No child left behind !!!!!

Join Cheryl and Michelle as we discuss the differences between Mothers and Fathers leaving their kids behind. Is one really worse than the other?? Are mothers looked down on for deciding they do not want to be mothers?? We also talk about the stigma in the black community of going to a psychiatrist….. We are not crazy !!  Are girlfriends required to do wifely duties?? What do you think? 

Michelle fills us in on the politics of this world. Please feel free to write us at Row5offtheclockpodcast@yahoo.com with any topic suggestions and feedback. Please write in with any dilemmas you would like to be discussed on the show, emails will remain anonymous if needed. We would love to share our point of view with you.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:01

Welcome, welcome, welcome to another episode of Roll Five Off the Clock. I'm Cheryl Poison. I'm here with Michelle. What's up, Michelle? Hey. How are you today? I am good. Good. Wanna just hop right on into it? Let's do it. All right. Well, our first topic is I was wondering, is there a difference when a mother leaves her kids than when a father leaves the kids?

SPEAKER_01 0:28

Um, well, I think that people think there is a difference. I think they look at it differently as well for different reasons. Um for me, I think it's been normalized kind of that when a father leaves it's okay. Yeah, that people are are less likely to be I mean they still don't like to look down at it, but it's more normal.

SPEAKER_02 0:55

Right. I say that.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Right. And but when a mother does it, I think they think of her as a really bad person. Like she must be a terrible person. And I don't, I don't think that. For me, a lot of times when I think about it, I look at if she's not handling it, if she doesn't want it, um I would rather she walk away. Yeah. I don't want her to feel tied, you know. For me, my my son was was something I had been looking forward to since I was young. And when he did finally come, I was I was really, really happy. Sick as a dog, but happy that he was coming and really happy when he got here. And I feel like if there's someone who's feeling the exact opposite of that when their child comes, I think it's good for them and good for the child for them to admit it and not try to force the issue.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

Yeah, because I feel like that's a lot of that's the reason why a lot of women stay with the kids and maybe hurt the kids. Because of what society like they're scared of what people are gonna say if they give the kids up or something, so they deal with the kids and then they reach a point where they can't deal with it no more and then they harm the kids. Right. And I'd rather not have that happen. There's a lot of situations where people could have just gave their kids up. Right.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

And they didn't. They can't wait until they went.

SPEAKER_02 2:22

That's the point. I always say that when I see a situation where a mother hurt the kids, I was like, you could have just gave the kids up. I'm sure there's someone in your family that'll take these kids to keep you from harming them. Right. Or drop them off at one of the places where you was a hospital, yeah, hospital, fire, fire station, police station.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

And church? Did they add church to that? What about church? I don't know. They may have. I can't remember. I know a fire station, though. That three for sure.

SPEAKER_02 2:49

Drop them off. Yeah. There's no questions asked. Yeah. I'd rather do that than hurt the little kids.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

Yeah. And I don't, I don't necessarily, I mean, when I was younger, I think I was I was harsher on women who like, I was like, she must, you know, be one of the most selfish people in the world. But that's not necessarily true. Um for me, I of course, for most people think, you know, it would be an ideal thing to have both parents. And that, but that doesn't always work out. And um, like I said, sometimes the father is the better parent. Sometimes just signing over the child to the to the father is a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

Yes, not to look at her as a bad person. There's women who don't want to give the kids to the father. You don't want the kids, but you don't don't want him to have them either.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

That that's crazy to me.

SPEAKER_02 3:43

I'm like, if you could be a better parent, take care of the kids.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

No, that is a bad person, I think. If you don't want someone, you don't want the children. Or you can't, you can't take care of the kids, but you don't want to give someone who to somebody who can. And I think that's selfish, and yeah, and that does make you kind of not a good person. But if you are to the point where you can't, and you know you can't handle this, and there's someone the the parent, the father, um, especially, that wants that child and is able to take care of that child, I have no problem with the woman signing that child over to that father.

