The Feral Fandoms Podcast
Why do some stories explode into global fandoms while others fade away? What makes readers ship characters, obsess over merch, and turn books into cult phenomena?
The Feral Fandoms Podcast dives deep into fandom culture — from Twilight to K-pop, Supernatural to BL dramas — to uncover the psychology, rituals, and chaos that fuel obsession. Hosted by author and cult-brand strategist Onley James and cohost Shannon Ezzell, each episode blends pop culture analysis, fandom breakdowns, and witchy insights with practical takeaways for writers and creators.
If you’re a burned-out author, indie creator, or fandom fan who wants to stop hustling and start building a devoted audience, this podcast is your initiation. Expect ship wars, fandom lore, marketing secrets, and unfiltered chaos, plus the tools to turn your work into a world fans can’t quit.
Because readers buy books. But fandoms buy everything.
The Feral Fandoms Podcast
From Fan To Author; A K-Pop Love Story
What if your favorite fandom didn’t just consume your life—it gave you one to build? We sit down with author Kaenyn King to trace the wild path from running a fan account to publishing an MM romance debut, Teach Me K-pop. The conversation is equal parts craft clinic, fandom love letter, and behind-the-scenes tour of indie publishing, told with the kind of candor that only comes from living it in public.
We start with origins: how posting twice a day on Mulvaney Media turned into friendships, industry contacts, and a supportive creative circle. Kaenyn shares the spark that changed everything—a fully formed story idea that hit while driving, leading to a twenty-two-page outline and a commitment to write through health setbacks. We talk about the mental game of author life: why some writers read less to protect their voice, how fanfic skills translate to novels, and what it feels like to hand your heart to an editor who can shape chaos into clarity.
Then we zoom into the world of K-pop and why it works so well on the page. Parasocial pull, stage personas versus offstage goofs, and the cultural rhythms of shows like Kingdom give texture to character and conflict. You do not have to be a stan to enjoy the book, and that is deliberate—Kaenyn builds gentle on-ramps so newcomers can follow the romance without prior knowledge. We also unpack indie publishing choices: picking the right editor and cover designer, navigating Kindle Unlimited versus selling direct, and growing sustainably with newsletters and special boxes without letting perfectionism stall the launch.
If you love stories about turning obsession into art, or you are curious how a secret-celebrity romance can welcome readers who know nothing about K-pop, you will feel right at home here. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs a creative nudge, and leave a quick review—your support helps us bring more voices from fandom to bookshelf.
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Oh, what's her hot take on Helen Keller? You'll never know, bitches. You're never gonna know. Can't cancel me.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Welcome to a very special episode of the Pharaoh Phantoms Podcast.
SPEAKER_01:This is gonna go off the rails.
SPEAKER_02:It is already this is the intro. Yeah, this is the intro. We're we're already batten a thousand. I'm only James, MMO romance author and owner of the Burned Out Muse, which is the mothership for this disaster that is the Pharaoh Phantoms Podcast.
SPEAKER_00:Welcome back. We appreciate you.
SPEAKER_02:And we are interviewing Kanan King today, another author who also happens to run my fan account, which sounds so weird. And I am here with Shannon, who is, as you know, a PA for just me. She's very exclusive.
SPEAKER_00:Very exclusive. She only works with me. I mean, you could hire me if you want.
SPEAKER_02:It's nothing big enough for anybody else to hire you.
SPEAKER_00:I'm super busy. If anybody tries to take Shannon, I'm gonna find them. Check them wait times in the shop, baby. You don't want me.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, and we are here with Kanan. And she wrote a book called Teach Me K-pop. I did. And we are gonna be talking today about her journey from fan to author. Yes, which is a great. Okay, so I have to ask because I've never asked you this before. Okay. Why did you start Mulvaney Media? Like what was the impetus that made you decide that you were gonna start a whole fan account? You just appeared one day, you just materialized out of nowhere and started gaining way more followers than me.
SPEAKER_00:You're really good. You really should run, you really should run her official one. No, I'm just kidding, just in it. Oh my god. Don't come for my job.
SPEAKER_02:They actually work well together.
SPEAKER_01:So I am not one of those people that knows how to be a casual fan of anything. I'm of the let this consume my soul variety.
SPEAKER_00:The too much gene. We have it too.
