Episode 26: The Audacity to Say No (Without Feeling Guilty)

Saying no sounds simple… until you actually have to do it.

In this episode, we dive into one of the hardest but most necessary skills: setting boundaries without drowning in guilt. From overcommitting and people-pleasing to losing friendships and learning hard lessons, we’re sharing real-life experiences that changed how we show up for others—and ourselves.

We talk about:

•  How to know what to say yes vs. no to 
•  Why overgiving leads to burnout (and resentment) 
•  The difference between helping and overextending 
•  How to communicate boundaries with clarity and kindness 
•  Letting go of guilt—even when you disappoint someone 
•  Identifying your “roots” vs. “leaves” in relationships 

If you’ve ever felt stretched too thin, guilty for saying no, or stuck saying yes when you don’t mean it… this episode is for you.

Because the truth is:
 You can do anything—but you can’t do everything.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

This podcast is for the woman who refuses to settle. The one who knows she was made for more. It's for the audacious woman who is ready to burn the chips, own her story, and create a life built on radical self-belief.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

I'm Amanda Galloway. I'm Ashton Greer. We are your podcast hosts, and we welcome you to the Audacity Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 0:20

Good morning. Good morning. We're having technical difficulties this morning.

SPEAKER_00 0:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Our app is very confusing. Our computer is dying. We are 30, oh 27 minutes behind schedule. We were supposed to start at 10. It's 1027. Yeah. That's how it's going. Yeah, but it's okay.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

So we're caught up on life.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

Yeah. We do have to get through this podcast, though, this recording before the computer dies.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

Because the charger isn't working. So So if it if we end this very sporadically.

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Very abruptly. It's like mid-sentence and shr. It's like err err. Yeah, that's fine. Sorry. We'll do our best. This recording has been interrupted for a very important message. Sorry. You know when you get like that?

unknown 1:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

That that probably won't happen, but. All right. So we'll get into the topic today and I'll let Ashton introduce it because someone wrote in.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Yeah, but first I want to tell you about my hair rollers. Oh, okay. Can I tell them about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So there's a wig shop in town that's closing here in Danville. Okay. She's close. She's been in business for like two decades and she's just done. She's getting older. She just doesn't want to do it anymore. So I went downtown to the wig shop because I'm obsessed with wigs. You know this. Yes. I love wigs. I love wearing wigs. It's like I get to be somebody else for like a moment in this town, which is nice. Um anyway, I don't go out without a wig now. But not true. If I'm going out, I'm wearing a wig. I don't want everybody to know who I am. Um, okay, I'm gonna bring it back. Okay. So anyway, I go into the wig shop and I didn't buy a wig, but I did buy hair rollers because I saw these hair rollers and I was like, it might be fun to put these hair rollers on my hair.

SPEAKER_00 1:57

And it's like the traditional pink ones that you had growing up when you were like seven years old and you have to sleep with them and you're like, this is when you start learning that pain is beauty.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Yeah, exactly. So I put these pink foam rollers in my hair, very meticulous about it. I got the perfect little rolls. I um anyway, try to go to sleep with them on. It was very uncomfortable, very uncomfortable. I woke up so many times. I had a dream that I murdered somebody and like they were trying to find me. And I think it was the hair rollers. It was too. Okay. So I have this very bad dream because the hair rollers. I wake up in the morning, my hair's still not dry. So then I have to use a blow dryer over the rollers because I know if I take them out, it's gonna be like wet. So I blow dry for like five, 10 minutes, and then I finally take the rollers out, and my hair is wild, like big banana curls in the front. Yeah, I sent me the video. It was a little fuzzy, the video was. Oh, okay. Well, banana curls in the front, but then the back it was still wet. So then those were flat. So then I had to take a curling iron through it to kind of like fix it a little bit. I do have great volume in my hair from it. There was a positive outcome. But an older woman I was talking to about it told me, she said, Ashton, this is why they invented a curling iron. She's like, You just realize what we realized decades and decades ago that doing that sucks. You can't sleep, they don't work well. Yeah. So we invented a curling iron. She was like, Why would you go back in time to get your?

