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Episode 36: Travel Changed Us: The Trips That Shaped Our Lives (And Where We'd Never Go Again)

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Travel is about so much more than vacations—it's about perspective, growth, and discovering who you are.

In this episode of The Audacity!, Amanda and Ashton share the travel experiences that transformed their lives, from mission trips and backpacking through Europe to Disney cruises, Monte Carlo, Vietnam, Banff, and beyond. They discuss culture shock, traveling on a budget, favorite destinations, overrated places, unforgettable memories, and why getting outside your comfort zone can change your life forever.

Whether you're planning your next adventure or dreaming about one, this episode will inspire you to see the world through a new lens.

In this episode, we discuss:

  •  How travel shaped our identities 
  •  The best countries and states we've visited 
  •  Overrated destinations (our honest opinions!) 
  •  Traveling with kids vs. traveling as a couple 
  •  Budget travel tips 
  •  Funny and unforgettable travel stories 
  •  Culture shock and homesickness 
  •  Why everyone should experience another culture at least once 
  •  The life lessons travel teaches you 

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SPEAKER_00

This podcast is for the woman who refuses to settle. The one who knows she was made for more. It's for the audacious woman who is ready to burn the chips, own her story, and create a life built on radical self-belief. I'm Amanda Galloway.

SPEAKER_03

I'm Ashton Greer. We are your podcast hosts, and we welcome you to the Audacity Podcast.

SPEAKER_00

Hello. Good morning, Amanda. Good morning. How are you? Working on my posture.

unknown

Yes, me too.

SPEAKER_00

I'm good. How are you? I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. I uh have been like late at night trying to fall asleep and then having intrusive thoughts about moving. So like two nights ago, it was like 11 o'clock. I laid down for bed. I fell asleep finally at 3 a.m. And the thoughts in my head were like, you don't even have boxes, Ashton. And then like I was thinking about like the basement and the garage and not it's not just like packing the house. It's like the attic, basement, garage, closet, like all I started realizing like how much stuff I have. And then I started thinking about like oh, I haven't booked a moving company, and oh, I have to change utilities, and oh, I have to change my address at the post office. And like this like long list of just daunting tasks, you know, came into my head and then yeah, I couldn't say.

SPEAKER_03

I spiraled when I was moving too. Did you and yeah, I think once you take action, yeah, you and you realize it's just literally one room at a time.

SPEAKER_00

It's super emotional too. Because like I like my house and my kids like my house, and the place we're going needs a lot of work. So like it's like moving in and then living out of like a couple bedrooms while I tear up the carpet. Like I'm gonna be renovating while I live there. Yeah. I'm moving the fence, I'm tearing up carpet, refinishing floors, probably um upgrading the kitchen a little bit. There's just like a lot of oh, in the basement. I'm carpeting a bedroom in the basement. Oh, cool. And creating a bedroom down there for Roman. Good. So it's just like, oh my gosh, I don't know. We were so settled. We were so settled. I know.

SPEAKER_03

I felt like that with my kids we've moved quite a bit as well. And it is hard, but you know, my kids still hold on to this one condo that was so tiny. They remember my share a room, which I don't know why like the feeling of being there was so comforting for them, and they still talk about it to this day. Like Ollie will be like, I miss my bed there. I'm like, you literally hated it and you had to share a room. But it's like we romanticize the past, I think. You know? So the reality in today's world, they would just absolutely despise it.

SPEAKER_00

It's kind of funny though, because they probably had that time together, even though they like despised it, they also probably got closer in a way.

SPEAKER_03

If they didn't prove it, right, like I don't know. I'm just trying to figure it out for you. They are not they don't get along, but they're just very two different personalities one day.

SPEAKER_00

They are, yeah. They are very different. Yeah. My kids are like that too. They get along sometimes and sometimes they don't, and yeah. Just depends on the day and their attitudes and if they're underslept.

SPEAKER_03

You know. Yeah. Sometimes I'll talk to parents and be like, Do your kids get along? And they're like, Yeah. Yeah, they get along. And I'm like, let's define getting along. Right. Like I'm so curious. Right. Because they'll be like, Oh, they get along so great, and then one of the kids will come over and they'll be like, Ugh, my brother annoys me so much, and blah blah blah blah blah, and I'll find out the truth. I'm like, uh huh. Yeah. So we just all need to be real. Like siblings just don't always get around get along, and that's fine. Did you get along with your brother? No. No, I didn't either. But we get along now. My brother was so mean. Yeah. I was mean to my brother. I was mean to him. Were you? We beat each other up. But you're the older one. That's why. Yeah, my brother was older too. Mm-hmm. He's a problem. So mean. We were enforcing our power. Oh my gosh. Power struggle. It was. It's all about power dynamics and struggling for the other parents' um affection.

SPEAKER_00

Well, no since we're talking about our childhood, I think I think it's a good segue into our topic. Yeah, I think it's great. So we're gonna talk about our travels today. And we're gonna talk a little bit about what traveling means to us and some like recommendations of like best places to go, places that were like overhyped, which I have several of those in my head. Um, and like just like all the things related to travel, I have some crazy stories and I think traveling has really shaped me. And I didn't travel a lot as a kid, did you? Oh yeah. But you did travel a lot as a kid.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, every other year growing up we went to England because my family was over there.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah. That's cool. Mm-hmm. And then is that like the only place you traveled to though, since you were always going to England?

SPEAKER_03

No, Belgium and Sweden. And then we traveled in the US. Wow. Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, our our lives are different.

SPEAKER_00

We come from different tax brackets.