SPEAKER_01:So I read the books at the suggestion of a friend of mine who is also very closely tied to my K-pop journey. And I was like, oh my god, I love these guys so much. And I read them and reread them and reread them, and I have to do something with this. I've always been creative. I like to write, I like to twiddle around. I'm just dangerous enough with knowing how to do some editing things and stuff that I feel like I pull off some stuff. And I was just like, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna put it out there and see what happens, and like maybe I'll get 30 or 40 people that also like the books, and we'll see what happens. I knew some of my friends from a little online book club would probably follow me, and that was great. If it was just us, that was gonna be fine. Yeah. Um, and what's really funny is I put the first post out there and I could not decide if I should tag Only or not. I put the post up, hit send, and I ran into a mammogram appointment.
SPEAKER_02:I love, I like to hit and run too. Hit and run.
SPEAKER_00:I sometimes I send real hot takes through email, and then I'm like, I'm not gonna look at what they say back. If I do something risky, I'll delete the app off my phone and just like okay, I need touch grass.
SPEAKER_01:So I came and then I came out with the appointment, and she had already been like, oh my gosh, what is this? And we started texting, talking that day, DMing, and we talked all through my trip to Cole's and we covered all just so much ground in that first conversation, even of oh hey, we actually have a lot in common and similarities and fun stuff.
SPEAKER_02:You wrote them so well that it actually kind of spooked me a little bit because I was like, she could literally just slide into my place and I don't think anybody would even notice. If we read that, yeah, no, I'm your girl. You know nobody loves it.
SPEAKER_00:If something happens to me and I still need to get a paycheck, I will slide you in. I've got plenty of pictures of her. We'll AI your face, whatever we gotta do.
SPEAKER_02:But yeah, at last count, Mulvaney Media has 4,309 followers. And you've had that account, what, a year and a half? Next February will be four years.
SPEAKER_00:What? Four years. So you're from jumps. So you are it hasn't really been that long.
SPEAKER_01:I came in, I read the all of them up until Maniac. I came in like a month before Maniac came out. We all know I don't have three or four years, something like that. But it's been a while, and therefore the first two solid years, I was doing two posts a day. Oh, you were pranking that stuff out. Um the afternoon goofy post, and I made one of the posts from your kitchen table, which is one of my favorite stories. Yeah, she came to visit our conversation.
SPEAKER_02:I was like, hold on, it's time for my afternoon post. So funny is so many people were like, You let a random stranger come to your house who created a fan account for your books. And I was like, Duh, yeah, wouldn't you? You died in the movie. We had like moved on from just like we were solid friends by then. She came to see me at the house here. Why don't you tell me? I I'm almost positive I did.
SPEAKER_00:She was here for like seven hours one day. She didn't tell me. I actually wasn't invited. Hey listeners, I wasn't invited to this party. I talked to Mulvaney Media too. So should I just leave the interview since you guys are having parties without me? I'm only an hour away. Would you guys would you eat? She wouldn't show up. Oh, you guys had little treats. You have a little chit-chat, huh? Did you have a couple laughs? We spent the table. I've got kids.
SPEAKER_02:Was there was only one at the time, right? Jasper wasn't born yet, was he? It was just Kane.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, Kane was little. This week is like my K-pop fandom anniversary week. So the fact that we're talking about this and that visit to your house while I was driving back and forth was a very time of discovery for me. And I just had just gotten into K-pop, and that's all I listened to driving down these crazy back roads of North Carolina and like having this. Okay, so who got you into K-pop? Yeah, how did you start your journey there? Um, that's a lot of factors here because I knew from talking to Aunley that she was super into it, and I had a vague awareness of it. But I read a book about a K-pop star. That was what really piqued my interest about it, and that's how I took the back door into learning about the group that I am a big fan of, and then spread out. What group is that? I'm an army. No shade, I'm a stay.
SPEAKER_02:I've got my army guys over there. I was just talking about my BTS army over here. Oh, did you get those? That makes me so happy.
SPEAKER_01:I missed three of them. I'm not bitter. Hardcore, but I also love stray kids, part of your influence.
SPEAKER_02:Stray kids is the gateway to ATs, and ATs is the gateway to stray kids, and you'll never convince me.
SPEAKER_01:I think that's the that I had talked about earlier is a hardcore stay. So I keep up on them through her as well.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, now I might be getting this wrong, but you're friends with Bedhead and BL. Yes. Okay. This is what a small world we are in. Okay. So you know I love my BLs.