SPEAKER_00 3:22

Feminine beauty. Beauty. Yeah. Like, come on, Ashton. Anyway, it was an experiment. It was a failed experiment. Uh yeah, but I get it. Um my daughter still likes to put rollers on your hair, but I had those like heated rollers that you just put them on for 30 minutes and then you take them out. I used to do that all the time.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

Really?

SPEAKER_00 3:43

Yeah. They're great.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

The only butt was your hair wet when you put them in a dry. Which dry hair.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

Dry hair is so much easier to curl.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

Dry hair, heated curl heated curlers?

SPEAKER_00 3:54

Well, it is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

It was like a little package of heated curlers.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

So heated curlers, they come in this container. Right. And the container you plug in and it heats up these curlers. So they're they're hot because you put them on.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

When you're putting them on, you wear gloves.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

No, I didn't. But the how like the outside of the roller is plastic. So then you just learn to put them up holding onto that plastic part and yeah. And it works? Yeah. Your hair curls real nice. Well, it did. I haven't done it in so long. So long. But it doesn't give Shirley Temple curls. It gives like soft, big curls, but it also depends on the size, because obviously the size is what makes it, you know, either even curlier or not so curly. I had to really tame my hair. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

Like what I thought was going to save me time though. I had to put the curlers in, then I had to blow dry them in the morning, then I had to take them out. Then I had to like figure out how to fix them and tame it. And it took and I was almost late to my morning meeting because I thought I was saving time with these foam rollers. Yes, I had to be on camera. And then I didn't sleep very well. And um they those rollers didn't just cost me the money I spent on them. They cost me a lot of my life and time.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

You know what I just I just I just discovered now? What? We are a beauty podcast.

SPEAKER_01 5:07

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:08

We talk about nails, acrylic nails, hair rollers. And next week I have Bobby Fisher coming on.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

She's an aesthetician and she's with Botox, lip fillers, all the cool stuff.

SPEAKER_00 5:19

I can't be.

SPEAKER_01 5:20

Is that what they're called? PRP.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

Yeah, PRP. Yeah. I cannot wait to pick her brain. She's a wealth of knowledge. So we are now officially a beauty podcast and we talk about relationships. Relationships and beauty. And we talked about nails last week. We are a girly girl podcast. We are for the girls.

SPEAKER_01 5:36

Yeah. I I um see all these girls getting like really pretty lip filler. Like it looks so good. I'm like, they just have these voluptuous lips. And I've been thinking about getting lip filler, but I am so scared that I'm gonna have duck lips. You'll cry. That it's gonna hurt. It does hurt. Like it's gonna hurt. I'm gonna have duck lips. I'm gonna hate it. My lips are big already. What if they're giant? Anyway, side that's just beautiful lips.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Thank you. Yeah, I have had lip filler twice. It my body holds filler like it does not leave my body.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

Bobby actually told me when I was talking to her about it that I didn't need lip filler because I had great lips. Yeah, you have great lips. And that was really nice. Yeah. But I just feel like, you know. Just a little something simple.

SPEAKER_00 6:19

A little something simple. Well, I like lip flips for that reason.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

Yeah, but then you can't suck on a straw.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

Well, you yeah, it's fun.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

You can't drink from a straw.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

You can't whistle. You can't whistle.

SPEAKER_01 6:28

You can't. Oh my gosh. It's like things we do.

SPEAKER_00 6:31

Maybe a week of that happening, but yeah, it doesn't last as long.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

No.

SPEAKER_00 6:35

Um, but yeah. Anyway, today let's let's talk about we're gonna talk about that. Can I just say something really quick? Uh-huh. I just feel like this is hilarious. Um, so we got a message from go ahead. From Vermilion County watchdog. I just have to bring this on air. Go ahead. Yes. Um, I have never been reported. This is my first offense. Um, so I found it entertaining. I mean, I got reported to DC watchdog by anonymous, by an anonymous person. Anonymous fake account. Fake account. Um, and people who are listening probably have heard about this before. And report someone, at least report them with like courage.

