Stop Waiting For The Lotto

We’re pulling astrology back down to earth and into the body, unpacking why the internet’s “Saturn will fix your karma” or “Jupiter conjunct Venus means you’ll win big” story can leave you discouraged when real life still feels messy.

We talk through the current astrology forecast in plain language: Saturn and Neptune themes of boundaries, discipline, dreams, and overthinking; Mercury in pre-shadow pushing reflection; and Jupiter and Venus together in Cancer asking a different kind of question than “Where’s my reward?” In Cancer, the growth is about safety, nourishment, home, and the emotional container. If your nervous system doesn’t feel safe, even good opportunities can feel like too much.

Then we go into Chiron at 29 degrees in Aries, the identity wound hitting a critical ending point. Old anger, self-worth patterns, and confidence stories can resurface not to punish you, but to move out of the body so you can stop repeating the loop. We share what “alignment” actually looks like when chaos hits, why getting witnessed by trusted support helps you stop gaslighting yourself, and how small celebrations and real gratitude can shift your entire relationship with challenge.

If you’ve been feeling raw, triggered, or weirdly tender, you’re not alone. Subscribe for more grounded astrology and intuitive conversation, share this with a friend who needs a steadier lens, and leave a review with the biggest pattern you’re ready to interrupt next.

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Transcript

Welcome And Ground Rules

SPEAKER_00 0:06

A whispered thread podcast where intuition, astrology, and laughter collide. This isn't your love and light playground. It's real, it's raw, and it's right now. We are your hosts, Katie and Brianna.

SPEAKER_03 0:20

Go grab a cup of tea and get ready to snuggle into your soul. This podcast is a space for shared stories, intuitive insight, and the connection with spirit. Everything we offer is from our personal experience and perspective. It is not medical, psychological, or professional advice. Please use your own discernment and seek support from a qualified professional when needed.

SPEAKER_00 0:57

Welcome back to another episode.

Why The Hype Gets Astrology Wrong

SPEAKER_00 1:00

Today we want to dive into all things astrology with some other little things on the side. So, Brianna, why don't you uh take it away?

SPEAKER_03 1:11

Okay, so there is a this month is a lot calmer than July's, right? It's like the balancing so that when July hits, like we're in a really calm place. And you guys know me, I don't get on social media very often. And when I did, all I kept seeing was like, oh, Saturn this or Saturn that, or it's like gonna break all these karmic things. And it was really frustrating me because it's like, why are you allowing something outside of you to break the karmic loop? You know, and that's not even what it was about. It was literally trying to just have us herge out whatever we were holding in so that we can step into a new cycle. It had nothing to do with like clearing anything out. I mean, for some, yeah, depending on where their chart was, but for collectively, it wasn't this big happy thing, right? And then I also was seeing things about Jupiter and um Venus conjunction, which just means they're basically they're at the same degree. So they're kind of like sitting on top of each other, right? And I kept seeing everybody, oh, well, you're gonna win the lotto, it's a lucky day, and da da da. And I'm thinking to myself, okay. We all know that it's in cancer, right? Like, and when it's in cancer, especially right now with Mercury being in pre-shadow, going retrograde, right? That's like 10 times more inwardness. So it's like reflecting, revisiting. And then what is cancer? Cancer is nurturing, it is safety and family, right? And your house, like your four walls, your house as your body, as your temple. And I'm thinking to myself, oh my God, everybody watching this is going to just be like, well, I didn't win the lotto, right? And it's like, well, no shit, you didn't win the lotto, because what it's really was trying to tell us was okay, we had Saturn in the mix that was like around boundaries, right? Boundaries, limitations, setting your goals, being able to move forward. Well, then we had on the back end, which was um Jupiter and Venus, that was saying, Hey, do you feel safe enough in your own container to carry this? So it's like, yeah, people are watching thinking, oh, some astrologer online said we're winning the lotto today. And then they get their hopes up, right? And it's like, well, that didn't happen. And it was a shitty weekend. Well, yeah, it was a shitty weekend for you because one, you had a lot of things that were coming up for you that you needed to face. So before you could step into this new chapter, because yeah, doors are closing. I'm gonna talk about Chiron in a second, because that's a big one. But it is okay, am I do I feel safe in my own body to fully trust that I can hold and feel safe holding this new energy that wants to come in? Have I released everything that I need to release in order to feel safe in my own body before moving forward? Because your body's a container. And yes, Venus is about money and relationships and luck. And then you have Jupiter, which is about expansion. So, yeah, by all means, looking at it from you know, just someone looking at it who doesn't know, they're like, absolutely. But then you also have to take into consideration what sign it's in. So now if it was in Leo, that'd be a different story, right? It's like, absolutely go buy that lotto ticket. Like you need to be seen, you know. But in cancer, it's like, no, go inward, nurture yourself, feel your body. Do you feel safe with these next movements? And I had stuff come up for me. I'm sure you had stuff come up for me. I had plenty of clients this week that were like, what is going on? And it's like, it's okay, you're

Jupiter Venus In Cancer Means Safety

SPEAKER_03 5:10

purging. That's essentially what you're doing. You're purging. Then on top of it all, we have Chiron and Aries at 29 degrees. Now, 29 degrees is already a critical degree because it is that ending that I was talking about, right? So Saturn and Neptune are in Aries, but they're in this very new beginning phase, right? And then we have Venus and Jupiter, that is also nearing an ending, where it's like, okay, yeah. And then we have Chiron that is ending. So when you put those two big, nice, but you know, bolific ones, benefic, benefic. Yeah, because maleficent is malefic. Yeah. So that's how I always remember. And so it's benefic, yeah. It's not like you know how Saturn is looked at a malefic planet. You still have Chimron, which isn't technically a planet, it's an asteroid, but still that's wounds. So you have Sat Daddy Saturn who's like, look at your wounds, right? Look at them or face them. And when it has been in Aries, has been in Aries for quite some time, and and it is transitioning into Taurus, it's not gonna stay there because it's gonna go retrograde and then go back. Next year is when it will fully transition into Taurus. So we have this like eye-opening moment right now, especially at 29 degrees, where it's like, okay, identity, interdependence, um uh healing wounds internally, right? What am I holding on to? What do I need to face within myself? And so, I mean, we've noticed it since it's been an Aries, everybody looking at themselves. That's why people are going to therapy. That's why people are, you know, expressing their needs for what for how they need to feel or what they're feeling right now. They need to get it off their chest so they're not carrying it anymore, right? So that added an extra little jab for us, where it was like, okay, no, this isn't all rainbows and butterflies, you know, this is something that is definitely internal that we have to deal with so that we can hold what wants to come in internally and externally, because it's a bit of both. It isn't like no, you're feeling at peace in your own body, therefore, external things around you are gonna be able to come in. Does that make sense? It does, it does, yeah. And then a lot of us are feeling already Chiron in Taurus, and Taurus is your body, right? So it's it's coming out of identity shifts, it's coming out of okay, where am I gonna grow from here and everything internal to now? Okay, how does my body feel? It's kind of like what we've been talking about already, where it's like, yeah, we we wake up in the morning, we ask our body what's going on. We really are listening to our body versus anything else. And that's what it's gonna look like when it comes into sorry, when it comes into Taurus, it's gonna be more of like, who am I? How is my body feeling? What do I value? Are people valuing me at this stage? What around me that I have in material form because uh Taurus rolls material games, that it is what do I have around me that isn't serving its purpose anymore or that I've been holding on for for too long? You and I have been feeling this. And I'm really excited for this one because I feel like when it when we get this preview from later on this month until September is when it'll be in Taurus. That's when it's like I feel like there's gonna be such a big shift of people really saying, I've done the work, I've done the internal work. And now I get to work on taking that next step into this big transition of I am stable financially, I am safe in my own body because I am working on my body, especially for me, having it in my sixth house. I don't where is it in yours?

SPEAKER_00 9:19

Where's my I don't know all of now? But really, so while you're looking there, what what you're saying is all of this work we've been doing with the new identity and the purging, now we're gonna be embodying it, right? If we're talking about the body

Chiron At 29 Degrees Brings Wounds

SPEAKER_00 9:35

and Taurus, we're gonna have to embody it, which means we have to take action. We have to actually let ourselves feel those feelings of like, I am safe. I am safe. I can I can let myself really feel it in my bones, in my body, and ground into that versus it just being an external thought.