SPEAKER_01:And I have tried some because of you and her.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So on TikTok, there's a very select group of pretty well-known BL reactors. One of them is Bedhead and BL, another one is BL down under. They're all friends with each other. I didn't know this, but they read my books and they did a whole live about it one night. I messaged Bedhead and BL and I was like, thank you guys for talking about the books. Then her and I got to talking because she was basically sending me messages, DMing me as she read the books. She was the one on the call that hadn't read the books yet. I don't know why I agreed to let her basically send me her in the moment thoughts as she read, but it was some of the funniest shit. Because she would be so mad, she would just be like ranting at me for like four minutes. Then out of nowhere, I find out that you and her are actual friends. And I was like, that is so crazy. Because I found them through BL, they found me completely independently through just reading MM romance, and then you somehow also know them. Her fandom. This is a small community, but somehow is it, you know.
SPEAKER_01:She was very kind when my book came out and said lots of nice things about it to her followers. So I'm very grateful for that as well.
SPEAKER_02:And when did you decide to write Teach Me K-pop?
SPEAKER_00:Did you always like to write forever?
SPEAKER_01:And I did I did the whole fanfic thing back in the day. And I guess I felt too like even on Mulvainy Media that a lot of what I wrote there is basically short-form fanfic, like one shot, really whatever. And it just worked out nicely that Only was a fan of that.
SPEAKER_00:What's your original fanfic? Your original, you don't tell me which one it is, but what was your fandom?
SPEAKER_01:I will not admit to what it was, but my original fandom was Glee. How much more embarrassing can that be? Was it Jeffrey Dahmer? Late 90s boy band. That's all you get out of me. Okay. You can talk about this off the record. Real people. Just an RPF person.
SPEAKER_02:Listen, I'm Insung fanfic enthusiast, and I will not apologize for it. I am obsessed with that.
SPEAKER_00:I think it's fun, guys, and I think everyone should chill out.
SPEAKER_02:There are people who have done entire dissertations on why it's not creepy to read fanfiction about real people because you're basically putting those people in the role of somebody else.
SPEAKER_01:Like you're using them as actors in your head.
SPEAKER_02:Right. And people do that, and writers do that every day. You can go to my Pinterest page and see that like I have character inspo. Everybody does. It's Pinterest was based on it. I think it's completely normal to just kind of like throw somebody you know in that role. So if you were into K-pop and you were into boy bands, what finally just made you decide to like write it? Like as yourself.
SPEAKER_01:So I like I said, I I'd always written, but I had always wanted to write a book, but that always seemed like the big scary thing. Because I was like, I was a one-shot writer. Like I wrote things that were like small and neat and compact, and I'd never thought that I would ever actually commit to writing a book. But this was like right around that same time that I had come to see you, and all the stuff is in my head. And one day I was out driving and I got an idea that literally dropped into my head, fully formed. I knew the characters, I knew their whole story, and I freaked out so hard. I pulled into the Costco parking lot and called my bestie that I have referred to a couple times already, my stay friend, and I cried on the phone because I was so overwhelmed by the idea that I that this had just happened. And I'm like, what do I do with this? And she was like, I think it is. So I went home and I banged out a 22-page outline that had everything in there. And I was like, Oh my god, oh my god. Like it's all here. I have to do this. And I started twiddling on it a little bit. I'm also not an outliner, like me either.
SPEAKER_02:I'm a pantser all the way.
SPEAKER_01:As anybody who's read my plot holes knows, but I can't pants. I can't pants. I have to know that I can finish a whole thing from start to finish, but I'd never done like that level of this chapter, this chapter, this chapter. And I started twiddling around on it, and I'm like, I might be onto something here. But like I got hung up because I had some weird health things going on, and that really put a damper on my progress. But it also made me want to do it more. I remember having that conversation with you. I've started this thing and I'm thinking about doing it. I had to take a step back from Mulvaney Media too, because I just couldn't handle life and being creative.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_01:So we had that conversation, and then from then on, like, I I guess I was all I'm in it now. I'm gonna do it. And then I'd come ask you dumb questions and thank you for all the help that you gave me. And then I was like, okay, I have a book. Now, what do I do now?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and it's like a baby, right? It's yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:We were just talking about that in the last a lot of people didn't know.
SPEAKER_00:So it's such a vulnerable, it's such a vulnerable thing to do to write something creative. I'm not a creative. You're welcome, guys, because that what what I would write would be sick. It would be so sick. It canceled immediately. Canceled. You would hate it. Anyway, I truly believe that that's about how Helen Keller was a faker and a Nazi. Anyway, let's not get off track. We'll talk about it next week. The fandom of Helen Keller and her haters. If she has zero, I'm dead. We were talking about how it's such a vulnerable thing to do, and I know that as people that consume a lot of art, then switching to do it yourself. Did you have like a new appreciation when you read now, or does it put a different light on it?
