You Guys Heard of Nirvanna? The Band?

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SPEAKER_02 0:07

Howdy, ladies and gents, welcome to the next episode of the podcast. Appreciate you joining us for another week of our uh just meandering through life. It's pretty much where we're at right now. Just week by week, just figuring it out and talking about stuff as it comes up. So uh appreciate you here. Sarab Brand, welcome again. How are you guys doing? Not too shabby. Yeah. Good, man. Chug it on, chug it on. Yeah, yeah. All right, sweet. Uh yeah, I guess let's uh let's hit it with what's good. Let's get into it.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Who wants to kick us off? Start because it's not anything super important or or really that deep.

SPEAKER_02 0:42

Um we can just skip you if it's not good. We'll just keep it moving.

SPEAKER_00 0:49

Don't give me a don't give me a your don't give me your sad ass highlight.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

Yeah, we don't want yeah, we don't want any of that on this.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

You can just keep it. I mean keep it going. I I could pull up Brennan and say like say what's good, but then just actually just what really sucks.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

It's just it's just like it's it's just really terrible.

SPEAKER_01 1:04

Yeah. But the there's a silver lining somewhere. No. Um what's what's what's good has been the NHL playoffs, um, particularly the the Flyers. Uh, not just because of the unexpected position that they're in, but they have a really cool like aspect to it. So um Flyers had this big push to to make the playoffs uh in the second half of the season, and they have this this guy, Porter Martin, who is a rookie, and he literally up until a month ago, was playing at Michigan State University. He's a freshman on their team. A month ago? A month ago, yeah. Up until and the only reason why he like why he was able to join them is because Michigan State was like a number one seed in the NCAA tournament. And they uh ended up like losing in the regionals. So they didn't make the frozen four, but he went right from like losing in the regionals in the NCAA tournament, like immediately got caught up and was playing on the Flyers squad. And he played played in their playoff game. And well, he played nine regular season games to end the season. And then and now is playing for them in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

Wait, but was that the guy I've I mean, I'm not I don't follow the Flyers at all, but I thought that they had another rookie that in like the last game of the season or in the last week he had like a hat trick in a game, but it that name didn't ring a bell. That was like Stone or something like that. No, that's not it.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

It's probably Martone. I don't know if he he might have had a had a hat trick. I don't know. He he had he had 10 points, he had 10 points in nine games. So the dude went from being a freshman in college, and granted, he like he led Michigan State in scoring there, but then to like make that jump straight into the NHL, like right into a playoff push where it's do or die every single game and you gotta perform, and then to just like put up points and and get uh get your goals and your assists, get yours. And he scored in both of their playoff games so far. So that the dude went from went from college to like raking in the pros in with absolutely no like learning curve or no transitional period at all.

SPEAKER_02 3:08

Okay, this is my ignorance on how the draft and process like when was he so he was drafted last year? But then continued for another year at Michigan State. Yeah. But the Phillies could call like could they have called him up throughout the year at any point?

SPEAKER_01 3:24

I don't think they they could have, or if they did, he would have lost his eligibility for Michigan State.

SPEAKER_02 3:31

But it's we it's it's weird that the Phillies, the Flyers, drafted him and had like and then allowed him to go play for another team where he could have gotten hurt.

SPEAKER_01 3:39

Yeah, but that's like weirdly, weirdly not that strange in hockey. Like a lot of a lot of a lot of hockey teams will draft, like junior hockey players. They'll either play, they'll play in college or they could play in like um like the Canadian leagues, like the Canadian junior leagues. That's where a lot of them come from, and they'll draft them and like have the rights to them, but let them play there because the idea being that they're gonna play way more at that level and be able to develop and like get their experience. And they would rather have them there than have them like sit on the bench and come to the um come to the NHL. But was the NHL also has the AHL, like their minor leagues that they could that they could play? So I don't I don't know what the what the thinking is.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

And so it seems like this guy was I mean, was he I mean for him to be immediately called up, immediately in starting lineup, immediately scoring points in the playoffs, like that's a significant talent. So he must have been tagged as that type of talent. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

And I don't know, I don't know what pick the Flyers had in that draft, but the Flyers have been have been shit for a while. So it was like it was a like a top ten pick uh that he came out. He but it wasn't first overall. Uh and even then, like I think it's like it's usually like generational talents like your contact david and Nathan McKinnon's that end up um coming through and and jumping in right away. So no. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 5:02

That's a really cool story. Yeah. Yeah. Like I hate that I haven't been I've been traveling a bunch, I've been missing a bunch of the NBA and the NHL playoffs. And it's also tough that like you have to choose because they're playing them at the same time. So it's like you have to choose which one to follow and which one to pay attention to. And uh and I feel like as a more of a casual NHL fan, it's tougher just to like watch random, random NHL games, especially like Western conference games out here, because I'm just like not I have no touch point to those Western conference teams at all.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

Uh but that's really and then like I heard that the Buffalo game was insane.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

Yeah. Uh yeah, because the Buffalo hasn't been relevant for a long time.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

Yeah, but they like they started out with a fight, like as soon as the puck dropped, they got they they dropped gloves and started a fight, and then was it them that came that they were down three goals in the third period or two goals and then scored four goals in the last eight minutes?

SPEAKER_03 5:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

Like I that's like what you know, just of like those stories are what makes sports awesome, and like I wish that I could be a part of all those. So that's awesome. And I'm glad you brought that up about the Flyers, because now it's another, you know, it's it's it's another interest level uh on like watching them that they have this kid who's scored in both playoff games so far and is doing work.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

Yeah, it's pretty good. And it's and it's like and he's he was he was playing in college and now he gets to like play in like one of the more heated rivalries in the NHL too, like the Pennsylvania series there with uh Pittsburgh and and Flyers. There's no love lost between those teams, division rivals and all that. So um it's just like I can't imagine that experience like for anybody who's new to professional sports, but to do it at 19, like as a teenager, he's like he's one of there's been 12 teenagers, I think, that have uh that have scored in consecutive playoff games. Uh and he's he he's one of them.

SPEAKER_02 6:48

So like I I wonder what his contract is right now.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

I wonder how much he's he's he's making peanuts. He's gonna make it. Comparatively. Yeah, yeah. In the scheme of professional sports, like aren't that much. Like if they're making like like seven million dollars a year, they're making they're making a good amount of money.

SPEAKER_02 7:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:06

So I can't I I can't imagine he's making that much.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

Sorry, I I have to find out how long. Okay, because I was wondering how long a rookie contract is in the NHL. Three years. Uh but like I wonder if that includes the year that they're playing with their college team or all that stuff. And then of course it gets it messy because I'm sure that he had some NIL deal at college. So maybe he had to he had to, you know, honor that contract. And so he he was probably making more at college, in college, uh Michigan State. Probably comparable. At least. Yeah, at least.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Uh man, that's awesome. That is playoff hockey is playoff hockey is cool.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

Yeah. Uh yeah, that's good. That's all that's exciting. Yeah, I mean, man. Love the AMBA and NHL playoffs, so that's cool to have another story uh for it.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

Uh all right, Sarah, what you got? Um, all right. My what's good this week um is something called uh Nirvana the Band. I don't know if you guys have ever heard of this. Um it's not the band Nirvana that we all you know knew like oh uh Okay.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

You walked us right into that one. Nirvana the band, yay? But not Nirvana.

SPEAKER_00 8:22

Yeah, so it's Nirvana with with two N's. It's uh N-I-R-V-A-N-N-A. Okay, and uh it's these it's these two guys, it's these two guys who are like filmmakers and like kind of just whatever from uh Canada who I think like had this idea as a joke. Uh and they started it as like a web series and it turned into a show, and then this year they did a movie, and also like one of the guys in it is like a prolific filmmaker who has directed some incredible movies. He did the BlackBerry movie. I don't know if anyone saw that, um, with uh Glenn from Always Sunny playing an incredible role in that movie. Um, but he's always this has always been kind of his like not his main thing, but his original thing. And Nirvana, the band, I they they call them they do the band because they know that they need to like clarify that they're not nirvana or whatever. Well no, but nirvana is is a band. That's what makes it funny. That's what makes it funny. Like it makes no sense. It makes no sense. That's what makes it funny because they can't just say we're nirvana, right? So uh and and what I love is they've been doing this like as a web series since they were like kids, like maybe even teenagers, and it is maintained the same premise this entire time into them being in like their late middle age now. Um, where it's like if you wrote a cartoon show and then you just decided to do it in real life with with real people because this is a show or is it music? So this is here, this is where it gets funny. There's no music. I mean, there's music in the show, but it started as like Nirvana the band and it was like a web series. Then they got like an actual show that was airing on like uh TV in Canada somewhere, and then like when we had Vice Land, remember Vice Land was a channel? Yeah, Viceland was airing it here, but again, they've actually admitted that like it's because of the copyright issues and nightmares that they can't like get out here in the US as much because they call themselves Nirvana the Band. Yeah. So it was Nirvana the Band, that was the web series, then they got the show and it was called Nirvana the Band, the show. And then they had the movie that came out this year, and it's called Nirvana the Band, the show, the movie.

SPEAKER_02 10:46

So when I just Googled Nirvana the Band, it autofilled the show, the movie, and I was like, what the hell?

SPEAKER_03 10:52

Yes, what the hell is going on?