SPEAKER_03 9:52

Yeah, because see, you have it in your eighth house right now, which is already endings. So and it's transformation, right? So you're going through a big transformation within yourself, and you're already feeling it because your natal one is in your ninth house, but you're already feeling it right now, where it's like, okay, cool, right? What what are we going to? And you have it sitting over your palace, the transiting one, which is actually pretty nice because you're trusting your intuition on what you're letting go of. So think of it as like you're feeling the object, and then you're like, no, we're getting rid of this, which is huge, and yours is is way smoother than probably a lot of people's, if I'm being honest. It's like, okay, no, we're not doing this. You know what I mean? Yeah. Or I want to hold on too tight. It's like for you, it's more flowy. You can release it, and there's nothing that like you're not clinging on to anything, is what I would say.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

Which makes sense because there's things in my house that I've been clinging to for a really long time. They're like, nope, you're gone, you're gone, got rid of you, sold you, donated you. I know that I've been saying I should keep this, but not anymore. So I've been purging, like internally and externally, yeah, quite easily. Um, yeah, most definitely.

SPEAKER_03 11:16

Okay, so I wrote some stuff down. So I wanted, I missed a piece. The reason why I wanted to also bring up Chiron is because Chiron right now at 29 degrees is going to essentially bring up old patterns, especially around identity or anger or confidence, self-worth, and all of that stuff that is going to be surfacing, let it let it resurface. Don't question it. Don't no, no, no, no, no. Do yourself a favor and let it happen because you've already learned all of that. Otherwise, you wouldn't be at, you know, we wouldn't be at this 29 degrees where it's like, okay, now we have this understanding that we have worked on this. If we get angry, yeah, that anger needs to come out. You can do it in many different productive ways, right? Where it's like you can like schedule a rage room or you can go outside and scream, or whatever you need to do to get that anger out, that's what you do, right? Take a pillow, hit your bed, be intentional about it when you feel that anger coming out instead of allowing it just to break bridges, essentially, because you've already worked on it. And if you're feeling it, it wants you to fully understand we don't need to revisit this. We need to just have it be out. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 12:40

Yeah, I was just gonna clarify to ask you to clarify. So when you say just let it come up, it's like, okay, here's this old pattern again. I'm getting angry because it's in my face. And it's like, no, this isn't trying to prove to me that it still exists. It's trying to let me release what is what I'm holding in my body around.

SPEAKER_03 12:57

Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Right.

unknown 12:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 12:59

Yeah, because we've already gone through all the other degrees where we faced it. We're at the point now where, I mean, some people, depending on where where they have their placements, right? Some people could just now be having that aha moment in where they're looking at their wounds. And so, yeah, that anger is fresh and it's wanting to come up, but on a collective level, it is more so. No, it's already came up, we've already faced it. And now it is how are we going to move through that? Right now it's about moving it out of the body because we've already felt it, we've already processed it. A lot of people have already relived it. And then it's like, okay, no, because they're patterns, right? So now we're becoming more aware of our patterns and we can look at them, but now that it's at 29 degrees, it's saying, well, let it go.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

Yeah, I love that. So my friend and I, Lisa Stark, you can find her on Instagram. She's great with patterns and identity work. We've been having a lot of conversations about this. And she's talking about recently like the pattern interrupt. It's like, no, when the pattern comes up, you're not supposed to exactly what you're saying right now, you're not supposed to go back into it and and fall for it. It's like, oh, here it is. Okay, okay, I'm feeling these emotions. Okay, I see this, right? Like I'm gonna let it move through me without diving so deep back into it that now that you're in it, and then choose a new action within that to interrupt the pattern, even if that's over and over and over again, right? Because that's how your body be and your nervous system begins to recognize, okay, this is just the pattern. It's not who I am anymore. It's just the pattern. And every time you interrupt it and make a new choice, whether that is, like you said, going to the rage room and raging it out instead of stuffing it back down or thinking that, you know, whatever, right? We can go so many directions with it. But I love the way that this is just all coming full circle, even in my conversations. It's like just interrupt the pattern and make a new choice. Embody something new in this moment. You're not where you were

Anger As Release And Pattern Interrupts

SPEAKER_00 14:55

four years ago, right? You're in a new space, and that's what you're saying right now. It's like even like collectively, we've moved to this new degree, this new space. Let it come up and out and finish processing and work with it in a different way. Don't fall for it again. That story, that identity, that this is what I am, or this is who they are. Yeah. Oh, this is so good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:17

Because now you're looking at and see, because for me, interactions with this would be, especially those who are feeling it already in Taurus, that Taurus energy. What you're seeing is, oh my gosh, this is how this person is showing up. Because Taurus loves grounding energy, right? And they love being in their body, they love comfort. I know a lot of people say, Oh, well, they're lazy. No, they know how to be at peace in their own body. Yeah, they do, they love it, they embody everything and they just ground it in and they're able to release it. There's no where Aries can kind of get in their mind, you know what I mean? Taurus is like, no, we're dropping out of our mind and coming into our heart. So how are we going to? I mean, it does bring up different challenges for some people because when you get into the heart and into your body, it feels different, right? So some people can panic where it'll not right away, right? Not when it's like zero, one degrees. That's not gonna happen. But you're gonna feel this new sense of confidence within yourself and be able to look at somebody and be like, that's my person. I like their energy. Like I like what they bring to the table. They value me, I value them, and there's a mutual energy there that is this give and take. There isn't, oh, well, this is my trauma, this is my trauma, this is my pattern, this is, and no one's working on their trauma or patterns. Yeah, they're just talking about it and reliving it. That now the pattern's able to break. So I hope that people are able to run with that and be like, yeah, like the pattern's over. I do feel this way. I have felt this way. It was really hard, especially this last week. Especially from Friday to Sunday, is what I would say. That it's like, okay, cool. Now we're starting to calm down. I mean, the placements are still there, but they're not exact anymore. So there's going to be residual energy. It's just like a full moon, you know, the full moon happens, and you have three days before and three days after that you're feeling it. And it's the same thing. I just don't want people to go into this thinking, oh my gosh, I'm winning the lotto, and then they lose hope, and then they like totally rule out any sense of hope in general, you know?

SPEAKER_00 17:36

Which is kind of like, I mean, it's great. Yeah, let's win the lottery, but really what you're saying is the gold is in your body. It's it's embodying the new identity, it's it's moving through this. Like, who cares about the lottery? I mean, right? I mean, I get there's still like money would be great. It would be great if we had a win. I mean, I know the magic in that, but but if you're only focused on that or thinking that that should happen, you're missing the true gold, which is our body and in this process that we we can be taking advantage of.

SPEAKER_03 18:07

Yeah. Yeah. Because definitely some challenges for with the Saturn Neptune placement is overthinking, right? So we're overthinking it. Um, we have this big goal in mind because of what Jupiter and uh Venus were doing. I always want to say Jupiter and Cancer, but it's like, no, it's Jupiter and Venus, and they're both in Cancer. Um, but it is, it's like uh we have all this goodness, so we're setting up all these goals, but then with Saturn, it's like and Neptune, it's like, wait a minute, right? You're overthinking, which leads to frustration instead of allowing yourself to create a good structure, which is what Saturn wants, anyways. It wants structure, discipline, balance. So if you're letting the Neptune energy take over, what's happening is you're delusional. You got rose-colored glasses on. So yeah, everybody's like, oh, everybody's winning the law. It's always external, which really frustrates me because when you really dive into astrology, it's all internal. Saturn is discipline, how you create your boundaries for yourself, for other people. Neptune is what are you dreaming, right? Or what do you need to dissolve? What are your goals that you want that you aspire for? And then you have Mars, which is how you show up and take action. It has nothing to do with the external things, it's all about how you create your world with what you have. Yeah, it's nice to know what's happening in the world around you. So when you look at the collective energy, you can see, okay, even though I'm feeling this way externally, this is what's happening. And of course, we're energetic beings, so we're gonna feel the collective energy. It's just some people can hold it better than others. And that's what I really feel this weekend was, and a little bit moving forward into this week is when shit gets crazy, how are you going to respond? Are you going to say, I'm breaking this pattern, or am I going to continue to create the same pattern and then feel behind?

SPEAKER_00 20:16

Yeah. And the question you can ask yourself is what is the identity that I'm choosing right now?

SPEAKER_03 20:22

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 20:23

Yeah. Yeah. It's beautiful because, like, for people that are kind of new to astrology are still kind of figuring out. So, really, these planets shift, and whatever they, whatever their energy is, whatever their purpose is, it kind of opens doors, inspires things within us, or even makes us face things we've been ignoring.

unknown 20:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:44

So they're like doors opening, they're like poking at us, they're giving us the opportunity, and because they are in the position they're in, if we truly take advantage of it and do the work, we're actually supported by those planets.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

Right? So, like if we were to do that, try to do it at another time when the planet isn't really in that space, we can still do it. But if we're doing it when it's all, it's like the energy is ripe, the doors are open, these things are being presented to you. You actually have that planetary support in that moment. So do it when it's open and ripe and there, right? Yeah.

