Please Do Not Haunt Me As A Cockroach

A sudden dizzy spell. A Victorian woman spinning with pure joy. A jade plant knocked over like someone just danced through the room. That’s how our spirit stories start, and it’s also how the deeper work begins: noticing the sign, reading the energy, and letting it guide us into the healing we’ve been avoiding.

We tell the full thread behind Katie’s experience with a spirit “attachment” that turns out to be more playful than frightening, then follow it straight to a historic mini mall loaded with old-world energy. The visit becomes a goodbye ceremony to an earlier version of Katie, including the hard lessons of people pleasing, weak boundaries, burnout, and the subtle performance of saying yes when your body is begging for no. Along the way we talk energy clearing, helping spirits cross over, and the kind of synchronicities that feel like a cosmic wink.

Then we open the floor to more signs from loved ones and spiritual protection: Breana’s “roamer” named Bill who guarded a home near a cemetery, why a growl or a shove can be a warning from a guide, and a lifelong wolf nightmare that flips in meaning once the full picture finally lands. We also get practical about feng shui, house energy, antiques and thrift store finds, and how to use discernment without turning everything into fear. If you want to strengthen intuition, we dig into the clairs, especially claircognizance, plus simple ways to receive signs through your senses, nature, and relaxed attention.

If you’ve been seeing pennies, smelling smoke out of nowhere, hearing “your” song at the right time, or getting visited by ravens, hummingbirds, dragonflies, or butterflies, you’re not alone. Listen, share this with someone who needs a little reassurance, and leave a review so more people can find these whispered threads.

Transcript

Welcome And Ground Rules

SPEAKER_00 0:06

A whispered thread podcast where intuition, astrology, and laughter collide. This isn't your love and light playground. It's real, it's raw, and it's right now. We are your hosts, Brianna and Katie.

SPEAKER_01 0:20

Go grab a cup of tea and get ready to snuggle into your soul. This podcast is a space for shared stories, intuitive insight, and connection with spirit. Everything we offer is from our personal experience and perspective. It's not medical, psychological, or professional advice. Please use your own discernment and seek support from a qualified professional when needed.

SPEAKER_00 0:57

Welcome back to a whispered thread podcast. And today we are going to be talking about spirit stories. Yeah. I'm excited. So the whole reason this came up was because the other day Katie and I were talking about a spirit that she had, and then we just started talking about like spirit stories. And then it was like, we need to share this.

SPEAKER_04 1:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

There's probably so many people who have so many stories.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

I know. I agree. There has to be. I mean, look how many we have just in this short brainstorming session, right? Like, I know. Yeah. But I'm excited about this.

Dizziness And The Spinning Victorian

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Okay, so yeah, tell them what happened. How did this get brought up?

SPEAKER_01 1:45

Okay, so I had dizzy spells happening. I was feeling dizzy, and I never get dizzy. So immediately it's like something is wrong. Like I would stand up or even be laying down in bed, and it'd feel like the whole room would spin, or I'd stand up and the whole room would spin. And so I immediately knew, like, okay, I have something attached to me. And of course, I didn't feel any fear around it, but that was when I reached out to you, Brianna, and I was like, um, can you just like like double up power here with me and help me remove this energy? And then you saw her. Do you want to share what you saw?

SPEAKER_00 2:19

Okay, so she uh is like an older Victorian style age, and she was just so happy to be around Katie. She's literally like spinning, spinning, spinning. And I'm like, oh my god, Katie, are you dizzy? Like, literally, this is why she's just so happy, like spinning around. And you were like, Well, where is she? And I'm like, Well, do you have like steps? Because I see plants out there, like she's just observing your plants, like loving on your plants outside. But I like see stairs. I've never seen your house. I didn't know you had stairs, right? Yeah, like, well, let me go out there, and then didn't they fall?

SPEAKER_01 2:57

Yeah, my jade plant had fallen over and was on the ground, which has never happened. It's a pretty large jade tree, you know, and it it was on the ground. Well, yeah, because I mean she's spinning everywhere. I was like, oh my god, come on, then dance with me. Yeah, and so that's so funny. And I feel like that's part of the reason I couldn't see her, is because as I'm trying to see her myself, she's spinning around me almost. Where it's like, I can't spin around to see her, right? Like, I'm so I couldn't see her. So it was so fabulous that you did. And I think the most amazing, this is why it was so incredible. So the night before, I was at the mini mall in downtown Orville, and there are spirits there. So I used to work in the mini mall, I had an office there, and the building was built. I had to look it up this morning, 1872 was when the building wow, yeah, and it was the Sutherland Hotel. And so it's kind of giving me chills, yeah, because that's Victorian era, right? Like that's the in the 1800s, they're wearing dresses like that. Because what she was wearing, which you hadn't mentioned, she was wearing a beautiful dress with a sun umbrella, and that's exactly the spirits that I saw in the mini mall when I was working there. So it was like 2013, 2014.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

Um, I was like, you had stalled here before?

SPEAKER_01 4:18

Absolutely, yes. A lot of them. Oh, okay. Yeah. So when you walk into the mini mall, there's a bunch of buildings, um, like businesses, and then there's stairs that go up, which is kind of interesting. You saw stairs. There's stairs that go up to the second level. And every time I would come into work, I would see the women up there with their beautiful dresses and their sun umbrellas. And you know, there were a lot of spirits in there from that time era. It gives me chills. And there's a sheriff in there also that would um he actually, it's such a fascinating story. So he would always make me feel safe. Like I would, it was a lot of women-owned businesses in there, and we'd be in there till late. And I would ask, Hey, is it safe for me to leave? And he would tell me yes or no, and I would wait. You know, if he said yes, I would leave, and I was always fine. And one time he said no, and so I just kept my door locked, and I was looking out the window, and there was some scary looking guy in there. Like, yeah, he did he not saying, I mean, maybe he was okay, but he looked scary, and that was when I was told not to go out. And so he really, this sheriff was still like you know, being a sheriff in the mini mall all these years later. He's still patrolling, still patrolling, but there are a lot of women in those sun dresses in that space.

SPEAKER_00 5:33

That is so wild to me. I loved her dress, like I wanted it, and you know me, I don't like dresses, but I'm like, oh my gosh, like I wanted to roll like that.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Yeah, so pretty. And I could feel her joy too. So after you told me she was with me, I tuned into her, and um there was a couple different things that she needed or that she wanted or what she was presenting. But one of the things that I think is also just

The Mini Mall Spirit Connection

SPEAKER_01 6:00

so cool is is remember you said to me, Do you want to go back to the mini mall and drop her off? And I was like, I can do that. Like, I'm heading to a friend's house anyway, and might as well go do that. So I get to the mini mall and I text my friends because I was late and I was like, hey, I'll be there in a minute. I'm dropping a spirit off at the mini mall.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

And baby, like it's so funny because they know me so well, it wasn't even weird. They were like, Okay, see you this, see you soon. I gotta make a spirit stop. Hold on.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

Oh, it's so funny. So I got to the mini mall, and as soon as I walked in, I felt it. I felt my old business, I felt that old version of me. I felt, you know, because I was where I worked there for four years and had like a really beautiful time like growing my practice, and it was it was just a profound time for me of expansion and growth, and also a really tough time for me because I had no boundaries. I was people pleasing like a mother effer. And I eventually burnt out, and then that was when I decided to move my office back home. So when I stepped in there, it was this feeling of like, oh my gosh, like I'm supposed to meet myself here. So not only did she need something from me, but she was bringing me back to that space to feel myself, and so there is there is my office, it's still painted the way that I had it painted on the outside, or that the business owner had painted for me. We chose black, white, and gold colors, and it's just so beautiful. And there was a little bench and there was meditation music playing, which was fascinating, or like you know, relaxing music. Yeah. So I sat on the bench and closed my eyes, and I just uh I put my hand on my heart and I could just feel tears, I could feel joy, I could feel release, and so I took some time to say goodbye to myself, to say goodbye to that time. Like I've learned so much about not performing in that way, right? Because people pleasing, not having boundaries, saying yes all the time, that's a type of like performance, right? Because it's not true, you're not being truthful, you're doing it for whatever reason, right?