SPEAKER_00 10:54

So Nirvana the Band, the show, the movie. So what I love is again, the whole premise of this thing that they created is these two guys who are like kind of losers, and they have big dreams to become musicians, and their goal forever is to play this restaurant in Toronto where they are called The Rivoli. That's it. So every show, every everything always starts with this plan of like, here's how we're gonna get to play, here's how we're gonna play the Rivoli tonight. And it always sends them down like really wacky, crazy like adventures and like roundabout schemes, always to kind of achieve this goal. So the movie came out and it just be it was uh it it drove a lot of promo around this whole thing. And so I was like, started going down this rabbit hole of like clips on YouTube and like funny moments. And I'm like, dude, I'm kind of into this. I think this is fucking hilarious. Let me watch this movie, dude. We watched it on Sunday, we rented it for like $15.99. Um, I I don't think I've laughed like out loud in a in that way in a movie in a very long time. Not that it's like uh just the entire time you're like clutching your your your stomach laughing, but it just has certain moments that just kill you. It's also done in this like Eric Andre style. I don't know if you guys are familiar, but like, yeah, but like it's a lot of like they're kind of scripted or improvising and there's a camera, but pretty much everyone else, it's just the public who are like interacting and like reacting in real ways for the most part. Um, so they do some crazy shit, they have a crazy plot from the beginning of this movie, then they have like a time travel thing that happens. They go to 2008, and the way that the character realizes it's 2008 is one of the funniest moments that like catches you like three seconds after it's happened where you're like, Oh, that's what just happened. You start fucking dying laughing. Like it just it was so funny. It was great seeing it with your with uh with my friends because it does feel like it has that classic, like one of the premises of the show of the movie is like one of the guys is like, maybe I should just go out on my own and try to be like a solo musician. And so it's like, oh, I'm tired of doing these schemes and being doing these adventures with you for like 20 plus years, and the movie ends up being kind of this like hilarious, wacky, but roundabout way of like them finding their way back to each other and wanting to like keep doing the thing. Um, so it worked in that way too. But yeah, I loved it. It was it was great. Also, maybe one of the most genius and mind-blowing uses of having a lot of old footage of yourselves. There's in the time travel sequence, they use actual, like the same cameras like you and I were using, Brendan. Like, they've got footage from like those kinds of cameras of themselves doing these things, and they like wrote and edited their way into like themselves accidentally interacting with their younger versions, but it's not CGI, it's like this is actual footage that was shot in 2000, whatever. Wow. It's mind-blowing. Um, but yeah, it was just such a I just had so much fun. It's such a silly, hilarious time, and uh, I was just like, man, I I really enjoy that. It's rare to, you know, watch a movie that makes an imprint uh in that way. Um, so yeah, that was my what's good. That's awesome, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

And it's getting great reviews. Like I see eight out of ten on IMDB and 98% on Rotten Tomatoes. So it seems like they're loving this movie.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

But yeah, it's just it's just a really goofy, and I I don't think you need to like know the lore or like be familiar. Like it's almost like even if you went in blind, you would kind of get what's going on right away. Um, but yeah, it's just it's just it's just a good time. How did you hear about it? Uh I think the algorithms and like them doing their press run is what started to push it my way because I follow a lot of comedy, I follow a lot of podcasts, and like these guys started showing up promoting the movie. And I was like, man, I know this guy because he directed the BlackBerry movie, and I thought he used that movie's great, and I think he's brilliant. Uh, the guy with the Fedora in the posters or whatever you may have seen. Yeah, he's like, and so his he's directing, he's working on his next movie, which is gonna be it's not a biopic, but it's gonna be a movie about a chapter of Anthony Bourdain's life. Um, and like it's got like an all-star cast uh in it too. Um and so he like is making big movies and then on the side, like seems to like coming back to this uh thing that's like so beloved. So yeah. Is that a comedy? The one about Anthony Bourdain?

SPEAKER_01 15:25

I don't think like a drama.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

I think it might be like I think it might be a drama that has funny things that happen and funny moments. Because the Blackberry movie felt the same way. I was very shocked how much I'm a big fan of like these movies that uh dramaticize like corporate like tension events, whatever, like uh, you know, like what's gonna happen. And this movie, the Blackberry movie obviously charts like the rise of Blackberry and then maybe kind of like the fall of Blackberry. Um, but they have such hilarious moments throughout uh and and you know, Glenn Harton is is the king of being funny in a role where you know the character is not trying to be funny, the character is being deadly serious, but you can't stop laughing in a very always sunny way because he's like a fucking psycho in that too. Um so yeah, that was that was a great movie. So I could see it still having comedic elements.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

Nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

It was great.

SPEAKER_01 16:18

I gotta admit, man, when you said when you started off, it was like, my favorite thing is Nirvana, the band. I was like, all right, I mean, yeah, man, we're not stupid. We know we're Nirvana, it's uh I don't know if you guys are familiar.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

You don't have to clarify. Listen, I was giving you guys an opportunity to maybe be familiar with this Canadian duo that's been doing funny shit online for 20 plus years. I should have known better.

SPEAKER_02 16:42

Should have. Um what's good is that uh pretty low key, but today's Luke's birthday, actual. So he turned seven today. And um, and so that's cool. Just we had the party this past weekend. Umfortunately, yeah. I mean I talked to you guys about it, but uh sounds like it it uh it was pretty good and enjoyable for the most part. Megan said that a couple of his friends that he um invited over were a little bit wild. Um it's something that were in a good way or a bad way? Uh in a not so great way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that's what we're both um like Lucas play like he's he plays physical and rough and he's always you know chasing down his sisters and tackling them and rolling on the floor. And Megan and I both like really don't like it. Uh, you know, just like it's as hard as you're trying to teach, like, hey, don't put your hands on someone else, like that's how someone gets hurt, etc. etc. All this sort of stuff. And but like it seems like that's how his friends play as well. That's how he plays. And it is just one of those things, like as much as we hit him, like, man, I like this is just the stigma of boys, right? Like that's horseport. How boys play, like they roughhouse and they like that's what they do. You know, I don't know what we're like, I don't know how we stop it, you know, besides just like you know, hitting him back. I don't know. Like, I just don't like I feel bad, like because it's just like you just he has a lot of energy, he has a ton of energy. Yeah, um, and that's how to get it, but I guess like when he was opening presents, the other two boys that were here were just insane. And we and we were talking to our neighbors across the street that were here. Um, you know, and I was like, I was like, hey, uh uh and I was like, hey Emily, like if you had to rate the party, like what would you rate it from a scale from one to ten? She's like, oh, ten out of ten, like, great party. I was like, really? She's like, what opening gifts was an experience. I'm like, yeah, why do you say that? She's like, those two boys, I mean, they were just like pile driving each other on the couch, Pikachu was being tossed across the room. And like, we have a bunch of like, you know, in-laws and parents and grandparents there and stuff. So like I can't imagine, and like, because like Megan texted me after, she was like, Well, that was awful. I'm like, oh boy, well, that's not that's not good about a birthday party. And I guess it was just that one part, but it's just something that we're like coming to terms with of that it, you know, it's how they play, it's trying to give the appropriate guardrails and like limits of hey, you know, what is appropriate and what is not. But it's also just there's this, I don't know if I've mentioned it here before, but there's a subreddit called Dad It. And it's just about like dad things, like dads are on there just talking about, hey, this is what happened, you know, this is a life hack that I learned, this is an experience that I had, etc. etc. So it's just good, like I follow it, and you know, there's some good questions or topics that come up on it. And then uh and then one of them was basically just like, you know, hey dad's out there, just a reminder, like rough house with your kids. You know, like that's like especially with like boys, like especially before, you know, they've had a day where they've been at school, like sitting at a desk, like they have all this energy, like it is great to like run around with them, you know, wrestle with them, tackle them. It's kind of like teaching them like the safe, you know, what the limits are um that they can kind of respect, and like that's a great way to get their energy out. And it was a like a reminder of that. Um, so uh just getting back onto the birthday party. It sounds like it was good, and uh except for that one thing. Um, but again, Megan and I are thinking are at the point where like, hey, he's not deliberately hurting anyone, he's not doing it to be mean, it's just how he's playing and getting energy out. We don't love it, uh, but like it feels weird to punish him and to like really come down hard when like that's just like his natural instinct is just to like play and tackle and you know roll around. Um, so just dealing with that. But yeah, he's seven, he uh you know, he had tons of sweets today. He had we do chocolate chip pancakes and we always do a number, we do a number of the year that they're turning in a pancake and take a picture with them, just an annivers, just a tradition that we do with every kid. And then he brought in uh big donuts to school, he brought munchkins to baseball practice, he did really well as baseball practice. It's really enjoyable seeing him out there. Um and uh yeah, again, just really proud of the kid that he is and um and the man and the little man that he is becoming as a seven-year-old figuring out this world. Um, so uh yeah, just uh that's just a good thing. Another year in the books, it's always sad looking back on pictures. I guess he went through some pictures with Megan uh over the weekend of his past birthday parties and you know who he was back then. So it's always sad as a marker of time passing, but it's good that it is that like we're still in the middle of it, you know. It's like yeah, there's good times in the past, but there's still a lot of good times yet to come. Um so it's just a uh point in time and the good times are are are still happening. So uh so that's good. Yeah, give it a couple years. I know. I was just talking to our neighbors uh uh because they their daughter's in sixth grade. And so you know, my my perception of things that I have a more I have like a Catholic school. Upbringing and mindset where it's like you do K through eight. Um, but you know, obviously the the general public school is that you do K through fifth grade and then sixth through eighth grade. But I was talking to them, I was like, man, I think my least favorite age for kids is eighth grade. Like I hate. Hate is a strong word. But man, eighth graders really bug me because like they're like the old kids in the school, they're the senior kids in the school that think they're so cool and they have everything figured out, but it's like, dude, you're 12. Like you like, you don't like you aren't anything right now.

SPEAKER_00 22:31

Some some of them, a lot of them have gone through puberty, so it looks like the weirdest combo of like children and then the like mustaches and some men. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

Yeah. Yeah. I I I don't know why. I have a weird memory of us going to the AMC theater in Danbury, and like we could always know when there is like a little group of like tween, you know, eighth grade kids. Like, God, these little shits.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

They all will have been driven there by their moms, but I swear to God, when they're together, they're like, We are kings of the world. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:03

They have so much confidence.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

It's our this is us and everyone else just living in it, and we're gonna be funny and loud and do weird shit to our friends and like act like it's fine and it's wild.

SPEAKER_03 23:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:15

So I told their, I told their uh, yeah, I was talking to their daughter. Sounds weird, but like we are all in like a group, you know. I was like, but I was like, hey, right now you're cool, you're in sixth grade, you're humble, you're figuring things out, you know what your limits are. In two years, I'm gonna hate you. I'm gonna really think that you're awful, just so that you know this is coming. Um but all right, yeah, cool. So that's my what's good. Um moving on. Uh just uh we are kind of uh you know, deep into the transfer portal. I know that we've talked about it here. It's just another reminder. Brandon brought it up to me the other night about Villanova basketball. That what did you say that we have that the only return that we have one returning?

SPEAKER_01 23:58

We had one we had one more person who was a freshman who never played, who was in the transfer portal, pull out and say he's gonna stay. So we have two. We have two returning scholarship players on our basketball team. And I think one, maybe two incoming freshmen, everybody else is a transfer. Who in and there's three, I think, that are on their at least third team. Which is insane. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:24

Which normally would mean that you're not a good player, that you're a country, you know, that you're a uh what's it called? Not a countryman, whatever. Journeyman. A journeyman, thank you. That you're a journeyman, that you're just filling a role for a little bit, but you know, totally different in NIL. You could be, you know, great players are just one and done every year, they're moving on to different teams. But yeah, just the fact that we have two players coming back from our team last year, and it's totally new. It's just I I mean, I guess other teams, other big names uh schools, blue blood schools, uh deal with this a little bit more often. But it's just a weird position to be like, I have zero feelings about our team next year. It's impossible to. Like, how can I? I'm used to having either hope for a team or like, oh man, this team, it's not gonna look good, but we'll see how Jay Wright can get them to play together. Uh now it's like these brand new people, you know, you have no idea. It's like, hey, they scored, you know, they you know, they average 20 points in the Mac. Like, okay, well, does that transfer to, you know, a power five, you know, school or conference? And, you know, who knows? It's just you have no idea who these people are. It's like, all right, well, I don't know. I'll wait until they start playing and I'll figure out how I feel about them uh now.