SPEAKER_01:I guess I feel and this is terrible because I've always been a reader. I think I read less now than I've ever read in my life. Absolutely. Nina never reads.
SPEAKER_02:That's the only thing I read. I read fanfic because one, I can microdose it. Right, exactly. Like I can just read small little bits of it. But two, it doesn't bleed into my own writing. So I don't get it too in my head. When I read other people's writing, especially in this genre, I'm always like, oh, they did it better than me. Oh, that phrase was so good. I could never compete with that. And I just get too in my own head about it. And I just so I just don't write when I start to get too bogged down about like the details. But oh my god, I will tell you this. I don't know. I don't know if you read my post on Patreon about the tea debacle. Of course I did. I did not tell Shannon this. Huh. So, you know, I've had this massive head cold, this like sinus thing happening for like over a week now, and I've just been getting these major headaches. And so Friday night, I was like, oh, I'm gonna go to bed early. I'm gonna take something, and instead, I ended up taking, I have like these stress ease teas, they're called, and I took one called tension tamer, which was Ashwagon and Honeybush, and then the other one I took was called Calm. No, that's calm is the Ashwagonda. Uh, the Tension Tamer one is Valerian and Mint, I think, but I mixed the two together and I drank them, and it was about 8:30 at night, and I was like, I'm gonna knock myself out, be out by nine, so I can wake up at five or six and start working. The girls come in. Hey, we want to go downtown. Can you listen for the kids from 11 to 1? Sure. Okay, I guess. That's fine. I'll just work to stay awake. I bang out the epilogue for Ranger. I throw it up on Patreon. The girls, thank God, come home at 12:40. I am unconscious. I wake up at noon the next day. That's how hard this fucking tea hit me. Now, mind you, I had also been mainlining Dayquil and NyQuil. You should try vodka. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Have you heard this new thing? It's called Vodka. It's called booze. I'm a fan.
SPEAKER_02:I wake up to a message from Molly that says, Were you high when you wrote this? I got so mad, I was like, the fuck? What are you talking about? And then first off, I had a meltdown. I had a meltdown. I was like just texting her and she's like, I'm on the phone with my dad. I'll call you in a minute. Stop texting me. Because I'm like, do I need to rewrite the whole thing? Is it that bad? And then I went and read it. And my god. First off, the waxing poetic was off the charts. Like, my like it w it was ridiculous. Two, the fragments, the sentence fragments, they were everywhere. It was like I started a thought or finished a thought, but didn't get to the other side of the sentence. And then I literally had a whole paragraph about granola. Which valid. Like honestly. And everybody was like, oh, I loved it. It was so sweet. It was so romantic. Please don't change a word of it. And I'm looking at it, and Molly's looking at it. She's like, what happened here? She's like, you don't write like this. That's how nice your readers are, though. They're like, we love it. I even confessed all of this on Patreon. And they were all just like, what? I thought it was great. And I didn't know if I should feel good or bad about that. And I was like, I was like, I thought it was true, like, not great. And they thought it was great. So which of us is right? So I let Molly decide as my editor. She has to be. Like, this is where the Scorpio Virgo energy is perfection because I'm like, all the idea person, and she's all the make it happen person. Like she she's actually my boss. She's so type A. It's crazy. She has a spreadsheet that gives me anxiety. She'll send it to me, and I'm just like, oh no, nope. And I'll just explain.
SPEAKER_00:So she sends, I know she just send me the paragraph, Molly. She's a birth message. I'm like, what's happening, Molly? You're giving me anxiety. What did I forget?
SPEAKER_02:Paragraph text before I write and she just knocks those little ding ding ding-ding ding ding ding ding. Too much. Too much. It's fun. You're overwhelming me. Or I get the podcast. She'll voice record as she's walking to go pick up her daughter from school. And I get the five-minute podcast where I have to try to hear her over the wind tunnels. And she's picking up a British accent. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00:She's been in the UK so long that she has this crate hybrid accent that's just it's very like what's the old the transatlantic. Transatlantic. Yeah, it's getting very transatlantic. It's very Kennedy.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I love it. It's very posh, but not British, but not American. Do you remember what was the name of that the Netflix show where the girl Anna, whatever, she's like swindler girl that had the oh I almost said I almost said Anna Cleves. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Anna Delvey.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, Anna Delvey, yes. And the girl who played her, I loved her in Ozarks, but she did such a great job of her weird accent because everybody who was German was like, that is not a German accent. And everybody in the rest of the world was like, that's not an anything accent. Nobody talks like that except her. But she managed to fool everybody, so good on her, I guess. But it's one of those accents where it's like it was definitely forged between two very different accents. A Molly podcast.