SPEAKER_00 8:11

Um well, I don't know. I don't feel like it is not being truthful. It's more like well, yeah, that's what I was gonna say. You're not being honest with yourself, like you're not listening to yourself. I w I wouldn't say that you're not telling the truth. It's for me, it's more about honesty.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

Yeah, yeah, you're not trying to deceive others or or be, you know, not truthful to others, but it's a performance in the way of like, I really want to say no, but I'm saying yes because I love you or because I I don't want to, you know, whatever. But that was a lot of what I was doing then during that time. And so trying to expand a business and not having the correct boundaries, I it didn't, you know, I went into burnout. And so it's been hard to process that time because I was really expanding and doing well, and then I kind of self-sabotaged it with my behaviors, and and not really, but that's kind of how it felt in the way that I'm trying to process it, right? Is like, oh, why did I do that? If I wouldn't have done that, I could have kept going. And I know, I mean, I could go into this, there's more truth to that, but those were some of the layers I had to heal, right? Is like accepting that that I needed to face those pieces of myself, you know.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

When I sat in the chair and just breathed into that, I was able to just love her. That that was the difference. I wasn't shaming myself. It was like I excuse me, I just loved that part of myself, that time, that space. And I never would have sat there had the lady not came to me, you know, with the sun umbrella, had she not came in and made me dizzy.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

Well, you know what?

SPEAKER_02 9:49

I never went back and did that.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

Now that I'm thinking about it, so even the way that she was twirling, right? All around you. It's like when we go outside and there's a storm, and the everyone's like, oh no, it's bad, it's a storm, right? But what is it actually doing? It's clearing you off. So it's like, yeah, let's take Katie back, let's clear her energy off because she's moved past that. She's in a new phase now. So let her come say goodbye to that phase while I twirled and gave her the air, this or quote unquote storm to have all of that be released. Gives me goosebumps. Totally. Yeah, it just hit me as as you kept talking.

SPEAKER_01 10:31

Uh I gotta tell her, yeah, thank you for that reflection. I didn't think of it in that way, and it did. Like I thought of the like it's it's tossing things up, but I didn't think of it as in like all that air clearing, you know. I love that. Yeah. And and you know, that was connected to there was a past lifetime that I've seen where I was a bearded lady in a circus, which is all about performing. She's performing for money, for livelihood. She's like, that's how she could make her her living was to perform in a circus. And so I could feel in that moment that I was finally closing the door on that too, because it was connected, right? The same energy of performing, doing what you maybe don't want to do. And in this lifetime, I was doing things that I probably didn't want to do, but I was doing it because I thought I had to for some reason. So it was closing that door also, which was really powerful because I've been trying to clear that for a long time, a really long time. But it was connected to this. I know we'll have to go into the bearded lady in another podcast.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

All of me was like, Katie, you're still not saying her name. I know, yeah. We'll go into that later. Yeah, that's a big win.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

Yeah, and I was able to say goodbye to her in that moment too. It was just so beautiful. And then after I had that moment, I also felt that the woman with the sun umbrella called me there to clear the mini mall. Also, there were some spirits that were ready to cross over. So um I did that. I helped them cross over before I left. Um, and when I was all done, I walked outside and I opened my phone because I like to take notes to remember like what I felt in that moment, you know, and it was 111. And I just had to giggle because I'm like, oh, a little, you know, cosmic wink from the universe. Oh, I thought that's when you left because you're like, holy cow, I just looked and it's 111. Yeah, I was walking out. I had left the building and I had opened my phone, you know, to take the notes as I was leaving, and it was 111.

unknown 12:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:30

Oh my gosh, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 12:32

Yeah. I love that. Yeah, it was really cool, you know, and the dizziness lasted a little bit longer after I had left her. It it resurfaced for the next couple days, and I thought, you know how you have that doubt? Like, did I did I not drop her off? No, I know I dropped her off because she's she's there, you know, and we had this whole beautiful moment. But I I still feel like it was like my upper chakras um doing that clearing and opening up. And sometimes you can feel dizzy or lightheaded when those spaces are starting to expand where they were once not expanded, you know. Yeah. So I did have to deal with that just a little bit longer. Um, and then I thought, which I had shared this with you, but it was so fascinating, is just like two days ago. So this was this would have been last month. It was April, I think, the ending of April when this happened. And just like two or three days ago, somebody sent me a picture of my sign that used to hang on the sidewalk and it says Intuitive Reading and Healing with Katie Robinson. Somebody had found that in a random building. They're moving into a building in downtown Orville and it was just sitting there. And they happened to know my friend, and she sent me a picture of it and was like, Hey, did you know this was down here? And I just had to like, oh, even right now, it makes me so happy and just smile and like, see, I closed that chapter out, you know. Like, I did that, and that felt like just more validation that that is over, you know, that timer is over.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

It just felt so cool. So yeah, that's my story.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

I love it. So I have a lot. Between the both of us, we have a lot of stories, but there's like one in particular that I just love. Well, there's two. Well, there's all of them that I do. I just, you know, when you start to think, you're like, well, I don't want to diminish that one because I also love that one, too. Right? They're all good. Yeah. Well, I think I believe it's because we learned something. Like you were talking about, you learn something, or there's that version of you in that time that you're like, oh man, like you sit back and you reflect and and you see how far you've grown from that moment, you know, that it's like, oh man, I love that time, or man, that really helped me through that time, or there's always something that is involved. Um, I was thinking about sharing Max, but I've already shared about Max in like my blog. He literally he lives in my parents' house. And so I grew up with him. And I was like, eh, I don't want to share that one. They can read about that, it's already up everywhere. You want to tell them where to find it?

Bill The Roamer And Real Protection

SPEAKER_00 15:20

Um, you can just go on my website and it it says like the blog section, it's like lesson one. Um, but the other one that I want to talk about is everybody always talks about cemeteries and like how they're terrified to catch like you know, a spirit with them or they don't want to bring one home. I lived right down the street from one. Of course you did. Yeah. But for me, I've honestly always found, like, even in high school, like with my girlfriends, we would go walk up to the cemetery, and it was always so peaceful for me. So, like, I don't know if if that is the same for you, but for me, it is always peaceful for me. It's like, oh, like I it's resting ground, everybody's quiet. I mean, it's just bodies, you know, their souls aren't there. So it's like, oh, this feels so good. So when we moved down there, I was like, oh, it's gonna be quiet, it's not gonna be crazy, like the apartment, like it'll be really nice. Well, here comes Bill. Bill's a roamer, so I call spirits who roam around roamers. I don't know what you normally call them, but I call them roamers, they don't mean any harm. And he would hang out in my kitchen, and then he would walk this track that we had in the like on the outside of our property. There was like a track, and he would just walk the track guarding the property. So everybody knew like when they came over, like Bill was gonna be there, don't freak out. Like he enjoyed parties, and then certain times he would leave and he would like go hang out with people down at the cemeteries, what he said. He's like, Oh, I'm just gonna go hang out down there, and it's like, Okay, cool, right? Like, whatever. Well, we left to go to Oregon, and we had our old neighbor watch the house for us. We're like, you can stay there if you want to do laundry, you could use whatever. I said, just don't forget about Bill. And she was like, Okay, yeah, no, it's not gonna be a big deal. Well, then she texted me telling me, Um, if your neighbors call you and are freaking out, but yeah, I had to call the cops. There's some creepy man that her son was telling her, like, was trying to talk to him and all this stuff. And I said, You're kidding, right? And she goes, What do you mean? I go, Did you forget about Bill? And she goes, Oh my god, Brianna, I'm so sorry. And I'm like, I told you about Bill. He has his times, and right now is his time. He loved summertime, so he would be outside most of the time at summertime, and then he'd come in into the kitchen, he would mess around with some of the cups like he was trying to get a glass or something, right? And then he would go back outside and do his laps. Well, that's what her boys were doing. They were outside riding the bikes and doing all this stuff, and then Bill's coming over to talk, and she thinks, Oh my god, someone's trying to come kidnap my son. And it's like, no, it's just Bill. It's that the kids could see the spirit. Yeah, yeah, they could see him, like I could see him. Oh my gosh, I love it.