SPEAKER_03

You know, I think no, it's not that. It just like m traveling. Here's a perspective that I have. One, I didn't appreciate it when I was younger. However, I did develop a sense of cultural awareness.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

That things were done differently in different areas. There were just different social norms. So it gave me a deeper perspective to just cultural awareness, even at a young age, that I understand it more now than I did then. Yeah. But also, too, um, my grandparents were from another country, and although they didn't make a lot of money, travel was very important to them. So it was just like where we spent our extra money. It's not like we were rich, and yeah, but it was travel was something my grandparents always enforced, and they've literally been everywhere. Granted, my grandfather had to travel a lot for his job. Yeah. So my grandmother would join them, but it instilled something in me that travel is so important to just be able to explore more. And my ex-husband, he used to say Fountain County, Covington, Indiana was literally the most beautiful place in the world. Yet he had never been outside of, you know, he went to Canada. But um I was like, no, you don't understand. Like England has this architecture that is so beyond what we have here in the US. And, you know, the food is different. I would say it's more bland in in England. And tea time. Yeah, you know, it's yeah, tea time, and but even beyond that is the conversation that you're having.

SPEAKER_00

Skits and tea. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Which we don't, we don't do that here. Like, but tea time is a way to connect with people. Yeah. It's far more than just the food, which, you know, we may say we're gonna get coffee with people here, but does it actually happen? No, we live in like a very grind, grind, grind society where in in Europe it's more of a slow pace world and um much more balanced. So I say all that to say um travel was essential to me growing up. While I was married, though, to my husband, we did not travel. You didn't at all? We went to Mexico. How many years were you married? Seven or eight years. And you went you traveled one time out of the country? Mm yeah, I think we went to the Bahamas too. Um, but other than that, like we didn't go to Europe, we didn't yeah, go to the West Coast or any place like that that was that much, you know, that gave you a cultural awareness. Like resorts are great and that's fun, but you're not embraced in that culture. Yeah, it's very different. It is so different. So it's like an Americanized version of just, you know, you're in another country getting all this food and a great experience, but it's not a cultural immersion. Um, so I think that being divorced, one of the things I looked for in my next partner was I want someone to travel with.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Ironically, my ex after that literally never left the house. Um, so I was even more determined. No. Did you guys ever go on a trip? No. Really? Yeah. Huh. Yeah. Wow. So I was even more determined that my next partner after that was like would travel and had a cultural experience. And, you know, ironically, I met Antonio, who's now written a book on his travels and his experience and the cultural awareness that it brought to him and lessons that he's learned through the pair through the vision of um through work, you know. Yeah, he's traveling. And different, yeah, different cultural um, yeah, just experiences and how people interact differently. So um, yeah, that's I could go on and on about this apparently. I I didn't realize I had so much to say about traveling.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, she wasn't sure about this episode.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Well, I wanted to provide anything that we talk about, I want it to be a value. Yeah. Like I don't want to just sit here and talk about my experiences. I want it to be something that's like you're listening, you're taking your time out of your day. So I want you to learn something.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I think we have a lot to share when we travel.

SPEAKER_03

Let's unload.

SPEAKER_00

So my my child is very different. So I like we went on a couple trips, like we went to Portland, Oregon, and then we went to Arizona. And those are the two trips I took, like as a kid. Because I had family in both places and we we grew up pretty poor. Um, but my parents both worked super hard and got to a place of like stability, but we still don't have like a lot of extra money. Um so those were kind of the two trips that I took until I became a high schooler. And as soon as I could travel and pay for travel, I did I started traveling. So when I was 16, I took my first like trip that just like blew my mind. And I went to Belize. Cool. Yeah. So I went to Belize with our youth group in I think it was like my junior year of high school, maybe sophomore, junior, something like that. Uh, probably junior. And we did this mission trip where we helped this church, like they were building, they were doing an add-on because our church was really tiny. It was a really impoverished impoverished island. So we helped them build it and I actually laid flooring, tile flooring for like the whole week. We grouted and laid tile. That's so cool. And cleaned the floors for them. We played soccer with them. We did like vacation Bible school. This whole experience, though, it's really cool now because I know how to grout and I know how to lay tile, I know how to grout, I know how to do floors, and I renovate properties. So like I literally learned this thing on this mission trip when I was 16. Yeah. That I could do it, you know? And um, on that trip, it was the first time I had like international food and I went snorkeling and got to experience like the ocean. Like, I actually didn't even go to Florida until I was like 18 or something. Um, no Disney World for me, nothing like that. So this trip was like started my passion for it. And then a couple years later, oh, what my family did go to Canada too. We went to the Niagara Falls for like a long weekend when I was growing up. Um, so I went to Canada, I guess. But then I went to Belize when I was 16, and then I traveled when I was 17. I did an internship in Ecuador. Awesome. Where I volunteered in an orphanage for disabled children in a women's prison, and like we would actually go in and like study scripture and sing and like do like worship services with these women, these female prisoners. And anyway, I think this was super foundational for me and understanding poverty, um, the struggles that different types of people face, the importance of benevolence and service, but then also like food and language and different ways of living. And so all of this really shaped me. And I think you would agree, I don't really like fit in a box um as a person. So like I feel like I kind of march to the beat of my own drum and I see things a little bit differently. But I think it's because of my early travel experiences that really shaped my perspective. So yeah, and then I think sorry, I went to been to the Bahamas um on a like a trip with my ex-husband. We did a trip to uh actually I've been to Ecuador a few times. So like I did the mission trip, but then I went back, we had friends there, family. Um went to the Bahamas and then he and I honeymooned in the Netherlands and Tilly's and then the craziest thing when we were 20, he and I got married when we were 18. We put everything in storage, flew to Europe and traveled all over Europe for six months and went to nine countries together. That's crazy. I love this story. Yeah. So we like just hopped on a plane, went over there, we like mapped it out, we knew the the immigration rules about like you can only stay in certain countries for so long. And if you're part of the United Nations, you only have like 90 days total in the UN. So we had to like spread that out. But we did like Ireland, Spain, Germany, France, Switzerland, uh, Northern Ireland, England, Spain, I mean, I I don't know, all of them. It was so, so cool. And what did your parents think? You know, I think that they it was very mixed got very mixed feedback from people. Like some people were like, How are you gonna afford that? Like, it's dangerous, like what are you doing? Did you stay in hostels? Uh we did a couple times, Airbnbs, sometimes hotels if we were just in a place a couple days. Um, but he and I both had this unique advantage where we worked remotely. So we were employed the entire time we were there. So we worked for this company called Call Source, and we would actually, you know how you hear it? This call maybe recorded for quality service. Yes. We would actually listen in on recorded phone calls and score the receptionists. That's cool, and then provide data back to the company on how well the receptionists were performing. Interesting. So that both of us did that job for like tons of different industries. So, like I had healthcare industries, uh, my biggest customer was Bell Tire, so I learned all about tires on cars. I could tell you everything. Everything. I know what kind of tires are good, I know about rim sizes, I know about profiles, I know about like Michelin warranties, I could tell you So you're getting your tires changed when they need to.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, I'm up on it.