SPEAKER_01:It's not, but she does deserve her own podcast. I know so much about Molly, and I tread in Jason. You're on the team. Yeah, you are on the team. I've never I've never seen Molly. I've never talked to Molly. Molly Molly is shockingly pretty.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, she's beautiful. Bitch. Yeah, she's really beautiful.
SPEAKER_02:Skinny. Does she have a hot husband too? She's got a ridiculously hot husband. He's in the British Royal Navy. And her kid is really cool. Wait, are we doxing Molly? Oh, I don't think so.
SPEAKER_00:It's not like I give her actual name. And her address. Let me guys. Well, you know what's funny about Molly? Her social security number. Let me tell it to you. No, she has a really hot husband, though.
SPEAKER_02:Her and I were on late one night. We had started with an actual business phone call, but it always devolves just like this is. Best of intentions. But she was lying on the bed and she has to lay on his side of the bed to keep the signal going because they live in the middle of BFE nowhere. And so he comes in and he just starts telling me these stories about the Navy. And I'm like, listen, I was married to a guy in the Navy. You don't have to tell me. I remember walking over bodies in the morning to get to the Not Dead ones.
SPEAKER_01:Not dead ones. Okay, given yeah, that I I did need some more context there. Thank you.
SPEAKER_00:You're welcome. I know. I'm her interpreter. That's really the only reason I'm here. Is so she doesn't get canceled. Oh yeah, they're not gonna cancel you over murdered.
SPEAKER_02:I'm the person who can murder somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue and get away with it.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, a Trump quote, cancel her! Wrap it up. Or did or did I get canceled before because uh the Helen Keller thing? Oh, I think I don't think we're making it out of this podcast alive. Well everyone go follow Mulvaney Media. She's the only one not saying controversial things and doxing their editors. My editor is lovely for the record. Oh yeah, okay. So did we talk about the process? Was it easy to navigate? Because you know so many people in the industry. It's not like you. Really? You are now.
SPEAKER_01:I mean I am now, but he's clearly my closest associate here. Yeah. But and I did ask her a lot of questions, and she gave me a lot of great information, and that was amazing. But I used an editor that I have been friends with for years now. Picked up my cover designer, was a through a friend through fandom. The cover is so good. I remember you told me that you liked the cover, and you asked. Okay, I'll tell you this. When you asked me for a copy of the book to put in your trophy case, I about cried. I need you to know that. I was so like, oh my god.
SPEAKER_02:It's amazing. My real Pokemon cards are people I con into writing books, and then well, she had a publishing company. I had a publishing company for three years. Yeah. Which is how I really learned. But yeah, you and then Remy Bishop also is a very close friend of mine, and she had the same trajectory where she started out as one of my readers, and then we became friends over K-pop because of our mutual love of stray kids, and then she started writing fiction. And I'm just like, it's crazy. There's just this pipeline, and I'm just so happy to see it because I love fandom spaces. I was always a Tumblr whore, I was always like an AO3 person, and it's like more and more people. I actually know somebody who's fairly famous that I'm definitely not gonna say her name because I'm sure she would never green light me telling people this. Her most popular series started out as Lord of the Rings fanfiction.
SPEAKER_01:Interesting. Fascinating the way people can take what was fanfic and literally translate it. Do you watch the like variety shows like Code and things like that? I used to watch straight kids.