SPEAKER_02 18:19

Yeah, and then they're like, Mom, there's this creepy guy out there.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

The cops had to get called, but Bill really grounded me, like because he was outside so much, right? Like he loved being outside, he loved doing laps, he was very like guarded and protected. And at that time, I was also very guarded, and I was all about protecting, like externally versus internally, and so it was like, man, I I kind of miss Bill in moments where I noticed like you need to shift that energy to okay, you trust that you are protected, that you don't need to have guards up, you don't need to have all this extra stuff around, but because he was so protective, it was like okay, I get it. So I was able to go inward, you know what I mean? Because I felt externally safe because he was doing the laps around. I didn't have to worry about it. Yeah, like we had someone knock on our door one night, and immediately it was like and it was late at night, Lewis worked nights, I was terrified because Bill popped up and said, Watch the kids, don't move. And it was like, Don't move, right? And then I hear boom, boom, boom, and we had a gate around that was you know, you'd have to open this big ass gate, close the gate, come in. So I ended up having to call the cops because I'm like, what am I supposed to do? Like, yeah, what am I supposed to do with the kids? Thankfully, like they ended up catching the guy like a couple days later. He was going around trying to open people's doors just to see if they were unlocked, you know? Oh my gosh. Yeah. Guy didn't know that I got OCD and make sure I lock everything four times. And every single time, because we lived on a busy road, right? And people would just like blaze through there like a racetrack. You have no idea how many times Bill kept us safe. When I say externally, like he literally kept us safe. We had at least four accidents in front of our house, not one touched us. I'm talking like a hair. Like a car literally rolled in a police chase, and it hit the other neighbors, rolled, and was like super close to our fence, but no damage. Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

And it's like, man, I was so protected, you know? I just felt so safe, and it was really nice to have him there. Um just those little moments, and all because I refused to not even refuse, I needed him to help me stop worrying about external things and just focus internally.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Yeah. Well, I mean, he's such valid proof that we have spirits that protect us, right? And so not only were you protected, but I feel like it's such a great lesson that the more you feel protected, the more you believe that you're protected, the more you are, just in general, because your energy field is stronger, it's more, you know, aware, right? Like when you believe you're safe, you create that safety in in all sorts of ways, energetically, mentally, emotionally. And he helped you do that. I think that's so beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

Yeah. You know, I wanted to say this because people who are listening are probably gonna think, oh my gosh, like glasses breaking or you know, cupboards being open, like that automatically means that's a negative spirit. And it's like, no, where's your energy at? Yeah. Because for me, I have yet. To come across something that I feel unsafe with, and we've been doing this a long time. I mean, I've dealt with tricksters, they're tricksters, it's not a big deal, you know. Uh you just stop giving the energy out, you know, yeah, and then it's okay. But for the most part, for me, when spirit does stuff like that, it's usually like, hey, pay attention. You know what I mean? It's like get it's like snap out of whatever mind loop you're going through right now, or snap out of whatever you're doing right now. For me, I've always believed like they're there to help you with something that you are dealing with right now. Yeah. And it doesn't even have to be a loved one, it can literally be just, you know, a roamer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

Yeah, definitely. I mean, we should always trust our feelings to a certain extent, right? But sometimes how we're how we are interpreting that energy can be all wrong and it's making us afraid when it shouldn't. Yeah. I had a I had a client one time who said that she heard a growl and then felt like she was like pushed out of the house and she was terrified. And when I looked, the only thing I could see was one, her spirit animal that was growling. It was protection. And then they were trying to push her away and out of the house from somebody that

When Scary Signs Are Protective

SPEAKER_01 23:10

was one of her loved ones, but that was unsafe in the house, and they're trying to get her attention, like you need to move out. And eventually she did. She did, but she was terrified. Oh my gosh, something's growling in the house, something pushed me out of the house, and it was literally a guide that was protecting her.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

You know what's crazy? This brought up my guide. So I'm sure I've shared this with you, but so my wolf. When I was little, I was like three, and it never stopped. It did well, it did, but not until I was older, and then it came back when I got pregnant again. But I had the same recurring dream since I was three years old, and it was always a big, big wolf. Like, of course, I was little, so it looked like it could have been, you know, twilight status, rather just huge, you know. And it's chasing me, and I'm camping, and I I get out of my you know, my tent, and I see all my family just shredded to pieces, and I'm running, running, running, running for the hills, and then I wake up crying, I can't breathe. It was like my parents had a hard time because they're like, no, it's okay, like there's no wolves, you know what I mean? Like, we're all here, it's safe. And it's like, but no, it was so real. And I was terrified of wolves, and then I got it went away for a couple years. I got pregnant. That whole time I was pregnant, every night I would have that damn dream. Oh my god. I wasn't pregnant again. Then when I got pregnant with Brindley, same thing happened. The dream came in, and it was like, I cannot, for the life of me, figure this out. Like, what am I now that I was older, it was like, what am I running from? Right? What do I feel afraid of in life right now that I need to run from? And then it's like, no, like I'm okay. And then my dad was like, hey, why don't we? Because oddly enough, the dreams were more scary and more vivid when my grandparents were there because they'd come every summer and visit. And they were always in it. And so one year my dad was like, Hey, the there's a wolf sanctuary, why don't we go? And I'm like, huh? You want me to go be with the wolves? Yeah. And he's like, Yeah, let's go. And my grandpa was there. And so we went, I was like, you know what? Let's face this fear. I told Lewis, I was like, babe, I'm going. The kids can't go, so just like keep the kids. And he's like, Okay. So I go with my mom and dad and my grandpa, and we get there, and there's this beautiful black wolf. Oh my god, she's stunning. But she and the whole thing that they have is come visit us and get kissed by a wolf. And in my brain, I see, come here and die. So I see her and she is like kind of all over the place. And then they ended up taking her out with the people and like putting her back. And my dad's like, Sister, you okay? And I'm like, No, dad, I'm not okay, but I'll be okay. And so then we go roam around, it was so beautiful. They actually did have Twilight Wolves there, like two of the wolves from Twilight they keep there, and then they had this beautiful all-white wolf, and she um could smell cancer on people. Oh, yeah. You know, my grandpa and my mom have pictures of them, they're like, Oh, don't come by me. It's okay. So then it's our turn, right? To get quote unquote kissed by a wolf, and they bring back out the crazy one, the all black one. I was like,

The Wolf Dream Finally Makes Sense

SPEAKER_00 26:50

Where daddy brought me here to die. And she didn't want to leave me. I got up on the bed and I was terrified, but then I just had to take a couple breaths. She looked me dead in the eye, and I saw it hit. We were never chasing you, we were protecting you. I was like, oh my gosh, like literally, there were people that came in and slaughtered, and they woke me up. Like I finally saw the whole thing now, you know, where it's like they came in, woke me up, swooped me out, and were saving me. They were never trying to hurt me. And it was like, oh my god, I love you so much. And then she kissed it, and then I got down, she came off, wanted to come back. It was like, oh my gosh, what a beautiful closure of that. Like just to say, sometimes we're fearful of things that we see, but we haven't been able to see the full picture yet. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

Such a great story.

SPEAKER_04 27:51

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

Uh, yeah. And what we, you know, like you said, we're perceiving it as like it's chasing me. And this whole time they're like, uh, Brianna, we're saving you.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

Yeah, we're we've been giving it to you your whole 25 years of life so that you could say, Oh, you're saving me.

SPEAKER_04 28:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

I didn't need to run.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Oh, I love it so much. It's a beautiful story. I feel like there's so many animal guide stories that we could like again. I'm like, oh, I'll save that for another podcast because animal guides are my favorite and we could go into so many stories.

SPEAKER_00 28:28

I know.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

I could too, especially with the ravens.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

But this is so perfect because it fits in so well with like protection, right? And I have a little bit of a different story that you made me think of, which again is not about being unsafe, but it kind of gives an idea of like sometimes we don't want spirits in our house. And it's not about fear, but it's about the energy of them not really supporting us, right? Like where Bill was protecting you, even if he came in and moved some cups around or whatever he did, it was full-on protection. But I had a different moment when I was first learning about spirits, and I had a lady come do feng shui in my house, and we got to the to my vanity, and she was like, Do you get like really irritated when you sit here? I was like, Yeah, every time I sit here to do my makeup, I'm frustrated and irritated. And she's like, Do you see the spirit that's here? I'm like, Yeah, that's Evelyn. She's like, Well, Evelyn needs to go. It's Evelyn that is frustrated. It's Evelyn that you're feeling. And I'm like, What? Like, I talk to her every day, we have a great time. And so it's like it's it's funny now, but so apparently, you know, every time I'm sitting there, even though our conversation, or I'm like, good morning, Evelyn, and I hear her say good morning, the things that she's feeling that she probably needed help with or need to process, and I was new to this, right? I didn't know to, I didn't know I was feeling her. It was just becoming me in that moment. And so I'm sitting there just getting irritated. And she's like, Well, Evelyn has to go. And so that was such a good teaching moment for me. Whereas like, there's no fear, Evelyn's not doing anything wrong. But do I want that type of energy she's bringing into my house? No, I don't. So I had to like say goodbye to her and move her out. She it's so funny because she would have she had like old lady like polyester pants, and her hair was like matted in the back, you know, like she was not like a pretty sight, but I loved her and I knew her name and we talked all the time. Um, but when I cleared her out, it was better in that space.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

And so, like So was it an antique?