SPEAKER_00

I am up on it.

SPEAKER_03

You're not like most girls.

SPEAKER_00

I'm not like most girls. Uh-uh. So yeah, so anyway, but this experience of traveling Europe with him, I mean, we our paychecks were deposited in the United States. We had international credit cards that linked to our bank accounts. We spent our money every single month because euros are more expensive than American dollars. And I mean, we were broke in Europe because we were paying for hostels, hotels, food, food, I mean everything. But it was so cool. So that is awesome. Whose idea was it? His.

SPEAKER_03

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it was his idea. He loves to travel. Um, Jared and I both shared like a super intense love for travel. So we he he wanted to do it. Um, I was like, Are you sure? And then like the more we planned and plotted, we realized like we're probably gonna be broke. This is probably gonna be like a little crazy, and at times it really, really was.

SPEAKER_03

But what a great lesson, also in a in being broke when you're first married and prioritizing things, working together as a team, yeah, figuring out, you know, how you're going to do life. I think when you've experienced being broke and living paycheck to paycheck, it brings a completely different perspective to prioritization and how you're spending your money. And, you know, when you're young, it's kind of whimsical too.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

You know, as you get older, not so much. But you're kind of naive. Absolutely and you don't have any responsibilities really minus your job.

SPEAKER_00

Looking back, like, I mean, I think what I would tell people it if is advice is if you have the opportunity to do something like that, I mean, do it while you can. It's the kind of thing where people I think are like, grind, grind, grind, save, save, save, I'll do when I retire. But we did it on the front end and had those experiences that then informed our lives. And also when we were like young enough to walk 10 miles in a day because we couldn't afford the Uber or whatever, you know, like or taxi, because I guess there weren't Ubers back then. But yeah, that was 15 years ago that we did that.

SPEAKER_03

That's interesting. My ex-husband's perspective on it was we'll travel when we retire, but who knows what your health is going to be like. Right. Right. And um, allowing your kids to experience it, you know, as we listened to Ashton, she had formational experiences from her youth that developed her who, you know, to who she is today. So if you get the opportunity to take your family or just take the trip with your husband or your partner, or even friends, you know, do it. And it doesn't have to be astronomically expensive. You do not have to go overseas.

SPEAKER_00

No.

SPEAKER_03

Ashton and I went to California.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we did.

SPEAKER_03

Uh last year, and we went to the Redwoods. It was amazing.

SPEAKER_00

It was very fun.

SPEAKER_03

We did not stay at the bougiest hotel. It was nice. It was nice, but I um yeah, I've stayed in much nicer. It wasn't like amazing, but it was nice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. San Francisco.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. And we flew into San Francisco because it was more affordable than flying closer to Banf, or not Banf, to the Redwoods. Yeah. I love Bannf too, by the way. Yeah, we'll get there. Um, but there's certainly ways that you can explore and travel and have different cultural experiences without spending a ton of money. Um, one tip for that I do, I should say, is that I put aside money each month for travel. Yeah. And I know that when this trip comes up in July, I will have the money saved up.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

That that money is directly going to a vacation with my kids in Florida.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I have never um had like an excess of money. I mean, I got married super young, had kids super young, didn't have a college degree, went to college while raising kids. Like it's been like a struggle pretty much since I became an adult. But travel is one of those things that somehow, even though I've never had a ton of money, I have been to 17 countries. Yeah. You know, in the last 20 years. And I somehow always figure out a way to make it work because those experiences are so important to me.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like seeing the world, meeting different people, getting outside of my comfort zone, like doing things that make me uncomfortable is actually really important to me in a weird way. Um, so that well, you're putting yourself in a new environment. Yeah, and you don't become like stone. Right. You have to keep adapting as you go through life.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. In order to change as a person, you sometimes have to put yourself in a new environment.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And one of my mentors, ironically, he'll just go to a hotel for a few days and he will simply work on his goals and study and read. But the essence of going to a new environment helps him open up his mind in a different way than it is at home.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Where all your responsibilities are. And, you know, we don't all have that luxury. But I think it brings a point to travel as well that sometimes you just need to reset. Yeah. And you need to be in a new environment and let loose. And you know, that's also hard to do when you have kids. Like this Florida experience. Actually, both of my vacations next month are very kid driven. And I know I'm going to come back probably being like a little drained. A little drained, but I look forward to my honeymoon.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_03