SPEAKER_02:I used to watch that I get secondhand embarrassment. Really easy. And they go out of their way to make these guys look like complete doofuses, which I think is why we all have such a parasocial relationship with them. Because when they're on stage, they're like these beasts, and you're just like, oh my god, they're so hot. And then you see them in real life, and you're like, oh my god, they're so dorky. Like, what the hell? How are these the same fucking people? This kid who is one of the top rappers in all of Korea just tripped over his own feet walking from point A to point B, and it's just like, how is that real? But so I don't really watch them anymore. I used to watch them more in the beginning. I watched the survival show, which was gutting, and I will never be the same after that. And then I watched Kingdom, which was phenomenal, it was so good. That made me an A-Ts and Stray Kids fan watching Kingdom. It was really good. Basically, they brought all of these boy bands together, K-pop bands, and made them battle it out. But halfway through the competition, they kind of start mixing up the teams. But it was fun because A-Ts and Stray Kids in real life are actual besties. Like Changbin and Wu Young are actual friends, they'll text each other 25,000 times a day. So seeing them like compete against each other, but also have to sit next to each other, and like the Korea is all about, you know, hierarchy when it comes to older people, whatever, but Chungbin is his senior, so like he's like, you know, basically shit-talking Changbin, and like the Hongzhun's like, this is your senior, like we're in fucking public, you can't do that. Like, stop it. Like, so seeing stuff like that was like my favorite, and how stray kids are like pocket-sized compared to every other boy, every other group. They're so tiny. The tallest member of stray kids is 5'10. And then they're standing next to the boys where there's nobody under six foot. They look like Umpalumpus. They're so tiny.
SPEAKER_01:My question, the reason I got into this is because I find, especially on code, their editing is so bizarre when they cut those episodes off. I'm like, what's because they're cutting out stuff they don't want us to see. Oh, that's a whole other conversation. Yeah, but just, oh, come back next week. Yeah, I'll be there next week. But why did you cut it right there? And just on this, again, K-pop topic, I want you to know that I panicked a little bit this morning because one of my guys dropped a new campaign this morning, and my soul left my body a little bit. And I'm like, how am I supposed to go have a coherent conversation after this? How dare he do this morning? It wasn't him. What's a campaign? Brand ambassador, new ad campaign.
SPEAKER_00:He's like a commercial? Basically, yes. Like Bad Bunny.
SPEAKER_01:I have a thing for Spanish dudes. I love it. I need you to go on the new Calvin Kine campaign.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, wait. Is it the new Calvin Klein is your guy?
SPEAKER_01:Okay, technically he's my wrecker, but he's one of my boys. He's her bias record.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, he's my bias.
SPEAKER_01:Which I think is who was on the campaign? Junk Hoop. Oh, dude. Is this guy? That's Ming Yu, who's also one of my guys. Oh, okay. Go to the Calvin Klein page, the Calvin Klein Instagram.
SPEAKER_02:I remember when that photo dropped and everybody lost their minds because that was like he was shirtless. Yeah. We all know how they feel about nipples in Korea. Not even the men are allowed to have them.
SPEAKER_01:They don't like nipples? Did you say that there was a law that just got passed that they're not allowed to run shirtless in public anymore? That is insane. Yes, you need to watch the video on the motorcycle.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, dude, you should see W Korea just launched Leno's campaign and he looks right there standing on. Yes, he does. Yes. Yes, he does. Well, there's really no ugly K-pop starts. They don't allow it.
SPEAKER_01:But I have used the fact that there are like Mulvaney adjacent people that love K-pop to my advantage because I've definitely snuck some of my boys into posts on Mulvaney me.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, everybody should appreciate them. Listen, I've made Ever and Shiloh K-pop fans and Calliope so that I could sneak my love of K-pop into Thank you for that. Like I named all the chickens after Stray Kids. Calliope has chickens and they're all named after stray kids. That didn't come from me. That came from a real woman on TikTok who named all of her chickens after stray kids. And she has these videos where she's just like, Hajjan, put down the tomato. Bang Chan, stop eating that apple.
SPEAKER_01:And I had reading them, like I think it was like Bang Chen put down the avocado or something. I like I snorted so hard I almost choked. Genius.
SPEAKER_02:What were you saying, Shannon? Oh, you started to say something.
SPEAKER_00:I was looking at the Instagram of Calvin Klein of the boys. I don't know them.
SPEAKER_01:This is why photo cards get you. We call them boy paper. I have not actively sought out any photo cards. I have a binder of the ones that have come with things, but I have not started actively seeking them out. I don't seek them out, they come to me.
SPEAKER_02:So they come to me through albums to stay away from that.
SPEAKER_01:Well, are you planning on writing more books? I'm about 55% through book two. It's the series. About halfway through writing the first one, I was like, oh, I got more to tell here because I want to follow other members of the group. So yeah, once you have a group, you have to. So we'll get there's three books that are in total, like about halfway through the second one. The third one is totally planned out, already to Go there might be a novella at some point, like you're hearing it at some point.
SPEAKER_02:Do a novella anyway.