SPEAKER_01 7:18

Have some balls. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

Don't do it under a fake account. Yeah, I wonder, I was going to actually send this person a message, um, but they were saying that we took money from the county to fund like our own businesses.

SPEAKER_01 7:29

Yeah, we're really corrupt. Yeah, and like uh something about us being like tied in with Vermillion Advantage, and that's why like we did our thing and we were just using them for personal benefit. It was crazy. It was crazy. It was the most ignorant message I have ever read. I was like, this doesn't even make sense.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

It made no sense. I was like, if you're gonna report something, at least make it juicy and good. It's 2026, and we are living in a world where we are very self-aware of false information.

unknown 7:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

Yet we are so easy to watch the news or hear gossip and not question things, literally take them as facts and run with it and create our own stories and try to corrupt other people's lives. So, my lesson in all this, the reason why I I am bringing this up is not necessarily to like, I don't know, uh whatever, clear my name because I don't really give two shits, to be honest with you. Um, I read it, I laughed, I talked about it for you laughed out loud too about it. And I I talked about it for maybe a minute and I had like a conversation in my head of like how as a businesswoman, how should I handle this? And I was like, maybe I'll reach out and just like talk to her and like try to gather more information. Um, but then I was like, no, I'm fine, I'm moving on with my life. You can't negotiate with terrorists. No, you can't. Some people are just terrorists, they're just trying to do damage everybody. But anyway, my lesson in all this is kind of like what we spoke to with Vermilion Advantage is expand your mind, ask questions, dig deeper before spreading false information. It's like you just end up looking ignorant. Yeah, it was a silly message. It was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

I mean, the the watchdog who sent sent it to me. Um, he was, I mean, we were kind of chuckling about how silly it was. I mean, just it was silly. But um anyway, people are people are crazy. People be crazy. And they'd be crazy.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

Yeah, but I don't think our listeners they're crazy.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

Um, yeah, I hope not.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

No.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

Hope not.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

But if you are, that's you know, that's okay. We we still love you.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

I am a little crazy sometimes in my own way.

SPEAKER_00 9:31

Yeah. Okay, we are rambling, and we have how many managed to get our brains back on track to a topic, a very important topic. Oh, deep breath. Focus, Amanda. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

Yeah, I mean, so I had somebody say to me recently, I would really appreciate if you did a podcast on like how to say no and then how to not feel guilty after you've said no to somebody give like a request. Yes. So then I was thinking about this and I asked Amanda, do you think we could do an episode on this? And she's like, Well, yeah, we used both used to be like chronic people pleasers. We said yes to everything. And so we both have some ideas and lessons on like how how to know what to say no to, when to say no, when to say yes. Um, also like being like, I just don't say yes anymore is not an excuse to like be a bad friend, be a bad, you know, you gotta show up for people still. And um, when you do say no to something, how to let go of that guilt and those expectations and be comfortable with maybe disappointing someone.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

So that's what we're gonna talk about. Yeah. So I have a story, which I think is a beautiful lesson in all of this, for me at least. And I hope you can learn from my experience because I lost a friendship over it and it really, really like even to this day, it really hurts. And I have waves where it's like it comes back up and I'm like, oh man, that really sucked. So I had a friend who helped me move, and I was going through literally the worst time of my life. It was a very it literally was four years ago to this day. I was abruptly, my fiance ended things abruptly, whatever it was totally meant to be. I'm glad it happened. But I was without a house. I could I was self-employed, I couldn't buy a house, I didn't know any rental locations. I had to go live with my mom until I could find a place. My kids and I were literally uprooted. And so she helped me get some things and and move. And at the time in my life, I didn't have a lot of friends because I was so codependent in this relationship that I didn't have a whole lot. And my family, they're just they're getting older, they have back problems, so I also didn't want to ask them. So, like, I have a whole all this trauma over moving. Now I will literally ask no one to help me move.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