SPEAKER_01 30:33

Like, was it something that was given to you? It was, it was an antique, but it wasn't um, so it had belonged to my um husband's grandmother, but it's like a 1920 piece, I think, from 1920s.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

Yeah, I ever since I was little, I could not go to thrift stores or antique shops like to get anything. Yeah, I lived in a house full of them. Oh god, yeah, maybe that's why you were tapped out already. Yeah, I was like, no. And so my mom would be like, Oh, or even going to a garage sale, she would be like, Look, this would look so good. And it's like, mom, I love you so much, but no, like I'll get something new. And she's like, Well, no, and I'm like, no.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

It's I could go in them. So, like, my that was one of my grandma's favorite things to do. She would clean houses and then we would go with her. So I'm, you know, pretty young. And afterwards, we would get she would give us a couple dollars for helping, and then we go to the antique store and get to spend our money because she loved to check out like what was in there. And I remember as a kid getting sleepy, but it wasn't until I got older where I'm like, oh my gosh,

Feng Shui Lesson From Evelyn

SPEAKER_01 31:40

it's just too heavy. The energy is too heavy. So even as an adult, if I go into an antique store, by the time we're done, I'm yawning and need a nap. Because it's like it's too much. Like I'm fielding too much energy, right? Like my whole body's like keeping it at bay and then I'm exhausted. Yeah, so not not I wouldn't be somebody who can like, hey, let's go antiquing and then have a great time. Like, no, we'll go antiquing and then I'm headed home to take a nap.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

No, if I find something that I really, really like, then like our kitchen table we got at an estate cell, and it's because the name of the table is Apple Valley, and that's where we were moving from. And I was like, you know, this is where I was born, this is where I grew up. So before I leave here, I do want to take a little piece. So I just cleared it and was like, okay, we're good. You know, I mean, you can you can do that, but I feel like on certain things, like, because my grandma and my mom love going antiquing, but it in the store, it's just too much, you know what I mean? It's like, no, I can't do that. Yeah, don't want to touch that with a 10-foot pole.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

Yeah, and like you said, you can clear it. So for anyone who loves antiquing, you know, smudge it with smoke or you know, seesaw, you can clear it, but like clear it before you bring it in your house.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

It's smart, not because again, a fear, but because like look at Evelyn, she was she was not doing anything wrong. It wasn't like she was causing um, like uh there was no reason to be afraid, but there is discernment of what energy works for you and what doesn't, and that wasn't working for me.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:21

So you want to clear that stuff before you bring it home for sure.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

That's what I do, anyways. But very rarely, it's like, oh, I have it's almost one of those things where it's like I have to have this, you know.

SPEAKER_04 33:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

Because I mean you can get that anywhere, just like if you go to, you know, home goods or you go to Hobby Lobby and you find something, if people are touching it, it's the same thing. Yeah, it just doesn't have as much energy as like an antique or something.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

Yeah, especially if somebody like absolutely loved that piece like for years and years and years, versus just like some energy from touching it. Yeah, yeah. They're like, I've loved that piece for 30 years, like so I'm gonna stay with it. It was my favorite piece.

SPEAKER_00 34:02

Yeah, my children did not want to keep it, and so I'm keeping it.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Oh goodness, so good. But you know, like it like we keep coming back to is like it's not about fear, but it is about being aware and then using your proper tools, you know, to to clean up and clear it and yeah, yeah, and use discernment, listen to your body.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

That's always gonna be something is listen to your body. A hundred percent. Speaking of grandma, look what I just found. Penny. Oh my gosh. Grandma's of course. I know. Yes, we're talking about you and Antiqui. I literally just vacuumed in here.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

It's so funny how that happens. I know, and like the other day, I hope it's okay to share, but the other day when I was driving and I smelled the cigarette smoke. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can, yeah. Yeah, so I'm like driving down the road and I smell cigarette smoke, like totally like someone smoking in my car. And I was like, What is this? So I tune in energetically, you know, and like immediately I was like, Brianna. So I text you and I was like, Hey, is is uh I I felt like it was your grandpa. I'm like, did your grandpa smoke? And then we got to have like a really cool conversation. I got to see pictures of him. I thought that was just so awesome. He needed your attention, you know. So he I'm wearing his shirt right now.

SPEAKER_02 35:24

No way, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:25

Aw, so grandpa's still hanging. Yeah, I've been feeling him a lot too. I just but like in a good way. I mean, I wish I could see him. I don't know about you, but like for especially the ones that like my grandma and on my mom's side, and then my grandpa on my dad's side, they were like my best friends, yeah. So it's hard for me to see them or connect with them, but I'll feel them sometimes, you know? And like this morning, I was like, oh, how ready do I want to get today? And I was like, no, I'm just gonna clean. And this was like the first shirt that was on top of like the clean laundry that I had yet to put away. And then it was crazy because I went down the I went to go take the kids to school, which is right down the street, and I saw a dead raven in the middle of the road, and I was like, oh, someone needs to pick that up, you know, like that's and then I come home and I'm like going to share, and a raven swoops by, and you know this, like my grandpa would give me shit all the time for my ravens, like, oh, your raven's coming to attack me? Is it safe to come in? Like he would talk shit to Odin all the time

Antiques Carry Energy So Clear Them

SPEAKER_00 36:40

because he Odin would sit at the roof, and if anybody came in, we had a tree in the back, like a big um pine tree, and they would sit up there because they could see over the house. And so if someone was coming close to the house, Odin and Lecter would come in and they would start squawking and alert me that someone was here that they don't know, or just to alert me that someone's here. And Grandpa, every time he pulled up, because when I was sick, grandpa would come bring me food, right? Like trying to get and he wouldn't call, he would just randomly pop by and I would hear them. And so then Grandpa would call, Am I gonna get attacked by your your bird out here? And then when we would go to dad's house, it still happens to this day, like because Odin and Lecter, we obviously had to leave them there. I couldn't bring them with me. They would still to this day fly by mom and dad's house, like, oh hey, just want you to know that sis is dropping by, you know what I mean? Like, and so grandpa, if he got there before me, he would be like, Oh, Brianna's almost here, because they would fly by. And today it's the same thing happened. And I was like, you know, I was I was in the front yard meditating, trying to just like, you know, what do I need to know right now? What does this dead bird mean for me? What am I opening up? And it was like, well, you were on the path, you're closing out a big chapter of your life right now where you're leaving that path behind you and you're moving to a new destination. And I was saying that, and then boom, here comes a big ass raven, like really big. And it starts squawking, and I'm talking to it. And it it reminded me of him for that moment where it was like, Thanks for talking to me. Yeah, I'm wearing your t-shirt. Sorry, I'm out smoking in it, but that's what's happening.

SPEAKER_01 38:31

I love this, right? Those are the little whispered threads. Yeah, you know, like the little things that you can put together when you look back, you're like, oh my gosh, that was all grandpa. And for anyone listening, I want to clarify these Odin and Lecter and the ravens. We're not talking about um spirits, we're talking about alive ravens, like you know, that are that are living. That's why you had to leave them behind because they, you know, they had an area they lived in and then you moved away. Um, but I just want to clarify that for people that are listening. We're not talking about Raven spirits, we're actually talking about raven, ravens that are alive that you know that work with you that you know I I named them.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

I saved Odin and then Lecter came along. I named him Lecter because he was just so big, and I literally have a scar in my thumb from him attacking it. But it was because I was going into the garden and there was a rattlesnake in there. And so when I went to go undo the latch, he was right there and he bit it. I don't know if you can see it. I'll send a picture later, but it literally he he bit me and I was bleeding and I have a scar because he was saving me from the rattlesnake. Yeah, and I was like, what is your deal? And then that's when Lecter came up. I was like, Your name's Lector Hannibal. And then he was really mean to Odin. So, like, technically, you're not in the state of California, it is illegal. I don't know what other states, but it's illegal to own a raven or a crow. Like, you can't have it. And then we were at my dad's house, and you're also not supposed to do this, but there his neighbor was just beating him up, and he Odin was just a little baby, and I was like, heck no. So Odin came to us, and then we took him home, and we had just gotten a birdcage. Like, somebody gave Lewis a birdcage and he thought it'd be cool and he brought it home. And so it was like, oh my god, the spirits have aligned. We have a birdcage. I get to keep Odin. This is amazing. And we fed him, we nursed him, he we went to go let him free. I talked to like the wildlife people, they let me know how illegal it was. And it was like, well, I'm not gonna keep him, but he kept coming back for food. So in the morning he would wait for his banana, and then with Lecter, that he was just mean to him, but they've just always hung around, like they still stay over by dad's house.