And that will be one in which I will be able to have a complete reset.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. You know, I did a vacation last year with just me and my kids for 10 days. And I thought I would be super drained by it, but it ended up being like the best vacation ever. Like if you ask me, my favorite vacation ever is this vacation. Disney cruise? Yes. Okay. It was I we we went on a Disney cruise, which I didn't know what first cruise with kids. My kids had never been on a cruise. The only other cruise I had ever been on, I won the cruise. And it was like a cheap cruise and it wasn't great. This cruise was not cheap at all. It's like the Disney premium cruise, right? So I was surprised. I had uh sold a home, had some extra money, spent some of the profits from that on this trip. It is the most expensive vacation I've ever taken. Um probably close to $10,000 on 10 days. Okay. So I will say like it's not cheap at all. And it was, it's like a once in a lifetime thing that I will probably maybe never get to do again. But I had never been to Disney World my whole life. I'm I was 30, you know, 35 last year at the time that I took this trip. Never been to Disney World. No, 34. Yeah, never been to Disney World, never uh been on like a an actual like decent cruise. My kids had never experienced. Any of that. My kids had never been out of the country. Like all that. So I was like, we're gonna do this. They're at the perfect ages. I'm gonna spend my saved money. It did stress me out financially for a while, coming back and like realizing, oh, my savings is gone. Like, what have I done? But the trip itself was amazing because it was the first trip that I've ever taken with my kids that was like there wasn't a grumpy man with me. And interesting. I mean I mean this like when you're when you have two adults and you have a man and a woman, and it's kind of like you have to think about what your kids want, and you also have to think about like what your husband wants. Because it everybody has opinions, but this was like a really indulgent time for me where I got to just think about what my kids wanted. And I didn't have to worry about making another adult happy, and what makes me happy is my kids being happy. Yeah. So yeah, it was just like luxurious, and Disney does not miss a beat, and the food was amazing. And we went to the Bahamas and then we went to like a private island, and then we got back, drove into town, and spent the next three days at Disney World. Awesome. So Disney Cruise, Disney World, we stayed at a Disney resort. I literally did not skimp at all. And um that the kids had the best time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And what a memory to have with your brothers.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Right? It was magnificent, the whole thing. That's so cool. So I'll just be replaying that in my head. So I've been to 17 countries. My favorite trip was Disney World and Disney Cruise. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Well, it's so magical. They really do a phenomenal job on the experience. And it's cool because they're the ones creating the experience for people. So you don't have to really plan anything. You're just experiencing the magic of Disney. I've only been once and I was younger, so I don't remember it a whole lot.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, it was so cool. I yeah, so cool. That was amazing. Um, and then I mean, I guess I can share the other places I've been and then you can share where you've been, but then I have questions for you. So I talked about Europe, I talked about Belize, talked about Ecuador. Um, but then beyond that, you know, I've been to Mexico, Bahamas, Canada. And then I went last year to Vietnam, two years ago to Vietnam and Thailand, so Asia. Um, which was a whole different experience. Like completely different culturally from the other places that I've been to.

SPEAKER_03

So the mannerisms, the just the poverty?

SPEAKER_00

Uh yeah, there's it's definitely very third world y. Okay. And there's yeah, definitely the food, but the culture is so different. It's so family centered. They're kind. They're so kind to they're so hardworking. Yeah. Um that was just in the architecture and like the scenery, and went to some incredible, like they have a lot of, I can't think of temples. They have temples everywhere. Spiritual. Very spiritual, a lot of old temples, a lot of um stones and like spiritualism. It was just so cool. And that trip we actually went with the Vietnamese family. So like we stayed in their home. We were fully immersed in the culture. Wow. And it was a really cool opportunity. Yeah. Yeah. And then I went to Mexico this year for the first time ever.

SPEAKER_03

I didn't know. I thought you had been there before. Nope.

SPEAKER_00

That's cool. First time in Mexico, went to Cancun.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that was cool too. It's so Americanized. It is there. Yeah. So when Antonio and I went to Mexico last time, we went into the community and volunteered. And it was just so poor, it was sad. But all the kids were so grateful. Yes. We literally were giving out t-shirts and socks and hats, and they were so excited. Yeah. And it's like you do that here, it's like, you know, not as appreciated. Right. You know?

SPEAKER_00

Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's so different. So, okay, where have you traveled to in your travel history? And then I'm gonna ask you some questions about it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, so I grew up going to Europe quite a bit, my England. My family's from England, and then Sweden and Belgium were another trip that I took when I was 16 with my grandparents because we had family over there. I have a great aunt who lives in Belgium. And then where else have I been? As far as Europe is concerned, I've been to the south of France, which yeah, oh my gosh, it's so beautiful. Yeah. Monaco, um, Austria. Or no, we didn't go to Austria. We went to Italy, we've gone to Greece, and we went to Hungary. That's it was Hungary. We were going to go to Austria, but we didn't end up going. Um, where else? Obviously, Bahamas, Mexico, Canada, and then various places in the U.S. I have not explored, you know, I really want to go to ironically, Arizona. I have not been.

SPEAKER_00

Uh what? Yeah. That's our next trip.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I would love to go there. Antonio's, you know, lived there before as well. Did we go to Oregon when we were?

SPEAKER_00

We drove to Oregon. Okay. We drove all the way from San Francisco, up the coast, all the way to Oregon when you were in California.

SPEAKER_03

I want to go to Portland, though, because my mom was born in Portland.

SPEAKER_00

I've been to Portland.

SPEAKER_03

So I would like to just experience that for a day or so. But yeah, I've, you know, my family lived all over the US in North Carolina and Texas and northern um New York. So we've been to various places, but I love going overseas. I think that's where I really see such a cultural difference and when I can really just disconnect and be part of a just a place that I've never been. And I loved Greece. Mykonos was I love Greece. Amazing. Mykonos, I want to go to Santorini. San Santorini. Santorini. I went there too. So I said that and I was like, that doesn't sound right. Um, I want to go there. I've not been there. But Mykonos was amazing. But my favorite place in the entire world is probably Monte Carlo. Which sounds so bougie. A lot of my travels I have never been. Yeah. I am very lucky that I work for a company that if we perform well, they take us on trips. And it's really, really hard to get these trips. Yeah. Really, really, really hard. She gets them. I stress and but you get those trips. Yeah. You've gotten so many trips. Yeah. So this year it's Hawaii. If I qualify, I've been to Hawaii before. Um, but I I am so excited um for that opportunity. And then where else have they? They've taken me to Greece, they've taken me to Monte Carlo, they've taken me to New York, Mexico, and where else? Gosh. Oh, we're going to California. The trip next month is a reward trip with the family. So we're going on a cruise.

