Black Girl Diagnosed - Dr Kay Coghill

In this episode of Black Girl Diagnosed, we’re joined by Dr. KáLyn “Kay” Coghill, an AuDHD educator, activist, and advocate whose work focuses on digital misogynoir, online gender-based violence, and protecting Black communities in digital spaces.

Kay shares their experiences navigating academic and professional spaces as a neurodivergent Black person, what it means to practice harm reduction online, and why creating safer internet spaces for Black women, girls, and non-binary people is so important. We also discuss their mid-30s diagnosis journey and how understanding their neurodivergence reshaped the way they see themselves and move through the world.

This conversation is powerful, timely, and deeply necessary  exploring the intersections of race, disability, technology, and safety in a world where Black neurodivergent voices are too often targeted and overlooked.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:16

Welcome to Black O Diagnose and Happy Autism Acceptance Month. Today we're joined by Dr. Kay, an Aud award-winning educator, activist, and practitioner whose work centers protecting black communities in digital spaces. Kay is an outspoken advocate addressing online gender-based violence as a disability rising fellow and community safety and support steward for Black Sky algorithms. They work to create safer, more inclusive online environments through research, content moderation, and harm reduction strategies. Through their work with digital presence, Kay is deeply committed to protecting black women, girls, and non-binary people while building online communities rooted in safety, care, and justice. Thank you so much, Kay, for joining us today on Black Girl Diagnose.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

Thanks for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Yes, we're excited to have you. This is a really interesting episode and a really interesting topic that I haven't spoken to anybody else about before and I haven't heard a lot about. So um I'm really happy and honored that you can join us. So we'll just get right into things. Um you've done important work around the digital massaginar. How does this specifically impact black autistic women and non-binary people online?

SPEAKER_00 1:32

Yeah, so from massage noir, for folks who may not be familiar, listening is the anti-black sexism and racism that black women and gender expansive people experience. Um it's similar to misogyny, but the noir um makes it for us clearly. And just I think and we experience it more, obviously, and there's more consequences for what we experience. So I look at it in the digital space, and as someone who is um late diagnoses, um one thing that I can say is that a lot of um black women and non-binary and gender expansive people who are autistic tend to be misunderstood a lot in the digital space. And I think that when it comes to digital massage noir, black women and femme presenting people, um, a lot of our the ways that we show up in the world are questioned a lot anyway. And I think that once people find out that we're autistic or we start talking about being a person with autism and on the spectrum, um, people may try to use that as an opportunity to like not only be ableists, but like make us feel like we were lying or um attribute that specifically to the angry black woman stereotype or those types of things. And um I've noticed that in my work alone, because I am autistic, um I talk very matter-of-factly. So a lot of times as someone who's considered outspoken, um, I have noticed that there are people who will take what I've said and like twist it, or I will even say like, I am autistic. So if I'm saying this in a way that maybe feels like brash or harsh, I do want you to keep that in mind. But what I'm telling you is like what my experience is, um, it gets downplayed a lot. Or I also think that like people don't necessarily talk about how many black women um are, you know, on the spectrum and either have been diagnosed or they are um thinking that their particular um you know different abilities are because they are black women um and not because they're neurodivergent. And I think that also comes through how autism and particularly how black women are talked about online.

SPEAKER_01 3:56

Yeah, I I totally agree. Um I don't think people understand how, you know, be you know, being autistic, you would think that it would be autism spaces would be safe for black women, but a lot of people don't understand that autism spaces aren't safe for black women and you know, me, some of the most racist people that I have encountered online have been autistic, and I and I always say I'm like you don't get a pass for being racist just because you're autistic.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

Yeah, and I agree, and I think that that is something that we're also seeing a lot coming up, like in the news with folks with other disabilities, is that like black women in particular and black women with disabilities, we are expected to allow people to treat us poorly no matter what. And if they have a disability, we're not able, we're not allowed to hold them accountable. And even if we're like I too have said disability and you're treating me this way, I feel like they still default to, especially if it's like a white man, they still default to the people who are seen as like actual, like really neurodivergent, and that we're just like, I don't know, it almost makes it feel sometimes like they make it seem like we're weaponizing the fact that we are neurodivergent, like we're using it as a yes, people definitely do that. Yeah, and I don't think that's the case because I think that it's important for us to be able to talk about it and also explain how like how that impacts how we interact with people and also how people interact with us. Right. Um, and they get away with it. And I think it's unfair.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