SPEAKER_01 25:33

So the just the really disheartening part is like there's like this is like the new norm. Like there's no everybody is dealing with this and it's getting worse and not getting better. And it like it would be one thing. Like I and I I get the NIL and the players get paid and whatever. It would be one thing if some of the transfers were transferring getting their payday, but then you would have like some that are like sticking around. But it's like it's everybody is jumping every single year, and it's across the board in in collegiate. And it's like, man, there's like this, it's it's creating this bubble and like all this investment. And I don't I don't know where it's gonna go or what it's it's gonna be, but it's like it is it's it's out of control. I saw one of the one of the like transfers that Nova had gotten last year uh was Devin Askew, who was in the 2020 recruiting class. He came, he came up with Cade Cunningham and uh uh who's the who's the guy on the uh he was the first round pick for the Cavs? Evan Mobley. Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley, like he's in that class and he's still playing in college because he's like just transferring and like has had these red shirt years and these these other things. It's like, man, like what are you doing? The guy's like 25, 26 years old now.

SPEAKER_00 26:46

Damn.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

What what is happening? It's it makes it so difficult to care about any of it.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

I think the oh man, I'm trying to make sure that I get this right. Chad Baker Mazzaro, uh, you know the guy for USC. He was, you know, one of the best players in the country, but he like quit. He just quit on the team essentially. Um uh and and and they just like released him from the program. He is the same age and was in the same draft class or would have been in the same draft class as Zion Williamson, who feels like he's been in the NBA for like forever at this point. So you have guys who are still in college, you know, to think that Zion Williamson could theoretically still be playing college basketball is is like insane that they were like equal. But yeah, the game has totally shifted. I was talking to so uh the guy I was flying with his week, and he was actually a walk-on at Clemson football. And so uh it was refreshing that I could actually have like uh you know talk sports and athletics with him. But he brought up something really interesting that like I I haven't heard of or even like considered how this changes the um like the perception of things, but that there are no more walk-ons. Really? Like every college player is a scholarship player now, which like it makes total sense, right? But every player is a scholarship player, and I was talking about how you know, like I I actually meant to like do more research on that because he brought that up and I was like, man, that's like that's that that's like so that's such a significant indicator of how things have changed so dramatically, is that every player, and then like how that feeds into like Title IX, like and like where does that money come from? Where's all this additional money that like used to have X number of scholarship players and X number of walk-ons that you weren't that you'd have to work, but now that everyone's scholarship players, like think of all the football players that are out there, they're now all scholarship. Like, where is that all the additional money come from in addition to your NIL portal? So, like that's what he mentioned, and like it makes sense because then it gets it gets kind of muddy, like, hey, like if you're getting paid by this person or you know, just work that into your contract, work that into your NIL contract if you want to have your education paid for. But it just further you you know points to like what are we doing here? Just create, just make it a minor league, like separate the education. That's what it's become. Yeah, just separate the school part from the athletics part, you know, like you can do both, like, hey, the education's there for you to get if you want, just work it into your NIL deal, and we can have your scholarship covered. Um, but if not, just come here and play basketball, play football, do what you want to do. Like, don't worry about you know, trying to pass your calc one class. Like, you know, what like what are we doing here if you don't want to do that?

SPEAKER_01 29:27

Um I'll be really interested to see how like the fan experience goes. Because I'm I'm it is it's getting so hard to continue to follow and to continue to care about it because like the whole point of it, like like if you if you watch an NBA product, or even if you watch the G League product, like the NBA's development league, and compare it to NCAA basketball night and day. Like it's just like it's it's a different level, like NCAA basketball uh objectively is a shittier product product that they're putting out on the court. Like it is if like the the actual sport is not as like objectively, they're not making the right plays all the time. That's like part of it is that these are supposed to be like amateur kids, and the connections you have from them is because they go to this school that you're either a fan of because you grew up being a fan of, or because you went there. And like that's the connection. And like that's that's a big part of the reason on like why I I I gave a shit at all about Villanova basketball is because, like, you know, like I remember being on campus and seeing these guys walking around and like see them by the Oreo and had class with you know Corey Stokes. Like, like there, there's that like kind of community connection that you have to these these athletes that's just not at all gonna be at present at all. And it like it it's not there at all. So it's it's kind of like like why do I care about this team that's really just a like a a shittier version of a professional team that plays right down the road in the city that I would rather like that I would rather watch. That's a more enjoyable experience to watch because they are professionals. So it's like it, like if I if I don't have that, and I don't I don't know if I'm alone in that, and I don't know, or I I don't know like how prevalent that is across college sports, where you know, if you're gonna be a diehard for your school, like do you care about whether they're actually like students of the school or actual represent like student athletes, like representatives of the school, or they just happen to wear the name on the front because you paid whatever NIL to them. Like I I I I I don't know how that's gonna shake out like in the macro and how everybody's gonna feel about it, but I know like personally, like I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna be like on the way out if things don't actually like start to to change or normalize.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

I will say, I'll see, I know damn sure. Come March, yeah. Um yeah, come March Thursday of the opening round of the FCAA tournament, you're glued to your TV having the least productive day of work ever, you know? So like at the end of the day, regardless, you know, they like yeah, for us as like sentimental Villanova fans, we know that the experience is totally different from when we were there and even from like years past, but I'm still gonna follow them. I'm still gonna hope that they do well. And regardless of whether they're in or not, I am locked into the NCAA tournament. So at the end of the year, for those three weeks, you know, I'm all in. So I don't think that's gonna change anytime soon, regardless of NIL and you know who goes where and what.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

But I do think you're right. I do think they need to figure out a way to better align compensating these kids for the amount of money that they're generating at the end of the day, but at the same time figuring out incentives that are in sync with like staying at your school. Because I do think like part of the product that also gets uh ruined is like the narrative of like, you know, now if there's like some nobody's school that nobody ever expected to be good, and like a guy comes out there and like explodes and is incredible, there used to be a time where you'd be like, man, I can't wait to watch what that school can do for the next couple years. Now he's big and it's like, cool, where is he gonna go? Because he's not gonna stay there. And like I think those kind of stories are probably genuinely missed. And like in so many other kind of parallels in the world, like if all of the money is gonna be amassed behind a few like big programs, like UConn's definitely a benefactor of one. Like, we got cut like an insane check and we got to keep like some amazing people because of it. But that's boring, that gets boring. Um, so I don't know. I do think they need to figure out a solve for that because otherwise, like whatever made the NCAA kind of special does feel like it's being eroded away a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

Yeah, so can you imagine like with Davidson when Steph Curry was there? Like Steph Curry would have been gone. He would he would have he would have absolutely made made Bank of it gone. And then it's like you and then you we missed out those three great years of like Davidson being in the in the tournament and seeing what they what they could do and and watching Steph in that environment. Like I it that just would have it like just would have sucked. And I think that there's there's a it's gotta come to a head at some point with the amount of money that that's going around. Because I don't think I don't think these power schools are going to continue to throw that level of money around to these kids that are not staying, because even like even the big schools are getting some of their top talent that's just that's just going to the the next highest bidder. Uh and they're like it all of the schools are looking for like the new shiny thing that they can invest in to like land this new you know transfer recruit. And uh it's it's gotta there's gotta be an end to the to the merry-go-round at some point because I don't I don't think that people are gonna say I don't think uh and maybe maybe I'm wrong. Maybe donors are just gonna keep throwing money at it and watch it burn and not really carefully.

SPEAKER_02 34:37

Which they will, which is why the only thing NCAA has to come on has to come down and and create guardrails and rules for it. You know, they have to have more strict rules uh about it. And until they do, yeah, it's just gonna be a free-for-all. I mean, who knows? Indiana did it in football. You know, they said, hey, look, anyone can do it. We got a cheap coach, we got good players, we got a bunch of money coming in. Uh, I mean, I guess all their money is like next year. The models are out there, and even Michigan, right? None of their starters, uh, they were all transfers for this year. So it's working for those teams. So now everyone's like, oh, well, anyone can do it. Um, so we'll see. And I and I also wanted to mention just last thing on the uh college sports was that I saw that last night for UConn that solo ball is surgery and he's out for next season. Yeah, it sucks. And yeah, it sucks. But then even then, very first thought is like, oh man, I wonder how this affects like NIL deals for him. Like, is he still getting paid for this? Could he go somewhere, you know? Like, like immediately, that was my first thought. It it it wasn't from a basketball perspective at all. It was like, oh man, I wonder if he continues to get paid or if he can leave and get paid somewhere, you know. Like, does this freeze his contract? Like, all this sort of stuff was like, I don't know, but it's just weird. That was my first thought. It's like that's what not about UConn, not about solo ball. It was like, oh, I wonder how this affects his paycheck and who's paying him. Yeah. You know, like I don't want to pay a guy if he's sitting out all year. Why'd I do that? So is he getting nothing now or not playing? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

I don't I don't think NIL can be tied to specific like on the field or on the court performance stuff. I yeah, I just don't I don't I don't think, but yeah, I I don't know. But it's like it's like all of these all of these schools now have these, like they have full departments. They have somebody who like heads up who basically serves as a as a GM, which brings it back to it's just becoming a really shitty developmental league, which is just sad. Uh but oh one more uh one more thing that I did see for college basketball. Um, because I think Paul, if if Paul's gonna listen to this, would be interested in seeing Billy Donovan became available. Yeah, sucks that it happened after BC already filled the the position, but oh man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