SPEAKER_02 4:19

Because a lot of women will keep the kids from the father too.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

And that's using them.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

Like if you want to be a good father, uh be my guest.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

Be my guest. Right. Yeah. I don't see why not. And like I said, you don't have to be together to be good parents. Yeah. You can be good parents separately.

SPEAKER_02 4:38

They say when you put stuff aside, like you have to stop worrying about what the other parent is doing and worry about the kids, and that makes it easier.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

I think so. And I'm not sure if you guys aren't together, why are you worrying about what the other person is doing as long as they're not harming your kid. Where that other person goes, what that other person um does, who that other person does what with. That shouldn't even be an issue when it it's your child, you know. So I think society does, they are harder on women than they are on fathers.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

As long as you don't have them around someone crazy. Like I've always felt like if someone don't like me, I don't want my little baby around them.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

Right.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

Because I feel like you could do anything to my baby, and my baby can't talk to tell me what happened.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Right. Well, there's a difference between not liking me and actually hating me. I I get I can be annoying. And so if I annoy you and I kind of get on your nerves, you don't want to be around me, I I can still possibly trust you around my child. I need to see how you treat my child. That's the problem, them not being able to separate it.

SPEAKER_02 5:49

Just don't like you, so they're gonna automatically not like it out of your child. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

Yeah, that is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 5:55

So that's the only thing I have. Don't have my child around somebody who's gonna maybe do something to them.

SPEAKER_01 6:00

Yeah. Well, I don't my thing has always been don't be rushing to introduce anybody to your child anyway. You know, don't rush. I think get to know that person first so you can understand how that person. I think both men and women rush that.

SPEAKER_02 6:15

Right. Women have their kids around men who they have no business being around. Yep. And men do the exact same thing. Trust me, that was for both. You're not even really with this person, and you got your kids around them.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

Yeah, that was that was for both. Because I've seen it. Yeah, I've seen it both ways. I got a date this week. I'm gonna show, I'm gonna introduce them to my child. Okay, I got a date with somebody different next week. I got no problem with dating motherfuckers. Don't introduce them to your children until you get to a certain point.

SPEAKER_02 6:43

I don't want to meet your kids if I know we're not serious. Like what I'm meeting them for. Right. What for?

SPEAKER_01 6:50

I agree. And I don't even like kids like that. And that's whether the mother or father is in the in the picture or not. You know. Now, if the thing is, when when we're talking about parents leaving, are we talking about parents just disappearing and never coming back? Or are we talking about the parents?

SPEAKER_02 7:10

We're talking about parents leaving, like you just leaving your child.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

Yeah. Yeah. Still. I think mothers are are judged more harshly.

SPEAKER_02 7:18

Yeah, they are. I guess because they feel like mothers have a tighter bond with the kids.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

Well, I mean, you did carry that child for the pressure for the amount of time.

SPEAKER_02 7:25

A lot of pressure coming with raising kids. Yeah, it does. And especially if you're raising kids alone. Mm-hmm. I guess they feel like if the father left, why can't he leave?

unknown 7:37

Well.

SPEAKER_02 7:38

And then it produces a child that has abandonment issues.

SPEAKER_01 7:43

Right.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

So it's like a little cycle.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

Well, they were saying, um, I think they were talking about long-term, it's like um just uh depression, um, estranged, feeling estranged from everything, separated from everything. And then it affects whether or not they have how their relationships go when they get older themselves. It you you can do a lot of damage to your children.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

I've always heard that women look like when they don't have a father, they look for father figures in men and they pick the wrong men.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

And that does happen.

SPEAKER_02 8:14

And I think it's the same for men also. You can't replace your mother. Yeah, I think they have an issue with that also. Yeah. So it it affects their relationships.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

Yeah, and it goes through, and what what I would say to people is we have a tendency not to, a lot of people have a tendency not to go get help. And there's no harm in speaking with someone.