I know I asked Amanda like 10 times if I could help her move and she wouldn't let me.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

No, I won't. I won't let anyone help me move because of this situation.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

She irritated me. I was like, I know her.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

Yeah. I'm not gonna hold this, you know. I want to help you, but no, she won't let me help her. No, I wouldn't because I don't, I still have this in me, which is a lesson and a fault of mine of like just living in this fear of not being the other side. Like if you ask me to help you move and I can't like it being held against me. So um, anyway, she ended up moving. And at the time I told her, Yeah, absolutely, I will help you move. You've helped me so much, I will gladly help you. So I think, you know, with moving, like it happens so quickly. Like you have a closing date literally the week before. They always give you like an expected closing date, and then all of a sudden it comes out of nowhere. It's like hurry up and wait kind of situation. Then when it happens, you have to hurry again. So they had days to move out of the house, somebody else was moving in, and it was a weekend I haven't had my children. And have you ever tried moving with children? It is literally just so stressful. It's stressful. I'm 30 minutes away from from my childcare. So in hindsight, like I don't know at the time if my mom was around to help me with the kids. I have no idea. I can't remember the situation. But in the essence, I I had my daughter with me and my son to help them move, which I came later in the day because one of the kids had something going on. And at this point, they're already pretty much moved, like everything's done. And here my kids are just like dead weight, like they're they're not doing anything. I love them madly, but kids are not meant to be productive creatures sometimes when it comes to just to moving and stuff like that. So anyway, I really let her down. I really, really, really let her down. So my lesson in all this is a few different things. One, the self-awareness that I let somebody down who did so much for me.

SPEAKER_01 13:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

And in hindsight, I wish I would have been more forward thinking and putting logistics in place so I could have fully presently been there. Yeah. But I I can't remember where my headspace was at that time. So I also have to allow myself grace because I know in my heart I knew that and I wanted to be there for her.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:51

So I showed up and I I was there, but not to the capacity in which she wanted to. So she held this grudge against me for a long time until things just kind of built up and exploded. So this whole thing, this whole lesson that I learned from when you from boundaries is a couple of different things. One, make your yes a yes.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:11

Yeah. Um, give grace because shit happens and you can commit fully to something, and then you get sick or something happened with your kids, or and you know, it's it is hard to navigate those situations. Um, third, set expectations with people. So had I been more um, you know, hindsight's 2020, had I known what was going to play out, I would have been like, hey, I am going to be there to help you move. I will be there later. And I just want to tell you, like, I know that you helped me so much, and I feel like I am failing you right now, and I know that I am. And um I love you and I have kids with me, and it's really hard to move with children, and I didn't want to leave them at home. And I just want you to know that I'm I'm really sorry. And maybe that would have eased the situation, maybe it wouldn't have, but having clarity of expectations is very, very important.

SPEAKER_01 15:14

I agree. I also think that when you offer someone help and you're doing it with the expectation that they will help you later, that's a problem too.

SPEAKER_00 15:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

So, like on her end, to be like, Well, I helped you move, why aren't you helping me move? Well, you weren't that was helping with expectations. Have a lot of experience with this from other people in my life. Like when I do something for someone, or even if I lend them something, like maybe I lend them a book or I give them a hundred bucks and they say they're gonna pay me back later. I hope that they return the book, I hope that they pay me back, I hope they return the favor. But but I don't like bank on it because the reason I helped them isn't because I expected something in return.