Alignment Gets Tested By Chaos

SPEAKER_03 21:20

Yeah, walk through the door, you know? It's like walk through the door, and it's gonna be uncomfortable. And that's the thing. I don't know if I've shared this with you or not, but I had this realization of alignment, right? And I was doing so good, and it was like, oh my gosh, I'm truly in alignment, right? And then I had all of these things pop up for me. And because I was in alignment, I was doing my normal things that I do every day, but I wasn't doing them. Uh I don't want to say it wasn't going as deep. I was spending less time doing it because I'm like, oh, I'm in alignment, I don't have to worry about this, right? I'll do my little Check in for like five minutes versus my 10 to 15 minutes that I usually spend on it. And I'll just keep going. And then things kept popping up, popping up, popping up last week. And it was like, okay, what is going on? I still remained calm. And then it was like I had my moment where I had to release. And then I started feeling myself where it was just like something is happening. And I had this message that was saying, when we're in alignment, we only know when we're in alignment when shit hits the fan. It's not all rainbows and butterflies when you're in alignment, right? You have this moment of, yeah, you're feeling really good. But then when something happens, that's when you truly know if you're in alignment because of how you're able to respond to it. And as much as I thought I was in alignment, I mean I was, and I still am, but I was a little off, right? And that little bit of off, I guarantee you, I needed it so that I could actually face some things that I was still holding on to from like two years ago. Almost no, two years, yeah. This month will be two years that I was still holding on to that I didn't even know I was holding on to. And it's like, yeah, did I cry? Absolutely. Did I have conversations with my ravens outside and be like, oh, you made me think I was a magical bitch? Well, yeah, because Neptune, I fell into Neptune and I was like, Yeah, I'm this magical being there. I've ascended, you know. And it's like, no, it's because I was going into alignment and I was there, but it's like, do you want to stay here? Do you want to stay in alignment and have these things happen and know that that's just life? And and you're gonna have these things happen to you. And how are you going to choose to break that pattern? Because before, if there was something that happened, I immediately would have panicked. Immediately. And I didn't. It was like, okay, no, I'm supported. And I just ran to where I thought my support was gonna be. I wasn't even looking. And then I had it, and it was like, oh my God, this is amazing. Before I wouldn't have been able to snap out of that.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

So I love all of that, but I want to kind of dissect it just a little bit for people. So, like when you say you're in alignment, okay. So, actually, let me what it feels like to me what you're saying is that you felt like you were in alignment. I do want to ask you though, what you think alignment is like for you personally. But what you're saying is you're you're in alignment, you're feeling good, and these things still happened. And instead of creating stories or or falling into these things, you realize they were all happening for you while you're in alignment, right? Like it's not bad. You you can be in alignment and life falls apart. And it's how you respond to it that is the the key, right? Like how you responded to it, how you moved through that kept you into that kept you in that alignment. Am I saying that correctly?

SPEAKER_03 24:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:59

So to you, what like what is your definition though of alignment? When you're using that word for people that might not be familiar, or just for us to kind of understand your view, what what is alignment then?

SPEAKER_03 25:09

For me, it's just peace. That's the easiest way I can explain it. I feel at peace internally and externally, like even amongst the chaos. Yeah. There's still peace, there's still calm. Even if there's chaos and conflict happening, I am still at a place where I'm neutral. And even a neutral how do I want to say this?

SPEAKER_00 25:35

So because even if you reacted to it like, oh my gosh, this is frustrating, oh my gosh, we gotta get this. Because I know some of what happened to you right if you had a water leak, so you're like hurrying up to clean it, all these things are happening, and maybe there still is like there's emotional responses, there's rush, there's urgency, there's fixing it, but inside you know everything's okay. Yes, that's the piece you're talking about. Yes, right, because we're human, we're gonna have emotional reactions, but it's really like the stories behind it that then make things really intolerable and really bad. And oh my gosh, and what does this mean? And like we s we downward, you go in a downward spiral. I guess, yeah, does that make sense? Because it's like we're not we're not expecting people to be zen all the time, but you respond inside with your stories and your yeah, what you make it mean, and if you come back to like, well, this is just what happened, and I know I'm learning from it, and I'll be okay. And then you come to that piece, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:35

Because I do get emotional. I mean, a lot was brought up with the water leak.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

You're supposed to, right?

SPEAKER_03 26:41

It's teaching you something, yeah. It was teaching me something, or showing you something, and and I did have questions where I was like, oh my gosh, no, like we uh we have released, why is this happening? And then then that's when I started to get into this place where I was like, okay, no, like I need to get in with myself a little bit longer than I normally was, like that whole time. And then it was like, oh my gosh, okay. So this is what happened. I literally put myself in why is this happening? Versus I needed this to happen. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 27:22

Yeah, almost like victim or a knowing that it's happening for you and you're learning. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:28

Yeah. And I did, I needed it. It was like, okay, cool, this is what we needed. And I know I did tell you that, like, if something else happens, because you get to that breaking point, right? Where, and because I wasn't checking in with myself, and then when I did, I noticed that I was like a little off, that it was like, that's okay, I'm not completely off, right? And we're human, we're gonna be off every now and then. It happens, but are we gonna choose to stay off or are we gonna work on it and come back into alignment, right? Or come into peace. I guess that's the word I should say. It's like coming back into center and coming back into a place of neutrality and calmness and not contributing more chaos when there's already something chaotic happening in your life, you know? Yeah, because I feel like we always have a choice in in these things that happen where it's like we can either choose to fall into the chaos or we can choose a different pattern and and show up a different way, right? Yeah, so normally I would have called my dad freaking out, and then my whole house probably would have been flooded, but I didn't. It was like, no, okay, I'm going over here. You know what I'm saying? And I did get to that little bit of point where it was like, oh my god, Katie, put me in a freaking a sane asylum and pray to God that Dean Winchester comes and saves me. You know what I mean? From like all the monsters.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

Because it's well, I was rooting for that one though. I was too trust me. Like, I'll come, I'll come see you so I can see Dean too. Yeah, we'll have a little healing pow-wow together.

SPEAKER_03 29:07

Yeah, have Casty all come and just touch me and then like have it all come away. But it was, it was because I wasn't checking in with myself. And I at one point I realized that's the easy way, right? And that's a way that I would want it. Just lock me up, have Dean come save me, and that's the easy way. But no, that's that wasn't the reality of it, right? The reality of it was is that I was storing emotions that I hadn't let out, and then this weird water leak where even my neighbor was like, because my neighbor came and helped me, God bless his soul, and he was so calm. And it helped me stay calm and then realized, Brianna, it's not this isn't chaos, this is beautiful. And I think I've told you where it's like, yeah, everything around me is just so beautiful, even when it was something that wasn't like a good message, right? And it was like, God, that's so beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

Which makes sense to me, right? Because what you're saying is one, we're not gonna bypass our emotions. If if we're having emotions in that moment, we we need to see them, we need to understand, right? Like it's like you have to feel them, you can't just stuff them down, but you can also learn from your reaction and your and your response in that moment. But then you're choosing, because and you can tell me if I'm wrong, but it really sounds like like you're really stepping into the identity that like everything is happening for me and everything's gonna be okay, right? Like, I can I yes, this is chaos, but it's it's serving a purpose, and that brings a sense of peace and a sense of trust, and like a sense of knowing that what you're going through is is okay, versus like, oh my gosh, what is wrong? And oh, my life is a mess, and oh, why are these things happening? And now this is happening, and oh, and like going into the victim. You're like in your power, in your alignment with your knowing, and the identity I feel like you're choosing is like I trust life, I trust the process, everything is beautiful, even in the chaos, because there's because there's something for me in this, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:11

Like even the ravens, like well on Wednesday before the leak even happened, it was like here I am. I really leaned into Neptune. And listen, when I say about delusional with Neptune, it's there could be good delusion and bad delusion, right? There's two sides of the spectrum. And I put myself in a category where I was like, oh my god, I was so freaking delusional, like, not the good side, right? And then when they had showed up, because ravens come to warn you like, hey, there's going to be a death or conflict that is going to happen, and then they go away and then they come back to help you through that grieving process. And then I was able to see the good side of Neptune, where it was like, oh my gosh, the reason I'm talking about Neptune is because it's an Aries, and that is identity, right? So it was like, oh my gosh, like, no, I am still a magical bitch. I am like I can do this. I have, I have worked on this, I have done all this. And to have nature just be able to sit with you and talk to you when you're listening, it is just magnificent. That it was like, oh my god, you guys came and you wouldn't have came if I wasn't in a good place. And then you guys came again, you still showed up. So, what did I learn from all of this? I learned that I can carry myself. I feel safe in my own body to know what to do when conflict arises. I don't want to run into fight or flight. I don't want to have my nervous system be completely shot, like how you know it it would have been. Yeah. Did I run? Absolutely. I ran. I ran to the I ran straight to the neighbor's house, but it wasn't like that's receiving help.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

You knew where to go to get help, and you let yourself receive it. That's beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 33:07

Yeah, I just ran and I was like, I need help. I bless his soul. He literally like didn't even have his shoes on all the way when he was coming over. Like it was that quick, you know? And it was like, oh, this feels that talk about feeling supported and having a message from spirit, just in general, putting somebody like that in your life when you are going through an identity shift.