I've heard some w wild things about him becoming like the Big East commissioner or him. Oh, yeah, because filling in for Golden at Michigan if if he goes up because he's rumored to go up to the Warriors after Steve Kerr. Um yeah, there's some wild stuff going on about Donovan. But it's crazy that like he was the OKC coach? He was the Bulls. He was the Bulls coach, which that which that was exactly my point. Was that like if you asked me, if you asked me whatever I you know, my time frame might be wrong on this, but like three years, four years ago, who was the coach of the Oklahoma City Thunder? There's no way I would have guessed Billy Donovan. If you asked me six months ago who is the coach of the Chicago Bulls, there's no way I would have said Billy Donovan. You know, like I knew that he was like out there, but I wouldn't have been able to place where he was, what he was doing. So it's surprising that he's still such a hot commodity, you know, because like he's not the coach of the Thunder when they're winning finals and has this, you know, all-star team, and the Bulls are like, okay, but they're a playing team, they're nothing special. So it's not like he's like making waves in the NBA, but on the college scene, it's like everyone just thinks back to his Florida years and you know, them going back to back. And it's like, oh, Billy Donovan's available. Oh, wow, he could totally turn around a program when like just like we were talking about NCAA, totally different game now. It's not about recruiting anymore, it's just who's writing paychecks to who, like, how much is the coach even an integral part of that? So it was just it's just surprising that like I feel like most people weren't following Billy Donovan as much, and it seemed like he was like, Okay, cool, he's just bumping around there, but like now he's being talked about in all these circles about coming back to college and changing a a program like he did to Florida, which is I don't know, to me, it was surprising that he's still thought of in that way, you know. Um all right, moving off of uh the boring basketball talk for everyone that's not a college basketball fan. I have a low I have an update. Okay. Logan had to get blood work today. Oh no. Oh no. So as a quick recap, uh you know, a number of episodes ago in flu season, I to I told a story about how Logan had to get her flu shot and it did not go well. She was kicking the nurse, she ran out of the room. It was a huge scene until I literally had to hold her down and you know, muzzle her until they got the shot in. So uh not great experience. So that was just like a quick, a quick prank in the shoulder. Now uh the blood work is that because she has a peanut allergy, and we are trying to determine if she still has that peanut allergy. So step one is that we they have to do, you know, the is that is that they have to do blood work to see if her tolerance has increased or decreased to it. And then after that, then they do like an oral ingestion. So now this is blood work where it's just her arm is out there, they have to stick a needle in and it has to stay in there, and she has to stay still while they get blood. So Megan purposely scheduled it on a day that I was going to be home. And she was like, Brennan, you know I can't do this myself. Like, I need you here for this experience. I was like, okay, cool. So we're, you know, we are gearing up to go to this. We go to the allergist first. We thought that she was getting it there. They were like, no, we actually don't do the blood work here. This is just like us talking it through, and then we're like, we'll fill out the order for the blood work, and then you guys can stop at a lab like on like the way home and they'll do it. So she was all geared up for it. She had like her stuffed animal and you know, she was ready to go. But then we wound up doing it on the way home. Uh, we get there, and um, and then you know, the lady's like, hey, you know, you can go ahead and hop up here. And Logan's like, Well, is it okay if I sit on someone's lap? They're like, Yeah, and she's like, So whose lap do you want to sit on? Logan's like, Daddy's. And I was like, Oh, okay, here we go. Here we go. I'm like stretching out. I'm like limbering up my hips, I'm getting ready to run, you know. So, like, so we sit down uh on it. She goes on my lap. So Logan's in front of me, obviously looking away. And then the um uh and then the nurse or the one who's administering uh the the test. She's like, All right, so how do we do with needles overall? And I'm like shaking my head vigorously behind her. I'm like, don't bitch the needles. Don't bitch the needle. I'm like, yeah, she was like, oh, so not good. Okay, all right, well, let's see how this goes. And she's like wrapping her arm with the tourniquet to make sure Logan was an absolute champ. Wow, I have no idea what happened. She just stuck her arm out, she looked at it, she the nurse brought out the needle and was like, okay, cool. I found the vein, it's right here. All right, it's just gonna be a little prick. And I was like, oh my god, here we go, here we go, here we go. Logan just stayed there. She'd watched the needle go into it. She didn't say anything, and she was just saying, Yeah, I've gotten blood work before, so this isn't too bad. And just the needle went in. She just stayed still as she watched the blood come out. She gave a little like, ah, it hurts a little bit. I was like, I was just in shock. I was absolutely stunned. She had to get blood work before. She pulled it out, yeah. For this um, for this peanut allergy, she had to get it before. So I wasn't there at the last one. I was at her very first one, but she was like a baby. And like she did she actually did pretty well with it, but you know, she didn't she didn't really know anybody, she didn't know what was coming. Megan was at the uh the one, I don't know, a few years ago when she got it. Um, and uh, and and I don't know, you know, I wasn't there first, I don't know how that one went, but I mean, seeing what it was like with just like a little flu shot, like quick prick in and out. Yeah, she freaked out. I was like, this is gonna be miserable. But she was she was awesome. She stayed miraculously stayed still. She watched it the whole time as it happened. Uh yeah, yeah. Megan and I and I were looking at each other like, what the hell is going on? Like just like I've gotten blood work before. What do you think was gonna happen? That was her expectation. That was her her reasoning for, well, I've gotten blood work before, so this isn't too bad. All right, cool. Are we done here? Like, and then she just walked out. Like, holy shit. So uh yeah, I don't we will see again when it's flu shot season again how that um how that changes. But yeah, so surprising update for the better for Logan with needles. Uh that was really good. All right, where are we at? All right, I've got a quick I'm gonna skip I'm gonna I I've got a quick top five list. It's Easter right or sorry, it is spring right now. We are in the throes of it. The warm weather for the most part is pretty good, vibes are pretty high. But I have a top five list of things that I hate about spring because spring is my least favorite season by far. Number five on the list, bugs. I don't hate bugs. I like bugs. I like picking them up, I think they're really great, but they're around, and as a homeowner, bugs are more of an issue. You know, I live back in the woods a lot, so we get a lot of spiders. They're around, there's cobwebs everywhere. They're, you know, I'm always finding like like like those like little like crawled up dead spiders on their back uh everywhere. There's, you know, our traps are full, our like sticky traps are full of different bugs and lizards and things like that. Just all over. And as a homeowner, you're just a lot more aware of the amount of bugs and making sure that you get rid of all of them. And you know, we have wasps that are flying around. Our neighbors, our neighbor, I don't have to get into any any more details about it, but they are putting in beehives. They he wants to start a bee farm. Um, so now we have that whole thing. So just that's crazy. So just so just the abundance of bugs and like mosquitoes are gonna start coming out again. Like bugs uh are number five. Number four, warm weather, great. Hot weather, get out of here with that. Like when it's hot, when it's just 90 degrees out, and you know, and I just start sweating again. I mean, the middle of the summer is terrible, but spring starts it where it's hot. Uh so like the middle of the day. Sounds like a summer list. I mean, but spring starts, but spring starts it. Spring is where it all starts to come together because number three, allergies. I don't know if you guys deal with it. Uh man, the month of April is just miserable between watery, watery eyes, runny nose, sneezy, it's always right around Luke's birthday. And it's like you just feel like death when it just hits you. And it and so allergies with all the pollen, especially where we are back in the trees, like you just walk outside and everything's covered in yellow pollen. You're like, well, I'm in for it today. Uh so number three, that's it. Number two, I think if you had to rank the holidays, for me personally, Easter is last. Easter is last on my list of holidays. If you can find a holiday that you think is worse than Easter, I'm all for it. Because for me, it's just like I don't know, bunnies and flowers and pastel colors. It's just like, I don't know, peeps. It's just like not really my thing. It's just nothing.

SPEAKER_01 45:53

Or a bottom tier.

SPEAKER_02 45:55

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 45:55

A bottom tier treat for sure.

SPEAKER_02 45:57

Yeah. So it's just Easter's in the middle of it, regardless, you know, separating the religious part of it uh from it, but just like as like a non-secular holiday of Easter with the Easter bunny and stuff like that. I'm just like, meh, it just it does nothing, nothing for me. So I think it's a bottom tier holiday. Uh again, separate the religious stuff. I'm not trying to offend anyone anyway.

SPEAKER_00 46:21

I can't wait to cut those parts out. I'm just gonna have you saying it's the worst holiday. I'm gonna stitch other words together about how you don't care that he came back, especially the religious part.

SPEAKER_02 46:31

Yeah. And uh, number one reason why I hate spring is mowing the lawn. That this is more of a personal thing, but because my lawn is unnecessarily big and it has made me realize that I do not want a lawn nearly this size for my forever home. But it takes me three and a half to four hours the whole thing. Yeah, I push it. And you know, we've gone back and forth about whether I'm gonna ride on. My neighbor's like, hey, you can borrow it, but like where the house is situated, it's at the bottom of this hill. So we get all of the runoff. It just sits in my lawn. So my lawn is very, very wet. So even on like my push, I have to be very careful because if I like push off too hard, if I dig it in, it'll well, yeah, a it clogs up really quickly, but then also like I can you can tear up the actual lawn and create divots in it. Yeah. Um, like I've had a guy come out and mow it with a ride-on lawn mower, and it's like torn up part of my lawn, so I'm very aware of that. And so like I mowed it last or uh uh two Saturdays ago from now. And then on Thursday, Megan's like, hey Brennan, uh, I think that the lawn needs to be mowed before the party on Saturday. I'm like, I did it five days ago. There's no way, there's no way, please. I can't. I mean, I agreed with her. I was like, I know it needs to be done, A, because we have a party, B, because it looks like it needs to be. But I'm like, it was five days. I cannot be mowing this. I cannot be spending four hours a day every five to six days mowing this lawn. So the spring just brings me back into that where I'm like, man, fall and winter, it's like great. I don't have to worry about that, but it's such a time commitment. It's more of a personal thing because I'm pushing a lawn mower for four hours, but yeah, that's my top five list of reason why I hate spring.

SPEAKER_01 48:14

Um let's go into the what's that? I'm just like I it's just weird because like I like spring. And I've always thought that like spring was like one of my favorite times. But like I'm I have a f I find it really hard to argue with any of the things that you have on your list or be like, yeah, this is like what's awesome about spring. Like, well, there's flowers. Like that's kind of like it's kind of lame. Yeah, everything looks nice, looks green. Yeah, uh, that's not really it. So what else is there about the spring?

SPEAKER_02 48:46

Yeah, I love warm evenings. That's my favorite thing. Yeah. Spring, summer, like the evening time when it's like dusk, and like you're not just in like direct sunlight getting beaten down on, and it's still warm, but it's comfortable out, and you hear like you know, like the last remnants of like the birds chirping at the end of the day, and and you know, like the little hum of the bug of the tree frogs that come up of their little croaks at uh at night. Like that part's really, really peaceful to me, and I like that.

SPEAKER_01 49:14

Yeah, that's nice, but you but you get that in the summer too, and summer nights are summer nights are better than spring nights.

SPEAKER_02 49:19

Yep, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 49:20

And like you get the fall crispness of of the nights, which is like, yeah, I don't know. It sucks. I I have to I have to ask myself, I could do some soul searching on this on spring to figure out why I like it. Because I think I still do. It's part of it is probably like you get daylight savings that comes back into play, so you get the longer days, you're coming out of like the throes of winter, but I think it's just the euphoria of like that first day where you like you're outside and you're like, ah, like this is what it's like to be nice. And when it's bright and like you're you have sunlight streaming through the windows. Granted, you get that in those other other seasons, but I think it's like it's the fact that it's coming back after not having it for so long that is like the treat of it, where it's like it just puts you like I find I think it's I like spring because I'm in such a good mood. I find myself in such a good mood during the spring because it's like, yes, we're back, baby. We're gonna be outside and handle stuff. You know what I think is the vibes for vibes.

SPEAKER_02 50:19

I think that spring is a fluffer for summer. Yeah, that's what I think it is. I think it's that, oh, summer's close. This is the indication that summer's close, and summer is like great. I mean, it's not my favorite. I don't like the heat and all that sort of stuff, but it's like, you know, now you have like the pool and you have vacations and you have, you know, the summer nights, and you have all this sort of excitement and like good holidays like fourth of July, like are going on. So I think it's a fluffer for summer. I think that's the best part about spring, but I could do without it. So all right. Uh Sarab, what you got for this week in history? All right.

