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Bet Big Talk Loud Podcast with special guest Fred Davis

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All right, welcome back to the Bet Big Talk Loud Podcast for Friday, May 29th. I'm Chris Hodge. Got my main man JR with me. JR gonna give out a total for a win total in the NFL for free. We have Game 7 to speak about tomorrow between San Antonio and OKC. That should be a great game. The NBA gets its game seven.

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Shockingly. Can you believe it's in the Western Conference and not in the Eastern Conference?

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Well, yeah, I can believe it.

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Seriously, 11 straight by the Knicks. They've got almost two weeks' rest going into the finals, and they're gonna get a team, regardless if it's the Spurs or the Thunder, that are gonna be beat up for seven straight games.

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So I mean, well, you know, they end on Saturday, so they have a couple days off there. But look, we'll talk about it. We have a great show planned. Fred Davis from the Fan After Dark in Dallas will once again be on the show a little later. So we're excited about that. Yeah, they're doing a great job, man. They are doing a great job down there. Um I always try to start this podcast with a personal story. Okay, right? Always. So I've been having stomach issues, right? And it's nothing, nothing serious. Blood work came back perfect. All good. All good. You know, but I had to go to a doctor yesterday, Thursday, and my wife does not trust me at all. Doesn't trust the doctors or you? Me. Me. She did there's no trust here. There's no, and let me get to the story, right? So my wife books the appointment for me, and then she tells me she's coming with me. Like mommy. She's coming with me. And I'm not just coming with you, I'm coming in the room. I'm like, what the fuck, man? I mean, really? She's like, well, you're not gonna tell me the truth. You're going to lie to me. Okay? Because I've done this before. I've never told a doctor the truth ever in my life. And if I really never. I always lie.

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Why do you go to a doctor?

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Right. I shouldn't be there anyway.

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Why do you go to a doctor?

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I shouldn't be there anyway. I've never since the time I'm a little boy. You're going there for a hernia, you say your shoulder hurts. No, nothing hurts. I'm good. Nothing hurts. Nothing hurts. Anywho, my wife knows this about me. She knows I'm gonna lie. So she goes, Well, you know, if you go to the doctor's alone, you're gonna lie to the doctor, and then you're gonna come home and you're gonna lie to me about lying to the doctor. I've been caught in this before. We don't need to get into that. And then my wife hits me with an all-time line. An all-timer. My wife says to me, I would trust you more at a whorehouse. You would tell the pigs you're married. Use the word pigs. You would tell the pigs you're married. I trust you. You'll lie to a doctor. I don't trust you at a doctor's office. She came with me. She sat right behind me. The doctor walks in. He's looking at her. I'm like, Yeah, that's my wife. She's here because she thinks I'm gonna lie to you. He that's the reaction. He laughs and he goes, the doctor says this. He goes, you know, it's better off that she's here. Because you're just gonna fuck up whatever I tell you anyway. I'm gonna have to talk to her anyway. So I'm glad she's here.

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I gotta beg my wife to even bring me to the doctor. I'm like, I'm dying. Can you please drive me to the doctor? You'll be okay. Just let me know how it goes.

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My wife knows I am a liar.

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You know, and this is in terms of did you try lying while she was in there?

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No, because he he got me. The doctor got me. She he got me. I'm a liar, the doctors. I'll tell you, really, really.

SPEAKER_01

Did your doctor know you? Is it like a regular?

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No, it's the first time I ever saw him, and he knew I was full of shit. It was great, and he caught me because he played he pushed where it hurt and I couldn't not wince. He got me, you know? So um, before the internet really even began, before I even knew it was a thing, I was dealing with an injury in college, right? Okay, and I had known I was going to play in a game. I told my family, my girlfriend at the time, who was now my wife included, that I wasn't gonna play because I didn't feel like dealing with the bullshit, right? I didn't feel like them coming to the game. I didn't feel like dealing with it. So I just lied to them. I said, I'm not playing, I'm out. I did not know at the time that if you looked at a computer screen, the scores come up. I did not know this. And so so I tell everyone I'm not playing, and my wife, not trusting me even then, 27 years ago, looks at the computer and sees my name in the game. Oh no. Right. What what year is this? 90. That would be either 99 or 2000. It was just when it started, man. Wow. It was just when it started. And uh you know, so she's waiting for me. We were on the road one o'clock in the morning. She's waiting for me outside the entrance to the locker room. One o'clock in the morning. And I'm sitting there, and and yo, we pull up and yo, my whole team, like they my my wife used to make blueberry muffins. She did a really good job, right? They all just start laughing. They're like, You're fucking in trouble, bro.

SPEAKER_01

Uh but yo, listen, she cares. She cares. Well, she's the only one that's taking care of you because you're not taking care of you. We were just discussing the injury outside. You're like, yeah, whatever. I'm like, if it's a hernia, you're gonna get the surgery.

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But I'm not getting surgery. No, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_01

All right, good. Do what my father did. You have a you have a ball right there, like this, until you have to finally get it cut open. Yeah. I mean, listen, I'm not a doctor guy, you know that. I I think they killed my mother. I'm not a fan, right? But something's wrong. You gotta go actually tell the doctor what's wrong so that you don't drop dead right then and there from something incredibly stupid that could have been handled.

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There is more money in the treatment than there is in the cure.

SPEAKER_01

I'm not arguing. So the fuck, I want to dig off the script pad. I'm like, wait a second. No, tell me what's wrong.

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Yeah. My wife has no.

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But you should know what's wrong.

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Yeah.

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You're walking around thinking you had dimerticulitis or something.

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What the diverticulitis? That's what I said.

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Umler Chrysler.

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Um, so yeah, you know, my wife, trust me not.

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It's all fine. It's fine. Fucking guy calls me out on anything.

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Nah, it's all good. It's all good. Let's move on. Let's pay. Hey, let's do a podcast. Um, unless you're under a rock, I say it all the time. The the Terry Rogier stuff. I just This is mind-blowing. I can't wrap my head around it. I can't wrap my head around it. Taking 100K. Brad for 100,000.

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Okay, that that's like me and you handing each other 20 bucks to not play. I'm I I mean, when you're making, what is it, 85 million dollars?

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He was up to 85 million dollars in his in his career.

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Not to play?

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Oh well, so he was with Charlotte 2023. He agrees with someone I have to believe he's close to, right? Must be. To to um, you know, influence his performance in the game where his his under totals are gonna cash, and the total bet was for 258,000. So let's break this down from top to bottom. One, his year that year he was making about 21 million, which equates to about 262,000 the game. The guy bet 258,000, he agreed to pay Rogier $100,000 as the bribe. So the guy was only clearing $158,000. All right, now here. You're close enough to the guy to concoct this ridiculous scheme. So if I'm a pro athlete, and let's just say you need $160,000, and I made right the fucking check.

SPEAKER_01

Are you kidding me? You just lost all credibility. You're losing your career, you're losing your contract. This has cost you everything. Talk about the hand that you know, the bite in the hand that feeds you. This is one of the dumbest things that I've ever seen in the world. So you're a pro advocate. When they talk about the game, when we talk about them fixing games, we always say, Well, you can't get to the player, they make too much money. Oh, right. So you got to get to the people in the game that influence that make next to nothing, right? Are you are you fucking kidding me? I don't, I, I, it'll it'll never sink into any sense whatsoever. Which is when I look at it the other way and say, Well, who who's where'd the evidence come from? Feds? Am I supposed to believe everything that the feds say? You don't trust the feds. Maybe I shouldn't say this, they're gonna come and scrutinize me, but I mean the feds, the feds, yeah. Epstein hung himself too. Was that Palm Beats Pete running around?