SPEAKER_04 33:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

When you are going through something where do I feel safe enough for support? Do I feel safe enough for you know XYZ? That when that moment happened, if I would have chosen my old pattern, I don't think I would be talking to you today.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

Your new identity is is to receive help.

SPEAKER_03 33:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

In a different way.

SPEAKER_03 34:01

Yeah. Entrusting in other people, right?

SPEAKER_00 34:05

We've talked about that on the podcast before.

SPEAKER_03 34:08

Yeah, and then seeing good in people because for a while there, I was in my own little world, right? And everything was so good. And I had knew, Brianna, you're gonna have to like step out of this bubble eventually. And it's like once I did, I saw like just nasty people who are just miserable, and the people that just want to bring you down to their level, right? And it's like, ugh, just want to back in my bubble again. But it's like that's not how life works. And so to see that there's still good people out there, that's enough right there for me. Where it's like, Brianna, you're supported, you know you're supported all the time. You can still deal with people, even if they're angry, frustrated, miserable, everybody has their own stuff going on. And who am I to judge?

SPEAKER_00 34:57

Yeah. You know, this is there was a thing that you said in a recent podcast where where we talked about that I was learning like, do you do you trust other people? Or like, can you trust other people to do what they say they're gonna do and you don't have to save them? Remember, we kind of talked about that. Your first response was no, I don't trust other people. No, so it's so fascinating to me, right? That here we are full circle with all these experiences you've had that you're like, yes, I can trust other people. Yes, I can trust them to support me, and I can trust them to do what they need to do, right? Like

Learning To Receive Support

SPEAKER_00 35:30

this is a level or a layer of that that you're stepping into and this new identity that you can trust.

SPEAKER_03 35:35

Yeah, and that's exactly what all of this astrology is literally trying to show us right now.

SPEAKER_00 35:43

That makes sense because I'm in my own life going through something similar where can I trust the people in my life to do what they say they're gonna do? Because there's been a long-standing pattern, even in my DNA, right? Like in my ancestral um, in my ancestors, it's like, no, you don't trust anybody. They never do what they say they're gonna do. You just you do you take care of you and you do what you need to do because you can't trust others. And uh I'm definitely facing that right now too. So it makes sense that astrology is is bringing that out.

SPEAKER_03 36:14

Yeah. It's a beautiful thing in my eyes, and I love I love purging. I do. But I mean, I have heavy placements in my eighth house. Of course, I love purging. You know what I mean? It's like I'm used to that, but what I wasn't used to was I can show up for myself every single day, and I do show up for myself every single day, but there are patterns that everybody carries that aren't always helping them, right? They're kind of a hinder. So when you step into that, it's like, oh, I'm choosing a different pattern of how I feel in taking that step to say, yeah, I want to stay feeling this way. I think there's so much beauty in it.

SPEAKER_00 37:00

There is, there is, definitely. And I think even like something that I want to say to all of this is we're healing like layers and parts of ourselves, right? Like, because there's a big part of you, just because I know you, that you do trust other people. You trust me, you know, you know, you let me support you, and there's this pieces of you, but then there were other parts of you that weren't trusting. And the same for me, right? Like, I have a lot of deep trust for a lot of people, but we're really facing these patterns and these parts of ourselves, not our whole selves, but the parts that aren't trusting, or the parts that would normally, like you said, freak out. Like I can handle this part of my life, but you know, this piece of me doesn't really trust this, like you're addressing parts of yourself.

SPEAKER_03 37:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:44

I don't know why. I just feel like it's important to say that because we're not talking, you know, we can have a big portion of us that does trust, and then we can have a part of us that doesn't, and we're gonna want to dig into that part that doesn't because the more we clean up these parts and we get them all in alignment with truth, the better we feel, the right, the more ease we have in our bodies when we don't have certain parts of us like fighting ourselves or creating stories or helping us live in the past. So, this part of you that you just brought up into your truth. I mean, how beautiful is that? Yeah. You just did that through all that chaos and through all that stuff you had to deal with, you brought her into this new space, and you do sound so calm about it. Like you do sound really grounded in it. It's in your body, not just in your thoughts.

SPEAKER_03 38:34

Yeah, no, and it feels good, honestly. It does. Like, like I brought up to you a minute ago. Like, if I if I didn't take that new, if I didn't step into this new pattern, I really think you and Dean would have had to come save me.

SPEAKER_02 38:56

Well, now I'm mad at you for stepping into it. How dare you? How dare you take that moment away that I can leave it before?

SPEAKER_00 39:07

Oh no, but I do get what you're saying. I do get it. Yeah, and for anyone that's not aware, we're talking about a character on Supernatural.

SPEAKER_03 39:20

Yeah. No, I've I love that show. Yeah. And he's a good-looking man. I saw this thing the other day that said, if your wife watches Supernatural, you're no longer her husband. He is your husband. And it shows Gents and Accles, and I'm like, if that ain't the damn truth.

SPEAKER_02 39:46

Oh my gosh, so funny.

Aries Moon Fire And Virgo Steps

SPEAKER_00 39:50

You know, one of the things that I feel like through this identity thing, so I have Aries moon, which means a lot of my emotions, right? And that's what I'm looking at right now is my emotions, and I'm recognizing the new identity that like I don't need to gaslight myself. I don't need to um, or I'm not gaslighting myself anymore, right? Like I'm embodying my truth and I'm embodying, instead of embodying confusion and staying in this space of confusion, I'm really learning to trust myself and not gaslight myself. And I know what I'm thinking and feeling versus questioning it and spinning out. And so it's interesting to me just what you're describing, you know, the whole where the planets are and and what's going on.

SPEAKER_03 40:33

And I uh love Aries moon. I know that sometimes you get frustrated with it, but I love how adaptable Aries moons are, right? So, like they prefer addressing problems right there. They don't want to leave it on the back burner, right? They don't want to dwell on it. They want to just, what's the issue, right? Just tell me what the issue is and let's get it over with. Even though you guys feel so intensely, I look at it like the easiest way you can explain it is I got really mad and I didn't want to act that way in front of my grandpa. And afterwards, when I went to apologize to him, I was like, I'm so sorry that I talked to her that way. He was like, You're not angry or mad. You're just passionate. And I think that's where people miss it, right? For especially for Aries moons. It is passion that is just ignited that is coming out of you, it's spewing out of you in every way. And and people don't know how to handle that type of energy because a lot of people don't even know what their passion is, right? So yeah, it makes it hard or or difficult to be an Aries moon, let alone have, you know, like an Aries full moon, because it is intense and and it comes with a little bit of impatience, right? It challenges you for patience where it's like, okay, do we need to have a slower process? And like uh, but no, you guys, it's like quick. And I love that. It's like, yeah, get it out, get it over with, move on. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want to carry this anymore. But there's so much courage there because do you know how hard it is for somebody to speak their truth in general? Yet you guys have no filter when it comes to that. You just let it out, and I freaking love it, absolutely love it. And you guys need challenges, right? Aries Moon needs that challenge so that you guys can feel that passion reigniting for whatever the case may be, regardless if it's like a fight that's happening. All you guys are literally saying is I'm lacking pay, I'm lacking passion or desire, and I need it. So tell me what is going on. That makes so much sense, honestly. Yeah. I love everybody does not like Aries. I personally love it. I love the drive. I love the emotional process. I love how you guys are able to say it, get it over with, and move on. You rip the band-aid off as quick as possible so that you can move on and start creating something else.

