's lots of reflective questions in there. And like I said, the meditations and you get to the end of the book, I truly believe something will have changed for you. 

Poh Gan: And that's the thing about when you actually practice and actually integrate and reflect and something would have changed.

Yeah.

I guess you just finished your book launch and there's a lot of things happening right now and coming back and what did you learn about yourself, and then also like what does rest look like for you?

Now that [00:22:00] you have done the work and you are still really busy, like you are actively, doing something that are meaningful for you. And values aligned for you. So how do you, deal with the demands at the same time still providing a lot of rest for yourself.

Hayley Quinn: Yeah. So I'll start with saying, everybody looks at me and says, oh my gosh, you're really busy, and I always say, I'm actually not. And that's very intentional. So what's important to understand for me is I do a lot of different things. 

Poh Gan: Yeah. 

Hayley Quinn: But I don't do lots of each of them. 

Poh Gan: Okay. 

Hayley Quinn: Also, I have a brain that processes very fast.

Poh Gan: Mm-hmm. 

Hayley Quinn: When I need to get something done, I can get things done really quite quickly. So whilst it looks like I'm really busy, I wouldn't want people thinking that I'm [00:23:00] doing like hours and hours and hours of work every day because I'm not, and that's because I can work in a way where I don't have to.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. So. I'm very intentional about not filling my days a lot because I know I'll get too tired. I make time in my diary for like, I've just started going to the gym. I'm in my midlife. Realizing the importance of strength-based training and all those sort of things. So I've carved out time to make sure I'm going to the gym.

Now, I know that because I'm doing that, that uses spoons for me and I get tired. So on those days, I don't factor in too much. 

I have been traveling. I think I talk about this in the book, I do what I call front loading self-care. Like if I know that I've got a busier than normal period, I will make sure that I'm getting plenty of rest, that I'm not booking a lot of things in my [00:24:00] calendar. The same for when I get back as well.

So this week I'm back from Melbourne. I've really only got a few things in my diary that I absolutely have to attend to. And other things will either get moved or I just wouldn't put them in for that time. But that, that again is I'm forever reviewing that. I was just having a conversation with my husband actually this morning.

So driving back from the gym and. I'm constantly reviewing how much is enough and how much is too much for me. 'cause I also know I have a brain that's very curious. I like learning, I like doing things. I had a reminder of a dear friend that I've known for many, many years who came to my Brisbane book Launch.

" I'm not surprised you've done this." She knew me when my son was very young. I was a single mom, and she said, " You are always achieving something and moving on to the next thing." I'm more mindful now that I [00:25:00] can't just achieve quickly, move on. I very much value celebrating what we've done.

I talk about that in the book as well. Yes, taking time to slow down and honor what we have done. And that I don't have to keep jumping to the next shiny thing, but that can be hard. I've got ADHD. I love shiny things. 

Poh Gan: Yeah, I was gonna say how do you do it holding yourself from jumping to the next thing?

Hayley Quinn: Because I check in with myself 

Poh Gan: Aww.. 

Hayley Quinn: And I'll say to myself, oh look, shiny thing. Okay, if I'm gonna do that thing, what is motivating that? Mm. And sometimes in this world of social media and everything else, it can be, oh, well, other people are doing that. Maybe I should be doing that. Mm. And if I hear myself say that, I'm like, nah, that is not for me.

Yeah. I'm not here to prove myself to anybody. I'm not here to prove anything to [00:26:00] myself. I'm 56 years old now. I think I'm like, I've done some good stuff. I want to continue to do things, but they need to be values aligned. They need to be sustainable, and I cannot lose sight of myself in it.

I've done that before and it was to my detriment. So it's coming back to me and why do I want to do this? What will this mean? Or if I do want to do this extra thing, is there something I can put down for the moment, like when I wanted to write the book? I was gonna run my group online coaching program, in March or April, and I started writing the book in March and I made the decision, well, if I'm gonna start the book, I'm not going to be running the group coaching program. 'Cause I wanna focus on the book. 

Poh Gan: Yeah. Yeah. 

Hayley Quinn: And if I'm doing the group coaching, I wanna be able to focus on them. 

Poh Gan: Yeah. Yeah. 

Hayley Quinn: And not be distracted, like, I don't wanna be in that position. 

Poh Gan: It [00:27:00] sounds like you have, intentionally created more space around you that allows you to really focus and you've mastered the skills of letting go.

And not attached to like, you know, I need to do a lot. And there is also, this piece of, you're doing all of these things not to prove your self-worth, but like you already have that self-worth really affirmed and really anchored, which is a beautiful way of,

leading your life from that anchored space, isn't it? 