SPEAKER_02

I mean, oh my, but I have a serious question. Like you're Terry Rogier, right? You have money, you I I assume you have friends, you have an agent. Where the fuck are all of these people like? Hey, Terry, you might not want to do this.

SPEAKER_01

Not a good idea. Like, like simple men. Like, is he just looking at him like, nah, no one's gonna he had a leg injury that was was on and off, on and off. Who cares? Because he thought that he would just be able to say, Oh, my leg's bothering me. Figure a quick hundred grand. Like I said, it's like a hundred dollars to me, even if it's not 20, it's a hundred bucks.

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But you're why do you need a quick 100 grand when you've already made 85 million in your career and you're coming up on your free agency where you're gonna make another 100 million? What the fuck? He's literally making more money in the half than he is on the payoff. I I just don't I don't understand why not just, hey, you need 160? Here you go. Here you go. Here's 200.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, if you know the guy well enough to concoct that. And you would think that the guy that came to him was in trouble? Like maybe it was a cousin, a family member. Listen, I got in deep with some bad guys. They told me I can get out if you just they they know you have an ongoing injury. Pull yourself out in the second hand. Dude, how much are you in trouble for? How much are you in trouble for? How much in trouble for? He didn't want to write the check. He took himself out of the room. So look what he does. And listen, that's the uh that would be my assumption. I'm not saying that's what happened.

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Uh uh agreed. We we are assuming, but uh, what I'm not assuming is basic math. Now I know in the world we live in, they teach this common core and bullshit math where two plus two somehow equals nine, and it doesn't make sense.

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But didn't you just hear the I I just heard something this morning that over 1,000 universities in this country now are accepting people based on not test grades. You don't need test grades anymore. They're just doing it on the if you can write something cool, like you your life is fucked up, your life sucks, and this is why, and now you're in, so they're putting them into engineering classes and they don't know that four plus four equals eight.

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And and the way way common core math has been taught, like I always did well in math. I had kids go through school.

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I'm like, which is why we're in this business.

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I'm like, what the fuck is that? Like, what what what is that? Right. Why why? So, like, like to me, like, where are this guy's math teachers? Like, yo, you're making 262,000 a game. If you just deducted once, no problem. What the fuck are you teaching at the University of Louisville where he went? Obviously, math, there's not a course there. Like, no, no friend, no agent, no anything comes over and says, Hey man, Terry, let's not do this.

SPEAKER_01

Obviously, he doesn't have any good influences in his life that he's talking to about this stuff because whether it be his mother, father, uncle, somebody would have stepped in and been, are you out of your mind and been like, yo, I'll write the check, please. The last thing we need is for you to get yourself kicked out of the NBA.

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100%.

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Which is what's gonna happen. What already happened. And hopefully, and he might go to jail. It's insane.

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He might go to jail for this. I I don't know.

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I I don't understand. I really hope he wasn't a disgusting spender and he put money away for his defense, his future, his family. Yeah, I don't want this guy, you know, having to have to start a go fund me to get commissary.

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It's a shame what's going on with a lot of these pro athletes. It's insane. They're so gifted athletically. Yes.

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Um that they're given everything and they have no education.

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They've been used their whole life. Yes. They've been used their whole life and they haven't been taught. I I loved, I love what the um who's the running back that just got drafted from Notre Dame? He went to, I believe, Arizona. Was it Love? Who is that? I alright. Like, this is this is the like I don't even know who got drafted from Notre Dame. We just talked about it three weeks ago. This kid did a press conference, right? And was like, nah, I live in the NIL. Like, I've got money. My whole contract, I'm putting it away. Genius, good for you.

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Somebody that actually has someone financially set good knows what he's doing. Good for you, right? I mean, knows what he's doing. Notre Dame education. Knows what he's doing.

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University of Louisville, which is famous for a bunch of strippers running around. Hey, it is what it is.

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Listen, no one, nobody, nobody taught me about compound interest in high, you know, when I went to school. Nobody. Oh, but I had I had people in my family.

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I you know, my grandfather used to say it all the time. He goes, You make a million, you spend a million in one, you're fucking broke. You're broke. Right. So you always get more money away. Right. Um one of the smartest men you ever knew. Yes. By the way, Jeremiah Love, Jeremiah Love. Jeremiah Love. Jeremiah, the name just came to me. Again, we don't script anything here, so sometimes it's you know off the top of our heads. Which, you know, I have been known to have a gaff or two. It happens. Um, so we mentioned the NBA gets its game seven. Yep. Uh among the two, probably the two best teams in the league, obviously, for the season, in terms of win totals and everything. Yep. The Knicks are playing insane basketball right now.

SPEAKER_01

How are they going to be coming off all that rest?

SPEAKER_02

Well, they did it already. I know. They did this is the second time. They're gonna have nine days off. So they did it already. And if you look at that first game against Cleveland, they they struggled in four and a half quarters of that game. Was that the game they were doing?

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They were down 22 and came back with seven and a half minutes left.

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But for OKC and San Antonio, like man, it's the funniest shit. Fans are just they just complain about everything, right? Like, so uh everyone OKC to say and get every call, right? That's all you hear. Oh, OKC gets every call, they flop this, they flop that. Same people that will tell you that Shea flops love LeBron James, who's the king of the flop.

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They are murdering Wemby, though. Murdering this guy. They are like I don't know how to get away with it. I don't understand. Like he's looking at the refs, he's getting elbowed like this. I'm watching the game, just coming off of picks, but bang, bang. And he's looking at the ref like, are you not gonna call it? And they're not calling it. They're leaving it alone. Well, they're not calling it for OKC.

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But last night, again, we're doing this podcast on a Friday. So last night, uh, game six, San Antonio goes to the line 25 times, OKC goes to the line 12 times. 12. Hawkins back to Dick Bovetta. When they just sent the Lakers to the free throw line just to get them 45 times or whatever it was. He was a huge big Lakers. Everyone knows this. Like the NBA, man. When you needed a game, Dick Bovetta was your guy. Everyone knows this. Don't even try to hide it. Everyone knows it. Let's just call him the whistle. I don't want to hear, like, I don't want to hear, oh, you got the lawyers. Hey, you gotta call. Nah, fuck you. Y'all know it. Um they did that. And then um, now last night, you know, the foul disparity was something. Everyone in the world's gonna be watching Game 7 on Saturday night. What's so hard? Just call a shit game. So what would you call them once?

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Ticky tack on this side, ticky tack on that side. You're letting them drive and punch and hit, let him punch and hit on the other side. What are we talking about? This is little league shit, man.

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So you know I am close to a uh an official. Okay. I do. And I do want to have this guy on the podcast. I want to have him on. Um, the legality of it, because he does ref college games. I certainly don't want him because you don't want to put his career in big talk loud, right? Um but I I blackout.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, right. Don't say anything. Loud, talk big talk loud.