SPEAKER_01

Oh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um, it is LA to Escanada, Mexico.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

So I've not been to that part of Mexico either. So I'm really excited about that. A little nervous because I do get seasick.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. And those little patches.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I just found out though that I'm really excited about. I made champions, so I get an extra bedroom on the ship. So they're usually very small, and you don't usually spend a whole lot of time in your room anyway. But my kids, as I said at the beginning, don't get along and they find any opportunity to bicker with one another.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And uh so this will be really good. I always take my mom with on my family trips because my mom can take one kid, I can take the other, and we can divide and conquer. Because I have some, I love my kids, but they can be very, very difficult.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And demanding. It's I think I also have a I get overstimulated easily. So part of it is also my character. Yeah. And I just want to please so bad, but you know, so I'm always like trying to make both kids happy. And I think that's just a part of my character that I have to work on. That I just have to understand that not everything's going to be fair and not everyone's going to be happy. But my mom always did such a good job at trying to divide and make everything even and fair. And it's hard to do with kids. So anyway, I'm I'm looking forward to that. I think that's I think that's all the places I've been. That's a lot though. Yeah, and on my honeymoon, we are going to Spain, the south of France, and um Monaco. Wow. Which I'm excited to go to Spain. Yeah, I love Spain. Yeah. And my fiance speaks Spanish, so oh yeah. Fluently. I mean so it and he loves he's from Mexico, but he his family is originally from Spain. So I'm excited to see it through his eyes. Yeah. And I'm just excited to experience the culture.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, Spain is really, really cool. Really cool. Yeah. I love Barcelona so much.

SPEAKER_03

I also think it's cool when you go somewhere and they don't speak your language. Uh-huh. And you get to learn these new words, and it's kind of funny. And you know, most of the places in Europe they speak English.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, except for France. They don't like that you don't speak French.

SPEAKER_03

Well, I know a little bit of French just from high school, but I think as long as you try, they appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. So of everywhere that you've been, um, is there a place that's overhyped and you would not want to go back?

SPEAKER_01

Hmm.

SPEAKER_02

You know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

I can't think of anything, to be quite honest with you, because I I if I had to say it would be like Niagara Falls. Yeah. I was just like, okay. Like it's pretty. Yeah, New York City. I love New York City. I think that it's I I love it. It's not as clean. It's not. So it's I think that is the only thing that was like it Times Square was overhyped.

SPEAKER_00

I love Times Square.

SPEAKER_03

I know, I know you're gonna say that, but uh growing up watching MTV, I had this totally different vision of what Times Square was. So then when I went, I was like, oh.

SPEAKER_00

I have a memory in Times Square that is just chef's kiss. So we got back from Europe. Um, so we went from Greece, flew to an island in Italy. Palermo, perhaps. That's what my brain is saying. Spent a couple nights at this island in Italy, flew from the island in Italy to New York City because of the time difference, and we were broke because we were always taking like night eyes.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Landed in New York City, got to um our hotel room. We're so jet-lagged that we couldn't sleep. So at like four or five in the morning, we were like, let's just go get some coffee. We were staying on Times Square, walked out into Times Square, four or five in the morning. There is no one there. It's like empty. Uh-huh. So, like, you know, when you see Times Square, it's like packed and like stressful. Empty, but all the screens are still on. And it's like the perfect weather, like a slight breeze. I'm back in the United States after six months. I'm also pregnant. Oh, yeah. And like craving American food. And we're like looking around and just taking it in, you know. I don't know. It was magical. Walk to a Starbucks, nobody's there. It's like, I don't know, like New York City when no one sees it. And that memory has made me love New York City so much. And then I have a tradition with my kids when they turn 10, they get to choose where they want to go for a long weekend. And my firstborn Roman, when he turned 10, wanted to go to New York City. So I took him to New York for four nights. Cool. And I have this memory with my firstborn son of like we went to Broadway shows and like Central Park and ate all the bagels and the pizza and like perfect. Did the whole New York thing and that was amazing.

SPEAKER_03

And to be able to connect with him, right? Yeah, it was the best vacation ever. I love it.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah.

SPEAKER_03

It was fun to see the hustle and bustle. Yeah. You know, it's just a different, it's different than the Midwest. In the Midwest, everything's very slow, and you know, the the fashion is different. The men in New York City, ladies, if you're single, go to New York City. I've never, I Antonio knows this, full disclosure. I've never seen more attractive men in my entire life. Except I think maybe when I was in Italy or Greece. Greece.

SPEAKER_00

I was gonna say Greece, probably.

SPEAKER_03

I I would argue that it was Italy, but New York City was constantly, constantly attractive men everywhere.

SPEAKER_00

I feel like Spain is like that too.

SPEAKER_03

Can't wait. Good for me. Antonio is probably like Amanda.

SPEAKER_00

I'm sure there's gonna be so many people. Many, many, many beautiful people to look at.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. So it was it was funny, but I was like, oh my gosh. I was there with Antonio and we had so much fun. It was a a trip for work, and they just spoil us. We were on a cruise around the um Tower of Liberty and just Yeah, Statue of Liberty. Statue of Liberty. I don't know why I said tower, but yeah, it was beautiful. Um, but I would just say Times Square was just I was overstimulated and people were constantly trying to get your attention for whatever they were selling it. I was just it was too much for me. Um that's over that was overhyped for me. What about you?

SPEAKER_00

Probably France.

SPEAKER_03

I've heard Paris.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, not not yeah, not like France, France, but Paris.

SPEAKER_03

I've heard Paris is really overrated.