Hayley Quinn: It feels so much better. And that's not to say that I don't have days where I feel crap and, and you know, maybe think I will take on more things or realize that there's too many things in my diary, but I do try and then look at it and remedy it.

I'm certainly not perfect at this and I don't strive to be either. And that's where compassion comes in because when I don't get it right the way I want it to go, or I [00:28:00] do overdo it and I exhaust myself, which thankfully isn't often, I'll be about that. 

Poh Gan: Yeah. 

Hayley Quinn: There's been certain things with the book, like I have to.

If I want the book to get into people's hands, I have to market the book. I have to be promoting it. I have to do things around that. And it's been a lot, I've run three book events. I've been on different podcasts. I've been doing different marketing things. But I keep coming back to, okay, how am I feeling?

In the next week or so, I'm gonna be taking some time off because I just, I'm just like, okay, just gonna take some time off and take a breather. And then come back to it. And again, I recognize my privilege. I can do that. Not everybody can do that, but we can all check in with ourselves.

Assuming we have, no issues with breathing, we can take some soothing breaths during the day. We can make sure we've [00:29:00] got a glass of water so we're not dehydrating during a client session, those kind of things. So I think that we can all do small things even if we can't do the bigger things.

Poh Gan: And it sounds like, from what you're sharing so far, Hailey, you do provide service to other people and it's still really close to your heart and your values, but you no longer. Throwing yourself under the bus, but you're leading and taking her next to you with you all the time and checking in like a good partner.

You know, working like you are benefiting other people, but at the same time, you are holding yourself really dearly. Intentionally with care and compassion, that's really absolutely nice. Yeah, 

Hayley Quinn: well, one of my values is service to others, but not to the detriment of myself.

Like, I'm not gonna cram in people in the day if I haven't got space or, you know, on a day that I reserved for doing something [00:30:00] else. Like I think the boundaries that we hold for ourselves, both externally and the internal boundaries are really important as well. 

Poh Gan: That's really beautiful. I'm mindful of the time.

So I probably will have to wrap up now and I usually ask the guests this question, if there is one seat that you can plant in the listen's mind to help them to go from, self neglect or, focusing on, being compassionate to other people, but now. Wanting to practice self compassion, what would that be?

What would be the first gentle step in order for them to do that now or today? 

Hayley Quinn: Given that the relationship with yourself is the longest relationship you will ever have in your entire life, what do you want that relationship to look like? And if you want it to be different to how it is.[00:31:00]

How do you want it to be different? I always say to people, please never lose sight of how much you matter. And then come back and check in with yourself, asking yourself, what is it that I need and is there a way that I can offer that to myself?

Poh Gan: That's really beautiful. Feel myself, like really soften and like, you know, there's this like warmth in my heart as you are talking about that it's just like, yes, it is like really holding our inner child, that younger version of ourself really dearly. And I feel like it's really empowering even though compassion sounds soft and gentle. But when you're embodying that, it actually to some extent makes you [00:32:00] more brave and more courageous, isn't it? 

Hayley Quinn: Absolutely. I think that's a real misconception, that compassion is kind of soft and fluffy and it's just about being nice and kind. At the heart of compassion is courage. It's about courage and strength and wisdom and it can be absolutely life changing.

And I say that because it has been absolutely life changing for me. I'll be forever grateful to Professor Paul Gilbert for the work that he's done throughout his lifetime. And that I've had the privilege of being able to learn about that as well. 'cause it's just been made such a difference.

Poh Gan: I love it. Cool. Thank you so much for your time and your presence and your wisdom today. So if listeners would like to know more about your work, where can they find you? 

Hayley Quinn: Either at my website, drhayleydquinn.com, or I'm on social media. Instagram, Facebook and LinkedIn under Dr. Haley D. Quinn as well.

And then also my [00:33:00] podcast. Welcome to Self. 

Poh Gan: I'll have to check that out too. And thank you so much. I'll put that in the show notes and thank you very much for being here with me and I wish you all the best with your book launch. 

Hayley Quinn: Thank you so much for having me. It's been an absolute pleasure. See you.

Poh Gan: I hope this episode offered you not only insight, but also permission. Permission to rest, to set kinder boundaries, to listen to your body and to design a life and work rhythm that feels sustainable for who you are.

As we close our practice for today, I want to thank you for sharing this time. If this episode resonated with you, the most meaningful way to support the podcast is to share it, share it with a colleague, or live a review [00:34:00] on Apple Podcast or Spotify. It helps our community to reach other people who need it.

Until next time. Keep your heart open, keep your mind clear and steady. Go be your amazing self as you awaken yourself and others.

See you next time.

Just a gentle reminder that our conversation today is for inspiration and education only. It's not a substitute for therapy or clinicals supervision and our time together doesn't constitute a therapeutic relationship.