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Um, but I you know, I text with him quite often, and and he is one of the best officials that I've had. And you and that that to me, I feel like that's a high compliment. It is. Because I hate you hate all refs. You hate him. You hate him. I know you do, right? This guy's a good ref. And I was texting him like you understand, we don't want to fight with you. We don't want to talk to you. We just want to coach our team, execute the game plan, and teach our guys if they did something wrong or right within the game. We don't want to have a conversation with a ref. I'm a head coach. I don't want to have a conversation with a ref. We have conversations with you because you fuck everything up.

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Are you let me ask you a question there? Are you one if you're down, let's say, and still got enough time to maybe come back? Close call. You know they got it right, but it went against your team. Do you argue it to get your guys up?

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No, I I don't I when when I know they got it right, and we we had this situation come up a couple weeks ago with this particular referee. Um, we score a touchdown on a double pass, but the first pass went forward. And he he he was the referee that had it. He he he told me it came, it was forward. He goes, Chris, forward. And I walked up to him, I said, you know, you're the one guy I'm not gonna argue with. If you tell me it's forward, it's forward. Or do you think it was forward or back? I thought it was close. When we go back and watch it on film, he had it right. He got it right. And and that's a And you didn't make an argument during the game. I walked right up to him, and and Donnie, you're watching this, so you know I walked right up to him and I said, You are the one guy I'm not gonna argue with. If you tell me that's the call, I believe you because he's called things for us that were right. He's called things against us for a right. I've had this guy for years. Um, when I was at JUCO, I had this guy for years. But isn't emotion a huge part of the game? It is, but I'm not, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna put my character out there. So, you know, it goes like this. If this is why LeBron James, I'm convinced, gets no respect from referees, right? Now he should because he's one of the greatest players of all time. Sure. But they've seen him flop for 15 years. They've seen him whine, jump up and down, stamp his feet, right, hold on. He cries wolf every other day. He's never been touched, you know, he got swiped and he never even got goes like this, you know. For everyone that can't see, I'm moving my head, right? Like, so they don't trust him. So if you argue everything, you're the boy that cried Wolf. I argue when I believe I am right. And the three main arguments I've been in, the the three bad arguments this year, I've been right about all three.

SPEAKER_01

I'm just saying sometimes it might benefit you to just get a little more emotion out. I mean, look, not in football. Baseball managers, well known for it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but not in football. Basketball, I I I've gotten a tech before when I've coached, and I didn't coach on any real level. This is you know, young, you know, you know, you know, high school and younger kids. Um, you get a couple techs just because you're trying to stick up for your team. Sure. Right? But a technical foul in basketball, one or two shots, and that's 15 yards in football. That that could change a game. You know? That could change a game. You get 15 yards in a bad spot, like your defense is getting off the field and you're you you get a 15-yard penalty or whatever, whatever the case may be. Yeah, man, and and one point in basketball is a whole lot different than seven points in football. Oh, yeah. It's a whole lot of things. You know, so it's just different. If I think I'm right in basketball, um, I'll get it, I'll get it. If I think I'm right in football, I'll get into it with them. But if I if I know I'm not right or I think they got, I won't, I won't say anything. I really don't want to argue with them. I don't want to argue with them.

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I don't know. I think in the moment I would definitely get myself rolling.

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I mean, one guy I just said, get the fuck away from me.

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I'm like Bill Coward with the spit going and everything. Yeah, I'm like I'd be like, throw me out under my breath. Nah, nah.

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Was that Gene Hackman in uh Hooges? Right. Kick me out of the game. Kick me out of the game. You're putting me on. Um, so OKC tomorrow night, minus three and a half. Right now, again, doing a podcast on Friday. Total looks like two twelve and a half. There's something interesting, and we're gonna talk about this when we do Sports Investors Daily tomorrow, Saturday morning. Right now, on certain sports books, OKC is plus 130 to win the NBA title. San Antonio, I believe, is plus 240. And the reason why San Antonio is lower than the Knicks right now is because they have to play one more game. But both of those teams, whoever wins, is going to be the favorite over the Knicks unless there's a major injury. Correct. Right? So if you think OKC is gonna win tomorrow night, like if you think they're going to win the game, put a thousand on them at plus one thirty, and now you got them at plus one thirty in a series, they're gonna be minus two sixty. Easily.

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So to us, that that's a fairly you know intelligent bet. Yes.

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Yeah, which is what we try to do.

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Or even if you just think that the Western Conference is going to win the whole thing no matter who wins, whether it's San Antonio, bet both of them.

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Bet both of them.

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Bet both of them.

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But you now you're only getting plus 130 with OKC, right? And you're getting plus 240. 240. Yeah, with San Antonio.

SPEAKER_01

If San Antonio plays the Knicks, they're not going to be a 240 dog.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so it you could it now you gotta hope the Western Conference wins, like you just said. Like the Western Conference. But but if you bet OKC a plus 130 for a thousand, right? If you do that right now, right? And let's say OKC wins game seven. We're not saying they're going to or they're not going to, but let's say they do. Now you got them at plus one thirty. Now you can come back and put a thousand on the Knicks, which is probably gonna be around plus two twenty. You got a hedge and you got uh so you're guaranteed to either make three hundred or you're guaranteed to make, let's see, you're guaranteed to make 14? Yes, 13 or 1400. Yeah, you're guaranteed to make that, depending on what you're line.

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So am I making 300 or 14? That's your only question.

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You have no risk.

SPEAKER_01

That's almost like me this morning on my option on Dell. I don't care. I know. Yeah, the option on Dell. They went up over 100 points overnight. Yeah. I know you're not we're not gonna talk stocks, but that was a big one. That was that was a nice score.

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I feel like they just manipulate stuff, like they manipulate everything else.

SPEAKER_01

I don't give a shit as long as it's to my favor. Got my buddy's portfolio up 85% last year. 85%.

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It's insane, dude. That works. It's insane. So, guys, um, you know, we're looking at game seven tomorrow. Okay, again, keep it here. We're gonna have Fred Davis from the Fan After Dark, K R L D in Dallas, 105.3, was doing a great job. They're the number one nighttime show. Unreal. Yeah, they're the number one nighttime show. I can tell Fred's incredible. He's really good. Yeah, I can't wait to have him. Yeah, awesome. Him and I. We have we have we got some arguments to go over. Got some arguments to go over, which we'll do. Um, you are doing something really special. So from every Friday from today right through to the start of the NFL season, you are going to be giving out a win total. I am. Um you're gonna do one a week. Uh, who do you got lined up for the first P? First one out here.

SPEAKER_01

Before we walked in here, I even said I was like, there's so many good over-unders. And and you know, I mean there's the odds speak volumes, right? And and one of the ones that stick out to me, and we'll we'll actually we'll use that one a different day, the one that I even said to you before I walked in here. But how about San Francisco? 10 and a half over under. Over plus 125 under minus 145. They're gonna be a much better team next year. And they're gonna be, in my opinion, in the NFC team to be reckoned with. Easily 11 wins go over. I take them right now because I think that number's gonna change, even though uh you're getting plus one twenty-five. I believe it'll go to even money by the time you get to regular season. Minus 145 in the under is a big mistake by the books get all over San Francisco. Over 10 and a half. And there's a bunch more than the other.