SPEAKER_02 8:38

There's a stigma on I know, I know, I know. I'ma just say it. Black people have a stigma with going to the psychiatrist. They'd be like, is you crazy? Yeah. But you don't have to be crazy, you don't have to be crazy to want to talk stuff out. People need to release stuff. Right. Like they think it's something for being crazy, but it's just someone wanting to get stuff off their chest.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

And sometimes you need somebody who is totally unutricable and has no ulterior motives for what they're going to say to you in response to what you're saying. You know, I can talk to my mom about every anything, but she's gonna be a little bit biased because I'm her baby.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

You're right. You're so right. Yeah. So if you feel like you need to talk to someone, do it to a therapist. Do it, sit on the little couch and talk about your childhood problems or stuff that's bothering you in current life. Right. There's nothing wrong with it. Sometimes I'll be wanting to go to a therapist just to get some stuff out. Go as a family.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

That's a lot of people. That would be good. But yeah, but I mean, we do, we talk to each other because it's like with a huge family like this, you've you've got somebody who's going, depending on the situation you're going through with who it's with. There, you've got somebody. Yeah, I got somebody. I I got a lot of somebody.

SPEAKER_02 9:59

I I think it's I think it's a good thing. Yeah. Don't look at it as a bad thing. Don't let people make you think it's a bad thing.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

Get get the help that you need. Now, mothers, if you're considering um getting, you know, letting the child go, try to think of what would be best for the child and where would be best for the child. You know, don't because you're angry with the father, don't say, Well, I don't want him to have them, especially if he's a decent father.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

You know, if you're struggling and you feel like you need to do that, then you the next person would be the father.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

I'm gonna add something else in there. A lot of women feel like if the man is taking care of the kids, that they shouldn't have to pay child support. But I feel like it's it's the same. You need to be responsible some kind of way. You mean if he's taking care of the kids? Oh, if the father has the kids. If the father has the kids.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

Right, okay. I was gone lost for a second. They don't have to pay care. I disagree with that.

SPEAKER_02 11:05

I disagree too. Yeah. I feel like wherever the child is at the most, that parent needs some help.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_02 11:13

Or even if the parent doesn't need help, you should want to do something.

SPEAKER_01 11:17

It's still your child. Yeah. And and you know, unless you sign off on every parental right, you sign documents saying you have absolutely no parental rights to this child, you should be taking care of your child. Now, if you sign those papers, I got no problem with you walking away. Go. Go on about your business. Fly. But if you're not signing those papers saying I give up all parental rights to this child of any kind, I don't think I thought it's something else.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

I feel like if you sign over your rights for one child, I feel like you shouldn't be able to have any more kids.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

Oh, that's not gonna that's not gonna fly. I'm sorry. Um I mean legally, it's not going to. I understand you. Um, but what if you're 22 when you give up that child and then 10 years later you're financially ready? See? Yeah. But the 22 year old. You should have made it work. The 22-year-old might have not been able to financially take care of them, but the 40-year-old can.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

Yeah, I see your point.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

Yeah. So I guess you'd have to look at each individual situation. Yeah. For the reasons why. Plus, you couldn't enforce it because then that would bring up, you know, forced sterilization kind of issues and stuff like that. So you can't enforce that. Yeah. Yeah. But it's an interesting idea.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

You don't want that one child, you don't need no more. You don't need no more.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

Well, I've seen families where uh one child was given up and then the person had an entire family later.

SPEAKER_02 12:58

That's on um what's the little 16 and pregnant? Is that the name of it?

SPEAKER_01 13:03

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_02 13:04

On MTV. Did that happen? Yeah, that happened. Um the couple had one child. At 16, they gave the child up for adoption. They stayed together, had more kids, got married, and everything. Oh wow. And I think it weighs a lot on the mother. I think they see the child from time to time.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

I was gonna say, did does the child know that they they're they're the parent?

SPEAKER_02 13:27

They gave it up for adoption. It's a girl, and they see her, but they still feel bad, I guess, because they have that.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

Because they were able to make it work, and they have their those other kids. And here she is, she's over here, and the the question in her mind may be like why did you keep them and you didn't keep me? Yeah, what what what's missing in me? Yeah, you know, that you gave me up.