SPEAKER_01 41:00

I haven't gotten- I love this.

SPEAKER_00 41:01

Yeah, I haven't gotten close to any of them out here, but I can feel it coming. They're a different breed out here, they're they're not as nice. You gotta really, really work with them. But right before grandpa passed, speaking of this, the ones in our palm tree, that she had babies and I would talk every single time we were in the pool. And right before Grandpa passed that summer, she let me play with her birds, and br I have videos of like Brindley and I pleading hide and seek with them.

SPEAKER_04 41:31

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 41:32

So we would go run in the front yard and be like, okay, find us, and then they would come over. I mean, I can talk about that all day long, but it's like, you know, in those moments, it's like be playful, ble don't take things too seriously. Like, even though things are hard, like just be playful, don't take it so seriously. Have fun. It's like, heck yeah.

Pennies Smoke Ravens And Family Threads

SPEAKER_00 41:50

So since we're on the whole theme of grandpas, I do want to share another spirit story of what I know now is my great-grandpa.

SPEAKER_01 42:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 42:03

So ever since I was little, I always had this guy that was always around, and his name is George. And I love George. I would talk to George all the time. He would help me with things, or you know, now I know, being older, that he's a guide. And it was like, okay, well, then right after I had Brindley, George had told me, Your grandma's passing. And I'm like, what are you talking about? And he goes, Yeah, your grandmother's passing. Spend as much time as you can with her. So of course she was down visiting to, you know, meet Brinley. It was Halloween, and you know, already the threshold is just like gone, the veil's open. And so I'm like, okay, well, I really have to listen to him at this point. And then my grandma hit her head, but she kept covering it. So when I went back to mom's house later, he goes, You need to tell her to go. And I'm like, Do you know my grandma? You can't tell her to do shit. Like, that is not gonna happen. And so normally with me, if my guides or anything, my higher self, whatever it is, tells me more than three times, I have to take action on it.

SPEAKER_01 43:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:14

And I mean, some people do it at one shot, but I usually wait, feel it out. After the third time, I know, like, okay, take action on this. So I looked at her and I said, Grandma, and she happened to move back up and I saw this huge, like, it was like when you pinch your finger like in wood and you get that like blood blister. Yeah. Except it was on her head. Come to find out, she hit her head on my mom's car. And I said, Grandma, what? She goes, Shut up, shut up, don't tell your mom. Don't make it a big deal, just shut up. And I'm like, No, Grandma, you're sick. And she goes, No, I'm not. Don't tell me that I'm fine. Don't and she's like fixing it. And my mom walks in. And obviously, it just word vomited because it was a I was so emotional in that moment after hearing it that I was like, Mom grandma sick, and she was like, Mom, what happened? And she's like, Oh my God. You know, and she gives me that little like where her teeth are closed, like, don't worry, I told you not to say anything. And it's like, ah, well, come to find out that Thanksgiving, she was indeed, she had pancreatic cancer, and she wasn't saying anything to anybody. So afterwards, you know, it's like six months later, we're at my aunt's house, and her sister, my Aunt Elene, she's there, and they're all talking, and then I see George. And normally I have a boundary where it's like if I'm at a family event, especially my mom's family, you block everything out, you shut down as much as you can, no spirits are welcome, like, especially there. Of course that doesn't work, but you try, you know. And so then I'm I'm looking at my mom, because I always give the people that know me a look, like someone's here, you know. So then I go outside, I try grounding. Basically, my sign is someone's here, I need to step outside, don't let anybody else come outside, you know? And I'm talking to George, and I'm like, what do you need, right? And he was like, You just need to listen and just hear me out. And I'm like, hear what out? And he's not saying anything, and I'm like, mm-hmm. I go, okay, well, you just need to go. So I come back inside, I hear my Anne Elene talking about George, and then I look at my mom and I'm like, Who the fuck is George? So when we grew up, we never knew Anne Arlene and grandma's mom to you know, or dad's name to be George, right? It was something else. So she's like, I go, what are you talking about, George? Who is George? And she's like, well, my dad. And I'm like, no, and she goes, yeah, and I go, No. And she goes, Yes, Bianna, there's a lot of no, no, there isn't. And there's George. And I go, Oh, this is why I have to listen and not get mad, huh? Yeah. So then Annalyn keeps talking about all this stuff, and she's telling me all about George, and I said, Time out. I go, does George, did George have a drinking problem? And she goes, Yeah. And I go, did he hide his drinks? Oh, all the time daddy had his drinks over here, or you'd hide them in this cabinet, or he didn't have this, and the whole time I'm death-staring George. And she goes, Well, what's wrong? And how did you know this? And da da da. And then we start talking about more stuff. Like, it's not, it's not for me to share on here, right? That's between Anne Eurline and and Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:36

You know, it was one of those moments that we were talking, and it was just like, son of a bitch, George. Now, Anne Erlene doesn't believe in this kind of stuff, right? But then it was like, oh shit, she just presented me with all of this information with this man who she's had her whole entire life. I felt him. Let's mess around. And at that time I was smoking jewel pens, and she took my jewel pen to see if I would know that it was her. So she already told all the boys, Brianna's gonna be freaking out looking for her pen. Don't tell her I have it, right? So I wake up and I'm like, Anne Elene, where's my pen? I don't have it. Yes, you do. No, I don't. I go, and then George goes, It's in her bra. And I'm like, it's in your bra. And she goes, Oh, who did that? And I said, Your dad. And she was like, So she hurries up and takes it out and gives it to me. But I didn't talk to him for a very long time because I was so upset because I didn't, I couldn't comprehend how a man that I had never met who is my great grandfather, was with me, told me his daughter was dying, yet had no, there was no compassion there. For me there was, but not for her. Not I it would be for me, but this is where expectations come in for me. I have a lot of them. Where it's like I expected him to come in and say, This is my daughter, I'm losing her, or she's coming home with me. I need to prepare you for this. There was none of that shit. It was she's dying, and by the way, hey, I'm your great-grandpapa. Don't listen to me, listen to her, but don't be upset with me, you know, just take it, bask it all in. It's like, I mean, obviously now we're fine, but in that moment it was like I cannot believe. And then all it does for me is you were a sneaky little mother effer when you were alive, weren't you? Because for me, I I don't know about you, but for me, when Spirit comes in, they're still the same person.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

Yeah, yeah. You can definitely, I was just gonna say that like it really helps you understand how they were based on how they come in. Yeah, yeah, that is so funny. Fucking George. Oh gosh, it's so interesting. I because I have a similar story, like I didn't know that about you that you met your great grandfather in that way because that's how I met my great-grandfather. Was it really? Yes, yes. So my gosh, I know I have goosebumps, my back is all goosebumps up. So in 2008, when we moved into this house, my um we were clearing it out because Matt's grandma had had lived here and she had passed away. So that was like, you know, 40 years of thing things here that we had to go through. So my mom and my aunt came over here to help me, and we were just moving things out and working our booties off. And I kept seeing this guy, and I, you know, this spirit, and I was like, oh my gosh, like who is this guy? And finally I tell my mom, I'm like, I this there's this spirit, and I feel like he knows you. And you know, I'm like, he has red suspenders on and he's really tall, and he he has like boots that you would like logging boots, and he said his name is Kenneth, and she's like, That's your great-grandpa. I was like, What? So again, like this is pretty new for me working with spirits in this way. And I was like, Are you kidding? And she's like, No, that's your grandpa Kenneth. He was married to you know, grandma law. And I'm like, What? There's just no way. I was mind-blown. I'm still mind-blown by that because it was so fascinating, you know, that here is this loved one of mine that's hanging out, and he was always so come to find out he was always very into the kids, into family, like he was the protector of the family, you know, and so here he is, still protecting his, you know, because both my aunt and my mom knew him. They were um, you know, when he was alive, they were, they were here. Um, or you know what I meant, vice versa. They were when they were alive, he was still here. I never met him. So it was just so fascinating to be like, even hearing the name, right? His name is Kenneth. And my mom was just like, what? Because it was new for her that I was doing this. It's like, that's your grandpa, you know, grandpa. We were just all just like in awe.