SPEAKER_00 50:53

Uh used to be a little bit of a slog uh to find like ones that I find interesting, but we're getting there. I got a few. First one was uh April 21st, 1986. 30 million people watched this uh on TV and it made it the highest-rated syndicated special in history, which was Geraldo Rivera. You guys know the the music and news anchor. The anchor, yeah. She opened Al Capone's Vault on TV. What? Yeah. Um, and the reason we don't know about it is because uh they opened it and there was nothing there. And so and so 30 million people watched like was a very, very anticlimactic uh reveal uh that it was just a bunch of debris and stuff, not like some cool special things.

SPEAKER_01 51:43

Wild to me that they didn't vet that out and like plan that and then like stage the opening. That they they just like took it like without knowing what could have been in there, they're like, yo, let's just play the special. Yeah, like everybody watched.

SPEAKER_00 51:55

The first you know first sense of like live streaming, you know, like yeah, something like that.

unknown 52:00

Huh.

SPEAKER_01 52:00

Uh wait, is that in Chicago? Do you know?

SPEAKER_00 52:02

Is that where his vault was? I think so. Not seeing that detail here, but it might be. Random. Um another thing that I thought was kind of interesting. Uh in 1985, April 23rd, um, Coca-Cola introduced something called like new Coke or like a new Coke thing. And um they're saying how like in blind taste tests, consumers generally preferred new Coke over both Pepsi and original Coke. So in Blind Taste Tests, they preferred New Coke the most, but they reacted negatively anyway, just on like the news of the original Coke being changed, and they flooded the company with like up to 8,000 calls a day. Um so like it became one of the biggest flops in history just because people didn't want change, even though it actually performed better than it's whatever, and in some ways became really good free advertising for Coca-Cola because like you know, so many people were up in arms talking about it that like it was obviously doing wonders for them for uh you know, people just talking about Coke. Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 53:10

Yeah, yeah. New Coke was a was a m mistake.

SPEAKER_00 53:13

Yeah, I didn't even I didn't even know that was a thing that had happened. Uh last one that I found kind of interesting. Uh you know the the musical Annie?

SPEAKER_02 53:22

Annie was actually started a Canadian group called Annie Annie the Musical.

SPEAKER_00 53:28

Yes. Annie the Musical, no. Um I didn't know that Annie was started as a comics trip. Uh and it was a comics trip by a guy who hated FDR and he hated the New Deal. Um, and so Annie was his vehicle for attacking uh that administration and their politics. Uh Annie as the orphan represented self-reliance. Daddy Warbucks represented benevolent capitalism, and the government help was the villain. Um, yeah, so that was all kind of the basis of the comic strip. By the time it hit Broadway in 1977, um, it had been repackaged as a wholesome musical about hope and optimism, essentially inverting everything its creator had actually stood for.

SPEAKER_02 54:16

I wonder if the creator had a put had a hand in the musical or if they like bought the totally changed it.

SPEAKER_00 54:23

Decades and decades later. So I don't even know what he may have just had to like he may have just like it's a classic case with like just selling the uh rights or whatever, and then people do whatever they want with it from there.

SPEAKER_02 54:35

Interesting beaver situation.

SPEAKER_01 54:37

Yeah. I was I was I was gonna say, I did I and they get granted, I don't remember the details of of the Annie story, but I never read it as overly political. Um but makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 54:47

I wonder if the Yeah, I wonder if the comic strip really was like really, really more explicit or whatever. But yeah, yeah. Yeah, sounds like else this week other than the invention of marijuana. Whoa. The invention of it. 420 was when it was when it was invented. Yeah. In a lab by Richard Nixon.

SPEAKER_02 55:12

Well, uh, I just want to make a uh a Google correct again, this is Google, but just to clarify when I was talking about walk-ons or other that they don't exist. I did Google it and it said, uh, yes, walk-ons still exist in college football, but their prevalence and opportunities are shrinking, especially as the NCAA Division I FPS level. Uh while many programs still use walk-ons for roster depth and practice squads new 2025-2026 NCAA rules, such as higher scholarship limits up to 105 and roster caps are reducing the number of spots available, making it harder to walk on. Yes, they still exist in some capacity, but not as much. And the m vast majority have higher scholarship limits. Um, so more people are on it. That's uh clarification from earlier. All right. Uh okay, cool. Kind of a good segue from Sarab's What's Good earlier about the movie that he watched about Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie. We were talking about how well received it was. This trivia game is centered on rotten tomato scores of various movies. So I have three different rounds here. Uh, and so each one has uh a different way of playing, and I'll go through each one as we get to it. So the first round um is that I'm gonna give you two movies, and you just have to say which one you think got the higher Rotten Tomato score. Okay, and we're gonna credit score, right?

unknown 56:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:35

Rotten tomato score. But not the audience. Sorry, yeah. Uh yeah. All right. And so if you get it correct, you get one point. And if you don't, you get zero points. Great. All right. So your two movies for the first question are Independence Day in 1996 and Armageddon in 1998. Which one has a higher rotten tomato score? Who gets to go first? Is it is it Brandon this time? Let's see. Since Sarab is still is still leading, he's up five to two now in the overall series. Belt to ass. Belt to ass. So I'll let uh I'll let Brandon kick his kick it off with his guess. Uh I'm gonna go You know what? I'll give you and I'll give an extra three points uh if you can guess within two percent of the actual uh rating. So you can give me a movie and what you think is the percentage.

SPEAKER_01 57:37

Okay. So the movie that I think is higher, I'm gonna go Independence Day. And I'm gonna say that that's at 78% on Rotten Tomatoes. 78%?

SPEAKER_00 57:47

I'm gonna go just to switch it up. I'm gonna go Armageddon, and I'm gonna say it was forty six percent.

SPEAKER_02 57:56

Man, that's it's very interesting how you guys answered that uh because you're both right and you're both uh right and wrong at the same time. Okay, interesting. But so the correct answer is Independence Day was the higher, and it received a uh a tomato meter score of 68%. So Brandon guessed 78%. Armageddon actually sits at 38%. While both are 90 staples, critics generally preferred the fun of the aliens over Michael Bay's asteroid disaster. So Brandon, like you guys both guessed the correct range of where the movie was at. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? Uh so so uh uh so Brandon is correct, he got Independence Day, so he gets one point for that. Um all right, so uh for the next one, your two movies are The Godfather Part Three and Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker. So this is a sequel showdown for it. Which one do you think is higher, Sarav?

SPEAKER_00 58:59

Uh Godfather Part Three, and I'm gonna give it uh 67%.

SPEAKER_01 59:04

I mean, I'll be shocked if it's not given all the discourse around the rise of Skywalker, but that's kind of what's making me want to go contrarian on here. But uh I'm gonna go Godfather part three still. And I'll go sixty-three percent.

SPEAKER_02 59:21

Wow. Okay. Uh so you're both correct. The Godfather part three, despite being a black sheep of its trilogy, it still at ranks the rise of Skywalker, which holds a 51% score. The score for the Godfather Part Three, 66%.

unknown 59:36

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 59:37

So because of that, so because of that, Sarab gets an extra three points, and Brandon missed it by one percentage. Damn it. That's the way these fucking games go, man. You guys were both correct within a reasonableness of the percentage, but wow, wow. Sorab almost had it nail on the head. All right. Uh the last one in this round, your two movies are Hocus Pocus in 1993 and Hook in 1991. Which one had the higher tomato meter score? Brandon. Tomato meter?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:10

I'm actually gonna go, I'm gonna go hook, and I'm gonna say that's at 71%. I'm gonna go hook.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:16

I'm gonna go 59%. Okay. So while you guys were almost all correct on the previous one, neither of you were correct on this one. Hocus Pocus, really. Really? I heard terrible reviews. So this is a battle of the rotten. Hookus Pocus barely edges out at 29%. Ultra Pam die before becoming beloved family classics. Hocus Pocus, 38%.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:41

Wow. I thought, yeah, I thought Hook was like in my mind, I'm like, I still believe Hook is a good movie. So I do too. Hook is great. And and like Robin Williams, I feel like that's like same thing with Hocus Pocus.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:53

I think most people would think would, you know, I think it's probably hard to separate personal nostalgic feelings from like a you know critics. Critics. But you can, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:02

Like there's a lot of Disney Channel originals we love.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:04

I think if you ask most people, hey, what do you think of Hocus Pocus? People be like, movie. You know what I mean? Like without being like, oh, you know, the acting, the score wasn't that, you know, whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, so it's just surprising that both of those beloved movies are you know got shit on.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:20

Um, and so sorry, just to clarify, I guess that this is so the tomato meter score, uh, you know, I should have clarified it or you know found out earlier, but I guess that that's it sounds like it's that's more critic score. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, so you guys had that understanding. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:35

All right. They don't do like they do a cinema score, but like the real one that matters has always been the critic score. Okay, all right, cool. So you guys are both under the same pressure for that.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:44

Good. All right. So at the end of round one, Sarab is leading four to two, really, just because he was off by one percent from the Godfather Part Three score. Yeah. All right. Moving into round two. So the way this one is gonna work is that I'm gonna give you a list of four movies. You have to rank them in order from high from lowest score to highest score. Okay. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:12

Okay. And so wait, so and so like the worst to best.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:17

Yep. Worst to best, lowest to highest. And so you can get a maximum of four points if you get everything correct, but you'll get one point for every correct position that you got. All right. All right, your first list in it is uh 2000's heavyweights. So put these in order. Gladiator in 2000, Avatar in 2009, Mean Girls, 2004, and the Dark Knight, 2008. Gladiator 2000, Avatar, 2009, Mean Girls, 2004, The Dark Knight 2008.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:54

Am I going first for this one? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:57

Yes, you are. Lowest to highest. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:00

Um going mean girls, avatar, dark knight, gladiator.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:05

Just so I can remember. Mean girls, avatar, dark knight, gladiator.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:10

Okay. Brandon? I'm gonna go gladiator as the lowest.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:14

All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:14

Oh, oh shit. Wait, wait, wait. Sorry. Uh I'm okay. No, I gotta I gotta go backwards. Lowest to highest.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:20

Okay. You that's how you listed yours, right? Lowest highest. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:24

I'm gonna go Dark Knight, Mean Girls, Avatar, Gladiator.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:28

Dark Knight, Mean Girls, Avatar, Gladiator. Okay. I can I will tell you that between the two of you, one person got one point. Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:39

Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:40

So again, the four choices were were uh mean girls, dark knight, avatar, gladiator. The lowest. So I'll work highest to lowest. The highest rated rated movie was The Dark Knight at 94%. Uh calls it the gold standard for comic book films. Yeah. The next highest, mean girls at 84%, a rare certified, fresh teen comedy with staying power. Next, Avatar at 81%. Critics love the visuals but were lukewarm on the story. And the lowest was Gladiator. Surprise. It because it won best picture. I was gonna say less unanimous than they were for the others.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:25