It is, and um like that is like everything you said is so true. And I had an encounter with somebody on YouTube who was like, um, you know, I was speaking about how autism presents differently in black women even in our meltdowns and even in being overstimulated and even in stemming. And you know, some white lady, um I don't know if she was autistic or not, but she was like, Oh, well, you know, I hope black women aren't gonna start using autism as an excuse to start being loud and mean and rude. And I was just like, Wow, well, you just said a lot about yourself just from those few sentences that you left in this comment. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 6:05

Yeah, and she already has a narrative written in her head that black women are loud, mean, and rude. Exactly. And also like, I'm autistic, but I'm can also be loud, mean, and rude on purpose. Like, I I also think that's another thing that like they think that black women with autism, like we don't have control over like like we like sometimes like when we are being firm that we're not being intentional with it, they're like, oh, you know, they're autistic, so maybe they just said it that way. But sometimes it's like, no, I'm telling you exactly how I feel, autistic or not, and you still are not taking me seriously. And you saying that, oh, I hope they don't try to use that excuse for being loud, mean, and rude is basically just saying that it don't matter if I got autism or not, you automatically have already decided who I am stereotypes.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

The way her tone and everything. I was like, wow, you're you're just a little racist who found your way onto my page. That's why you're blocked.

unknown 7:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

Navigating um academic spaces can be challenging. So how has your experience as a neurodivergent person um shaped the way you move through those environments?

SPEAKER_00 7:16

Yeah, so I got diagnosed with ADHD in autism when I was in my doctoral program. So I didn't get diagnosed until I was in my 30s um and then almost in my mid-30s. So I spent most of my like K through 12 undergrad and masters thinking that like I never thought I was normal. That wasn't a problem, just like knowing that like it felt things just felt exponentially harder. And when I got into my doc program, I knew that I needed to like really push with like my psychiatrist and therapist about like maybe I do need like a first like an ADHD like evaluation because like I couldn't read for longer than like 25 minutes, and in a doc program, you have to do a lot of reading, and I was like, I'm not gonna be able to get through this. And I was like, the words are jumping on the page. That's how I described it because I was like, I have to figure out how to like describe this, and um luckily like my therapist teams and stuff are black women, so like they weren't like, oh well, maybe it's this and maybe that, like they were helpful, but um I did have to wait until I got like my official ADHD um diagnoses in order to be able to get accommodations at my school. And like my psychiatrist had to basically like say, because they have ADHD, they need extensions and stuff like that. And then I got diagnosed with autism later on, and my therapist for years had been talking to me about going to see this neuropsychologist in our city who like you know works with adults, diagnosed adults, and I was just like, Oh, well, maybe it's not this, maybe it's just trauma, this, and we're doing all this trauma work, and she's like, Okay, yeah, friend, certain things are not trauma related, like it you may just be on the spectrum, and that's fine. Um, and I think that I wish I would have listened to her sooner um when I was in my doc program because I think it would have saved me a lot of like confusions around like relationship building, which was an issue for me, feeling very like um I found a lot of times where I felt like I just didn't belong in the space. Um obviously because like I'm black, but also like I come from a different like economic background, so I'm like poor, and then like also I'm disabled physically, um, and I have mental health issues. So I would be in these spaces and it would feel like I had never had to go to so many conferences before. Um, I felt like so overstimulated that I would be exhausted, like I would do my presentation, have to go back to my hotel room and like stay. I didn't go to like any of the happy hours and stuff. Like I was very like isolating myself. Um and I was just like, okay, I should definitely go see the neuropsychologist. Um, and he was great, he was very helpful. Um, but I would say that like unfortunately, it didn't really change the way that I feel like other people in interact with me in academia, especially people who I'm not close to, um, or people who are honestly don't like doesn't like the way that I show up. And also because I am autistic, I think that also like I don't think I think that a lot of people struggle with giving me grace like they give other people um because they think that, oh, well you, you know, you got a PhD, you did this, or like you're in school, you're doing well, but it's like I still need accommodations, I still need support, I still need to be able to ask questions, I still need these particular things. And I don't think that there were a lot of spaces for me specifically where I had that opportunity to get that.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

Yeah, and and you know, I I always say this, I'm like, you know, black women, we don't black autistic women, we don't get the the grace that everybody else gets. And so, you know, the fact that you touched on that, that's really important for people to know. Um, so your work centers black feminism and harm reduction. Can you um share with our audience what harm reduction looks like in digital spaces and why it's so necessary right now?