SPEAKER_00 43:11

Yeah, I agree. I think though, what I'm learning is that I often I have that quick, intense knowing and that quick moment where it's like, yeah, this is what we need to work on. But then if I gaslight myself or go into confusion or don't move it through, it's kind of burning me up from the inside, right? Because I'm not, and that's what I've been noticing. I do is that when I sit and spin on it, that heat burns and I need to go do something with that. I've already felt it, I already know. Don't go up into the into the mind, right? Go into the body. And that I think that's the missing piece that I've been working on for so long. And now I'm starting to embody it. Like, nope, I'm not in confusion. I know what is going on. Is there a solution right now? Maybe not, but I but I do know what I'm feeling, and I know where I'm going, and I know what's happening. Happening, right?

SPEAKER_03 44:01

And so there's a have you ever tried leaning into your Virgo though? Like your Virgo rising, where you make practical steps through the emotions that you're feeling.

SPEAKER_00 44:13

Yeah, I feel like so. Probably not as much as I should, but I would say yes, there is there's a part of it actually does that.

SPEAKER_03 44:22

Yeah, I feel like that would help you be like, okay, yeah. So, like on a grounded practical level, this is how I'm feeling. But how can I take the next steps to move forward during this challenge? Because Virgos love a challenge because they've mastered everything already. That's where those perfectionistic like tendencies tend to happen because we've already dealt with them, we've already rooted them, we've already moved it through our body. And now how am I going to kind of because Virgo is also like Taurus, it's earth energy, and it is your body, it's your sixth house, it's not yours personally, but just in the chart. So it is like, how can I be in my body and have a balanced look at this? And Aries and Virgo are two sides of the spectrum. Aries is quick, Virgo's is slower, right? So it's like, how can you mesh those two together and lean in these moments where it could feel like a challenge, lean more into the Virgo, right? Because we are Leos, we come from a heart. So we have all of this compassion and understanding, but Virgo also doesn't deal with shit. They're like, no, I'm not dealing with it. But they come at it from a grounded point of view. So it's like, I feel like what's happening is like your Aries, moon, and Virgo rising are kind of boxing a little bit. And it's like lean into your Virgo a little more.

SPEAKER_00 45:45

Well, and I think that's what I'm actually doing by stepping out of confusion, right? Like I've stayed in the confusion. I've recognized confusion can be a protective mechanism because then I don't have to take those steps that my Virgo knows to take. You know what I mean? So I feel like this me moving into over the last few years, healing the part of me that gaslights myself, healing the part of me that doesn't want to have boundaries, healing the part of myself that um likes to stay in confusion so that I don't have to do the steps that I know to do. That is me leaning more into the Virgo now because I had to kind of step into those parts and heal that for me to listen to her, right? To listen because it comes quick. My emotions were coming quick, and then I knew the solution, but then I stayed in the middle, not the solution, but the steps, like next steps, but I wouldn't do them because I didn't want to hurt somebody's feelings or because I didn't, you know, I could go on and on about the list of why. And so I just stay in confusion so that I can protect myself from actually having to do that stuff. That makes sense, yeah. So I do feel like I'm stepping more into what you're talking about, but it it I had to address some of these deeper um patterns to be able to actually do that in a cleaner way. And you know how it is. I feel like I used to do that more than I did when these wounds opened and I started to have to address these parts of myself. Because anytime you're like, oh, I'm gonna start looking at the gaslighting part of myself and heal that. Well, now you're like treading in that water so deeply because the universe is like, okay, well, here's this opportunity and this opportunity, and here's another one, and now you're just in the wound living it to get yourself to the other side, right? Yeah. So I don't feel like I always did that all the time. But when I chose to address these issues, I really became them. And it's been hard to be my Virgo self because I'm hitting the emotions, then I'm hitting the wounds, and then I'm stuck right there. Instead of actually walking through to the other side where the Virgo is, it's like, I totally know what to do. Let's do this and we'll do that, and we can do this. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks, you know.

SPEAKER_03 47:55

It's true.

SPEAKER_00 47:56

So yeah, I do think I love the way you said it though, because it gives me, I love mental pictures or like a deeper understanding of what I'm doing. Um, and that is the new identity, right? That I'm stepping into is like I can lean into that Virgo and take the next

Using Rising Sign For Personal Cycles

SPEAKER_00 48:10

step.

SPEAKER_03 48:11

Well, and it is it does support it right now too, because in astrology, there's like there's like three new years, right? So we have what I call the new year, which is Aries season, but then we have our own personal new year, right? So yours would be Virgo season because you're a Virgo rising. So that's when you're able to really step into this like new version of yourself, right? It's like, okay, everything is supporting me right now astrologically, that I can fully step into it. And we are getting closer to Leo season. So that would be in your 12th house. So it makes it a little more difficult because you're still releasing, right? So that you can enter this new phase that you want to walk through. And then if you want to get like super, super into it, you can do it where, like if say you're, I don't know exactly what you're at, but say you're like a 19 degrees Virgo. So your real true start date would be like September. No, when is it the 24th? So 19 days after August 24th would be what it would be, right? And you can have like a huge celebration, or there's so many ways you can look at it, but I do it the easy way where it's just okay, yeah. So once we hit sad season, I'm feeling feeling good. Versus like our actual birthday. A lot of people may notice when you when you get close to your birthday, we always have this like, oh, right? We're like reviewing the last year, we're feeling hard on ourselves, on things we didn't accomplish. Yeah, we're celebrating the things that we did, but it's like when you when you celebrate with your rising and harness that it hits 10 times different. I'm sure Virgo season, you're feeling amazing.

SPEAKER_00 50:09

Yeah. So so how would you apply this though? Because now, you know, my brain is like going into astrology. If we're in a moment right now where we're stepping into new identity, but my specific season of really being able to do that would be Virgo season, yeah. Then how do you kind of navigate it? How does that go together, right? If we if we're like supposed to be doing it right now, but it's not truly my season, yet I have some of it available to me. Like, I don't know, can you just speak to that?

SPEAKER_03 50:39

So when, okay, so we'll use this as an example with Chirona at 29 degrees where we're letting go, right? And we are in, we're embarking cancer season. So then how would that look because you're a Virgo? What you would do is what are you releasing and where's cancer in your chart? So you look up cancer. I think yours is in your so Leo can't, it would be 11th house, which is like um social circles, right? So you'll celebrate with other people to help you have that release to step into your new identity once Virgo season happens. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 51:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:18

You use both, but you truly celebrate yourself when it's Virgo season.

SPEAKER_00 51:26

Yeah. And if we're stepping, if like right now, so another way I think that my brain is thinking, you can tell me if I'm I'm thinking of it correctly, is like right now we are looking at so much an identity that if I do the work now, it's even I'm gonna reap even more of it when my season hits for stepping into it. Yes. Yeah. I like that, makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 51:51

Yeah. That's why every six months it's always good to do like a little check-in, right? This goes for everybody, whether you want a session or you want a therapy session, or you're every six months you're gonna have a transition phase, right? Because you have your your birthday, and then you have what's or we'll use what I've been talking about. You have you know your celebration time where you're in your first house of self, which is identity, which is your rising sign. Yeah, and then six months later you're in the opposing sign, the descendant, which is for you Pisces, right? It's in your seventh house. I hate Pisces D. I know because it's hard. There, it's literally descendant from you, right? So it's like there's another life change. So every six months we have a really high moment, and then we have a low moment because it has to balance out.

SPEAKER_00 52:47

Beautiful. So just to recap, people can look at what their rising sign is. They know like that's their this is this is the beginning of your sixth month, and then six months later you're gonna be in that descendant sign, and and that's the six-month cycle. So everyone can figure that out by finding out their rising sign and starting from that point. I like that. Yeah, that's helpful.

SPEAKER_02 53:08

I know because you'll notice that like when pinity season hit, I'm always like, I hate this season.

SPEAKER_00 53:15

No, mine's right now, Gemini. Mine's right now,

Triggers As Challenges And Better Words

SPEAKER_00 53:20

mine's right now. And look at everything that's happening to you. You've been going deep. Yeah, descending into so many different things.