SPEAKER_02

So we we had um we used them over last year. We did. That was one of our overs that we used last year. Because last year, remember the year the schedule was terrible. And the year before, when they have a terrible year, they were just injured. They had a bunch of injuries. So the only thing with San Francisco, right, is I I maybe, maybe the north, maybe the NFC North, because Arizona sucks. But I believe that that that division with San Francisco, Seattle, and the Rams, you know, is that is that a tougher division in Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, and Green Bay? Because those to me are the two toughest divisions in football.

SPEAKER_01

That's another one I was looking at too. Chicago. I mean, the the over-under on them is pretty pretty low considering what they've been able to do. I thought I thought it was a little lower than any other.

SPEAKER_02

I think Chicago's my dark horse to come out of the NFC. That's what I think. I don't know if that's a dark horse.

SPEAKER_01

I was thinking the same thing the way that they played last year, but their over-under is nine and a half. Plus a hundred on the over, minus one twenty on the under.

SPEAKER_02

A lot of it comes to schedule. Yeah. A lot of it comes to the schedule.

SPEAKER_01

And I think that's part of the reason why you know me using the over might, and that's why they're plus 125, because of they got to play Seattle twice. They got right. I mean, it's going to be a tough schedule for them. But to me, a healthy San Francisco, they're winning 11-12 games.

SPEAKER_02

And look, I I believe that it Chicago's going to be around. I'm not sold on the NFC East right now. I think Philadelphia's going to take a step back. I think Dallas.

SPEAKER_01

New England and Seattle both at uh which they both did the Super Bowl this year. 10 and a half.

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10 and a half. Um, I think, well, we're on the NFC right now, so I think the NFC East is going to take a step back, or I you can't trust the Giants or Washington. Um forget the NFC South. I think Carolina will be better, but whatever. I think the Saints will be better, but whatever.

SPEAKER_01

You know, I think the Ram Rams and Ravens are the only two at 11 and a half.

SPEAKER_02

Got you. I think the uh Super Bowl representative out of the NFC is either going to come from the NFC West or the NFC North. Nah, that's one of eight teams. Chris, what are you giving us? You got 25% of the league. But I do believe that either the West or the North will represent the NFC in the Super Bowl. And uh next week we'll talk about the AFC. So uh be sure to keep it right here. We got Fred Davis from the Fan After Dark coming on. My main man. Ahead and close. Be safe, have fun, and let's go out there and make some money. Keep it right here for Fred Davis. All right, back here on the BetMig Talk Loud podcast. I always love when I have Fred Davis on. K R L D, the Fan After Dark, the number one rated nighttime show in the DFW, right? My boy. My boy Fred Davis is doing a good job. Couldn't even pay me enough respect, though. He has to come on with a Kansas t-shirt. The Knicks are in the finals, and I got a guy with a Kansas t-shirt on. What's going on with that?

SPEAKER_00

Well, let's uh let's not pretend that there isn't a Jayhawk on the Knicks roster, okay? Kevin McCullough, uh, by the way, is on your is on your Knicks roster. I didn't even know that. I'm from here. Exactly. So shame on you. Shame on you, bandwagon Knicks fan. Um, I mean, I might as well be talking to Timothy Chalamet for crying out loud. Um, but no, look, I mean, look, you know what you're gonna get from me though, okay? I mean, look, if anybody that's listened to me, whether it's been on this podcast or whether it's been in Houston, Dallas, or all points in between, the one thing you know about me, I'm gonna represent my Chiefs, I'm gonna represent my Jayhawks, and everything else is fair game.

SPEAKER_02

All right, fair enough. Now, you do a great job down in Dallas, and I'm not trying to be the dead horse. I am not. You and I spoke about this yesterday, right? We did. We did. In the hit, I'm going with the history of the world. Now, I don't know how violent you can be, because you're employed down there, right? But in the history of the world, I don't think we will ever see an organization have a talent like Luka Doncic, another talent like Jalen Brunson, that you got in the same draft and fuck it up and get like the least amount that you could possibly get back, than what Harrison and the Dallas Mavericks did. I don't think we'll ever see a worse deal than what they got back for those two guys.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, when you think about it, it it just on its surface. I mean, when you throw in the Jalen Brunson part of it, and you know, Brunson's been gone from the bath for a few years now and left via free agency. So sometimes that isn't viewed through the same lens as uh obviously the Luka Doncic trade, which was just so one-sided that as you alluded to, I mean, it it's widely considered the worst trade in the history of professional sports. But, you know, the thing about Jalen Brunson is this, and again, I am not in any way, shape, or form making any excuses for the Dallas Mavericks, but they offered him a deal the year before his final year in Dallas, right? And so they offered him that a deal, wasn't anywhere in the same realm of what he got for with the Knicks. And even after uh that deal, after he signed that deal with the Knicks, I mean, nobody was was offering him anything like that. And you and I talked about it yesterday as you alluded to, that uh, you know, there were some people who thought that was a severe overpay at the time. And again, we can roast the the Mavs for plenty, and you would not be wrong in any way for doing so. But nobody outside of the Brunson family thought that the that that Jalen Brunson was going to turn into what he's turned into, right? So I I I I understand the on the surface, it's again, it's two back-to-back, bone-headed moves. But you know, let's not pretend like the Mavs didn't go to the Western Conference Finals the very next season without, or you know, the hell the finals uh without Jalen Brunson, right? So again, and if and if you don't trade Luka Doncic, I don't know that we're looking at the the the Jalen Brunson move quite as as as uh critically. Not to mention his dad was already with the Knicks. Uh his his Leon Rose, he had a connection to. So, you know, it was pretty much shaping up that unless the Mavs made some off-the-wall incredible move, and you pointed out too, you could have gone ahead and just traded him at the uh at the deadline. But if you're the Mavericks, you're not expecting that you're thinking that you're gonna have a competitive enough offer to match, and you're not thinking, well, the Knicks are gonna blow them out of the water with a deal, right? Because at the time it was an overpay. And and so it was, you know, and you had to look at it too from the standpoint of, you know, did you want to go into the second apron? You also had to make some other moves. And I mean, you know, six foot two point guards, lefties, all right, aren't I mean, I'm not gonna say they're a dime a dozen, but you know, it's not like we're looking at the pantheon of NBA greats and saying to ourselves, uh, get me one of those.

SPEAKER_02

Well, let me ask you this. I got two questions. Two-prong question, right? So they as you alluded to, they go to the NBA finals, and then the next year, and I'm sure you know this, they start off 19 and 10. And they played a Christmas Day game, which I believe was against Minnesota, and Luca gets hurt. It was the Timberwolves, yeah. So did they so they went like 7 and 12 after he got hurt and then they traded him? Did Dallas panic? Because they're 19 and 10 with him. Did they panic? Well, they didn't no, they didn't panic.