SPEAKER_02 13:50

It's kind of a tough situation, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:53

I think they had two, two or three more kids.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

Oh, that's got to be tough. Yeah. Well, it it is decision. Here's the thing all decisions have consequences, as long as we're still. I guess they was doing what was best for the girl, and that could be a conversation later on in her life if if she's you know confused wanting to know. Yeah, that's that's something to say. Because it I guess there's a big difference between I can't give you what you need, as opposed to I don't want to give you what you need. What you need, yeah. There's a difference.

SPEAKER_02 14:26

Yeah, it is. And I think they wanted her, but they just wasn't in a position.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

But the two of them were 16 and they didn't have like the financial support that they needed.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

They didn't have the parental support. Like if I feel like if their parents were supporting them more, they probably could have did it. Right. But they didn't have that either. Like their life was already messed up to begin with. To begin with. So I think they did the right choice. I think so at the time. At the time.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

Yeah. But like you said, all of them eventually there's there's consequences, immediate and long term.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

Um exactly.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

I know. Difference in mothers and fathers.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

Um I think Halle Berry um gives her kids up. I don't think she has any of her kids.

SPEAKER_01 15:15

Um, yeah. Is it one that has two kids? But it's from the same guy. No, I think it's two different men. Oh, I didn't know that. I know she had been, um, I know she was with the the was it the French actor? She was with a model. Um did she marry David Justice? They were married, or were they just a couple?

SPEAKER_02 15:37

They were married. He had some junk to say about her too.

SPEAKER_01 15:40

Yeah. So, but he he's not a father of one of the children. No. It's the model and the French actor, right?

SPEAKER_02 15:46

Yeah. Um, Dave Justice said that she wasn't the wifely type.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

Well, at the time she may not have been. They I think they were young back then. Yeah. Yeah. So she may not have been. Yeah. His his idea of the wifely type. He talks drunk about her, but yeah, no, it's time to stop. Yeah. Y'all are old now. Let it go.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

But if she if she don't want to be a full-time mom, I I commend her for giving the kids to the father. Don't deal with them kids and you know you don't want to.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

I agree.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

Because it's not healthy for them either. Yeah, if you want to get them on the weekends or if you don't want to get them at all, you just want to pay child support. Because she pays child support.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

I remember that. So I remember it was an issue with the model, wasn't it? Because he was first. He was before the French guy, right? Is it a French guy? He was an actor.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

The uh the model ain't the French guy.

SPEAKER_01 16:41

No, I don't think so. I think it's two different ones. Don't make me lie. I could be wrong. It's hard keeping up with all the people.

SPEAKER_02 16:47

Yeah, it's hard keeping up with other people, baby daddies.

SPEAKER_01 16:50

It's good to see her so happy now, though. She seems to have found her her footing and and and she seems happy with the man that she's with now. Yeah, she does. But she always seems happy with her man.

SPEAKER_02 17:00

That's true. That's true. They have a label on her that she's no good.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Oh. Well, I guess you have to go through it yourself to understand.

SPEAKER_02 17:09

They say she's crazy, but it could be the men that's crazy. Yeah, but what are the odds? What's the I don't know?

SPEAKER_01 17:16

Maybe she's making the men crazy. What's the constant in all of those relationships? Oh, she is the common denominator. Yes, she's really talented, and we're just speculating on, you know, I like Hiley. On what we see from the outside. I love her. I think she's funny. Um, it was nice. I because I'm old, so it was nice watching her career from you know, from where she started to where she is now. It's I I feel feel a good I have good feelings towards her. Okay, so she has a daughter with Ariel Aubrey.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

Her ex-boyfriend. That's the model. No, the boyfriend name is Gabrielle Aubrey. That's the model, right? It doesn't say and then a son with her ex-husband, Olivar Martinez. That's oh I thought well maybe not.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

Maybe I got him back exactly.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

Aubrey is the French guy.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

I got him mixed up. I thought for sure there was a guy at a French school.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

She has two kids and she don't have either one of them.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Okay. Yeah. So she's an example of a mother, um, perhaps. And um if if everybody's you know, good.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

Maybe she felt like when the relationships was over, she didn't want to deal with the kids no more. Maybe she didn't even want the kids and she had them for the person.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