SPEAKER_01:The great way to build your newsletter is offering a newsletter because I don't know how I feel because you're too busy writing mine. I didn't know if we were talking about that or not. I don't care that people know that you write mine.
SPEAKER_02:I swear I know her when she created the account, but now we know each other really well.
SPEAKER_00:And yes, now she is on the payroll. Which and it's just easier to merge her in if anything happens to only come.
SPEAKER_01:Slide her right in. Plug and play. It's funny she sent me a video when I started doing the newsletter that she meant to just show me how to do a couple things on there. She was screen recording, but she forgot she was doing it, and I got almost like two hours of Only's live.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my god. Did you? Oh my god, that's a nightmare fuel for her. Did you know this?
SPEAKER_01:No, you did know this because you apologized. She's like, you're just gonna have to deal with how long this is, and my K-pop like backtrack music and whatever. Oh my god. Did you watch the whole thing? I did not watch I'm the person though. If you're gonna do something like that, I'm the person that you want to do it with because I'm not gonna do anything with it. I'm just gonna be like, oh, and then like Yeah, that's the nightmare feel for her. Hey, I know I know you're texting the wrong person number, and look, I haven't done anything creepy in however many years. So I feel like my record is pristine. I feel like she wouldn't even want to send it to me.
SPEAKER_00:I'm blood related to her. What was that? I said she wouldn't even want to send me an accidental two-hour video of her life, and we've lived together. I'm literally blood related to her.
SPEAKER_01:Well, at some point, I feel like we just have the group chat one night because this is great.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, sure. Maybe invite me over next time you guys get together. Keeping that in.
SPEAKER_01:Mean girls. Hey, I feel like I have no responsibility in this. I can't be inviting people to someone else's house, so this is all on her.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I know the code to the front door, baby. I'll bust in there like the Kool-Aid man, grab the babies, put them on my hip, make myself a sandwich, and go take a nap in her bed. Don't fuck around.
SPEAKER_02:Anytime somebody rings the doorbell and I know she's coming, I'm like, what is she doing?
unknown:Like what?
SPEAKER_00:Sometimes they put that fuck ass chain on, and then I feel stupid when I go to open the door and it's like d-dunk. And I'm like, oh, Shannon's coming over, better put the chain on.
SPEAKER_01:What'd you say? I was just saying, I need you to know that I still think about your couch. Um, oh my god. I cannot tell you the amount of times that I oh god, that was a good couch.
SPEAKER_00:I get all her leftovers, so don't compliment her about it because I kind of want her to get a hair up her ass to get rid of it. It's terrible. And she's way too lazy to sell it, even though she could get like probably a thousand dollars for it. She'll be like, Shannon, do you want this fuck ass$10,000 couch? And I'll be like, I guess. If I have to. Get the U-Haul! It's time. Go move.
SPEAKER_02:How long did the stupid king-size bed sit in this box before you came in? Actually, I brought it to the book.
SPEAKER_00:I can't even get him to fucking fix the towel rack. This is now, this is now a domestic podcast. Listen, this fuck ass man won't do shit kakadudu except for go to work and shit. I'm kidding. I'm kidding, I love you, Alex. Cut this apart out.
SPEAKER_02:Now we know why Alex was so depressed when he called earlier.
SPEAKER_01:I'm just sitting here and sip my literal tea, you don't mind me.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, well, we're tell people where to find you.
SPEAKER_02:Tell people how they can find your books and stuff.
SPEAKER_01:Uh well, you can find me on Instagram. I would love to have some more followers. Mulvaney Media is great, but also at Canyon King. And my books are on Amazon and KU for now. I will probably be hitting Ollie up here shortly to ask her some questions about selling off of Amazon. Because there's a you need a shop manager? Hey, I tried to pick you up earlier and I think you missed it. I was asking if I could have some space in your garage.
SPEAKER_00:My whole garage is only space. I'm garaged out.
SPEAKER_02:But once the unhinged boxes go out, actually get what's funny is if I even hint at getting a separate space, she has a meltdown. She does not want it to stay in her garage.
SPEAKER_00:Sometimes she tries to send people to help me, like with the boxes and stuff. And I'm like, get these people out of my house. I'm gonna do it. And I'll answer the emails about the wait times. Shannon at onlyjames.com.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. The real way, the real holdup is just Shannon wanting to micromanage and do it herself. It's not at all the fact that I just add things on at random at the very end when we're almost ready to ship. We need to add one more thing to the box. I'm like, they just want the box.
