Anti-blackness, Racism, Colourism and Gayness W/Jamal from Traitors Canada

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

And I'm like, how are you 16 empty resume and you're telling me you're too good for McDonald's?

SPEAKER_00 0:06

People feel like, oh, because I'm gay, I could relate to black people. No, you cannot. Oh god, no. No, you cannot.

SPEAKER_02 0:12

Imagine being black and gay.

SPEAKER_00 0:13

Oh, the full.

SPEAKER_01 0:20

We will draw it. Okay. We will say who are we gonna say? It is okay.

SPEAKER_00 0:36

Hello, hello, hello, hello. Welcome back to another beautiful, stunning, amazing episode of Kindly Until Ted. I am young almost a little shape for me. Anyways, Shay for Shamat. I mean a little Shay for Shamat. And then with me is if I call Wilson Kokara. Period! So um on the couch today, we have the amazing, the delectable, the stamina. The most humble yeah, hype your keep your booster. I mean, it's a non-flag. The amazing Jamal. Welcome, Jamal. Thank you for coming. Amazing. Amazing. Thank you for having me. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming by. And also, congratulations on being part of the amazing show franchise. Thank you. I've to not watch that. This man, we need to kick him out. You said you don't know what show that is? No, I know what it is. But I haven't seen it yet. Because I've been so busy. Yeah, whatever you've been doing. Almost done now. No, I will see it because it's all over my tear. So I'm just like, nah, no screen time for me. Hollywood wanted to kick him out for not seeing the show.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

So did you ask him any questions? Did you know he won? Yeah, I didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:57

I saw clips online. Yeah. I'm not. So I don't know what part he played. I don't know what part he played. I just saw clips online, like, oh wow. Okay. How did that be?

SPEAKER_02 2:03

We had a show, Matt.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

It was oof. It was good. How did that even feel for you as a black man to see two black men win a show that I didn't think? Oh, you you want to? No, but you said two black men win. I was close, but no, I didn't. It was close. Very close.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Um how did it feel? Um, it felt great. Um, but at the same time, it's like it doesn't prove anything for our community. Do you know what I mean? Because they themselves brought themselves there. Do you know what I mean? It wasn't like the show helped them get there. So it wasn't like it showed progress for like our country or our city or our community. It's like they fought to get there. Do you know what I mean? So, like, yes, it felt great, but it's almost like it, it just kind of allowed reality television to kind of just feel like, look, it can be black people that can make it.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

Amazing. But I hear that, but I feel like the representation is what I'm like, I'm leaning towards more because you know, in the in the history of the show, it's known to you know white people, especially. And then it and um it's usually more um white people. And then I think um Hollywood also broke like he made the history like by being the the most shield one. He won the most shield. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

I don't know if it was like if he won the most like in history, but yeah, he did the first.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

Yes, it won he's won the most in the history of the of the show.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

Of Canada?

SPEAKER_00 3:22

Not Canada, the entire French.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

Oh Jesus, okay. Yeah, good for him.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

So um yeah, I just also want to get like your your your insights with this to me that I've heard since I moved to Canada. They said um Jamaican men are very hard to date. Are you Jamaican?

SPEAKER_02 3:38

No, I'm not. You're not? No, I'm half Trinidadian, half French Canadian. Oh does that make me harder to date or easier to date?

SPEAKER_00 3:47

I haven't heard anything about you know anyone in the training to ad. Okay, good. Oh, you're trying to not Caribbean. Oh, well, the Caribbean, but I've heard that mist. Like Jamaicans are like pretty hard to date. Is it true? Are you hard to date? All hard to date. Hard. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

Interesting. Um, I will say most of the Jamaicans that I have dated or tried to date in like the past were hard to date, but I don't think it has anything to do with Jamaicans. I think Oh, it's the person. It's the person. And if anything, I feel like black queer youth, we make it hard for our for each other to date. Um, but just being gay in general, we're complicated people to date. Do you know what I mean? Like, first of all, you say gay and date, it's like a taboo. Absolutely. Do you know what I mean? So it's like it's not Jamaicans, it's not whites, it's not blacks, it's not Asians. It's like gay men just don't want to date. Do you know what I mean? And if they tell you that they do, they're lying, right? So like everyone just wants to have sex and have fun, right?

SPEAKER_00 4:44

Especially so that is why somebody that is to your left has like a six boyfriend on the set. It's okay to admire people, and that's fine. And you have them on right, left, in the room, everywhere. A girl just wants to have men are on. I mean, have as many as you want, but of course, I'm I'm very monogamous, don't mind them.

SPEAKER_02 5:05

So you have six, and then this like the seventh day of the week is just free.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

Naggame! No, no, no, no. I'm just jerking with them and they're straight, all straight men. Yeah, actually. Even better. Well, no. Three of them are actually gay. Well, if they weren't, they are now. So three of them are. Okay, okay. Yeah, you you three straight men, three gay men. You just split them in.

SPEAKER_04 5:27

I mean, I mean, men.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

Men. Just men. I mean, just look at him. Oh. So you want to make him your seventh?

SPEAKER_02 5:35

No, he needs a break at least one day. One day a week.

SPEAKER_03 5:41

Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

Oh my god, that is insane. Um, so today we are talking about racism. And I there's something that's, you know, draw like drawing my attention to you on Traders. There was something you said that really resonated with me, especially as a black person that just recently understood what racism meant. You said something like, Look at me, I'm I'm always like a target. I'm a black gay man that I had to toil my weight. That I cried when I saw that scene. Like it really got to me. And, you know, I just wanted to get your perspective. Like, when did you realize that you're a crime? Your blackness is a crime.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

On the show or in general?

SPEAKER_00 6:17

In general.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

Ooh, very early on in life. So I blended in very well because I grew up in the hood. Do you know what I mean? So I didn't have to worry about being a minority in my own community. Do you know what I mean? But I would notice, like, let's say, for example, when I started coming downtown, right? You start noticing people crossing the street, right? You start noticing security guards following you around stores, right? You start yeah, um, people start grabbing their purse, stuff like that. And then you are treated differently. It's like if you don't uh learn to monitor the way you speak, people will judge you just for the way that you speak. Um, and I've always had an issue with that. So at that point, I would say I started to learn that probably high school, and that's probably when I started to really express like my gay side of me. Yeah. So it was like once I started coming downtown, kind of making gay friends, going to gay parties and stuff, I started to realize it, especially within like the white gay community. Right. It was kind of like I was like, there's a reason why I'm not accepted in this community, and I didn't I didn't understand why. So I had to kind of figure out what that was.