SPEAKER_00 16:00

Yes. I think that that's a good lesson also with this, is that when you say yes to something, uh don't expect people to or when you've done something in the past for someone, don't ever expect someone to do the same thing that you would do because we all have different life experiences, different capacity for things. Yeah, different importances of things and what's important for you may not be as important to the other person. Um so I agree with you. I think that you kind of have to give grace to the situation. Um, so the the lady who came to you with this conversation piece, she really was she's volunteering her time now. She's retired, yeah, she's got a lot on her plate, she's wanting to do all this great stuff, but her limit is at max, and she's retired, so she also wants to enjoy life, but she feels guilty because people are coming to her because she is a great volunteer and a great person, and yet, you know, she feels bad now. Right. So what all these opportunities. Yeah. What advice would you give her? And this isn't necessarily with friendships, you know, I this is with anything, volunteering, anything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

I have a lot of thoughts on this because I used to be like this. Like I would do everything for everyone else. I was, you know, raising three kids, had seven foster kids in and out of my home, babies. I was working full-time and I was still like dropping off cookies to friends and like volunteering for everything possible and not getting enough sleep and running myself absolutely ragged. And in doing that, I had to start to think about well, I don't know. I eventually reached a place of like, I am not okay. And I think that's the danger in it is if you take on too much, you eventually neglect yourself. You're not loving yourself enough to say, like, are my basic needs met? Am I getting enough sleep? Am I able to eat new, you know, nutrition? Am I, do I am I carving out time for my brain to rest? Am I carving out time for me to get in? The exercise that I want to get in, I, you know, all of those things that we put on the back burner to take care of everyone else. So I think getting some clarity with yourself of like these are the things that I'm gonna do for me so that I can show up for the other people in my life. So like on an airplane, you put your own ma oxygen mask on first and then you help other people get theirs on. So, like, what things do you need to do for you to make sure that your oxygen mask is on and your tank is full so that you can show up for the people that you love. And then the second step I think is if you try to show up for everyone, you will not be effective. And one of the best pieces of advice that I ever got was Ashton, you can do anything, but you can't do everything. And like they were saying, like you're really competent, like you have you're great, but like if you try to do everything, like you won't do anything well.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

And I think it's the same. I think it's that same sort of thinking where you can be, try to be everything to everyone and end up with like shallow, mediocre relationships where you're run ragged, or you can decide these people are my priority. These organizations are my priority. They align with who I am and what I'm about. So I'm gonna say yes to these people, I'm gonna show up to these birthday parties, I'm gonna volunteer for these organizations, I'm gonna give money to these places because these are my priorities. And everything else, it doesn't quite align. And I'm in order for me to show up for the things I truly care about, myself, my family, my friends, and the causes I truly care about, I have to say no to these things so that I can make a deeper impact in those areas that matter most to me. Yeah. It's about that perspective.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

As I was preparing for this topic, one of the things I know that I've mentioned before, but also applies here is that think, make decisions based on your future self, who you want to be. So, like if I'm making a commitment, a work commitment, it's for the expectation, the version of the success I want to create in my business. Yeah. And same with people in my life. I make commitments to the people in my lives that I my life that I feel like fuels me to uplift me. Yeah. And I don't feel guilty about that, but I used to feel really guilty about it. I had one friend that I I I mean, I still love her. Um, I actually have a couple of friends like this, but they drain me. They drain me. Yeah. And it's constantly complaining, it's constantly issues, and I love them, but at some point you do have to create boundaries for your own self-protection, your own energy, because we're doing so much as business owners, as women, that at some point you can't be a people pleaser.

SPEAKER_01 20:52

You also really have to evaluate your own capacity because you know, my capacity ten years ago when I had three or two babies and was pregnant with my third is very different from my capacity today, where my youngest is nine, my oldest is fourteen. Yes. So that I can say yes to more now than I could then. Yeah. And it's all about where you're at in your life. And the people that love you will understand your phase or your season of life. Yes. And they're not gonna, it's kind of like say, say um I got pregnant and I was the first one you want me to have a baby. Noted. Okay. But say I got pregnant and I was the first one in in our in our friend group to ever have a baby. Okay. And then all my friends are like, once a baby's born, like, Ashley never comes out anymore. Like and I essentially would probably lose 90% of my friends. That's the reality of it. Right. Because most a lot of people don't understand where you're at in your life. The people that love you will. The people that matter will. And uh it's it can be really good to it's painful, but That pruning process of who, what people are truly rooted in my life. There's this video by Medea. Medea. Yeah, you guys know that show. And she talks about how some people are roots in your life. Like they are with you there, the roots of your tree. Most people are leaves or branches. Yeah. The leaves fall off with the change of season. Branches break when things get too heavy. But roots, there's a few people and you just really need a few. Yeah. And when you figure out who those people are, I think that's where you always say yes. Yes. That's where you get the babysitter. You go out of your way. You do the people that are your roots, I think those are the ones that, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna sacrifice for this person.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