Maybe. I don't know. We we speculate from the outside. But again, if everybody's on up and up and they're they're all good, maybe she made the right decision. I think so too.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

I think so.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

Yeah. Yeah, I don't uh for me it's it's not that big a difference between a mother leaving and a father leaving. But I know that society looks at it totally different. And a part of it is the expectations of a mother. We are supposed to be the ones that are there for the children regarding. No matter what. Yes. It doesn't matter. We're struggling, sick, doesn't matter. Yeah. Unconditionally, mothers are supposed to be there. That's how society has us. And that does that's not realistic. It's not. Because we're all human. So I just would like for the parents to do what is best for the children.

unknown 19:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

And if not being with mama is what's best for the child, then do that.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

Give them to the daddy, let the daddy take care of them.

SPEAKER_01 19:39

Because daddies are quite capable of doing it. I know quite a few who are doing it on their own and doing a good job.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

That's such a good look. It is, I have to admit. A great look. It is. You're talking about a woman magnet. The man taking care, good care of his child, his child or children.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

Yeah, and doing it on his own. And happy to do it.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

A lot of people say, like, they'll get people kids and take them to the mall just to get women. Yeah, I heard about that.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

Oh, isn't he cute? Then all of a sudden he becomes uncle. Oh, it's not my child.

unknown 20:18

All right.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

Let's talk about how girlfriends are required to do wifely duties. Right. Like, should a girlfriend be cooking and cleaning?

SPEAKER_01 20:30

Well, I mean, again, I have a thing about this wifely duty thing. Like, what are the wifely duties? Like, everybody should be cooking and cleaning, don't shouldn't they? Yeah. It shouldn't be a wifely thing. It shouldn't be a wifely thing. It shouldn't be a person thing. If we're going to say that there are certain wifely duties and um and you're a girlfriend, I actually don't have a problem with you doing what is considered wifely duties. If I'm not talking about starting off, like when you're going on your first date, you're not going over to clean up his apartment. But when as as time progresses, you're both going to be doing things for each other, I hope. Um, for me, I again, you know, I'm always telling personal business of mine. Um, I when I was dating my husband um before, there were times when I would cook and make him a plate and take it to him at his job. And we weren't living together. I was I was still living at home. That's just being that's being a part of a relationship. Yeah. You know, and so was that wifely duty? I was only a girlfriend.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

I guess some people would look at it that way.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

I didn't know then I was doing wifely duties before.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

I look at it that way.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Right, right. I don't I feel like if you're in a relationship, what you do for each other is your duty. This is what you choose to do for your partner. If I cook for him, that's my duty because that's what I chose. If I clean up after him sometimes, I would expect that he's gonna do that. Same thing because I'm gonna leave some plates somewhere. I'm gonna drop my socks off because I can't stand having socks on in the house, you know, and he's gonna pick those up. I would think if you're in a relationship, it where it becomes a problem is when one expects it. When you tell me that that's what I have to do, yeah, I think that's when it becomes a problem. Okay, I agree with that. Just me. Most of this stuff is just me, you know, just my personal stuff. This is just our opinion. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

Y'all have your own opinions.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

Yeah. If you if you're in a relationship and you don't want to do what you consider wifely, do this, then you continue on the way you are, darling. Um, we do talking about our own.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

If if y'all not living together, maybe that's different. But if y'all live together, I don't think that's wify. I just think that's taking care of it. Yeah. Because you got to live there regardless. Right. So if you're gonna cook, you're gonna clean.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

Right. If I'm cooking for me and I live with someone, why not cook for why am I not cooking for him? That's that's a little crazy. So, in my opinion. So yeah, I I don't think I don't believe that there's a duty that is necessarily a wifely duty. Um, unless, of course, you know, I and I don't think that's a duty because every wife doesn't want to have a child. So Yeah, you're right, you know. So yeah, what you do for your significant other, whether he be husband or boyfriend, whether she be girlfriend or wife, um I don't, first of all, I don't like the idea that it's considered a duty. You know, like duty almost implies like you don't want to do it, you're just doing it begrudging. Yeah, yeah. So I I don't really call them duties. These are things I do for the people I love and care about.