SPEAKER_00

Paris is so cool. I heard it's dirty. Um the Eiffel Tower is cool. The Louvre was in Paris, I believe. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. Um those things were awesome. Like Paris was cool. The the crepes, amazing. Yeah. The pastries in Europe are the the culture there a bit rude. Yeah. But it's the district we were staying in was hyper sexualized. Like there were a lot of strip clubs and stuff that we were at. I think we picked a weird hotel. We were staying in Airbnbs everywhere, I don't know. Yeah. And then it was very dirty. Like when you walked along the river, it was just like it smelled like urine everywhere you went. So like that was also a bit not cool. Yeah. Yeah. But I didn't dislike Paris. I would just say I've seen it, saw Notre Dame, saw the Eiffel Tower, went to the Louvre, saw the river, did the boat cruise, ate the crepes. I'm good.

SPEAKER_03

You experienced it. Yeah. The south of France is a completely different experience. Okay. It's so beautiful. Yeah. So beautiful. I mean, the I just can't get over the architecture that you're right by the ocean. It is all in Italy. In mountains. Yeah. A lot I mean, yeah, it would be the same. Um Switzerland. An underrated place. Oh. Is Hungary. Oh. I was we went there for a Formula One race. It was beautiful. And we took scooters everywhere. Uh-huh. And we almost got ran over so many times. But the people were so nice. We met some people that, you know, we never we made connections with people that we never would have otherwise. Yeah. And yeah, the food was so fun and different. And there were just there was so much to see and just a lot of culture to experience. Yeah. I really felt like I was one with them instead of being a tourist. Yeah. It was a lot of fun. It was just beautiful too. Yeah. Yeah. Good to know. Yeah. Maybe I'll go there. Yeah. I also hear Singapore is beautiful. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I've heard that as well. I haven't been to Singapore either.

SPEAKER_03

Antonio went and he was like, we have to go.

SPEAKER_00

He also likes Dubai. Yeah. My goal, like when we did our trip to Europe, we had a part one and a part two planned. So we were gonna fly from Europe and we were gonna fly over to um Australia, Singapore, and New Zealand. Oh, that'd be neat. That was the plan was to spend like three months over there. So six months in Europe, three months over there. But I got pregnant in Italy. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I got pregnant in Europe when I was 20. And uh that story crazy. But it's funny. So I came home, we came home because I was uh like three or four months pregnant. Interesting. And I was like, we should go home. Yeah. Yeah, I don't blame you. So we had no money saved, and we had just been like backpacking Europe and um accidentally got pregnant. So surprise Roman. Roman. We have a Roman, our Italian baby.

SPEAKER_03

I that's cute. Um my grandparents, like I said, have traveled all over the world and they said their favorite place is New Zealand.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah. And they I want to go somewhere.

SPEAKER_03

I've literally been everywhere. So my grandfather was sending my mom suggestions on New Zealand and you know, talking about going, and she's like, You should go with me, but he doesn't my grandmother won't travel anymore. Oh so um yeah, like don't wait to travel. Does your mom's uh boyfriend travel? Yeah, she just went to Italy with him.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, with him, okay. Yeah, and my brother and his wife. Wow. That's so neat. I definitely want to go to New Zealand. Um, that's high on my list. I think underrated places as well would be um Switzerland. So, like the Swiss Alps, you can take a train through the Alps. The Switzerland and Germany share like a border, you know? Yeah. And there's like a big lake in between. Yeah. You can actually ferry across the lake. Yeah. So my kids just went there.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Yeah. Did they ferry across the lake? Yeah, well, they sent me pictures. It was beautiful. They took trains, like it's gorgeous. Wow.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you can ferry across the lake over to Germany and like have some German beer for the day and some.

SPEAKER_03

I want to go to Germany. Yeah, Germany's just at least for the beer. German fest. Yes. Love to do that. Yes. Yeah. So I'm fest.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I knew what you meant.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Got you. I I think people are following my words. I would I I think that's like not talked about enough. How incredible like a Switzerland-Germany trip is. Also, Europe is kind of like the United States. Europe has all these different countries, but the countries are essentially states. They're not that big. It's not hard to get from one to the other. You drive to them trains, planes, ferries, buses, like transportation over there is is just in general much easier. They've got it down.

SPEAKER_03

They do. And they also extend vacations a lot longer for employees. So you literally go on like a month vacation.

SPEAKER_00

In Switzerland, when you have a baby, you get two years paid maternity leave, and the man gets a year of paid paternity leave.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00

It's perfect over there. It is perfect. It's perfect.

SPEAKER_03

I would just have lots of babies. Sweden was beautiful too. Yeah. Like one of my most memorable moments was Sweden, being in Sweden. And I remember having my first beer over there because I was 16. You can drink over there. Actually, no, that was in Belgium. I had my first beer. Yeah. So were you like tipsy? I no, I doubt it. I don't think so. I was with my grandparents, so I was being highly responsible.

unknown

That's cute.

SPEAKER_03

But I could drink over there, so they let me. Um, but no, I I don't think I got drunk. And yeah, I think that Sweden was just uh we stayed with a a family over there. Yeah. That's my grandparents had friends from all over the world. Yeah. And we stayed with them, and it was really cool because we experienced the darkness even during the day. Yeah. Because it was just like the time was so I don't even know how to explain it. It was like midday and it was bull pitch black outside. That's crazy. But then at night it would be really light. It was crazy. But yeah, it was a really cool experience and it was beautiful over there. Very beautiful.

SPEAKER_00

What is your favorite uh state in the United States to travel to?

SPEAKER_03

The Redwoods.

SPEAKER_00

California. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But I'm I love nature. I love it. Love it so much. I I can't think of a better place.

SPEAKER_00

I also love the Redwoods. I would say for me, Arizona is way up there. Sedona, Grand Canyon. I've been to Arizona like 10 times. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. I also frequent Sacatuck, Michigan.

SPEAKER_03

You love okay. Underrated is Michigan. Very underrated is Michigan. If our Midwest people are listening, plan a trip this summer to Michigan. It's not that expensive. You can drive. Your kids will love it. It's like the it feels like the ocean, but it's funny. It feels like the ocean. It's so beautiful. Yeah, I'm afraid. Your kids will love it. It's so much fun.