Wow. I really fully thought Gladiator was gonna be up there. Yeah, I knew the Dark Knight was. I knew Dark Knight was in the 90s, but I didn't think it would be number one. Damn.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:34

Yeah, yeah. So uh with that, only Sarav had Avatar placed correctly um as the uh as the second one.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:43

Damn, that one got us.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:45

Yeah, yeah. I mean, all really close together. Yeah. So uh so with that, uh after the first one of round two, Sarav's at five points and Brandon is at two points. All right, your next list, so these are Tom Cruise Career Peaks, and your four movies are Top Gun, Top Gun Maverick, Fitch and Impossible Fallout, and Jerry Maguire. So Top Gun in 1986, Top Gun Maverick in 2022, Fitch and Impossible Fallout in 2018, and Jerry Maguire in 1996. Randon, place those in order from worst rated tomatoes uh tomato score to the best. I'm gonna go Top Gun, Jerry Maguire, Fallout, Top Gun Maverick.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:34

I'm gonna do the same, but I'm gonna swap Top Gun Maverick and Fallout. I think Fallout is the highest.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:40

All right, so you're gonna go Top Gun, Jerry Maguire, Top Gun Maverick, then Maverick, and then Fallout. Okay. I will say that one of you has it correct in the correct order. Wow. Oh, damn it, it's probably Sarav. The one who has it in the correct order is Sarav.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:59

Fuck off.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:02

So Top Gun uh was the lowest at 54%, the ultimate trap. It's an iconic classic, but it's technically rotten. Critics found it to be a shallow recruitment video in 1986. Next was Jerry Maguire at 84%, so a full 30 points higher than Top Gun, a high prestige drama that held his top spot for years. Then next was Top Gun Maverick at 96%, a rare sequel that vastly outscored the original. And then the highest was Mission Impossible Fallout at 98%. Critics considering the pinnacle of modern action filmmaking.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:36

Unfortunately, I am wet all too aware of the Mission Impossible Rotten Tomatoes rankings, uh, especially because we never reached the Fallout highs again after in the follow-up movies, but I I was like, nah. That's that's at the top. That the trailer for Fallout should have won an Academy Award by itself. It's one of the best movies of the year.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:00

Yeah. Is that remind me, is that the one with um Henry Cavill cocking is Henry Cavill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean it's how can you forget that one?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:08

But also, like, it's such a silly and viscerally satisfying thing to have the percussion in music matched up to punches flying. It is. Yeah. Like, God, it just does something.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:19

It's great. Okay. Uh all right. Last one of round two. Sorav has opened up. Oh, sorry. Actually, you know what? You still get three. Yeah. Uh sorav is up nine to five right now. Still anyone's game. Yep. Still anyone's game. All right. So your third list and the last of round two is from the wizarding world. These are all Harry Potter movies. So uh so put these in order. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer Stone. So that's bookslash movie number one. Sure. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azcaman, book slash movie number three. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. Book slash movie number five. Five. And Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows part two. Uh book seven and or second half of book seven and movie eight for that part.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:16

So put those four in order.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:20

I'm gonna go uh Sorcerer's Stone. Prisoner of Azaban. Deathly Hallows. Order of the Phoenix. Alright.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:31

Um brand them all.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:34

Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna go Sorcerer's Stone. Order of the Phoenix. The Prisoner of Azgaban Deathly Hallows part two.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:42

Okay. Between the two of you, there are two points. The correct order at the lowest was Order of the Phoenix at 78%. The lowest of the eight f films felt that the pacing was off. I got that completely backwards. Next was Sorcerer's Stone at 80%. Um and the debut the debut is fresh, but was seen as a safe literal adaptation. Next was Prisoner of Azcaban at 90%. Widely considered the most artistic entry of the series. That's Alfonso Curron.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:17

I think that's still Guilmore Del Toro, too, right? I think he came in during the couple of things.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:20

Alfonso Coron.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:22

Oh, that's right. Alfonso Curron. I'm getting my Spanish directors mixed up.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:26

And then the highest rated was Deathly Hallows Part 2 at 96%. Critics nearly all agreed that the series stuck the landing. All right. So with that, Brandon gains two points. And so he still trails Sarab by two. Brandon has seven points. Sarab has nine points going into the final round, round three. All right, made it. So this is called the bullseye guess. So your goal is to guess the exact tomato meter score for these for these three films. All right. So I'll give you one at a time. Do they all have the same? Is that is that what it is? No, no, no. Nope. Totally different. I'm just going to give you a movie. You have to guess what its score was. And then I'll give you points. Let's see, I'll do one point if you're within 10%, two points if we're within five uh percent, three points if you nail it. Sound good? All right. First movie, this is for Brandon. Star Wars The Last Jedi in 2017.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:29

This one was was pretty popular with critics. I'm gonna go 84%.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:35

I'm gonna go uh 96%.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:40

The score for Star Wars The Last Jedi, 91%. Holy shit. This highlights the critic fan gap while the audience score plummeted to 41%. Critics love the risks director Rean Johnson took. So Brandon, that puts you within 10%. So you got a point for that. And Sarav, I'll give you four and a half. I'll give you within five percent. So I'll give you two points for that. Alright. Uh so that puts Sarav at 11 and Brandon at 8. Going into the next one. So Sarav, this is uh for you. The movie is Forest Gump in 1994.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:20

I'm gonna go 81%.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:21

Okay. I'm gonna go 78%. All right. The score for Forest Gump was 76%. People assume this is a 90 plus movie, but many critics at the time found it overly sentimental. To sacrint. Uh let's see. So Brandon, you are, I'll say you're within 5% there, so you get two points. Sarav, you're within 10%. So you'll get one point for that. So that brings Sarab to 12 points and Brandon to 10. Going into the final. It's the last one. Final movie. Final movie. Alright. The movie is gonna be a stinker. The Room in 2003. Boy. The Room. Brandon, your mouth is open.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:10

Familiar with the movie. Do you know? I mean, you may have seen it. Do you know the movie? Wait, that that's the is it is that the one that was about the shining? No, no, no, no, no. You're thinking of something else. This is a movie made by a guy named Tommy something. No, I forget what his name is. But yeah, it's been memed to like oblivion. All right. I have another one. We could do this one. Just because like I don't want one that he doesn't know, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:36

But if he doesn't know what it is, it's hard to it's hard to.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:39

I don't think it would have helped either of us guess that mean me knowing, but either way, that's fine. Yeah. Well, can you tell us what it was?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:46

Are you guys are you guys cool with me just switching it up to one that both of you? Yeah, that's fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:49

Can we still just guess what this one was? Uh I'm gonna say 13%.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:55

Um you were close. It was 24%. Tommy Wissau's disaster isn't at 0% because several critics reviewed it as a fascinating piece of accidental comedy.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:07

Yeah. Oh, so they made a movie called. Tommy Wissow, yeah. They made a movie called like Disaster or something. The disaster, and it was like James Franco playing uh Tommy Wissau, and like uh I think like Seth Rogan was in it. Like they made a movie about making a movie because it's such a legendary thing. And people still watch there's screenings of that movie to this day because people love like watching it following, yeah, just laughing at how bad it is. That's the guy with like the dark hair, the like and he's like real yeah. He's also just like a real life mystery, like he still never answers questions about like where he has money, where his family's from. Like yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:44

All right, so the movie that I'm replacing it with that I know that both of you guys are familiar with, is the Super Mario Brothers movie in 2003.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:54

Okay. 2003 with the the real life guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:58

I'm gonna go. What do you mean the real life guys? Like with live action? No, 2003. Yeah. There's a super is that that's not the live action one?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:07

That is a live action one with John Legwizama.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:10

Yeah. Why am I thinking it's the first one? It's the animated one. You thought that was 23 years ago? Sorry. 2023? I 2023. 2023. I'm like, guys, no, I'm I'm like, it came out a few years ago. It's just like just came out the second one.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:29

Like I thought that that other one was older than that, but I was like, maybe maybe 2023.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:34

All right, my fault. 2023. I'm glad I'm like, we would have been we would have been so far off.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:39

Yeah, I was like, guys, are are you stupid? Whose turn is it to guess? Is it uh is it Brandon's guess or my guess? I forget. It is gone first. Uh who guessed the last one?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:50

Uh I think it's me, because I think I went to the first one.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:53

Um, Brandon for the Super Mario Brothers movie 2023. 2023. Animated movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:04

Yeah, I feel like man, I gotta I gotta get this one right. Right on the money. I'm gonna go 71%.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:14

Sarav. You thought that movie was fresh? I'm going 53%.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:20

Despite earning over $1.3 billion and having a 95% audience score, the movie is technically ride. Critics generally felt it was a great visual spectacle, but lacked a deep enough story. The score was 59%. 59%.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:39

So Sarav, that gives you closer to fresh than I expected.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:42

Yeah. That gives you one point technically. It's because you're outside of it. Not that it really matters. And Brandon, zero points. So uh that brings to a final of Sarab with 13 points and Brandon with 10 points, giving Sarab another win. Sarav is now up six to two in the overall series. Man, I feel like they've all been close. They've all been there. Sarav has just had one or two. It really came down to you getting close on the Godfather score for that one. All right. Cool. That wraps up our trivia uh section. The reason why I uh question of the week is fairly generic. I um the context behind it is that I'm looking into, I don't know if you guys are have have any knowledge of it, but I'm looking into YouTube Premium uh because it includes YouTube music. So really I'm just trying to find the difference between YouTube Music and Spotify to see if it's roughly the same or if I'm gonna miss anything because it includes it for free. So like I don't really need YouTube premium, but the fact that but I do watch a decent enough amount of YouTube videos where like if I could get essentially my music taken care of plus get ad-free YouTube, that it could be worth it. So I'm on like a two-month cover.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:55

I've heard that alone has been life-changing for people.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:58

You know what is the what is the biggest thing for me so far that was unexpected when I did it? Um for me personally, because 95% of what I listen to is podcasts. Um, I'm between like three or four different podcasts, and that's like primarily what I'm listening to. So the the awesome benefit of YouTube music is that what it does for the podcast, because all of the podcasts that I listen to are also, they also have like a YouTube uh recording of it. So what it does is that it pulls the YouTube video. And so like my podcasts are essentially the YouTube videos that I can play with my phone off, but like the podcasts that I listen to, they do a lot of visual bits where someone is dressed up as something or someone is doing a challenge or something like that, where like if I'm listening to it and they're doing something like that, I can just unlock my phone and I can watch and I can watch it because it's because it's really frustrating on the Spotify where it's just audio only for it, yeah, that I can only hear it and it's like, oh man, like I wish I could, I wish I could see this. So that's a real benefit that it's like a podcast that I can listen to on the same 1.8 speed and it speeds everything up, but it's just it just pulls the video uh that it syncs up with, which is really awesome for me as a podcast listener in that medium. Um, so with that, I'm trying it out for two months and we'll see how it goes. With that, I was wondering uh what is the most valuable subscription that you have? Obviously, pretty much everything now is subscription-based, even down to our Microsoft Office, if you want to have Word or Excel, uh that they uh that they have a subscription model for it. So with everything being subscription based, what is the one that is most valuable to you? That I guess if you could only have one, what would be the one subscription that you would keep?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:40