SPEAKER_00 7:19

Oh wow, that that is that's so powerful. Because I um I also remember like the for your defense, you were defending yourself for someone saying like you're aggressive, because which is something that usually attached to black people whenever we're trying to express ourselves. Like I don't understand how that is is a thing for like us black people when we're trying to express ourselves and then clutching the pulse. I really understand was white people they kiss us a lot. Oh, yeah. Do they? Yes, actually. Or we kiss their ass. No, in the workspace, of course. Or they're being passive, or they're like all of them in between. Right. So when it's when a black man is trying to like son of us, say, I don't want to follow that trend and be like, oh, you're aggressive. Yeah. Or and you know what, like, and mind you, white people are usually the most aggressive.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

I would say so as well. Um, and I don't think you can you can you can't weigh or determine someone's aggression by conviction or the tone of your voice. Yeah, it's like aggression takes a lot more than that. We're saying that because someone has like an oomph to their voice or is louder than the other one, that they're aggressive. No, it doesn't make any sense. Right. So that's kind of what I was trying to say on the show. Um, but what you guys saw was like 30 seconds of what you went longer than. Oh my God, like that round table was long as hell. And um me, me venting was long as hell. I want to say I was going off for a solid 15 minutes. Wow. Um you know when like you're just so heated, like you're almost not even making sense. Yeah. That's what it was. And I think they took the 30 seconds that made sense. I think that makes sense. And they threw it there. But yeah, it was heated, it was dark.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Um and I really love because that 30 seconds spoke to me because back in Nigeria, like I said, I didn't know. I've said this a couple of times, which people I didn't know, like my consciousness was not to my blackness because we are all black in Nigeria, and I would only defend my sexuality, like, oh, it's it's it's not good to be like homophobic, da-da-da-da-da. And then when I got here, I'm like, whoa, hold on. There's something called racism in the race strategy. So yeah, I and this also leads me to my to my question. Like, what identity of yours you defend first? Is it your your queerness or your or your blackness? When when you you know, I didn't know that you were gay until you said you did that monologue. I swear to God.

SPEAKER_02 9:34

Because that was like episode eight.

SPEAKER_00 9:36

I swear. Wow, okay. How many episodes was it? I think there was like 10. No, I think it was about 11 or 10. Your gay that was not active because of the eye. It was gay. I'll be questioning, oh, that's a flay man. And I want to go and I mean I I acknowledge his like his beauty, but I'm like, I I don't know. But you know, he fit he fits into like the quasi hetero number thing. Yeah. It looks very sturdy. So yeah, for you, when you enter a room or when you're in a space, what is that identity of yours that you defend most?

SPEAKER_02 10:09

That's funny, because I like as you ask me that question, I'm like, damn, I'm kind of like I'm guilty of flip-flopping. Um, I will defend the side that's being silenced.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

And what side is the depends.

SPEAKER_02 10:20

Depends on the room I'm walking into. Do you know what I mean? So if I'm walking into a room where, like, let's say, for example, I'm in a a room full of like black people. Right. As a mixed race individual, I was always told, Oh, you have an ounce of black in you, you are black. So I would be like, actually, no, I'm I'm white. Do you know what I mean? My mother is white, I was raised by a white woman, therefore I'm white. Now, if I walk into a white room and they do the same thing, I will defend the black people. Um, same thing with gay and straight. Do you know what I mean? Um, it depends. Like, I I just don't like anyone to kind of marginalize me or silence anyone. So I will fight whatever you are trying to silence. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

So for you, is it like a preference in your identity? Like, what do you think would hurt most? Like what hurts you the most? Like, what have you been backlashed for the most? Like maybe a profile, like what have you been profiled for the most? Like, is it your gayness or your queerness or your your blackness?

SPEAKER_02 11:11

That's a good question. I don't know. Uh like what have I been profiled for? Like what have people labeled me for? I want to say it's my blackness first, um, only because like at least in this time of my life, my surrounding is not very black. Um, so I oftentimes find myself having to defend my blackness in those settings. Um, but then I would say in rooms where people don't realize that I'm gay, now my gayness kind of takes up most of the conversation.

SPEAKER_00 11:42

Conversation.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

So it's hard. It's really hard to say. Because I feel like I'm a very like diverse individual, and like you can't really pinpoint me as long live out, yes. So people, it depends on who I'm with, and like they'll start to pick at things once they start to realize different things about me. Right, right. That's a good question. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

Yeah, Wilson, what about you? Like, what do you defend the most? Myself. Like, what like when you enter a room, like what is that part of you? Like, oh, you're too black or you're too loud or you're too queer. Like, what is that part of you that you as Wilson defend the most? Like, oh, like that makes you very Um, I'll probably say the power you said too loud. Because I mean, I would you can't uh diminish me. So if I'm trying to air my opinion and you're trying to like tell me, oh, you're aggressive or you're this, nah, I would defend that. I mean, if that because me being black, it's me. Yes. It's me. So you can't say that you're from me. So do if you're not trying to pinpoint like a negativity on me, yeah, yes, I would defend that more. Yeah, because I um someone said something like when you enter a room, when you enter a space or when you're on a boss, the first thing people see is you as a black person. They don't necessarily see, oh, you're queer, they don't label you as a queer person until maybe you take a step or you walk. That's when they probably realize, oh, it's also gay. So, but the first thing they see is your blackness. So, which is why when I entered prior to this, prior to moving to Canada, I used to defend my queerness first. Okay. I've never had to defend my blackness, if that makes sense. Yeah, everyone is black. And then when I got here, I now realized that I need to defend my blackness. I hear on my queerness. Interesting. Because that's what I because I've I've known homophobia to the core, that I I never understood what racism was. Yeah. I used to see racism on like social media. I never really understood what that meant to people because I've never experienced it. And that is why I immediately got here and I experienced racism. I said something on Twitter, like to understand racism is to experience it. Experience it. Yeah. And for you, you probably don't know what it means not to experience racism, but we did not know what it meant to experience racism.