SPEAKER_02 23:59

Oh, y'all like that music? That was nice. We had a little party going on.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

I was kind of mopping a little bit. That's all right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

All right, and the last thing I had was I see a lot of men saying, like, there's a limit to the kids that they'll the limit to the amount of kids a woman can have if they date them.

unknown 24:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

I mean, you know me. I'm all for whatever makes you happy as long as you're not hurting somebody else. So if you have a limit, say you you're like, if she has two kids, I can deal with that. But if she's got like three or four kids, I can't deal with that, then don't date the woman who has three or four kids. You know what I'm saying? Don't put yourself in that situation. I'm kind of on the fence about it.

SPEAKER_02 24:50

Because I don't want to date someone who has a whole bunch of kids.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Right.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

I just don't. But I feel like if I met somebody and I just like them, you could. I could probably look past that. Look, like if you're taking care of your kids, that's like the biggest thing. Like you could have a lot of kids, but if you're taking care of your kids, that that's that's testimony to how what kind of person you are.

SPEAKER_01 25:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:18

Now, if you got all these kids and you're not taking, like, if you don't talk to your kids on a daily basis, I don't like that.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

Because I don't feel like you're you're not a real father.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

For me, I think it uh it's a numbers thing too. Like you've got, I've got to decide whether or not I want to deal with multiple mothers of your children. Kids, yeah. Yeah, and there's all these different personalities and things like that. So that those are things that you have to take into consideration. Yeah, because if you have, let's say you got five kids with one woman. That's different than having five kids from five different people.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

Yeah, I'm gonna look at you different.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

Yeah. It does, and I'm sure it's a a totally different situation.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

So I guess I guess I can see where they're coming from. Like you don't want to deal with a woman and she got six kids from six different men.

SPEAKER_01 26:06

Right, because that's a lot of people you and personality you have to deal with. Yeah. And but you need to know that up front. Yeah. And and that person needs to know that up front. So um people like not telling people that they have children until later, and then surprised when the person walks away. Well, you kind of knew they were gonna walk away. That's why you didn't tell them to begin with.

SPEAKER_02 26:27

That's crazy to not um acknowledge your kids.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

Yeah, like like what what are you gonna do like later on if it does become something? Are you gonna like to be like, oh, I'm sorry, I didn't, I was scared to tell you. Yeah, surprise. Here's three kids. Three different women. Yeah, no, don't don't be trying to hide the kids. I'm on the fence with that. People making their decisions. I you know, I'm I'm all for it, but I I always say be be up front to begin with. And if you know that she has three kids, then don't waste her time either. Yeah, if you don't want to deal with it yet. Right. If that's something you already know, don't don't deal with it. Don't don't ask her out, don't take her to dinner, don't buy her lunch, just go on about your business.

unknown 27:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

That doesn't mean what you got on this politics.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

Oh my goodness. Um, the young fellows. Um okay, so I did watch a little bit of the deposition. I re-watched it. That's part of what I was doing when we first came in. Okay. Um they're being uh deposed because of the cuts and things that they made in Doge during Doge. Um, my I speculate, and this is just my opinion, and I think it's backed up a little bit by some of the things that uh people in the know have have reported on. Um a part of Doge was just to get rid of some of the um the investigations and stuff that were being done on some of um Musk companies. Okay. Um so that was a part, a big part of it. But what they've done is um there's a lawsuit going on, so they deposed some of the people that worked for Doge. And they're really young, they're um 24 years old, I think, somewhere around there, 24, 25 years old. And these people have been put in charge of choosing what our government is going to fund. Um, and so when one of them was making the comments, he they were asking him about how he decided to cut certain things, and he kept saying he would reference the EO, the executive order. And so the person questioning him was trying to get him to define it, define DEI. And he would not do it. He just kept going back to, well, whatever the EO said, we referred to whatever the EO said. And the person was like, I understand that, but what I'm asking you, like, do you have an understanding of what DEI is as of today? You know, and he I think he said the date. And the guy was like, Yeah. And he was like, Okay, what is that? And he was like, Well, I'd like to refer you back to the EO. Like, so use your words. It's explain how you chose to get rid of things. He don't want to use his words. Eventually, he whittled the questioner, um, did get him to sort of admit that as long as it had things like LGBTQ in them, um, then they were pretty much gonna be cut.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