That is something that I learned, I think more so with you and Alex. Yeah. Is that if we have a girls' day, like I am prioritizing it now. Whereas I'm when I was new in my relationship, I I was still a little codependent learning this about myself. Yeah. So now I like I my friendship with you two is so important that I will move things around to make sure that I'm there for things. Right. We're rooted. Yeah. We got those roots. But it took some branches to fall off for me to realize my roots. Yeah. And it's a really painful process, but it is then you start gaining clarity on like I am saying yes to this situation. And it's the same with organizations, non-for-profits that you're part of. Like stick with the ones who provide you roots.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

That you feel really, really proud of, you're confident, you leave feeling rejuvenated after you've volunteered or, you know, really any commitment.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Yeah, it should be life-giving. And now volunteering or giving isn't always pleasant. But what I mean is like you should feel good about the organization. The investment you made, the organization or the friendship or the relationship. But I think if for this person that asked, if you can write down like these are the causes that are truly dear to my heart and these are the people that I will always prioritize. I think you can get really clear about what you want to say yes to. And then you can say no to other things. And you can say it like this. I really appreciate you asking. I think what you're doing is great. This is like if you get an ask for an organization. However, the causes in my life that I'm committed to are this, this, and this. And so in order to make the biggest impact in those areas, I'm having to say no to other things.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

Being very clear is important. If you don't want to be that clear, if you feel like it's very harsh, just be like, I really appreciate it. At this point in my life, I am maxed at capacity and I so much value you reaching out. Um, you could even say, I am open to exploring this again next year, but this year I cannot. So then if that helps you take away some of that guilt, you you certainly can. But even friendships and situations, I think that it really is rooted in clarity and being uh Brene Brown always says that um clarity is kindness. And I think that being clear on where you're at in this phase of your life, if it does mean having to say no for a situation, being clear is going to be what I think could potentially save that relationship. So then a story isn't built in their head and and creates tension and you know, whatever may result of it, but kindness or clear being clear is kind. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

The other thing that I'll say is when you invest in your relationships that are your priority, the relationships that aren't your priority will notice. Yeah. They will notice it will hurt their feelings. Yes. It will be difficult. My computer is gonna close uh shut off soon.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

Um anyway, just letting you guys know this is gonna happen at any moment. Anyway, it will be hard, but you're kind of doing everyone a favor because they can get clear about who their roots are. Maybe you can't be that for them. Yeah. And n you're not gonna be aligned with every person. Yeah. And it that this is the dance of life is we're trying to find who are we aligned with, who are our people, who's our community. And don't, I mean, if if you're saying yes when you want to say no, you're kind of pretending.

SPEAKER_00 26:29

Yeah. You don't want to say that.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

You're kind of pretending to be then that tastes bad.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

Then that provides a different experience for people. So if you like this topic and you want us to do a part two, let us know. We would love to explore this deeper, but let us know what you think and we can we can dive even deeper. If you have a personal experience, please let us know. Yeah. And let us help you unravel it. Because there's always ways in which I think that, you know, we can learn lessons from these experiences where we are, we do have to set boundaries with people.

SPEAKER_01 27:00

Yeah. Like this boundary I'm about to set with Amanda, that she has to bring her computer next week.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

This mind keeps dying. I absolutely will. I will. From here on out, I will I got it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

Uh I'm so bummed about this technology problem. I know. I know. We are gonna have to go though.

SPEAKER_00 27:17

Yep. All right. Short episode, short and sweet. Great lesson here. Um, happy to explore this more if you guys are interested. Absolutely. All right, talk soon. Bye. Bye.