SPEAKER_02 13:38

It's a beautiful life, to be honest with you, not to know. Like ignorance, ignorance is bliss. Yes. It's very much it is. It's a saying that has been around for decades for a reason. Ignorance is bliss, right? But yeah, I've I don't know a life where I've never experienced that. Down to, let's say, for example, I walk into a room full of black people and they're like, You're not black, you're Latino. And I'm like, I don't have an ounce of Latino in me, but for some reason I'm not, I'm not accepted by the black community. Do you know what I mean? But I'm not accepted by the white community. So it's like, which community do I go to? So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

I I I want you like to speak more on that because usually when I see like mixed um black and like mixed race person, and there's like black and whiteness in them, they're usually like segregated in groups. Like when they enter like a white group, they're like, oh, you're black. When you enter like a black room, you're oh, you're too white, you're too like light skinned. Like, how does that feel for you? Like growing up in that situation of like being profiled as a one thing and you don't fit in, you're pretty like just in the middle.

SPEAKER_02 14:32

It didn't really hurt me. And I think just because I was kind of like a strong-minded kid, right? Right. But what it prevented was the opportunity for like self-discovery and learning my background and my upbringing and my ancestry, all that kind of stuff. Like, I wish I had that ability from like just a young childhood, knowing what my ancestry and the history of my culture to know what I mean. I never learned that. And I had to actually go in and seek out that information. Right. So I think that's what it did. It never allowed me to actually just kind of connect with one or even both. It was kind of just like this. I was like, I had no idea who I was for most of my life, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:09

Like for good day, okay, that's fine. For go ahead, that's fine. Like just wherever you are, you just try to say live.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

Yeah, just molding in with like your environment, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:16

That that's actually a very good answer. Because I've seen a lot of people that like uh mix race and they they find it so sad that oh, the black community doesn't accept them. The white community doesn't even see their face because they feel like, oh, you're black, and that's literally what we're against in this part of the world. So I I think this would like lead to my question. Like, I do you ever think like um we black people and POCs, do we ever feel white supremacy? Do we ever feel it? Do we feel like fuel? Do we feel white supremacy? You champion? Like, do we let it leave on with the way we actually treat these people?

SPEAKER_02 15:54

I think yeah, but uh there's so many ways one could. Do you know what I mean? I I I I have an example that's coming in my mind. I don't want to I don't want to bring this up. Um when on the set of traitors, yeah, um at one point it was me, Hollywood, and a few others having a conversation again about the aggression.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

And Hollywood being someone that I've known for so many years, we were like it was a heart-to-heart conversation. And he was like, dude, when you walk into a setting and uh people are calling you aggressive just because of the way you talk or the way that you look, sometimes you kind of just have to suck it up and kind of give them what they want in order to grow in or in this community. And in and I was like, I was like, there's a difference between me and you. I'm like, your life has kind of been championing in yourself in order for your self-growth. I'm like, I will fight the fight so the person after me doesn't have to fight at all. Right. I'm like, that's the difference between us two, right? So does that answer your question?

SPEAKER_00 16:49

It does answer my question because then that is also like feeling like white, oh, just shut up for letting voice.

SPEAKER_02 16:55

That's what they want. Do you know what I mean? They want you to almost feel like your only way to survive is to like is to conform.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

Conform to that.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

Yeah. So yeah. So I feel like that's one way you can kind of fuel it, but there's so many other ways. Just one not even speaking up is another way to fuel it. You know what I mean? Tolerance and acceptance. Um, so to answer your question, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

That is amazing because um, I think I I mentioned recently I I'd gone to like for a pickup, and then I was waiting for this equipment for like maybe 25 hours, then 25 minutes ahead of like the next person that came after me. Because I got there really early, earlier than like schedule. So um, I was there 25 minutes before the next person, the next person being a white person, and then another black person came after that white person. And then the person that was gonna give us the equipment came out, and then they attended to the white person first. When I came, when I when he came, I told you, Oh, I've been here like 48 minutes before you. It's just a joke. And like, oh, really? I say, yeah. Ask the painter. And then it goes ahead to attend to the white person first. Mind you, I had an appointment for like a laser appointment, which I was running late for, and which is why I came early so I could be attended to first. But he went to the white person. Mind you, this person was a black person. This is why I wanted to make that point. This person was a black person that went to a white person.

SPEAKER_02 18:07

Interesting, okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

Which is why I'm saying, like, sometimes we feel that the white supremacy by making them feel superior to us. Because if I've told you, like, oh, I was here earlier than every other person, and then the the white and the the painter told you, oh yeah, it was here earlier than anyone, you should attend to me first. Because we're there first, yeah. Do you get what I mean? And it has happened to me a couple times, like, oh, maybe I'm at the bus stop. I it's almost time for the bus to leave. And then I'm only I'm the only person there, a black person, the bus leaves. But if I'm there with a white person, bust wait. Do you get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 18:41

A thousand percent. I feel like in that situation where like he tended to the white person first, that's almost a product of so many years of being like abused and being discriminated against. You know what I mean? Like your initial reaction is to cater to them, or else something negative is gonna happen. Do you know what I mean? It's almost like embedded in us as individuals now. Do you know what I mean? It's like I'm not gonna tend to my black brother, yeah, because he can wait a second. He knows he's good with me. But if I don't tend to that white person, only God knows what's gonna happen. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 19:11

It's like I didn't see it from that perspective, but again, you can see how it could also read as oh, right, you're putting your um white person over your a thousand percent, yeah. Yeah, because in situations like that, that also fuels it, makes them feel like, oh yeah, I'm better than them.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