SPEAKER_00 11:20

Yeah, so um black feminism is something that I always kind of knew about, but I really, really learned about it. Um, I want to say like understood more about it in like 2014. Um, and that was like the theory and stuff that I used in my master's program, and I really just continued to read and read about it. And as I read about it, a lot of the stuff that I was reading was literally just talking about the amount of like the hist like the amount of harm and like the historical backing of like how black women have been harmed and like how we can like protect ourselves and like you know what to look out for and like how the world views us, which I think was really helpful. And then when it came to the harm reduction piece, I had experienced um extreme um digital massage noir online harassment when I used to be on Twitter, um, which like kind of like really pushed the first leg of my research um in like the 2010s, and that experience made me wonder like how are people protecting themselves? Because like in 2014, you know, ish, there were like even if you reported somebody or something like that, it didn't really matter. Um, and I saw it happening to celebrities and stuff like that. So I was just really interested in like how are black women and films and and gender expansive people, how are we like protecting ourselves? Because we can't really depend on certain social media platforms to do that for us. So for me, like when I think about harm reduction in digital spaces, a lot of that can look like clapping back, right? So I wrote about that a lot in my dissertation, like this idea of like, and you know, as black women we know what a clapback is, but like the idea of like someone says something to you and you kind of like check them or hold them accountable, right? Um, it can look like intervening. So if you see another black woman being attacked, like coming in to support her, asking her how you can help her, you know, mass reporting the accounts. Um, it can look like being careful not to put where you're going in real time, right? I know a lot of people like to do that. Um, and you know, I've learned a lot to not put certain things on the internet to protect myself. Um, and then it also looks like a lot of the work that I'm doing now with Black Sky algorithms is like actually creating tools to like label and moderate like Massage Noir and anti-blackness online and stuff like that, and like creating workshops and things like that to tell people like how to how to protect yourself online is basically like what the harm reduction looks like. And I think that um because of harm online, some people don't take it seriously, but we see now with all those black women who were killed recently that like the way that people talk about black women online, even when they're being murdered by their husbands or whomever, like is a is a direct form of harm. And like there's no protection from that.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Yeah, it's just it's disgusting.

SPEAKER_00 14:12

Yeah, it really is. And I think that for me the harm reduction is like the innovative part, like how are we protecting ourselves? Because we've always had to protect ourselves, no one has ever protected us.

SPEAKER_01 14:22

Yeah, exactly. And what you said about not putting where where you are online, like me, I'm so funny about that. And you know, and and I'm not even like you know, famous, but I'm still I'm like, well, you know, I have strangers following me on social media. You don't know what they're going through in their life, you don't know what ill feelings they might have towards you, even though you don't even know that they exist. So I am really funny about like what I put on social media. Um I c I covered an event um a couple weeks ago and you know I I didn't even really put a lot of information up about it because I was like, well I don't want no nobody, you know, no psychopath to to meet me there. Yeah, um, you know, as someone who's been going to protest and for against police brutality and f just for the the better to better the lives of, you know, black people and the way we're treated in society since I was six years old. I've had security since I was six years old because of that because I got my first death threat when I was six years old. So this was like, you know, as a millennial, this was like before we even started getting on social media. So I'm really funny about putting things um online and the fact that you pointed that out is important because I I did I tried to tell speak to people about that before about being careful and being mindful and they were like, oh well, it I I wanna somebody I want people to know. I was like, okay, you know, you don't have to listen to me, but I'm just, you know, taking safety measures. But um to go back to your um diagnosis, being diagnosed in your 30s, um, how did receiving a later in life diagnosis shift your understanding of um of yourself and your work?