SPEAKER_00 50:59

What is it with grandpas? Because okay, so writer, well, no, it was your great-grandpa, right? And it's my great-grandpa. So I've never met his everybody called him dad Cole. And I had never met him. Okay. He he had passed, and I never got to meet him. Or if I did meet, no, I don't think I ever met him. Um, I'm sure dad will listen and correct me and be like, well, you did when you were little, but like I just don't remember. Yeah. So Ryder for sure has never met him. And Ryder kept telling me that there was someone that was sitting at the end of his bed and he had a cowboy hat on, and he had like this little uh, like you used to see it in the old days, like it was like leather, and then it had a little hook and it was like the shared

Great Grandpas Who Still Show Up

SPEAKER_00 51:50

thing on it. And it was like the first thing that came to my mind was, oh, well, that's dad Cole. And I don't know why, I just heard it. I mean, I still hadn't seen the guy, and I just told Ryder, like, oh, it's okay, like I feel like he's just here to protect you, like, don't worry. Mind you, this is when Ryder was like six or seven, and then Ryder still to this day has it where he'll come by. And I was explaining it to my dad where I was like, Dad, Ryder keeps seeing this guy, and da-da-da. I obviously didn't tell him that I had heard dad Cole, and my grandpa was still alive, so I didn't say anything to him. But dad goes, Well, sis, that's dad Cole. And I'm like, I freaking knew it, right? I'm like, Do you have a picture of him so that Ryder could see and you know, match it up and be like, Yeah, okay, now I feel better. And so now it has me questioning, I wonder if all great grandpas just like come in. Yeah, because he was, he was a detective, he was in the force, you know what I mean, and he did all that stuff, and he did it's like insane to me. But yeah, you know, he lived in Oklahoma, not here.

SPEAKER_01 53:03

Yeah, well, get ready to get your mind blown because we move into this house and Jerry's like five or six years old, he's my son, and he's I mind you, I have seen pictures of Matt's grandpa, which would have been his stepgrandpa, and he's playing on the table with like some airplanes, and and he's talking to somebody, and I'm like, Well, I immediately knew he's talking to a spirit because I could see spirits at this time, like it was it was happening. I was aware, I was looking, and I was like, Well, who are you talking to? And he's all this guy, and I was like, Yeah, well, what does he look like? Uh, he's tall like Matt. And I'm like, Oh yeah, and he's like, Yeah, and he has dark hair like Matt. And he's like, and he looks like Matt. And he kept saying that. I'm like, Yeah, that's Matt's grandpa. So it would have been his great-grandpa. It would have been his great-grandpa, yeah. But it he's not, they're not blood related, so it would have been his stepgrandfather, but yes, like you know, we're married. Matt's their dad, you know, their second father. It's still great-grandpa, still great-grandpa. And what's crazy is that I didn't know this part, but I did after I told Matt about it, is that he was a um pilot and Jerry's there playing with airplanes, airplanes, and he's there playing with him, gives me chills, and like, like, so that's how I then and now anytime I see his his grandpa around here, I'm like, oh, your grandpa's visiting again, and he's the one that built this house that we're living in. He built it with his own hands, and he comes to visit.

SPEAKER_00 54:31

I know, but it was my son who was like seeing him, and also get this writer loved cars, like all things cars, and he also had a fire truck. He'd be like, Oh, my fire truck, you know, he was like all excited, and then he always lined everything up, and then the fire truck was always at the end, and then you know, if there was a crash, the fire truck would come in. Well, he was like later on an investigator for fires. Oh my gosh. Yeah, what are the odds of? I know. See, these are the whispered threads. This is why we did this podcast because they're everywhere, they really are. It's so insane to me. But now my brain, like, yeah, really is like spinning because I'm like, why is it always the great grandpas?

SPEAKER_01 55:20

I know you have me thinking about that too. Totally the great grandfathers, and we have so many parallels, right? Like, I'm I'm we always do.

SPEAKER_00 55:30

We really do.

SPEAKER_01 55:32

That happened to you too. I wonder, I was grandfathers are the protectors though, right? They're a lot of the times, they're the ones that's like you know, holding that that space, holding that protection, that love.

SPEAKER_00 55:48

I don't know. Yeah, when grandpa passed, I I'm not gonna lie, I was a little upset because he came to Brindley. But I I'm not surprised now. Like he absolutely adored Brindley. You know, that was his little shorty. That's what he called her. My little shorty. And when the house was going up, like dad couldn't decide if he wanted to just sell it, or like, did one of us want it, or you know, what do we do? And Brindley didn't know this at the time, but Brindley came to me and had said, Mom, I saw great-grandpapa. And here I am, just like, of course, right? I immediately went into jealousy and I went into anger and frustration, and it was like, Brianna, stop, you don't want to block her. Like, and I was like, Really? What happened? Right. And she was like, Great-grandpa. She would call, okay, so it's technically her great-grandpa, but she would call him great, great, great, great-grandpapa. She had like four greats in front of it, and he would always say, It's because I'm just the greatest of the great, right? So she'd be like, Yeah, great, great, great, great, grandpa came in and he told me that that's our house. And they go, What do you mean that's our house? Mind you, we just moved. I'm not gonna fucking move again, you know what I mean? And so she says, No, and that, but it looked a little different, it had like another story on top of it, and he said that that's mine up top. And it was like, What do you mean? And she goes, Well, when everybody dies, it's mine, but it has to stay in the family. I go, Okay, well, Brody needs a house, so we'll just pitch that idea like Brody, you gotta take the house, you know? Yeah. So Brody ended up buying the house, and so now evidently to Brindley, when everybody's dead, it's hers.

SPEAKER_01 57:46

Well, grandpa, great, great grandpa said so.

unknown 57:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:50

She's gonna take that to her grave. I'll tell you what. From that moment, and it's so true because he would, he would say, like, oh, even when I was little, do you want a pony? And there was a pony that was that was there for her, and she never knew that. Yeah, and it's like, oh, thanks, grandpa. I mean, thanks for throwing the pony in my face that I never got. And gave it to Brindley and the house, you know what I mean? But I mean, afterwards, it was like, oh my god, my little girl is so open and is still connected, could still have her heart open enough to receive right now, where I'm in a place that I can't. And he wasn't showing off like, oh, well, Brindley got the pony and you didn't. No, it was here's your sign that this is freedom, this is generational, this is staying in the family. And so it was like, okay, obviously, it took me

Grief Jealousy And Kid Sight

SPEAKER_00 58:40

a couple weeks to get back to normal. But yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:45

But it's a that's such a great, you know, reminder for people when we're in grief, it can be hard. Even for people like you that can see spirits so clearly and you've been communicating with them forever. When we're in grief, right, it can be a little harder. And there's nothing wrong with that. Like it's not like our loved ones aren't there, they're still there, they're still around, right? It's just we can't we can't really see them right now because of our emotions and what we're going through or other spiritual reasons, but they're still here.

SPEAKER_00 59:13

So a fun little tool for people who may want to feel them that I do. I don't know if you do anything. If you do, you can share. But I feel like I should share. So one thing that I did, it was after my first session that I had with you, actually. You had told me that I was really connected to the water and that I needed to be by the water, which is so true. Like I feel so much better at the beach. And uh, you brought up a starfish. And so I went out like a couple days later, and I ended up finding a starfish. Um, and it had like seashells that go down. Oh, that's right. Yeah, and so I always kept it in my bathroom. So everywhere I've moved, I've kept it in a bathroom. So like I had it at the apartment, and when it would go off, it's like, okay, Brianna, get in the shower so you can see them or talk to them or feel them, you know? Because I set the intention like, if you guys have something to say, let me know. Because I get right messages in the shower or the bath. Yeah. And then it was like, okay, cool, here it is. It's going off. The new house, same thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:24

This house, explain real quick, I don't interrupt you. When you say going off, you mean like they're moving or they're making a sound on their own.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:31

No, no, no. They literally move and you hear the shells like clicking each other. Oh, I love that. Yeah. And so Lewis has this thing now where when the seashells move, he goes, Your people are needing you. And it's like, I already took a shower, buddy, and they didn't go off. That's