It's gotten more toxic in in today's society. It's almost like we do it with every culture. Right. Do you know what I mean? Like, let's say if it was a like a black and Latino person in the room, I guarantee you there will be a power dynamic. Do you know what I mean? Or uh like a white and Asian person in the room, there will be a power dynamic as a community as a whole, especially in North America, we're just completely racist as individuals. Do you know what I mean? It's almost like it's it's it's it's gotten to the point where racism equals equality. Oh, do you know what I mean? So I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Yeah, that was powerful. And I say that's nothing in Nigeria, but because if your white person comes color to them, they would differ. Oh, yeah. Oh my god. So in terms of the white person, yes, and yeah. So I said that point to make it probably like, oh, that's my brother. Oh, whatever happens. No, no, no, that should not count to Nigeria because especially we're in our country where everyone is black. So if you if you want to do that, I think we perpetuate that. That's it. Yes, yeah. So that was that same thing also happen in Nigeria, like this same scenario. I hear what you're saying, but that happens here according to what Jamal said, and which I really love the perspective, is because out of like survival instincts, like, oh, I need to attend to this person before she chose the true story. But in Nigeria, it's bad because no, they don't have rights to a channel because it's our country. But they will do it, they do it, yeah. They love it. Even without being white, if you're like a lighter skin. Like someone like Jamal would go ahead of me because everyone would team up. Yeah. Do you get what I'm saying? Like if you're on the line when, oh, oh, and Jamal says, please can I quickly go fast? They would say, Oh, yeah, sure. But should I go forward? It's like, no, no, no, no, go back to the line. Do you get what I'm saying? So colorism also exists, which also fuels racism, which is one of the things I think we as black people we need to deal with in our community. And I don't think it's gonna be. Colorism? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

I mean, that's been around since like the beginning of time. Of time. Do you know what I mean? Um, for example, like dark skins love to say light skins act a certain way, think a certain way, yeah, blah, blah, blah. And then vice versa. Do you know what I mean? So we do it to ourselves. Same thing like with as within like the gay community. Yeah. Right? The gay community is like the most racist community that exists. Oh my god. You know what I mean? We're forever just like categorizing people according to these toxic categories. Whether it's race, body size, anything, everyone's in a category.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

It's like Yeah, I I absolutely love what you said, especially because a lot of people feel like, oh, because I'm gay, I could relate to black people. No, you cannot.

SPEAKER_02 21:51

Oh god, no.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

No, you cannot.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

Imagine being black and gay.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

Oh, the poor massage. So um Yeah, I because a lot of times I and this is why I I it's just a personal opinion when I see a a black career person, especially that as predominantly white, I I stay away from people like I'm always yes, ooh, red flag. I'm always like because you would you would be so in deeply with like you would be more culturally inclined with white people than your people.

SPEAKER_02 22:26

But see, that's that's also again a part of the problem. Why is that an issue? I mean, why can't like I would give you an example. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

Um, there's this person that was supposed to be like a crew member on this project when we started the first season. Um, this person was supposed to be here. Black person, your friend, with a producer, queer as you, called you. Oh, you're doing this project. It says yes. And then afterwards, like two days before filming, white person calls you on set, and you go for the white person.

SPEAKER_04 22:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

You see what I'm saying? So they would preference white people over how about maybe if that comes from a place of hurt, like they've been with the community, the black community, and then the way they've treated them, and I'm like, oh, do what you're doing. I don't think every black that's literally saying every black person that you've met have treated you badly. I I hear that it could be out of trauma, but at the same time, I the people that have hurt me the most are actually black people. I've I've been beaten, like treated like like an animal by black people, but it still doesn't make me not find my people because I feel more comfortable. There's so many racist things that would be said to you that you still take you with Chester because oh, they're my friends. I I I was having a conversation with a black guy recently, and he goes, um, he goes recently, Leo, by the way, this is not you. Um he says um there's some things that they will say to him that it would let it fly. A friend of his calls him um monkey and he lets it fly. I'm like, Are you dumb? Sorry, in what setting would he let that fly? White person. That's crazy. I'm breezy. White people. He has mostly white people as friends, and then there's a friend of him that that has his name saved in his phone as a monkey, and he lets us fly. Which is why I have a problem with black people that are predominantly white people as friends. It's even good boy.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

See, I'm conflicted because, like, let's say, for example, in my situation, so my dad's black, but my mom is white. I never I wasn't raised with my dad. I was raised with my mom.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

Uh makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 24:16

If there's any culture that I relate to more, it's my white side. Right? So who are you to say that I should then for some reason relate to black people more because our skin's closer?

SPEAKER_00 24:27

Exactly. I I hear that.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

I hear that, but but there's some things, especially Africans that just recently moved to to like places like the West, the Western side of the world, and then they they just try to be white. Because let me tell you something, what they do back in Africa is try to be white. They look into the mirror, they see whiteness in the mirror. So when they come here instantly, they just want to make to white people and they don't give a damn whether they call them nigga or call them monkey. And that gagged me when he said, Oh, he has his name Sage on his phone as a monkey, which pissed me off. So they feel and which gives like this imagine those friends, they feel like, oh, I can call this person monkey. That means the next black person I could call them monkey.

SPEAKER_02 25:03

It's funny because I had actually had the same conversation with my group of friends like a couple months ago, where some a lot of my friends are actually Latino, right? And oh, they're a good one. But I'm still kind of like the token black in in the friend group. Right. So I started noticing, well, I we I've addressed it immediately in our friendship, but it still kind of go went on where I would walk into the room and they'd be like, Oh, our black friends here, ha ha ha ha ha ha. And I was like, okay, I I get it, guys, that like you guys are joking, and as your friend, I should accept this. But I was like, for one, I don't find it cool for A, B, C, D, E, F, G, but now look around when there's white people in the room. You're then telling them that your behavior is okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Ooh.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

Right? Um. And yeah, sadly, the conversation had to get to a point where we agreed to disagree. But I was like, at no point in time, if it's okay between me and you as friends, don't allow the average person that's a spectator to think that this behavior is okay. Because at that point, we're just like we're doing the opposite of fighting the cause, right?

SPEAKER_00 26:01

Yeah, even them saying that to you should be um should be okay, you can say this to me, but I don't think it's cool to say that to another another black person. Because they might say, Oh, Jamal takes it, but that means when we see another black person, we're gonna say our black friend is here.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

Even then, if it's said something that's so degrading, you shouldn't say it in a room where there's any any strangers, period. Do you know what I mean? Because it's not, it's not okay. Do you know what I mean? If you went out and said that in a public setting or in a classroom or anything, are people gonna look at you sideways? So then why do you think you can say it to me?