SPEAKER_03 53:29

Yeah, Gemini is uh always Gemini is just so I'm someone who because I have so much fire, right? It's like I'm a Sag rising, I'm a Leo Sun. I've even though everything else is it, I have no water in my chart. Well, I do, but everybody has like Scorpio and Pluto, that's my age, you know. So for me, I am that quick. I am let's get this resolved. I am very direct, I don't want to hold on to anything, I don't have time for that shit, right? Yeah. So when and I don't have any air in my chart, zero air. So for me, I'm not someone who thinks before they speak. I'm not someone who uh I'm not very analytical at all. It just is what it is. You know what I mean? So when we get into Gemini season, it really hits who I am. Like I am gonna have to slow down, I am gonna have to process, I am gonna have to speak up a lot more on what has been bothering me. And I think I talked about this with you. A topic got brought up about women empowerment, and it just word vomited out where it's like I like pumping my I don't like pumping my own gas. I like having my husband pump my gas. Like nothing needs to be changed, leave it that way. And having that balance, and I could I have handled it differently, absolutely, and that's where Gemini triggers me. Where I know it doesn't trigger me, it challenges me to really look at the other side of things when I don't want to look at it. It's not something I don't want to look at. I don't want to overthink, I don't want to go down and learn more shit that I've already learned. I don't want to have to sit in it, I don't want to have to communicate it. I communicate more than anybody. Why should I have to communicate more? But it's getting into a place of communicating where someone else can understand you. And that's what bothers my my Sag hates that. Why should I have to and not saying this in a negative way, but why should I have to dumb down what I'm saying because you don't understand? Yeah. Yeah. So Gemini season is that for me. And I and I've had to do that where it's like, okay, Brianna, just this time I I did. It's like, okay, they're not understanding, you don't have to say it in a condescending way like your fire ass wants to. You can literally say this is my perspective of it. What is your perspective of it? And then you can meet in the middle. And that's what is beautiful about Gemini, truly, is they have amazing duality. Yeah, they really do. But I don't want to harness that. I really don't. Just let me say what I want to say and just uh understand. If you don't, too bad, you know? Oh yeah. Yeah. But we do, we sure do. We gotta go through those moments. But I love the way forward.

SPEAKER_00 56:46

Yeah, yeah, then we can look forward. I love the way though that like just words mean something, right? In the way we say things. And so we're talking about, like you said, it triggers me, and then you immediately like no, it challenges me. Right? And that's so beautiful to stop and reframe it because every word has an energy to it. And when we want to talk about triggers, that's gonna bring up a whole different feeling in your body than like, oh, I'm gonna meet this challenge because it has something for me.

SPEAKER_03 57:15

Well, and that's how we look at astrology, right? People are like, oh, there's shitty placements. And I do catch myself saying that, but there's not really bad placements, right? There's just challenging placements. And how are you going to it's either challenging yourself for growth or challenging you to step into a new version of yourself, right? It's a challenge. Are you willing to let go? Are you willing to release? Are you willing to look inward? Are you willing to look at your external environment that may be possibly affecting your internal environment, depending on you know what's going on? And how are you going to face that challenge? Yeah, it's not a bad placement, it's just a challenging time right now. And how and what comes out of a challenge when we win something, right? This is how I look at it. When I am in a challenge, I but I'm very competitive. I when I win that, oh everybody put on your freaking uh sunglasses because you're about to be blinded, you know. I won, I'm irradiating, and I'm not trying to like piss people off and like I'm not like a sore winner. No, it's like that's just how it is, you know what I mean? So why wouldn't you look at it? Okay, I'm in a challenging phase, but what is happening? I'm learning, I'm growing, I'm evolving. At the end of this challenge, everybody put on your damn sunglasses because it's gonna be shining bright. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:54

Which is amazing. I love that. We want everyone to shine. We want them to be so bright that we have to cover our eyes, right? Because they just did so damn good. Yeah. I feel like we miss that a lot in our society. We do, we don't celebrate ourselves enough. We truly don't. Or if somebody does, they're like, Well, don't you think you you you're just badass, or aren't you conceited, or aren't you know, there's so many stories that come with it. And it's like, that's not what it is. Just will you just freaking cheer with me? I know. I feel like I'm really good at that though. I I love cheering for people. I love celebrating people. I don't have that, I don't have that. I mean, I'm sure it's somewhere in there sometimes, but my my main energy is like, I'm gonna be your cheerleader. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:44

Well, we're Leos. We do. We love seeing other people win. We love seeing them thrive. We love we love that. We really do. They're we're heart centered. So of course we're gonna want to cheer somebody on that we love. Absolutely. We want to see them win. Yeah. I wanna I want to see everybody win. And I'm someone who who I didn't used to celebrate my small wins until like five years ago. And then it's like life happens and you realize like you should be celebrating the small moments more than the big moments.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:24

Yeah. Well, because there's so many so often that if you actually saw those, you would see so much beauty and so much like, oh, yes, I

Micro Wins And Real Gratitude

SPEAKER_00 1:00:35

am doing it. But if we're only waiting for the big ones, it they can be a little bit farther in few between.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:41

Yeah. Sometimes I just have to tell myself, like, I know it's TMI, but you know when like your kid goes to the bathroom when they're little and you're all excited and you're like, come on, you pooed, right? And then you get a sticker and you feel rewarded and you're like celebrated. Sometimes we need to remember that. Like, if you go take a shit today, celebrate yourself. Like right.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:01

Well, I mean, honestly, there's a lot of people that aren't able to take a poop and they're like in pain for a couple days.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:07

It's a big deal that you're like, Oh, I'm going regularly.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:11

Yeah, I went today, I released.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:13

Yeah, it's a good thing. Like, get excited about it, you know what I mean? Or like you um what's another one? Like you tied your shoes, like, I'm so proud of you got out of bed. Yeah. Or like, you know, you're burping your kid and you're like, oh, that was the good one. And now if you like, you know, fart in public, people are like, oh my God. And you're just like, oh, good for you. That was the good one.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:41

Better out than in. Good job. You're not gonna have a stomachache in a little while.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:45

Yeah, it's like you released gas. Good job. It's like those little things. Uh the reason why I brought this up is because today at the store, there was an old man and he farted and he turned around and I chuckled and he started chuckling. And he was like, Brindly's like laughing, you know, she's trying to like hide and she doesn't want to embarrass him. And and he looks and he goes, You're laughing. I said, Farts are funny, good job. You let it out. And he was like, Yeah. And it's like, that's what I'm talking about, like celebrating those small things, because he probably hasn't gone to the bathroom in a week, you know what I mean? And that was a win for him today. Like, it's like to celebrate those small things. Like, I don't care. Like, people need to start celebrating small things. They really do it. Makes your life feel so much better.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:32

Yeah. So much better. And even in what you're saying right now, it's like, and just being human. Can we just celebrate being human instead of it being like a big old problem?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:40

I think that's what's wrong with the world right now, Katie. I really do. No one, no one wants to see the little good things anymore. I feel like right now, actually, it is half and half. I feel like there's 50% of the collective that is in this phase where they're like, absolutely celebrate the small wins. And then I feel like there's 50% of the collective that is just, oh, I can't do this, I can't do that, or you know what I mean? Everything's negative, and that's fine. I mean, it is pretty nice. That is 50-50. I mean, there's a good balance that's happening there if you want to look at the plus side of it. But it's like, if you can just have somebody celebrate one small thing today, like you probably didn't even want to leave the house, you know what I mean? And he did, and it's like that's a win. Celebrate that.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:26

Yeah. Well, and how good would you feel if you started doing those micro celebrations all the time, right? Like, how good would that feel to be in gratitude of yourself, of the world, of you know, that just seems like a no-brainer. Like, why aren't we doing that all the time?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:45

Well, and you know, I feel like that's how people, this is another thing that that bothered me the other day. People are talking about gratitude, right? And they're like, Oh, well, you gotta be grateful, you know. Like someone had posted, it was like a friend, they had posted, like they had a shitty week. And in my brain, I'm like, Well, yeah, welcome to the club, you know. And it's like, well, you're they're not dealing with it, you know, they're they're choosing to repeat a pattern. I don't know if you do this, but I do this with people where I'm like, oh, they're repeating the pattern. And then um she posts something else, and she was like, But I'm complaining, and then she was, but I'm blessed. And it's like, uh, okay, so are you putting a band-aid over it? Like, what's happening?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:28

Yeah, there's a difference of real gratitude or just like trying to yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:33

And see, when I do gratitude lists, for me, it isn't like, oh, uh sometimes, yeah. It's like, oh, I'm grateful to have a roof over my head, I'm grateful to have warming water, I'm grateful to have this. My gratitude list is more so I'm grateful that that mother effer cut me off today. Yeah, the things that made me mad or I felt challenged on, that is what I'm grateful for. This last week that I had, I'm grateful for it. Yeah, because you grew from it. Yeah, and I saw the beauty that was actually, and I saw the support, and I witnessed things about myself that I didn't think that I would come to for probably a couple more years. Who knows? You know what I mean? Yeah, and it's like those are the moments that I feel like we should be in more gratitude versus I have a roof over my head. I mean, obviously you're grateful you have a roof over your head. Yeah, and for some people, that is their challenge, and that is what they are grateful for, and that's beautiful, but for me, it's like, no, I'm I'm grateful for the asshole that cut me off. I am because it required me to slow down, and that's what I needed in that moment. I needed to slow down, or something challenged me the way that they were driving because they didn't use their blinker, and it was like, uh, and then it's like it wasn't I never got angry because they didn't use their blinker. I got angry. Angry because I just let somebody cross my boundary when I was in the store. So that person who cut me off not using a blinker was actually telling me, hey, no, be grateful that that came up because now moving forward, you can slow down before having a reaction, or slow down before, you know, getting angry and seeing what was actually bothering you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:23