A Simple Object For Spirit Signals

SPEAKER_00 1:00:50

for you. And he goes, No, it's for you. And so that's what you can do. You can literally get something, put it in a place where there's like obviously no fans, there's no nothing going on. Some people do music boxes, but I won't let a music box they trip me out. So I won't do that. But you could do like a music box or something that, you know, just so that you know when you're setting that intention for, you know, on any given day that they want to come in and be able to, you know, you haven't felt them in a while and you want to know that they're there. Designate that item for you to have that awareness, like, oh, they are here. Because we do need those moments sometimes. And so for me, that's what it is. And that's I think that's why I picked grandpa's shirt today, obviously not knowing what we were really going to be talking about today, you know what I mean? And they've been going off. And so it's like, okay, well, moving and like clacking against each other. So you can do that. Do you have anything that you do? I don't.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:53

I don't. Usually for me, it'll be like my cousin will say, like, hey, grandma was around, or my sister was like, Hey, someone's in my house, can you look? And I'll look. I'm like, oh, that's grandma. So I feel like for us, it's just there's multiple family members that they like get in touch with, and then we're all like, oh, they're around, you know, because yeah, they're going everywhere to get somebody's attention, and one of us will finally speak up, and then we realize they've been getting everybody's attention. So for me, that's how it happens. But I um that I'm fascinated by that. I might try something. I'll have to see like what comes to me, you know, of like maybe what I want to put in my house. But for us, that's how it is, is like multiple family members are like, uh, grandma's here. Cause it's usually our it's it's usually our great grandma that comes in the most. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:40

Yeah, grandma doesn't do that. My mom's mom doesn't do that. It's pennies. Like I said, it just we s we we witnessed that earlier today. Yeah. But for her, it's pennies. Grandpa funny story. When he was passing outside, we he had just came home from the hospital. We knew he didn't have you know that long until he was gonna pass. And me and my dad and my cousins, we were outside because it was late at night, right? And they dropped him off and they were situating him in his bed, you know. So they're like, Do you want to step outside for a minute and you know, give him some space? So we were waiting, and there was a cockroach. And immediately we're like, Oh, let's kill it, right? And then the girls are like, wait, don't kill it. What if it, you know, what if it's grandpa? You know, we don't he's still alive, mind you, okay? But we're like, wait a minute, don't kill it. What if it's grandpa? So when when I went inside and I told him, Grandpa, I gotta tell you something right now. And he goes, What? So when you get to the other side, please do not come as a cockroach. And he goes, A cockroach? And I said, Yeah, because one of the things that I always told him is every single time he would not be feeling well, I would tell him, Grandpa, you're like a cockroach, you're never gonna die. Oh no, yeah. So then here's the cockroach the night before, and we're like, No, thanks like he didn't come back as a cockroach. Oh, I love it, yeah. But now, you know, sometimes you see cockroach, we'll see cockroaches and be like, Well, do we kill it? Or I'll kill grandpa. And so he'll drop dimes every now and then, and then um, but it's funny how spirit will come in different forms of like sometimes you'll feel them, or sometimes you'll have you know your seashells move, or you see a cockroach, or like now for the ravens, like it's so beautiful. Like my aunt's a hummingbird, and in life, she wanted to be fast. Like, yeah, she even though she was a cancer, she had heavy Leo in her chart, and you know us, we're quick, we yeah, get fired up. And when she came in, it was like, I think you told dad or someone you had told someone, yeah, well, that's the hummingbird. No, no, no, no. Dad met with somebody like in San Diego or something at like a market, and he said, Oh, yeah, well, it's you know, she's a hummingbird, because she said she wants to be, she can be fast as fuck now. And we all just had to laugh because it's like, yeah, that's her, you know. Oh my god, it's so funny. Because their wings flap so quickly.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:35

Yeah. Oh, I gotta share my hummingbird story. Oh yeah, I don't want to interrupt you. No, share it. That's probably why I brought that up. Yeah, so my mother-in-law passed away like 14 years ago, and she comes in as a hummingbird. And that's part of the reason I was giggling, is because she was always very thin and very active, so active. And so when she came back as a hummingbird, I'm like, this just fits her, right? Just splitting around everything. Everywhere with this tiny little body. And so I didn't, for some reason, I didn't put it together. So the day before Mother's Day, there's a hummingbird in my house. And it's flying in the window. And I was able to put my hand out. I'll actually post a video on my, I didn't post it on my um my Instagram, but I will so people can see it. So I put my finger out and it landed on my finger several times. And then it would land, I have orchid plants, and there's a piece of wood there, and it would land on the wood and it would let me pet it. I could just pet its back. Like, who gets to have that happen, right? Like that's so magical. And I didn't put it together until the next day that it was Mother's Day. Like, so here the day before. Wasn't it? It was it was the day before, I think, right? Because it was, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:46

Yeah, Mother's Day was the next day. That's so crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:49

I didn't even put that together until you said that. Me either. And so I was like, oh, his mom came and I didn't even put it together. But I got to have this entire experience where I could feel the hummingbird like, you know, landing on my my finger. I didn't have to do anything to have it happen. I just like put my hand out and she came and landed on my finger, and we had like this beautiful moment. And then I got, you know, got the hummingbird outside safe. And the next day was Mother's Day, and I was like, no wonder.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:16

No wonder. Oh my gosh. You know what this reminds me of? Okay, so my Nana comes as um like those little white butterflies. And Gran comes to me, which is her daughter, right? So there was Nana, which was my great grandma, and then Gran, which was my grandma, they were mother daughter. So Nana comes as that, but also Nats, because she just liked getting into everybody's business, you know? So of course she wants to like wiggle her way in there. And she was really tiny. And for me, like those little butterflies are like little fairies, you know. So like I would we would give chocolate to Nana, like in our plants to be like, Oh, here you go, make this plant live again, you know. And Gran's always been a dragonfly, and we have flies. And remember, I just told you, I found out that flies, because Nana and Graham butted heads a lot, and they have dragonfly clips to keep away flies and like gnats and stuff like that outside. Remember, I told you we got those clips that you put outside so that they don't come in. Oh my gosh, that is so funny because what are the odds of that? This morning there was like this gnat that kept going around, and I was like, the dragonfly isn't working. I'm returning them. And then it was like, no, I just need to move it over, right? Because we just got our patio done and it we it was on like by the door. So now I have like a table and I put a plant on there, so I put it on the plant so that they won't come around, you know, the patio. And it went away. And that's so funny because I totally forgot that she was dragonflies and now she's like shooing away Nana. You don't need to know her business.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:15

You don't need to a gnat comes as we're gonna talk about. Like, we knew we wanted to talk about spirit stories, we just didn't know exactly which ones would come up. And of course, right? You're wearing grandpa's shirt, the gnat comes in. Like, of course, that's they're just like, oh yay, we're here.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:32

You're gonna talk about spirits, we're here.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:35

You're gonna you're gonna give us light. We're famous. That's what I mean. That would honestly be my my family. Oh, I love it. So good, yeah, because it did, and it was really bothering me. And I was like, oh my god, those freaking dragon flies are not working. The whole family was here today. Oh my goodness, so good. I could go on honestly about stories all all day long.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:06

Yeah, I could too. I think it's just so fascinating.

Stop Forcing And Learn Your Clairs

SPEAKER_01 1:10:10

Between clients' stories, my own stories, they're just beautiful. I I think that's a piece for anyone listening. Like, if you don't believe your loved ones are around you, they are. They are you just haven't paid attention to it, you haven't caught the sign. Um, ask for a sign, right? Ask for it and believe it. Believe it with your whole heart because it opens the door for more signs to come in. Yeah. Yeah. If you, as we're kind of closing here, if you had some other than that, like any other advice for people that are trying to recognize their loved ones, what other ways or what other what advice, anything that you want to kind of leave everybody with?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:52

It would be to get out of your own way, honestly. Like I don't have a nice way to say it. But I mean that's the truth, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:58

And so getting out of your own way means to start believing, start opening yourself up for that, right? Like what other ways pay attention, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:08

Put your phone down, go outside, yeah. Like bask in it, just be aware of what's going on around you, feel it. What does it feel like when you see something? Or what you know, if you're for me, nature gives the best medicine in all ways.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:24

So not only is it good for your body, but it's also good for your mind. And you're able to really just connect. You're you're basically, even though you're outside, you're coming into you. Yeah, so you're stepping away from all of the distractions. You're able to have just an open and honest conversation.