SPEAKER_00 26:35

So you would raise your right hand because we need to get the tweet out of you. I'll say, hi, Jamal. You say hi, Jamal.

SPEAKER_02 26:43

Okay, hi Jamal.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

I will I saw themly swear. I saw them that I will spill the tea.

SPEAKER_02 26:48

That I will spill the tea. Nothing but the tea. Say again? And nothing but the tea. And nothing but the tea.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

Amazing. You can bring it down. So go on, Will. Oh, now I'm scared. Okay. So um You sign your life away. It's something it's a topic. Okay. Praying for my cheating boyfriend. I don't know why they cheat a lot in Canada. I don't know. It's a look, it's a pandemic. It's cheating, boyfriend. Praying for my cheating boyfriend? Listen, I've been with this boy for six years. I caught him cheating several times and some that he confessed. Since then, I've been praying about it. Wow, girl, you're brave. I'm seeking spiritual guidance, going on my knees every night. Okay. So come on, Castor, he prayed with both of us, but nothing has changed. You think you're gonna change the cheating, man? That is insane. I don't know. Girls, like I say, okay, let me finish it. Now my pastor is insisting that my brother should come for deliverance. Come for deliverance from a spirit of loss. I deliver you from spirit of loss. That pastor, I'm questioning your calling. Ah, sir. He has also told me that this man is my husband. That's the problem. That is the problem. Most of the people, oh, that's the husband. Hold on to him. Yeah, religion. A religion again. Yeah. That he's my husband as revealed to him by God. Harmony, what do you think? God is going to reveal to you that's you. Hey, she's in church. I feel completely exhausted and confused. I've tried to leave the relationship. I feel like you're holding on to your pastor's words, not even what you're doing. Exactly. But I'm torn between my own pain and the pressures to stay because of this spiritual confirmation, yes. And I don't know whether to trust what I'm feeling or what I'm being told, and I'm struggling to understand what is the right decision, and my faith is honestly shaking. Your faith is your faith should be shaking. First of all, this lady And you're not married. This lady doesn't even have faith in herself because she sees a pastor as her god. As a god, that's a thing. Because why will you hold on to your pastor? Your your pastor said this. That's your husband. So you want to hold on to that. Yeah. Even if he's cheating, you you don't even want to leave. You don't care. So what if so that means if he didn't say that, of course you would leave. Exactly. So I mean, I don't, you're dumb.

SPEAKER_02 28:58

Would she leave though, or would she, or is she just using that as an excuse, like keeping her there? No, I just mean some people are not strong enough to do certain things. Yeah, so they latch on to whatever kind of reason they have to justify their behavior.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

Yeah. Yeah, dumb. They're cowards. Yeah. I I also think, um, because I'm also gonna bring like a Nigerian perspective to this, like, especially women, especially, um, it's hard for them to find a partner. That is why I I hit the I hate that we have this world where women have to wait for men, which is very painful. And I think to her, she feels like when she leaves, she probably is gonna be able to find someone else. And that is the culture that's and that is like the patriarchy that the way patriarchy has been set up, that men, uh women have to wait for men. Men have to seek them out before like they can get married. And a lot of times women are rushed into marriages, especially by parents, by the society, like, oh, you need to get married. So she's feeling like, oh, if I leave this relationship, I probably won't find another man that's gonna love me. Oh, you how about you actually pray to God? And I feel like your own delusion. And I feel like that man might be manipulative as well.

SPEAKER_02 30:06

Probably. I mean, realistically speaking, what man is going to change because you prayed to God? You know what I mean? Like, if if he's a serious person.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

Why are you doing why? And I'm yeah, I'm pretty sure that man is not even praying. You're doing the prayer for you, even on your knees every night. Going on, your knees is the person that is even choosing them is not even praying to deliver. And not even praying for yourself, girl. Oh, girl, I don't know. Again, I will call this again cotton pickers.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

So is this person asking for like advice right now? Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

Like what fate is. Like, you are asking for advice. Are you joking? Are you joking? Because her faith is shaking, she feels pressured.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

There there is no advice you can give to someone like that. Like, very true.

SPEAKER_00 30:45

The only thing you can honestly say is that just listening to me.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

Yeah. Yeah, you either you you you reap what you sow. You either accept your man for who he is, yeah. Right, or move on. And if you if you can't move on, and if you're if you're gonna justify an excuse, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

Exactly. Because I feel like, again, like I said, you're a coward. And I like Jamal said, you're lunching on anything to keep you there so that you don't hold yourself accountable for like leaving. Exactly. Um, so I think you're you're dumb as fuck. Um And a lot of pastors, I don't know if they call the lot of pastors because why will it pass? No, this is how they leave. This is what they love. They love like when you listen to them because that's how they eat.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

But I'd be like, I want to know if your friend told you this scenario, what would you say to your friends? Yes. Would you be like, girl, you're dumb? Or or would you say, well, pastor told you so, so my god.

SPEAKER_01 31:39

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

I like yeah, this is like this is like the reality for a lot of Nigerian women. They hold on to their like the moms. For the particular video I saw where um this lady or a pastor told me. A pastor, mostly Nigerian women, a pastor told them to go rent gowns to come to the church to wear the wedding gown and pray for their husband. I saw no, they were they were glamorous. Hundreds of wedding dress. They went to pay for that's hilarious, okay? No, literally, they went to pay for like wedding dresses, and they walked down, they were praying, Jesus, where's my husband? I'm like, and I think that is the kind of mentality she has like men are not struggling, they're not putting on suits to say, Oh, I need to go, but women are like, and I think there's there is that's not coming from a pastor that is a woman pastor. Yeah. Oh shit, yeah, it was a woman. There's a woman, yeah. Oh shit, I remember. She goes, you need to pray so that your husband can find you. I'm like, sis, your husband doesn't find it. Do you want to be a lesbian? Get married already, both of y'all, because there's a lot of women in this place. Just get married to another woman there.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