SPEAKER_00

They I I mean, do you want my you do you want my Fred Davis tinfoil hat version, or do you want the what Nico Harrison has told everybody version? Nico Harrison basically came out and said he didn't think that uh Luca was physically going to be able to continue to hold up, which is what he told the Dallas community. Okay, that's what he sold um uh Patrick Dumano, the owner of the of the Mavericks. So he sold them on all this, right? And of course, now that Jason Kidd's been fired, uh Rumblings and you know Mark Cuban's come out. Uh, I think Shams reported this that uh Jason Kidd knew that this trade was coming down and didn't do anything to stop it. So I think it's easy to point fingers at Jason Kidd now. I I think it's because and and look, you're never gonna get me to convince, uh convince me to Mark Cuban, um, who has told a different story every time he's had a microphone put in his face ever since the Luca trade was done, that I'm going to believe anything he says. I think it's real simple, and I told you this yesterday. Number one, for a guy that's a billionaire, and look, we all know he's a smart guy, uh, shrewd businessman, kudos to him. But on this in the same vein, you're going to tell me, Mark Cuban, that you sold to a a Las Vegas casino group that's as cutthroat, and and again, you didn't do your due diligence on Miriam Adelson and didn't sign anything that uh, you know, you you told everybody the day that that trade or that that that uh you know the whole thing went down was that the only thing changes is your bank account. Well, no, no, a lot more changed. I mean, they they pretty much 86'd him out of there not long after that whole thing went down. So again, we're talking about we're talking about you know, first world problems, rich people problems, all right. That you and I are, you know, we're trying to get there, but we're not quite there yet. And and so I just I have a hard time believing anything that Mark Cuban says. So, real quick, just to put a punctuation on this, you can't tell me until otherwise proven different that the NBA didn't step in, get with the DeMonts, get with Nico Harrison, get with the Lakers, make this trade, facilitate this trade. All right, and then when you look at the dominoes that fell after this trade took place, Mavericks get Cooper Flagged, Lakers get bought out, Nico gets fired, okay? And now all of a sudden here we are back in the mix of everything. It's just, it's, it's, it's too again, I don't know about you, Chris, but I don't believe in coincidences. And too many coincidences just happen to come into play immediately after that trade went down.

SPEAKER_02

All right, so now here's the second part of that question, right? Now this is an if. Now this is a big if, right? But if the Knicks go and win this title, right? And if Jalen Bronson is the finals MVP, does that just rip another, like, like does that just destroy the fans down in Dallas or you guys don't even care? You don't care about it right now?

SPEAKER_00

No, because like I said, you'd already gone to the finals. And and and again, it's not like you didn't make him an offer, right? You made him an offer. The Knicks just made a bigger one. And the reality was this, okay? And and this is what, and you look, you can appreciate this, okay? If if I told you or or or your kids or whatever, like, hey, look, you get a chance, I'm gonna pay you more money and you get to play with your dad. I mean, you're done. I mean, that's a wrap. I mean, what I mean look, we look at uh okay, I mean, think about it. And just I mean, when you look at when you look at look at how Tiger fell apart after his dad died. Yep. Okay. Um, you know, much has been made about you know Pat Mahomes and the relationship with his dad. Okay. Uh guess what? The the you know, they lose the Super Bowl uh to Philly. Now, granted, you know, his dad wasn't blocking that week, but you know, his dad goes out and gets a DUI that week, and Mahomes turns around and has one of the worst games of his life. Okay. Guys in sports, you know, MJ, his dad dies. This fool has to leave uh basketball for a year and a half. Now, it didn't, you know, it hurts that he didn't pay the Russians, but that's another story for another time. But my point in all that is this, okay. My point in all that is this, okay. You know this, you know, you got sons, I've got a son. Could you, I mean, look, we've done it at a a, you know, uh a rec level, kids league, whatever. Imagine doing it at the professional level. Yep. Okay, where if you're Jalen Brunson, you play for your dad. Crazy. I mean, you look, Dallas could have offered him half the fucking AAC. It wouldn't have mattered. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's your dad. So you guys were losing to that level.

SPEAKER_02

You guys were losing them anyway, so you don't really much care about it.

SPEAKER_00

I know, and I guess I'm saying, I look taking nothing away from the national media, because look, you get it's it's like it's like when you cover the Yankees, okay? You covering the Yankees is different than what the rest of us out in the rest of the world see. Agreed. Okay, it's just the local coverage is always going to be different because national media loves to kind of you know uh uh uh nitpick and take, you know, what's gonna go viral. I mean, look, I do it with the with the cowboys all the time. Half the stories that go national don't even are are not even front page stories. You guys don't understand DFW when it comes to the Mavericks, or excuse me, when it comes to the Cowboys. So uh the Jalen Brunson thing, to your point, look, it's a it's a fun story right now because I think he can. I and again, I'm just real quick, I think they can beat uh OKC or San Antonio. But that that being said, it's a fun story and it's a great piggyback. And oh, by the way, oh by the way, just last thing, even though I've even though I've I've maintained this uh the the the conspiracy when it comes to the NBA Luca, Nico, maybe Nico knew something if he's really being honest about how he doesn't trust Lucas because last I checked, Luca you know, pulled his hammy. We didn't see him in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_02

We did not see him in the playoffs, but he was he was in the midst of balling beforehand. So all right, let's let's change, let's go over some football. Uh we're a little bit away from college football, but it's a and the reason why I bring this up because you down in Texas. I love the story that came out between Texas Tech and Texas in college football. Did you see this? Where Sarkesian said, if I had Texas Tech schedule, I can play with my twos and threes, and I would I would make it to the CFP. I think he actually said I'd go undefeated. Then the Texas Tech guys they come out and they're like, you know what? We'll we'll play in ACU, we'll play in Texas State in week one, we'll buy them out and play you in Dallas. I love that. Like, because now it's like, hey, Texas has Ohio State in week two, yeah, but they just basically called you a bluff and they called it in a big way.

SPEAKER_00

Well, when you've got uh what's our boy's name, Cody Campbell. The uh he's he's he's this generation's T-Boon Pickens. And the difference is that now with NIL, you don't have to be sneaky, and not everything has to be, you know, $100 handshakes and under the cloak of darkness, and uh, you know, we're dropping off duffel bags in a in an alley somewhere, right? I mean, that's the that's the college football and and and world you and I grew up in. Whereas now Cody Campbell can can say it with his chest and say, you know what? Yeah, you okay, y'all want to talk shit? All right, fuck it. Come on. Let's show week one. And there is that flexibility now. So, you know, I look, I appreciate it. Um and it's fun for us, but at the same time, like something is going to have to give. Like, I don't understand or see how this level of spending is sustainable. And I'd love to know, and I and you've seen kind of reports here and there, but I'd love to know what the ROI is. If you and I are big time donors, you know, what do you if you if you're on a professional sports team, you know what the money is that you get back, right? You know what that money looks like. Okay, if I'm just a booster, how does I mean how do I how what's my how do you get that ROI?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, uh listen, it's probably just donations. You know, if you look at let's go to power four, you know, and obviously football is a little bit different than basketball because there's so many more teams in basketball. But you have college football teams, college basketball teams funding the entire sports department, right? Of everything, women's volleyball, like men's basketball and men's football pays for all of this. So to your point, like if it's paying for all of that, how the hell are you paying your investors back if they're investors? They might just be, you know, people who donate.