unknown 1:11:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:45

Because even sometimes you feel it in that moment, right? Even though you may not see something, you're in a conversation with somebody, phones are down, uh TVs are off, you're outside, you're having a conversation that leads to another conversation, and then memories pop up. And for me, when those memories pop up and you're having those conversations, they're there. Yeah. So if you're able to drop out of everything and just be in this moment, it comes in more naturally.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:14

Yeah. And really what you're saying is also pay attention to your senses. So it might not be something as obvious as like a hummingbird in your house, right? It might be a feeling, a sound. You might hear them talk, and then you go, wait a minute, like, why did I even have that thought just now? Right. So paying attention to all of the clairs, the clue what you're feeling, seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, because spirit's going to use all of those channels. And I like to say it like when you're outside, like, notice what's flirting with you. Meaning, like, why do I keep wanting to look over there? It's like something's flirting with me, something's getting my attention. Um, you know, and when you notice something flirting with you, just stop and breathe. Listen, let it talk to you. What you know, do you feel warmth in your belly? Do you just all of a sudden have a memory of a loved one? Those are all ways I feel like that you can you can tune into those, you know, those little things.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:04

Yeah, not forcing it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:06

Exactly. It's dropping into it and listening.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:09

Yeah, the let it that's what I mean by nature too. It's just nature doesn't force anything, it just happens. Yeah. So as you were talking, it's like I need to say I guess I needed to say it a different way, but so people could understand. But it is not forcing. So even if you want that to happen and you're sitting outside and you're doing what I what I've suggested and nothing is happening, try to figure out if you're forcing it to happen because then you're still, you know, blocking it and from happening. So don't force it. It's neutrality, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:41

If you're like you want it so bad to happen that you're sitting there, like you, you know, sitting there waiting for it to happen and you can't relax. You you can't, it is through that relaxation and that neutrality that you stop forcing it, right? That you allow it to come in if it's gonna come in. And maybe it's not the first time you sit out there, maybe it's the sixth or the 20th, but it will happen eventually as you stop forcing, stop grasping, and start listening, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:06

Start Yeah, no expectations.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:08

Yeah, those that's the hardest.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:10

No, it is not forcing and not having expectations is a lot. And I I speak this from experience because I do have expectations doing what I do. I feel personally that I should be able to see my loved ones. You know what I mean? How come I can help all these people? How can I do all this stuff for everybody yet? I can't even see my loved ones, like that's bullshit. But it's because I do have an expectation of well, we were close, you should be here. Like we were close in life, you should be here. Why am I getting Nana who I wasn't close with? I mean, I loved her, of course. I'm not trying to talk shit on her, you know, but it's like we weren't as close. And so I I should, you know, be able to see the ones that I was close with, but I do place expect I place higher expectations, I guess I would say. Yeah. I try to force it to happen because in moments that I miss them, but like there's days that when you're not even thinking about it, you're just cleaning your house or you're just taking a walk, you're completely out of everything. There's no expectations, you're not going out. It's it normally happens when you're least expecting it because you're not forcing or having expectations.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:28

And you're relaxed in that moment, you're right.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:30

Like you're because cleaning or driving or doing something where it's almost like a meditative state, and like the it makes me think of the phrase like the path of least resistance. You've now you now have opened that channel. That's why mindfulness is so important because if you're if you're just doing your thing but you're aware, you're gonna notice when it comes in. Yeah, yeah, beautiful. I love that. Anything else? I feel like I just want to take a deep breath into that. I mean, like, is there any other advice for people that would want to connect with their loved ones or with spirit? I think, yeah, the one thing that I want to say is like to start paying attention to how you personally get information. Are you more of a feeler? Are you more visual? Not that they won't come in other channels, but I feel like once you really become a little bit more aware of how you perceive energy, then you can tune into that that perception a lot easier.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:29

Yeah. Cause sometimes it is when you brought up the clairs, you know, and you sing like what's flirting with you, that reminds me of like clear cognates, right? Which is just that knowing.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:38

Yeah. And if you're somebody who's super claire cognizant, it'll come in and then you deny it because it wasn't a feeling, it wasn't a smell, it wasn't, you know, it was just there, and you're like, Well, I must have made that up. No, it's real, it's real, it just came in because that's the that's that intuitive channel to just be there. Yeah, great point. Because that one is harder sometimes for people to recognize I have that one.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:06

Yeah, my I think that's the we did that like thing, right? Where you went over all of them and it was like answer this question, this question, this question, remember?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:18

Like to see what like your top three were. And clear cognance was my number one.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:23

Yeah. And I love that one because it's such a clear channel, right? You don't have all these feelings you gotta move out now, or visuals that came in that you want to like help clear your mind. It's just there. But until you believe it, that's the key, right? Is fully believing that that is happening for you, and then you then you start noticing just how much you've been getting intuitive hits like that, like forever.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because that helped me, honestly, where it was like, oh shit, I know I'd be saying I'd just be knowing stuff, but I really do just be knowing stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:56

Yes, yeah. And it's so easy to discredit where when you get a feeling, you're like, oh, I got a feeling, oh, it is intuitive, right? So, like, I think I feel like, or oh, I saw a vision, so it must be real. But when you just know there was no like thing with it, you just know it's so much easier to discredit.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:16

It really is. It's like the the visual one, like the dreams and stuff like that. I think I shared this with you before. That's a little harder to decipher. But for me, when it's spirit and they come in and you can see them, it is spirit. Like, yeah, you had a dream, yeah, they were there with you.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:35

Yes, yeah, believe that too. That's such a good reminder when they come into your dreams, they're there. Yeah, good stuff. The other way might be music, right? Like your favorite song. Um, and it's not all the time, right? Like maybe you hear that song two or three times, but then like this fourth time you hear it, it just hits your gut. That's like, whoa, that was them. That's when you trust it, right? Like sometimes that song will play and you'll hear it and it's nothing, and then other times it really means something to you that trust that.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:08

Yeah. Music comes in for me, and I well, especially with grandpa on that one, was like I had it on some rock music that I don't even listen to, and it was like oldie songs, like I think her name was Diana Washington or it's Diane Something Washington, right? And it was like, how the did you get on here? Yeah, not even in the same genre, yeah, crying. And then Brown Eyed Girl comes on, and it's like because that was for Brindley, and I told Lewis, I'm like, turn off the music.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:48

So good. Yeah. That's I feel like the same thing for the animals, right? It's like, yeah, I can my like my mother-in-law comes in as a hummingbird, but not every hummingbird I see is I feel like is her, right? Like I can see hummingbirds, see hummingbirds, see hummingbirds, and all of a sudden there will be one that does something specific, and I'm like, oh hi mom, you know, like yeah, and so for anyone who's like a little bit skeptical, right? It's not going to be every single butterfly you see, or everybody, you're right. There it like we have to have a bit of discernment, but when you know, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:25

You've got to trust that. That's where that clear cognates come in. Like this morning, I knew I was talking to grandpa, but you know how many ravens there are and how many times there wasn't grandpa?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:35

Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:39

You just you do, and you and and you begin to trust that and you can trust yourself. Yeah. Excellent. Well, this feels

Share Your Stories And Goodbye

SPEAKER_01 1:20:50

like a great place to end. Is there anything else you want to add before we complete?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:54

Yeah, I want people to share their stories. I want to share their stories. Yeah. I want to be able to like know it, or even if they have like, okay, well, I don't know if I really felt this or I didn't feel this. Like, I'm not saying we're gonna go ahead and give you a whole reading on here, right? But like just a little confirmation, I feel like would be perfect in those moments where maybe they were questioning it and like we're sharing it, and of course, we would feel it, you know, when they share it and be like, definitely, you know what I mean? Yeah, like I think that would be so neat. So, like, share your story.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:30

Yeah, so you can pop onto our Instagram. We have a whispered thread Instagram page, you can put it there. We both have our own Instagram pages. You can you can pop in there. We have email, like so find a way to get it to us and share your story. We want to know your spirit stories, yeah. Yeah, and then obviously giving us permission to share that. We can also do it without a name. So if you just want to share and then you say, Hey, can you share this anonymously? We can do it like that too.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:58

Yeah, I'm really good at making different names, though. Yeah. I name everything that goes by, and nine out of ten times it's a guy anyway. So even if it's a girl. Oh, I love that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:10

So we can we can share anonymously, or we can give you full credit with your name and share your story because I'm sure people want to know more of these beautiful, amazing encounters.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:23

I agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:25

Over and out, over and out. Thank you for listening, and we will see you next time.