So yeah. Yeah, no, I like I'm I'm I'm still like stuck on this. Yeah, I'm stuck on this. You need to find your strength yourself, like aside from religion. Do you know what I mean? Something needs to give you power aside from religion. Yeah. And if you're going, if you're if your pastor's advice is gonna cause you or enable you to stay there, yeah, then there's something within yourself that you haven't found yet.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

Exactly. True.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

In my opinion. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 33:10

No, that's a very valid opinion. Because girl, again, why is this even a question? Like, why are you asking us? I say my feet, you don't even have faith. Faith is never shaking. You don't have one within herself. You don't even have one key. And that is why a lot of times people, these people don't actually serve God. They serve their pastors. Their pastor, yeah. They don't, they just take whatever their pastor is. Like garbage in, garbage out. Bruh. Like, don't you have critical thinking? Is it very, very scarce for you? You need to figure that out for yourself because I don't know why this is. I imagine for six years, you're not even afraid of STD. You're not afraid of Brah. For six years, they don't have to be a good idea. Do you know the joke? It's girls like this that because she says she's in church, girls like this are the ones that would not say, Oh, I'm waiting for my husband until we get married. While the man is outside welding, and you're just, oh my god, I'm keeping it for my husband. Ah, that would that's so sad. That's crazy. That is so sad. That's breezy and crazy. So so crazy and crazy.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

I don't know. I think the one thing that pisses me off the most, especially today, is just any sort of entitlement.

SPEAKER_04 34:13

Woo! Claw.

SPEAKER_00 34:15

Yeah. Like if you guess everyone that comes on this show is talking about African parents, as for money, my child, my investments, entitlements. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:23

And then I find that the younger the generation gets, the more entitled they are. Like, actually, I was having this conversation with my mom actually earlier this morning, and it's gonna get dark, but um, we're talking about just like the massive deportations that are happening in like the US and Canada and stuff like that. And I was like, mom, like we're going to like basically regret our words in five years when all those people that are doing the jobs that we're too entitled to do are no longer in our country.

SPEAKER_04 34:49

True.

SPEAKER_02 34:49

Do I mean and I was like, I was like, if someone asks you to mop the condo floor, are you going to do it? Because I know I'm not going to do it. Exactly. Do you know what I mean? So I'm I'm just as just as much as at fault, right? And I'm like, the younger generation, like, they're all like, there's no jobs. Cool, there are no jobs. But trust me, there are jobs. There are just no jobs that you want to do. Do you know what I mean? And I'm like, how are you 16, empty resume, and you're telling me you're too good for McDonald's?

unknown 35:14

Woo!

SPEAKER_02 35:14

Clock them. Do you know what I mean? So, like that entitlement, like, I just don't really.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

As I was heard, I mean she's an evil woman. She's an evil woman, yes.

SPEAKER_02 35:25

An evil Ghanaian woman, but she was heard. That is so true. Like, I don't know. Something has changed. Because I meant like everything I've like got in my life, I've had to fight for. Do you know what I mean? Or someone's wanted to take it away or didn't want to give it to me to begin with. Do you know what I mean? So I I I never understood that.

SPEAKER_00 35:40

Yeah, that is actually very true. I'm glad that you spoke about that. So, Wilson, what do you have for us? Well, for me, um, yeah, so Canada, Nigeria, of course, I would always attack here. I feel like the Canada media is so flawed. Oof. Like, things don't even fly here. They don't fly. I feel like I don't know personally, allegedly. I feel like the government just went to a place and turned off. Like you guys have to work with PSWs. Like, like if you're trying to if you're trying to go into podcasts, you're trying to go into singing, you would not find it. There is no influencers. There is no like nothing. Like, even the I mean, look at Jamal. Like, if you feel like Jamal is in Nigeria, oh, you'll be deals. Oh, Jamal, let me tell you something. You go to Nigeria. Jamal, let me tell you, as soon as you step step powder sets, do you do you know how many deals? I'm sorry. You're not bastard. They would wash the fitness loss of skincare, clothing line, fitness line. If you guys don't see me here next week, this is Nigeria. But in Canada, like, you don't see their celebrities walking just in the like mind you, in my own, in my own honest opinion, Canada drag race season four was the best. And Canada's um traders literally the drama. I don't think I've seen any of the franchises. I think the US just make it look like that. And I know the question is I didn't even, to be honest, I didn't even know about like the other traders' franchise. You've only heard about Canada. Canada, yes. That's how good it is. Yeah, so I'm like, why is the country not even supporting things like this? Like go to the UK, go to the US. They have, I mean black businesses. See, but in this place, if it's not PSW, it's cash jobs. If it's and for it again, just like um this movie, um Behind the Scenes, if we if you watch, it's it's the first premiere in the UK. In the UK, Nigeria. Canada is like the like the ground, the last on the chain. It goes to the US, goes to and then Canada last. And when it goes to Canada, maybe one day or two days and the other day. But if you go to the UK, US. No, let me now tell you why. Because again, racism plays so much into this. Even us as Canada, when I wanted to start the company Minsk Media, I was doing so much research and I was like, okay, how does one sell media in this country? And I realized that 72, 73% of like the media that is sold in Canada is from the US. About 20%, the rest of the 20% that is sold here is from like international um countries. And then two, three percent is what is from Canada. So literally, we don't have export value. We don't have even in our country, we don't we don't. I heard that for Canadian films to be in the cinemas, they only say like one week at the most, and it's gone. That's mad.

SPEAKER_02 38:38

It's funny because did you guys hear what happens? Like, have you guys seen Heated Rivalry? That's what I was gonna say. So, like, they couldn't get any American awards.

SPEAKER_00 38:46

Yeah, because there was no collaboration with Americans. Yes. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

I'm like, that's sad. Meanwhile, it's the biggest show.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

It's the biggest show in the world right now. So which is why I'm like, again, it speaks to the point I was making because idiot rivalry had to cross over out of Canada for it to be famous. For it to be famous, yes. True. Yes. Some Canadians don't even know what the hell idiot rivalry is. But talking about it. But they found out a lot of people still think it's an American show. Even Canadians. I actually thought it was on Sony Cloudman, like, that's a Canadian show. Yeah, I think that's his name. But let's talk about this rivalry. That's true it's overrated, though. So you watch that? But you I I I couldn't go past episode two. I'm sorry. Yeah, the it was so blast for me. It was so blah. Like we've seen this before. I mean, it's just two white twins. Yeah, I'm letting it. It was so romantic and sweet. Oh, geez. I was a question of dance in life right now. It wasn't even so cool. I mean, what's that? What am I watching? What's this? Yeah. You've seen better shows than it has to be better than this.