SPEAKER_00

Well, and that and that's what I'm saying. And so if if I mean if it's just donations, but here's the thing, how those I mean, those donations get more and more expensive every year, right? And so I guess my question would be, you know, if I'm writing a if I'm if I'm scribbling a big check every year, okay, cool, we won a title. All right, well, do I need to keep spending? I mean, how many more titles do I need to fulfill my ego and say, all right, great, we're the best team? I mean, if you're Indiana, if if you're an Indiana football fan, you can die tomorrow. Yes. Okay, like you can die tomorrow and and be fine because you did you saw something that no one in the history of mankind, I mean, hell, I don't even think it's I think it's written in the Bible somewhere, thou shalt not let Indiana win a national championship. Um you know, I get in trouble all the time on KU uh Twitters because everybody's like, oh, we you know, we're our AD is doing such a great job. I said, really? We we've spent almost a billion dollars on a five and seven football team. I mean, we'll see a great job. Yeah, we've got Bill Self, you know, uh uh scrounging for change in a in a couch cushion. By the way, we did get Taron Stokes. I don't know if the last time I was on, we talked about that, but just throwing that out there for all of our college. Any college basketball fans you got out there? I look, I know you you know I don't know what the odds are right now, but uh go ahead, slam, slam KU in the over in 2026, 2027. Just take that right now. It's a Fred Davis guarantee. Free of charge, KU basketball bucket. You heard it here first.

SPEAKER_02

I love it. You know, this is my problem with the life we live right now, and and we do not do politics on this show, right? But the politicians, everyone in sports, I just wish someone would come out and say, we are full of shit. I just wish everyone gets paid.

SPEAKER_00

Are you guys taking much action on the street of whore moves? Or what's the can I give it on that? What's the likelihood of an Iranian peace deal? What I want to get on that too. Can I give it on that?

SPEAKER_02

Let's just say, so now you have this whole problem in college sports, right? Where you know, obviously the athletes are getting paid. And I I am a firm believer the athletes should get paid. Now, what they should get paid, we we negotiate, and I'm not that's above my pay grade. But the NCAA tournament just expanded. Okay. They're trying to get the CFP from 12 to 24. And the only reason they are trying to, well, they did this and they're trying to do the other is because of money. Just come out and say it. Well, if we have more CFP games, we'll make more billions. If we have more games in the NCA tournament, we'll make more billions. But you can't say that because if you say it, then the players are gonna be like, Well, we want more of it, we want more money. We're the reason why you guys are be able to do this. And I just wish that someone would put their hand up and say, you know what, we're full of shit, we're doing it for money.

SPEAKER_00

Just come out and say it. So you know, some of the boosters have said that. Now, to your point, administrators. You've seen someone do that. No, Cody Campbell said it. Uh, the Texas Tech guy has said it. He's been very you'll get your boosters to say it. Like, okay, because they don't care. They're the ones writing the checks. Like, they're, you know, I mean, they're they don't mind saying the quiet part out loud, especially when you're the one writing the check for a gazillion dollars. You absolutely can say, hey, this is why I'm writing this check for you know, it's about the money. Um, I think it's once you because to your point, you don't want to seem disingenuous. Okay, like we're past the whole student athlete part. Yep. When it well, let's put it this way. We're past the student athlete part when it's anything but football and basketball.

SPEAKER_02

Agreed. Yep.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, if you're in rowing, of course you're gonna. I mean, what for the education, you know, like we we we get it lacrosse, field hockey, you know, baseball, whatever. Like we get it. You're doing this because you, you know, you love the sport, but it's also paying for your education, and and and and I get that and I respect that. But um it's it's um I I just feel like there's gonna be a reckoning, and I'd like to think that there's smart enough people to figure this out, but I I think something something catastrophic is going to have to happen financially for some for us to finally wake up.

SPEAKER_02

I don't I don't think I'm actually uh I don't think it's ever gonna get figured out. I think it's I think it's gonna get worse, and I think the catastrophe that you just spoke of is actually gonna make it worse. I don't think it's gonna fix it. I I you once you went to the city. I mean, look, you're probably not wrong.

SPEAKER_00

I'm not sure if you're wrong about that, but I get what you're saying. I mean, somebody's gonna here to me, somebody's athletic department is gonna close. Or you know, insolvency or whatever. And that's that's I mean, I want to say I saw something the other day that like Clems, Clemson, North Carolina, and there was one other athletic department. They're billion dollars, they're billions of dollars in debt. Yeah. Like the Clemson, I want to say the Clemson athletic department's like a mil a billion and a half dollars in debt.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I mean, and look, if that happens, so if they c let's say Clemson closed, and you and I are not insinuating that that's gonna happen, but let's just say they're a name, and let's just say that happens. I I don't think anyone cares. I just think they go right to another school and it just becomes a good thing.

SPEAKER_00

I think, well, but I think at that because here's the problem though. Oh, there's a problem. But but here's the problem. You still have to have you still have to have a product, right? And and so I guess the question at that point is what what what happens? Does it because if if Clemson has an issue, then you know there's a s there's a lot of other schools that are gonna have issues with it, right? And so at that point, you know, is there a bank? Bailout of some kind similar to it. There's gonna have to be a restructuring. I think what ultimately happens, to your point, is you will see the college football will become just a miniature version of the NFL.

SPEAKER_02

So, and to your point to that, I was just thinking this. I think within 10 years, we're just gonna see the SEC and the Big Ten in college football. And then there's gonna be everyone else. And whatever conference they call that or whatever they put them in, I just think it's gonna go to the halves, the SEC and the Big Ten. And no one's gonna care about the Pac-2 or the Pac-13 or whatever the fuck they're calling themselves now. It's still the Pac-12, and the big and the ACC forget in college football. Not college. I'm just talking about college football. I think that's what it's gonna come down to. Just the SEC and the Big Ten.

SPEAKER_00

I think you're still gonna want to have football, though, because there's been two.

SPEAKER_02

It'll be those two. And then every other conference will play their own. Almost like the Premier League. Almost like you take those 20 teams and there's relegation. I honestly feel like it's a good thing. You know what?

SPEAKER_00

That's not here's the thing. You might be onto something in the stand from the standpoint of that's not necessarily a bad model. It might not be. Okay, like college, college football, to your point, could end up backing backing itself into a situation that actually turns out to benefit it more than what we realize. It might because you know, you and I have talked about this. There's too many people that want to play football. The transfer portal has, I mean, uh, again, and I and you know, I do I do a radio show or a uh a high school football and and college football show here in Texas, and one of the things we do each week is we talk to a different coach. Because as you know, there's I mean, you got in you know, you got division two, yeah, yeah, you got FCS schools, you got I mean, it's Texas. We got the whole football everything in hell, you got blind and deaf kids playing for Christ's sake. Um, seriously, it's insane. Um they never hear the whistle.

SPEAKER_02

Um, but but yeah, you should be on the Kevin Hart roast with that one. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00

Oh God. These kids have to go somewhere, right? They have to go somewhere to play football. And so, yeah, you're right. I mean, there's gonna be whether it's Juke, JUCO, D2, FCS, whatever, you know, it all trickles down. Although I saw some, I don't know if you saw this, where like 69% of kids that left D2 that answered the that left the transfer portal out of D2, couldn't find homes, just said, Fuck it, I'm double playing football.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I mean, sometimes it happens.

SPEAKER_00

69%, man.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's crazy. Well, everyone goes in the portal because of the money right now. Everyone thinks they can get a contract. Um, I think it was Deion Sanders who said it. He was like a third stringer, a walk-on thinks he deserves 50,000.

SPEAKER_00

That's and you're exactly right about that. Like these kids are tripping. Dion better. I'll tell you what, Dion is tripping. Have you said that video of his football team coming out for like spring practice a few weeks ago or a month ago? My God. I listen and I don't and I don't mean that in a good way. Like that team.

SPEAKER_02

I am I'm a fan of Dion Sanders.