Well, I wouldn't go that far because like that's just sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:45

I know, but you know, you know what I mean. Which one is most valuable to you?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:48

Yeah, I would say for for us, it's gotta be prime, Amazon Prime. It is just the amount of of shipping costs alone that we have saved through the free two-day prime shipping. And getting that we've talked about it before about like that next day morning delivery where it comes at like 4 a.m. We've utilized that a ton, which I don't think uh I don't know what the cost of that would be if you didn't have prime, but the the convenience and the fact that we don't even have to like think about it and we can get something in the next morning that we know we're gonna need for the next day uh has been has been huge because it's the logistics of going out to a store and buying something with the four kids is hard to wrangle and wrap my head around and to figure that out. And just the fact that we don't have to and can order something and know that in in general, most anything that we would want or need can be here the next day. If you if you if you take all of our individual Amazon orders and then like tally it up, I'm positive that the the return on investment that we've gotten for that is like far and away above anything that any other subscription that we would have done. Other like second would probably be Spotify because if we don't have like a hatch or anything like that, so you know it like plays the kids bedtimes at night and like anytime that we have to like throw something on to just get Millie to s stop crying and start dancing, um, could just like throw something right on onto Spotify, like car rides anytime we're going up to New Hampshire, uh we don't have to worry about like fighting radio stations, can always get what we want out of out of that. So that's the one that we probably if you're looking at like the one that we utilize the most and the one that like I actually use the most, it's probably Spotify because there's um an element of that that's on every single day. Uh the one that's the most valuable and the one that I would probably choose. And I was trying to think because it there's been stuff that I've watched on Prime Video. I can't think of anything that's like current that's going on now that I'm like, like I need to know. Well, yeah, and like like there's sports stuff that's on the street.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:53

Right, but there's NFL games on Thursday night football.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:56

Yeah, but they they get those going on. Yeah, I guess I guess Thursday night football. Um well, I yeah, I mean, those are always so shit. I don't know how much value that actually brings. Um but no, I I think that there's there's been movies and and series that if I could think about it, there's there's probably something that we've watched. That's like an added benefit.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:12

There's like The Boys and uh Fallout and a bunch of these other shows. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:18

Reacher. That's that's probably that's probably been the uh the the most valuable and the one that we would have to have to keep around.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:26

All right. Srav? I so I was definitely thinking about it a little differently because to me it's like can't the one that I would have to like not be able to live without probably would be Spotify, because like, you know, music is a constant for me, obviously, similar to what Brandon was describing. But in my mind, I look at that and I look at like the streaming services almost as like utilities, quote unquote, of like media consumption at least. So it's like I I'm not like you know, I don't consider them like valuable so much as just like baseline things that you need. Um I would say if I like got into my head, what feels like the most valuable right now is my subscription to Claude, um, which is the AI tool from Anthropic. Um and that one, uh it's twofold. One is, you know, and I can give some credit to like ChatGPT for this too, because you know, I I do use that still, but um as someone who's always like tried to be very resourceful and self-sufficient and like learn things, figure things out on my own, um, it has just been a game changer. Like there are so many things where I can, you know, learn something, understand something, get smart about something at a a speed that was truly never before possible. Um, and it's also just opened up how much of that I can do. Uh from like, you know, I was able to I I went through this whole saga not that long ago where I woke up and I thought uh my my internet was out and I was like, oh, this is weird, and my modem wasn't like blinking on. And I was like, maybe it's dead, and I looked up some random stuff on Google and it was like, oh yeah, these things like they're they don't last that many years. Like after every two or three years, you gotta replace your modem. And I was like, Oh, that's weird. I've had this for four and it's been fine. And so I went and like I talked to like the cable people and or the internet provider people, and they were finally like, we don't know what's going on, come to the store, we'll just replace the unit. So I did all this, and this is all on a Friday, so I'm like doing this while I'm working, and I'm like literally on the go and on my phone working like constantly, and I'm looking at apartments because I need to move, and like it was a crazy day, and I had to like work from a restaurant for a bit because I didn't know if I was gonna have internet. I got the new unit, came back, plugged it in, still nothing. My dumbass then realizes that it's just power of like a certain corner of my apartment seems to be out, and so I was like, oh, what the hell is this? And I just didn't know what to do, and I was like, I can't not have internet, and I have like a I have like a very long extension cord. So I like plugged the the the the uh modem through the extension cord to like my kitchen so that it would turn on and then I was fine, but I'm like I have all these wires on my floor now, like this is crazy. I'm like making a you know uh uh a huge deal with uh the building manager because I'm like you guys gotta come fix this. And then I was like, let me just ask Claude too, and I just described it all. And Claude was like, Oh yeah, do you have like uh, you know, do you have access to like a circuit breaker or anything, like the the unit, whatever? And I was like, Oh yeah, I do. And it's like, okay, do you see any of the switches doing this? And I was like, Yeah, I see one doing that. And it's like, yeah, just move that one all the way to the right and then all the way to the left and make it fully on. And I was like, Oh, okay, do that. I fixed my own problem. It was just that, like something had happened, and like, but the fact that I was able to get that information and fix it with Claude in 15 seconds, and all I could think about was why didn't I start my day with that instead of going on this weird goose chase? I was just like, God damn, man, this shit is like the value that it's added to my life and being able to like figure things out like that and do it that quickly, incredible. Um, so that's one piece of it. The second piece of it is uh I think I texted you guys a while back that I was like, I wanted to talk about like a a new thing, not in I don't want to call it therapy, but in that realm that uh I've been very like surprised and uh uh appreciative of, and it has been that of like uh I've basically been using Claude as my daily journal, uh, but I've also given it like instructions and skills specific to what I want from this uh use of it. And I've trained it, or not trained it, I've directed it to basically uh respond to everything I say by like digging in to like the best like literature research books about like everything related to like psychology, psychotherapy, self-help, like and it has been incredible only because this is my favorite way of processing information. When you when I give you a bunch of shit and you get to be like, what you noted here is interesting. So-and-so in this book talks about this theory of blah blah blah, and then like lays out what it is. I'm like, what to me, I want that. I want like what feels like a genuine academic like thing that's breaking down whatever I'm experiencing and trying to connect it to like this is a pattern that people have seen here, or this is a condition, or this is a thing that happens that people sometimes you know deal with, blowing my mind. I'm just like, I love that so much more than I could, you know, only have like someone just interrogate my feelings when I get to feel like I'm just subjecting myself to like an always-on encyclopedia that is just pulling out stuff and spitting it back at me and being like, here's this, here's this thing. Um, it's been amazing. And it's like, I don't know, it's it's it's unlocked something for me that I really like uh in being able to reflect. And um, I feel like I've I've it's it's it's cracked something where because of what I'm getting back, it's influencing me to be a lot more honest and transparent. I think sometimes you don't realize, even if you were like journaling or like writing down your thoughts, you're not you're still like doing some filtered version a little bit. Like maybe you're not really feeling okay being raw out there. Um, but I feel like it's because I'm like, this is so cool and so interesting, I want to be more transparent because then I'm getting really even more like useful information back. Um, so that's been awesome. And like I honestly like I I I I love it. Uh and then the piece of it I really uh appreciate is. Especially more than what I was getting from doing uh uh Chat GPT, which kind of floundered after a little while, was it doesn't try to be a yes man or try to be like very supportive. I've actually found it really interesting that it pushes back and says, Hey, like, I kind of want to check you on this thing you said. I don't think that's the way to think about this. I think it's actually this, this, and this. And it like really is kind of like, and it, you know, doesn't do it like aggressively, but it is very firm. And I'm like, yo, I like that. Uh and I'll give you guys an example, um, getting too real for a second here. Uh I was I was having a back and forth with it over the weekend, and I was kind of like, you know, one thing that's been on my mind is um I feel like I've been uh single for so long uh that I've or not single, I've been away from dating for so long, but I also feel like I don't have that uh energy and spark I used to have, where like the thought of being in a relationship would be so exciting to me that like it would be what would motivate me to like want to be out there dating. And I'm like, why do I not have that? Like, I feel like I used to like love watching rom-coms and like experience this feeling and I'm not getting it. And uh it took me down a wild path of like, first off, like everything you're talking about sounds like your idea of like love in a relationship is just based on like movies. Um, I'd love to ask you, like, what do you think? Like, if you were to fall in love, what do you think it would look like? Like, how would you like describe that right now? And I was like, that's interesting. I've never thought about that. And so it was so good, but it's like Claude coming out deep. But it's like prompting me in ways where I'm like, fuck, I never thought about that. And weirdly, in parallel, I was talking to my buddy Andrew, and he it's not even that we've like we knew that we were both kind of doing these things at the same time, but he was asking, you know, Claude questions about like stuff that he's always dealing with, mostly about like wanting to, you know, he wants to start his own company and like be an entrepreneur, but also he wants to do this, but also he wants to do that, but also there's this idea. And he was telling me over this weekend complete coincidence. He was just like, Yeah, like I it just Claude will be like, Hey, you're you're doing this thing again where you're just like getting excited about a random thing. Is this actually what you want to do though? Like, let's focus. And I'm just like, that's amazing. The fact that it has whatever it is to like check you and not just be like, that's a great idea. I think we should do that. You know, like just that is what we were getting from ChatGBT forever. Um, so yeah, I'm just I'm just really uh that would be my most valuable subscription because it's just doing wonders for me in a multitude of ways right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:42

You know what it is? I think you guys are actually subscribed to a guy named Claude who's sitting behind here answering all your shit and pushing you on stuff. It's it's not even AI, it's just some dude in the basement being like, yo, give me your dark secrets about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:56

I have I have seen a meme of some guy texting a friend named Claude, and it's like, hey, uh, what's this? It's like for the third time, this isn't funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:06

Man, it's funny that that as soon as you uh said that, I immediately thought of Claude from Along Came Polly, played by Hank Azari. Yeah, and now I'm imagining him answering it. You want to do this koopa? You want this koopa? Man.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:24

Sarav, Sarav, what do you get out of the subscription version of that that you don't get out of the free version? Is it a matter of like volume? I don't know. It's not cash.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:34

I I I never I if I dabbled with free versions, I forgot.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:38

Srab's on the free version and Claude just suggested that he should go for the paid version, and Sarov's like, you know what? That's a great idea.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:46