SPEAKER_02 39:50

No, I think I think what it is is that there's not many TV shows or just things in media where people can actually watch it and see themselves for the queer community. Right. And when it's done so well, it's kind of just like you latch onto it. And I think the world latched onto it because the message behind it was deep. It's someone's coming out story. But on top of that, he knows he's not gonna be accepted by like his family, his friends, his job. Yeah. So, like, how many of us have gone through that as kids? Do you know what I mean? But and if we are shown that, it's from the cheesiest thing you could ever see. Do you know what I mean? Or it's on something like logo television, which is like which half of the world does not watch it. Right. So I think it was the fact that like everyone just kind of felt like finally we're being represented, right?

SPEAKER_00 40:34

I mean, represented white people. I have a problem with that, the fact that every time there's a uh there's a rum coming about gay people, it's usually white. And then if it's like if it's about whites and black, is the whites, um, the black one is really poor. Like a supporting character, poor. And the whites are going to go and oh, I have to bring you, I have to come exactly, and then like, oh, I don't want the poor person for that. That is why another thing that pisses me up, especially even in the media, even on production, on film productions, you barely see, you know, black people. When you see black people, you see them as oh, PA. Um, I I remember there was a day um I we just recently shot like some films, and then there's this black guy who is also an AD, and we're looking for an AD on set. My line producer was looking for a white person. So when it got to the point where we couldn't find an AD for the other film we're shooting, and because they brought this guy on board as a PA driver, mind you, he's an AD. So, and when we now found out, oh, this person's an AD, and I said, Oh, I told you, you knew I'm an AD all this while we went to school together. And so and so that means it was the last result to finding an AD, which pissed me off when I found out, like, oh my god, I this is my set. I'm a black person. I run this shit, and you're you're you're prefacing like white people over my people. If I knew that, I would have kicked that out. That's breezy. So that is um one of the things that you know I'm like, uh whenever we want to represent, let's also put us on the map. I'm sorry, right? Tell there and I think genuinely, I might be biased. Black skin, baby, it don't crack. It don't crack. No rentals. We don't go into the sound. Canada media do better. Yes, uh and I think I'm tired of capitalism. Yes. And I think to be very fair to the government, the government supports financially. How do they support? They do. Do you see? There's so many grants. Yes, they do. You're not in film. There's so many grants that supports like people in the media. But unfortunately, again, because there's no platform for even if they support, when they finally do it, does this sell? Does this sell? That's the thing, so that's what I'm saying. That's my point exactly. Um, these people get this money, but there's no platform for them to put this thing to build like a a very diligent audience. So, what's the reason? Is it lack of immunity? No, so it's not lack of me, it's lack of odd, is lack of um platform. So there's no platform to put this thing. That is why, again, it's the same people that keeps getting the grants, they go back, they do a film, it ends up in the drive, and they say, oh shit, there's no platform. Because if there was a platform, they would have sold that film to make money, and they will open more rooms for other people to go apply for these things and make money and then, you know, do you get what I mean? If there is a platform, you don't even see brands coming to like, I mean, um, are you um you're in your business in Canada, right? Do you have any brand after Trader Just brand? That's that's insane. Like enforcements and stuff, no? If you were in the US, UK, Nigeria, UK. Oh, I'm sorry, especially Nigeria. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. You would be picking, like, oh, I don't want this.

SPEAKER_02 43:31

There's not to be like a full media round for us. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know why that is. But I also think that we do a shitty job at like even just like promoting ourselves and forcing the world to accept us, right? Like um, a lot of us from like traders were saying this was like, why don't we have a reunion? Why aren't they why aren't you tossing us all on television, like just showcasing? And on top of that, it's like it was the best season. So you should be throwing it in people's throats. I mean, on top of that, like half of the shows that we produce here are not available. Around the world. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 44:01

How about you clock that too?

SPEAKER_02 44:03

Right. But yet the Americans, all their stuff is available to us. And we're just eating it up. Do you know what I mean? So it's like, I don't, I don't get it.

SPEAKER_00 44:09

And I think it's also like a kick in the butt because we're too close to the US. Because every time we we have similar culture, and then we are like always mistaking for the case. And I see why. And this is why I was having a conversation with someone, I think it was Lauren, and I was studying on why um heated rivalry became huge. Because we stayed true to our culture. Because we played into hockey. Hockey. Yes, and that's so. That is why we were able to stand out and sell that shit. Because it was not for the thing. If it was another game, it would not sell nothing. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 44:44

Yeah, if it was like football or something.

SPEAKER_00 44:47

That was what I kept on saying. I remember when I was in film school, my my some of my friends are here as well. I kept on saying, like, why are we trying to be American? We are not American. We have so much culture that we could tie in and bring people in. And that is why this film is doing so well in box office. Uh sorry, on the show. But the first thing they would say, oh, that hockey show. Yes. And they would relate it to Canada. And when you say that it's Canada, it would make sense. Yes. Do you get what I mean? So when we are playing into a culture, we tend to do more. We tend to get more attention. Do you get what I mean? So um letter steam. My own letter steam is um, and sorry. Of course, your camera is gay. Where's my camera? Thank you. Um, Asian women, Asian men, when I'm on TTC and you see me um on the bus and you don't want to sit beside me, I really love it. A lot of people don't like it. I love it because I really carry very expensive bags and I need my bags to sit. You get what I mean? You're not sitting beside me. I mean, it's things sometimes. Um, but when you don't sit beside me, I really love it. Because my bags, I carry like bags of like $600, $700. So if you don't sit beside me, it's it's cool. I'm not mad. People are mad at it, but I love it. And also you think. You stink. You don't, you don't, you don't bathe. Do you sit on it? Oh, yeah, it happens. A lot of times on TTC or in the subway. A lot of times you have to. The worst TTC to sit on is that Kennedy Kipling line. Oh. You will catch bed both. Oh, it's a lot. And you will catch bed bad. Yes, and also, like I was saying, like I love it because also you smell, you stink, you don't bathe. So I love that you don't sit beside me because uh girl, I wear like Gucci, I wear YSL perfume, I spend so much money on perfumes. I I take so much time to make people feel comfortable around me. So the fact that you're not sitting sitting beside me is a privilege. Do you get what I mean? So um, yeah, I just love that you don't sit beside me. I don't, I think it's racism, but I miss it. It's fine. Hot take. Hot take. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What would hurt you most? Like you hurting your friend or you're hurting your partner? By the way, are you single?