SPEAKER_00

I've said I like Dion too, but I don't I don't I like Dion the player and I like Dion the commentator, Dion the coach.

SPEAKER_02

So I'm gonna give you a different pushback to that, right? And I've said this on this podcast. I've said numerous times that if I had sons that played college football, I would like for them to play for a guy like Deion Sanders. Because I believe Dion is trying to teach the right message in terms of be respectful, go to class, get you education. I believe Dion's trying to teach that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Where we are, unfortunately, in this day and age of our world, you have to win. No one gives a fuck about that other shit. And we're doing a disservice to the kids. Fred, I've said this on this podcast for six months now. I I think Dion's doing a good job in trying to raise these young men to become men, but I think he's doing a poor job in terms of uh you know producing winning winning football on the field.

SPEAKER_00

But yeah, I I think he's great at doing that when he's got kids that he likes. I mean, he's great at doing it when his I mean, look, I think to your point. Look, he's great at lifting up kids when his son's the quarterback and Travis Hunter is is a Heisman candidate. I think outside of that, I mean, they're one of the worst coach teams in football. He doesn't recruit, he doesn't travel anywhere. He expects everybody to come to him like that's a problem. No, I I don't, I mean, uh one more bad year.

SPEAKER_02

One more bad year. He if he has another year like he had last year, there's this man, there's gonna be surprised.

SPEAKER_00

And I mean, you've already heard the kid that went from the the the lineman who went from Colorado to LSU. Yep, and he's already said that just the way that they do business there uh is so much more different. It's just you know, there's a lot more organization and structure to Dion. Dion's just going off the fact that he's Dion. Yep. I mean, the fact that he brought in Warren Sapp as one of his coaches told me all I need to know. Warren Sapp's a knucklehead. Period in the story. I was Warren Sapp is a fucking knucklehead. Period.

SPEAKER_02

All right, so no segue over to this one, but I did want to bring it up while I have you because I know you know you are a Texas Rangers guy. I'm a New York Yankees guy.

SPEAKER_00

Unfortunately, man.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, well, listen, a lot of baseball left. Uh this sound like the Met fans. Yeah, but they can't hit.

SPEAKER_00

I'm sorry. This is going on three years, but they just can't hit it. So Chris Young, I'm sorry. I don't get me started.

SPEAKER_02

So I believe I said this to you. I I am not a salary cap person. I I I do not like the salary cap in any aspect of life. Um, you're doing a great job with your radio show. Uh you're bringing ratings in, and I think it would be completely unfair for someone to say, well, we can, you're only no matter how good you do, you're only getting X. I hate that. Now I know sports are a little different, right? But I gotta be honest, I did not completely dislike the um proposal for the MLB. I did not completely dislike it. I'll tell you why, and then you can tell me you know what you think. The floor would be 171 million, or 100 the floor would be 171, right? 171 million. And right now there's 12 teams below that. So 12 teams would have to spend more money. The the uh the top would be 245 million, give or take, and only six teams are above that. So it's not like they said, hey, they they gave it a salary cap, which was terrible. Like they made it somewhat competitive. And one more point on that. The top 12 teams that have spent money um in MLB this year, six of them suck. Six of them are terrible. The Mets are number one, they can't get out of their own way. Houston's a sucks, Detroit's a sucks, San Francisco sucks, the Red Sox suck. That's six of the 12. I think there's one more. I think Toronto, I think they're under 500 as well. So Tampa Bay, who spends no money, has the second best record in the league. So every year I didn't hate it. I I don't know where you are with it, but I did not hate the proposal.

SPEAKER_00

I didn't hate it the proposal either. Um, I understand the I I I think the floor is more important than the ceiling. I agree with you. I agree with you. I think I don't worry about team. I mean, why are we penalizing the Dodgers for spending too much?

SPEAKER_02

Agreed.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. Why? I mean, if the if the Red Sox want to spend a boatload of money and and and are garbage because of it, that okay, then that's the that's on them. Like that's their issue. That's their problem. Let them figure it out, right? I mean, look, what you don't want to do is you don't want to be the NBA, which the NBA, uh, you know, let's take every problem and and and send 10 different MIT and the N and every physicist and rocket scientist. Still fuck it up. And let them, I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like you're at the point now with the NBA where okay, you can't tank. Uh, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna make it to where if you trade a pick suddenly that that team's uh pro uh pro you know is is gonna suffer from it. Oh, by the way, we've made it so restrictive to get free agents by this this really Uber restrictive uh uh apron system that nobody understands. So that we've taken away the three major primary options in which you can build a team and said, okay, good luck doing it, but yet at the same time, the the team it's uh everybody's loving right now, the San Antonio Spurs, all benefited from tanking, but that's another sport for another time. Bringing it back to the bringing it back to the baseball.

SPEAKER_02

That sounded salty, by the way. That sounded a little salty. Well, I mean, here's the thing.

SPEAKER_00

I just I think it's bullshit. Like you spent all this time, you spent all this time worrying about tanking when in reality, like you, you, you've devised it to where that's the only way a team can get better. There you go. And if a team wants to tank, guess what? That's that that's their that that's their competitive right. Guess what? So be it. Um, but bringing it to the baseball point, look, you need a floor. Um, I think if you put a floor in play, that changes everything. Uh, you shouldn't be a lot, you shouldn't be a team. I mean, guess what? Pittsburgh, notorious for underspending. Fans get after him, people are pissed off. You know what? You've got Paul Schemes. How are you wasting this guy's prime? Da-da-da-da-da. Guess what? They finally go out and spend. And now they're about, they're what, a game above 500, right? Uh the Milwaukee Brewers, smaller market team. Guess what? They go out and spend. Guess what? They're in the mix for for you know the playoffs. Okay. So, you know, and and and hell, I mean, look at the uh look at the Rangers. I mean, the Rangers are in this conversation for, you know, they spent over two. I think they're, I think their payrolls uh right at 210, 220, somewhere in there. But guess what? You know, they can't hit their way out of a wet paper sack. Oh, by the way, you're paying Corey Seager 33 million dollars to to bat 173. Okay, so it's just, and and oh, by the way, you're paying, and you know this, Jacob de Grom, uh, you know, to give up 17 different fucking solo shots. Anyway, I digress. Are we spending too much time worrying about how money should be spent on players and how teams should spend? And are we not why are we not spending more time on showing teams or or emphasizing or or figure out a way that teams can build better teams? Why is that Tampa Bay can be broke as hell and live in a you know be stationed in a soup senior citizen's part of Florida and every freaking year Tampa Bay competes.

SPEAKER_02

You know what I hope, Fred, though? I really hope because I'm gonna tell you a quick story. So I was a Rangers and Knicks season ticket holder. Let's look at the Rangers, and this I'm going back years and years ago. Yeah. So it was really cheap. I had pretty decent seats, but the seats were only $36 a ticket. And then um the the NHL does their lockout of their strike, whatever they did, and they lowered, so the Rangers payroll dropped by like $25 million, right? So the payroll dropped $25 million, and the ticket prices went up to like $50, which okay, whatever. So I'm trying to sit there like, okay, you're spending $25 less, but now the tickets are $14 more for my particular section. Again, I'm going back to I think this was like 0405 a long time ago. I hope that if they bring the salaries down in baseball, they bring the ticket prices down. But you and I both know they're not gonna fucking do that, they're gonna charge more money. So once again, the fans get fucked. And and and the fans will just keep coming. I I don't get it.