SPEAKER_00 16:08

Yeah, so when I got the diet, because they did a full what I really liked about this neuropsychologist, he did a full psyche bow because I had um one of my like mutuals online supernova mama was the reason why I actually like went through with the diet, like going to the nurse neuropsychologist because Natasha. Yes, she was talking to someone, it was a long time ago on Twitter, and she was talking, like someone was talking about like I they said I had bipolar too, but I actually am autistic. And I was like, wait a damn minute, they also told me that too, and stuff got worse. So I told him about that. He was like, Okay, we want to do a full psyche valve because he was like, you know, sometimes when black women in particular are autistic or neurodivergent, people who are not paying attention to that because it shows up differently, diagnose us in our 20s as bipolar too or borderline personality disorder, like these certain things that are actually just like other diagnoses coupled with being neurodivergent, that's how it shows up. So um when he did the psyche valve, there were some things on there that I was like, okay, I knew I had that, I knew I had that. Um, and then um when I got the autism diagnosis, I think the main thing for me, and I had started doing like a video series and stuff like that when I was putting stuff on my YouTube and I had my personal Instagram, and I was just talking about how like it was more of a like uh a comfort for me than like what I think it would be for other people who would find out because it forced me to be gentle with myself like I am with other people who are autistic, right? Or other people who um learn differently and stuff like that. Like I've always been very like mindful of how I always treated other folks who you know have different abilities. So it like it was affirming, but it was also like a it felt like it felt like you know an aha moment of like, oh, so now you don't have an excuse to treat yourself bad or to talk to yourself badly about the things that you do different. Um because like there's nothing wrong with you. You're autistic. And like literally it was just kind of like it was like a light switch went off in my head, and I was like, and everything I could think about for my entire life that I constantly like was very critical of within my own self, even if I didn't say it out loud, were literally things that I did or actions that I had because I'm autistic. So I was just thinking to myself, like, there is so much like like mental health things and like so much like self-harm and stuff that I have done to myself before getting my diagnosis, that getting my diagnosis was like affirming, but it was also like okay, now that we've affirmed this and we have the diagnoses, can we actually stop treating ourselves the way that we were treating ourselves?

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Yeah, well, like that. Oh, I I feel you because um when I got diagnosed, I I I was kind of like in denial about it. So it took me a little while to accept it. But once I once I accepted it, like I I feel like when I was just like, you know, not wanting to come to terms with it, I felt like I was torturing myself. But then when I came to terms with it, like life just became better and I actually started to feel like okay, well, this is what living is supposed to feel like. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:45

Yeah, yeah. I think that that was the the best part of it, honestly, is that it it made me be gentle with myself. Um which like you shouldn't have to wait for a diagnosis to get that, but I do think that like as black women and films and stuff, like we have a lot of pressure on us, there's a lot of violence coming at us, and I think that like it feels normal to blame yourself for everything that you do, even if it's something that's literally out of your control. Um, so I think that that kind of just confirmed to me that I need to be gentle with myself, and then also it forced me to like be very vocal about it. Like, I don't care who I'm talking to. Like, if I feel like it's appropriate appropriate for me in that moment to say, like, oh I oh yeah, I don't know if you know this, but like I'm autistic and I have ADHD because I think that that also can shift the conversation when I'm talking to someone, and it makes me comfortable to not have to mask. So I will say, like, I'm really bad with social cues, and so I don't bite the inside of my mouth as a form of self-harm that I used to do. I'm just gonna mute myself, but I don't want you to think I'm not listening to you. I just don't want to talk over you, or I carry notebooks with me so I can write down when I have like these thoughts, and I have OCD too, so like and like impulsive like thinking. So being autistic, you already don't say what you want to say anyway.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