SPEAKER_02 46:52

It's complicated.

SPEAKER_00 46:54

Every, every in Savar is in Toronto, it's complicated. Everything is complicated. I'm not complicated. I have a mind that I love that love scene. It's not a good thing. Give it a couple minutes. No, you said it's a few. When I was in Nigeria, like five years past. Is he here though? He's here. And he's a very growing traditional man, that's why. So we're very traditional, both traditional. So think about it.

SPEAKER_02 47:14

But if you said it in Toronto, Canada. You better lock him in that room and just not let it be.

SPEAKER_00 47:18

No, you better lock me in the room. He really deprived. Because I'm deprived. It is always complicated. So, um, to my question, like, what would hurt you the most? You hurting your friends or your friend, or you hurting your partner?

SPEAKER_02 47:33

That's an interesting question. I would probably say hurting my partner.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

That's I thought this is a this is a this is what do you mean by that? I think it's Rudolph. Are you sure? Are you sure? Because it's complicated, yes.

SPEAKER_02 47:50

I would say like your partner has a certain level of an investment in you. They're putting their trust in you. They're they're they're literally, or hopefully, they're they're they're they're they're banking on something that that hopefully will last long. Do you know what I mean? Friendships oftentimes are superficial, um, unless you've known them since you were children, stuff like that. Your friends don't care for you as much as your partner is. Um your partner is the one that's gonna be there if you're sick, if you're broke, all that kind of stuff. They're like, it's a family thing. It's almost like which one's gonna hurt you more, hurting your mom or hurting your friend? Like, well, family comes first. Yeah, I'm not gonna break my family's trust or hurt my family, make my I would hate to see my mom cry, my friend cry. I don't care, bitch.

SPEAKER_00 48:36

Like that's the goal. Come on, that clock it. And it's coming from a Karina perspective as a Nigeria friendship. I mean I no, no, no. So now that Jamal said this, I think I I I get the perspective because like me, I I my friend because I moved a lot, so I didn't have like permanent friendship. So do you get what I mean? So I I I think now that you put it in this perspective of oh, your friend, your partner is almost like your family. Yes, I think I might switch into your.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

Because think about it this way: you moved a lot. Yeah, your family, your your friends changed.

SPEAKER_00 49:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:13

If your partner was your partner, let's say like husband, you guys are together, we're moving with you. Do you see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 49:19

Like, whoa, that ways, how about that dilemma that when that partner was about to move, the girl said, No. That's our choice. I want a sense of pressure. That is our choice. Do you get what I mean? That is our choice. So, but this perspective just threw me for a loop. Bro. You don't have a place at all. I do have a place. So we send it friends or partner. Yeah, because my I think looking at it now, especially with my partner, the every single person I've gone, the only person that's stayed constant is my partner. Go ahead with you. Oh my god. I stay with you. What do you mean? So you are my friend that we moved together.

SPEAKER_04 49:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 49:55

Do you get what I mean? But the the relationship I have with my friends that are back in Nigeria, it's not the same as when I was in Nigeria. The reason why our friendship has even become it was stronger because we moved from Nigeria together. Okay, that's it. But the person that stayed constant the entire time is my partner.

SPEAKER_02 50:11

But even then, your friendship has now become like more like family. Yes. You know what I mean? So, but like look how fast you lost those other friends.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 50:19

You see what I'm saying? Look how often friends come and go. So if I hurt you, sorry, but suck it up. Not all friends are lifelong friends, guys.

SPEAKER_00 50:27

Now we have to push this episode to the back. I've said friend friend the entire episode. Because now I think I genuinely hear what you're saying. Like it makes sense. Because the only person that has stayed constant, especially for me, is my partner. Every single, even mom, dad, Dave Waiver. The only person that has stayed constant is my partner. So that's the true partner, not just anyone that's not. Yeah, not just like boyfriend, no. Especially when you so I think it makes more sense when you know that you've gone beyond, oh, we have boyfriend.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

When you have partners, they're accepting you through flaws and all. Yeah, they've seen you at your worst, like they've hid your secrets. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 51:04

Like literally, we have five years in like a few days. My my anniversary is. Yeah, thank you so much. So, um, which makes sense. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you for changing my perspective. But um, that'll be everything for us today. Thank you so much, Jamal, for coming. You're amazing. Um, that man is bringing his hand closer to you. Hey, please. What do you mean? We really need seven, eh? Yeah. Monday through Sunday. I'm gonna tell you something. If I put you on board, I would discuss all of them. He said, every one of you can go to but thank you so much, Jimon, for coming. And for you, our viewers, thank you so much for listening, for viewing, for watching. Um, if you have a dilemma, please slide in, go up to the link in our bio if you want to put the anonymous watch. If you're bold enough, please use the link. Use her email at skinlyunfilter at gmail.com. And for now, that'll be all for myself. I'm Wilson. Until the next uh our YouTube channel. Yeah, if comment like comments, not if you want to. I don't even fall off. You have to. You have to where actually watch it. I know somebody came to me one time. I was like, Oh, do you watch our podcast? They're like, Yes. I was like, wait, on Instagram? I'm like, that's just a clip. That's a clip. The full one is on. You thought you're doing that that person is lying, don't mind that. So, anyways, um, they know they know where to watch, they know because it's a thing, it's a routine. Everyone knows like when there's a podcast, we say, I'm not trying to fall into my own. So, I'm not gonna. Yeah, yeah, you're watching me. Exactly. So, anyways, that will be all from us. Um, until next episode.

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