SPEAKER_00

But my ultimate favorite place that I've been to in the US to date is Jekyll Island, Georgia. Interesting. It's like a very non-commercialized beach, and there's so much.

SPEAKER_03

The Federal Reserve was created.

SPEAKER_00

Really? Yeah. Well, there's so much wildlife. Uh-huh. They have sea turtle like um sanctuaries. Huh. So you can like go see the sea turtles. They have the beautiful, like um, you know, the trees that have a longows? No, they're willows. They're mossy oaks. Oh, yeah. Tons of mossy oaks everywhere. It's just so magical. It is. It's not very inhabited. It's like not uninhabited, but it's not super habited. It's like not too many people.

SPEAKER_03

That's why the wives people went there to get away to create the Federal Reserve. It's there's a book called Jekyll Island on it.

SPEAKER_00

I did not know that. But I love Jekyll Island, Georgia, and it is definitely one of my top three places in the U.S.

SPEAKER_03

I will have to check that out. I've been several. That's really cool. Um, not in the US, but Canada is Banff. It is literally one of my just favorite places. I've heard this. Legend so the beauty. Beautiful. You know, if I had to put background on my computer, it would probably be Banf. That was my ex-husband's favorite place in the world, too. He used to go in the summers. When I went, it was the winter, still incredibly beautiful, but I would love to go in the summer. Ironically, a couple of years ago, I did this list of the places that I wanted to travel.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Do you remember me telling you this? And it was like I had no, I had no idea that I was going to any of these places, but I did a vision board and I put three places down. I put Italy, the Redwoods, and Banff. I ended up going to those three in order, not knowing that that was ever going to happen. And yeah, it it happened. I it was just like crazy. Like one of it was an a trip that for work that Antonio and I were like, let's go to Italy while we're heading over to Greece. The other one was we had a personal development conference and it was near Banff. So we just ended up going over there. And the Redwoods, you know, we planned on a whim.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, just be if you're thinking about where you want to go in the world, create a vision board.

SPEAKER_00

Be spontaneous too.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, you do have to be spontaneous.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Like I go to Sagatuck every time I go through a breakup. You do? It's just like my little place. I get I I when I break up with someone, I need to get away from all the mess of it. Normally I want to like get my head clear. I go to Sagatuck, I stare at the water. I love the culture there. I don't know, the food. I always go like at brunch and sit at a table outside all day and drink mimosas and cry. And it's just the best.

SPEAKER_03

And you go alone and you're like secluded. It cracks me up because you're such a people person that it's interesting that one of the things that you do after a breakup is go isolate yourself.

SPEAKER_00

Well, it's actually really hard for me. Yeah. It's not natural. Yeah. Because I I want to, but I also don't want to burden anyone. So I think it's my way of like getting through some of that hardness without making everyone around me feel it too.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I think we need to do an episode on breakups. We're gonna do that next. Yeah, I think that's a great idea because when I was going through my breakup, that's not what I did, but I did isolate myself for a little bit. But um, there wasn't a whole lot of help out there on how to navigate it.

unknown

No.

SPEAKER_03

Because you're literally experiencing the death of someone, it feels like. So I think that'd be a really good, good episode to discuss for our listeners who have maybe experienced it or are experiencing it, or yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, breakups are so hard. Um but okay, so on travel, I have two more questions. Yeah. What is the craziest thing that you have ever eaten on an international trip? Have you eaten anything crazy?

SPEAKER_03

I'm literally, no. I mean, no, I'm not. Listen, I'm not a foodie, guys. I wish I was. I could literally drink every single meal. I would much rather drink than eat. I don't enjoy eating.

SPEAKER_00

Uh, not me. I love it.

SPEAKER_03

I know, I know. I hate I'm a social eater, but there I don't know why I've like not had anything crazy because I guess I'm just not very adventurous when it comes to food because I just don't care. I feel you could survive on like chicken, rice and sand. I could, because I don't give two shits. Um but I love drinking beer and I love beer and like chips and stuff like that. But yeah, anyway, um, nothing crazy. I live vicariously through other people who eat crazy stuff, like Antonio when we did that one episode and I was showing you that weird creature he was eating. I wouldn't, I wouldn't do that. No. What about you?

SPEAKER_00

Um, I have a couple of crazy food stories. I mean, there's just like the typical things, like you order fish and chips in Ireland and it's like a whole fish on the bone. I did that and I couldn't eat it. Yeah, and you're like, you're like, oh, it's actually a whole fish. Yeah. Like it's kind of weird. Um, you know, something weird.

SPEAKER_03

You are a savage when you eat a fish like that. Like it's no I don't know. Yeah, it's gross. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Uh, but so when I was in Ecuador, this church invited our group, our missions trip group that was in Ecuador, to like a dinner. And this church was really poor, very poor church. And it was actually uh out in the woods, it was the Quechua people. They're like a tribe. They actually don't speak Spanish, they speak Quechua. And um it's fascinating. So we went to this tribal church and they wanted to feed the Americans a delicacy, so they spent their money on guinea pigs for us to eat. Interesting. So before dinner, we were playing with guinea pigs. I was playing with the kids with guinea pigs. Yeah. Yep. And I was like, oh, this is so cute. They have like guinea pigs running around on their dirt floors. Like, I was just playing with these guinea pigs, and then these ladies came down from the kitchen. You can imagine, like, they they all look the same. They're in like ro like, you know, like the aprons and the long dresses, like very modest. Their hair's all tied back. They have on like, you know, bonnets. They come down, they like gather up the guinea pigs and they put them in this like sack. Oh, they take they take them away. And I was like, what are they, you know, nobody speaks English, though. So I'm like, what are they doing with the guinea pigs? We go upstairs to have dinner later. Dinner's at this like long table upstairs right by the kitchen in this church, and they serve us guinea pig. Yeah. Did you eat it? I did. I had to. The youth pastor looked at me and he was like, You have to eat it. Like, this is a delicacy. In Ecuador, it's expensive. And this church didn't have any money. So I did eat as much as I possibly could because it would have been so disrespectful. Oh no. If I hadn't eaten the guinea pig. So I did, and then the other Ecuadorians at the table though were like watching me pick at it, and you could tell like they really wanted to eat my guinea pig because they love it there. So I actually ended up giving what was left of it to the guy sitting too to my left. His name is Daniel. I gave him the guinea pig, and he thank God he ate the rest of it for me.