Um words like LGBTQ, women, black, the word woman, tribal, indigenous, I can't even say indigenous, gender, equality, civil rights, holocaust, research, all bad words, all bad words for them.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

Those were things that they cut, and I think they cut like 97% of the it was either of the programs or of the grants.

SPEAKER_02 30:06

It totaled a hundred million dollars.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

Yeah. Yeah. Um, he I think they cut one because it was about research though. Because it has for them, in their minds, it is about LGBTQ. Um, and so that was you remember this was a a few years ago. Was it the first I think it was the first Trump administration um where the report was removed about the Enola Gay, the airplane that dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki or whatever, and it was called Enola Gay. Well, it was taken out off of the website because it had the word gay in it. So when they talk about that now that they're being deposed, I believe that is what they were doing. They were they they used chat GPT and AI, put in some words like gay LGBTQ, black women, um, and let it and just let it cut and cut everything, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

Anything that didn't have to do with straight white male.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

Twenty-four years old.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

Twenty-four.

SPEAKER_02 31:21

So he don't have no one else like over him that he has to like no one goes over his work and check to make sure that he's gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

Wasn't that supposed to be Elon? And that was the whole point of putting them there. Um the whole point of putting them there was to mess things up, as far as I know, I can tell. That's amazing. Yeah, and uh USAID was doing some, I think, investigations on some of the things that was going on.

SPEAKER_02 31:49

He looks like a baby.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

Which one are you looking at?

SPEAKER_02 31:52

Um, what is his Nathan Kavanaugh?

SPEAKER_01 31:55

Yeah, that's the that's the blonde one, I think. I can't remember the dark-haired one. Um, I can't find it. Looks 12. Like. Yeah. And the thing about it is the arrogance that like they you're a baby, sweetheart. The people that got fired so you could take this job are three times your age and with four times your experience. And you're so arrogant that you walk in there at 23 or 24 years old and think that you know what's going on with the government, and that's a little crazy to me. But that is what they chose to do. They decided to put those children over babies, yeah. And they put them in charge of our government.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

Twilight Zone.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

I wish again, because then maybe we could escape it. But that's what they're doing. They're they're going through because of the um the lawsuit.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:56

Yeah. So women, we um they're they're not interested in anything about us, so don't be writing reports about yourselves and and put the word women in there because you know, they're coming for you.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

They should just um disguise it and put white male.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

And then when you get inside, right.

SPEAKER_02 33:16

And then when you get inside, waiting a white male.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Well, we'll see what happens with the lawsuit and what but the damage is done regardless, and that's the that's the sad part. Um, all the lawsuits can become can come through. They can fire the people and replace them with people who are actually qualified because we all know that DEI never meant you weren't qualified for the job, it just meant that you would find qualified people of diverse races, um, gender, religions, and abilities. That's what diversity is. It's not about getting somebody who's not qualified and putting them in a position, which is the exact thing that Donald Trump has done with his administration. I mean, we've got a man who said he had a brain worm in charge of our health. Seriously. That's nice. He talked about snorting cocaine off the toilet seat, and he's in charge of our health. But his qualifications you see when he stands in front of you, and that's all you need to see as far as his qualifications go. You're gonna wake up sooner or later. I hope. I'm like I said, I'm keeping my sense of humor about it. I do give on my soapbox sometimes and go on my daily rant. Just one a day.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

That's okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

Get it out.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

We just talked about going to therapy.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

Yeah, that's my therapy.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

All right, that was another good one. I think we um covered some good points. Yeah. And y'all can email us at rofile of the clock podcast at Yahoo. And we will see y'all next week. Bye. Bye.