No, I don't know. I think because I maybe used like or tried to use the free version of Chat GPT a long, long time ago and found that the paid version was so much better. With Claude, I just went right to the paid version. I didn't even bother with uh with what the free version was. Gotcha. Yeah, I never dabbled with Claw. But I'm also sure maybe you can't do some of the things that I've been doing, which is again, like I've given it like specific instructions within this like project. And so it is like actually focusing around everything that it classifies as you know, me journaling and looking at that, but then also putting it through the lens of what I've asked it to, um, which just makes it pretty interesting. So I don't know if you could do that in a free version. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:30

And yeah, that's it. Yeah, that answered my question of like why Claude and not any of the you know multitude of free versions, because it seems like they're pretty powerful, but I don't deal with it enough or prompt it enough to know what what its limitations are. Um, so that's interesting. But two things, I mean, as we've talked about here, like I always have a a little bit of a skeptical eye about these sorts of things. So, like two things that were that uh just struck me as just like kind of a little sad. One was that you went through this whole day of dealing with like the professionals of like your internet and power problem, and then you were like, Man, I wasted so much time. Why didn't I just go to AI first? And I could have solved my problem. It's like exactly what AI is doing that's replacing all the like, why would I go to the experts, like the trained professionals, the people who have spent years doing this when I can just ask my phone and I can come up with the answer myself and figure it out quicker and I can just do it. You know what I mean? Like that alone is like, oh man, that's sad. That it's like it's true, right? Like, it's true. Like what it did was faster, better, more, you know, they were, you know, we've all talked to your Comcast provider, yeah, and you have a very specific issue, but you have to go through X, Y, Z, you have to send them this report, you have to do this, you have to explain all this other information, like, dude, just the light's not coming on, man. Just give me some quick troubleshooting tips so I can do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:45

Which AI can do, right? It's a it cuts through all the other bullshit and just tells you, hey, these are some things that you can try right off the bat.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:52

But I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's like replacing experts so much as I think what I was able to solve is what someone who is like remotely handy about their home would be able to. Like I would expect you guys to probably be able to figure that out too. But I, you know, I live in New York, I live in an apartment, like that didn't occur to me. So I don't know. It's it's it's it's more mundane than it would be. But yeah, again, I do reason.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:14

Yeah, I think just replacing the people aspect of it, of like just like what you said, that might be something that people call their dad about, you know. Oh man, my dad's handy. Like, let me just call him up, be like, hey man, like I don't have power here, and then like your dad, you know, it's like there's that YouTube video where the guy just says like dad things. Like, hey man, this is how you unclog a toilet, this is how you shave. It's like it replaces, well, I don't have to call my dad, right? Like, I can just ask my phone again. It like replaces the human experience from it when like I can just ask my phone and it'll give it to what I need. I don't need anyone else except for this, you know what I mean? Um, so that was like the first thing that stuck out. And then the other thing that uh, you know, I think that uh you could just see it going the wrong way, but you were like, hey, like it's it isn't just a yes man, it's not just an echo chamber of your own thoughts, it's actually challenging you on things. You could definitely see it like going the other way of like, okay, like it's it's molding how you're thinking about certain things and it can shape the way that you might not think personally, but it's like it provides so much background of like, oh, well, this person says this person, so maybe this is how you should think about it. It's like, oh, well, yeah, you're right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like it could definitely adjust a more like you still have to have a critical thought and not just be in like receive only of like, oh, well, this AI told me this and it sourced it, and it had back up, you know, it had you know papers of these smart people that said this. So I guess this is how it should think. Like, maybe the earth is flat, you know what I mean? Right. Yeah, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:38

I would say it's worth it's worth like having the context that like I would say 70 to 80 percent of what I get from Claude the first time is bullshit. Like it's and I I would say in other contexts, right? I will say it's been pretty, pretty on point from the uh like journaling kind of uh therapy-esque standpoint. Like that stuff, I'm actually surprised at how like well that function is working. I also feel like it's a product of like how and detailed you can be in like your instructions for it, and it follows them really well. But yeah, I I use I use it all day for work stuff too, and I get so much stuff where I'm like, you're dumb. Like, you know, even the trivia like thing, I told you, right? Like trivia is one of the most frustrating things. I actually weirdly feel like ChatGPT did better where I'm like, why like this is boring? Like I asked for these other genres. I I told you like three times to stop giving me three fun facts about the same thing that happened, and it just doesn't. So I feel like if you are someone who uses AI a bunch, it is easy to like remark and tell stories about the moments that it impresses you, but like if someone was trying to survey your entire experience, it's very easy to be discerning because so much of it is off. Um, so it is just the moments where it does get you with something where you're like, that's fucking cool. And I'm only accepting it because I see the value in this prompt and this thought, not just that like I'm letting you start to influence how my you know train of thought is. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:08

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, it's yeah, that's cool. That's a good one. I like that. Well, I'll keep uh I'll keep mine short because I think yours is a good uh you know, introspective one. Mine's more shallow just on the surface. But uh I'll say for mine, it's YouTube TV. It's probably my most recent one. But especially as someone that travels, uh just the trend especially the transition from Comcast to YouTube TV was so monumental in terms of what I could do with it and the flexibility and all this sort of stuff, you know. From I can adjust my channel lineup exactly how I want it to be. So like the channels that I frequent, I can, you know, order them however I want. Um, the fact that it's just an application that I can have on my TV, I can have on my phone, I can have my computer, on my iPad. Megan can have it on here, I can have it on wherever I am. Whenever it notices that you're traveling, it just says you just have to sign it, you have to log in back to your home every 30 days. So it's just I travel a bunch. So it's just like, hey man, like are you traveling? Cool. We'll update your channels based on the Seattle area that you're at, and now you get all of this stuff. Um, the fact that you can re that there's no like DVR, there's no space that you're taking up. Yeah, you just click, I want to add this to my library, and it automatically, anytime that it's on TV, it records that episode and it it and it orders them by season and episode. So like I just have the full catalog of the office that I had, you know, like, and it just keeps it for nine months, and as soon as that new episode comes in, it records it again. So you just and then you just go into like, oh, I want season four, episode five, like whatever it is, like it categorizes it perfectly, and you can just add ton whatever you want. You can record or add to your library everything, everything that you're semi-interested in watching, because there's no DBR, it just it just sends its stored on the servers that they have in all these data farms, and then it just gives it to you, and then it just like puts it in your library for you to access from the server whenever you want. Um and uh yeah, and then the multi-view when it comes to sports, like it is just worlds better than Comcast. Yeah. So like it just it almost frustrates me that I had Comcast for so long that I didn't make this jump. That um from like a sports viewing, you know, there are movies that I just that I'll be like flipping through and be like, oh man, I really wish I could like catch at some point. And like rather than finding it on some streaming site, I'll just add it to the library and I'll just come back and I'll turn it on. Um that I can like be in a hotel across the world and I can pull up my recording of Saturday Night Live and I can just watch that. It's like it just like changed my life about how I viewed programs.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:42

It like I've been a YouTube TV guy for so long, and I feel like it's we we it's like we take it for granted at this point, but like it is it is stupid that like we were trying to find a place to go uh grab a few drinks on Saturday night. We're like, oh, it'd be cool to watch the next game. We should go somewhere that has it on. And then uh my buddy suggested a place, and I was like, I don't think that's a sports bar, I don't think they have TVs, but all right, whatever. I guess maybe we'll watch the second half of the game somewhere else. I get there and he just has his iPad there, and he just puts up the iPad, and we just get to watch the Knicks game, just not having to be at a sports bar. And I'm like, this yeah, like this is fucking awesome. And like YouTube fucking cocked the shit out of like cable providers by just having that technology, not like, oh, we can recreate your TV watching experience and D VR. It's like, no, you can also just like put this up anywhere, anytime. Like you have service on your phone, watch it here. Like, it's no one has the infrastructure to do what they were like, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:43

And even if you think about a household that, right, like you might have a TV in the living room, a TV in the bedroom, TV in the other bedroom, TV outside, TV basement. Like you have TVs all over the house, right? And then if you had Comcast, you have to get a cable box, a box for each of them, yeah, for each TV, and then you have to pay a monthly fee for that box to service that TV. Whereas now you could either you could get, you know, A, if this, if the if it's a smart TV, you just pull up the app, log in, cool, you're on, or you have a streaming device that you could just pull, you could have one streaming device that you just move to every TV if you if you wanted to do that. But like, you know, like if you want to have a TV outside, before it was like, oh man, like I gotta get like power out there, I gotta get the cable box out there, I have to run a cable, you know, a coax cable to get out there to it. Now it's like, no, no, no. I just plug in my Roku stick or Chromecast, whatever, and there it is. There's everything that I have. It just it it's it was so life-changing. Yeah, I was like, I can't believe I dealt with Comcast for so long.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:44

And the fact that they would all just like, I mean, you know, maybe YouTube will do this too, but like for the longest time, they would just like slowly just charge you more and more. I mean, internet providers are still doing that now because they're all from those same companies, but like YouTube's been pretty fucking consistent. Like, it's like start out, it was just like 50 bucks. I think it's a little bit more now because they've but they've always been like we've added all these channels. Here's why this is going to this price, and then you know, you can add red zone for 10 bucks just during the season. It's incredible. Like I love it. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:13

And then and then if you had any issue with it, you had to get on the phone and you had to spend hours talking, you know, going through different layers of people, talking to them with YouTube. Just manage it on do you just click on your profile picture and manage an account? Do I want to cancel it? Do I want to add this package? Just do everything right there. You don't have to talk to a single person. You can do it all yourself immediately on your computer, on your phone, on your whatever it is. Like it just made life so much easier.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:37

Well, look who's happy not having to talk to people.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:45

You should try it out. I thought you were sad about the human experience.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:50

I thought you were sad about the human experience, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:53

I am for the most part, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:56

Just not when there's a problem you're solved.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:58

Yeah, exactly. All right, cool. We are uh we're probably on our longest episode yet, but maybe we'll see when it gets trimmed out. Yeah. Uh either way, I uh yeah, I think that brings us to the end of our meanderings for this week. Um, you guys have anything else to add?

SPEAKER_01 1:43:16

No, just that that that's a probably an app's podcast name, our meanderings for this week. Shouldn't that be the name?

SPEAKER_02 1:43:24

Probably. Yeah. Uh all right, cool. With that, uh appreciate the listen as well. Hope everyone has a good week. Uh I don't think anything really big on the horizon this week that I can think of. Uh just more of just just just more playoff action. More shitty cigars. Enjoy that. Yeah, that's what I was gonna end it with. Enjoy your shitty ass spring week. Enjoy now knowing that it's the worst season that you could possibly have, the worst month. Enjoy your allergies, enjoy all the yard work that you have to do. Just enjoy your shitty week. All right. With that, we're signing off, and we'll talk to you everyone later. Have a good week. See ya. See ya. Bye.