SPEAKER_00

I really don't get it. I don't know, but see, I guess my thing with baseball though is because of the secondary market, I feel like you can all, unless it's a big, big game. If you I I I would venture to say, and I don't have the schedule in front of me right now, but I would venture to say that right now, if you and I could look at every single ticket that's available in Major League Baseball right now, and for two tickets we could get in. Parking, and that remains to be seen, but at least for tickets, we could probably get a decent ticket, two tickets right now for probably 60, 70 bucks.

SPEAKER_02

But that's not the face value, that's the resale. Like, you gotta do a Mets game right now for six dollars. But that's not what I'm saying. But my point is I I just feel like you know, I mean, someone paid the face value ticket, like they just can't unload them.

SPEAKER_00

Let them pay that. There's that's all the community case. Let them fucking pay that, you know. That's not that that's that's uh that's a again, that goes back to being a first world problem. All right, listen.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, I I I I can't believe I'm saying it, you know, because I have been absolutely against any salary cap always, and and I'm in the minority with this, by the way. I I get a lot of emails and flack about this. Um, but I did not, I did not completely dislike uh MLB's proposal.

SPEAKER_00

I I don't either. Look, I don't think Rob Manfred gets near enough credit for what we make too much. I I we make too much of Rob Manfred. Yes. Can he be a goofball at times? Absolutely. But I'll take him over Bud Seelig nine times out of ten. I think he's a better I I think he might be the best GM in sports right now.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, hey, listen, listen, it's hard to argue with what Goodell has done for the F.

SPEAKER_00

He's better than Silver. He's better than Adam Silver. Look, Roger Goodell. I mean, come on, man. It's it's we're at a point right now with football where I mean Toots is the driving cat could be a good one. Yeah, you and you and I could you could you and I could be the commissioner and then we can't fuck it up. I I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll say this real quick, just and and and maybe we can we can have this conversation another time, or hell, you can get him on your podcast. Um, if you haven't heard what John Skipper had to say, the longtime ESPN uh CEO, chairman, whatever the hell he was, now he's doing other TV stuff. But he made a point a couple weeks ago on the Pablo Torre podcast where he mentioned that the NFL is we're gonna get to a place with it with the NFL where they may only be available on streaming uh channels. Crazy. Crazy and the idea, I mean, look, they're already starting to get away from just being on Sunday. And you're already starting to see that initial pushback of people. I mean, hell, Jason Kelsey talked about it, I think, on ESPN the other day. Is that is the NFL abandoning its its chief fan base by playing more and more games uh on on non-Sundays? Yep. And you know, on one hand, you may look at it and say, Well, I like the fact that I can watch an NFL game any day versus well, that kind of kills my son. You know, my Sundays are meant for that's what we built the NFL over.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I'll tell you the truth, man. And uh you're God willing, this never happens, you don't want to put it out in the universe. But if my wife ever goes down, I I can watch TV. I can't watch because I can't turn the fucking thing on. I don't, there's so many different tuners and HDR. I'm yelling throwing, but like, how the hell do you get this TV on? Then you put on channel four, right? You're like, where the hell is the game? Now you now you're in a fight trying to find what channel the game is on. It's crazy to me.

SPEAKER_00

I feel I feel bad for your wife.

SPEAKER_02

I do as well. I do my my wife, I've said it numerous times. I'd be dead three times already. I'd be on my fourth life if my wife wasn't in my life, man. She would she keeps me alive.

SPEAKER_00

That's it.

SPEAKER_02

That's it.

SPEAKER_00

Shout to her.

SPEAKER_02

So you're back on you're back on radio tomorrow, right? You got a couple days off here?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so look, we're we're uh we're all over the place right now. It's uh, you know, 105 who the fan is the flagship of the uh Texas Rangers. So, you know, look, if it's us get you know, if it's us watching the Rangers get no hit by the worst ERA in baseball, um, if it's Jacob deGrom, you know, giving up four solo shots, um, you know, the thing about Jacob de Grom that's so flummoxing is he'll go out against the the Chicago Cubs and pitch seven innings of one-hit baseball and look like the guy that you picked up from the Mets five years ago. Yes, he will. And then he'll go out against the Houston Astros and give up four solo shots or not get out of the third inning against the Los Angeles Angels. It's just he's he's such a perplexing guy. I think we I don't know that we give Jacob de Grom the the the and it's probably just because he's been hurt and he had those weird spots in his career where we really truly appreciate just how good of an ace he's been.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I mean the Mets back the Mets gave him the run support. I guess assuming the Rangers are doing the same thing. Before I let you go, okay, give me a prediction, game seven tomorrow night, and give me a prediction for the NBA Finals. Oh, man, you're putting me on the spot here. Okay, uh points right for tomorrow night. No point. Just give me the winner. Give me the winner of tomorrow night, and then give me the winner of the NBA Finals.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, I'm gonna go. I look, I already said San Antonio, so I'm not gonna back off of that. I'm gonna go San Antonio wins the Western Conference Finals, and even though I think the NBA wants OKC to win it, and then I'm gonna go New York.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah!

SPEAKER_00

I'm gonna go New York. I really, really am. I'm gonna go New York right now. You're coming around, you're coming around. It's not me pandering. Um, I I look, I think it's simple. I think it's they're a very that's a that's a that team goes 7-8 deep. They've got shooters, uh, they've got size, and they've got Jalen Brunson. And and and and I think the key in all that is we are forgetting Mike Brown is a damn good basketball. Very good. Very ultimately. I don't know that we give my I mean Mike look, Mike Brown, whether it's been with the I mean, look, you know, LeBron forced him out in Cleveland. Of course. Uh he held it together for for Golden State uh for all those years as as uh Steve Kerr's main assistant. Um, you know, he actually he got Sacramento into the playoffs, okay? That shit show of a fucking team. Okay, so that I mean that's like winning a title 10 years in a row, as far as I'm concerned. So give me OKC. Here, okay, just real quick. I say the Spurs win tomorrow, but if the if OKC wins, it'll be controversial. And it suits it. The NBA wants OKC because the best you get the best of both worlds. We hate watch OKC because Spurs right now are too likable. We like the Spurs. Wendy's a fun guy. We do. I mean, he's he's he's so nice, he's a freak, he's an alien, we love him, blah, blah, blah. We hate OKC. We do. Okay, we hate OKC. And we're much, and look, if you've if we've learned anything in the last 20 years, we will turn tune in much more to what we hate than to what we like. Floyd Mayweather. Okay. He proved that. So if you're the NBA, after the year you've had, you take OKC and we hate watch for seven games, and suddenly America's behind the New York Knicks. Right. I mean, are you kidding me? You couldn't, I mean, you like you you couldn't you can't write that script.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Well, so yeah. If if the Knicks happen to win, you might not see me anymore. New York City might burn to the ground. Oh, is that really you're burned to the ground? Absolutely. Absolutely. Fred Davis, my man, thank you so much for coming on. I know you're back on the radio tomorrow. Everyone out there that listens to this podcast, you gotta go catch catch them. The Fan After Dark, K R L D. They are the top uh nighttime show down in Dallas. Very entertaining. Uh make sure you go check that out. Fred, thank you as always.

SPEAKER_00

Appreciate you, brother. Thank you.