I know I do.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

I know someone's like, and I have yet to meet, I have yet to meet someone yet, really of any age, which is so funny to me. Like I meet like little kids who have been diagnosed with autism, and like I'm talking to their parents and stuff, because they'll see my little sunflower lanyard in the airport. I'm talking to the parents and the kids, and they're like, oh no, no, no, you know, when you diagnose, I said, No, when I was in my 30s, and like they're like, we're just talking about funny stuff that their kids do. And I was like, I do it too. And they was like, and they were like, you know, they always say that kids tell you the truth, and then one lady was like, My son is like in his 20s now, and he still does that. And I know that's because he's autistic, and she was like, It's just very funny because like he's saying it matter of factly, he's not trying to be rude, and she was like, and she was like, He's an accountant. She was like, you know, he works in corporate, but like because he, you know, is that. point now where he's been accepted and he feels comfortable he don't mind telling people like hey I don't know what's gonna come out of my mouth so I need to go go on you and that's what I had to learn how to do is like remove myself when I feel like I need to mask like if I feel like I'm going to have to mask in order to connect with someone I will just blurt out I'm autistic so this might be everybody everybody knows that I am everybody knows I have a fucking potty mouth and yeah sometimes my dad be looking at me he he knows he warns people yeah um because you never know what's gonna fly out of my mouth and I've always been that way one of my aunts was like oh you were such a you were such a bad little girl nobody knew what to do with you and I was like to her very respectfully I was like well actually I wasn't bad I'm I was just autistic and nobody knew and that shut her up right away but it yeah like I and people laugh sometimes like when I'm speaking but I'm not trying to be funny I'm just I'm just being honest I hate that because it's like like I'm a Libra so I always call myself like the Bernie Mac because Bernie Mac was a Libra too and I say like people think that I'm like trying to be funny like you said but I am dead serious like my best friend like once my friends like I told them like okay I got my official autism diagnoses like my very best friends like nothing switched for them they were like okay like we just thought you was a wild boy like you just said whatever you said and they were like one you do say whatever it is you want to say we do know that but also sometimes it is the autism so it's so cute like my friends will be like now what you just said about that person that just walked past us who was in charge and I said that wasn't the autism that time it was it that was I said because the autism would have said baby it's not even you don't even gotta say that so like I think that like that's fun but like people that don't know me like my best one I say like you have always told people that like I am not your friend and then when I say that people laugh they think that I'm joking with them and I'm like no if I don't call you my friend you're not my friend.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

Yeah I'm the same way and I know like sometimes people you that can come off as me being standoffish or snobby or whatever people want to call me. So I I get that a lot so I definitely understand.

SPEAKER_00 24:17

Yeah yeah I just say I run a strict program.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

That's not also my new thing to go to I'm like nothing wrong with that nothing wrong with protecting your peace protecting your boundaries and if you just somebody everybody's not your cup of tea so you know I don't I don't apologize for that if I'm sorry if I don't like you but um I feel that for those um experiencing harm or harassment online what are some ways people can protect themselves while still being able to show up authentically yeah I think the first thing that I like to tell folks um is that how you protect yourself and what you're comfortable with will change.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

So like I used to be an oversharer online and then my following got really really big every platform I went to and it got to a point where I felt like people were entitled to me and I didn't like that feeling. So I deleted my personal account and now I just have my like small hood rat scholarship account and it has like less than 700 people which is great for me. And I don't follow as many people I think also that another thing that kind of helped with like me understanding like how harm reduction can change for you because for me that's a form of harm reduction where I can't I can limit how much information people have about me and limit what they can talk to me about.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

I understand that part I mean I didn't know that it was harm reduction but I I have um unfollowed a lot of people because I kind of want to curate what I see and know what I'm feeding my mind and what I'm taking in because you know at one point and probably a little bit right now too Instagram is a little bit overstimulating for me. So you know I don't I don't open it up and I see something I get triggered. So it's just like I try to be like very careful about what I'm seeing and who's in my feed. Only thing is now they have that repost button which is great for some things when it's like sometimes people are sharing things that you don't want to see or sharing people that you don't want to see. Exactly that that is um that's very you know affirming to me to know that that you know I'm I'm protecting myself I'm not just following so thank you for that.

SPEAKER_00 26:24

Yeah and I was gonna give one more that people don't realize is also a part of that is like proactively blocking people and limiting their access to you on time. So you can show up. So like I know people like using the close friends that's an option but you can also like make it to where like certain people can't see certain stuff even if they are following you you can stop them from leaving comments on stuff you can like you could do all types of things to like prevent people who you know have harmed you in the past or has a history of harming people from even being able to know you exist. So I think that that is like one of the big ways especially because like for neurodivergent people I think a lot of us are finding community online. So I would never say like oh don't share stuff about yourself online especially if you're trying to build community but also be proactive and if you see something that you don't like that makes you uncomfortable you have the right to like pre-block that person or that thing so that way you don't get harmed. So if you see someone who's constantly attacking black women you should probably just block them so they never find this black woman on whatever social media site you're on.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