But really, I feel like what you're saying is we're circling back to the identity of like everything's happening for me. Yeah. Like this is all not just like punishment and chaos and and bullshit. This is my life showing me who I am, what I feel, what I think, giving me opportunities. It's all happening for me. Yeah. It's hard when it's even the chaos.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:47

Yeah. And it's hard, right? Well, let's talk about it. When people are living in a state of chaos within themselves or externally, right? You're constantly waiting for the next chaos to happen. And a lot of people thrive in chaos. I used to be one of those people that would thrive in chaos. It's like, okay, we're running late, or this is happening, or this is happening, this is happening. And it's like, that's how I got through my day. To now, like five years ago, I slowly started shifting to like, no, this isn't what's happening. This isn't, I'm not accepting this, right? Well, the second that you say that this is something that you're not going to accept is when I feel like you're moving into that next version of you. Because yeah, it it's gonna happen. We're human. We live in a world where there's especially right now, there's constant chaos. Why wouldn't you want to choose something different? But it's scary, right? When you go to step into that, you feel terrified because what is it going to look like when it's calm? Am I gonna be able to sit with myself? Am I gonna be able to trust that people are gonna show up? Whatever the case may be. Yeah, they will. And the only way that you're gonna know that is by getting in that uncomfy phase and taking that step, anyways, and then allowing it to show up around you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:09

And if we want to look at it even deeper, right? Like the chaos is is there because it's presenting you with an opportunity to do all of that questioning right there. Yeah, right. Like, and life is gonna life. Life is gonna life. We're never gonna just put our feet up and be done. And so how you respond to it shows you what you believe and where your work is.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:28

So I know that you had talked about, I want to talk about this because I want to know how you feel. Because I know we haven't really talked a lot, and I feel like people we've talked about it so much on almost

Stop Gaslighting And Get Witnessed

SPEAKER_03 1:08:40

every podcast where we sit with our body. How has that been feeling for you? Because what today's day 17?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:47

Oh, yeah, like daily meditation. Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, like what is my process? Is that what you mean? Or like how it's feeling when I'm sitting there? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:02

Because I know we talked about it a little bit, where it's like, yeah, we have moments where we just don't want to sit with ourselves, right? Mine just happened. Where I I was checking in, but I wasn't doing my full process, right? And then how we need that to step away sometimes to not sit with ourselves as much and let life happen, right? Like, what is your view on that and how has it made you feel?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:29

So I think for me right now, my intention is a bit different. I'm not really well, I am sitting with myself, but my intention has been before the day starts, before I get in other people's energy, before I interact with all of this stuff, I sit down and I'm like, hi Katie. This is Katie. Like, here I am. What needs to move out? So I am, I am sitting with it, but it's kind of like, oh, I'm feeling some stuff in my body, right? And I'm aching in my shoulder. It's like, oh, I want to roll around on the floor, oh, I want to tap a little bit. Um, or I'm just literally just focusing on my breath and just letting my body relax before I hit the day. So that's kind of where I've been at with it. But sitting, so kind of just to shift though, like that's that's been my morning routine, but I feel like my current sitting with it deal with it has been more about getting um external support and and somebody externally witnessing me. So whether it's you or like I have I have a couple other friends where I'm no longer trying to hold it myself and figure it out. I'm letting myself be seen in it and then I'm moving through it in a different way. So my process right now has been like get out, stop hiding, stop doing it yourself and let people see where you're at and and reflect back to you things so that you can actually move through it. Does that make sense? Because I'm stepping out of the confusion, I'm stepping out of the gaslighting, and it really does take somebody else to be like, Lino, like even you, you, you'll say something like, no, Katie, or no, I see it this way, or or you wait for me to go through the process and you're like, Yeah, I heard that already. I was waiting for you through it, right? So I feel like for me personally, right now, my process of sitting with it is about getting that external support so that I can see myself in a different way, I guess, you know, because when you're when you're in confusion or when you gaslight yourself a lot, you do need somebody else that can that can hold that space and reflect back to your truth and then anchor it in.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:33

And you know what's beautiful is I literally brought this up earlier, is that you have cancer in your 11th house, which is friends, social circles.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:42

And I have been leaning a lot more on that. It's like, oh, it doesn't like the story will come up. You're too needy, or you, you know, no, don't don't do that, don't put that on them, don't speak up again. Like, just go handle it yourself. But that's been my MO for years. I handle it myself. And in the like I said, in this particular journey where I'm addressing the parts of me that do the gaslighting, I can't do it myself. I have to let people support me. I have to have an anchor so that I don't go back into that spinning and back into that confusion.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:15

So it's serving a lot of purpose. So that's kind of how I'm sitting with it. But in the morning, my goal is to be with myself first so that I know how Katie feels. I know what Katie wants, right? When you when you like get up and you you haven't centered yourself and then you just go on with your day, you do get lost, especially for somebody who's a feeler or a helper, or you know, you got a lot of people around you, you kind of get lost and then you don't even know where you're at on the map. Like, where are you? You know, where am I? What do I feel? What do I want? Is this mine? I don't know. Because I didn't even know what I felt like in the first place today. You know, so I'm really, I guess, just circling back to that practice of like the more I know how I feel, the more I know when somebody else's energy is in my space, when I've started like going into an old pattern. Um so it's identity work, right? Like this is me. Yeah. And I'm moving through the day from me instead of moving from my day, moving into my day from everybody else's energy and having no clue where I actually exist on the map.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:15

Yeah. I love your version. Ideal. Because you know exactly how you're feeling. You're meeting with yourself first thing in the morning.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:24

Yeah. And I hadn't been doing that. I have lots of practices. And I do, you know how it is, you're the same way. It's like we do some of this so naturally, right? But then other times we have to dig back into like a more structured um, what's the word I want to use? Like more intentional practice, right? To kind of move through some of these layers. Because every day I'm listening I am listening, I'm checking in, I'm listening to my guides, and listening to my higher self. Um, you know, every day that's just who I am. But I need some deeper structure to move through this particular phase I'm in.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:02

Isn't that beautiful? Like to feel supported by yourself.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:06

Yeah, honestly, yeah. And to move out of gaslighting. So anybody who is in who, if you're working this wound to or noticing you gaslight yourself, like get some support. You can't do it on your own. Because you'll gaslight yourself, right? You'll gaslight yourself right out of your knowing, right? Like it is the pattern. You need somebody else's nervous system who can hold you, who can help you see your truth, you know, and it's not about somebody telling me how I feel. They reflect back to me what they're seeing, and then I can own it on a deeper level. So it's just, yeah, like that's just where I want to leave it. If you are gas, if you are in that pattern of gaslighting, get support because you can't do it on your own.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:48

So, can we use a reference?

The Possum Lesson On Strategy

SPEAKER_03 1:14:50

Do you mind if I share about the possum? Yeah. So not the details. No, I know. Yeah, I know, yeah. I was already right here. Roundabout details, yes. So Katie had kept seeing a possum and in my mind's eye. Playing dead. Is that what you said?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:12

Yeah. So in my whenever I see a possum in my mind's eye, you know, I see the medicine of like playing dead to something energetically. Don't putting a don't put a lot into it, like, you know, let it kind of be on its own so that you don't feed more into that energy.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:27

Yeah, and I look at them completely different. Like I see them as somebody who is like able to adapt to challenges and be able to just be like witty about clever. Clever. Yeah. Yeah. They're really clever, they're witty, like they have a whole personality to themselves. And so whenever I see them, I'm like, well, that's a way to release it, is by being clever or witty, or you're still addressing it, but it's not coming from like, okay, I'm I'm dead. We're done, you know? Yeah. And so it was like sometimes you need the reason why I'm sharing this is because sometimes we need somebody else's perspective to be, even though we have a belief of what something is, sometimes somebody else's belief or how they view them actually can help you get out of like, oh shit, okay, yeah, maybe maybe the reason why I was seeing it was because I was playing dead. And I need that other, I need that witty cleverness to come out to help me through it.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:31