SPEAKER_00:I was so worried that everything I sent wasn't gonna be good enough that I had like her thing is it's not good enough. It's never good enough. She wants to add another thing. I cut her off. So if you ever think it's not good enough, that's me and Molly telling her, enough.
SPEAKER_02:And my accountant being like, Do you actually want to make a profit off these boxes?
SPEAKER_00:Or the star of the show here is they want the book.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I feel good that she gives me the thumbs up on so many things. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:Teach me K-pop, especially if you teach me K-pop K-pop.
SPEAKER_01:But you I do need to stress though, and I guess if there was one thing I was gonna do different about all of this, you do not have to know anything about K-pop to read this. You don't have to be a K-pop fan. And I feel like the title trips some people up.
SPEAKER_02:But people can listen to K-pop demon hunters and know nothing about K-pop. They can read Teach Me K-pop with knowing nothing about it.
SPEAKER_01:But I I feel like though, that's one of those things that if you're debating and you don't know. Maybe the premise is cute, but I don't really want to do the K-pop of it all. I literally explain everything you need to know. So you have the background.
SPEAKER_00:What is the premise? Is this uh male mail?
SPEAKER_01:Is this a um a high school librarian who does um language tutoring on the side? His bestie works for one of the K-pop companies and hooks him up with an idol to tutor, but he does not know that his student is an idol at the time. I love that.
SPEAKER_00:Kind of, yeah. It is kind of like a secret celebrity. Yeah, and he falls in love with them without knowing.
SPEAKER_01:He's definitely into him before he knows who he is. People come and tell me, though, like in the DMs and stuff, which is so much fun. I love that. That they're like, oh my gosh, I read this, or I've just gotten into K-pop through K-pop Demon Hunters or whatever. I feel some of these characters in the book that are trying to introduce our main guy to the world of K-pop and how you fall down the rabbit hole, and once you're in, that's it. Soul consumed, you're done.
SPEAKER_02:The song Your Idol is, like I said, it's a double for a reason because it's exactly what happens when you get into K-pop. They take your soul, isn't that all of a sudden?
SPEAKER_01:This is your life now.
SPEAKER_02:It really is.
SPEAKER_00:If you're looking for a new cult, ladies and gentlemen, well hey, one of the BTS.
SPEAKER_01:He had the hat and the suit, everything, just putting it out there.
SPEAKER_00:Right. There's a lot of costumes about to come out.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my god, I think Halloween is just gonna be all I saw.
SPEAKER_00:I just did a boobash at my kids' school. So many classes miniatures, so many Hunter scrolls. So honey. I thought Harper, my four-year-old, was gonna do it, but then she fell in love with this like gothic gown. She said she's a dead zombie mermaid princess. So, and I had to get fake blood, but I had to explain to her she actually can't wear that to school. The fake blood. I don't know what happened. It was a crazy switch up. It was a crazy switch up from K-pop to zombie princess mermaid. Is it's her vision. I trust a creative process.
SPEAKER_02:Shannon's afraid of her, so she's gonna get what she wants.
SPEAKER_00:She is a scary.
SPEAKER_02:She's a tiny mob boss. Yeah, and she has a Brooklyn accent for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yesterday. I will. Yesterday she showed me something and I said, Wow. And she goes, Why wouldn't I show you things? I don't like that. Don't say wow anymore when I show you stuff. Because you say it like wow. I don't like that. She's an Aquarius. Said, okay, girl, maybe step up your art game. Don't call CPS. Okay. Maybe actually impress me. Okay. Well, I can tell you she said something earlier with her little her little accent. Don't talk to me like that. I don't know where the accent comes from. Don't talk to me like that. You don't talk to me like that.
SPEAKER_01:She's ever been to Brooklyn.
SPEAKER_00:I have not. I've been to Manhattan. My dad's from New Jersey.
SPEAKER_02:Her father has never really interacted with Harper. Like, like it's not.
SPEAKER_00:No, we're no contact. We have no dads. Well, my kids have a dad. Our family podcast, our family groups is called No Daddies, Just Issues. That's right. No daddy's.
SPEAKER_01:Don't know if anybody else is gonna appreciate this, but it's been great for me.
SPEAKER_00:I just spew randomness on here and then I log out and then she has to deal with it all. But I I gotta ship her books and shit and answer the emails. So, like, what do you want?
SPEAKER_02:I have to write a whole chapter before uh 8 30 tonight. So rent is due, Bookie. Rent is due. All right, guys.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. See you next week. Thanks for having me on. Go read her book.