Right and like right now because I I had a post I don't know if you saw the post that I put up about um Mattel and the autistic Barbie but um it kind of went viral overnight. So I woke up to a lot of people who weren't following me but they were leaving hateful comments on the posts. So since that happened because it gave me all types of anxiety um but but I I will give somebody a good read but it was still just like overwhelming. So what I have now I have like I have to be following you and then you or you have to be following me to leave a comment and then I also have like interactions limited where you can't just follow me then comment. You have to be like following for a couple days at least to comment because you know some people are so hateful they'll follow you just to comment and unfollow. So we're not gonna have none of that over here. So I I have done that you know every week Instagram asks do you want to um open your interact and I'm like nope remind me in seven days and I'm just gonna leave it the way it is now because it's just so more peaceful not having you know that hateful energy in your space and in your orbit. So thank you for sharing those tips with everybody. Do you have any recent projects or ideas, stories that you'd like to share?

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Yeah um so I do want to share that I uh the work that I've been doing now which is really like a big passion of mine it's not like my full-time work because I do a lot of contracting stuff is through Black Sky algorithms and um for those who are listening um Black Sky algorithms is like a social media um third place and it's on an open network. So that basically means that like people can like create their own communities and feeds and things like that. So if you are looking for spaces where there can be more like a curated experience um and you want to be around more people that look like you black sky dot community um non-black people can join but they have like different handles than the black people and they can't join the feed and there's like certain features that we are going to be building out that are just for black people. So that and then also just um I am always very open to just knowing about what other people are doing. So like I like your podcast and I'll try to keep up with other people's information and stuff like that. But through my yeah but through my disability rising fellows I've been able to publish an op-ed on in essence a couple like last February I think in a February and it talked about um digital massage noir and AI and how the government had been you had used AI to like alter this black woman's photo um and they posted and how like that could be really dangerous. So that's some of the recent stuff that I've done um that people can like tap into and stuff that I'm working on. I don't do a lot of content like I used to like my TikTok is like private now I haven't been on there in months and I don't really post a lot of oh it's not the same ever since it was sold to America it sucks.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

Okay. I post something on there I used to get thousands of views I'll post a video and it's just like it get like if I'm lucky if we get a hundred views. So now I'm just kind of there at a habit or I just don't because I did build community over there. But it's it's not the same you're not missing nothing.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

Yeah yeah so I don't post as much content as I used to but I do um like post a lot of my projects like on my website and then my hood right scholarship page so um but those are like the two main things that I've done recently.

SPEAKER_01 31:01

Okay that all that's that's all amazing and it sounds great and I have to make sure that I'm following you you know when I get on I have a bad habit of um getting on Instagram and just sharing my stuff and then just getting right back off because like yeah I get like a little overwhelmed so I'm like let me just post my shit and then I'm gonna get right back off but that'd be me I literally post and go I've been doing that for so long on social media websites like I would just talk to myself in rapid concession and then I'll leave and then I'll come back and I'll have all these notifications and I'm like what is this from and I'm like oh yeah and then I try to look I try to thank people who shared it so you know I'm trying to be a little bit more social on social media as well. What do you want people to know and take away from this interview?

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Yeah that like autistic black women and thems are on the internet and just like we see other neurotypical um black women being harmed we're experiencing the harm too and that um people need to be mindful of how they speak about black women especially black women who are newly diagnosed or just starting to explore their neurodivergence and like extend them some grace like y'all extend everybody else because we're navigating something that is seen as non-existent in our own community. So it can be very isolating it can be very scary and getting on the internet and being attacked for being something that your own community is still wrestling with is like very harmful and unfair. Right, right thank you um where can everyone find you yeah so they can find me at kaylincoghill dot com and that's K-A-L-Y-N-C-O-G-H-I-L-L dot com they can follow me on Instagram at hoodratscholarship which is h-o-o-d r s c o l-ar s h-i p and that's also a website hoodratscholarship.com um yeah and I'm on LinkedIn my first and last name Caitlin Coghill and if you are on black sky or blue sky you can look for me on theirs just type in dr kaylin coghill and my name should pop up thank you thank you so much um for sharing your powerful journey and especially your wisdom with us today I know this wasn't something that I was very familiar with but I learned a lot and I'm appreciative for the information and to our listeners thank you for tuning in to Black Girl Diagnose again happy autism acceptance month awareness month whatever you acknowledge and remember to our listeners your support means everything and until next time take care and keep advocating with love