SPEAKER_03

So oh my gosh. Yeah, there's some there is something to be said about um when you're in a culture, you feeling um uh like you have to eat something. Like Antonio when he went to Singapore. There they went somewhere where they had like chicken gizzards and hearts and you know, all these weird organs, and he it was a delicacy, so he was like, I have to eat this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, in Belize, like they eat ceviche, so like raw fish, salsa. I ate that a lot. Like cevi ceviche. Yeah, I ate that for the first time in Belize. And in um, oh, yeah, in Vietnam, they they eat a lot of weird seafood. And I tried just about everything.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, you want to hear something weird that I ate when I was younger?

SPEAKER_00

Sure.

SPEAKER_03

Frog legs.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, people eat.

SPEAKER_03

Which is like so normal around here, but other people would be like, ew, my dad, my dad likes those.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03

My we had wild game feasts, and they would bring together together all this wild game. It was weird.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, frog legs kind of taste like chicken. They do taste like chicken. They're pretty good. I know, it's weird. Yeah. But no, thank you.

SPEAKER_03

Not anymore. As an adult, I think I've just become grossed out by things.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. What was your last question? Okay. Well, there's so many, but um, I think we'll do one more. Ooh, okay. Um, okay, two. Can we do two? Yeah, of course. Okay. Have you ever experienced like major culture shock or homesickness?

SPEAKER_02

My culture shock was in Mexico when we volunteered for those kids.

SPEAKER_03

And just seeing the the the poverty of it. Um, I'm sure there's far worse poverty, but that was uh a bit of a culture shock. Um, every time I'm in Europe, I do get a little homesick for the food. Yeah. Just like normalcy routine. Yeah. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I remember being in Europe uh for six months and pregnant. Yeah. Like food cravings and stuff. Yeah. And I was in Greece and I would always go to McDonald's. I was like, when we were in Greece, I was like, I just need McDonald's again today. Like I just need McDonald's. Was it different over there though? Yes. It wasn't the same, but yeah. It still like was somewhat normal. Yeah. But I remember feeling that way in Europe, like really homesick, really missing the food. Um yeah. Yeah. Okay. And um my gosh, there's so many good questions. Okay. What's something you learned about yourself from travel?

SPEAKER_03

Okay, I have this moment. I think I've maybe shared it before, actually, though. Okay. But it was a foundational moment for myself when I was dating. Okay. And I was on this trip for work all by myself. Not all by myself. I didn't have a partner with me. Everybody else had a partner. I had my mother with me. And it was a very formal evening, and we got back, and I was just like, I just really am sad that I don't get to experience this with a partner. Yeah. You know, I I was happy, but I was ready for that next step. But at that point, I was like, you know what? I am happy by myself. I am happy with who I am, with who I've become. I'm really proud of myself. So in that moment, I was like, even if I don't find someone, I'm happy with myself. Yeah. And this is when we are in Monte Carlo, and I was in the Grand Hotel, which was the most expensive, beautiful hotel I've ever stayed at in my entire life. And I was just, it was a it was a moment of reflection, of self-awareness that I almost needed to be in a different environment to really experience it. Yeah. What about you?

SPEAKER_00

Um I've traveled a lot and for long periods of time, like six months in Europe, three months in Ecuador, you know, two and a half weeks in Vietnam. Like I've done like longer trips and every time I really miss home. Like And I think that says something about me, if if if that makes sense. Like I like my culture. And I think it's easy to like romanticize other places and like I think it's great to experience them.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But I think the thing that I've learned is that every place has its problems and every place has crime and every place has poverty and every place has humans, like the human condition that they all do. Except for maybe Switzerland.

SPEAKER_03

Well, Singapore apparently Singapore has a very low crime rate too.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, Switzerland's like that as well. But most places is really an appreciation of my home and a desire to make it better and like a vision for what it could be. Oh, I love that. So, like rose-colored glasses, I guess, for my my place. The things that I do miss, it gives me gratitude for the people I know, the relationships that I have, even the complexity of this place that we live. And it is complex here. Um I think it it it helped me. I think my travel and mission trips and poverty experiences are a big part of why I'm on the entrepreneurial path that I'm on of renovating properties, making the town that I live in better. So cool nonprofit work. I think they directly correlate. I love that. I don't think there would be me without the travel.

SPEAKER_03

That really shaped you.

SPEAKER_00

Really, really did.

SPEAKER_03

That's so cool. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree it shaped me as well, but differently. Mm-hmm. In a different way, different places, but yeah, get out of your own environment and see life through a different lens. And I think it really changes your perspective.

SPEAKER_00

Mm-hmm. I think so too. And I recommend even if it's like you're going to turkey run and camping for the weekend, you don't have a lot of money, but like getting out of your environment and seeing things and seeing different people, it always reminds me that it's really easy to feel like what's going on in your little town is so big and so like dramatic or whatever. Whenever I travel, I realize like the world is so big. There's so many people, there's so much opportunity, um, perspective. So much perspective.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. That's good. Yeah. Well, thank you guys. Thanks for listening. Yeah. I think that was great. Tune in next week. We'll we'll talk about how to get through a breakup. Uh, yes. And it's not easy.

SPEAKER_03

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unknown

Yeah.

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SPEAKER_00

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