Yeah. Well, and you know what's fascinating. So in this situation in particular, it it was actually both messages because in it, I just love when we talk because I feel like it fits the whole Aries Moon Virgo, like leaning into the Virgo, right? So leaning into the Virgo would be like getting clever, getting strategic, right? Like leaning into the next steps. And where I saw the playing dead, it's like I have to play dead to my old patterns. I have to play dead to the part of myself that wants to stay in the confusion. And no, that I'm not gonna give that confusion any energy. I'm not gonna give this raw, crazy emotion any energy, right? So I feel like my message was only half of it. And when you brought in the other side of it, it was like, ah, right. So, like my raw emotion that's like, ah, I'm gonna freak out here. That's not gonna do any good, right? That's the Aries moon. I'm just gonna burst into flames over here, and people are gonna be like, I don't know what you want. You need to speak, right? Which would be like, get clever, get strategic, lean into the Virgo of like, you do need to speak up, but you don't need to do it the way you have been doing it. You don't need to be in all this emotion. So, yeah, when you gave me the other perspective, it was like, okay, I do know what I'm doing, but I'm missing this piece over here. So, yeah, it was really beautiful when you shared that. Because it it, I don't know, like I said, I can just see right now how it totally fits into the whole conversation we're talking about about leaning into my Virgo. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:04

And you want friends who are able to do that, right? Because you don't want a friend who is also gonna like be your hype girl, you know, and be like, yeah, fuck them. You know what I mean? It's yeah, like, wait a minute, let's take a step back here for a second.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:19

Yeah, because I do that. No, I think you should look at this a different way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:26

Because I do do that sometimes where I'm like, yeah, Katie, fuck that, you know. Well, that's when it's necessary, yeah. Yeah. And then there's times where it's like, hold on, wait a second, let's let's come at this from a different angle, real quick, you know? Yeah. And that's the that's the support that you want to have. Yeah, those are the people you want around you. Yeah, you you do it for me too. I'll be freaking out, and you're like, yeah, freak out. And then there's times where it's like, I think you said it the other day where you're like, I knew what was the word that you heard? Avoidance. Yeah. Like, oh, she's avoiding something. Yeah. And then you didn't tell me, and then I had the aha moment. I told you, and you're like, you know, I was gonna tell you, but but sometimes we need we need to, and that's how I look at true friends. You want to say something, but you know it's not the time because you can you just feel it, like you're so connected to them that you know that it's not time, right? And then there was something today that I was like, yeah, oh, the vulnerability. And it was like, oh, don't tell her about that, she'll figure it out. And then sure shit, today you figured it out.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:41

And it was like, okay. Yeah, because in truth, there's some things that we have to figure out on our own for them to really land. And then sometimes we need somebody else's per perspective to help us see it because we probably won't see it very quickly or very easily, right? And so those are the moments when we're like, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and speak up and just just reflect this back to her, or I'm gonna be quiet because it feels like the right time to let her kind of do this on her own, and then we'll talk about it later.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:10

I think I even told you, like, if you would have told me that, it would have just gone through one ear out the other. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:16

Which is why my body was like, no, just wait. Yeah. And it's important to trust those feelings, right? That that comes down to also trusting your intuition. And just because you know something doesn't mean you need to say it, right? There's also some trust in the throat of like I can have some boundaries, I can see it clearly. Yeah, but our throat is so open, Katie. I know, but that's the practice we're doing, right? Is we don't just say our soul's like not right now, and we're like, oh, okay, thank you. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:43

Well, that's just like Thursday, right?

Intuition Signals And Body Knowing

SPEAKER_03 1:20:45

I literally told Lewis, I was like, in my mind, I first said, I can feel it, something bad's gonna happen tomorrow. And then of course I go through it, wasn't coming from fear, right? I just got a hit in my body that something bad was gonna happen. And whenever it's in my more in my chest, I know it's like collective, right? Or politics or has nothing to do with me. And I did, I looked at Lewis and I was like, something bad's gonna happen tomorrow. And I fought with myself saying it out loud because I thought you're gonna make it happen. Listen, yeah, I know I'm powerful, but I'm not that fucking powerful. And so he looks at me and he's like, What do you mean? And I'm like, was there anything happening political? He's like, babe, I haven't been keeping up with it. And I'm like, Oh, that's right. So then I had to ask myself, like, okay, is it worldly? No, okay. Well, is it something I can handle? Yeah. Okay, well, then why are you making me feel this way? And it's like, oh, well, it's just like a heads up, you know what I mean? Like, be prepared. Sure, should I wake up on Friday and I'm like, okay, why is I'm gonna need support today. My lower back's hurting me. I'm gonna have to ask for help. And I'm like, fantastic. I'm just not getting out of bed today. And what was I doing? I was avoiding it. I already knew, and then I was questioning my intuition because I got that hit, but they said I was gonna be safe and it was gonna be something I could handle. And then my lower back let me know in the morning, like, you're gonna have to ask it was like, I'm gonna avoid the whole thing at all costs. I'm not even getting out of bed today. And then it's like, shoot water everywhere, and it's like, well, shit, there's no avoiding this. I gotta get out of bed.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:25

But I love it because you're just really describing too that our bodies know before we do. Our bodies know. So even if it's not spirit telling us, it is your body saying, I already sense this energy, you know. I watched a video one time. It's called Something Unknown Is what is it? It's like something that we don't something unknown is happening. Well, I don't know. I'm gonna I'll I'll find it later and put it in there. But it's basically was about intuition, and they were they were watching people's eyes dilate. So they're watching a TV program, and before something horrific would come on the screen, their eyes would dilate. Their body knew before the scene switched to something terrible that something terrible was coming. Oh, yeah, and so the the this whole movie, this whole like documentary was about intuition, and so like they're watching it and and everything's fine, and then their eyes would dilate, and then the scene would come on. And so, like, their body knew before anything happened that it was a little bit. Isn't that amazing? Yeah, and that's amazing. Is like you knew something was gonna happen because your body told you it wasn't in your mind, it wasn't, it was just an intuitive knowing that okay, this is coming. Yeah, we gotta trust that.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:43

Yeah, everybody needs to trust that. Yeah, I I trusted it, but I questioned a little bit until it was like, and by question I mean, like, is this worldly? Am I gonna be okay? Like, yeah, I questioned it, but I wasn't coming from a place of fear. I just listened to my body and was like, okay, well, something's happening. And then it was like, well, I'll be able to handle it. And then my back was like, Yeah, you're gonna have to ask for support today.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:08

And it was like, I'm staying in bed, but it's so beautiful that you still clocked it. You still like mental note of like, oh, my back, and when it happens, this is what's happening, and all this feel you know what I mean? So I feel like you still did so good acknowledging, even if you didn't know what you know what was coming. Yeah. The I I just looked real quick so I could say it. Something unknown is doing we don't know what. And it's all about intuition. What's it on? Um, it's a documentary. I had a DVD a long time ago. Um, it says you can watch it on Prime Video or YouTube subscription.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:49

Oh, okay. I think I might watch it.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:52

Yeah, I think it's a good thing. Unknown is doing we don't know what. I'm like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:59

Um beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:03

I love this entire conversation.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:06

It's funny how it all circles back, and I know you guys can't see us, but we're both wearing green shirts. And we're gonna plan that. Yeah, green tank tops. Yeah, and I never wear tank tops. Oh, I live in them. I can't stand sleeves. It's too hot right now. No, I'll do short sleeves, but I'm like, you know what? I'm doing it, and I don't have anything green. And I just again I just got this today, like earlier, and I'm like, it is hot. I'm just gonna wear it. I'm just talking to Katie. And then that was the first thing I said. We're both wearing green tops.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:41

Yeah. So good.

Hope, Takeaways, And Goodbye

SPEAKER_00 1:25:44

Beautiful. So before we complete, are there any last words or anything you want to leave them about astrology, or does it all feel complete?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:54

I do want to say, like, even if they're even if it feels challenging right now, don't lose hope. Just look at it as a challenge. Just celebrate your small wins that you have and watch what happens as you keep going.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:08

Beautiful. And I think to add to that is if we're looking at identity shifts, observe how you're viewing it, how what you believe about it, what emotions are coming up, because then that's gonna tell you like, is this the identity I want? And then you also know where your work is, right? Like, I I I want this identity instead. Okay, well, now I know how to get there because I just saw who I am now. I saw where I want to be, and and what can I do? What action, what beliefs can I can I work on, right? Like, so as you accept the challenge, pay attention to who you are in that moment and is that who you want to be.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:46

Yeah, and what's happening around you once you accept it. Witness the witness the magic that happens around. You're not delusional, I promise.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:57

Yeah. Yes, and every time you take a new step, like a new action, every time you interrupt the pattern, you will you will become that person that you know that you really are. Agreed. Over now. Yes, over and out. Thank you all for listening. Uh and yeah, we'll catch you next time.